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F
A
A
Yes,
all
right,
it's
time
for
the
quasi-judicial
announcement
and
the
swearing
of
speakers
can
we
have
that.
Please.
G
This
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
where
the
planning
and
zoning
board
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
G
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competence,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
G
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
Are
there
any
members
of
the
board
wishing
to
disclose
any
ex
parte
communications
or
conflicts
of
interest
this
evening.
C
D
G
Okay,
then,
would
the
approval
of
this
application
provide
you
with
any
type
of
non-monetary
gain
in
any
way
that
you
can
see.
C
H
G
I
I
Okay.
This
is
an
application
for
a
financial
institution
in
neighborhood
business,
which
is
a
use
allowed
by
right
in
that
district.
This
is
for
3327
square
feet
of
gross
floor
area
and
parking.
Let
me
see:
what's
going,
okay,
the
site
is
on
the
southeast
corner
of
mirrors
in
south
pinellas.
Here's,
the
winn-dixie
plaza.
I
carry
apartments
manatee
plaza,
so
this
is
that
it's
really
situated
as
an
out
parcel,
even
though
it's
under
separate
ownership,
it
does
share
facilities
with
the
winn-dixie
plaza.
I
I
Allowance
for
connection
will
look
like,
but
but
I
would
imagine
that
would
be
one
of
the
items
they
would
deal
with.
There
are
several
lanes
to
cross
here
three
lanes
that
you
would
have
to
try
to
cross
to
take
a
left,
so
I
don't
think
anybody
would
even
attempt
it,
but
it's
very
close
to
the
intersection.
I
Fortunately,
again
you
have
a
lot
of
access
over
here.
People
do
use
this
mirrors
access
a
lot.
I
know,
because
you
can't
really
take
a
left
into
the
winn-dixie
if
you're
trying
to
go
there,
so
people
do
kind
of
learn
that
and
know
they
can
take
this
access
to
get
into
the
winn-dixie
and
again
that's
going
to
be
connected
to
the
bank.
The
other
thing
we
had
we
had
requested
with
this
sidewalk
that
that
be
connected
to
this.
I
This
is
a
crosswalk
landing
on
south
pinellas
when
d.o.t
redid
that
whole
intersection,
they
upgraded
that
a
little
bit
so
were
asking-
and
I
would
imagine
the
applicant
needs
permission
from
d.o.t,
but
we're
asking
that
this
sidewalk
be
connected
here.
It's
already
shown
to
be
connected
across
smears.
I
I
The
again
the
financial
institution
uses
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan,
the
neighborhood
business
and
the
commercial
limited
categories
do
contemplate
these
types
of
uses,
as
we
saw,
this
is
a
pretty
busy
area
of
mixed
uses.
This
is
right
across
just
south
of
the
city's
activity
center
community
redevelopment
center.
So.
I
I
This
is
a
rendering
from
the
applicant
of
what
the
bank
will
look
like,
and
staff
is
recommending
approval
with
six
conditions.
The
first
is
to
go
ahead
and
address
that
prevention
of
the
left-hand
turning
movement.
The
second
is
to
provide
that
sidewalk
connection.
The
third
would
be
to
provide
an
additional
detail
for
the
on-site
lighting.
I
H
Yeah
the
entrance
to
on
on
to
pinellas
is
that
there's
one
error
already?
Is
it
going
to
be
the
same
one?
Are
we
talking
about
building
another
one,
it'll
be
the.
C
I
I
C
C
I
have
another
question
and
maybe
it's
and
then
unless
things
have
changed,
I
don't
know.
If
you
remember,
I
think
it's.
I
think
it's
anytime
fitness
right
now
where
they
were
required
to
build
to
the
to
the
front
edge
of
the
road
alter
19..
C
E
I
E
How
far
is
that
entrance
point,
the
one
on
alternate
19?
How?
How
close
is
that
to
the
to
the
light.
E
E
And
if
there's
already
a
break
in
the
the
winn-dixie
parking
lot,
why
couldn't
that
be
used
as
the
in
and
out
point
for
that
as
well
or
is
that.
I
We
could
ask
the
applicant,
if
they're
they're
willing
to
do
that,
so
that
would
necessitate
someone
from
the
bank
using
the
bank
would
would
need
to
go
through
the
winn-dixie
parking
lot
to
take
a
right
or
or
a
left.
I
guess
onto.
C
C
J
I
I
I
don't
see
that
since
it's
sharing
drainage,
I
don't
see
that
it
would
ever
separate
from
the
winn-dixie,
but
you
know
if
they
did
they'd
have
to
deal
with
the
drainage.
Somehow
I
I
don't
see
any
issue
really
with
allowing
that
access
as
their
own
access
to
that
person.
F
So
the
I'm
going
to
refer
to
this
as
the
marez
development
project,
which
was
a
grand
master
plan
project
at
some
point
in
the
past
before
my
time
that
included
the
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
the
apartment
development.
That's
south
of
that
when
that
development
agreement
was
struck,
was
there
any
designation
of
what
might
be
placed
on
these
parcels
or
any
restrictions
or
agreements?
Saying
we're
going
to
put
this
and
that
or
it's
going
to
be
a
certain
type
of
retail
bear
with
me?
F
Is
that
typically,
sometimes,
when
these
development
agreements
are
struck,
the
planner
at
that
time
might
be
looking
for
a
certain
type
of
street
curb
appeal
and
I'm
just
curious
if
there
was
and
if
there
wasn't,
because
if
I
may
be
so
bold
and
old-fashioned
bank
with
an
old-fashioned
drive-through,
that's
showing
12
cars
is
really
not
current
with
what
is
going
on
in
planning
and
development
right
now
so
question
number
one:
was
there
a
development
agreement
that
showed
what
was
going
to
be
on
this
parcel
or
what
might
be
ideal
for
this
out
parcel?
