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A
All
right,
I
guess
we'll
call
to
order
the
October
17th
2022
regular
meeting
of
the
Tarpon
Springs
Planning
and
Zoning
Board.
Can
we
have
a
roll
call,
please
Mr.
C
C
A
All
right
that
brings
us
to
item
number
two
on
our
agenda.
Can
I
have
a
point
of
order.
C
Sure,
okay,
so
you
know
we
we,
this
is
our
meeting
without
an
attorney
right,
so
I
just
want
to
bring
up
several
points.
Obviously,
I'll
proceed
the
way
the
group
chooses
to
proceed,
but
this
is
and
for
the
audience
this
is.
You
know
that
we're
going
to
be
having
two
quasi-judicial
hearings.
Normally,
we've
always
had
an
attorney
here.
C
You
know
the
attorney's
job
is
to
you
know.
Advise
us
keep
us
on
track.
Make
sure
that
our
we're
following
all
kinds
of
rules,
like
you
know
ex
parte,
Communications
recusals
issues,
points
of
order,
I
mean
I,
don't
think.
We've
ever
had
a
a
meeting
that
we
haven't
had
questions
on
things
like
viability,
procedures,
the
the
proper
questions
that
we
could
ask.
C
You
know
the
attorney
plays
an
integral
role,
there's
a
reason.
We
have
an
attorney
here
and
we
definitely
just
don't
cherry
pick.
You
know
applications
to
to
not
have
one
here.
We
we
as
a
board
and
the
city
I
I,
can
sympathize
over
the
city.
There's
we
had
nothing
to
do
with
this.
This
situation,
where
you
know
we're
kind
of
caught
without
a
legal
representation
and
I'm
sympathetic
to
the
applicants
for
the
inconvenience
again,
we
didn't
create
this
scenario.
C
This
is-
and
we
also
part
of
the
reason
that
we
follow
strict
protocol
and
rules
is,
is
not
only
to
protect
the
city
but
to
also
protect
the
applicants,
so
that
in
case,
you
know
that
we
that
you
are
given
the
proper
due
process
that
you
know
we're
not
accepting
evidence
that
that
the
attorney
may
have
objected
to
us
putting
through
or
advises
accordingly,
so
I'm
willing,
again
I'm
willing
to
return
at
the
shortest
possible
time
necessary
to
advertise
this
or
again,
we
could
have
an
attorney
here
and
that
I
don't
Pat.
D
No,
so
we
have
two
applications.
We
have
one
that
was
publicly
noticed
right.
That
is
the
conditional
use
that
project
needs
15
days
of
mailed
public
notice.
We
would
also.
D
So
just
just
for
your
information,
so
that
had
to
be
re-advertised,
because
there
was
no
way
to
provide
notice
to
the
public
that
it
was
going
to
be
deferred.
This
time
you
would,
you
could
defer
it
to
the
date
certain
of
November
or
we
could
coordinate
with
city
manager.
You
know
yeah.
D
C
But
it
could
be
done,
that's
good
at
coordinating
right,
so
that's
kind
of
where
I
stand.
I
think
that
we
I
don't
I,
do
not
feel
comfortable
moving
along
without
an
attorney.
Obviously
I
I'm
going
to
acquiesce
to
the
the
remainder
of
the
group.
But
it's
I
think
it's
important.
We
have
attorneys
for
a
reason:
okay,
I.
E
C
E
Sure
I
think
we
can
proceed
forward
and
if
there
is
an
issue
that
is
beyond
our
ability
to
respond
to
or
vote
on,
because
of
a
lack
of
legal
counsel,
then
I
I
think
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong
Pat,
we
could
we
could
not
defer
it.
We
could
suspend
hear
what
we
need
to
hear:
okay
and
defer
or
suspend
additional
argument
or
ruling
until
we
are
able
to
get
advice
of
counsel
rather
than
you
know,
just
deferred
it
just
for
the
the
that
process.
I
think.
C
I
think
you
just
made
my
point:
okay,
that's
something
we
would
have
asked
the
attorney.
How
do
we
proceed
with
this?
So.
E
C
C
I
do
too,
but
we
didn't
none
of
us,
it's
not
something
we
that
we
created.
This
board
didn't
create
it,
and
so
anyway,
I'm
I
apologize
for
interrupting
anybody.
G
Chair
can
I
ask
a
question
yeah
things.
G
I
think
I
need
a
clarification
because
I
did
read
the
package,
but
I
need
to
be
clear
now
about
tonight's
agenda,
and
that
is
that
it
appears
that
number
two
is
obviously
it
says:
deferral,
meaning
that
at
the
last
meeting,
because
there
wasn't
a
quorum,
it's
been
deferred
to
today,
but
it
appears
that
items
B
3D
have
already
been
deferred
to
the
next
meeting.
Let's
call
that
a
half
a
question
is:
is
that
correct?
Okay,.
D
C
D
We
have
on
this
evening's
agenda
at
the
end
of
the
agenda
for
items.
C
and
D
is
a
discussion
of
the
Amendments
you
you
can
do
that
if
you
want
to
you,
don't
have
to
those
will
be
brought
back
for
the
actual
public
Hearing
in
November,
but
we
put
them
on.
Renee
asked
me
to
put
them
on
tonight's
agenda
for
discussion
so
that
we
could
get
some
feedback,
and
you
know
you
could
have
some
of
that
included
in
your
ordinances
that
actually
come
to
you
so
that
that's
the
status
of
all
those.
If.
G
D
D
Yeah,
so
all
of
these
ordinances
were
at
work.
Well,
they
were
to
be
published
in
the
September
28th
newspaper
for
tonight's
hearing,
but
the
paper
didn't
publish
and
at
the
time
we
had
a
City
attorney
and
his
his
opinion
was
a
public
notice
was
not
met.
I
will
tell
you
that
forward.
Pinellas
had
the
same
problem,
their
attorney
had
them
re-notice
all
their
stuff,
so
they
it's
a
pretty
consistent
determination.
Okay,.
G
D
F
I
just
have
a
follow-up
question
with
the
application,
22
116
and
then
22107.
You
said
we
can
open
it
up
for
discussion.
D
D
D
Yeah
and
again,
just
just
for
your
information,
this
would
be
a
second
deferral
of
number
five.
If
you
do
it,
and
this
would
be
a
first
deferral
of
number
six,
if
you
want
to
do
that.
A
Let
me
ask
a
little
more
just
procedurally
about
our
options
here:
I
guess,
if
we,
if
we
chose
to
begin
hearing
the
item-
and
we
reach
a
point
where
we
feel
like
there's
a
question
that
that
that
we're
not
comfortable
without
Consulting
with
an
attorney
can,
can
we
then
decide
to
defer
the
item
or
do
we
need
to
decide
before
we
start
hearing
it?
Whether.
D
D
G
Because
and
then,
if
I
may
add,
with
a
tremendous
amount
of
respect
to
Mr
to
John
I'm,
fully
honest
I'm,
totally
comfortable
going
ahead.
D
And
staff
will
will
do
our
best
to
to
keep
you
on
track
to.
If
you
want
to
make
findings
or
at
the
point
where
you
make
findings,
we
we
will
do
our
best
to
assist
you,
regardless
of
the
decision
that
you're
you're
looking
to
make.
So
that's
part
of
our
rule.
A
A
G
D
That's
up
to
you,
I
think
there
if
you've
identified
a
consensus,
then
you're
good
to
go.
If
you'd
like
to
have
a
vote
on
it.
That's
up
to
the
chair.
A
Let's
yeah
I
can
I
think
just
so
it's
in
so
it's
documented
could
I
get
a
motion,
something
like
to
to
hear
both
of
those
items.
With
the
caveat
that
that
we
can
suspend
proceedings,
should
we
run
into
legal
questions
so
moved
second.
C
A
A
A
C
My
decision
would
be
vocally
to
wait
until
the.
A
E
A
G
On
the
agenda,
is
it
found
within
our
application
package.
G
C
You
I
move
that
we
postpone
that
until
the
21st.
D
Yeah
that
what
that
is
just
for
clarification
and
we'll
I'll
talk
about
this
on
staff
comments.
At
the
end,
you
all
voted
at
the
August
meeting
to
have
an
optional
purpose
of
the
board.
Rent.
That's
up
to
the
chair.
I
actually
gave
him
a
scripted
agenda.
I
can
do
that
for
all
of
you
from
now
on,
if
you'd
like,
so
that
was
you've,
you
all
voted
that
you
would
put
it
in
your
rules
or
procedure
and
you
could
read
it
or
not.
You
could
modify
it
at
any
time.
D
G
D
G
Do
that
if
I
may
but
there's
a
motion
on
the
floor.
G
G
G
We
might
stand
and
say
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance
to
the
flag
and
then
we
might
should
we
want
to
take
a
moment
and
some
people
bow
their
heads
and
we
might
say
some
few
words
of
guidance,
just
general
terms
of
Guidance,
just
a
quiet
moment
where
we
can
talk
about
why
we
meet
as
a
group
in
any
of
the
public.
That
is
there
and
then,
following
that,
we
might
read
this
statement
so
that
every
person
that
was
here
could
hear
those
words
that
to
us
might
be
obvious.
