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From YouTube: Planning and Zoning Board November 21,2022
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B
I
do,
in
addition,
I'll
just
say
a
few
words
invocation.
A
I'm
going
to
go
through
a
brief
statement
of
explaining
the
function
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
again
welcome
to
the
the
meeting
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board.
The
purpose
of
the
board
is
to
conduct
public
hearings
on
the
items
that
come
before
it.
The
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
has
reviewed
the
evidence
in
the
agenda
packet
for
each
item
on
the
agenda
and
this
evening,
including
the
application
materials
in
the
staff
report.
A
The
board
will
consider
that
evidence
along
with
any
new
evidence
or
testimony
provided
at
the
public
hearing
tonight.
The
board
will
consider
all
of
the
information
provided
at
this
hearing
in
accordance
with
the
quasi-judicial
procedures
by
which
we
are
bound,
which
will
be
explained
by
our
attorney
shortly.
Here.
A
The
board
uses
these
procedures
to
judge
whether
the
application
meets
the
intent
of
the
city's
adopted,
comprehensive
plan
and
future
land
use
map
and
whether
the
application
conforms
to
the
cities
currently
adopted.
Land
Development
code
and
Zoning
Atlas.
The
board
will
render
a
decision
on
each
item
in
the
form
of
a
recommendation
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
who
will
take
the
final
action
on
the
item.
A
D
A
Okay,
we
we
do
have
less
than
a
full
board
present,
so
applicants
I
think
we're
only
missing
one,
but
applicants
may
choose
to
have
their
item
deferred
to
another
meeting
if
they
feel
this
could
be
detrimental
to
them.
If
anyone
wishes
to
do
that
approach
the
podium
and
ask
for
a
deferral-
and
we
will
announce
the
deferrals
to
a
date
certain
or
a
date
to
be
advertised
in
the
future,
seeing
none
I
would
ask
our
attorney
to
go
over
the
quasi-judicial
procedures
that
we
must
follow.
E
Anna
everybody
at
their
place
should
have
resolution
2022-02,
which
is
your
adopted
and
currently
in
effect
rules
of
procedure,
and
then,
in
addition
to
that,
you
should
have
a
PowerPoint
handout
that
says
quasi-judicial
proceedings:
the
rules
of
playing,
judge
and
jury.
Since
this
is
the
first
time
I've
sat
with
your
board
I
just
wanted.
E
Instead
of
just
doing
the
regular
announcement,
I
wanted
to
go
ahead
and
give
you
an
overview
now
I'm
going
to
tell
you
that
this
is
normally
an
hour-long
presentation,
but
due
to
the
size
of
your
agenda
and
everything
you
you
all
have
going
on
this
night,
I'm
going
to
condense
it
down
and
hopefully
get
it
done
in
about
10
to
15
minutes.
Okay,
so
I'm
going
to
basically
kind
of
Hit
the
high
points
and
just
make
sure
you
have
enough
information
so
that
we're
all
on
the
same
page
as
we
move
forward
here
tonight.
E
So
one
of
the
first
things
everybody
usually
asks
is:
why
do
we
even
have
to
have
these,
and
why
are
quasi-judicial
and
procedure,
rules
important
and
that's
kind
of
twofold?
As
for
the
orderly
conduct
of
government
business
and
for
civility
among
members
and
among
the
public
and
people
who
may
have
differing
opinions,
so
that's
the
two
main
reasons
that
we
have
a
lot
of
these
procedures
and
things
in
place
now.
E
Moving
on
to
the
second
page,
here's
what
quasi-judicial
actually
means-
and
this
is
how
it's
defined
by
case
law-
is
that
it
has
an
identifiable
impact
on
a
limited
number
of
persons
or
property
interests
is
contingent
contingent
on
facts
arrived
at
from
and
distinct
from,
Alternatives
presented
at
the
local
government
hearing,
and
it
is
viewed
as
an
application
of
policy.
So
that's
the
most
important
for
you
to
remember
and
that's
because
you
actually
have
two
separate
roles.
You
have
your
quasi-judicial
role
and
then
you
also
have
a
legislative
function.
That's
been
delegated
to
you.
E
So
when
you're
having
public
hearings,
it's
important
to
differentiate
between
the
ones
that
are
actually
the
application
of
the
law
and
the
ones
that
you're
applying
the
law.
So
if
it's
quasi-judicial,
that
means
you
are
taking
the
established
criteria,
whatever
is
already
in
the
code
of
ordinances,
and
you
are
applying
that
criteria
to
the
application
that
is
before
you
and
we'll
get
into
that
in
just
another
minute.
E
But
that's
the
most
important
distinction
here
is
it's
the
application
of
previously
established
criteria
to
the
facts
and
evidence
that
are
going
to
be
presented
to
you
in
the
hearing.
Moving
on
to
the
next
page.
So
a
big
important
piece
of
this
is
being
able
to
follow
both
procedural
and
substantive
due
process
and
that's
both
in
how
the
codes
are
written
and
how
you
carry
out
those
codes
in
practice.
E
As,
you
move
through
the
court
system.
If
you
are
not
applying
the
correct
law,
then
it
doesn't
matter
what
you
do
here.
So
we
always
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
we're
doing
that
and
we're
taking
the
criteria.
That's
already
in
the
code
and
using
that,
so
you
could
see
right
below
that
top
slide.
I
have
the
three
things
that
the
Circuit
Court
would
review.
If
they
were
reviewing
now
everything
that
you
do
goes
up
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners
right.
E
However,
it
becomes
part
of
a
greater
hearing
record
that
becomes
important
for
the
Board
of
Commissioners
review
and
then
also
on
appeal.
So
you
want
to
make
sure
that,
at
every
stage
of
the
proceeding
you're
following
what
needs
to
be
done
and
building
that
record
so
that
it's
clear
what
decisions
you're
making,
why
you're
making
those
decisions
and
what
you're
using
to
make
those
decisions.
E
Okay
moving
on
to
the
next
page,
so
in
terms
of
procedural
due
process,
and
what
that
requires.
That's
why
we
have
all
hearing
all
testimony
at
these
hearings
is
always
under
oath,
otherwise,
otherwise
it
undermines
the
basis
of
your
decision
and
it
actually
is
a
crime
under
state
law
to
provide
false
testimony,
evidence
or
or
writings
to
a
body
for
your
official
decision
that
are
false.
E
Although
you
do
not
have
to
strictly
follow
the
rules
of
evidence
in
these
proceedings,
your
findings
should
not
solely
be
based
on
hearsay.
If
all
you're
basing
it
on
is
hearsay,
then
that's
questionable,
and
that
certainly
could
be
subject
to
appeal
down
the
road
too,
also
because
you
are
taking
in
this
evidence
and
taking
in
this
testimony
within
the
confines
of
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding.
That
means
that
all
ex
parte
Communications
have
to
be
disclosed
at
the
hearing
right
now.
An
ex
parte
communication
is
is
information
or
Communications
that
you
receive
outside
of
the
hearing.
E
Now
we're
doing
this
process
of
board
education,
but
I
would
say
that
there's
a
majority
of
citizens
out
there
that
think
that
they
have
ready
access
to
you
and
that
they
can
come
talk
to
you
about
their
applications.
That
is
not
true.
So
if
an
applicant
ever
comes
up
to
talk
to
you,
other
board
members
well,
first
of
all
board
members
would
be
assigned,
but
other
folks
from
the
city
that
would
want
to
talk
to
you
about
something.
That's
going
to
come
before
you
in
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding.
E
You
cannot
change
the
law
without
following
the
proper
procedures
that
are
provided
in
the
state
statute
and
under
the
Constitution.
So
when
you
are
taking
that
criteria
and
that
information
and
you
are
applying
it
to
the
facts
and
testimony
that
are
presented
to
you,
you
have
to
remember
that
you're
doing
it
as
it
exists
and
not
as
you
would
like
it
to
be.
If
you
want
it
to
be
a
different
way,
you
have
a
different
procedure
for
that.
E
That
is
your
legislative
function,
and
you
can
do
that
and
it
does
have
to
go
through
the
Board
of
Commissioners
in
order
to
make
that
law
effective.
That
is
not
something
that
you
have
plenary
authority
to
do
here,
as
as
you
sit
today
also
so
the
applicant
does
have
the
burden
of
proof,
so
that
burden
of
proof
means
the
applicant
has
to
prove
to
you
that
they
meet
that
criteria.
They
meet
those
standards,
and
all
of
that
is
contained
in
their
application
and
in
the
testimony
and
evidence
that
they
that
they
are
bringing
to
you.
E
So
I
talked
about
everything
in
quasi-judicial
hearings.
Everything
has
to
be
supported
by
confident,
substantial
evidence
and
so
how
the
law
defines
that
is,
findings,
a
fact,
expert
testimony
and
cinnamon
citizen
testimony,
and
basically,
when
you're,
making
your
decisions
and
making
your
orders
it.
You
are
making
findings
you're,
making
findings
of
fact
and
conclusions
of
law
that
are
then
being
transmitted
to
the
board
of
of
Commissioners
right
for
the
ultimate
decision.
Now,
on
that
bottom
thing,
I
have
the
differentiate
differentiation
between
unacceptable
and
acceptable
citizen
testimony
a
lot
of
times.
E
Citizens
will
want
to
come
up
and
give
their
opinion
on
something,
and
that
goes
to
the
the
weight
and
credibility
of
the
information
that
they're
giving
you.
You
know
anybody
for
their
four
minutes.
You
know
as
long
as
they're,
not
being
disruptive
or
disrespectful
can
pretty
much
come
up
and
say
anything
right,
but
you
all
have
to
have
that
filter
of.
Are
they
just
giving
me
a
opinion
or
are
they
giving
me
observable
facts
and
evidence
that
I
can
apply
to
what's
going
on
here?
E
So
your
expert
testimony
are
going
to
be
people
who
have
specialized
knowledge,
training
or
experience.
That's
your
staff,
who
you
know
for
the
most
part,
does
this
day
in
and
day
out
right.
That's
Engineers,
Architects
people
who
have
that
level
of
specialized
skill
and
knowledge
to
give
what
would
be
under
the
law,
a
weighted
opinion
that
would
be
considered
expert
testimony.
E
Moving
on
to
page
six
after
you
have
that
First
Circuit
Court
review
with
those
three
items
that
were
the
basis
of
appeal.
Then,
if
it
survives
that,
then
it
goes
to
the
district
courts
of
appeal
and
there's
two
things
that
they
look
at
at
the
district,
a
court
court
level
and
the
first
one
is
procedural
due
process.
E
So
again,
you're
still
there
you're
looking
at
that
and
then
whether
or
not
you
departed
from
the
essential
requirements
of
law,
so
you
see
that
same
emphasis
being
put
on
whether
or
not
you're
meeting
these
constitutional
standards
and
whether
or
not
you're,
applying
and
moving
through
the
correct
law,
so
I
also
have
down
there
on
the
bottom
of
page,
seven.
Basically,
the
the
hearing
procedure
you
open,
the
public
hearing
staff
will
make
their
presentation
the
applicant
will
make
their
presentation.
You
have
the
opportunity
for
proponents
and
opponents
to
come
up
and
speak
on
the
application.
E
Then
you
have
the
opportunity
for
both
City
staff
and
for
the
applicant
to
provide
any
rebuttal
after
the
close
of
the
after
you
hear
from
the
proponents
and
opponents,
then
that's
when
you
close,
the
public
hearing
is
when
you're
done,
taking
your
evidence.
E
So
after
that,
that's
when
you
all
as
a
board,
have
those
discussions
of
this
is
what
I
think,
and
this
is
how
I
think
this
should
be,
and
you
make
your
motion
and
decide
whether
or
not
you're
going
to
recommend
approval
or
denial
of
the
application
before
you
and
then
I
just
have
quickly
here
on
your
legislative
procedures.
You'll
see
you
still
have
the
opportunity
for
them
to
the
public
to
to
speak
on
behalf
of
or
against
whatever
particular
piece
of
legislation.
E
You're
looking
to
have,
and
the
big
thing
that's
different
in
your
legislative
versus
your
quasi-judicial
is
you're
making
the
law
and
when
you're,
making
the
law
the
courts
use.
What's
called
The
Fairly
debatable
standard
and
the
Fairly
debatable
standard
has
sort
of
carried
through
over
a
couple
decades
here,
where
it
talks
about
the
court
not
being
able
to
second
guess
the
legislative
function,
because
we
have
the
separation
of
powers
under
the
Constitution.
E
So
that's
just
a
very
high
level
view
up
there
and
then
my
name
and
contact
information
is
in
the
back
on
the
very
last
slide.
So
for
tonight
we,
since
we
do
have
a
healthy
agenda.
I
will
let
everybody
know
that
pursuant
to
your
rules
or
procedures,
sit
citizens.
So
your
proponents
and
opponents
each
have
four
minutes
for
your
presentations.
E
I
am
requesting
that
the
chair
established
20-minute
time
limits
for
staff,
for
the
city's
presentation
and
for
applicant
presentation,
so
we
can
make
sure
we
keep
that
moving
today
and
then
for
rebuttal,
no
more
than
10
minutes
each
side.
That
doesn't
mean
you
have
to
use
all
that
time,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
little
bit
of
an
idea
here
so
that
we
can
move
these
larger
items
forward.
Yeah.
D
E
A
F
G
The
applicants
are
here
today
seeking
site
plan
approval
for
the
Susana
one
project.
This
is
a
six
unit,
multi-family
development.
They
are
proposing
a
one-story
building
that
is
oriented
towards
both
the
Boyer
and
gross
Street
frontages.
The
code
requires
a
minimum
of
10
parking
spaces
for
the
project
and
the
applicants
are
providing
10
on-site
parking
spaces.
They
have
provided
a
landscaping
plan
that
is
compliant
with
all
of
the
Land
Development
code
requirements,
including
screening
of
the
on-site
parking
lot.
G
This
is
a
look
at
the
proposed
site
plan
and
just
for
emphasis.
I've
outlined
the
building
footprint
in
blue
here
again,
it's
oriented
towards
West,
Gross,
Avenue
and
Boyer
Street,
and
the
parking
is
interior
to
the
site
and
access
from
an
alley
along
the
north
property
line.
The
site
plan
does
indicate
that
the
building
will
not
obstruct
any
of
the
required
site.
Visibility
triangles,
which
are
shown
at
the
intersections,
as
well
as
along
their
driveway
they're,
also
proposing
a
10
spot
parking
lot
behind
the
building,
and
then
on-site
stormwater
pond.
G
As
some
of
you
may
recall,
the
applicant
was
before
you
back
in
May
of
this
year.
They
were
asking
for
conditional
use
approval
of
an
alternative
dimensional
plan.
What
they
were
seeking
was
reduced,
setbacks
for
their
front
side
and
rear
yards,
and
ultimately
the
Board
of
Commissioners
did
approve
that
conditional
use
approval.
So
now,
they're
here
today,
with
the
final
site
plan,
the
conditional
use
approved
reduced
setbacks
to
be
a
minimum
front
yard
of
four
feet:
a
minimum
rear
yard
of
3.33
feet
and
a
minimum
side
yard
of
3.58
feet.
G
Those
reduced
yards
are
really
aimed
at
creating
a
more
urban
project
that
could
be
closer
to
the
street.
The
parking
interior
and
access
from
the
alley
and
the
reduced
setbacks
allowed
them
to
do
that
through
the
refinement
of
the
site
plan.
They
have
actually
have
slightly
larger
setbacks
that
are
proposed
before
you.
Most
significantly
is
the
side
yard,
which
is
the
East
property
line
along
here.
G
G
These
are
the
building
elevations
provided
by
the
applicant.
These
again
are
consistent
with
the
conceptual
plan
that
you
receive
during
the
conditional
use
approval,
with
the
exception
of
the
roofline.
The
conditional
use,
rendering
did
show
a
pitched
roof,
and
here
they've
modified
that
to
be
a
flat
roof,
but
it
still
has
the
same
building
articulation,
meaning
there's
setback,
walls
and
recessed
areas
of
the
building.
So
it's
not
a
flat
wall.
Each
unit
still
has
direct
access
from
their
front
door
to
the
public
sidewalks,
and
there
are
porches
for
each
of
the
units.
G
With
the
conditional
use
approval,
the
board
did
include
two
conditions
that
were
to
be
addressed
at
the
site
plan
during
the
site
plan
process.
The
first
was
buffering
of
the
parking
lot
from
the
adjacent
property
shall
be
addressed
during
the
site
plan
process,
and
this
is
the
area
that
we're
talking
about
in
the
blue
outline.
G
The
second
condition
was
that
the
applicant
would
work
with
staff
and
waste
management
for
a
workable
solution
for
collection
and
disposal
of
solid
waste.
The
applicants
are
proposing
to
use
individual
toters
instead
of
a
dumpster
on
site,
and
each
resident
would
be
required
to
take
their
totor
out
to
the
street
each
week
for
pickup.
G
With
that
sap
does
recommend
approval
of
the
site
plan
under
resolution
2022-44.
We
do
have
four
standard
conditions
for
the
approval.
The
first
is
that
the
site
construction
plans
be
consistent
with
the
approved
site
plan.
Second,
details
for
all
site
lighting,
including
product
sheets,
showing
shielded
fixtures,
will
be
provided
with
their
building
permit
application.
G
The
third
is,
the
developer
will
be
required
to
comply
with
the
public
art
program
if
the
project
exceeds
one
million
dollars
and
the
fourth
is,
the
site
plan
will
expire
one
year
from
the
effective
date
unless
they've
made
an
application
for
the
building
permit,
and
then
just
for
one
point
of
clarification,
you
may
have
noticed
in
your
agenda
materials
that
there
was
another
slide
in
the
presentation:
referencing
The
t4c,
transect
Zone.
We
noticed
that
that
was
included
in
error
and
not
relevant
to
this
project.
G
So
I
admitted
it
from
this
presentation,
but
just
for
a
point
of
record
and
with
that
I'd
be
happy
to
take
any
questions.
G
Yeah
it
does
meet
what
we
require,
typically
for
a
screening
for
properties
that
are
multi-family
next
to
a
residential
property,
so
it
does
comply
with
that
and
being
that
the
stormwater
Pond
is
in
that
location
as
well.
It
just
provides
additional
distance
between
the
parking
lot
and
that
adjacent
property.
So
yes,
okay,.
G
F
F
H
B
I
have
a
question
in
regards
to
the
toters
which
are
dumps
in
Lua
dumpsters
I
just
want
to
unpack
that
just
a
little
bit.
So
is
the
concept
there
that,
instead
of
having
a
dumpster
space,
that
requires
the
turnaround
for
the
truck
and
all
the
things
that
come
with
that
that
this
is
maybe
a
better
alternative
to
that
requirement.
Would
that
be
fair?
Yes,.
G
Yeah,
the
main
reason
was
how
to
get
if
they
had
a
dumpster
on
site.
How
would
they
be
able
to
maneuver
a
trash
truck
Through,
the
Alley
into
the
parking
space,
and
this
is
a
practice
that
we've
used
on
some
other
projects
throughout
the
community
and,
like
I,
said
Public
Works
and
waste
management
are
comfortable
with
it,
but
the
toter.
B
A
Seeing
none
with
the
applicant
like
to
make
a
presentation.