F
I
Yeah
there
there
was
a
a
master
plan,
as
you
mentioned,
with
a
specific
plan
for
development
which
which
this
was
to
be
a
retail
center.
I
don't
know
that
the
very,
very
specific
uses
of
each
retail
were
identified.
The
grocery
store
is
obviously
one,
as
you
may
be
aware,
this
this
parcel
did
develop
and
separated
from
the
apartments.
I
I
mean
these
these
parcels
this
particular
parcel
that
we're
talking
about
tonight
then
was
rezoned
to
neighborhood
business
and
I
believe
at
the
time
it
was
owned
by
regions
bank
gary
mainu
and
know
something
a
little
bit
more
about
that,
and
so
the
expectation
that
was
done
in
2017
pretty
recently.
I
So
I
think
the
expectation,
then
the
review
of
the
rezoning
in
the
context
of
of
that
whole
original
development
was
that
this
would
be
a
bank
at
this
at
the
rezoning
stage.
I
don't
know
what
the
specific
you
know
use
may
have
been
called
out
in
the
original
development
agreement
and
master
plan.
I'd
have
to
go
back
and
research
them.
F
I
A
All
right
would
the
applicant
like
to
make
a
presentation.
K
K
K
K
K
In
most
instances,
a
right
out,
you're
you're,
exiting
into
a
right
turn
lane,
and
you
really
don't
go
anywhere
except
you
go
back
on
the
mirrors
again,
so
we
could
either
make
it
just
a
write-in
or
just
let
people
figure
it
out
for
themselves
that
you
know
right
out,
isn't
going
to
get
you
anywhere
unless
you
want
to
go
on
the
mirrors
and
go
right,
but
be
willing
to
do
that.
No,
no
problem!
As
far
as
the
sidewalk
connection
same
thing,
we
we
already
have
a
handicap
ramp
that
goes
down
the
mirrors.
K
K
K
C
So
so
just
so,
I
understand
your
presentation
if
the
you
know,
because
they're
so
there's
several
access
points
already
in
the
winn-dixie
parking
lot.
So
you
would
be
amenable
and
on
the
record
of
of
saying
that
that
you
would
agree
that
a
right
turn
only
in
you
would
find
acceptable
as
opposed
to
an
exit
out
of
onto
alternate
well.
K
And
absolutely
no
left,
there's
no
chance.
You're
left
left
out.
This
has
it's
a
double
yellow
line,
just
as
there's
no
left
in
no
left
out.
C
But
if
you're,
if
you're,
taking
a
ride
out,
you're,
actually
taking
a
ride
on
to
a
turn
to
a
right
turn
lane
only
yeah,
there's
already
an
access
point
onto
mirrors.
So
logically,
you
know
you're
driving
in
a
circle.
If
you
have
to
take
a
ride
out
of
the
bank
and
write
on
the
mirrors,
where
you
could
just.
A
Seeing
none
I'll
entertain
a
motion
I'll.
C
I'll
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
applicant,
with
the
only
caveat
is
that
the
access
point
from
altar
to
19,
be
it
right
turn
lane
in
only
I.
A
F
Do
we
have
discussion?
Please
help
me.
I
failed
to
follow
the
the
amendment
to
the
motion
on
the
only
right
turn
in
help
me.
Okay,
I'm
missing
that
coming.
C
F
C
That's
if
that
is
an
exit,
then
somebody
can
cross.
You
know
take
a
chance
to
cross
three
line.
Three
lanes
of
traffic.
C
Over
yes,
so
so,
but
see
the
thing
is
there
is
an
access
point
from
the
bank.
If
you
wanted
to
go
left,
you
could
go
to
mirrors.
Take
the
left
at
the
light.
You
could
go
straight
down
mirrors
at
the
light
so
or
you
could
go
on
the
mirrors
and
take
a
right
or
you
could
go
to
the
wendixty
parking
lot
and
exit
out.
So
there's
a
lot,
a
lot
of
availability
to
get
onto
the
mirrors.
If
you
wanted
to
go
different
directions.
C
C
C
C
J
F
A
F
F
I
All
right,
I'm
gonna,
run
through
kind
of
a
second
in
your
training
series
that
we're
doing
try
to
make
this
quick
and
this
this
this
one's
going
to
be
a
little
bit
more,
I
don't
know,
maybe
a
little
more
kind
of
mundane
than
the
last
one,
but
it's
it's
getting
into
your
procedures
and
not
your
procedures,
mostly
your
applications
and
your
duties
and
to
remember
the
reason
we're
doing
this
we're
trying
to
do
kind
of
a
review
over
our
review.
I
This
is
for
new
and
existing
members
refresher
for
existing
members
to
kind
of
go
over.
You
know
what
your
duties
are.
What
the
context
of
what
you
do
is
to
help
you
do
your
jobs
better.
So
last
time
we
went
over
florida,
growth
management
framework
and
some
of
that
history
and
this
time,
and
if
you
remember,
we
ended
up
with
the
the
fact
that
you
are
the
local
planning
agency
designated
under
chapter
163
of
florida
statutes
and
those
were
some
of
the
tasks
that
florida
statutes
wants
you
to
do.
I
Our
code
does
designate
you
as
the
local
planning
agency
you're
the
planning
and
zoning
board,
and
that
section
of
code
provides
a
lot
of
things.
Rules
procedure
that
you
record
minutes
all
those
types
of
things,
but
it
also
provides
a
list
of
duties
that
sound
a
lot
like
chapter
163,
so
you've
got
recommending
on
the
comprehensive
plan
on
the
land
development
code
amendments
and
then
it's
got
some
more
stuff
right.
So
in
tarpon
springs,
you
look
at
zoning
zoning
map
amendments
conditional
uses
and
site
plans.
I
That's
what
it
says
in
that
section
of
code.