G
But
to
those
that
have
never
joined
a
meeting
before
might
get
some
clarification
about
the
purpose
of
the
board
and
why
we
meet
in
this
board
and
community
and
then
that
would
be
it
and
then
we
just
sit
down
and
go
on.
So
this
is
perfect
because
we
were
going
to
discuss
other
items.
That's
how
that
might
fall
down
and
I'm
happy
to
lead
that
that
old
school
pledge
of
allegiance
a
few
words
to
your
God
and
then
a
description
of.
Why
we're
here
and
then
we
get
on
down
to
business.
A
G
G
B
A
B
Is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
where
the
board
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing,
it
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
facts
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
B
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
F
B
B
A
D
Yes,
this
is
the
Time
Warp
garage
and
it
is
located
up
north
of
the
river
on
Eleanor
Industrial
Boulevard.
D
In
an
existing
industrial
site,
you
can
see
the
surrounding
area,
one
of
the
things
I'll
talk
about
a
little
bit.
This
is
pretty
much
an
industrial
area.
This
is
Wendy
bayshore's
down
here.
This
is
the
RO
plant.
As
you
know,
this
is
Riverbend
Village,
which
is
a
plan
development
that
had
both
industrial
and
residential
components.
That
is
relatively
new,
so
that's
kind
of
where
that
site
is
situated
amongst
all
those
sites.
D
So
this
is
located
again
in
a
unit
in
a
in
the
building,
we'll
see
in
a
minute
where
that
is
on
l,
r
Industrial.
This
is
classified
as
major
vehicle
repair
by
your
code.
This
is
in
industrial,
restricted
zoning.
Your
code
calls
painting,
Vehicles
a
major
vehicle,
repair
and
I
kind
of
think.
It's
left
over
a
little
bit
from
kind
of
the
Earl
shibe
days.
D
D
D
This
is
meets
the
requirements
of
the
lab
development
code.
It
did
go
to
TRC
on
August
11th
and
the
applicant
did
have
a
lot
of
feedback
and
interaction
with
building
and
fire.
There
are
several
codes
that
he
will
have
to
meet,
and
so
he
is,
we've
got
him
started
on
those
and
he's
ready
to
apply
for
a
building
permit.
D
This
is
an
industrial
area.
It's
industrial
on
three
sides
of
this
property
again
across
the
street
on
l
r
is
the
you
can
see
on
the
aerial
there,
the
Riverbend
residential
area,
that's
new,
so
all
this
was
existing.
It
would
not
went
in.
They
have
a
substantial
buffer
here
that
was
required.
This
was
this
was
approved
by
Pinellas
County.
The
county
did
require
this.
This
large
treat
buffer,
it's
a
conservation
Eastman
on
it
to
kind
of
buffer
from
the
existing
industrial
uses.
D
D
We
feel
that
this
will
not
adversely
affect
the
joining
property
values.
Even
the
Riverbend
subdivision
has
been
actively
building
and
values
of
at
least
remains
stable
or
gone
up
since
that
was
initiated.
I
will
say
too
that
this
particular
property
has
like
uses.
They
have
a
automobile
parts,
manufacturer
fabrication,
type
use
and
some
other
similar
uses
already
there.
D
The
city
is
currently
serving
this
property
and
has
the
capacity
to
serve
the
property.
Then
there
won't
really
be
any
increase.
Undue
increase
on
the
surfaces-
and
we
feel
like
this
continues
the
viable
use
of
that
industrial
property.
It's
an
employment
area,
so
we
feel
it
does
meet
criteria.
Seven.
D
E
I
have
a
question:
is
this
a
tactical
question?
Maybe
applicant
can
answer
it,
but
there's
a
lot
of
data.
That's
attached
to
this
application
and
I
suspect
it
has
to
do
with
emissions
and
and
the
requirements
of
the
of
putting
it
up.
Okay,
so
I
think
that
maybe
the
applicant
would
be
better
suited
to
respond
to
those
questions.
Yes,.
C
So
Pat,
so
what
agencies
monitor
the
system?
Environmentally.
D
That
I
know
of
the
Protection
Agency
and
the
applicant
might
be
able
to
expand
on
that.
Obviously,
our
own
building
and
fire
codes
kick
in
as
well.
C
But
as
far
as
the
any
emissions
or
toxicity
from
paint
is
that's
We
There
are
agencies
that
monitor
that
yeah.
D
And
EPA
is
the
ultimate
yeah.
I
was
going
to
say
at
the
state
level.
It's
probably
admit,
I
would
say:
dep
administers
air
quality
type
applications,
so
they
probably
okay.
C
And
that's
permits
that
the
applicant
would
have
to
get
yes,
okay,
and
so
the
the
the
the
the
resident
the
residents
from
because
I
could
see
right
across
the
street
is
the
Riverbend
and
I
assume
all
those
residents
were
notified
of.
D
This
anyone
within
500
feet
so
at
least
a
long
l,
r,
industrial
and.
D
C
D
C
D
C
You
hear
any
complaints
about
this.
D
No
complaints,
we
had
a
request
from
a
gentleman
that
I
believe
lives
on
Giroux
Boulevard.
We
look
back
at
our
mailing
as
she
went
to
hearing
would
be,
but
he
did
not
provide
any
comment
or
have
any
questions
about
the
application.
Okay,.
D
C
Didn't
that
did
that
gentleman
stand
up
for
to
be
sworn.
D
I,
don't
think
so,
but
we
can
get
to
that
one.
Okay,.
C
A
G
G
Normal
inconsistent
to
have
approved
previously
and
probably
in
the
future,
reasonably
dense
residential
areas,
I'm
going
to
use
druru
Boulevard,
which
appear
to
be
all
single
family
and
I
happen
to
know.
We've
got
multi-family
to
the
South
that
our
that
our
adjacent
to
heavy
use
industrial
and
does
our
comprehensive
plan
and
current
zoning
environment
not
just
approve
but
encourage
that
juxtaposition
of
heavy
industrial
and
residential.
D
My
knowledge
of
that
project
is
that
there
were.
You,
know
some
back
and
forth
negotiations
and
and
kind
of
massaging
that
that
this
new
idea,
which
was
you
know,
let
us
have
some
residential
and
we'll
do
you
know
with
our
business
parking
industrial.
Let's
see
how
that
goes,
they
they
were
able
to
get
that
project
approved
by
forward
Pinellas
in
Pinellas
County.
D
It's
kind
of
a
I
won't
say
experimental,
but
just
you're
right,
an
unusual
idea,
rather
than
the
old
euclidean
type
zoning
that
that
we've
talked
about
in
the
past,
so
that
was
approved
under
the
county.
I
would
say
it's
something
we
could
look
at.
I
would
say
that
we
haven't
had
such
a
thing
proposed
here
in
the
city
yet,
but
I
think
that's
a
subject
that
you
all
are
looking
at
and
we'll
be
looking
at
of
what
happens
north
of
the
river
in
the
compliment
with
our
updates.
D
G
G
G
G
And
instead
we
got
a
very
pleasant,
pure
residential
with
green
grass,
because
I
remember
that
Community
I
mean
and
complaining
about
their
water
rates
and
wanted
it
reduced
because
they
were
providing
homes
that
had
no
irrigation,
no
reclaimed
water
and
they
were
using
their
potable
water
to
water,
their
lawns.
And
they
were
frankly
irritated
that
they
had
to
do
that.
G
Because
I
was
here
at
that
commission
meeting
when
our
supervisor
of
that
department,
Paul
Smith
had
to
reduce
our
overall
and
forgive
me
but
I'm
going
to
go
off
on
a
tiny
tangent.
And
this
is
why
it's
critical
is
that
about
two
years
ago,
as
part
of
long
range
planning
for
our
potable
water
and
sanitary
sewer,
that
the
manager
of
that
department
had
to
make
very
long
planning
agendas
and
and
specifically
water
rate
projections.
G
We
all
know
how
that
goes.
We've
all
probably
personally,
all
been
through
that.
This
is
a
wonderful
example
of
why
we
are
rewriting
that
and
why
that
that
project,
probably
it
should
have
undergone
a
little
bit
more
scrutiny
and
I'm,
going
to
add
a
little
bit
of
icing
on
the
cake.
We've
all
driven
that
road,
it's
dangerous!
It's
not
appropriate
and.
D
That
is
a
discussion
for
your
comprehensive
plan
up
that
I
will
say,
although
it's
not
really
directly
the
subject
of
of
this
application,
that
that
project
has
been
been
successful,
it's
something
I
would,
if
you
want
to
explore.
I
would
definitely
have
that
discussion
with
Renee
and
with
our
consultant
on.
D
Under
what
circumstances
you
you
would
be:
okay
with
it
that
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
at
with
that.
Thank.
D
Yes,
like
I,
say
within
500
feet
so
again,
girou
Boulevard,
which
is
which
is
a
very
old
subdivision.
You
know
some
of
them
received
and
I
I
would
say.
Probably
maybe
half
the
Lots.
Probably
you
know
received
that.
C
Can
I
ask
one
more
question?
Yes,
obviously
people
need
to
get
their
Vehicles
painted
and
repaired
right,
and
is
this
the
part
of
town
that
we
would
expect
for
people
to
get
their
cars
painted
and
repaired?
Yes,.
H
H
A
H
Basically,
we
are
a
very
small
producer
of
emissions.