A
All
right
that
brings
us
to
public
comments.
Have
anyone
here,
speaking
in
in
favor
of
this
proposal,.
A
All
right,
seeing
no
public
comments,
I'll
close
the
public
comments
section
of
the
meeting
I,
don't
imagine
staff
has
any
rebuttal
comments,
do
not,
and
the
applicant
I
imagine
not
either.
So
the
the
item
will
come
back
to
us
for
consideration
of
the
board.
We
need
a
motion
and
a
second
before
discussing
I.
E
A
G
Okay,
again,
staff
does
recommend
approval
of
resolution
2022-44
subject
to
four
conditions.
One
site
construction
plan
shall
be
consistent
with
the
approved
site
plan.
All
requisite
fees
attended
to
the
project
shall
be
paid
in
accordance
with
the
Land
Development
code.
Two
details
for
all
site
lighting,
including
product
sheets,
showing
shielded
fixtures,
shall
be
provided
with
the
building
permit
application,
showing
compliance
with
the
Land
Development
code.
Section
127.06
three
developer
must
comply
with
the
public
art
program,
requirements
of
Land
Development
code,
section
296.
A
F
Motion
was
intended
to
be
with
the
recommendations
of
staff
and
the
and
the
condition
and
their
conditions
and.
I
D
B
A
J
E
E
It
noted
for
the
record
that
this
had
been
before
you
before
at
your
previous
meeting
right
and
that
I
also
wanted
to
inquire
of
all
the
board
members,
whether
or
not
you
can
hear
tonight's
presentation
and
dually
consider
all
the
testimony
and
evidence
that's
going
to
be
presented
to
you
both
by
staff
and
by
the
applicant,
even
though
some
of
it
you
may
have
already
heard
so,
is
there
anybody
who
cannot
move
forward
on
this?
Based
on
that?
E
Okay,
the
record
will
reflect
that
there
are.
Nobody
is
indicating
that
they
will
have
a
problem,
making
a
fair
decision
on
tonight's
application
and
then
because
it
is
a
re-hearing.
I
would
like
to
see
a
motion
of
the
board
to
go
ahead
and
hear
this
again.
B
I
D
J
Thank
you,
Pat
McNeese
principal
planner.
This
is
the
cohatch
Tarpon
Springs
application.
You
saw
this
at
your
regular
meeting.
Most
of
you
did
on
October
17th,
and-
and
this
is
back
before
you
now
at
that
meeting-
you
did
not
have
the
benefit.
The
art,
the
applicants
architect
was
here,
but
you
didn't
have
the
applicant
and
the
benefit
of
a
full
presentation
from
them
and
staff
has
also
done
additional
research
to
provide
you,
but
with
more
information
on
parking
downtown
and
some
of
the
other
issues
you
mentioned.
J
So
I'll
just
quickly
go
over
the
basics
of
the
project.
This
is
downtown
Tarpon
Springs
on
Tarpon
Avenue.
It's
a
an
existing
building
that
we'll
see
in
here
that
the
proposal
is
to
put
an
addition
on
that
building
into
provide
a
restaurant,
outdoor
bar
and
an
office
and
co-working
space.
J
This
is
the
location
of
the
project
between
all
19
and
North
Safford
and
again,
this
is
in
the
downtown
character.
District.
The
red
dashed
outline
is
the
t5b
transect
that
it's
in,
which
covers
basically
that
strip
of
Tarpon
Avenue
from
ring
Avenue
overpass,
Alt,
19.
J
Oops-
and
this
is
a
closer
view
of
the
transect
showing
what's
covered
and
where
the
site
is
again,
this
is
an
Adaptive
free
use
of
an
existing,
your
your
oldest
commercial
building
in
Tarpon,
and
this.
This
is
a
project
that
will
preserve
and
update
and
adapt
that
that
project
to
building
to
the
new
use.
J
This
is
the
existing
survey,
the
building
here
right
up
on
Tarpon
Avenue
at
a
zero
outline
and
then
the
back,
which
is
mostly
a
paved
or
concrete,
and
then
the
rear
of
the
property
borders
on
the
Alley
behind
it.
J
And
then
this
is
a
just
overly
the
site
plan
again:
two-story
brick
building
here,
two-story
addition
which
doubles
the
size
of
that
built
property
and
then
the
outdoor
bar
on
the
lower
floor
and
open
area
in
the
back
that
exposes
basically
exposes
the
project
out
to
the
alley.
J
J
There
is
one
difference
in
this
elevation
from
what
the
Heritage
board
approved.
That
would
be
this
dumpster
sorry
trash
enclosure
here
should
look
like
this
be
behind
the
stairway.
The
applicant
has
already
submitted
building
permit
application
and
is
already
addressing
that
item,
but
we
do
have
it
as
a
recommended
condition
of
approval.
J
These
are
just
renderings
of
that
rear
elevation.
Again
the
look.
The
materials
everything's
been
reviewed
and
approved
by
the
Heritage
Board.
This
is
the
front.
The
applicant
is
obviously
maintaining
the
look
of
and
everything
on,
the
historic
building
in
fact,
they're
restoring
some
semblance
of
the
transom
Windows,
which
have
been
gone.
Putting
a
commercial
awning,
so
they're
they're,
going
to
re-expose
that
that
strip
that
concrete
core
strip
along
there,
so
it
should
improve
the
look
of
the
building.
These
are
additional
renderings
on
that.
J
J
Just
to
get
into
some
of
the
questions
we
had
for
Access
and
parking.
The
alley
is:
is
there
but
it's
very
limited.
It's
only
seven
and
a
half
feet
wide
in
portions
at
the
two
ends:
it's
used
locally
for
business
owner
traffic
to
access
behind
their
stores,
but
it's
not
regularly
traversed
by
Vehicles.
It's
not
big
enough
for
delivery
trucks,
garbage
trucks
that
sort
of
thing
the
city
is
working
on.
Activating
the
Sally
as
a
pedestrian
alley,
that's
already
I,
believe
being
lit
up,
so
we
have
some
additional
work.
J
J
The
exemption-
and
this
is
the
exact
wording
here-
is
for
any
project
in
that
transect.
As
long
as
there's
available
parking
within
a
five-minute
walking
distance
downtown.
This
is
the
only
transect
that's
exempt
from
parking
right
now
in
your
smart
code.
Some
of
the
reasons
for
this,
basically,
as
as
you
know,
most
of
I
mean
that
development
that
exists
there
pretty
much
was
the
pattern
prior
to
the
automobile,
so
the
sites
are
pretty
full
with
building
structures
and
there
just
isn't
sufficient
room
for
applicants
to
provide
on-site
parking
parking
downtown.
J
You
know,
as
far
as
surface
parking
lots
the
cities
kind
of
stayed
away
from
that.
There's
not
much
room
down
there,
but
it
does
The
Desire,
with
smart
code
was
for
to
preserve
the
walkability
and
surface
parking.
Lots
tend
to
disrupt
that
kind
of
feel
for
downtowns.
Also.
We
want
to
encourage
the
Adaptive
reuse
of
these
buildings,
and
that
was
part
of
the
thinking
behind
it.
J
So,
in
the
meantime,
with
that
exemption,
the
city
separately
continues
to
work
on
additional
parking
again,
here's
the
transect
again,
that's
the
only
one
the
exemption
applies
to
this
is
a
quarter
mile
walk
shed.
So
it's
about
a
five
minute,
walk
shed
around
the
site
and
we'll
talk
about
these
different
parking
areas.
This
is
a
little
bit
zoomed
in
a
little
closer,
so
the
yellow
are
City
owned
and
leased
Lots
the
total
right
now
290
spaces,
the
orange
we
have
verbal
agreements
for
after
hours
parking.
Those
are
the
banks.
J
We
also
have
on-street
parking.
You
all
would
be
familiar
with
some
of
the
recent
upgrades
on
Court
Street
behind
the
cultural
center
in
those
areas
that
amounts
to
about
230
spaces,
and
this
is
in
less
than
the
five
minute
walking
distance
in
this
Camp.
So
we
did
some
Ransom
numbers
found
that
we
have
about
194
000
square
feet
of
existing
floor
area
in
that
transect
that's
gross
floor
area,
so
the
so.
If
parking
were
required,
we've
got
the
maximum
number
here.
J
That
would
be
required
at
three
per
thousand
square
feet
that
is
required
elsewhere.
In
your
code,
with
a
shared
parking
factor
which
lets
you
combine,
restaurant
office
or
retail
office
different
uses
like
that,
it
drops
to
486.
right
now.
We
have
590
spaces.
We
know
are
available
in
less
than
that.
Five
minute
walk
or
if
you
don't
count
the
verbal
agreement,
spaces
511.
J
spaces
are
available,
so
we
do
have
a
basically
a
surplus
of
parking
that
is
available
downtown
for
this
transect,
and
this
just
talks
a
little
bit
about
how
this
was
calculated.
The
applicant
is
proposing
6750
new
square
feet
of
floor
area,
so
we
feel
like
they
should
be.
Okay,
but
again
the
city
continues
to
work
on
this,
so
it's
really
I
mean
everything
in
that
strip.
Between
Alt,
19
and
Safford
is
developed
with
the
exception.
J
I
would
say
if
the
city
owned
CRA
lot
downtown
next
to
Acropolis
meets
that's
the
only
vacant
piece,
but
so
they
would
all
have
to
look
at
those
kinds
of
of
numbers
and
and
requirements
if
any
of
those
buildings
were
going
to
be
redeveloped
to
something
else.
There
was
a
concern
about
storm
water.
I
did
add
to
your
staff
report
the
actual
requirement
that
exempts
them
from
storm
water.
Basically,
it's
our
storm
water,
retrofit
section.
J
The
applicant
is
reducing
the
impervious
surface
from
0.85
to
0.83,
but
they
did
work
with
City
staff
to
try
to
alleviate
and
maybe
improve
a
little
bit
the
condition
along
the
alley.
So
when
we
have
heavy
rains
and
really
downtown
is
pretty
high,
not
a
huge
flooding
problem
or
ponding
problem
right
in
in
the
on
that
strip
of
downtown,
but
we
do
store
or
storm
water
streets
and
storm
water
stuff
was
a
little
bit
concerned
about
the
alley
and
trying
to
alleviate
the
rush
of
water
down.
J
That
alley
in
any
erosion,
so
the
applicant
and
they
can
probably
explain
to
us
a
little
better-
came
up
in
conjunction
with
our
staff,
with
with
a
mini
Vault
type
system
in
the
back
there
behind
the
bar
and
a
bubbler
to
try
to
calm
the
the
release
of
that
water
as
it
exits
and
is
sent
down
the
alley
to
our
system
to
the
east.
J
So
that's
what
this
I
just
tried
to
do:
a
close-up
showing
you,
the
bubbler
and
the
layout,
that
one
of
your
conditions
that
they
will
provide
more
detail,
a
Construction
level,
drawing
detail
at
building
permit
stage.
J
So,
as
I
said,
they've
received
variates
for
floor
area
and
HPB
approval.
The
project
is
compliant
with
the
Land
Development
code
and
with
the
smart
code.
It
is
compliant
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
it
meets
the
concurrency
management
system
and
we
expect
it
to
be
able
to
comply
with
all
city
building
codes.
So
we
have
six
conditions
that
we
would
like
an
approval
to
include.
As
I
said,
the
applicant
is
addressing
the
first
one
now,
but
we'd
still
like
that
on
here.
To
have
it.
Have
it
be
clear?
J
The
first
and
second
one
they're
addressing
public
art.
The
applicant
has
already
contacted
me
to
set
up
meeting
with
the
public
art
committee,
so
hopefully
they'll
be
working
on
that
and,
like
I,
say
they've
already
applied
for
a
building
permit,
so
that
that's
been
done.
So
we
would
recommend
approval
subject
to
those
conditions
and
when
it's
appropriate
I
would
like
to
tender.
My
staff
report,
presentation
and
full
record
as
evidence.
F
K
We
wanted
to
be
able
to
provide
additional
information
to
you
know,
to
flush
out
the
parking,
the
the
reason
for
the
exemption.
Those
numbers
are
recent.
We
we
literally
collected
those
since
we've
had
this
hearing
identified.
You
know
the
number
of
spaces
we
collected
through
the
property
appraisal
records
all
the
building
Square
footages
in
that
District,
so
that
we
could
give
you.
You
know
an
analysis
of
the
parking
situation
and
show
that
this
meets
the
the
requirement
you
know
meets
that
that
exemption
requirement
right
and
just.
K
I'm,
starting
with
the
city,
Renee
Benson,
I'm
planning
and
zoning
director.
F
So
you
know
you
and
I
met
a
week
or
so
ago,
and
we
talked
about
this
project
and
that
the
and
we
talked
about
actually
a
parking
study.
L
F
F
Yes,
where
we
are
and
where
we
are
in
the
big
picture
of
parking
in
the
downtown
the
the
issue
wasn't
the
the
issue
that
was
brought
up
at
the
prior
time.
This
was
brought
to
us,
wasn't
necessarily
parking
availability.
It
was
more
the
the
compatibility
with
with
the
downtown
and
the
pattern
of
parking,
so
it
wasn't
that
we
understand
I.
Think
I
can't
speak
for
them.
I
understand
that
parking
is
not
a
requirement
of
downtown,
because
everybody
has
zero
lot
lines.
Nobody
could
provide
parking.
F
I
understand
that,
but
the
the
thing
you
and
I
kind
of
maybe
had
a
slight
disagreement
on
or
was
whether
or
not
parking
can
be
a
compatibility
issue
which
then
goes
to
you
know
the
comprehensive
plan
on
compatibility,
so
the
the
question
and
I
think
you
and
I
actually
had
a
very
productive
conversation
about
that
that
that
was
more
of
the
concern.
Was
that
and
I
think
when
the
applicant
gets
up
and
and
can
answer
some
the
questions
that
weren't
able
to
be
answered
by
their
representative.
F
The
last
time
was
the
kind
of
the
pattern
of
the
the
tenants
or
members.
However,
you
know
their
their
as
to
the
whether
they're
you
know
it's
a
big
difference.
If,
if
all
you
know,
there's
30
or
40
parked
cars
there
all
day
long
in
the
downtown
now
I
I
think
we.
We
had
a
obviously
a
good
conversation
about
how
we
could
address
that
at
a
at
a
at
a
future
time,
if,
in
fact
that
became
an
issue,
but
that
was
really
our
thing.
F
K
K
Them
as
well-
and
we
wanted
to
make
sure,
because
when
you
read
the
way
that
the
exemption
reads,
it
says
where
it
can
be
demonstrated
that
available
parking
is
within
a
five-minute,
walk
public
parking,
and
so
we
felt
like
we
needed
to
provide
additional
information
to
show
here's.
What
the
parking
need
is
where
this
exemption
exists.
Here's
the
parking
that's
available
and
it
will
support
that
available
parking.
F
And
then
support
that
additional
square
footage,
but
I
just
want
you
to
understand
our
issue.
Wasn't
I
I,
don't
know
my
issue.
I
can't
speak
for
anybody
else
was
not
availability
of
parking,
but
the
base
the
the
pattern
of
parking
as
a
compatibility
issue.
So
just
I
just
want
to
be
clear
and
you
and
I
had
that
conversation.
E
E
B
Miss
McNeese,
thank
you
so
much
for
adding
more
detail
in
regards
to
the
parking
and
I'm
going
to
politely.
Disagree
with
my
board
member.
My
concern
was
specifically
about
availability
of
parking
and
not
pattern,
because
I
sense
that
there
is
not
availability,
so
I'd
like
to
drill
into
something
and
I'll
just
want
to
use
a
real
world
example
of
availability.
B
B
That's
verbally
agreed
if
I
can
be
so
bold
is
useless,
they're
verbal
agreements,
so
they
don't
mean
a
thing,
but
those
ones
in
yellow
and
I-
and
this
is
the
only
one
that
I'm
really
really
familiar
with-
is
that
behind
Flagship
bank
there's
a
big
old
parking
lot.
There
was
a
bunch
of
road
work
done
about
a
year
two
years
ago
and
why
I
bring
this
to
our
attention?
B
And
so
this
huge
parking
lot
sat
vacant
for
years
and
no
one
could
park
there
now.
I
know.
That's
changed,
forgive
me,
but
this
is
there's
a
point
to
this.
So
it's
now
we
rebuilt
the
road
and
now
there's
parking
there,
but
this
big,
yellow
square
that
is
shown
here
with
these
spaces,
isn't
really
accurate,
because
most
of
that
goes
to
the
bank
and
the
building
there
that
have
we're
going
to
tell
you
signs
now.
I
know
you
got
the
space
requirement
there.
B
B
M
We
have
lease
agreements
with
the
owners
of
those
lots:
the
reason
that
they're
shown
in
two
because
they're
two
separate
owners
that
own
the
Lots
behind
there.
But
yes,
those
are
the
actual
parking
spaces
that
have
been
identified
in
the
Municipal
Police
with
the
owners
and
the
city.
So
those
spaces
are
available
for
public
parking.
We
have
the
public
parking
signs
posted
there
as
well.
B
Nice
to
meet
you
nice
to
meet
you.
Thank
you
and
I
appreciate
that
input
and
I
think
no
one
has
to
acknowledge.
But
what
I
said
was
true.
Is
that
for
this
longest
time
that
big
parking
lot
sat
empty
and
now
we're
relying
on
it
to
feed
or
provide
parking
for
this,
this
new
business,
and
then
this
is
only
hearsay,
but
we
all
know
that
all
those
other
parking
lots
are
full
24
7..
It
just
is
what
it
is
and
we
don't
need
to
deny
that.
B
N
Yeah
I'd
like
to
agree
with
Mr,
vessey
and
I,
was
I.
Do
appreciate
that
the
staff
added
this
to
the
presentation
but
I'm,
sorry
590
spaces,
I
I'm,
not
buying
that
so
I
mean
the
biggest
issue
that
we
had
before,
and
it's
still
the
same
issue
today
is
it's
definitely
availability
and
because
it's
not
a
requirement
doesn't
mean
it's
not
a
reality
and
especially
to
the
people
that
live
here.
So
we
know
that
these
spaces
are
not
available.
24
7..
N
We
had
a
festival
recently
in
town
and
I
assume
that's
how
these
numbers
were
calculated,
because
you
see
that
they're
going
down
the
streets
here
showing
that
you
can
park
on
these
streets.
Well,
when
you
park
on
these
streets,
you
make
them
one-way
streets
and
during
any
type
of
busy
hour
you
you
just
Jam
traffic
up.
So
during
this
Festival
it
was
down
at
Craig
Park.
N
There
was
no
parking
that
was
provided
so
all
the
people
that
attended
just
parked
all
along
spring
Boulevard.
You
know
that
essentially
just
became
a
one-way
Road
with
nobody
directing
traffic
either
way.
So
there's
going
to
be
no
way
to
regulate
this
sure.
There's
590
spots
available
you're
talking
about.
If
we
had
a,
it
would
be
literally
like
a
festival
in
town
every
single
day,
so
those
spaces
are
there,
but
it's
not
reasonable
and
the
town
just
there's
they're
not
available
in
any
reasonable
sort
of
way.
N
So,
while
I
appreciate
the
updated
numbers,
I'm,
just
not
believable
and
I
did
want
to
add
about
the
verbal
agreement.