You
actually
look
at
a
couple
more
things
than
what
that
list
has
and
we'll
we'll
see
that
in
a
minute-
and
it
also
says
you
conduct
special
planning
studies
now
that
could
be
anything
from
you
all
asked,
for
example,
for
a
workshop
on
short-term
rentals,
the
board
of
commissioners
when
they
had
those
short-term
rentals
before
them
said
hey.
That
sounds
like
a
good
idea.
They
should,
let's
have
them,
do
a
workshop
which
we
will
be
working
up
and
bringing
to
you.
I
Zoning
map
amendments
plan
developments,
and
that
would
be
at
the
preliminary
stage
annexations.
That
would
be
voluntary
conditional
uses,
development
agreements,
site
plans
and
subdivisions
which,
in
most
other
places,
are
at
your.
What
you
guys
review
here
would
be
the
preliminary
plat
level
in
tarpon
springs
the
the
preliminary
whoops
it
went
away.
Okay,
preliminary
plaque
is
reviewed
as
a
site
plan.
So
when
you
get
something
that
says
site
plan,
it
actually
includes
a
preliminary
plan.
If
it's
going
to
be
blood.
I
All
right
there's
a
lot
of
things.
You
don't
see
final
plan
developments,
final
plats,
vacations
of
right
of
ways
and
easements
those
go
directly
to
the
board
variances
and
appeals
go
to
the
board
of
adjustment.
Historic
district
review
goes
to
the
heritage,
preservation
board
and
then
there's
a
lot
of
administrative
approvals.
I
put,
I
think,
what
all
of
them
are
here,
but
there's
a
lot
of
other
things
that
go
through
the
office
that
that
have
to
do
with
planning
and
land
use
that
that
you
all
don't
look
at.
I
So
you're
first
just
going
through
some
of
the
standards
of
review
for
your
comprehensive
plan
amendments.
I
That
is
one
thing
that
that
you
all
are
tasked
with
reviewing
and
recommending
to
the
board,
both
under
statutes
and
in
our
code
just
reviewing
from
last
time
what
a
comprehensive
plan
is.
We
remember.
That's
our
public
policy
guide
for
future
development
includes
goals,
objectives
and
policies,
and
I
gave
you
the
link
to
the
comprehensive
plan.
I
As
I
mentioned
last
time,
ours
is
organized
with
all
that
data
and
analysis
packed
in
each
element.
We
have
10
elements
and
then
there
are
goals,
objectives
and
policies
that
follow
that
and
just
as
an
aside,
the
board
of
commissioners
has
approved
a
consultant
selection
for
the
comprehensive
plan
we'll
be
bringing
a
con.
I
You
know
consultant
contract
back
to
them,
so
hopefully
we'll
be
getting
started
very
soon.
On
updating
the
plan
and
one
of
the
things
we're
already
looking
at
is
reorganizing
how
it
looks
so
it's
a
little
easier
or
a
lot
easier
to
use,
we're
hoping
so
goals
objectives
policies
we
went
over,
give
you
the
example.
You
know
those
would
be
not
directly
regulatory,
but
they
would
guide
your
regulations.
I
They
might
be
projects,
they
might
be
programs,
so
you
might
have
a
goal
that
says
to
increase
the
biodiversity
and
integrity
of
natural
systems
in
the
city,
and
one
of
your
objectives
might
be
to
eradicate
brazilian
pepper
due
to
its
high
impact
on
natural
systems.
So
you
you
would
your
comp
plant
says
we
want
to
do
this.
Here's
our
rationale!
Here's
why
we
want
to
do
it,
because
when
you
go
to
rate
regulations
you
want
to
have
that
context,
so
you
might
have
a
policy
that
says,
require
eradication
of
brazilian
pepper
for
new
development.
I
Well,
that
that's
a
guidance
to
right
of
regulation.
So
we
do
have
a
requirement
to
remove
brazilian
pepper.
We
don't
require
mitigation
for
those
trees.
You
know
as
an
incentive
to
remove
it,
so
that
would
be
a
regulation.
He
might
have
a
policy
that
says,
provide
education
for
everybody
else.
It's
existing
on
how
to
kill
brazilian
pepper
and
remove
it
and
how
to
treat
it
with
herbicide
educational
program.
That's
a
program,
then
you
might
have
a
project
that
says:
hey
we're
going
to
remove
all
the
brazilian
pepper
from
city
lands
over
time.
I
So
the
so
when
you're
looking
at
these
amendments,
staff
should
provide
you
with
guidance
as
to
the
goals,
objectives
and
policies
that
you're
amending
and
also
the
context
other
elements
that
are
affected
or
related
to
those
and
then
we
you
might
have
for
especially
future
land
use
map.
I
Most
often
here
in
tarpon,
you've
got
city
initiated
texan
map
amendments
and
land
owner
initiated
ones.
The
text,
usually
you
get
city
staff
initiated
or
city
or
board
of
commissioners,
or
you
know
some
source
here
at
the
city
map
amendments
city
usually
does
not
initiate
those.
The
only
one
I
can
think
of
since
I've
been
here
is
the
anclote
include
isles
subdivision
where
the
residents
asked
the
board
of
commissioners
to
initiate
and
they
did
so
they
they
can
do
that.
I
Most
of
these
are
going
to
be
landowner
and
one
piece
of
land,
but
it's
still
a
legislative
determination.
So
you're
still
to
look
at
you
know.
How
does
this
affect
the
rest
of
the?
I
want
to
change
my
industrial
piece
to
a
residential.
Well,
do
we
have
enough
industrial
in
the
city?
Are
we
still
good?
You
know
those
kind
of
global
decisions,
comprehensive
plan
based
decisions
and
context-
are
what
you
use
legislatively
to
judge
that
one
piece
of
land,
for
example,
and
then
we
have
land
development
code
amendments
again.
I
Those
are
legislative
and
you
know
what
the
land
development
code
is.
It's
based
on
the
comprehensive
plan
and
it
implements
the
plan.