We
are
just
a
two-man
operation,
father-son
automotive,
repair
shop.
We
do
classic
and
antique
cars
a
little
bit
of
restoration.
Along
with
that
comes
hey
my
wife,
backed
into
something
hey.
My
son
did
this
or
whatever,
so
we
do
some
Collision
work
on
top
of
the
booth
that
we're
putting
in
what
came
out
of
an
existing
building
were
an
existing
building
in
Clear
Water.
We
had
they
sold
our
property
earlier
this
year
and
we
were
forced
to
move
because
of
that.
H
Tarpon
was
the
closest
place
that
would
consider
the
zoning
required
for
the
paint
booth.
The
paint
booth
that
we
do
use
the
filters
and
material
in
it
produces
or
capture
an
emissions
rate
of
99.5
percent
particulate
on
a
10
Micron
count,
which
is
actually
very
well
state
requirements
are
16,
18
gram,
filter
material,
we're
using
22
gram,
which
is
above
what
state
requirement
like
I
said
earlier,
we're
not
a
production
shop.
H
You
don't
drop
your
car
off
at
five
o'clock
or
eight
o'clock
in
the
morning
expect
to
pick
it
up
at
five
o'clock
at
night.
We
do
stuff
more
long
term.
There
could
be
a
week
two
weeks
that
the
paint
booth
isn't
even
on
okay,
that
we're
not
even
painting
anything
so
again,
we're
just
we're
just
a
small
producer
of
emissions
and
hazardous
materials,
everything
that
gets
used
and
is
recycled
as
much
as
we
can
and
disposed
of
in
accordance
with
state
city
and
federal
regulations.
H
That
could
be
random.
You
know
it
could
be
twice
a
year.
It
could
be
once
a
year
in
the
last
eight
years
that
we
had
been
in
Clearwater
location,
pre-covered.
We
were
inspected
once
a
year
and
our
business
was
located
right
next
door
to
the
city
of
Clearwater
sanitation
department
on
Hercules
Avenue.
We
never
had
a
problem
with
any
fire
marshal
any
Pinellas,
County
official
city
of
Clearwater
or
anybody.
You
know
we
had
a
good
rapport
with
every
municipality
that
we
dealt
with.
E
H
H
H
Where's
that
that's
actually
behind
the
large
building,
there's
a
smaller
building
there
that
do
you
know.
H
C
F
G
C
Just
kidding
so
so
when
you're
painting,
you're
painting
in
this
booth,
the
bay
doors
aren't
open
at
that
time.
Obviously
you
want
to
keep
all
contaminants
out
right.
H
It's
all
self-contained:
okay,
okay,
so
it
has
filtered
air
coming
in
filtered
air
going
out.
There's
a
fire
suppression
system
on
it.
So
everything
outside
of
the
spray
booth
is
not
affected.
Okay,
everything
is
contained
inside.
We
can
paint
the
car
in
there
and
finish
it
shut
the
booth
off
and
leave
it
staged
in
there
overnight.
So
nothing
is
sitting
out
in
the
parking
lot
gassing
out
or
anything
like
that.
Okay,.
H
May
you
may
smell
a
little
bit
of
fume
from
it
just
like
anything
else
that
you
may
smell
in
the
air,
I
mean
standing
there
at
the
shop.
I
can
smell
fiberglass
resins
from
Dorado
boats.
You
know
so
it
just
depends
on
which
way
the
wind
is
blowing,
and
you
may
have
a
faint
odor
of
of
material
that
we're
using.
C
Obviously
my
concern
is
the
is
the
neighborhood
that
was
annexed
in
that's
now.
You
know
part
of
our
city
and
then
we
also
have
the
public,
our
that's
our
that's
our
reverse
osmosis
plant
right.
D
C
Utilities,
it
would
include
the
engineers
that
are
part
of
the
of
the
reverse
osmosis
plan.
Yes,.
A
Seeing
none
will
call
for
public
comments.
Do
we
have
any
members
of
the
public
here
wishing
to
comment
on
this
item.
A
Will
close
public
comments
and
bring
the
item
back
to
the
board
for
consideration?
We.
F
A
G
G
Bless
your
heart,
your
patience
is
appreciated,
is
relevant
and
it
was
an
opportunity
when
one
sees
that
map.
We
hadn't
seen
that
for
quite
some
time
and
I'll
make
another
relevant
point
is
that
it
was
not
that
long
ago
that
this
board
suggested
that
all
residents
in
my
memory
might
be
wrong.
All
residents
within
one
thousand
feet
should
have
been
notified
and
somehow
somewhere
that
didn't
get
done
and
here's
why
I
think
that's
relevant
for
discussion?
C
C
A
D
Located
121
East
Tarpon
The
Proposal
is
to
occupy
the
existing
building
and
expand
that
building
to
about
double
its
size,
maybe
a
teeny
bit
over
double
its
size
and
the
uses
would
include
a
restaurant
outdoor
bar
office
and
meetings
base.
Basically,
this
is
in
the
downtown
character.
District
in
the
Tarpon
Avenue
Main
Street
transect.
D
And
it's
located
right
in
the
heart
of
downtown
between
Safford
and
Pinellas.
On
the
North
side,
this
is
the
old
cliche
Lounge.
That
was
the
last
thing
that
it
was.
D
Again,
there's
the
site:
this
is
the
Tarpon
Avenue
Main
Street,
transect
you're,
bordered
by
the
residential
retail
office
t4a,
and
then
this
starts
North
Pinellas
here
down
here
starts
South
Penn,
Hills
transects.
D
This
is
in
the
furnald
building
a
year
old
is
commercial
building
in
Tarpon
Springs.
This
was
built
right
after
the
fire,
downtown
fire
and
just
a
point
of
Interest.
It
did
originally
serve
as
a
general
store
on
the
first
floor
with
a
kind
of
a
social
Hall.
On
the
second
floor,
this
is
a
survey
of
the
property
again
there's
a
building
up
at
the
front
comes
right
up
onto
Tarpon,
Avenue
and
in
an
open
area
in
the
back
that
has
various.
D
D
The
idea
is
to
make
it
more
more
of
a
pedestrian
oriented
direct
pedestrians
to
that
alley
and
make
it
more
of
an
active
alley
in
the
daytime,
and
in
the
evening
this
is
disciple
and
from
the
from
the
top
it
looks
pretty
basic
the
current
building,
the
new
two-story
building
in
the
back
and
then
the
outdoor
bar,
and
that
opens
up
onto
the
alley.
D
This
is
a
rear,
architectural
elevation
of
the
building.
I'll
talk
about
it
in
a
minute,
but
this
has
been
to
the
Heritage
preservation
board.
They
didn't
approve,
they
have
reviewed
this
project
and
it
also
did
receive
a
variance
from
the
board
of
adjustment
for
floor
area,
just
because
there
were
some
conflicting
information
in
the
code
regarding
floor
area.
D
Okay,
so
I
do
have
the
dumpster
highlighted
because
it
doesn't
exactly
match
what
what
the
HPB
approved
and
there
is
a
condition
to
address
that
it
needs
to
be
I'm.
Sorry,
it's
not
a
dumpster.
It's
a
trash
enclosure
I'll
get
to
that
in
a
minute,
but
this
is
this:
is
the
elevation
ehpb
approved
with
the
trash
enclosure
behind
the
staircase
supports
yeah.
C
Can
I
make
a
point?
Member
Francis
has
shown
up
and
I
mean
you've
been
talking
for
about
two
or
three
minutes.
D
C
C
C
D
D
These
are
the
uses
and
we'll
get
into
that
a
little
bit
more
in
a
second.
This
is
in
the
Tarpon
Avenue
Main
Street
transect
downtown
character,
District,
and
this
is
the
location
between
Pinellas
and
and
Safford
on
the
north
side
of
Tarpon
Avenue
again,
this
is
Tarpon
Avenue,
Main,
Street,
transect
kind
of
shows
where
that
is
retail
and
offices
north
and
south
and,
of
course,
on
Pinellas.
You've
got
the
corridor
transects,
which
are
the
north
Benoist
Ave,
and
the
South
vanilla,
South.
D
Again,
this
is
the
I
guess
from
what
I'm
reading
the
oldest
commercial
building
downtown
in
Tarpon
Springs
the
shows
the
old
list,
the
old
uses
which
are
listed
on
the
Sanborn
fire
Insurance
Maps.
D
This
is
the
survey
the
existing
building
is
here
and
behind
it
is
a
is
a
clear
open
space
with
concrete
I
think,
there's
two
trees
back
there,
not
very
large
trees
and
pavers,
and
some
other
old
leftover
foundations
and
things.
The
site
plan
has
the
existing
building,
which
will
be
completely
renovated
inside
and
a
two-story
Edition,
which
again
is
just
about
double
the
double
size
of
floor
area
of
this
building
and
then
the
outdoor
bar
area.
D
This
is
a
rear
elevation
View.
So
this
shows
the
view
from
the
alley
and
I
forgot
to
mention
that.
Obviously,
there's
an
alley
back
here
that
the
city
is
looking
to
make
more
active,
we've
got
lights
back
there
now
I
haven't
been
back
there
in
the
evening,
but
we're
looking
to
make
it
pedestrian
friendly
and
attractive
to
pedestrian
traffic.