I
I,
don't
understand
who's
made
these
verbal
agreements.
I,
don't
know
anybody
in
town
who
would
just
say
yeah.
The
city
can
use
my
parking
whenever
so
I'd
like
to
have
some
explanation
on
who
these
verbal
agreements
are
with
with
the
city
yeah.
M
Again,
when
we've
been
looking
at
parking
for
several
years,
we
all
know,
as
the
downtown
is
growing
and
getting
more
active,
more
businesses.
That
parking
is
an
issue,
and
but
without
going
into
all
of
that,
we
we
started
leasing
the
designating
and
looking
at
areas
that
we
could
lease
parking
lots.
M
M
We
they
are
good
City
Partners
to
us,
especially
during
festivals,
so
we
had
talked
with
them
about
entering
into
agreements
with
them
for
liability
reasons
they
weren't
going
to
their
privately
owned
their
corporations.
However,
they
told
us
that
they
they're
good
Community
Partners
they're
not
going
to
tow
anybody.
M
The
parking
lots
are
are
open
to
people
who
can
use
them
during
the
evenings
when
we
have
festivals,
our
sanitation
crew
comes
out
and
make
sure
that
they
clean
them
up.
So
the
verbal
agreement
means
that,
as
a
city
as
a
city
partner
as
a
downtown
business,
that
has
parking
lots,
they
are
not
going
to
be
Towing
anybody
out
of
those
lots.
D
B
A
thought
experiment.
If
this
cohatch
was
outside
this
transect
and
the
intensity
of
business,
that
it's
it's
suggesting,
what
would
its
parking
requirements
be
if
it
was
outside
the
cohatch?
You
can
just
stand
alone
in
any
other
business
district.
How
many
parking
places
would
be
required.
J
J
D
J
B
B
J
O
If
I
could
thank
you,
Mr
chairman
in
regards
to
the
site
plan
and
the
trash
receptacle
or
or
storage
bin,
or
whatever
you
want
to
designated
as-
and
this
may
be,
a
good
question
for
the
staff
or
maybe
something
you
wish
to
be
directed
to
the
applicant,
so
I'll
defer
to
your
judgment
on
that.
That
alley
way
back
there
being
that
it's,
the
width
is
prohibitive
to
any
sort
of
vehicular
entry
and
a
bar
in
restaurant
use
proposed.
J
Is
there
and
we
go
through
facilities
impacts
on
pages
three
and
four
of
your
staff
report?
There
is
a
shared
dumpster
right
in
the
back
of
that
Orange
Street
parking
lot
right
across
the
wild
Cathy
corner
across
the
alley,
the
applicant,
actually,
the
existing
building
in
use
was
already
paying
into
that
shared
dumpster.
That
payment
fee
will
be
recalculated
for
this
new
use.
This
applicant
will
be
using
that
shared
dumpster.
At
the
same
time,
public
works.
J
Let
me
know
they're
going
to
be
upgrading
that
dumpster
with
a
compactor
as
well,
and
that's
what
these
owners,
along
this
north
side
of
Tarpon,
either
move
totes
out
to
hibiscus,
depending
on
how
much
they
generate
or
they
use
that
shared
shed
dumpster
along
with
the
Tarpon
Tavern
and
those
couple
of
the
others.
So
thank.
L
A
F
A
F
Yeah,
okay,
I'm,
sorry,
that's,
okay,
okay,
so
yeah
the
these
yeah
I
mean
with
without
a
a
true
study
which
I
think
the
city
should
spend
the
money
and
do
which
would
have
you
know
not
not
just
this
is
helpful
but
right,
but
a
real
study
that
had
times
and-
and
you
know,
capacity
at
times
and
all
those
kinds
of
things
short
of
having
that
all
of
us
are
talking
anecdotal
right
when
we
say
well,
I
think
there's
a
parking
problem,
there's
not
a
parking
problem.
F
I
anecdotally
have
never
had
a
problem
finding
a
place
to
park,
but
that's
me:
okay,
but
these
these
orange
spaces,
let's
say
truest
bank,
for
example.
It
doesn't
have
signage
that
says
available
to
the
public
right.
M
F
People
would
most
likely
I
would
choose
if
I
was
going
to
go
park
down
there.
I
wouldn't
choose
to
park
in
one
of
those
spots
because
I
wouldn't
I
would
assume
that's
you
know.
Private
parking
lot
and
I
might
get
towed
away
or
something
so
but
I
understand
how
so
Karen.
How
can
we
without
having
any
of
their
liability
issues?
F
M
D
F
M
It's
not
a
very
known
quantity
of.
Certainly
we
can
always
follow
up
with
them
for
some
signage,
that
might
say,
Festival
parking,
something
like
that
that
can
be
put
up
during
events
that
we
could
say
you
know,
after
our
parking
available,
so.
F
J
Staff
can
certainly
depend
you
know
when
you
act
on
this.
We
can
certainly
add
something
to
the
board's
presentation
expressing
your
whole
concern
with
Downtown
parking
in
general
yeah,
and
you
know
your
your
desire.
I
know
since
I've
been
here,
they've
talked
about
parking
garages,
I
think
they've
talked
about
parking
studies,
but
I
think
I.
Think
they're,
aware
I.
F
Place,
but
before
we
spend
whatever
millions
of
dollars
on
a
parking
garage,
we
need
to
have
a
parking
study
and
I
know.
That's
not
your
thing.
I
mean
that's
something
that
needs
to
be
budgeted
by
the
Board
of
Commissioners
and,
and
you
know,
hire
the
you
know
out
outside
parking
analysis,
people
that
do
such
things
so
I
understand
it's
not
and
again,
it's
not
your
your
fault.
B
J
J
B
K
K
B
B
K
They
we
would
have
to
do
the
same
analysis
that
you
know
it
says
you're
exempt
as
long
as
you
can
show
that
there's
available
parking
so
within
the
five-minute
walk
shed.
So
that's
what
we've
you
know
tried
to
provide
the
actual
public
parking
that's
available
now.
Does
that
mean
it's
available
24
hours
a
day,
no
I
mean
that's
I
mean
go
to
the
mall.
It
doesn't
work
that
way.
K
I
I
heard
I
heard
earlier,
when
you
were
talking
about
shared
parking
I,
think
it
was
the
young
lady.
Besides,
you
forget
your
name.
Forgive
me,
but
I
had
heard
shared
parking
for
special
events,
and
that
concerns
me.
Is
it
just
for
special
events
that
we
intended
those
shared
parkings
to
accommodate.
J
Shared
parking
refers
to
the
different
uses,
so
you
can,
you
can
cut
it.
It's
a
factor
that
reduces
the
number
based
on
somebody's
going
to
the
right
that
that's
working
up
in
the
office
is
going
to
go
downstairs
and
eat
in
a
restaurant.
That's
why,
instead
of
so
you,
you
kind
of
combine
them
and
you.
I
K
Make
sure
we
got
the
question
clear
so
we
have
least
Lots,
so
lease
lots
are
available.
24
7.,
the
ones
by
verbal
agreement,
I
think,
is
more
what
she
was
discussing
with.
We
won't
toe,
and
especially
during
special
events,
but
those
that's
why
we
didn't
count
them
in
the
second
set
of
calculations.
But.
M
F
Yeah,
okay,
so
let's
have
a
time
out
here:
okay,
so
this
Karen,
you
can
come
back
if
you
want
wait
a
minute,
so
we're
talking
about
a
business,
that's
going
to
function
during
the
day
right
right
and
now
you
guys
are
bringing
up
these
oranges.
That
you're
saying
are
for
special
events
at
night.
F
M
N
Wanted
just
to
add
that
by
adding
these-
and
you
did
mark
them
as
potential
which
I
I
agree
is
misleading
as
soon
as
these
are
seen
as
available
during
the
day
say,
truest
very
quickly
through
his
bank
will
not
allow
the
city
to
use
any
of
that
parking.
Once
people
start
using
it
to
park
for
cohatch
that
verbal
agreement
will
disappear
immediately
and
then
everybody
else
in
the
city
that
tries
to
use
it
for
nighttime
events
like
to
go
to
Johnny's
across
the
street.
N
Now
that
that
relationship
is
now
over,
so
I
mean
by
putting
these
in
here,
I
mean
you're,
not
it's
not
helping
the
applicant
either,
because
it's
misleading
that
that
there's
more
potential
spaces
for
them
that
really
don't
exist
and
the
people
that
come
for
these
office
spaces
aren't
going
to
know
that
it's
not
it's
not
really
their
responsibility
to
know
that
either.
If
it
says
no
toe,
then
they'll
be
upset
that
they're
Towing
but
truest
bank,
and
these
other
orange
places
they
won't
have
any
I
mean
other.
N
That
will
be
their
only
option
because
it'll
start
being
abused
and
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
prevent
that
in
any
way.
And
then
the
five
minute
thing
I
think
is
really
stretching
it.
Flagship
bank
is
across
the
street
from
altar
19.
it's
and
it's
two
blocks
down
from
Tarpon
Avenue
in
the
this,
the
applicant's
business.
E
Okay
and
approximately,
how
many
properties
would
that
consist
of?
Do
you
have
just
a
rough
idea
of
how
many.
J
E
J
J
E
J
E
A
Seeing
none
would
the
applicant
like
to
make
a
presentation
approach
the
microphone
and
state
your
name
and
address.
P
P
Is
200
Madison,
Avenue,
Tampa,
Florida
and
I'm?
Sorry
Pat
did
a
great
job
kind
of
going
through
the
process.
She's
highlighted
everything
in
red,
really
architecturally
and
site
plan
wise.
There
aren't
any
changes
based
on
what
you
saw
last
time.
There's
clarifications
that
she's
she's
noted
in
Red,
so
I'm
simply
available
to
answer
any
questions.
P
We
do
specialize
in
historic
preservation,
projects
and
adaptive,
reuse
of
historic
buildings,
so
we're
very
honored
to
be
working
on
this,
the
the
oldest
building
in
in
the
in
the
city,
but
really
I,
know
what
you
want
to
hear
from
us
is
from
the
applicant
themselves,
so
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Chris
from
cohadge
and
yes,
I
have
been
sworn
sorry.
I
forgot
that
part
at
the
beginning.
Q
Laughs,
oh
yes,
I
have
been
sworn.
My
name
is
Chris
Watkins
1825
upper
Chelsea,
Columbus,
Ohio
43212.
Q
The
down
okay,
great,
thank
you
for
everyone.
Taking
the
time
I
know,
we've
already
been
through
a
lot
of
conversation
here,
so
I'll
try
to
go
very
quickly.
Try
to
hit
some
highlights
and
then
open
up
for
questions,
because
I
know,
that's
probably
what
you
all
would
like
to
do.
We
are
very
interested
in
this
project.
The
reason
coax
exists
is
really
to
do
projects
like
this
we're
doing
adaptive,
reuse
within
historical
walkable
communities
across
the
country,
primarily
in
the
Midwest
and
the
southeast.
Q
We
came
down
to
Tampa
because
we
have
a
lot
of
friends
and
family
that
are
interested
in
coax
being
down
here.
We
came
down
here
two
and
a
half
years
ago
to
begin
our
site
locations
and
We
Came,
Upon,
This
location,
we're
very
very
excited
about
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
bring
some
life
back
to
it.
Q
This
is
our
project
team,
which
you
have
I
think
in
this
file:
Brian
Sanders
who's,
our
Tampa
market
leader,
he's,
unfortunately
out
of
the
country.
He
was
one
to
be
here
tonight,
but
he
had
already
had
a
pre-plane
trip
before
that,
but
he
is
a
Tampa
Bay
resident.
Q
He
actually
runs
the
market
for
us
Noel
Cruz
who's,
one
of
one
of
the
great
restaurant
tourers
in
the
community
in
the
Tampa
Bay
Region
he's
the
one
that's
going
to
be
running
the
made
whole,
which
will
be
the
the
restaurant
that
will
be
cohabitating
the
space
with
Co
hatch.
Q
Really,
what
cohatch
really
seeks
to
do
is
we're
looking
at
not
traditional
co-working,
with
the
way
you
might
have
seen
it
before.
We
really
look
at
all
three
aspects
of
your
life,
your
work,
life,
your
meeting
life
and
your
live
life.
So
this
isn't
just
about
coming
to
work
from
eight
to
five
Monday
through
Friday.
This
space
is
really
meant
to
be
an
extension
of
your
home
to
be
able
to
use
in
a
much
different
way.
Q
So
as
far
as
it
relates
to
the
the
traffic
flow
and
the
things
I
think
were
really
important
to
everybody.
Here
is
you're
not
going
to
walk
into
one
of
our
locations
and
have
200
people
sitting
in
one
of
those
space
in
the
location
at
any.
Given
time
it's
going
to
be
you
walk
in.
There
could
be
10
people,
there
could
be
15
people,
there
could
be
20
people.
People
are
mostly
small
business
owners,
medium-sized
business
owners
startups,
so
they're
in
and
out
of
the
space
they're,
not
there.
It's
rare
that
you
have
somebody
there.
Q
That's
from
you
know
eight
in
the
morning
until
10
o'clock
at
night.
It
just
is
very
unusual
to
have
that
they're
coming
in
at
different
hours.
It's
very
spread
out,
so
all
of
almost
all
of
our
locations
are
in
these
walkable
main
streets
that
have
the
exact
same
issues
that
you
do.
We
really
really
work
hard
to
work
with
the
city
and
the
community
to
make
sure
that
we're
they
understand.
Our
business
flow
is
not
this
kind
of
all
at
once.
Heavy
business
flow
that
creates
stress
on
the
parking
within
a
community.
Q
Otherwise
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
be
going
into
all
the
communities
we
go
into
because
our
traffic
flow
is
usually
very
disparate.
It's
it's
revolving.
It's
not
all
hit
at
once.
It
really
doesn't
create
extra
stress
in
a
community
in
all
the
different
locations.
We've
we've
been
in
really.
What
is
really
unique
about
coax
is
we're
not
just
looking
to
do
the
Adaptive
Rios
for
the
sake
of
doing
adaptive,
reuse
we're
really
looking
at
the
community.
Q
What
the
needs
of
the
city
are,
what
the
needs
of
the
non-profits
in
the
community
are
what
the
needs
of
the
businesses
are
in
the
community
and
what
the
city
needs,
and
what
they're
looking
for
to
really
Revitalize
that
incredible
history
of
that
building.
Our
team
spent
weeks
and
weeks
and
weeks
and
months
and
months
in
design
to
understand
the
history
of
this
space,
understanding
the
the
character
of
it
understand
all
the
different
nuances
of
Tarpon
Springs
have
Incorporated
that
into
the
design
which
you'll
get
to
see
a
little
bit
here.
Q
But
if,
once
once,
we
ever
were
to
get
open
you'll
be
able
to
really
see
the
appreciation
for
understanding
what
the
history
here
in
this
community
and
that
particular
building.
One
thing
that
we
do,
that
is
very
unique.
Is
we
have
three
different
types
of
scholarship?
It
gives
scholarship
a
boost,
scholarship
and
a
Civic
scholarship.
Civic
scholarships
are
for
City
staff,
fire
departments,
police
departments,
people
that
don't
really
have
access
to
this
kind
of
space.
We
actually
allow
them
to
use
these
spaces
for
free.
Q
We
do
the
same
for
startups,
for
people
that
don't
have
access
to
Capital,
maybe
can't
afford
to
you
know,
belong
to
one
of
our
locations.
We
also
grant
them
in
for
free
and
then
our
give
scholarship
is
for
non-profits
that
are
doing
good
in
your
community.
That
usually
don't
have
a
place
to
go
to
work.
They
usually
have
a
place
to
do
their
board
meetings.
They
don't
have
a
place
to
do
a
fundraiser.
You
know
things
like
that.
Q
The
Partnerships
we
have
in
the
community
and
as
I
mentioned
made
whole
will
be
as
a
local
operator
that
will
be
providing
the
food
and
beverage
concept
at
cohatch.
These
are
just
some
examples
of
some
of
the
Adaptive
reuse
that
we've
done
most.
A
lot
of
these
buildings
are
going
to
the
oldest
one.
We've
done
is
160
years
old
that
we've
repurposed
and
brought
back
to
life.
This
is
one
in
Springfield
Ohio.
Q
This
one
is
also
that
was
our
first
location,
Cincinnati
Ohio,
almost
identical
space
is
here
it's
three
stories.
Although
yours,
although
the
tarpon
one,
is
two
but
very
walkable,
Community
zero
parking
on
the
Main
Street,
zero
Municipal
parking,
nowhere
near
the
parking
that
we
saw
today,
we've
had
no
stress
on
the
community
as
a
result
of
our
use.
Q
This
is
Lakeland
which
just
opened
up
right
on
Main
Street
right
on
the
park
in
in
downtown
Lakeland
we
opened
about
two
weeks
ago.
They
have
similar
again
issues
mostly
street
parking,
very
few
Municipal
Lots
around
we're,
not
creating
any
stress
in
that
environment
and
if
you
ever
had
a
chance
to
get
over
to
see
what
our
our
product
looks
like.
This
was
a
again
originally
the
post
office
of
Lakeland
100
plus
years
ago.
Q
1902
is
when
the
building
was
built
and
we
brought
this
back
to
life,
and
it's
really
serving
the
community
well
already
downtown
St
Pete,
another
historical
repurposing
of
an
old
hotel
and
then
in
West
Tampa.
This
is
a
community
that
the
the
multiple
blocks
that
just
basically
abandoned
buildings
that
we're
going
in
and
repurposing
with
several
other
Partners
to
bring
this
whole
block
back
to
life
and
we're
very
excited
about
this
project
as
well.
Q
Our
vision
for
Tarpon
is
really
to
continue
to
build
out
the
the
sites
within
the
region
to
be
able
to
serve
the
different
members
across
the
region
really
connecting
to
the
community.
As
I
mentioned,
our
design
team
and
our
construction
team
really
spent
a
tremendous
amount
of
time.
Understanding
the
history
of
the
building
understand
the
history
of
the
community
to
be
able
to
incorporate
that
into
our
design.
Q
These
are
some
of
the
different
amenities
that
will
be
available.
The
meeting
rooms
we
have
game
rooms
for
people,
so
their
kids
can
come
to
our
spaces.
We've
got
kitchenettes
and
kind
of
a
place
for
it
to
gather
these
are
really
more
like
a
town
hall
2.0.
This
is
not
a
traditional
co-working,
which
is
why
we
would
never
say
that
we're
going
to
come
in
and
bring
something
that
doesn't
add
value
to
the
community.
Q
You
already
seen
the
site
plan,
so
I
won't
review
any
of
these
things.
I
think
just
one
quick
understanding,
because
I
think
this
is
to
the
parking
and
some
of
the
use,
questions.
The
the
left
and
the
right
side
so
left
side
is,
is
the
food.
The
right
side
is
part
of
the
cohatch
and
we
have
a
shared
space
that
sits
in
between.
So
during
the
day,
it's
used
more
for
cohatch,
more
for
kind
of
meetings
and
then
at
night
it
can
be
a
little
bit
of
overflow
for
seating
for
the
restaurant.
Q
This
is
these
I
think
the
restaurants
total
about
3
500
square
feet.