So
it
identifies
those
regulatory,
specific
regulatory
standards
that
the
plan
spells
out
and
wants
you
to
do.
I
G
I
I'll
give
you
an
example,
so
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
it.
If,
if
florida's
statute
says,
I
must
have
a
level
of
service
and
I
must
apply
concurrency
to
potable
water,
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
adopt
the
standards
say.
We
have
plenty
of
water.
Now
we're
fine
yeah,
we'll
be
okay
with
level
of
service,
but
we're
going
to
throw
out
concurrency
you
can't.
You
can't
do
that.
I
So
that's
kind
of
that
standard,
but
then,
beyond
that,
you
would
be
looking
at
the
rest
of
your
plan
to
make
sure
what
you
recommending
is
consistent
with
the
whole
plan.
The
only
standard
for
the
land
development
code
text.
Amendments
in
indicote
is
consistency
with
the
comp
plan.
So
that's
the
only
written
standard
there
so.
I
So
yeah,
that's
pretty
basic,
so
the
land
development
code
we
said
was
adopted
in
1989
or
no
developed
in
1990
following
the
1989
adoption
of
comp
plan.
Remember
that
was
in
response
to
the
growth
management
act
when
we
had
to
adopt
the
comprehensive
plan
and
when
we're
looking
at
the
comprehensive
plan
basis
for
this
and
and
reviewing
things
we're
taking
it
as
a
whole
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is.
I
For
example,
the
brazilian
pepper
example,
you
might
have
another
part
of
the
cop
plan
where
you
adopted
well:
hey,
we
want,
we
need
trees
around
the
city
for
urban
forest
value,
for
carbon,
sequestering
and
cooling
the
city,
and
all
that,
so
we
can't
cut
down
the
brazilian
pepper,
so
you
have
to
take
it
as
a
whole.
What
is
an
overriding
goal
and
how
can
you
achieve
that
goal?
Well,
yeah.
I
We
can
remove
all
that
brazilian
pepper
from
city
land,
but
we've
got
to
do
it
over
time,
plan
it
and
get
some
more
trees,
some
different
trees
in
there.
So
that
would
be
part
of
that
program.
So
you
would
not
throw
out
your
brazilian
pepper
prohibition
based
on
what
might
be
seen
as
a
conflicting
policy.
I
So
we
just
looked
at
comp
plan
amendments
and
land
development
code,
amendments,
okay,
the
comprehensive
plan
as
a
standard,
so
now
we're
just
using
the
comprehensive
plan
existing
as
a
standard
by
which
to
judge
applications
and
you'll
notice
that
everything
you
look
at.
You
have
to
look
at
the
comprehensive
plan.
Every
every
one
of
these
application
types
has
under
consistency
with
the
comprehensive
plan,
so
zoning
amendments
preliminary
plan
development,
the
voluntary
annexations
conditional
use
development
agreements-
is
something
else.
I
So
one
thing
about
site
plans
and
subdivisions
is
they're
either
for
something
that's
a
you
spy
right
like
we
just
saw
the
comprehensive
plan.
Part's
been
kind
of
vetted
right,
the
comprehensive
plan,
future
land
use
map,
category
category
has
been
designated
and
the
standards
are
already
there
for
a
subdivision
or
site
plan.
It
probably
went
through
another
process
like
a
planned
development,
went
through
a
rezoning,
so
some
of
that
complex
stuff
has
already
been
kind
of
vetted.
I
I
I
Would
come
into
compliance
with
with
the
land
development
code
later,
depending
on
how
they
what
they
built
right,
so
the
uses
you
would
determine
based
on
the
comprehensive
plan
with
the
uses
that
are
in
that
zoning.
I
I
We
haven't
had
a
preliminary
plan
development
here
since
I've
been
here
that
was
just
proposed
on
an
existing
zoning.
It
is
possible,
but
I
have
not
seen
that
so
it's
usually
been
vetted
through
a
rezoning
annexation,
sometimes
you're
gonna
end
up
with
stuff.
That's
non-conforming
same
with
rezoning.
If
somebody
annexes
a
property
built
property
into
the
city
and
some
setback
doesn't
comply,
the
city
can't
accept
that
property
and
recognize
hey,
that's
a
non-conforming
setback,
but
it
it
doesn't
require.
Well.
I
I
Last
time
we
talked
about
terms
adequate
facilities.
Member
is
I've,
got
enough.
Potable
water
to
serve
the
resident,
or
the
example
I
gave
last
time
was
from
my
last
job.
We
had
a
library,
level
of
service,
of
1.5
books
or
items
per
person.
So
do
we
have
adequate
library
facilities
and
then
what's
the
level
of
service?
What's
adequate
1.5
books
per
person?
Concurrency
tells
you
the
1.5
books
has
to
be
there
the
day
the
resident
moved
in
so
libraries
by
the
way
are
not
something
you
usually
apply
concurrency
to,
but
water
sewer,
transportation,
schools.
I
Those
are
normal
things
that
you
apply
concurrency
to
a
little
bit
different
in
pinellas
with
transportation
in
schools.
But
so
you
look
at
those
you
always
ask
staff.
Do
you
have
enough
capacity
for
water
parks
is
something
we've
looked
at
lately,
where
we
have
we're
under
our
below
our
level
of
service
on
many
parks.
So
we've
been
looking
at
that
with
some
of
the
stuff.
That's
come
before
you.
So
those
are.
F
C
I
On
the
water
and
sewer
good
example,
so
that's
what
your
comprehensive
plan
and
capital
improvements
program
addresses
and
every
one
of
those.
If
you
look
into
staff
reports-
and
you
see
what
comes
before
you-
we
get
a
gallons
per
day,
you've
seen
that
utilities
absolutely
positively
will
not.
You
know,
recommend
approval
of
an
application
until
they
get
those
numbers
because
they
track
all
that.