D
And
then
it's
on
Tarpon
Avenue
next
door
here
is
I
want
to
say,
factless
shoes-
and
here
is
the
replay
music
replay
Museum.
D
Just
to
give
you
locational
context,
this
is
the
rear
elevation.
The
outdoor
bar.
This
is
the
just
the
wall
for
the
inside
of
the
building
and
the
materials
I
can
show
you
that
in
a
minute
again,
everything
was
approved
by
the
Heritage
preservation
board
as
far
as
scale
massing
materials,
all
very
detailed.
What
they
approved.
D
We
did
write
a
recommended
condition
regarding
the
dumpster
because
it
doesn't
exactly
match
what
the
Heritage
preservation
board
approved.
So
this
was
the
elevation
they
approved,
which
which
really
matches
the
one
I
just
showed
you
except
the
the
trash
enclosure
is,
is
a
little
more
subdued
so
that
it's
not
a
prominent
feature
in
the
alley
from
the
alley
View
and
that
that
shows
you
some
of
the
materials.
You
can
look
in
your
your
packet
to
see
what
some
of
those
materials
were.
D
D
D
D
This
is
kind
of
hard
to
see
on
a
slide,
but
these
are
the
floor
plan
for
the
building.
What
you
have
downstairs
in
the
applicants
here,
they
can
explain
a
little
better
for
you.
You've
got
the
restaurant,
a
couple
of
offices
and
then
some
kind
of
common
area
space
for
events
upstairs
you've
got
a
co-working
space
in
the
Middle,
with
offices
around
and
then
outside
is
the
exterior
outside
bar
so
again
the
site
plan.
D
D
Okay,
so
the
the
downtown
transect,
as
you
as
you
may
remember,
does
not
require
parking.
If
there's
adequate
parking
within
a
five
minute,
walk
and
staff
has
determined.
There
is
so
there's
no
parking
required.
Vehicular
access
would
be.
You
know
there,
there's
no
driveway
or
vehicular
access
to
the
site.
The
applicant
and
the
owner
may
be
using
this
alley.
For
to
that,
you
can
drive
back
here
with
a
smaller
truck.
D
F
D
Solid
Waste
will
be
handled
with
a
dumpster
located
in
the
Orange
Street
parking
lot
over.
Here.
That's
a
common
dumpster
used
by
multiple
businesses.
This
building
is
already
on
that
account
and
that
dumpster
will
is
actually
in
the
works
to
be
upgraded
with
the
trash
compactor
to
to
handle
these
businesses
as
they
expand
and
grow.
So
Solid
Waste
is
just
taken
care
of.
In
that
way,
the
property
has
an
impervious
surface
ratio
of
0.85
and
the
developers
going
to
lower
it
very
slightly.
They
would
not.
D
They
would
not
have
been
able
to
increase
that,
because
this
is
a
Redevelopment
of
over
30
percent
of
the
current
size,
so
they
have
to
to
keep
that
impervious
surface
the
same
or
meet
the
new
code.
They've
come
up
with
a
worked
with
our
staff
to
come
up
with
a
creative
solution
on
the
back
near
the
alley
for
for
handling
storm
water.
D
The
applicant
has
indicated
that
they
are
going
to
be
doing
public
art
I,
don't
know
if
they
would
be
able
to
answer
what
they
think
they're
going
to
do
at
this
point,
I
haven't
asked,
but
staff
is
recommending
a
condition
that
they
get
with
public
art
committee
as
soon
as
possible,
because
that
would
hold
up
the
CEO
of
public
art
were
not
done
prior
to
CEO.
So
that's
something
they
need
the
process.
They
need
to
start
with
right
away
so
that
those
are
some
of
your
Land
Development
code
considerations.
D
The
property
is
already
served
by
the
city,
so
we
can
serve
the
property
with
utilities
and
services.
This.
D
Project
does
comply
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
with
special
area
plan,
including
compatibility
and
I,
provided
a
discussion
of
that
on
page
four
of
your
staff
report
and
it's
expected
to
comply
with
all
other
city
codes.
Trc
reviewed
this.
D
I
can
find
the
date
in
a
minute,
but
rest
assured
TRC
did
review
this,
and
that
was
at
their
September
8th
meeting
and
recommended
moving
the
application
forward.
So
staff
is
recommending
approval
with
six
conditions,
one
addressing
the
trash
enclosure
being
consistent
with
HPB
approval.
D
We
need
little
more
detail
on
the
storm
water
with
the
building
permit,
but
our
stormwater
engineer
agrees
that
this
solution
is
going
to
work
meeting
all
the
Land
Development
code,
coordinating
with
public
art
as
soon
as
possible
and
paying
all
fees
and
submitting
the
building
permit
within
one
year
of
site
plan
approval.
Are
there
any
questions
on
this?
One.
E
E
We're
at
assets
doubling
the
size
of
the
footprint
of
this
property,
okay,
I
I,
could
tell
you,
there's
there's
a
couple:
City
parking
lots
in
the
vicinity,
but
parking
is
an
issue
downtown
and
you
know
so
if
everybody
wanted
to
expand
their
their
business
or
or
take
their
even
existing
structure,
because
a
lot
of
these
are
are
shops
and
stuff
like
that
here.
We're
creating
offices,
I
think
I
counted
over
25
offices.
E
So
if
you
count
offices,
whether
it's
one
person
per
office
or
two
people
per
office
or
or
even
customers
that
come
to
visit
somebody
in
the
office,
so
you're
looking
at
a
significant
number
of
parking
needs
in
the
downtown
area.
Would
that
be
a
fair
statement?
Yeah,
okay
and
we
don't
have
adequate
parking
downtown
as
it
is,
and
and
and
so
we're
asking
there.
The
applicant
is
asking
to
double
the
size
of
the
of
the
the
building.
E
And
I'm
my
concern,
my
concern
is
we
we
want
to
see
some
some.
You
know
this.
It's
a
nice
plan
and
everything,
but
I
don't
know
burdening
the
downtown
with
with,
with
that
size
of
a
structure
for
the
parking
requirements
that
it'll
have.
Maybe
the
applicant
has
an
idea,
but
question
for
you
is
how
many
parking
spaces
are
allotted
per
square
foot
generally.
D
E
D
Okay,
if
this
were
required
to
have
parking
transect
code
is,
is
pretty
lenient
on
parking.
No
matter
where
you
are,
the
standard
is
generally
two
and
a
half
I
think
for
office.
I
could
look
it
up
three
per
thousand
square
feet
for
retail,
so
two
and
a
half
to
three
per
thousand
square
feet.
F
Are
you
coming
go
ahead,
follow-up
question
to
Mike,
you
said
if
it
were
required,
what
constitutes
whether
it's
required
or
not
required
whether.
D
D
D
Okay,
so
here's
the
alley:
it's
only
seven
and
a
half
feet
wide
on
the
ends
and
in
some
of
these
areas
due
to
past
whatever
right
old,
vacates
or
whatever
happened.
So
it's
substandard.
You
really
can't
use
it
for
customer
traffic
so
that
that's
there
there
wouldn't
really
be
any
access
on
site
to
park,
but
really
the
intent
of
this
downtown
area
is
to
basically
utilize
it
like
it
was
like
it
was
utilized
when
it
was
built.
D
So
I
did
provide
a
slide
because
I
thought
you
might
ask
this
of
parking
that
is
available
within
a
five
minute.
Walk
I
know
it's
a
bad
slide,
but
I
did
it
real
quick?
This
is
the
esri
five-minute
walk
bubble.
This
isn't
all
the
parking
lots
and,
of
course,
there's
on
street
parking
and
as
Mr
couscous
pointed
out,
the
city
is
always
working
on
expanding
its
parking.
The
idea
with
the
downtown
transect
is
to
encourage
Redevelopment
of
that
community
redevelopment
area
and
a
good
adaptive,
reuse
and
activation
of
the
area.
D
So
that
is
why
your
code
exempts
that
area
from
from
parking.
If
there
is
parking
within
a
walking
distance.
F
D
F
D
Have
agreements
with
at
least
three
Banks
I
can
think
of
right
up
top
my
head
truest?
What's
the
one
downtown,
not
Flagship?
Well,.
F
D
Yeah
I
think
we
just
executed
and
that's
on
here,
one
not
long
ago
with
with
the
church,
the
restaurant
I
would
say
you
know,
you're
gonna
get
I
mean
the
the
applicant
didn't
really
give
us
a
a
capture
kind
of
calculation,
okay,
the
traffic
calculation
or
the
the
trip
generation
which,
as
you
guys
remember,
is
something
that
the
use
is
attracting
someone
to
get
in
their
car
and
go
there
as
a
destination.
D
The
drip
Generation
difference
between
the
previous
bar
and
this
isn't
that
much
it's
pretty
much
much
a
wash
okay,
but
there
would
presumably
be
passed
by
capture
of
people
who
are
downtown
already
they
came
downtown
and
then
they
go
to
the
restaurant
to
Mr
cuscooter's
point
on
the
office.
I
would
like
to
have
the
applicant
address
that
a
little
bit
as
do
the
intended
use
of
the
uses
of
these
offices,
and
but
they
will
be
permitted
as
offices.