So
it's
not
very
big,
so
we
try
to
again
get
maximum
use
out
of
the
space
so
that
our
both
our
members
and
the
everyday
customers
that
made
whole
will
be
able
to
have
a
great
experience,
and
the
second
floor
is
is
mostly
private
office.
Q
You
can
see.
Most
of
these
are
singles,
so
it's
one
person
you
walk
in
any
of
our
locations,
any
of
the
given
offices.
Maybe
half,
are
being
used
at
any
given
time.
It's
just
not
a
business
model
that
everyone,
the
whole
purpose
of
being
a
small
business
owner
is,
you
don't
have
to
go
to
some
place,
eight
to
five
every
day
and
that's
the
beauty
of
our
model,
particularly
in
a
post-covered
world,
as
you
all
know
that
this
is
the
shape
of
the
building
today,
and
this
is
that
street.
I
Q
By
the
year
yeah,
so
the
private
offices,
think
of
like
an
apartment,
people
are
going
to
use,
that's
their
theirs.
It's
got
a
lock
on
it.
No
one
else
can
use
it,
so
it's
only
their
space.
So
there's
one
up
to
a
four-person
private
offices.
Most
of
the
offices.
People
like
a
four
person,
is
probably
two
people
using
it.
Q
It's
just
the
really
way
we
price
it
based
on
the
size
of
it
and
then
there's
co-working
members,
which
would
be
somebody
that
does
not
have
a
office
but
can
just
use
all
the
open
area
can
use
the
meeting
rooms.
You
can
use
the
the
you
know
larger
kind
of
median
event
space,
so
they
have
access
to
that
in
all
of
our
locations
around
the
city.
So
it's
not
just
this
location,
they
can
be
a
member
of
they
can
be
a
member
of
any
location.
So.
I
Q
They're
all
one
to
two
year,
memberships
for
the
most
part
you
can
do
month
to
month,
but
almost
probably
90
something
percent
of
ours
are
people
want
to
lock
it
up
because
they
know
there's
only
a
few
of
them,
so
they
don't
get
access
to
that
many
of
them,
and
so
those
are
generally
for
that
and
they
maybe
20
30
percent,
will
turn
over
on
a
given
year.
So
you'll
have
new
people
come
in
and
take
over
those
offices.
Someone
maybe
gets
too
big.
I
My
last
question
with
the
other
locations:
do
you
keep
flow
statistics
as
to
what
the
flow
is
like
during
with
these
with
those
locations?
Yeah.
Q
I
mean
we've
been
in
business
for
six
years.
It's
our
seventh
year
in
business.
You
will
look
Monday
Tuesday,
Wednesday,
Thursday
Friday.
Q
You
can
almost
not
predict
exactly
what's
going
to
happen
any
given
day
so,
but
what
I
can
say
is
I
I've
been
working
out
of
one
myself
for
four
years
and
you'll
I,
don't
think
I've
ever
had
more
than
20
30
people
at
one
time
in
our
building.
Ours
is
13
000
square
feet.
It's
almost
the
exact
same
size
as
this.
It's
in
a
walkable.
You
know
Community
as
well.
It's
just
because
people
will
leave
they'll
come
in
for
two
hours,
they'll
leave
and
other
people.
Q
So
maybe
over
the
course
of
a
day
you
may
have
50
60
70
different
people
in
and
out,
but
it's
it's
never
like
everybody
there
at
once
and
that's
six
years
of
history
of
doing
it
again.
I
think
it's
because
that's
the
nature
of
the
work
style
for
most
people
is
they're,
just
not
sitting
there
all
day
long.
Thank
you
sure.
Great
questions.
E
You
want
me
to
yeah
go
ahead.
Do
any
of
your
other
buildings,
have
a
parking
lease
agreements
with
neighboring,
Properties
or
off-site
parking
agreements
with
other
properties,
I.
Q
F
I'm
familiar
with
the
Oxford
Exchange
in
Tampa
I,
don't
know
if
you're
familiar
with
it,
the
Oxford
Exchange
has
the
it
looks
similar
to
one
of
some
of
your
other
again.
I
can't
tell
from
the
other
pictures.
It
didn't
have
necessarily
a
whole
bunch
of
small
offices.
It
had
meeting
rooms
and
then
a
much
larger
common
space
with
tables
for
people
to
bring
their
laptops
and
sit
down
and
work.
F
I
think
what
you
know,
what
concern
I
again:
I'm,
not
going
to
speak
for
anybody
else.
What
concerned
me
when
we
got
down
to
this
parking
compatibility
issue?
We
had
was
the
number
of
offices
I,
hear
what
you're
saying
and
I'm
not
disagreeing
that
what
you're
you
know,
you're
being
forthright,
but
the
I
have
a
hard
time
wrapping
my
my
head
around
the
ifs,
if
it's
a
single
office
use
and
somebody
has
got
a
designated
office,
so
you
have
you've,
got
these
two
Arrangements
right.
F
You
have
this
membership
kind
of
thing
where
somebody
can
come
and
hang
out
in
the
center
area
and
and
maybe
use
a
meeting
room,
and
then
you
have
actual
lease
agreements
with
individual
businesses
or
guys
in
business.
You
would
suspect.
So
why?
Wouldn't
somebody
who
has
a
single
unit,
be
there
I
mean
if
he's,
if
he's
working
from
home,
he
wouldn't
necessarily
need
a
single
unit
because
he
can't
meet
anybody
there.
F
Unless
you
know
he
meets
him
in
the
in
the
general
area,
then
why
would
he
want
a
unit
and
have
to
pay?
You
know
have
to
be
on
a
one
or
two
year,
lease
agreement,
so
I
think
that's
there's
so
many
rooms
here
I
mean,
and
maybe
the
architect
can
answer
how
many
offices
are
there
here.
F
So
and
I
think
that's
what
concerns
us
with
certain
concerns
me
with
the
what
intensity
it's
going
to
put
on
parking
again.
We
have
and
I
think
there's
a
business
owner
here
that
probably
will
get
up
and
speak
I
I
assume
he
will
give
us
so
the
you
know
right
now.
We
don't.
We
have
mostly
small,
like
retail,
we've
got
a
you
know,
coffee
shop
people
come,
maybe
you
know,
maybe
they
would
park
there
for
an
hour,
walk
around
downtown.
F
There's
it's
not
that
big,
a
downtown
and
they
could
walk
around
in
an
hour,
pretty
much
check
every
shop
out
and
then
get
in
a
car
and
go
home
the
same
thing
with
some
guy
at
a
coffee
shop.
Now,
if
we've
got
30
potential
businesses
there,
that
could
show
up
at
nine
o'clock
in
the
morning
and
stay
till
five,
then
it
would
potentially
disrupt
you
know
the
ability
of
these
more
transient
businesses
to
have
access
to
parking.
You
know
that's
more
convenient,
otherwise
they're.
F
F
D
P
Obviously
it's
totally
business
dependent
and
I
can
only
speak
as
far
as
myself
in
a
in
a
design
business
in
architecture,
I'm
out
of
my
office,
I
would
say
at
least
40
to
50
of
the
time
I'm
meeting
with
clients,
I'm
meeting
with
Engineers
I'm
on
the
job
site,
I'm,
visiting
buildings,
I'm
I'm,
taking
field
measurements,
and-
and
that's
you
know
a
long
established
50-year,
plus
company
and
and
so
I
would
say,
the
more
entrepreneurial,
a
business,
the
more
likely
they
are
to
be
out
and
about
in
in
the
community.
Q
Again,
we
have
six
years
of
operating
history,
the
nature
of
our
clients,
because
you
have
everything
from
marketing
people
to
insurance
sales,
people
to
Realtors
to
small
Tech
startups.
You
have
some
larger
companies
and
now
have
given
stipends
to
their
people.
They
can
work
wherever
they
want,
so
you
got
that
going
on
so,
but
people
still
like
to
have
that
work,
flexibility.
That
is
the
purpose
of
coax.
S
Q
Q
They
were
built
on
that
kind
of
model
because
you
had
to
go
to
work
and
you
had
to
go
downtown
that
those
days
are
gone
and
we
never
were
in
that
business.
We
don't
do
downtown
locations.
We
do
walkable
Suburban
Urban
walkable
communities,
that
is
our
bread
and
butter.
That's
who
we
are
I
just
I
only
can
tell
you
is
that
small
business
owners
don't
like
to
go
to
the
office
10
hours
a
day.
Q
That's
not
what
they
do
and
that's
I
mean
that
if
anyone's
been
in
a
small
business,
you
guys
would
know
that
you
don't
want
to
go
sit
in
one
place
in
a
box
for
10
hours
a
day,
you're
gonna
go
in
and
out
as
you
want.
As
you
choose,
you
might
not
even
sit
in
your
your
office
you're
going
to
be
out
in
the
open
area,
because
that's
just
that's
even
more
fun,
sometimes
to
be
doing
that
right.
Q
F
And
we
take
this
relationship
with
you
guys
very
seriously:
I
I,
I,
I
I
think
the
concept
is,
is
cool
and
great
I
think
it's.
You
know
I
like
it.
It's
again
a
compatibility.
Can
we
go
back
to
a
couple?
Some
of
your
interior
pictures
see
like
okay,
so
there
again
I
it's
I
see
a
lot
of
open
space.
Yeah.
D
Q
But
this
is
like,
so
this
is
the
second
floor,
so
this
is
where
you
see
some
of
the
co-working
and
some
of
the
little
offices
up
there
second
floor
code
again
see
the
offices
we
don't
like
most
core
incomes.
They
would
probably
put
60
offices
in
this.
That's
not
what
we
do
we're
not
about
jamming
a
bunch
of
people
into
those
little
glass.
Q
F
Mean
again,
the
Oxford
Exchange
has
little
phone
rooms,
they.
F
Q
I
Q
P
The
net
for
the
entire
cohatch
space,
all
of
the
office
spaces,
including
phone
booths
offices,
meeting
rooms,
kitchenette
the
net
for
the
entire
cohatch,
is
5872.
On
the
second
floor
and.
I
Q
Plan
that
depends
on
the
demand,
but
it's
not.
We
don't
necessarily
donate
as
many
of
the
offices
the
offices
could
be.
We
have
non-profits
that
use
the
offices,
but
we
donate
are
the
are
the
co-working
scholarships,
so
those
with
co-working
memberships
is
what
we
donate
and
they're
selected
non-profits.
That
would
also
have
offices
as
well,
but
most
of
90.
Something
percent
of
the
officers
are
going
to
be
fully
paid,
the
commercial
because
they
help
that
which
helps
fund
us
doing
the
scholarships.
O
I
O
First
of
all,
I
applaud
your
your
efforts
for
preservation
and,
and
you
know,
maintenance
of
of
that
building,
certainly,
and
also
as
as
for
mentioned,
the
scholarship
and
Community
participation
and
and
integration.
My
only
question
is
yet:
you
have
other
comparative
properties,
some
in
the
vicinity
here
and
some
elsewhere
in
the
country.
Do
any
of
those
also
have
the
mixed
use
of
restaurant
and
office
and
being
that
you
responded
affirmatively
have
you
seen
any
overlap,
concerns
with
parking?
O
A
Q
They're
very
symmetrical,
and
it
really
is
perfect
for
us
they
comp
they
complement
what
we're
already
doing
so,
for
example,
if
we
have
a
a
corporate
event,
you
know,
let's
say
someone's
doing
a
you
know:
15
person
meeting
the
food
beverage
can
come
over
and
serve
them
and
they
can
do
or
they
have
a
meeting
they're
doing
a
happy
hour
with
here.
So
it's
it
really
just
creates
this
incredible
Community
Building,
because
meals
is
how
you
really
create
Community.
That's.
D
Q
We
like
to
do
it,
it
doesn't
fit
for
every
location,
but
when
it's
walkable
like
this,
which
a
great
walkable
downtown
like
Tarpon
Springs,
it's
a
perfect
match
for
it
and
they
do
because
what
most
people
realize
is
the
office
part
actually
doesn't
create
any
stress
I.
Most
people,
you
would
think,
would
be
pushing
back
on
the
restaurant
side,
but
because
it's
one
hour
two
hour
in
and
out
people
don't
really
push
back
on
it.
But
we
don't
see
any
stress
from
the
office
side.
D
Q
O
And
the
restaurant
is
proposed
to
be
open
to
the
public
lunch
dinner
right,
but
being
all
the
concerns
brought
about
parking?
That's
that's
my
concern.
If
you're
going
to
have
a
preponderance
of
attendance
at
the
building
at
times,
that
may
overlap
that
that,
may
you
know,
be
a
a
point
of
concern.
Yeah.
Q
N
Q
Yeah,
you
could
have
anywhere
between
50
and
100.
What
we
call
co-working
members
and
those
people
have
restrictions
on
there's
different
four
different
levels
from
you
can
use
it
for
eight
hours
a
month.
All
the
way
up
to
you
can
use
it
unlimited,
which
means
you
can
come
at
any
time.
24
7,
7
days
a
week,
so
that
all
varies
based
on
the
membership
level
that
you
have,
but
we
typically
are
going
to
have
I
would
seem.
Q
Brown
in
this
community
is
probably
75
to
100,
eventually
co-working
members
over
the
next
two
years
that
you
would
probably
have
of
which
they're
usually
in
once
a
week
twice
a
week
on
average,
most
co-working
members,
some
some
join
they're
there
once
a
month
because
they
just
they
want
to
use
it
for
personal
use.
They
don't
use
it
for
work,
they'll
use
it
for
their.
You
know
their
family
birthday
party
they'll
use
it
for
a
wedding.
Q
You
know
a
baby
shower
or
something
like
that,
something
where
again,
you
can't
do
it
in
your
home,
and
you
take
a
great
space
like
this.
With
a
nice
meeting
room,
you
can
actually
celebrate
and
do
things
that
you
normally
can't
do
in
your
home.
So
that's
that's
really
why
a
lot
of
people
end
up
with
a
co-working
membership
outside
of
just
the
work
reason.
Well,.
N
N
Q
Members
when
they
come
in
to
our
space-
and
they
say,
hey
I,
they
they
come
in,
for
maybe
you
say
coming
from
a
business
meeting
like
wow.
This
place
is
awesome,
and
so
then
they
end
up
may
join
as
a
member,
and
then
they
know
that
they
can
actually
use
it
for
not
just
work.
They
can
meet
their
after
work.
For
a
friend
have
a
coffee.
They
have
a
book
club
that
they
want
to
meet.
That's
the
whole
point
of
the
using
coax
as
a
community
space.
Q
It's
not
just
for
going
to
work
from
eight
to
five.
That's
why
you
don't
have
the
parking
stress,
because
it's
not
an
eight
to
five
heavy
use
business,
it's
different
hours
of
the
day
different
times!
That's
why
communities
love
us!
That's
why
we're
asked
into
most
communities
to
come
in
because
they
understand
that's
what
their
Community
needs.
Well,.
N
Q
F
F
F
The
center
I
saw
the
pictures,
so
have
you
considered
increasing
the
co-working
space
and
reducing
the
number
of
offices?
Could
you
could
your
model
work
with
less
offices
and
more
open
space.
Q
We
already
test
the
downside
of
the
office
space
in
all
of
our
locations
again
compared
to
anyone
doing
this
kind
of
product
anywhere
in
the
country.
We
have
the
lowest
square
footage
allocated
to
private
office,
as
as
it
relates
to
them
the
co-working,
the
meeting
spaces,
the
phone
booths,
these
I
guess
full
access
space
parts
of
the
space,
because
it's
not
it's
not
the
highest
density.
It's
not
a
high
density
use.
We
need
it
from
a
revenue
generation
right.
Q
Revenue
so
we've
we
already
kind
of
bring
it
down
to
the
lowest
possible
because
we
actually
want
the
flow
we
don't
want
it
to
be.
A
bunch
of
officers
want
to
be
this
open,
Flow,
which
you
feel,
even
though
it
looks
on
a
floor
plan
like
it's
that
when
you
actually
walk
around
the
space,
it
doesn't
feel
like
that.
E
I
I
have
just
a
couple:
do
you
have
a
limit
on
the
co-working
memberships.
Q
Not
today,
because
we
don't
these,
we
have
lots
of
locations
around
the
community.
So
they're,
just
you
don't
get
you
don't
you
don't
usually
go
over
100,
typically
in
the
locations
that
we've
got.
E
P
I
have
everything
sorry
I,
have
everything
calculated
with
the
the
code
required
occupant
Factor?
That's
not
necessarily
the
number
of
seats.
Okay,
well,.
E
I
was
actually
going
to
ask
you
about
the
numbers:
okay,
okay,
so
you
don't
have
number
of
seats,
but
I
was
going
to
ask
you
that
was
my
next
question
was
what
the
occupancy
limits
of
the
building
are
both
for
your
events
and
for
your
co-working
space.
What
your
your
actual
occupancy
pursuant
to
the
fire
code
would
be.
T
P
D
P
Floors
and
that's
obviously,
that's
a
that's
a
code
requirement
that
we
use
typically
to
size
the
egress.
So
that's
how
we
sized
the
stairs
the
stairs
for
for
exiting.
That's
not
that's!
That's
not
a
a
usage.
D
P
L
E
N
Q
This
is
that's
a
meteor
mole,
but
to
the
right
you
see
this
straight
ahead.
That
would
be
an
office
and
then
to
the
right
would
be
offices
on
this
right
side.
Q
So
one
two
I
think
there's
like
three
or
four
offices
in
that
hallway.
We
don't
take
pictures
of
the
hallway
because
there
are
the
obstacles,
there's
nothing
in
them.
It's
the
meeting
rooms
and
the
co-working
that
the
renderings
illustrate,
but
the
private
office
just
there's
nothing
in
them.
There's
no
furniture.
We
don't
provide.
I
A
All
right
that
would
get
us
up
to
to
the
public
comment
portion
of
our.
Thank
you
our
meeting.
Thank
you,
I'd
like
to
take
a
brief
break.
If
we
may
for
10
minutes
and
then
come
back
here
to
to
continue.
A
A
H
Hi,
my
name
is
Darla
early
and
my
address
is
121
Colony
South
Drive
here
in
Tarpon,
Springs
I.
Suppose
it's
more
of
a
comment
than
a
question,
although
there
is
a
question
in
my
mind
that
I
would
hope
they
might
address
I'm
familiar
with
this
concept,
because,
actually,
a
few
years
ago,
I
looked
into
it
for
myself,
where
I
used
to
live,
and
it
was
actually
a
satellite,
a
universally
satellite
that
failed
and
they
it
was
a
huge
massive
building
and
they
turned
it
into
this
concept.
H
Although
it
did
not
contain
a
restaurant
and
it
did
not
have
a
place
for
events
and
when
I
was
listening
to
everyone
talk
that
was,
that
was
my
concern.
I
was
when
I
would
go
back
and
forth
to
this
place.
The
people
who
had
the
offices
there
were
hardly
ever
any
cars
there,
so
it
the
the
concern
for
parking
I
propose,
would
be
more
towards
events.
H
That
should
be
the
worry,
not
the
offices
and
I'm,
just
I'm
hoping
it'll
be
addressed
a
little
bit.
That
was
my
personal
concern.
Based
on
my
experience.
Thank
you.
S
My
name
is
vasili
faklis,
actually
on
the
building,
139
East
Tarpon
Avenue.