I
J
I
You
know
if
you
wanted
a
general
and
we
could
on
future
applications.
You
know
trying
to
get
a
specific
number
for
every
application
might
be
a
little
tough,
but
we
could
say
yeah
our
you
know,
ro
plant
water
plants,
I
don't
know
60
capacity
or
whatever
it
is.
I
can
get
a
rough
number
from
our
utilities.
Folks.
C
Just
to
follow
up
what
y'all
were
discussing
is
that
ever
a
discussion,
because
when
we
get
the
application,
you
all
have
already
vetted
it
and
you're
either
going
to
recommend
approval
or
not
approval
or
conditional
approval.
So
you
know
we're
not
in
that
discussion
process
during
during
the
application
process.
That
being
said,
are
there
discussions
because
I'm
a
big
recreation
guy?
Are
there
ever
discussions
with
regard
to
you
know
what
what
are
we
doing
with
for
open
space?
What
are
we
doing?
You
know:
how
are
they
contributing?
J
C
C
A
Okay,
is
that
brings
up
a
question
that
I
had
when
that,
when
that
item
came
up
is
in
in
looking
at
some
point
at
amendments
that
the
the
city
commission
would
make
to
the
ordinance
the
appropriate
ordinance
is.
C
I
So
when
you
all
bring
up
certain
concerns
repeatedly
or
something
that
you're
really
interested
in
and
when
the
board
does
that
we
start
to
throw
it
in
I'll.
Give
you
an
example.
You
know
the
application
here
tonight.
We
suggested
that
hey.
This
is
the
gateway
to
the
city.
You
might
want
to
do
something
they're
at
the
front.
I
They
didn't
really
propose
anything.
So
for
better
or
worse,
you
know
that's
going
to
the
board,
but
that
wasn't
really
a
land
development
code
right.
So
we
he
so
staff
can
go
beyond
the
code
and
say
hey
the
board's
concerned
about
landscaping.
You
know
planning
and
zoning
board's
been
bringing
up.
You
know
these
types
of
things
you
might
want
to
address
it
before
the
science
and
light
polls
was
adopted.
I
We
were
telling
everybody
the
board's,
probably
going
to
want
you
to
do
powder-coated,
poles
and
whatever,
and
some
of
them
would
do
some
wouldn't,
but
that's
not
a
land
development
code
right.
So
this
the
staff
tries
to
keep
abreast
of
those
concerns
that
boards
have,
even
if
it's
not
in
the
code
and
get
them
into
future
applications
or
at
least
get
an
applicant
to
address
them.
But.
C
I
Right
but
you
you,
you
don't
set
policy,
but
you
recommend
to
the
board
to
set
policy,
and
I
will
tell
you
the
last
few
meetings.
You
had
some
items
on
tourist
homes
and
you
had
you
know
some
other
items
where
those
concerns
were
expressed
from
you
to
the
board
and
they
you
know
they
picked
up
on
the
concerns
that
that
that
you
had
and
asked
the
applicant
to
address
those.
So
in
fact
good
example,
short-term
rental.
I
We
have
revised
our
short,
our
conditional
use
application
to
say
hey
by
the
way,
give
us
all
this
other
information
in
your
proposal,
how
many
bedrooms,
how
many
people
are
staying
there,
how
many
parking
spaces?
How
big
are
they?
So
you
know
even
okay,
so
none
of
that's
in
the
code.
Technically,
you
know
we
we
don't
we
don't.
We
aren't
real
sticklers
about
just
you
know,
being
very
linear
with
the
code.
I
We
have
that
leeway
right
as
staff
to
kind
of
pick
up
something
we
get
from
you
all
and
and
carry
it
and
go
along
with
it.
So,
like
I
say
it's
an
evolving
process,
and
I
want
to
encourage
you
guys
to
keep
keep
coming
up
with
these
things
and
keep
you
know.
That's
what
you're
here
for
to
give
it
that
look
from
your
perspective
and
from
the
public's
perspective
when
they
do
come,
you
know
and
that
input.
So
we
can.
I
Yeah
and
okay,
so
good
example
of
traffic
and
we'll
talk
about
next
time,
the
bigger
some
of
the
bigger
context.
That's
why
we
have
mobility
standards
instead
of
level
of
service.
That's
why
we
have
a
long-range
transportation
plan
at
the
county.
We
have
dod
five
year
work
program
and
long-range
plan.
C
I
I
J
C
I
C
I
I
A
Regarding
transportation,
I
know
we're
kind
of
off
on
a
tangent
here,
but
I'm
curious
on
some
of
the
some
of
the
bigger
developments
and
I'm
not
sure
at
what
point
it
kicks
in
or
whether
it's
up
to
the
developer.
Of
course
they
get
traffic
engineers
and
do
traffic
studies
and
all
that.
But
how
do
we
review
those
traffic
studies?
I
mean
the
city
doesn't
have
a
staff
traffic
engineer.
I
don't
believe
so.
I
I
Well,
as
you
know,
we
had
recommended
the
right
write
out,
so
you
know
that
that
we
recommended
that
it
be
restricted.
So
you
know-
and
that's
a
good
example.
Y'all
are
talking
about
trc,
so
trc's
job
is
to
determine
that
the
application
is
complete
and
ready
for
processing.
I
Trc
doesn't
make
decisions
on
applications,
they
don't
vote.
Obviously
it's
a
it's.
It's
a
chance
for
an
applicant
to
interact
with
the
entire
city
staff.
It's
almost
like
a
pre-application
meeting
and
then
the
planning
department,
the
planning
staff,
takes
all
that
input
and
you
know
a
lot
of
times.
Yeah.
You
don't
get
anything
much
from
building,
because
there
are
no
building
plans
on
the
table.
It's
just
a
sketch,
so
they'll
say:
hey
it's
in
a
flood
zone
and
I
really
got
nothing
else
to
say
because
I
don't
have
any
building
plants.