B
E
E
I
know
the
answer
is
no,
you
know,
because
the
parking
lots
that
we
seem
that
we
have
downtown
sometimes
is
service
the
businesses.
What
I
mean
the
businesses?
That
means
the
employees
that
work
downtown.
E
You
know
you
have
a
parking
lot.
That's
adjacent
the
one
right
a
bit
right
by
the
right
behind
there
behind
fatless's
in
you
know,
with
with
the
the
building
this
size
and
the
number
of
offices,
I
could
see
that
parking
lot
being
completely
utilized.
E
Just
for
that
building
and-
and
you
know,
the
the
business
is
along-
Tarpon
Avenue,
okay,
rely
on
the
the
flow
of
traffic
people
coming
in
and
out
coming
spending
an
hour
spending
two
hours
at
parking
there.
That
parking
lot
is
used
multiple
times
that
same
space,
so
you
so,
but
when
you
have
a
permanent
structure
or
permanent
offices,
sometimes
people
are
there
for
the
the
business
day.
E
So
so
the
the
the
parking
spot
is
not
being
used
again
all
day,
and
and
so
you,
where
we
you
see,
you've
got
spaces.
It's
one
thing
to
have
spaces
that
that
you
know
cars
come
and
go
the
spaces
are
available.
E
But
when
you
have
a
business
and
you
park
there
for
the
day,
you're
generally
you're
not
going
anywhere
and
I
guess
that's
my
that's
one
of
the
concerns
and
maybe
the
applicant
can
address
that,
but
that
that's
a
concern
for
for
I
have
in
expanding
that
particular
footprint
by
more
than
double
so
you
know,
maybe
the
applicant
could
address
that.
C
C
C
You
know
this
is
I
assume
this
is
going
to
be
some
form
of
a
membership
thing
right,
so
I'm
I
know
I'm
not
supposed
to
be
talking
to
him
yet,
but
I
would
assume
this
is
going
to
be
some
form
of
a
membership
thing,
and
one
of
the
conditions
we
could
put
in
here
is
that
that
membership
does
not
allow
them
to
to
park
on
the
street.
Then
we
could
designate
somewhere
whether
it's
the
that
one,
the
one
over
by
lasante
Fitness.
C
With
that
one
parking
lot,
we
have
there
that
that
actually
looks
terrible,
which
needs
the
city
needs
to
clean
up,
but
that
one
do
you
know
which
one
I'm
talking
about
I
think
it's
on
the
street
yeah
you.
B
E
C
The
one
over
there
by
Johnny's,
Tap,
House
or
whatever
that
one
back
there.
That's
when
that's
within
nice,
walking
distance,
you
have
the
church
parking
lot,
which
is
a
nice
walking
distance
for
this
location,
so
I
think,
there's
probably
a
way
to
in
to
have
the
the
owners
create.
Some
kind
of
you
know:
membership
restriction
that
does
not
allow
them
to
park
on
the
street.
If
they're
going
to
be
there,
they
have
to
park
elsewhere
and
if
they
violate
the
app
the
the
owner's
gonna,
throw
them
out.
E
C
Police
that
yeah
well,
just
like
you
police
anything
I
mean
it
would
it
may
there
have
maybe
have
to
have
a
temporary,
a
sticker
that
that
is
restricted
parking
I'm
just
saying
there
may
be
a
way
to
to
compromise
and
get
something
because
I
I
think
this
I
mean
this
looks
to
me
like
the
Oxford
Exchange,
which
is
you
know,
kind
of
a
cool
concept
and
some
not
necessarily
against
it.
C
But
I
do
I,
do
see
the
parking
thing
but
and
going
back
to
the
question
about
you
know
parking
spaces
per
unit
downtown
nobody
would
buy,
nobody
could
buy
any
building
downtown
and
offer
parking
because
there's
no
parking
going
with
any
building
right.
So
it
doesn't
it's
just
kind
of
a
moot
point.
C
Let
me
ask
some
more
questions.
While
I
got
the
microphone
here,
you
talked
about
the
alleyway
and
you
said
some
small
trucks
can
go
back
there
we'll
be
allowed
to
go
back.
D
C
D
So
yeah.
C
D
C
Probably
want
to
use
it
for
delivery,
so
is
what
is
the
setback
to
the
alley
on
on
that
project?
Is
the.
C
C
C
Now,
the
back
of
that
building
in
order
to
have
this
addition
put
on
it.
As
that,
back
of
that
building
been,
is
it
going
to
be
stripped
off.
D
Again,
the
applicant
can
address
it,
but
I
would
say
no
not
to
its
current
condition.
That's
correct.
C
And
I'm
sorry
I
got
a
bunch
of
all
right.
Everything
else
I
have
is
for
the
applicant.
A
All
right
do
we
do
we
have
any
other
questions
for
staff.
G
D
G
G
G
G
And
then
to
the
dumpster,
if
and
I
know
you
kept
using
a
different
term
garbage
can
dumpster
and
such
I
didn't
quite
follow
that
that
group
use
of
and
now
I
understand
why?
But
but
can
you
clarify
how
this
restaurant
and
business
is
going
to
get
rid
of
their
trash.
D
Yes,
they
will
deposit
the
trash
into
a
dumpster
located
over
by
Tarpon
Tavern
at
the
Orange
Street
parking
lot
that
is
used
by
multiple
businesses.
D
D
G
D
The
trance,
the
character,
District
ISR,
is
actually
90.
It's.
D
D
Okay
for
this
project,
I'll
just
say
it
that
way,
because
this
is
a
like
I
said
almost
double
the
size
of
the
building
the
storm
water
code
would
normally
have
kicked
in,
but
it,
but
so
the
applicant
has
we
as
the
applicant
if
they
could
keep
the
impervious
where
it
is
now
so
that
it
didn't
have
to
be
brought
up
to
current
code.
D
They
have
done
that
they've
actually
lowered
it.
A
tiny
bit
and
the
applicant
can
explain
what
they're
doing,
but
they
they're
using
pervious
and
papers
in
the
back,
crashed
area
they're,
providing
a
bubbler
for
heavy
storm
events
to
address
City
staff
for
concern
about
the
alley
water
running
down
the
alley.
So
that's
to
prevent
erosion
in
the
alley.
So
that's
what
they're
doing
they've
reduced
the
impervious
and
they're
making
it
a
little
better
than
it
is
now.
D
D
G
And
then,
therefore,
with
the
Redevelopment
of
this
lot,
because
it
is
a
Redevelopment,
there
would
be
no
requirement
to
trap
any
of
the
roof,
storm
water
or
any
of
the
lot
storm
water.
On
that
nothing
changes,
they
don't
provide
a
storm
water
plan.
We
just
hope
that
nothing
runs
off
down
the
alley
in
the
future.
No.
D
G
I,
look
forward
to
that:
okay,
five
minute,
walk
to
I'm,
sure,
stormwater
parking
and
then
just
just
a
refresher.
The
same
question
to
other
gentlemen's
have
asked
what
part
of
our
code
specifically
gives
the
pass
for
the
no
parking
at
all.
I
know.
You
said
it's
transact,
but
man
I
want
to
hear
it,
because
this
is
a
pretty
big
pass
because
we
Hammer
other
new
developments
or
reconstructions
that
that
have
to
provide
certain
parking
places.
D
B
B
Least
no
but
I
wanted
to
ask
that
about
the
transect
as
well
and
I.
Think
Mr
Vesey
addressed
it
when
with
the
previous
applicant
about
the
comprehensive
use
plan.
So
is
that
something
that's
being
addressed?
Is
this
transect
this
tb5
gonna
come?
Is
that
going
to
be
like
rezoned
or
with
the
new
comprehensive
news
planner?
Is
that
going
to
be
looked
at
again,
or
is
this
just
how
it
is.
D
In
the
comprehensive
plan,
your
entire
special
area,
planets
was
in
in
What's
called
the
community.
The
community
redevelopment
District
future
land
use
map
category
okay,
the
special
area
plan,
which
is
kind
of
the
comp
plan
of
of
the
downtown
at
Sponge
Docks
and
the
transect
code
governed
this
area
and
the
Sponge
Docks.
Those
are
not.
We
are
not
going
through
a
revision
of
either
of
those
right
now:
okay,
not
a
wholesale
revision.
D
B
E
Some
of
those
buildings
as
well
downtown
have
residential
units
up
on
top
correct,
okay
and
obviously
those
are
and
and
those
Property
Owners
or
those
buildings
do
not
have
private
parking
for
those
residences
either
either.
That
would
that
be
a
fair
statement.
D
D
E
So
when,
when
you
read
what
you
read
for
Mr
vessey,
the
word
adequate
was
not
part
of
the
definition.
We've
talked
about
parking
in
the
transect
zone,
the
word
adequate.
Is
it
in
there.
So
that
being
said,
if
any
of
the
buildings
in
the
downtown
area
decided,
you
know
what
I'm
going
to
expand,
whether
it's
going
up
if
they
were
allowed
to
or
double
in
size,
as
this
one
is
proposing
to
do,
and
we
had
tons
of
a
lot
more
need
for
parking
downtown.
D
And
and
I
will
say,
I
mean
so
the
downtown
character
District
for
this
block
of
Tarpon
Avenue
has
really
the
highest
floor
area
ratio
allowance
in
your
in
your
206
code.