Next
to
this
building,
I'm
not
I.
Just
have
some
quick
comments.
I
don't
know
if
we
can
ask
questions
I'm,
not
necessarily
speaking
for
or
against
I'm
just
I'm,
for
this
looks
beautiful
I'm.
Definitely
for
I,
don't
want
to
see
a
vacant
building
there
anymore
we've
gone
through
rats,
we've
gone
through
homeless
people.
My
roof
was
flooded
this
weekend
because.
S
Not
it's
not
your
fault
but
because
homeless
were
up
there
and
in
all
sorts
of
trash
was
on
my
roof
anyway,
so
I'm
all
for
bringing
more
people
down
town
that
have
disposable
income
that
can
come
and
spend
money
in
my
business
and
other
businesses.
S
Parking
is
a
concern,
but
it
always
has
been
a
concern
and
I
know:
I'm,
not
blaming
the
city.
I
know
the
city
says
they're
trying,
but
I'd
like
to
see
more
more
commitment
than
we're
trying
the
the
parking
lot
on
the
corner
of
Alternate
19
and
Tarpon
Avenue.
That's
been
called
mother
mir's
parking
lot
well
that
was
donated
by
bought
and
purchased
and
built
by
several
business
owners.
S
My
father
and
my
uncle
Mr
tarapani
some
other
people
and
gave
that
to
the
city
for
a
dollar,
and
since
then
we
haven't
seen
a
whole
lot.
Some
additional
parking
has
come
in,
but
we've
also
had
a
lot
of
new
restaurants
and
whatnot
the
parking
lot
next
to
us.
On
the
east
side,
we
pushed
for
that
parking
lot
as
well
and
we
were
actually
were
fought
by
the
city
and
the
Chamber
of
Commerce.
At
the
time
we
don't
need
parking
downtown.
Yes,.
L
S
S
E
A
question
or
what
I
typically
do-
and
this
is
at
the
discretion
of
the
chairman-
is
when
members
of
the
public
come
up
and
ask
questions
either
for
the
applicant
or
for
staff.
I
just
request
that
the
applicant
or
staff
take
note
of
the
question
and
then
answer
those
questions
during
their
rebuttal
time.
If
that's,
okay,
okay,.
S
S
Right,
okay,
so
that
so
that
was
a
question
because
it
is
usable
and
we
we
also-
there
was
a
dumpster
behind
that
building.
That
was
the
common
dumpster
and
the
garbage
trucks
did
come
down
there,
and
then
it
was
moved
later
to
the
city
parking
lot
behind
the
tavern
and
also
UPS
FedEx
trucks
do
come
down
the
alley
and
we
use
that
alley
every
single
day
for
for
our
use
and
and
some
customers
will
come
as
well.
S
So
that
was
a
concern
where
the
city
and
maybe
I
misunderstood,
but
I
heard
that
that's
not
a
usable
alley
and
I
hope.
I
didn't
hear
that
that's
going
to
be
turned
into
just
where
no
traffic
is
coming
down,
because
I
would
be
adamantly
against
that,
because
then
that
shuts
my
business
down,
and
so
my
my
definite
concern
for
parking
is
for
people.
Is
that
my
time
yes,
I
can
come
and
come
to
the
business
patronize
the
business
and
leave
so.
A
Thank
you,
the
next
member
of
the
public
wishing
to
comment.
A
All
right,
seeing
none
we'll
we'll
close
public
comments.
Would
the
staff
like
to
make
rebuttal
comments.
J
Just
to
answer
Mr
fackless,
Question,
yeah,
I,
think
I,
think
I
said
the
alley
is
limited,
so
it's
some
parts
of
it
are
narrow,
seven
and
a
half
feet
wide
and
I
I
think
we
did
go
over
that.
Yes,
the
current
businesses
are
using
it
as
far
as
I,
know
and
Miss
lemons
could
confirm.
The
alley
will
not
be
closed
off.
J
It's
just
that
it
will
be
made
more
attractive
to
pedestrians,
I
guess
what
I
meant
was
we
don't
have
like
other
alleys
in
the
city
where
traffic
can
drive
through
on
a
regular
basis.
We
don't
really
have
that
the
traffic
in
the
Ali
is
oriented
to
the
business.
J
That's
really,
primarily,
it's
not
a
busy
alley
that
the
people
go
up
and
down
in
automobiles
and
obviously,
when
you
come
in
from
well
either
side
really
and
see
how
narrow
it
is,
it's
not
real
attractive
to
somebody
who's,
just
driving
down
the
street
and
thinks
well,
you
know
I
can
go
down
this
alley,
like
other
alleys
in
the
city,
so
it's
it's
limited
but
and
it
is,
it
is
available,
but
really
it's
a
localized
use
type
of
environment.
J
D
J
F
Calling
it
now
the
Tarpon
Tavern
parking
lot
if
they
are
walking
to
this
spot
coming
down
the
alley,
rather
than
going
around
to
Tarpon
Avenue
their
room
for
them
to
walk
all
the
way
to
across
and
to
that
location
and
a
car
to
come.
At
the
same
time,.
D
E
And
just
real
quickly,
while
she's
doing
that,
I
forget
if
it's
in
the
manual
of
uniform
traffic
control
devices
or
if
it's
in
the
fdot
administrative
code.
But
those
documents
contain
standards
regarding
widths
of
roadways,
how
wide
they
have
to
be
for
two-way
traffic,
how
wide
they
have
to
be
for
pedestrians,
how
wide
they
have
to
be
for
bicycles.
E
So
there
are
some
objective
standards
that
the
city
could
rely
on
with
respect
to
traffic
flow,
where
it's
limited
by
the
width
of
the
roadway,
so
whether
it's
seven
and
a
half
feet
10
or
14
feet.
That
width
can
be
measured
out
in
standards
to
determine
whether
or
not
it's
available
for
traffic
and
or
pedestrians
or
other
types
of
multimodal
Transportation.
J
So
I
don't
have
the
measurement
and
I
don't
know
what
happened
to
the
remote
at
the
moment.
But
if
you
look
to
the
West
on
North,
hibiscus
you'll
see
that
the
alley
Narrows
to
seven
and
a
half
feet
as
you
come
in
from
there
and
then
on
the
east
on
Safford.
It's
also
narrow
in
the
middle
it's
at
least
10
might
be
14
or
15
like
a
standard
alley
in
Tarpon.
So
if
you're
Crossing
from
Orange
Street
over
to
this
you're
in
the
wider
portion
of
the
alley,
okay.
F
J
A
K
F
K
F
D
F
K
Mean
I
think
that's
a
yeah
I
think
that's
a
legitimate
question.
I
think
that
they
will.
You
know
you
will
have
people
potentially
walking
down.
This
I
mean
we've.
You
know
I'm
trying
to
think
where
else
we've
got
this
situation,
where
we've
got
uses
in
the
back,
in
fact,
actually
they
actually
may
have
headed
here
when
this
was
operating
as
a
bar.
That's
right,
people
came
down
yeah
people,
I
mean
this
was
an
active
space
with
outdoor
seating
and
entertainment
and
stuff
in
the
past.
This
has
functioned.
Q
As
it
relates
to
the
event,
question
that
I
think
was
asked,
I
showed
you
that
room
it's
the
in
between
space
between
these
two
spaces.
It's
either
gonna.
It's
either
used
for
seating
for
the
restaurant
or
it
could
be
used
for
a
small
20
person,
25
person
Gathering,
that's
quote
unquote
and
event
space,
we're
not
talking
about
100
person,
event
space.
We
don't
have
that
in
our
location.
That's
a
great
question,
but
they're
really
small.
It's
not
a
big
room,
our
version
of
an
event.
Q
It's
a
bad
word
in
some
people's
minds,
because
we
we
mean
yeah,
you
have
a
birthday
party
with
15
20
people
I
mean
that's,
that's.
We
call
that
an
event.
It's
not
really
an
event.
Technically,
as
it
relates
to
the
the
back
activation,
we
could
obviously
be
serving
from
the
front.
We
wouldn't
have
like
a
way
a
Hostess
or
anything
went
in
the
back
to
be
able
to
access
the
space.
That
way
we
even
have
I,
think
the
planners
and
all
that
stuff.
Q
So
it's
kind
of
blocked
off
we'd
be
happy
to
look
at
other
ways.
We
can
reduce
something
there
if
that's
helpful
in
any
way,
but
we-
we
didn't
know
that
that
intricacy
of
that
detail
that
you
guys
just
talked
about
so
we'd,
be
happy
to
look
at
that.
A
S
The
only
thing
that
you
know
like
I
said
was
was
was
the
the
concern
of
of
the
alley
and
and
concern
of
of
of
parking
I
think
everything
you
know.
Look
it
looks
great
and
I
want
to
bring
more
people
down,
but
I
do
want
to
see
you
know
I.
We
do
have
to
see
more
commitment
or
a
commitment
from
the
city
for
more
parking
for
all
of
us,
so
I'm
just
for
I'm
for
progress,
but
so
we
can
have
plenty
of
parking
for
everyone.
So
that's
all.
C
F
I'll
go
ahead
and
start
off.
The
I
am
generally
in
favor
of.
F
F
F
I
think
that
we
can
address
that
later.
If
parking
does
become
an
issue
and
and
the
the
tenants
there
are
dominating
the
street
parking
on
Main
Street.
That
causes
issues
for
the
other
businesses
that
require
more
transient
kind
of
traffic,
that
you
know
we
could
turn
to
the
city,
and
you
know
at
get.
You
know
one
hour
two
hour
max
parking
on
the
street
and
then
just
require
that
so
I
think
there's
a
way
to
deal
with
that.
F
I
think
that
the
issue
for
the
other
board
members
I
think
is
this
going
to
be.
You
know
the
the
again,
the
type
of
business
and
the
and
the
parking
the
again
we
have
the
we
short
of
having
a
study.
We
just
have
anecdotal
things
that
we
have
parking
issues.
F
I
I
think
that
at
some
point
we
definitely
have
to
address
sparking
whether
it's
a
parking
garage
is
needed
right
now
or
not.
I
mean
that's
a
whole
nother
subject
for
for
the
Board
of
Commissioners
to
deal
with.
F
You
know,
I
think
that
we
should
I
I,
like
the
idea
that
our
City
attorney
mentioned
about
making
some
arrangement
with
some
of
these,
these
private
spaces,
where
you
could
actually
have
designated
parking
and
then
being
able
to
somehow
steer
your
members
to
use
those
that
space.
That
may
be
something
I.
F
E
So
with
that,
you
know,
I
I
heard
the
concerns
that
you
know
you
all
were
voicing
with
your
questions
and
and
with
some
of
the
discussion
that
you
had,
which
is
why
you
know
I
even
asked
that
the
problem
that
I
have
with
making
it
conditional
is
currently
the
wording
of
your
code,
because
if
you
conditioned
the
approval
on
that
and
made
that
a
requirement,
it
almost
is
going
to
be,
like
think
of
it
as
a
judge,
legislating
from
the
bench
right,
because
that's
not
how
your
code
reads.
E
Your
code
reads
that
this
area
is
exempt
from
that,
so
that
that
was
kind
of
where
I
was
going
and
I
was
hoping
that
you
know
the
applicant
would
take
that
into
consideration,
particularly
when
they
bring
this
before
the
Board
of
Commissioners.
But
I
cannot
advise
you
to
make
that
a
condition
at
this
time
can.
F
Can
it
be
a
rather
than
having
it
be
a
a
straight
up
condition?
Can
it
be
a
in
in
the
motion
and
a
directive
to
because
we're
an
Advisory
board
can.
F
A
recommendation
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners
that
they
address
that
with
the
applicant
and
maybe
between
now
and
the
time
that
you
go
before
the
Board
of
Commissioners.
The
applicant
may
be
able
to
bring.
E
Technically,
the
Board
of
Commissioners
will
be
bound
by
the
their
code,
the
same
way
that
you're
bound
by
the
code
right.
So
they
can't.
They
can't
change
it
in
that
manner,
but
they
can
again
recommend
that
they
come
forward
with
that
and
if
they
even
come
forward
with
a
lease
in
hand
to
the
final
hearing
meeting,
then
that's
just
even
better,
showing
that
they're
doing
their
due
diligence
and
moving
forward
to
get
those
types
of
agreements
in.
F
Place
and
then
maybe
our
our
City
Economic
Development
person
can
maybe
help
in
Expediting
or
in
in
coordinating
some
of
that
with
some
of
the
local
businesses
I.E,
the
truest
bank
or
one
of
these
other
attorney,
LaTour
or
or
that
other
piece
of
off
the
public
library.
So
how
can
how
can
I
put
that
into
a
possible
Amendment
and
ask
Mr
vessey
if
he
would
put
that.
E
Right,
so
if
you
want
to
make
that
Amendment
to
the
motion,
so
the
motion
is
to
recommend
approval
with
the
six
conditions
and
then
both
the
maker
of
the
motion,
and
the
second
would
have
to
both
agree
that
they
were
adding
that
as
a
recommendation
that
the
applicant
seek
a
private
lease
for
a
dedicated
parking
spaces.
D
B
B
Who's
very
Earnest
in
listening
is
probably
already
miles
ahead
of
us
in
regards
because
it
makes
good
sense
I,
don't
as
long
as
it
is
just
a
recommendation
and
it
doesn't
put
any
additional
hindrance
upon
the
applicant
of
which
they've
already
shown
a
really
good
faith.
Effort
to
me.
So
as
long
as
council's
comfortable
that
that
is
just
a
recommendation,
I
would
like
to
amend
my
motion
to
include
the
recommendation
that
there's
a
pursuit
of
perhaps
finding
a
do.
I
even
want
a
word
to
use
lease.
A
Original
okay
I'd
like
to
say
that
I
I
think
the
the
good
certainly
outweighs
the
bad
I
I
share
my
board
member's
concern
about
parking,
but
I
think
it's.
It's
largely
a
larger
issue
that
the
the
city
does
need
to
address
with
a
a
complete
professional
traffic
or
traffic
and
parking
survey
of
of
the
downtown
area
and
and
setting
aside
some
money
to
to
fund
some
parking
improvements
or
to
continue
to
fund.
A
They
have
they've
done
a
lot,
but
I
I
think
that's
going
to
be
the
long-term
solution
to
the
problem
and
it
it
certainly
is
a
problem,
and
maybe
some.
A
I
I'd
like
to
add
that
my
review
and
assessment
that
the
concept
and
plan
it's
attractive,
I
take
note
to
what
Mr
facklis
says
that
it's
good
to
have
new
business
that
actually
contributes
to
economic
prosperity,
to
the
adjacent
business
owners
and
and
that's
that's
important
I,
also
like
the
fact
that
they
are
offering
that
scholarship
plan,
which
is
something
that
the
city
can
benefit
from
as
well
as
Charities
that
are
involved.
So
I
think
that's
a
good
plan.
O
Just
that
I
I
agree
with
the
Chairman's
concern
about
the
the
parking
regulatory
facts.
At
the
moment.
That's
a
static
condition
doesn't
mean
it
can't
change.
O
It
might
be
a
little
bit
of
short
notice
for
the
applicant,
but
in
addition
to
maintaining
this
search
for
additional
parking,
since
you
have
other
comparative
uses
in
other
areas,
could
there
be
some
research
into
those
jurisdictions
as
to
how
they've
managed
growth
to
include
yours,
to
say
what
what
are
some
viable
Alternatives
going
forward
for
the
parking
in
Downtown
Tarpon
Springs,
just
an
inquiry,
and
if
you
come
upon
some
information
or
value,
you
could
share
that
with
the
Board
of
Commissioners
at
that
time.
D
C
D
A
All
right
before
we
go
into
the
next
item
is
item
7
application
2036.
Let's
have
a
brief
discussion
about
rearranging
our
our
agenda
for
the
for
the
evening
and
scheduling
a
special
meeting
next
Monday
to
address
the
legislative
agenda
portion
of
our
meeting
given
is
the
the
late
hour
and
the
time
that
I
suspect
will
spend
on
application
20-36.
So,
with
the
board's
approval,
we
will
defer
items
eight
through
11
on
the
agenda
to
a
special
meeting
scheduled
next.
Monday
can
I
have
a
motion
and
a
second.
F
K
I
just
do
what
one
thing
that
we
haven't
done
is
verified
that
this
space
would
be
available
on
Monday
night.
So
we
may
have
to
take
the
opportunity
to
maybe
hold
it
in
another
location
within
City
Hall,
so
it
may
not
be
televised
or
it
may
be
verb
You
Know
audio
recorded,
but
we
have
the
media
room
upstairs
where
we
can
hold
it
I'm,
just
not
100
sure
that
the
auditorium
is
not
otherwise
occupied
with
another
evening
meeting
I,
don't
believe
it
is,
but
we
just
need
to
check.
E
K
O
And
I
would
have
made
my
motion
to
include
that
date
and
that
time
room
to
be
determined.
Second,.
B
B
A
J
J
J
The
property
is
located
in
the
residential,
very
low
and
preservation
future
land
use
districts.
Both
of
those
are
allocated
density
of
one
dwelling
unit
per
acre
with
the
preservation
allocation
being
usable
in
the
Upland
area.
The
preservation
allocation
corresponds
to
the
wetlands
that
are
on
site,
so
there
are
is
a
total
allocation
of
52
units
to
this
property.
That's
the
subject
of
the
application:
the
zonings
on
site
are
agricultural
and
residential
plan
development.
J
The
residential
plan
development
is
left
over
from
a
previous
project,
was
never
built.
Part
of
it
was
sold
to
Pinellas
County
for
storm
water
for
the
Keystone
Road
upgrade.
So
the
agricultural
covers
most
of
the
property
40,
almost
43
Acres
one
thing
in
your
staff
report.
On
page
six,
we
did
provide
kind
of
an
estimate
of
the
number
of
units
that
you
could
potentially
build
on
the
property.
J
Obviously,
in
a
with
a
plaid
under
the
agricultural
zoning
and
the
current
oops
residential
plan
development-
and
we
came
up
with
27-
that's
based
on
a
30
000
square
foot
lot
requirement
under
agricultural,
but
it
doesn't
you
know
we
didn't,
can
take
into
account
all
the
infrastructure
layout
all
that
stuff.
So
that
would
probably
be
a
conservative
number
of
units
you.
D
J
J
Here's
where
the
site
is
located
north
of
Keystone
Road,
as
mentioned
it's
in
the
residential,
very
low
future
land
use
and
preservation,
future
land
use
categories.
Those
are
the
shaded
areas.
All
this
area,
that's
not
shaded,
is
in
unincorporated
Pinellas
County.
This
down
here
is
not
labeled,
that's
residential
low
in
the
city,
and
then
we
have
the
zoning,
which
is
agricultural
and
in
residential
plan
development
on
this
portion,
that's
owned
by
the
applicant
and
again
it
extends
down
to
Pinellas
County
odenland
as
well.
J
One
thing
we'll
talk
about
in
a
few
minutes:
most
of
the
zoning
for
a
good
portion
of
this
area
surrounding
this,
the
city
limits
really
in
the
county.
The
zoning
is
residential
residential
agricultural.
There
are
some
planned
developments.
Here's
one
here,
obviously
the
Cypress
Ridge
I-
think
it's
called
something
like
that
golf
course.