I
Planting
is
only
takes
all
that
reviews.
The
comp
plan
reviews
the
code
and
brings
you
a
staff
recommendation
and
staff
report.
We
don't
really
go
through
in
every
single
project
like
this
one.
You
know
using
whatever
300
gallons
a
day
per
water.
So
we
we
put
that
in
the
staff
report,
but
we
don't
for
every
single
thing,
say:
here's
how
much
capacity
is
left,
especially
for
something
that's
a
use
by
right
right,
because
you've
approved
the
zoning
and
I'll
give
you
a
good
example.
You
all
had
a
car
wash
come
before
you.
I
They
were
recycling
water
and
they
finally
resolved
what
their
water
use
would
be,
so
that
utilities
could
know
what
you
know
whether
they
could
serve
that
and
obviously
there
are
controls
on
how
much
water
people
people
use
with
the
fee
structure
and
there's
a
lot
that
plays
into
that
to
to
kind
of
ensure
that
the
capacity
is
there.
But
that's
kind
of
what
trc
does
is
really
interact
with
the
applicant.
I
We
come
back
with
only
with
comments
for
revisions.
We
don't
come
back
with
a
report
that
has
a
full
review
of
a
project,
only
comments
for
revisions.
The
report
that
has
a
full
review
is
the
staff
report
that
comes
to
public
hearing.
I
So
that's
and
we'll
go
through
that
a
little
bit
more
next
time.
If
you
want
and
kind
of
walk
through
that
and
just
hitting
a
couple
of
other
of
your
standards
of
review,
you
all
look
at
compatibility
a
lot.
We
don't
have
a
definition
of
compatibility
in
our
code,
but
just
from
163.
I
States
that
compatibility
means
a
condition
in
which
land
uses
or
conditions
can
co-exist
in
relative
proximity
to
each
other
in
a
stable
fashion.
Over
time
such
that
no
use
or
condition
is
unduly
negative,
negatively
impacted
directly
or
indirectly
by
the
other
use.
So
what
I've
set
up
here
is
for
zoning
amendments.
You
can't
really
place
conditions
conditional
uses,
you
can
place
conditions,
but
you
I
always
like
to.
I
always
get
a
little
bit
nervous
when
planning
and
a
past
planning
and
zoning
commission
I
worked
for,
would
tend
to
do.
This
sometimes
condition
something
to
death.
I
Where
enforceability
now
becomes
a
problem,
so
I'm
going
to
put
a
convenience
store
right
here
on
the
corner.
There
are
houses
nearby,
pretty
close,
the
neighbors,
don't
want
it.
Well,
it's
a
conditional
use.
Well,
let's
condition
it.
Let's
have
the
hours
of
operation
go
no
great,
no
later
than
10
o'clock,
so
now
you've
got
a
something
that
10
years
from
now
will
I
know
that
condition's
there
and
how
do
I
enforcement
force
it?
I
When
am
I
going
to
enforce
it?
There
are
no
code
enforcement
staff
working
right
at
10
o'clock
at
night.
So
now
it's
the
police
department's
problem.
How
do
I
realistically
control
that
so
those
kind
of
things
you
can
condition
something,
but
I'm
always
careful
with
with
what
those
conditions
might
be.
I
And
preliminary
plan
developments,
of
course
you
can
place
conditions
of
approval
on
those
as
well.
Conditional
uses
also
have
two
standards
that
you
see
there.
Two
additional
standards
for
preliminary
plan
developments
have
three
additional
standards.
Seen
there
and
site
plan
subdivision
only
has
one
more
standard
and
that's
building
code
compliance,
because
those
are
either
by
uses
by
right
or
they've,
already
been
through
some
other
process.
Rezoning
preliminary
plan
development
or
some
other
process.
I
And
just
a
quick
review
of
your
legislative
and
quasi-judicial,
you
already
know
those
legislative
is
formulating.
Policy
quasi-judicial
invol
involves
the
application
of
the
policy
to
a
specific
development,
and
I
just
put
that
little
note
in
there,
because
everybody
wonders
where
quasi
judicial
came
from
and
when
growth
management
came
in
and
right
after
that
was
when
I
was
first
hired,
there
was
no
it
wasn't.
It
wasn't
quasi
judicial
until
1993.,
brevard,
county
versus
snyder,
very
famous
and
planning.
I
I
So
so
we
present
what
we
present
our
report
based
on
the
application
and
what
we
know
at
the
time.
Then
you
take
in
you,
come
in.
You
ask
questions.
We
give
you
more
information
you
hear
from
the
applicant,
you
might
get
new
information,
you
hear
from
the
public
and
from
affected
parties,
and
you
might
get
more
information.
I
L
I
L
I
They
are,
but
you
do
have
you
know
some
judgment
calls
to
make.
Compatibility
is
one
if
somebody's
over
their
transportation
peak
hour
trips,
for
example,
and
they
have
to
do
a
transportation
management
plan
and
they
say:
hey,
I'm
going
to
do
this,
I'm
going
to
have
carpooling
I'm
going
to
have
you
know,
bikes
bike
sharing
thing,
I'm
going
to
build
a
bus,
stop
transit,
stop
or
something
like
that.
You
might
say:
well,
we
don't
we
don't
know.
If
that's
enough,
I
mean
staff
might
say
yeah
we
feel
like
that.
I
Is
enough,
and
you
know
you
can
you
can
question
the
applicant
and
question
the
staff
and
come
up
with
your
own
determination
and
findings
based
on
you
know
those
things
that
you
feel
are
are
not
solidly.
You
know
it's
got
to
have
a
five-foot
setback.
That's
pretty
solid
right!
They're
set
back
six
feet.
Well,
yeah
that
complies
if
it's
four
feet.
You
know
staff's
not
going
to
recommend
approval,
but
but
you
know
that
that's
you
know,
that's
a
solid
recommendation.