It's
two
so
200.
So
if
this
is
a
floor
area
and
at
the
same
time
that
was
adopted
and
then
this
exemption
was
put
in
and
I
would
this
was
adopted
in
2011.
I
would
venture
to
guess
he
had
less
parking.
Then,
when
this
was
adopted,
the
idea
was
to
incentivize
this,
especially
this
block
of
of
Tarpon
Avenue,
so
so
For,
Better
or
Worse.
D
E
Okay,
so
you
know
the
high
floor
area
and
yeah
ironically
downtown
not
that
I'm
trying
to
compare
but
Downtown
Dunedin
I
think
had
the
same
problem.
You
go
downtown
today,
there's
no
place
to
park.
You
drive
around
the
block
several
times.
Apparently
Downtown
Dunedin
ended
up
is
building
a
parking
garage
dissatisfy
its
needs,
and
you
know
it's
not
the
applicant's
fault,
but
you
know
maybe
that's
something,
the
city
if
they
want
to
continue
to
invite
or
or
allow
the
growth
of
the
downtown
I
I.
E
You
know
providing
adequate
parking
because
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
along
the
trail.
E
D
D
And
to
your
point,
I've
been
here
five
years,
I
know
I've
seen
two
or
three
times
at
least
Board
of
commissioner
workshops
where
parking
garage
was
a
subject
of
discussion,
so
I
know
the
city
has
discussed
it
in
the
past.
I
have
no
idea
what
the
status
of
that
might
be.
D
A
An
awful
lot
of
the
other
jurisdictions
that
have
have
faced
this
same
situation,
of
course,
they're
using
the
computer
app
for
parking
where
everybody
pays
for
parking
in
in
all
the
public
parking
space
in
town
and
that
I
think
successfully
sees
to
it
that
the
parking
turns
over.
But
that
creates
a
whole
nother
set
of
problems
for
the
the
people
that
have
to
live
in
the
area
and
deal
with
it.
So
it's
a
it's
a
trade-off
because
we're.
E
C
The
has
has
the
city
done,
a
parking
study
tell
I
mean
because
we're
we're
here
deciding
on
whether
to
approve
a
a
business,
that's
going
to
have
significant
parking
needs.
C
Do
we
have
we
done
any
kind
of
study
to
know
how
much
additional
parking
requirements
we
can
fulfill.
D
C
Mean
again
we're
going
blind
here,
we're
just
you
know,
we're
we've
gotta,
you
know,
I
hear
what
Mr
chrisuda
says
and
I
think
he
makes
a
good
point
about
somebody
doubling
their
their
size.
We
don't
know
if
that's
good
or
bad,
we
don't
know
you
know
we
could
put
one
hour
limits
on
parking
on
Main
Street.
That
could
help
solve
this
problem
about.
You
know
the
the
eight
hour
people
in
those
offices
parking
on
Main
Street.
C
They
would
get
ticketed
so
and
we
do
that
for
everybody
they
could
park
an
hour
and
then
they
gotta
go
the
and
then
we
could
have
permanent
parking
at
the
different
locations
that
we
have
I
know.
I,
don't
think
the
city
has
done
a
great
job
of
of
of
steering
people
to
the
parking
spaces.
We
have
because
I've
seen
a
very
busy
days
where
the
parking
behind
Flagship
Bank,
That's,
All
City
parking
and
nobody's
there.
C
So
you
know
they
got
some
little
signs,
people
don't
see
them
and
then
they're
all
jamming
to
try
to
find
something.
You
know
right
around
and
it's
not
I
mean
it's
a
little
tiny
walk
to
walk
there.
So
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
something
Mr
vessey
said
a
few
meetings
ago
about
it's
the
city's
problem.
C
C
You
know:
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
passing
judgment
on
whether
it's
a
great
project
or
not
a
great
project,
but
we
can't
I
mean
we
have
our
our
height
limit
anyway,
so
nobody
can
go
and
put
an
extra
story
on
their
building
downtown
because
that's
not
permitted
and
there
is
limited
amount
of
space
trying
to
build
a
new
building
on
the
downtown.
So
we
need
to
be
able
to
facilitate
our
downtown
and
that's
again,
one
of
the
city's
challenges
is
to
to
locate
that
parking
for
everybody.
Yes,
not
just
for,
for
this
gentleman
and.
B
C
We
right
now
can
facilitate
x
amount
of
spaces.
We
have
this
amount
of
businesses
downtown,
they
utilize
an
average
of
x
amount
and
therefore
we
have
we're
at
80
capacity
we're
at
70
capacity,
because
right
now
we
none
of
us
know
that
answer
we're
just
again
going
blind
and
oh,
we
don't
it's.
It
shouldn't
penalize
the
applicant
because
we
don't
know
kind
of
where
we
are.
C
E
A
A
Mean
kind
of
what
I'm
I'm
hearing
is.
We
have
we
have
heartburn
about
parking
problems,
but
it's
not
his
fault
and
I.
Think
from
a
legal
perspective.
We,
the
attorney,
if
we
had
one
here,
would
tell
us.
We
don't
have
the
right
to
consider
that
in
our
decision
tonight.
Well,
we
can
discuss
anything
yeah.
We
can
discuss
yeah.
F
D
So
it's
in
compliance
with
they're
all
uses
permitted
by
right.
Okay,.
A
D
I
Hi
I'm
Luke
Keane
I
live
at
701
North
Evers
Plant,
City
Florida,
it's
the
oldest
neighborhood
in
downtown
Plant
City
I
go
to
Heritage
preservation
boards,
all
the
time
so
I'm
very
I'm.
Familiar
with
this.
We
have
the
same
Zoning
for
parking.
It's
the
same
conversation
with
everybody
all
the
time,
especially
with
boards
for
parking
and
downtown
utilization.
I
You're,
never
going
to
get
more
far
than
this
one
little
spot
down
here,
especially
for
Tarpon,
especially
for
utilization
for
people
coming
here
and
generally
we're
all
going
to
be
dead
before
you're
going
to
build
buildings
bigger
than
this.
The
building
for
us
we
made
it
for
when
I
was
placing
it
and
doing
the
whole
thing
kind
of
how,
like
speaking
to
it,
specifically
code
transect
wise,
so
I
speak
quickly.
Code
transect,
wise.
I
I
But
speaking
specifically
to
the
conversation
we've
had
for
the
hour
or
so
I
have
dealt
with
this
and
been
with
us
in
the
city
of
Plant
City
several
times
and
it's
the
same
conversation
and
I.
It's
great
insight
to
hear
it
coming
from
you
guys,
because
me
in
Plant,
City
I
have
a
particular
perception
of
those
people
already.
So
it's
nice
to
hear
from
third
parties
in
general
and
I
understand
where
the
concerns
are.
I
What
I
said
previously
is
that
we'll
all
be
dead
before
those
buildings
get
any
bigger
than
that
parking
specifically
in
downtown
transect
areas?
It's
common
for
code
now,
Plant
City
Dunedin,
all
those
guys,
Downtown
Lakeland,
downtown
Haines
City,
like
the
firm
that
I
work
for
real
Architects,
is
a
preeminent
historic
preservation.
Architect,
we
do
University
of
Tampa.
We
do
several
high
priority
buildings
in
City
of
Tampa
and
throughout
the
state.
I
We
took
the
project
because
of
the
building
the
historic
preservation
of
the
building.
The
addition
in
the
back
was
exciting
for
us,
because
the
activation
of
the
alley
in
the
back
to
match
all
your
boxes.
Yes,
what
your
attorney
would
have
said
is
we
do
match
everything
in
the
description
for
the
transect,
so
legally
code
wise
it
fits
you
know.
We've
went
back
and
forth.
I
I
love
Pat
it
it's
been
great
working
with
you
guys
to
go
back
and
forth
to
make
sure
we
get
a
building
and
a
product
that
benefits
downtown
and
it's
a
co-working.
It's
not
an
office.
It's
29
offices
that
are
membership
based,
they're,
most
like
they're
out
toward
several
facilities
in
Ohio,
where
this
company
is
from
the
turnover
is
hour
and
a
half
two
hours,
four
hours
max,
really
there's
a
couple
one
or
two
guys
who
use
the
office
as
their
actual
office
they're
there
for
eight
hours.
I
Maybe
that's
it
most
of
it
is
people
coming
in
living
in
the
area
coming
in
to
print
like
if
you
all
work
from
home,
covid
or
whatever
else?
If
you
worked
out
of
state,
you
could
come
in,
you
have
a
membership
come
in
work,
print
have
meetings,
leave
it's
not
come
in,
sit,
hang
out,
be
there
for
12
and
a
half
hours.
You
don't
have
access
for
the
building
for
12
and
a
half
hours.
The
restaurant
is
the
the
food
and
beverage
provider
is
in
the
Michelin
list.
He's
not.
I
It
doesn't
have
a
star
he's
ichakoro
if
you're
familiar
with
Tampa,
it's
no
well,
so
it's
it'll
be
a
very
decent
restaurant
and
then
that's
the
first
half
of
the
first
floor.
The
back
part
is
just
to
activate
that
alley.
So
the
first
floor,
the
first
like
the
meeting
spaces,
is
just
one
big
office
or
one
big
meeting
room
and
then
a
kitchenette
a
kitchen
for
the
front.