There's
a
couple
of
planned
developments.
Most
most
of
this
acreage
and
estate
type
and
large
lot
type
development
is
in
the
residential
agriculture
counties
is
owning.
J
This
is
the
county-wide
map
which
you
all
are
familiar.
We
have
to
comply
with
the
forward
Pinellas
county-wide
map
that,
over
that
basically
overlays
all
of
the
county
and
on
their
map.
We
have.
We
have
the
residential,
very
low
here
that
we
have
in
the
city
and
here's
the
property.
The
dark
green
is
Preservation
allocated
one
unit
per
acre
for
use
in
Uplands,
and
then
these
light
during
areas
are
all
allocated.
J
Residential
rural
at
half
a
unit
per
acre
matches
most
of
what
Pinellas
County's
future
land
use
map
also
shows
that's
always
confusing,
but
you
have
the
county-wide
map
that
that
is
the
one
we
answer
to
that
light.
Green
is
residential
rural
I
know
when
you
have
a
residential
low
medium
is
some
of
this
light
blue
across
Keystone
Road
from
the
property
okay.
So
this
property
was
annexed
over
different
years
up
to
a
total
of
about
69
and
a
half
acres
into
the
city.
J
When
it
was
annexed
into
the
city,
it
was
left
in
that
residential
rural
future
land
use
category
it
was
in
in
the
county.
The
city
does
not
have
a
residential
rural
category,
so
we
didn't
have
one,
but
it
was
left
in
that
category.
When
it
was
annexed,
we
adopted
a
residential,
very
low
category
in
the
2015-2016
time
frame.
We
didn't
even
have
that,
so
we
do
have
that
now.
That's
our
lowest
density
that
we
have
on
future
land
use
in
the
city
and
that's
what
the
property
is
under
in
addition
to
the
preservation.
J
Obviously,
the
property
itself
was
amended
from
RR
to
rvl
in
2017
and
then
again,
it's
rvo
on
the
county-wide
map.
J
Past
uses
include
a
borrow
mining,
agriculture,
stockpiling,
cut
and
fill
those
types
of
operations.
So
it's
very
disturbed
property,
a
lot
of
topographical
alterations,
even
though
wetlands
are
not
pristine
by
any
means,
I
would
say
pretty
pretty
Disturbed
property
and
then
there's
a
Duke
Energy
easement
across
the
South
side
of
it,
and
there
is
a
single
family
home
out
there.
That
was
part
of
that
original
69
Acres
that
was
sold
in
2019.
So
the
remaining
area
under
the
ownership
of
the
mcalpin
revocable
trust,
is
about
almost
60
Acres.
J
J
All
the
wetlands
and
some
of
the
Uplands,
the
50
unit
subdivision
on
Keith,
coming
off
of
Keystone
Road,
was
granted
a
waiver
by
the
Pinellas
County
Board
of
adjustment
to
access
from
Keystone
Keystone's
County
arturio
North
Highland
to
the
north
is
a
County
collector,
and
the
county
code
requires
that
the
collector
be
used
unless
you
can
get
this
way
with.
The
applicant
has
obtained
the
waiver,
but
does
not
have
yet
have
the
connection
approval
from
Pinellas
County.
For
connection
for
the
actual
connection
to
the
road,
the
estate
lot
will
connect
to
North
Highland
Avenue.
J
There
are
no
Wetland
impacts
proposed.
There
is
a
50
to
50.
Foot
required
buffer
will
be
provided.
Recreational
amenities
include
using
the
borrow
Pond
that
will
also
be
used
for
storm
water
as
well,
so
they
have
some
small
vessel
access
and
viewing
for
that.
Pond
they're
proposing
a
small
taut
line
and
they
are
proposing
a
wide
walk
connection
to
the
Pinellas
Trail,
which
is
an
existing
recreational
Island
amenity
in
that
area
for
public
facilities.
J
These
are
the
lot
standards
the
applicant
is
using
the
detached
cluster
single
family
dwelling
design
standards
under
your
plan
development
districts.
So
these
are
the
required
setbacks.
They
they're
really
mirroring
using
those
setbacks
in
minimum
dimensions
and
a
lot
areas
the
open
space
this
this
is
the
minimum
to
be
provided,
and
this
just
demonstrates
that
they
are
not
counting
more
than
half
the
open
space
as
Wetlands
as
required
by
your
code.
J
J
The
services
will
be
the
same
except
the
roadway,
for
that
lot
is
a
Pinellas
County
roadway
and
if
and
a
lot
will
be
served
by
either
extending
Pinellas
County
Sewer
down
North
Highland
or
providing
a
septic
tank,
whatever
the
county
approves.
If
septic
the
the
staff
is
asking
that
one
of
the
conditions
be
that
we
limit
that
that
state
lot
to
one
unit.
If
we're
on
septic
they're
building
51
units,
they.
J
If
they
can
extend
sewer,
a
staff
would
not
have
a
problem
with
a
future
owner
coming
in
to
amend
the
PD
to
split
out
and
build
the
other
unit
if,
if
it
were
approved
by
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
so
the
waiver,
we
do
have
one
waiver
requests
for
sidewalk
and
we'll
take
a
quick
look
at
where
that
is.
The
entrance.
Road
has
houses
on
the
east
side
or
Lots
proposed
on
the
east
side,
but
not
on
the
West
Side.
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
only
Supply
a
sidewalk
on
the
east
side.
J
Instead
of
both
sides
of
the
entrance
Road,
that's
called
Road
a
under
plan,
but
that
one
sidewalk
will
be
eight
feet
wide
and
it
will
provide
a
connection
to
the
Pinellas
Trail.
We
think
one
connection
is
probably
preferred
to
funnel
that
traffic
back
and
forth
to
the
trail
and
the
county
will
probably
think
the
same.
They
would
want
to
probably
go
with
just
the
one
connection.
This
is
the
layout
over
the
aerial
photograph
and
just
a
little
bit
clearer.
This
is
the
50
lot
subdivision
here.
J
Adjacent
to
the
West
Side
would
be
that
mostly
that
county-owned
land
there,
this
one
doesn't
show
it,
but
but
the
Tot
Lot
is
up
at
the
end
of
the
East
End
Northeast
end
of
Road
B,
the
accessories
for
the
borrow
pit
are
over
in
this
area.
The
estate
lot
with
about
56
000
square
feet
of
shaded
shaded
buildable
area,
is
located
over
here
accessing
North
Highland.
J
What
they're
doing
is
is
filling
part
of
the
borrow
pond
in
order
to
avoid
the
Wetland
impacts.
So
you
see
that
the
wetlands,
the
50-foot
buffer
and
then
a
little
bit
of
film
going
back
into
the
borrow
Pond
to
achieve
the
the
lot
layout
that
they're
after
so
these
are
your
criteria
for
preliminary
plan
development
and
I'll
just
touch
on
some
of
these.
The
staff
did
take
a
look
at
the
comprehensive
plan
and
reviewed
all
the
elements.
I
gave
you
the
policies
and
we
can.
J
J
J
There
are
some
I've
laid
out
some
of
these
standards
from
the
comprehensive
plan
and
the
Land
Development
code
and
county-wide
code
that
that
kind
of
lead
you,
due
to
what
density
averaging
is
and
why
we
think
this
is
compliant
with
that
and
it
preserves
the
wetlands
and
establishes
the
buffer
for
a
physical
characteristics.
Again
we
are.
This
is
a
pretty
Disturbed
site,
a
lot
of
detail
here
on
pages
eight
and
nine
in
your
staff
report.
J
Again,
it's
a
clustered
subdivision
in
that
lower
Southern
portion
of
the
site,
which
is
kind
of
away
from
the
rural,
more
Rural
and
large
lot
layout
around
it
to
the
north
and
east
and
west
to
your
South.
You
have
the
more
dense
across
Keystone
Road.
You
have
the
more
dense
development.
So
it's
it's
closer
to
the
South
Southeast
area,
which
is
a
good
thing.
I
think
the
transition
of
intensity
seems
to
be
to
be
fine.
It's
it's
a
fairly
a
reasonably
sized
lot.
J
J
There
is
buffering
of
that
subdivision,
especially
on
the
north
and
west,
there's
a
30
to
50
foot
wide
buffer
on
the
East
to
buffer
properties
to
the
East,
and
we
can
talk
about
that
a
little
more.
If
you
have
questions
single
family
detached
consistent
with
the
product,
that's
around,
so
that
that's
the
residential
product
we
have
in
this
area,
the
only
place
staff
did
identify,
mostly
on
bottom
of
page
nine,
going
to
page
10
of
your
staff
report.
J
Sometimes
with
agricultural
zoning
surrounding
these
areas,
we
do
have
the
potential
for
a
setup
of
conflict.
We
wanted
to
to
go
ahead
and
verbalize
that
and
and
make
you
aware
of
it.
So
you've
got
a
subdivision
and
you've
got
some
other
subdivisions
in
this
area,
but
sometimes
with
Farm
operations.
J
We
have
a
County
zoning
that
allows
different
farmer
operations
any
kind
of
an
animal
operation
it
allows
gun
ranges
different
uses.
You
would
find
in
agricultural
zoning
under
that
County
design.
Zoning
designation
of
RA,
sometimes
with
mostly
noise
and
odors,
somewhat
operation
of
things
early
in
the
morning
or
in
the
evening,
say
after
the
dinner
hour,
just
the
potential
for
setup
of
complaints.
You
know
you
get
them
every
so
often
on
some
of
his
stuff.
It's
just
something
to
be
aware
of.
J
J
There
are
adequate
public
facilities
to
serve
this
site
and
I
won't
go
through
all
this
again.
I
think
we've
touched
on
that
the
applicant
did
submit
a
hurricane
shelter
analysis
showing
sufficient
capacity
per
hour
code.
J
Again,
I
went
over
the
recreational
facilities.
We
do
have
a
level
of
service
deficiency
for
mini
Parks
mini
park,
for
this
number
of
residents
at
2.3
for
household
is
going
to
be
about
4
000
a
little
over
four
thousand
square
feet.
The
top
lot
right
now
is
proposed
at
somewhere
around
1300
square
feet,
but
you
could
consider
the
recreational
amenities
as
a
whole
as
meeting
the
mini
Park
standard.
If
you
want
to
consider
that
so
they're
looking
at
the
viewing
platform,
The
Vessel
launch
the
Tot
Lot,
the
the
trail
is
also
there.
J
That's
an
existing
County
humidity,
not
really
being
supplied
by
them,
but
you
could
look
at
at
how
you
want
to
handle
that
transportation
again.
The
county
will
have
to
approve
the
Keystone
Road
and
the
Pinellas
Trail
connections
and
the
layout
is
contingent
on
those
approvals
really
okay.
As
far
as
thoroughfares,
this
is
going
to
generate
51
peak
hour
trips.
J
J
And
then
we
do
feel
like
this
takes
advantage
of
the
features
on
the
site.
It's
in
a
disturbed,
Upland
portion
staff
did
have
some
concerns.
These
are
all
addressed
in
your
conditions,
with
some
of
the
the
items
that
were
brought
forward,
that
we
really
need
more
detail
on
and
to
nail
that
stuff
down
in
final
Blend
development.
J
The
rezoning
criteria
are
listed
here
and
they're
very
similar
to
your
preliminary
plan
development
criteria,
they're
discussed
on
pages
14
and
15,
so
I
won't
go
over
those
individually,
so
staff
has
been
working
with
the
applicant
for
two
and
a
half
years
on
this
project:
six
DRC
meetings-
it
came
in
originally
as
a
64
unit,
61
unit
sub
subdivision
with
three
estate
Lots,
the
applicant
and
staff,
have
really
worked
on
this
to
hone
it
down
to
something.
We
thought
that
that
could
be
that
you
all
could
could
look
at
and
consider
again.
J
There
is
more
detail,
that's
needed,
but
we
really
wanted
to
bring
this
to
you
to
get
get.
You
know
your
feedback
and
your
your
response
to
this
application
and
and
get
it
before
you.
So
if
an
approval
recommendation
is
made,
we
do
have
24
conditions,
I
didn't
list
here.
They
are
listed
on
I,
think
Pages,
two
and
three
of
your
staff
report
or
two
through
well
three
through
five
of
your
staff
report.
J
Those
are
listed.
Most
of
them
are
items
we
need
to
be
submitted
to
with
the
final
plan
development.
So
with
that,
oh
and
we
have
one
response
from
the
public:
it's
in
your
packet.
We
have
one
written
response,
comment
from
the
public.
Are
there
any
questions?
Yes,.
E
Thank
you
so
before
you
guys
go
into
board
questions
of
staff.
I
do
want
to
make
something
very
clear
for
those
of
you
that
may
have
not
done
this
before.
There
are
actually
two
items
here
for
you
to
rule
on
and
make
decisions.
The
first
is
the
land
use
change
and
this
land
use
change
is
done
pursuant
to
an
ordinance.
Please.
E
It's
the
zoning
change,
my
apologies
so
for
the
zoning
change
that
is
done
by
ordinance
I'm
going
to
read
the
ordinance
by
title
only
and
that
is
ordinance
2022-28,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Spring
Florida,
amending
the
official
zoning
map
of
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs
Florida
for
52.2
Acres,
more
or
less
of
real
property,
real
property
located
on
North
Highland
Avenue,
approximately
1200
feet,
Northeast
of
the
intersection
of
North
Highland
Avenue
and
Keystone
Road
from
zoning
designation,
a
agricultural
and
RPD
residential
plan,
development
to
zoning
designation,
RPD,
residential
plan
development,
approving
preliminary
plan
development
for
Keystone
Village,
Residential
plan
development,
application
number
20-36,
providing
for
waivers
of
design
requirements
of
the
Land
Development
code,
providing
for
findings
and
providing
for
an
effective
date.
E
So
when
it
comes
time
for
the
board,
deliberation
and
approval
of
this
I
will
be
looking
for
two
motions.
One
is
to
approve
the
zoning
change
under
the
ordinance
and
then
the
second
one
will
be
for
the
site
plan.
So
I
would
also
appreciate
it
if,
when
we
go
to
the
public
comment
section
that
you
first
take
comments
on
the
zoning
change
and
then
take
comments
on
the
the
site
plan
approval,
okay,.
A
A
Tonight
is
our
only
review
of
the
the
two
items
basically
related
to
this
request.
J
B
B
In
regards
to
the
Public,
Services
did
I
understand
that
the
county
is
going
to
supply
both
potable
and
pressurized
sewer
service
to
the
development
to.
B
J
They
will
have
to
do
whichever
one
Pinellas
County
requires.
There
is
waste
water
infrastructure
up
there
within
a
certain
distance.
From
that
lot,
County
staff
originally
had
said
that
they're
required
to
hook
up
because
we
thought
it
was
less
than
200
feet
away,
but
we're
not
sure
it's
County
infrastructure,
so
we
would
like
the
county
to
dictate
and
the
Department
of
Health
State
Department
of
Health
won't
issue
a
septic
if
they
feel
that
Wastewater
can
be
extended
to
that
lot.
So
there's
kind
of
okay.
B
Okay,
another
question
so
the
the
estate
law,
although
it's
labeled
51,
is
actually
available
for
two
residences
right
now,
it's
just
labeled
as
one,
but
should
someone
choose
to
in
the
future
divide
that
because
there's
ample
or
there
are
two
the
word's
not
coming
to
me-
it
could
be
two
instead
of
one
if.
J
B
And
then
the
The
Borrowed
pond
the
The
Borrowed
pond-
that's
there
is
small
portion
of
the
edge,
is
actually
going
to
be
filled
in
like
they're
going
to
dump
dirt
in
in
order
to
not
have
to
have
a
wetland
mitigation
so
that
they're
going
to
create
more
land
by
putting
dirt
back
into
that
pond.
Do
I
understand
that?
Yes,.
J
B
J
Yeah,
just
the
potential
so
when
we
see
when
we
look
at
compatibility-
and
we
look
at
it
right
now,
most
of
what's
around
the
property
is
is
looks
like
single
family
in
the
state.
But
there
are
farming
grazing
different.
You
know
operations
we
just
like.
We
would
just
like
everybody
to
be
unnoticed
that
that
could
include
a
lot
of
things.
J
A
good
you
know
could
be
just
grazing
horses,
I
I
made
a
visit
to
the
site
and
next
door
there
were
horses,
it
could
be
chickens
which,
if
anybody's
been
near
a
chicken
farm,
you're
talking
smell
you're,
talking
noise,
you're
talking
roosters
right,
it's
not
backyard
hens,
it's
chicken
could
could
be
anything
like
that.
So
so
the
idea
is
that
we
don't.
You
know
the
city
has
experienced
in
the
past
and
the
county
is
to
complain.
J
B
B
If
I
may
it's
the
fact
that
we're
going
to
have
new
homeowners
that
are
expecting
these
tight
little
Lots
with
these
nice
homes
and
lo
and
behold,
their
neighbor,
puts
in
let's
say
a
doggy
park
because
they
can
or
that
they
allow
50
dogs
to
stay
on
their
site
because
they
can,
and
that's
that
conflict
that
comes
with
this
intense
intense,
is
the
wrong
word.
An
urban
residential
development
directly
adjacent
to
an
agricultural
area
right.
K
Yes,
Suburban
subdivision,
you
know
backing
up
against.
You
know:
resident
residential
agricultural
Zone,
land
and
unincorporated
County
I
mean
I'll.
Give
you
a
very
tangible
example
in
this
area.
When
I
work
for
Pinellas
County,
we
were
dealing
with
some
folks
that
had
about
50
geese
on
their
property
and
they
never
shut
up
so,
and
it
was
you
know
so
in,
and
it
was
a
real
hard
thing.
K
It's
a
it's
a
very
difficult
thing
to
enforce
from
the
county
side
and
then
that's
the
other
issue
which
you're
going
to
be
relying
on
Pinellas
County
to
potentially
rein
in
and
deal
with
those
complaints
that
are
coming
from
incorporated
city.
So
we
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
everyone
was
aware
that
there
are.
There
is
a
potential
I'm,
not
saying
it
will
happen,
but
a
potential
for
future.
K
You
know,
noise
smells
I
mean
in
that
in
in
the
county
and
that
property
and
again
don't
know
that
anybody
would
ever
do
this
or
that
the
board
of
County
Commissioners
would
ever
approve
it
because
they
would
have
to.
But
you
could
have
an
outdoor
shooting
range
and
and
that
zoning
that
residential
act,
zoning
in
the
county
so
just
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone's
aware
of
the
potential
those.
L
B
I
F
So
right
now,
just
so
I
I
understand
it's
right.
Now,
it's
zoned
for
how
many
units
per
acre.
J
Well,
it
sound
it's
under
the
rvl
and
P
future
land
use
map
categories,
which
is
one
unit
per
acre.
One.
J
F
And
that's
an
acre
is
approximately
43
000
square
feet,
so
these
units
here
are
on
six,
some
of
them
on
sixty
five
hundred
square
foot
Lots,
so
we're
we're
moving.
K
We're
moving
up
to
50.,
that's
roughly
based
on
so
the
aggregate
right
now
the
zoning
is
agriculture.
So
if
you
were
going
to
subdivide
under
the
agricultural
zoning
District,
you
have
a
minimum
lot
size
of
30
000
square
feet,
so
we
kind
of
backed
into
a
rough
estimate
of
what
you
could
do.