I
You
can't
you
know
standard,
but
there
are
lots
of
other
things
that
are
not
that
you
know
are
have
some
judgment,
call
and
wiggle
room
in
them
and
that's
why
you.
J
I
C
It
goes
back
to
tourist
homes,
you
know,
how
do
you
deny
one
when
we've
accepted
so
many
you
know,
even
though
so
that
makes
it
it
makes
it
difficult
to
deny
you
know
they
may
be
whether
the
staff
recommends
does
recommend
approval,
or
you
know
if
you
know
to
be
consistent
with
your
prior
rulings.
That's
why.
I
Yeah,
it's
like.
We
tell
our
board
of
adjustment
all
the
time
for
variances
each
application
stands
on
its
own
merits.
You
don't
have
to
approve
something
just
because
you
approve
someone
else
so
so
next
time
we're
gonna
go
through
kind
of
the
process,
a
little
more.
Maybe
that
will
help
and
we're
going
to
kind
of
zoom
out
and
get
some
some
context.
So
you
guys
can
see
kind
of
the
operating
context
we're
in
at
the
county.
We
have
a
another
map
and
plan
that
overlap
overlays
hours.
I
I
For
a
lot
of
stuff
yeah,
so
we'll
look
at
that
and
we'll
look
a
little
bit
at
the
the
other
part
of
forward
pinellas,
which
is
two
parts
countywide
plan
and
the
transportation.
I
Yeah
they
that's
I
mean
I
can.
I
can
give
you
a
little
bit
of
background
on
that
next
time.
They
they
the
regional
planning
councils
and
that
one
in
particular
have
not
been
active
in
land
use
like
they
were
years
ago.
You
may
have
seen
the
legislature
such
as
tried
to
get
rid
of
the
regional
planning
councils
a
couple
three
times
now
they
got
rid
of
one
two
years
ago.
It
was
a
small
one,
but
so
far
the
rest
still
exist.
Tampa
bay,
regional
planning
council
is
very
very
specialized
into.
I
I
think
sea
level
rise
and
sustainability
planning
they
they
really
don't
get
involved.
Ever
since
we
talked
about
growth
management,
remember
being
basically
almost
kind
of
gutted
in
2011.,
one
big
reason
regional
planning
councils
were
set
up
was
to
review
developments
of
regional
impact,
those
of
all
but
gone
away,
so
that
was
their
main
purpose.
They
branched
out
to
other
stuff.
But
since
the
community
planning
act
came
in
and
kind
of
gutted
the
growth
management
act,
they
they've
kind
of
gone
into
the
background.
I
A
I
have
a
kind
of
a
follow-up,
or
maybe
it's
leading
into
our
item.
Number
seven
board
comments
it.
It
appears.
I
guess
that
the
that
there's
a
big
project
coming
to
us
at
the
next
meeting
and
our
meeting's
going
to
be
lengthy,
probably
several
nights.
I
guess
from
the
information
I
saw
kind
of
in
line
with
what
we've
all
just
been
talking
about.
A
I
was
wondering
if,
if
staff
or
or
legal
staff
or
or
whoever
the
appropriate
person
is,
could
provide
us
some
additional
background
information,
maybe
in
in
writing
before
that
big
development
comes
to
us
that
helps
us
to
pinpoint
what
our
purview
is
and
what
would
be
outside
of
our
purview.
In
relation
to
items
like
that,
and
I
was
wondering
if
a
brief
statement
that
explains
some
of
that
might
be
read
at
the
same
time,
as
is
the
quasi-judicial
announcement
to
try
to
make
it
clear
also
to
the
public.
A
I'm
just
trying
to
expedite
it
as
much
as
possible
and
and
and
avoid
hearing
a
lot
of
comments
that
we
have
no
right
to
act
upon.
Okay,
yeah
and.
A
G
I
know-
and
I
will
tell
you
this-
that
is
a
that
has
been
a
decision
of
the
board
in
the
past.
If
this
board
wants
to
let
that
kind
of
stuff
come
in,
then
you
can,
but
it
needs
to
be
uniform
across
all
applications.
So,
just
because
this
application
coming
up
is
a
is
a
hefty
one
doesn't
mean
that
curtailing
public
comment
to
certain
things
shouldn't
be
done
in
other
applications,
so
very.
A
G
To
to
that
point
I
am
happy
to,
and
I
can
certainly
work
with
pat
on
coming
up
with
something
to
say
during
the
quasi-judicial
announcement
of
saying.
These
are
the
things
that
this
board
is
to
consider.
Please
limit
your
comments
to
don't
repeat
other
people's
comments.
If
it's
already
been
said,
it
only
needs
to
be
said
once
and
limiting
it
to,
and
I'm
happy
to
step
in
and
say.
Excuse
me,
I'm
so
sorry,
but
that's
not
relevant
to
this
application,
I'm
okay
to
be
the
bad
guy.
I'm
used
to
it!
G
It's
my
job.
It's,
however,
you
chair
and
the
board
want
to
run
the
meeting.
I
will
also
say
this:
we
were
going
to
bring
it
up,
but
you
have
the
ability
to
limit
public
comment
to
a
time
frame.
Your
rules
of
procedure
say
public
comment
is
four
minutes
per
person
you
can.
They
can
donate
their
time
two
minutes
each,
but
no
more
than
10
minutes.
I.
C
G
Well,
let's
be
clear:
the
first
amendment
is
not
when
you're
talking
about
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
that
technically
there's
no
public
comment
allowed
period.
They
have
to
be
an
affected
party.
I've
been
trying
to
get
this
board
to
do
that
for
years
now,
but
that's
not
how
tarpon
is,
and
I
love
the
way
your
city
works.
C
G
C
C
G
A
You
know
if,
if
everybody's
more
or
less
in
agreement,
I
don't
I
don't
so
much
want
to
cut
people
off
that
are
making
a
comment.