I
The
second
story
is
the
the
existing
building
is
the
main
co-working
area,
so
it's
just
ringed
by
offices
and
the
one
back
and
goes
offices
and
two
meeting
rooms.
So
it's
I,
don't
think
that
it
will
have
the
come
stay
and
sit
impact
that
you
either.
You
might
think
it
will,
but
I
don't
think
that
coming
from
where,
like
in
our
in
our
experience
and
my
personal
experience,
I,
don't
think
this
is
going
to
be
a
negative
impact
to
downtown
Tarpon
Springs
in
any
way
shape
or
form.
I
come
here
all
the
time.
I
Seeing
this
again,
it'll
engage
what's
already
being
there
and
the
points
that
you
guys
have
already
been
bringing
in,
but
it's
kind
of
the
parking
I
get
it,
but
any
kind
of
major
metropolitan
area
or
area
in
general.
A
five
minute
walk
is
a
five
minute
walk
like
we're
addicted
to
parking
in
front
of
spaces.
You
know
and
just
walking
inside,
so
it
it
activates.
I
If
you,
if
you're
five
minutes,
if
you
have
to
park
somewhere
and
walk
you're
walking
by
what
you
said
before,
if
you're
walking
by
you're
going
You're
Going
to
the
shoe
store,
you
go
like
you
walk
into
the
restaurant
because
you
walked
by
it.
That's
the
whole
point
is
activation
of
the
downtown.
The
activation
of
downtown
transect,
so
I
I
appreciate
all
the
input,
but
it's
just
kind
of
everywhere.
Every
old
town
that
has
an
old
Historic
downtown.
That
lots
are,
you
know,
lot
lined
a
lot
line.
You
can't
provide
parking.
I
You
can't
ask
somebody
to
provide
parking,
especially
if
you,
if
you
do,
give
a
variance
to
a
building,
Three
Doors
Down
to
a
0.9
or
a
two
variants
right.
It's
two
stories
doubled
and
it's
something
that
requires
four
spaces
and
you've
got.
You
know
it's
big,
so
you
gotta
require
you
to
give
them
80
spaces,
and
you
can't
do
that.
So
that's
why
other
towns
are
given
like
parking
garages,
but
also
parking
garages.
I
Take
up
square
footage,
costs
money,
it's
more
taxes,
so
I
understand
like
the
implication,
but
I
just
think
that
this
building
won't
have
that
negative
impact
or
that,
like
that,
much
of
a
negative
impact
that
you
guys
are
we're
all
we're
all
discussing
today.
You
know
but
I'm
moving
for
questions
and
then
the
actually
I'll
I'll
talk
about
the
storm
water
really
fast.
The
concession
that
Pat
and
I
were
talking
about
is
we
took
everything.
I
That's
the
outdoor
bar
made
all
the
surfaces
permeable
and
then
Beyond
in
the
like,
where
it's
not
covered
by
the
overhang
of
the
building,
we're
retaining
it's
like
1200
cubic
feet
of
storm
water.
We
have
an
on-site
retainage,
so
I
mean
we
were
putting
off.
It
was
like
less
than
like
0.4
inches
in
the
20
25
year
storm.
You
know
so
I
mean
we're
now
we're
retaining
that.
I
So
we're
not
even
putting
in
the
0.4
inches
that
we
were
putting
on
the
Alley
to
begin
with
and
all
of
the
storm
drains
are
handling
and
are
handled
Underground,
so
we're
not
adding
any
more
water
to
the
alley.
If
anything,
we're
going
to
help,
keep
it
from
going
downhill
because
the
alley
slopes
from
picture
left
to
right.
I
I
think
they're
pushing
for
because
we
use
if
she
goes
back
to
the
the
plan,
there's
a
they
call
it
a
launch
pad
the
co-working
calls
it
a
launch
pad
and
it's
a
space
in
between.
So
if
they
use,
if
they
utilize
that
I
think
it's
85
tables
inside
or
85
total
and
then,
if
they.
I
I
It's
the
concept
is
called
made.
Whole,
it's
the
the
guy
is
the
the
chef
is,
is
pretty
good
he's.
He
does
ichikoro.
He
has
a
bunch
of
other
restaurants.
He,
like
is
in
the
Michelin
guide.
It's
all
based
on
it'll,
be
a
coffee
bar
in
the
morning
it'll
transition
to
a
lunch.
They
were
looking
at
Mediterranean,
but
they
were
pretty
inundated
with
Mediterranean
around
here.
So
it's
like
Mediterranean
and
then
they'll
go
to
a
nighttime.
If
that,
but
I,
don't
think
I'm,
not
thinking
it's
not
Beyond
12
30
bar.
I
C
I
It's
so
it's
co,
it's
a
co-working!
It's
exactly
we're
saying
it's
membership
based,
but
judging
from
my
experience
and
like
as
a
web
talked
to
the
client
and
the
owner
of
the
building
of
the
activation
of
the
building,
most
of
the
most
of
their
members
most
of
their
members,
aren't
there
all
day
they
come
if
they
like,
they
either
work
there
or
they
come
because
they
have
meeting
room
spaces
there
that
you
can
rent
out
that
are
better
than
you
know.
C
Yeah,
no,
no,
you
don't
have
to
be
sorry,
but
the
the
question
is
well.
If
that's
the
case,
why
so
many
offices,
if
they're
physician,.
H
I
Specifically
for
meeting
I'm
saying
like
if
they're
in
the
office,
they
can
go
meet,
but
it's
not
they're
not
coming
there
and
posting
up
in
their
office
for
eight
hours
a
day
is
what
it's
kind
of
like
what
I'm
trying
to
say
that
they're,
not
I,
think
the
only
people
who
use
it
consistently
is
wheels
up
like
the
the
jet
people
they're
the
only
they
have
what
people
the
people
who
own
private
wheels
up.
It's
like
timeshare
for
jets.
Basically
Jets
yeah,
like
private
jets,
Charter
Jets.
I
I
I
C
Possible,
okay
and
then
you
said:
there's
a
kitchen
up
there,
no.
I
I
C
I
C
Rental
I,
just
I,
don't
buy
the
concept
they're
not
staying
because
I
used
to
utilize
one
of
those
in
in
Houston
it
was
a
Regis
Center
and
I
mean
there
was
people
there.
All.
I
Day
long
see,
I
have
one
in
Plant
City
and
all
I
use
it
for
is
to
go
print
because
my
internet's
bad
yeah,
so
it's
I
I,
go
in
print
and
if
I,
if
I
need
to
be,
if
I
need
to
look
professional
and
a
zoom
call
if
I'm
not
in
the
office,
I
go
to
that
like
pull
a
meeting
room
for
20
minutes
and
I
leave.
So
there's
there's
different
utilizations
for.
C
I
I
I
You'll
you'll
see
renderings
for
this
one
you'll
see
you'll,
see
all
the
ones
in
Ohio
you'll
see
the
one
in
Lakeland
to
open.
There's
one
in
West
Tampa,
that's
supposed
to
open,
there's
one
in
St
Pete.
So
this
is
the
they
have.
The
one
in
St
Pete
is
the
first
one
they
put
in.
That's
like
a
a
big
building
just
because
it's
downtown
St,
Pete
West
Tampa
is
a
reutilization
of
a
old
barbecue
place,
and
then
this
one
is
a
realization.
The
the
company
is
a
big
Community
Driven
like
they.
I
They
hire
a
community-based
like
they
run
the
building
right.
So
then
they
always
they
their
biggest
thing
in
Ohio
is
community
outreach.
So
everyone
I
went
to
I,
had
to
hear
the
of
the
owner
or
of
the
runner,
the
manager
of
that
and
their
activation
with
all
the
community
and
all
the
benefits
that
they
do
and
all
they
bring
into
that.
C
So
that's
it
I,
don't
know
that
that
might
be
it.
I,
wouldn't
even
try
to
sell
that
point,
because
that
we
get
we
got
too
many
people
coming
in
here
from
out
of
town.
Let's
say
just
they
love
Tarpon
Springs
and
they
love
them.
They
want
to
be
part
of
our
community.
I
enjoy
I,
get
it
I
now
I'm,
not
trying
to
be
it's
just
you're
you're.
C
No
bands
or
anything
there
right
I
cannot
speak
to
anything.
You
know,
I,
don't
know
nothing
at
night,
not
that
I
know
okay,
obviously
yeah
there
can
be
people
that
are
working,
so
you
wouldn't
obviously
be
noisy
all.
C
I
G
G
C
D
D
So
and
I'll
tell
you
so
they
they
already
applied
for
building
permits.
They
didn't
so
that
it's
sitting
in
in
building
not
being
processed
yet
I
I
have
no
idea
but
I'm
guessing
that
the
applicant
on
that
became
the
applicant
on
this.
The
owner
is
crdv
as
far
as
who
the
principals
are
in
crdv,
I
I.
Don't
have
that
information
right
now
and
then
Luke
here
is
one
of
two
people
that
designated
as
agent
to
represent
them
via.
I
G
I
Is
the
company
name
they
they
do
everything
with
the
development
right
like
so
when
they
go
into,
they
don't
have
like
a
like
I,
don't
think
they
have
an
LLC
or
a
corporation
in
Florida.