Based
on
the
current
zoning.
You
have
two,
you
have
the
Agriculture
and
then
you
have
a
piece
of
it
is
RPD
already.
K
F
But
most
of
the
the
developments
out
there
are
on
large
Parcels,
whether
it's
Oak
Hill,
Acres
I.
Think
they're
like
like
two
acre
lots.
Then
you
have
the
the
development
on
the
other
side
of
keys
of
Keystone
I,
don't
even
know
the
name
of
it,
but
it's
it's
got
much
much
larger
Lots.
K
F
K
F
I,
don't
know
what
time
it
is,
and
this
came
up
in
a
prior
thing.
I
think
Mr
bestie
made
an
issue
about
that,
and
this
is
even
more
I
mean
when
you're
500
feet
could
include
very
few
people.
So
you.
F
So
again,
this
isn't
something
you
decide
to
do
this
is,
but
this
is
something
obviously,
the
city
needs
to
address
in
in
this
notification
process,
because
you
know
again,
this
500
feet
may
not
be
very,
very
many
people.
F
What's
the
elevation
of
this
property,
is
it
how
many
feet
above
sea
level?
Is
this
problem.
F
And
the
and
this
may
be
something
for
the
applicant,
but
what
are
the
what's
the
I
think
I
saw
it
here.
The
average
square
foot
I'll,
wait
and
ask
the
applicant
I'll.
Ask
that
question.
Thank
you.
A
All
right,
seeing
none
with
the
applicant
like
to
make
a
presentation.
Please,
yes,.
U
Sir,
and
before
we
get
started,
we
do
have
a
PowerPoint,
so
I'll
give
Miss
McNeese
an
opportunity
to
get
that
started
and
I'm
going
to
hand
out
some
resumes
for.
D
U
Good
evening
Mr,
chairman
and
board
members,
my
name
is
Brian
angst,
625,
Court,
Street,
McFarlane,
Ferguson
and
McMullen
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
and
on
behalf
of
the
development
team.
I
do
want
to
first
off.
Thank
you.
This
has
been
a
long
night.
I
want
to
give
you
all
of
the
information
you
need
to
make
your
decision,
but
I
also
want
to
respect
your
time.
U
Mr
Dr,
Donald
Richardson
is
an
ecologist
and
a
biologist
and
he's
done
the
wildlife
study
and
looked
at
the
wetlands
and
the
Wetland
issues
and
mitigation
Mr
Michael
gagne
PE
is
a
civil
engineer
who
did
a
Geotech
technical
analysis
of
the
site
and
Mr
Reed
Hayden
PE
is
a
civil
engineer,
who's
the
main
Project
Lead
and
the
lead
of
the
development
team.
U
I
want
to
start
out
again
by
thanking
you,
but
I
really
want
to
thank
your
staff,
because
over
the
last
two
years
your
staff
has
met
with
the
applicant
and
we
have
right
sized
this
proposal
to
be
what
I
think
by
the
end
of
our
presentation
and
once
we
answer
your
questions,
I
think
you'll
agree
is
a
supportable
proposal
and
is
in
line
with
the
sustainable
development
and
the
very
low
density.
Smart
clustering
development
that
Tarpon
Springs
is
looking
to
encourage
in
the
future.
U
I
do
want
to
also
point
out
that
this
application
over
the
years
has
never
asked
for
any
code
amendments
or
any
code
changes
to
benefit
the
application.
This
application
complies
with
every
single
requirement
of
your
code
and
complies
with
all
of
the
requirements
of
the
comprehensive
plan
and
the
Land
Development
code
and
I'll
get
into
that
in
a
little
bit
more
detail
in
a
moment,
I
did
want
to
answer
Mr
vessey's
Question.
U
We
absolutely
are
going
to
agree
to
a
condition
of
approval
that
there
must
be
formal
notification
to
any
prospective
homeowner
in
the
association
documents
that
there
are
agricultural
uses
in
the
area,
and
we
can
get
into
more
details
about
that
if
you'd
like.
But
if
you
want
to
make
that
a
condition
of
approval,
we
are
absolutely
agreeable
to
that
condition
of
approval.
So,
as
was
noted,
I've
got
a
little
pointer
here.
Try
not
to
point
at
anybody.
As
was
noted,
the
property
is
about
52
Acres.
U
That's
where
you
get
the
one
unit
per
acre,
Mr
kuleanos,
who
asked
about
the
issue
with
the
zoning.
So
there's
a
split
zoning.
The
zoning
is
RPD
and
agricultural.
Agricultural
is
the
area
where
you
have
the
one
unit,
the
lot
size,
the
lot
size
issue,
the
30
000
square
foot
lot
size,
but
as
Miss
McNeese
mentioned,
the
zoning
is
trumped
by
the
land
use
and
the
land
use
is
residential,
very
low.
So
in
both
the
Agricultural
and
the
preservation
districts,
you
have
a
one
unit
per
acre.
U
Agricultural
has
the
lot
size,
but
we
are
under
the
52
unit
per
acre
allowed.
So,
what's
proposed
is
50
units
in
the
cluster
development
and
one
estate
lot.
Mr
Bessie
also
asked
about
the
estate
lot.
The
estate
lot
is
not
being
built
per
this
plan,
so
when
the
final
plan,
if
if
you
recommend
approval
and
if
the
Board
of
Commissioners
approves
the
preliminary
plan,
when
the
final
plan
goes
back
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
that
lot
is
not
being
developed
at
this
time.
U
If
we
ever
wanted
to
split
that
lot
into
two,
it's
already
a
condition
of
approval,
it
would
have
to
come
back
here
to
amend
the
preliminary
plan
development.
So
you
have
a
bunch
of
safeguards
as
it
relates
to
that
lot
and
at
this
point,
that
lot
is
only
being
included
for
the
density
averaging
for
the
cluster.
So
while
it's
51
units
that
51st
unit
isn't
being
built,
it's
that
area
is
just
being
included
to
get
the
density
averaging
for
the
50
units
in
the
in
the
clustered
area.
The
Wetland
buffer
is
50
feet
wide.
U
We
have
not
requested
any
waiver
or
any
any
flexibility
from
the
Wetland
buffer,
so
we're
meeting
the
code
requirement
for
the
Wetland
buffer,
even
though
in
the
existing
zoning
15
feet
wide
is
all
that's
required.
We're
providing
29
Acres
of
open
space
when
only
13
acres
is
required.
That's
123,
three
percent
over
what
is
required.
U
The
only
waiver
requested,
as
Ms
McNeese
pointed
out,
is
instead
of
two
five
foot
wide
sidewalks
on
the
West
and
East
we're
going
to
do
one
eight
foot
wide
wide
walk,
which
will
be
a
seamless
integration
with
the
community
and
the
trail.
That's
the
preference
of
your
staff
and
also
Pinellas
County
staff.
So,
while
it
is
technically
a
waiver
I,
don't
think
it
should
be
considered
as
a
major
request
or
some
kind
of
substantial
deviation
from
your
code
or
from
the
intent
of
your
code.
U
You've
already
heard
about
the
natural
features,
taking
advantage
of
the
borrow
Pond
stormwater
management
and
all
of
the
buffering
that
we're
providing
and
you've
heard
about
reducing
the
original
request
from
64
Lots
down
to
the
50
Lots,
which,
as
we
discussed,
is
compliant
with
the
residential
very
low,
which
is
the
lowest
development
density
that
you
have
in
your
code.
We
are
compliant
with
that
and
we're
under
what
the
current
land
use
allows.
Currently,
so
we
have
the
clustered
we're
clustering.
U
The
Lots,
as
Miss
McNeese
told
you
per
your
code,
there's
a
provision
in
your
code
about
cluster
developments
and
as
the
staff
report,
the
thorough
staff
report
points
out.
We
meet
all
of
the
criteria
for
clustering
Lots
in
this
area.
The
buffering
I'm
going
to
show
you
some
images
here
in
a
minute,
but
the
setbacks
are
extremely
generous.
We're
about
486
feet
from
the
closest
lot
to
the
Charles
or
to
Charles
Smith's
home
on
Highland,
and
the
closest
Lots
on
the
East.
U
Are
some
123
feet
away
from
lot
to
their
structure,
so
I'll
be
able
to
show
you
that
in
a
moment
the
county
has
approved
our
Ingress
egress
access
to
Keystone
Road.
What
we're
waiting
on
is
final
approval
of
the
white
right-of-way
use.
Permit.
There
were
nine
comments
that
they
had.
We
submitted
responses
to
those
comments
and
are
awaiting
that
approval.
U
We
don't
anticipate
any
problems
with
that,
but,
as
Miss
McNeese
pointed
out,
it
is
a
final
condition
for
us
to
submit
the
final
site
plan,
and
so
until
we
get
that
approval,
we're
not
going
to
get
a
building.
Permit
we're
not
going
to
get
an
approval
to
build
the
development.
Recreation
Area
I
really
want
to
point
this
out.
U
You
know
active
open
space,
recreational
uses
this
isn't
this
is
a
going
to
be
a
polti
community
and
it's
intended
to
be
an
active,
open
space,
recreation
community,
taking
advantage
of
those
natural
resources
taking
advantage
of
the
trail
and
really
emphasizing
and
utilizing
that
these
are
just
some
points
again
from
the
staff
report.
Miss
McNeese
pointed
out
that
there
are
12
elements
to
be
reviewed
for
consistency
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
U
Your
staff
has
reviewed
all
12
of
those
in
the
thorough
staff
report
and
have
found
has
found
the
project
consistent
with
all
12
of
those
criteria.
I
did
want
to
point
out
on
page
seven
of
the
staff
report.
Miss
MC
knees
actually
goes
through
a
bunch
of
different
policies
and
objectives
of
the
comprehensive
plan
we
and-
and
she
emphasized,
that
28
policies
in
the
comprehensive
plan
are
supported
by
this
application
and
two
of
those.
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So
it's
two
two
objectives
and
28
policies,
so
30
total
objectives
and
policies
that
are
specifically
supportive
of
this
plan
and
the
way
that
we
have
developed
this
plan
and
I've
already
explained
the
difference
between
the
zoning
and
the
land
use,
and
if
you
have
additional
questions
about
that,
I
can
get
to
that.
In
a
little
bit,
we've
gone
through
the
clustering
I've
discussed
the
50-foot
buffer.
We
discussed
that
the
estate
lot
isn't
not
being
developed
at
this
time.
It's
included
for
density,
averaging
public
facilities.
Are
all
are
all
available,
they
have
been
studied.
U
We
did
the
hurricane
shelter
analysis
and
we
have
sufficient
public
facilities
to
support
the
project,
and
we've
talked
about
the
transportation
element
of
the
projects.
The
thoroughfares
and
the
active
open
space.
So
I
want
to
show
you.
This
is
the
development
pattern
and
the
existing
land
uses.
You
will
see
that
there
are
multi-family
uses
in
the
yellow.
These
are
town
homes,
so
this
is
the
site.
This
little
red
thing
is
dying
here.
This
is
the
site
and
we've
got
Town
Homes
directly
across
the
street.
This
is
Keystone
Road.
U
This
is
North
Highland,
so
directly
across
the
street,
from
the
site
are
town
homes,
so
Mr
kuleanos
I,
believe
when
you
take
500
feet
from
this
entire
property.
These
folks
would
have
gotten
notice,
in
my
opinion,
I
believe
they
would
have.
These
are
all
single-family
detached
dwellings.
Some
of
these
folks
probably
would
have
gotten
notice.
These
folks
certainly
all
got
noticed.
This
is
another
plan
development
that
was
just
approved
a
year
or
two
ago
at
44
units
that
will
be
connecting
onto
keys
or
to
North
Highland.
U
So
this
is
absolutely
consistent
with
the
development
pattern
and
is,
as
Miss
McNeese
said,
supported
and
consistent
with
the
lowest
density
development
available
to
to
you
in
the
city,
the
residential,
very
low
development
pattern.
This
is
really
what
I
wanted
to
show
you
the
entrance
here
on
North
Highland
and
the
wide
walk
here.
But
what
I
want
to
point
out
is
that
this
area
has
always
been
used
for
commercial
uses
to
access
the
Boro
pit.
U
So
for
years
this
was
used
by
commercial
trucks
to
enter
in
and
out
of
Keystone
to
move
fill
from
The
Boro
pit.
So
this
has
been
an
active
commercial
use.
What
we're
doing
is
cleaning
up
the
property,
we're
activating
it
and
we
are
improving.
It
I
think
it's
objectively
an
improvement
from
what
it
has
been
used
for
over
the
years
and
certainly
Swift
Mud
agrees.
U
We
already
have
our
Swift
Mud
Erp
permit
and
that
was
actually
permitted
at
the
64
lot
model,
so
Swift
Mud
was
comfortable
with
up
to
64
Lots,
we'll
revise
that
to
to
lower
it
to
50,
but
we've
already
established
the
jurisdictional
Wetland
line
and
we
already
have
an
initial
Swift
Mud
Erp
permit.
This
is
showing
some
of
the
open
space,
recreational
activities,
the
wildlife
viewing
area,
the
kayak
vessel
launch
and
the
Tot
Lot,
and
this
is
The
Boro
pond.
U
This
is
our
approval
from
Pinellas
County
for
the
connection
to
Keystone
Road,
and
this
is
what
the
proposed
connection
that's
currently
in
the
right-of-way
use.
Permit
is
looking
like
so
you're
pulling
the
trail
in
connecting
it
to
the
community
and
there's
a
number
of
safety
features
here
that
are
required
by
the
county
for
connection
to
the
trail
that
we
can
discuss
with
you
in
more
detail.
If
you'd
like
this
is
the
outstanding
comments,
I
know,
you
can't
really
see
it.
It's
hopefully
it's
on
your
computer.
U
We
submitted
it
to
the
staff
earlier
today,
but
there's
only
nine
comments
remaining,
so
we're
confident
that
we'll
be
able
to
work
through
those
issues
and
again
it
is
a
condition
of
approval.
This
shows
you
the
setbacks
to
the
nearest
Residence.
This
is
the
Smith
home
that
they
access
up
on
Highland.
They
purchased
their
property
in
2019.
They
were
aware
of
the
property
or
of
the
project
at
the
time
that
they
purchased
their
home
and
their
home
is
486
feet
away
across
the
pond,
from
the
closest
lot
that
we're
asking
you
to
approve
tonight.
U
There
is
no
connection
between
this
neighborhood.
This
proposed
development
and
the
Smiths
driveway,
or
key
Keystone
or
I'm
sorry,
North
Highland,
so
I
want
to
reiterate:
there's
not
going
to
be
any
traffic
going
from
the
neighborhood
into
the
Smith's
property
or
out
onto
North
Highland.
This
is
the
Van
Damme
residence.
U
It's
363
feet
away:
there's
a
70
foot,
setback
from
60-foot
setback
from
the
residents
to
the
property
line
and
then
there's
another
additional
significant
setback
to
the
Van,
Damme
home
and
obviously
there's
significant
woodlands
and-
and
you
know,
Landscaping
in
this
area
that
is
going
to
mitigate
any
impacts.
U
And
then
these
are
the
other
residences
again
they're
all
well
over
100
feet
away
from
any
of
our
proposed
uses,
and
then
this
is
the
approved
site
plan
for
the
North
Lake
Estates
community,
which
is
that
RPD
community
that
we
showed
to
the
northeast
of
the
property.
I
think
I've
covered
most
everything
I
wanted
to
cover
Mr
Hayden
is
going
to
address
some
additional
issues.
Did
you
want
to
address
some
additional
issues.
V
It
Reed
Hayden
I,
have
been
sworn
in:
105
Bayside,
Drive,
Clearwater,
Florida,
33767
I'm,
probably
the
person
who's
most
intimately
familiar
with
this
whole
project.
So
you
know
if
you
do
have
specific
questions
other
than
when
we
need
to
address
the
specific
experts
that
we
have
here
today.
I'd
be
the
one
to
discuss
them
with,
and
you
know,
Brian
I
think
has
done
a
good
job,
giving
you
a
holistic
view
of
what
we've
gone
through.
We've
been
at
this
process
for
some
time
now,
we've
worked
with
your
staff
for
quite
some
time.
V
What's
going
on
there
I
don't
think
they
won't
be
aware,
but
we
are
absolutely
in
agreement
that
you
know
if
there
needs
to
be
some
kind
of
something
within
the
the
HOA
documents
or
some
kind
of
pamphlet,
something
that's
handed
out
with
the
marketing
material
contracts
such
as
that
that
will
not
be
an
issue
if
we
go
to
the
recreation
area
I
wanted
to,
because,
frankly,
in
the
staff
report,
I
believe
everything
was
supportive
in
that
it
shows
that
we
do
comply
with
the
criteria
within
your
Land
Development
code
and
within
your
comp
plan.
V
It's
with
the
exception
of
a
calculation
that
frankly,
I
was
unaware
of
until
we
got
the
staff
report,
but
the
the
criteria
for
many
parks
and
that
we,
based
on
the
resident
calculation
that
we
needed
a
4025
square
foot
mini
park
for
the
community
I
do
believe.
We
already
have
that
we
didn't
actually
put
measure
out
all
those
areas
because
again
we
weren't
specifically
aware
about
that
calculation.
V
But
if
you
take
the
areas
that
we're
going
to
have,
whether
it's
the
paddle
board,
kayak
launch
the
Tot
Lot
and
then
in
the
wildlife
viewing
area,
and
also
you
have
this-
this
ponds
borrow
Pond,
which
is,
is
a
nice
feature
that
we
have
being
able
to
turn
something
that
was
this
was
mind
for
fill
and
that
fill
was
sold
for
a
number
of
years.
Turning
what
is
kind
of
a
industrial
commercial
type
use
into
something
that
now
people
can
enjoy
we're
excited
about
that.
V
But
when
you
add
up
that
area,
it
is
way
more
than
a
4025
square
foot
area,
so
I
think
this
is
in
is
a
very
a
quality
exchange
as
as
opposed
to
just
one
specific
Square.
That's
4025
square
feet
to
something:
that's
that's
this
large
with
a
variety
of
uses.
V
You
know
I
I'm
prepared
to
answer
any
questions
you
have
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank.
U
U
It's
your
expert
opinion
as
a
planning
expert
for
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
that
everything
you
you
laid
out
in
the
staff
report
is
is
correct
in
your
professional
opinion.
Yes,
including
that
the
proposal
meets
all
12
elements
of
comprehensive
plan,
consistency
and
that
the
proposal
meets
all
of
the
elements
for
the
RPD
zoning
review.
U
With
the
conditions
of
approval
you
recommended
and
any
other
conditions,
including
the
disclosure
of
the
Agricultural
uses
in
the
area
to
prospective
buyers,
it's
your
opinion
that
the
the
plan,
as
it's
submitted
today
with
those
conditions,
is
consistent
with
the
approval
criteria
to
move
forward
with
the
recommendation
of
approval
in
your
professional
judgment.
It's.
J
A
Could
could
we
hear
from
the
the
person
dealing
with
environmental
and
Wildlife
issues
and
just
kind
of
Phyllis
fill
us
in
on
any
Wildlife
potential
impacts
and
some
information
on
the
the
water
quality
of
the
the
pond
that
we're
using
for
recreation,
Dr,
Richardson.