I
mean
I
don't
want
to
appear
to
be
squelching
public
comment,
but
I
would
like
to
have
a
very
clear
statement
up
front
about
what
sort
of
public
comment
is
helpful
and
and
what
is
a
waste
of
everybody's
time
and.
G
You
know
you
do
have
the
ability,
as
the
chair
too,
to
just
say:
look.
We've
run
out
of
time.
I
will
say
when
I
received
the
email
saying
that
an
application
would
take
up
to
three
nights
and
three
meetings.
That's
highly
unusual,
even
in
tarpon
springs
where
you
know,
things
are
heavily
discussed
and
the
public
is
truly
involved,
which
is
just
wonderful,
but
that's
highly
unusual.
There's
a
lot
of
legal
issues
that
I
have
with
having
that
go
on
for
three
nights
as
well.
G
You
don't
you
may
not
have
the
same
compliment
of
the
board
that
becomes
problematic.
So
I
I
think
I
I
like,
where
your
head's
at
I
think
that
there's
a
way
that
we
can
make
it
more
efficient
and
more
effective.
I
certainly
think
that
I
would
defer
to
the
board,
especially
the
chair.
Your
rules
procedure
give
it
to
the
chair
to
determine
whether
or
not
you
want
to
limit
the
time
limit
for
public
comment.
I
think
that's
one
way
to
to.
G
Yeah
and
you
have
the
ability
to
say,
we've
heard
enough-
I
mean
we've
had
applications
before
it
was
drainage,
drainage,
drainage,
drainage,
and
it
was
one
of
those
things
that
said,
you
know
we
appreciate
it.
We've
heard
the
public,
you
guys
have
talked
about
this
area
floods.
We
understand.
If
your
comment
is
about
this
area,
flooding
we've
heard
enough
testimony.
We
don't
need
to
hear
it
anymore.
G
So
here's
the
thing:
if,
if
you're
running
a
true
quasi-judicial
hearing
it
is,
you
have
to
be
an
affected
party,
which
means
you
have
to
have
some
sort
of
pecuniary
interest
or
you
have
to
be
a
resident
or
neighboring
property
owner
in
order
to
even
speak
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing
tarpon.
Does
it
a
little
bit
different,
especially
this
board?
It
is
any
member
of
the
public
is,
is
able
to
speak,
you
don't
limit
it
to
just
affected
parties.
You
you
limit
it
to
whomever
wants
to
talk.
G
D
G
But
if
they
don't,
I
mean
you're
talking
about
an
individual
application
that
needs
to
be
taken
on
its
own,
so
whatever
decisions
you
make
with
regard
about,
whatever
application
comes
before
the
board
or
individual
that
application,
based
on
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing,
unless
you
have
an
exact
identical
application
with
the
exact
same
evidence,
that's
presented,
there's
no
precedent.
That's
set.
A
G
And
we're
getting
into
the
minutia
of
an
actual
application.
What
I'm
saying
is
for
for
a
larger
application
or
something
that's
going
to
be
of
public
import
where
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
people.
These
are
the
types
of
things
that
you
guys
can
do
to
try
and
make
it
more
of
a
efficient
and
effective
meeting.
Yep.
E
E
I
agree
with
the
whatever
the
rules
are
the
four
minutes
up
to
10
minutes
if
you
people
donate,
but
I
think
we're
just
gonna
have
to
in
my
opinion
let
them
talk,
because
I
think
if
you
start
cutting
people
off
in
this
again,
this
is
the
only
deal
we're
probably
going
to
have.
That
is
going
to
be
like
this.
E
G
F
I
think
I
didn't
want
to
overspeak.
I
need
a
little
help,
understanding
you
counselor,
you
said
twice
that
this
board
has
easy
rules
or
real
lenient
rules.
I
guess
I
don't
know
what
those
are
one
and
second,
are
they
the
same
as
the
board
of
commissioners
or
every
other
board,
or
does
this
board
have
unique
standards
about
public
comment
that
I
should
be
aware
of
or
that
are
subject
to
rules
that
we
can
make
right
now
at
this
moment
in
this
board?
I'm
just
curious.
J
G
Okay,
either
way
this
every
board
has
its
own
set
of
rules
and
procedures.
This
board
has
crafted
rules
and
procedures.
It
has
to
go
on
a
meeting
agenda.
It
gets
discussed
in
public
comment,
it
gets
voted
on
and
then
it
gets
drafted
the
rules
and
procedures.
I
I
don't
know
how
staff
handles
it.
When
you
join
the
board,
I
have
a
copy
of
the
rules
and
procedures.
I
believe
it
was
done
by
a
resolution
of
the
board.
G
F
F
G
I
I
Okay,
if
there's
not
any
further
discussion,
just
quick
question
on
that
include
harbor
project
coming
up
at
the
next
meeting
and
you've
got
two
other
items,
so
I
did
hear
from
I
think
two
board
members
under
availability
for
those
three
nights
for
the
week.
If
I
could
hear
from
all
of
you
on
these
dates,
which
are
september
20th
september
21st
and
september
23rd,
that's
a
thursday
whether
or
not
you're
available,
because
we
do
need
to
determine
if
it
were
continued
if
a
quorum
could
be
met
at
a
minimum.
I
I
G
Whoever
is
here,
the
first
night
needs
to
be
here
the
second
night,
because,
if
you're
gonna
can
just
like
when
you
continue
it
to
the
next
month's
meeting,
it's
okay.
If
you
miss
the
meeting,
but
you
have
to
be
able
to
watch
it
and
then
be
able
to
vote
on
it
at
the
next
meeting.
But
it
needs
to
be
the
same
compliment
of
the
board.
So
it
has
to
be
the
same
form
for
for
each
night.
I
So
yeah,
if
the
rest
of
you
could
email
me
and
let
me
know
I
still,
I
need
at
least
four
members
for
those
two
other
nights.
Okay,
thanks.