W
Yeah,
my
name
is
Dr
Donald
Richardson,
7301,
Summer,
Bridge,
Drive,
Tampa,
Florida
33634,
yes,
I've
been
working
on
this
project
for
five
years
and
all
of
the
protected
Wildlife
like
gopher
tortoises
that
we
have
on
site
are
all
going
to
be
relocated
via
the
FWC
permit
process.
W
The
site
is
highly
Disturbed.
It's
been
mined,
it's
been
altered
in
elevation.
The
wetlands
have
been
invaded
by
Exotics,
so
we
feel
that
by
eliminating
any
impacts
and
providing
a
buffer,
we
then
get
water
recharged,
groundwater,
recharge
Etc,
which
is
a
benefit
for
the
subdivision.
How
that
relates
the
pond?
The
pond
is
very
deep
when
it
was
dug
by
the
owner.
It
was
dug
deep
and
it
was
used
as
a
catfish
Pond
for
a
lot
of
years.
W
It's
very
clean
and
very
clear,
so
the
littoral
Shelf
that's
associated
with
that
pond
is
narrow
but
effective
for
the
pond,
because
it's
deep,
so
you
get
a
lot
of
turnover
in
that
pond,
instead
of
it
being
the
typical
8
to
12
foot
deep
pond
in
Florida,
it's
20
feet,
plus
so
overall
I
think
environmentally
we've
stayed
away
from
the
wetlands.
We
have
no
impacts,
we've
provided
buffers
that
are
twice
what
is
required
in
the
Erp
process
through
Swift
Mud,
so
I
think
the
owners
have
done
a
good
job.
W
I'm
an
authorized
agent
I
do
this
all
the
time,
so
the
tortoises
will
now
go
to
a
better
home.
A
W
Yeah,
usually,
what
we
do
is
you
do
a
survey
GPS
locate
each
Borough
on
site.
The
boroughs
are
excavated
using
a
backhoe
and
a
and
a
probe
I
usually
put
a
probe
down.
The
burrow
backhoe
digs
down
the
probe
until
we
get
down
to
the
last
three
or
four
feet.
We
excavate
the
the
burrow
with
a
shovel
if
we
find
an
animal
that
animal
is
held
and
all
of
the
animals
on
a
daily
basis
are
are
relocated
to
an
approved
FWC
relocation
site
the
Pros.
W
W
W
X
W
Fwc
would
take
that
money
and
manage
the
area
that
they
put
these
50
tortoises
in,
which
is
part
of
a
larger
track,
and
that's
basically
that
that
process
for
the
ter,
the
boroughs
that
are
out
there
I
think
the
last
count
was
30
some
because
they
have,
because
we've
been
at
this
for
two
years,
they
would
have
to
do
another
survey
update
the
numbers
apply
for
an
FWC
relocation
permit
that
takes
about
a
month
or
two.
W
Then
they
would
hire
somebody
like
myself.
That
would
take
two
or
three
days
to
relocate
those
tortoises
to
a
new
site.
W
W
S
W
W
Just
in
the
buffer-
yes,
yes,
because
what
we
don't
want
to
do
like
for
all
subdivisions,
you
don't
want
to
have
people
like
myself
or
or
landscapers
start
spraying
natural
Wetlands,
because
then
we
would
eliminate
those
but
in
the
buffer.
Yes,
any
of
the
buffer
requirements
for
open
space
would
require
removal
of
Exotics.
U
W
A
L
D
D
F
Okay,
he,
you
are
a
new,
pointed
alternate
right
to
this
board.
Yes,.
F
No
I
hear
you
and
you're
saying
this
will
not
come
back
here
again,
because
I
don't
want
her
to
make
statements
that
will
show.
E
D
E
She
she
can
comment
as
a
member
of
the
public
before
she's
been
sworn
in.
If
she
were
already
a
sworn
board
member
and
we're
going
to
be
casting
a
vote
on
this
particular
item.
That
would
be.
That
would
be
the
issue,
but
once
this
is
approved
and
it
moves
forward,
then
she
would
be
in
the
same
position
as
any
other
board
member
for
that's
the
estate
portion,
because
that
was
the
only
portion
of
this
project
that
could
come
back
in
the
future.
But
from
the
way
it
was
sounding.
F
But
there
are
times
where
things
come
back
like
the
first
applicant.
We
had
tonight
right
that
came
back
because
of
the
Board
of
Commissioners
said
there
was
additional
information
that
had
to
come
back
here,
so
it's
possible.
This
could
be
the
same,
and
if
she
makes
comments
now
in
support,
does
that
in
any
way
compromise
her
on
being
a
enough
a
voting
board
member
I.
E
Sure
I'm
asking
a
legal
pain
currently
there's
nothing
that
I
can
think
of.
That
would
prohibit
her
from
then
voting.
F
Actually
could
be
this
application
if,
in
fact,
the
Board
of
Commissioners
were
to
send
it
back
to
us
for
some
reason
of
additional
documents
or
additional
evidence
that
they
feel
we
didn't
see,
and
they
want
it.
Coming
back
to
us
right
having
a
board
member
vocalizing,
a
a
proponent
of
a
project
of
which
she
might
be
able
to
vote
on.
Okay,.
E
So
she
she
right
now
is
commenting
as
a
citizen
on
what
was
presented
here
today
and
in
the
future.
If
it
ever
were
to
come
back,
then
we
could
do
exactly
what
we
did
tonight
and
reference
today's
hearing
and
the
hearing
will
have
her
on
record
saying
what
she's
saying
and
what
she's
saying
here
tonight,
I'm
assuming
is
going
to
be
on
what's
been
presented
and
the
same
way
that
you
would
hear
it
again
if
it
were
presented
a
second
time
to
you
so
I
think
she's,
fine,
all.
H
It's
more
it's
more
of
an
issue
that
I
wanted
to
bring
up
and
I
I.
First,
let
me
start
out
by
saying:
I:
don't
have
enough
knowledge
on
this
issue,
this
Burroughs
pond
that
was
brought
up
and
has
been
discussed.
I'm
not
familiar
with
it.
I
haven't
lived
here
long
enough
to
know
about
Burroughs
pond,
but
I
was
curious
about
whether
or
not
any
kind
of
of
study
I'm
not
familiar
with
the
Springs.
You
know
the
location,
I
don't
know.
A
H
A
All
right,
seeing
none
we'll
close
public
comment,
another
another.
F
Point
of
order-
yes,
yes,
we
had
a
letter
written
that
you
said
was
part
of
the
thing
can
can
that
be
read
into
the
the
record.
J
The
letter
is
this
is
an
email
from
Karen
Van
Damme
dated
Monday
October
17
2022
regarding
mcalpin
trust,
AKA
Keystone,
Village
hi.
My
name
is
Karen
Van
Damme
I
just
purchased
my
forever
home
at
2343,
Keystone
Road
I
moved
here
since
from
St
Petersburg
to
get
away
from
the
overbuilding
just
to
find
out
that
a
piece
of
land,
one
lot
away
from
me
is
about
to
become
a
subdivision.
I
am
100
against
this
happening.
It
devalues
my
property
and
makes
Keystone
more
dangerous
than
it
already
is.
J
This
area
is
a
beautiful
slice
of
old
Florida
I.
Don't
know
anyone
around
me.
That
is
on
board
with
this
idea.
I
have
no
problem
with
the
rule
that
my
property
has
I
have
no
problem
with
the
rule
that
my
property
has,
which
is
one
home
per
two
acres.
That
would
be
fine,
I
hope
the
city
is
in
touch
with
the
people.
This
directly
impacts.
We
should
have
a
major
say
in
what
happens
here.
Thank
you,
Karen
Van
Damme,
and
then
she
gets
her
phone
number.
J
Foreign,
a
couple
of
things:
first
of
all,
looking
at
the
survey
of
the
property
which
is
on
your
PDF,
Pages,
222
and
223
I,
would
say:
the
elevations
on
the
property
least
of
the
Uplands
is
five
to
six
feet
in
the
natural
in
the
like
West
and
Northwest
areas,
where
it
it's
still
relatively
natural.
As
you
get
near
the
pond
you're
looking
at
five
to
eleven
feet,
then
down
in
the
Southeast,
it's
8
to
27
feet.
J
J
Also,
our
secretary
has
looked
up
the
number
of
postcards.
There
were
64
addresses
that
received
postcards
on
this
and,
if
you'd
like
I,
could
answer
them
as
early's
question
I
think
you
asked
if
there
are
springs
on
the
property.
I
would
say
there
aren't
I.
Would
yeah
I
would
ask
the
biologist
to
confirm
that
if
you
you'd
like,
but
no
there
are
no
springs
on
the
property
I'll.
Also,
in
addition,
since
your
packet,
the
applicant
submitted
three
documents,
one
is
the
county
letter
that
is
in
your
packet
is
unsigned.
J
The
applicant
submitted
a
signed
copy
of
that
we
do
have
it
in
case.
You
want
to
look
at
it
also.
We
have
an
updated
letter
from
Pinellas
County
on
the
utilities
availability
so
that
we
do
have
that
and
they
submitted
a
signed
copy
of
the
waiver
letter
that
they
received
from
Pinellas
County
for
Keystone
Road.
U
Yes,
Mr
chair
very
briefly
again,
I
appreciate
your
time
tonight.
I
know
it's
a
long.
A
long
meeting
and
I
appreciate
the
staff,
especially
director
Vincent
Miss
McNeese,
for
all
of
the
hard
work
they've
done,
and
the
thorough
staff
report
thorough
review
that
they've
done
just
to
address
a
couple
of
things.
Very
briefly.
There
are
sufficient
elevations
in
the
Southeast
corner,
where
the
lots
are
clustered
as
Miss
McNeese
said,
between
8
and
27
feet.
The
highest
elevations
are
in
that
area.
U
So
we're
not
concerned
about
flooding
in
those
particular
areas
where
the
homes
are
Mr.
Dr
Richardson
did
confirm
that
you
know
the
borrow.
Pond
is
a
borrow
pit
that
was
turned
into
a
man-made
pond,
so
it's
not
a
natural
body
of
water.
It's
it's
not
connected
in
these
Springs.
So
hopefully
that
addresses
that
concern.
U
Our
reports,
the
reports
of
our
experts
and
the
testimony
of
Mr
Hayden
and
Dr
Richardson,
and
there
is
no
competent,
substantial
evidence
to
rebut
or
refute
any
of
that,
and
so
there's
no
other
expert
here,
that's
telling
you
that
that
that's
incorrect
or
that
anything
that
Miss
McNeese
said
was
incorrect
or
that
we
failed
to
meet
any
of
the
approval
criteria.
So
the
unrebutted
evidence
is
that
we
meet
all
of
the
approval
criteria
and
that
this
project
is
not
asking
for
any
substantial
waivers
or
flexibility
or
changes
or
anything
that
would
cause
a
major
concern.
U
I
did
want
a
cite
to
just
one
case:
it's
Catherine,
Bay
LLC
versus
fagin.
It's
a
2010
first
DCA
case
regarding
lay
witness
testimony.
First
off,
you
know:
Miss
Van
Damme
wasn't
here,
so
we
weren't
able
to
cross-examine
her
so
I
think
you
need
to
take
that
into
consideration.
U
Secondly,
the
case
law
explains
what
common
substantial
evidence
is,
as
it
relates
to
lay
witness
opinion
and
late
witness
testimony,
and
this
is
from
the
Catherine
Bay
case.
The
site
is
52
Southern
third,
at
30.
lay
Witnesses
may
offer
their
views
and
land
use
cases
about
matters
not
requiring
expert
testimony.
For
example,
lay
Witnesses
May
testify
about
the
natural
beauty
of
an
area,
because
this
is
not
an
issue
requiring
expertise,
lay
Witnesses
speculation
about
potential
traffic
problems,
light
and
noise
pollution
and
general
unfavorable
impacts
of
proposed
land
use
are
not,
however,
considered
competent,
substantial
evidence.
U
Similarly,
lay
Witnesses
opinions
that
a
proposed
land
use
will
devalue
their
homes
in
the
area
are
insufficient
to
support
a
finding
that
such
devaluation
will
actually
occur,
and
I
think
that
that
was
what
she
was
most
concerned
about,
but
I
think
we
showed
you
in
the
images
of
Miss
Van
Damme's
home
I'm,
trying
to
get
this
to
work
again.
We
maybe
switched
out
of
our
anyway.
Her
home
is
about
360
feet
away
from
the
closest
lot
line
separated
by
forests,
and
the
only
other
thing
I
want
to
point
out
again.
U
The
agricultural
zoned
areas
in
that
area
are
single-family
homes
that
are
in
unincorporated,
Pinellas
County
they're,
not
Farms
they're,
they
don't
have
you
know
cattle
or
things
like
that,
and
as
I
can't
remember,
Miss
director
Vincent
said
if
God
forbid,
someone
was
to
say
they
wanted
to
put
a
shooting
range
directly
up
to
the
back
of
one
of
these
people's
homes.
There
would
be
public
notice
and
it
would
have
to
go
to
a
board
hearing
of
the
Pinellas
County
commissioners
before
any
of
that
could
happen.
So
again,
we
thank
you.
U
F
What
are
the
of
the
units
and
I
I?
Don't
expect
you
to
have
an
exact
number?
What
are
the
the
estimated
sale
price
of
these
units.
R
Good
evening
my
name
is
Scott
himmelho
I'm
at
393
Drayton
way,
Palm
Harbor,
Florida,
34685
I
am
with
the
polti
group
I.
Think
probably
the
the
best
answer
to
your
question
would
be
if
I
pointed
to
an
existing
Community,
we
have
where
we're
going
to
sell
similar
product.
We
have
a
community
polti
group,
obviously
we're
a
publicly
traded
company.
You
can
go
to
our
website
and
you
can
look
up.
Various
communities
that
we
have.
The
community,
in
particular,
is
in
a
development
that
we
didn't
design
but
we'll
be
selling
similar
product.
It's
called
Cedarbrook.
R
R
Obviously,
as
we
go
through
the
approval
process,
here,
we
would
go
through
have
to
get
our
construction
plans
approved,
develop
the
site,
build
a
model
open
for
sale,
you're,
probably
talking
15
to
18
months
down
the
road
before
we
would
open.
So
obviously,
we
would
monitor
the
market.
I
can't
tell
you
where
prices
are
going
to
be
at
that
point
in
time,
but
I
think
if
you
looked
at
Cedarbrook.
That
would
be
a
good
example.
It's
the
signature
series,
which
would
be
the
similar
type
of
homes
so.
R
Yeah
single
single
Story
versus
two
story:
that's
correct:
okay,
all
right.
R
And
happy
to
answer
any
other
questions
you
may
have.
B
Chair
I,
don't
have
a
question,
but
I
did
want
to
refresh
our
memory.
That
Council
was
clear
that
we
actually
have
two
resolutions
that
we
were
going
to
review
tonight
and
that
it
was
important
that
there
were
two
public
comment:
portions
that
were
to
be
addressed.
Maybe
they
had
already
been
done,
but
I
don't
think
that
that
was
delineated
carefully
enough.
Considering
that
you
brought
it
to
the
attention
at
the
beginning
right.
E
It
would
appear
that
when
you
did
the
public
comments,
they
were
all
kind
of
together
on
the
application
as
a
whole,
and
if
there
was
anybody
else
that
did
want
to
speak
to
one
particular
aspect
of
the
application,
either
the
zoning
change
or
the
site
plan
review.
E
-28
so,
and
that's
the
one
you
would
have
to
address
first,
because
that
is
the
one
that
effectuates
the
land
use
change
then
after
the
land
use,
has.
K
It
so
when
we
brought
this
forward,
we
brought
this
as
one
ordinance.
You
know,
considering
the
rezoning
and
approving
the
preliminary
development
plan.
That's
what
we've
always
done
it
in
the
past,
so
deferring
to
the
city
attorney's
recommendation
that
that
those
really
are
you
know
two
actions.
K
T
E
Are
related,
so
it
is
okay
to
have
those
presentations
like
that.
It
is
imperative,
though,
that
when
you
do
the
approvals,
it's
clear
that
they're
approving
the
zoning
change
prior
to
the
actual
site
plan,
otherwise.
K
E
D
C
K
A
I
E
And
just
for
I'm
not
familiar
enough
with
your
code.
If,
for
whatever
reason,
they
did
not
begin
development
within
a
certain
period
of
time,
is
there
a
reverter
clause
in
your
code
of
ordinances,
where
it.
K
Would
automatically
revert?
There
is
okay,
oh
no,
no
you're,
saying
no!
It
would
not
revert
back
to
to
agriculture
so
that
if
that
may
be
a
I
think
you
can
put
a
record
that
might
be
a
recommendation.
We
do
not
have
an
automatic
reverter
Clause,
okay.
So
then
it
just
kind
of
hangs
out
as
planned
development
without
a
plan
attached
to
it.
D
B
A
A
B
Correct
there
are
so
many
pages
in
there.
I
I
literally
was
scrolling
for
10
minutes
to
get
back
to
the
beginning
page.
Forgive
me
I,
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
seriousness,
but
at
the
same
time,
so
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
approve
the
application
as
submitted.
That
includes
ordinance
2022-28,
which
is
zoning
and
the
site
plan
as
attached
with
all
conditions
attached
to
the
site
plan
and
a
reverter
clause
that,
if
it
doesn't
occur
in
the
timely
manner
that
it
reverts
back.
B
D
E
The
condition
that,
if
Within,
what
a
year
two
years,
if.
K
U
D
K
L
A
F
Here's
my
feelings
about
it:
people
move
out
there
for
space
that
has
always
been
a
homes
with
sizable
amount
of
property
and
I,
don't
see
a
compelling
reason
to
increase
the
density
out
there
at
this
point.
So
that
is
my
opinion.
O
F
F
E
The
the
application
2036
as
it
relates
to
ordinance
2022-28.
O
And
I
would
make
that
motion
Mr,
chairman
for
approval
of
application
20-36
to
waive
the
design
requirements
for
the
site
plan
with
the
F4
May
aforementioned
conditions,
which
were
quite
numerous,
but
to
include
them
all.
J
If
staff
may
be
recognized,
would
you
like
to
add
the
condition
offered
by
the
applicant
to
notify
in
the
homeowners
documents
the
prospective
buyers
of
the
Agricultural
uses.
B
A
A
question
about
conditions
do
would
the
recreational
facilities
that
we've
talked
about
here
in
the
final
side
plan
those
would
be
detailed
so
that
the
the
boc
would
be
able
to
see
and
and
approve
those
at
that
time.
Yes,.
I
B
A
J
I
just
want
to
welcome
Mr
rockeline,
your
new,
regular
member
and
Ms
early
will
be,
should
be
sworn
in
by
next
meeting
and
she
she's
glad
she
could
come
tonight.
She
will
be
your
alternate.
J
We
did
do
we're
doing
doing
orientation
with
both
members
I'll.
Send
you
the
updated
orientation
package,
along
with
the
updated
schedule,
tentative
schedule
for
next
year.
F
One,
it
is
possible
that
Monday
may
be
my
last
meeting
here
with
you.
Fine
folks
and
I
have
enjoyed
being
on
this
board
immensely
and
I'm
proud
to
be
a
member
of
this
board.