So
when
they
came
into
Florida
when
they
go
into
the
areas
they
do
they
develop,
they
start
a
corporation,
so
crdv
Tarpon,
Springs
I
believe
is
the
actual
name,
and
that
is
that's
what
they
do
wherever
they
go.
I
G
C
How
many,
how
many,
how
many
memberships
will
you
will.
I
They
say
I
I
have
no
other
idea
to
me.
Yeah
I
can't
speak
to
anything
on
the
for
co-work
I
can
do.
I
can
speak
to
the
food
and
beverage
what
the
building
is
designed
to
right
now,
what
the
transect
codes
were,
what
the
building
was
designed
to
building
code
wise,
what
we
did
for
storm
water,
but
I
can't
speak
to
how
the
the
client
will
use
the
co-working
or
how
or
how
many
memberships
they'll
have
or
or
any
of
that
I
can't
speak
to
that.
E
I
Yeah
they
have
meeting
rooms
and
they
have
offices,
but
no
I
think
the
office
is
based
based
on
my
experience
in
the
in
the
in
the
facilities
I've
toured
if
like,
if
I
had,
if
I
paid
them,
99
I
got
to
go,
get
my
one
like
five
by
five
office
and
I
can
get
there
between
not
eight
in
the
morning
and
6
30,
and
then
I
get
access
to
public
events
and
community
events
and
whatever
else
they
have
at
this
space.
But
that
would
be
my
little
tiny
office.
E
I
C
I
C
C
G
I
C
I
B
D
E
I
C
C
C
D
B
D
Know
this
you've
got
four
criteria:
Mr
Seaman
I
believe
in
maybe
one
of
the
others.
I
think
Mr
zimbellus
laid
out
that
we
meet
the
criteria.
D
D
I
think
there
was
mention
of
membership
and
I.
Think
somebody
made
the
point
that
this
is
a
site
plan
for
uses
by
right.
It
would
be
difficult,
very
difficult
to
enforce
those
types
of
Provisions.
No.
E
C
D
C
D
Counsel
here
I
will
just
say
that
you
have
criteria.
Staff
is
saying,
they're
met,
understand
it's
a
doubling
the
size,
it's
still
under
the
allowable
floor
area,
so
that
said,
I
just
need
to
kind
of
state
staff's
position
on
it,
but
I
understand
you
don't
have
the
attorney
present
you'd
like
to
get
their
advice,
I.
A
G
B
C
B
B
A
E
E
E
I
I
apologize
for
that
I
did
I,
don't
have
that
attitude,
I
I
in
terms
of
Legally
I.
Don't
have
that
I.
Don't
have
the
attitude
personally
in
terms
of
Legally.
That
is
like
I
mean
that's
the
way
the
law
is
written,
but
in
terms
of
yeah
and
in
terms
of
me
personally,
no
I
live
in
the
oldest
historic
district
in
downtown
Point,
City
I.
Come
to
these
things
all
the
time
and
I
fight
to
make
sure
that
there
is
that
that
the
the
the
what
makes
a
place
a
place
stays
a
place
right.
I
C
C
No,
and
and
I
I
in
all
respect
to
Mr
Bessie,
who
I
respect
greatly
the
reason
I'm
not
going
along
with
the
you
know,
postponing
it
for
an
attorney
is
I.
Don't
think
that
the
issue
is
really
right
now,
as
an
attorney
I
think
the
issue
is
information
enough
for
us
to
to
approve
such
a
a
concept.
For
me,
I
just
didn't
hear
it
I.
Even
and
when
we
talk
about
uses
and
such
you
know
what
there's
a
big
difference
between
membership,
that
is
General.
C
Somebody
shows
up,
they
find
a
a
empty
office
and
then
go
function
in
it
or
somebody
who
actually
can
put
their
shingle
on
the
office.
That's
a
whole
different
story,
because
that
person
is
going
to
be
there
for
eight
hours
if
they
can
put
their
shingle
on
the
office.
They're
gonna,
that's
where
they
go
to
work
now.
Somebody
who
just
comes
to
look
for
a
spot
to
have
you
know
an
hour
conversation
with
somebody
or
to
use
a
desk
or
whatever
that
that's
different,
so
we're
not
even
getting
a
straight
answer
on
how
that
cons.
C
That
concept
and
again
that
impacts
our
downtown.
So
whether
boxes
are
checked,
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
and
I
don't
care
what
I
just
don't
have
enough
answers
to
feel
comfortable
to
do
this
big
of
a
project
that
impacts
downtown
and
it
could
have
a
significant
issue
impact.
So
that's
my
that's
my
thing.
G
Comments,
I
I
have
one
and
and
I
want
to
clarify
that,
like
everyone
else,
there
are
some
concerns
or
some
great
things,
but
I'll
I
want
to
dial
in
and
go
on
the
record,
as
my
concern
is
actually
with
site
plan
in
stormwater
management.
I'm
uncomfortable
with
the
plan,
as
supplied
I,
did
read
the
report
as
someone
who
makes
a
living
working
in
adjacent
to
storm
water
and
construction.
G
I'm
deeply
concerned
that
what's
provided,
will
be
effective
as
built
in
certainly
unlikely
to
be
effective
over
the
life
of
the
property,
because
the
first
thing
that's
going
to
happen
is
all
that
pervious
is
going
to
get
paved
over
and
filled
and
right
now
it's
emptying
into
the
alley.
We
suffer
severe
storm
water
challenges
as
it
is,
and
I
think
the
plan
is
inadequate
and
I.
Frankly,
just
don't
believe
that
there
is
not
going
to
be
a
change
when
the
building
size
is
doubled.
So
I'm
saying
my
challenge
is
with
site
plan.
Thank
you.
G
A
A
A
A
D
D
I've
got
two
items:
I
had
brought
back
your
revised
resolution.
D
So
the
question
is:
do
you
want
it
in
a
different
spot?
We
could
just
go
ahead.
I
was
going
to
have
the
chair
signed
this
this
evening.
We
could
go
ahead
and
just
adopt
it.
The
way
it
is,
and
you
can
always
reorder
your
agenda
at
any
time
at
your
meetings.
If
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
if
you're,
okay,
with
that
I'll
get
I'll,
give
you
a
copy
and
ask
Mr
Seaman
to
sign
one
of
them
for.
I
D
Second
thing
is:
we
did
have
I
sent
you
all
updated.
We
had
Miss
Francis
in
with
for
orientation,
we
updated
our
packet
and
I
sent
it
to
all
of
you.
So
hopefully
you
got
that
packet
and
we
do
have
a
vacancy
for
our
alternate
as
of
now.
So,
if
you
know
anybody
that
wants
to
be
alternate
on
this
board,
please
you
know:
let
them
know
that
the
seat
is
open
and
that's
it.
Thank.
G
I
have
a
short
comment:
I
had
the
luxury
of
the
time
to
read
the
discussion
items
that
we
deferred
and
I
literally
had
a
tear
of
joy
in
one
of
my
eyes
that
some
of
these
items
that
we
have
been
working
on
for
so
long
that
that
staff,
Patricia
McNeese
had
remembered
and
listened
and
documented
and
the
rest
of
the
staff
had
brought
forward.
C
And
and
you
you
and
you
are
the
we're
the
driving
force
for
our
motto
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
and
and
I
think
we
have
next
next
week.
The
next
meeting
we
should
start
with
the
pledge
allegiance
go
through
that
that
all
I
think
that
would
be
great
I
mean
I'll.
Do
it
right
now?
If
you
guys
want
to
do
it,
it
will
end
to.
G
C
I
think
next
meeting
we
do
it
next
meeting.
We
do
it
and
again
I
want
to
commend
Mr
Vesey
for
driving
that
whole
degree
thing
yeah
yeah
forward.
So
that
was
good
and.
D
H
E
D
E
E
E
You
know
and,
and
you
know
things
things
have
changed
and
the
impacts
to
to
you
know
use
the
parking
as
the
example
you
know.
Maybe
it's
it's
some
something.
That's
that
it's
a
message
to
the
city
or
this
or
the
Commissioners,
the
things
that
need
to
be
addressed
because
I
think
it.
You
know
when
you
look
at
the
the
overall
impact
to
the
downtown
I
I.
You
know,
regardless
of
my
requirement
to
say
yes,
I
want
to
say
no
and
I
think
that's
a
big
on
this
board.
A
Well,
in
I've
seen
you
know
real
world
cases
in
in
businesses
like
like
mine,
where
some
have
fallen
into
the
the
category
where
they
required
little
or
no
parking
where,
where
I'm
required
to
have
a
a
buttload
of
very
expensive
parking
spaces,
and
it's
a
it's
a
hardship
in
many
cases
to
to
a
lot
of
our
existing
businesses
and
it's
kind
of
a
slap
in
the
face.
Sometimes
to
let
these
people
build
something
with
no
parking.
When
we've,
some
of
us
have
spent
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
on
parking
well,.
E
E
C
I
I
think
that
it's
not
the
applicant's
fault
I
mean
anybody
that
buys
a
building
downtown
doesn't
have
there's.
No,
there
is
no
parking
with
a
building
other
there
isn't
any.
If
you
bought
facolas's
department
store,
you
have
no
parking
to
offer
anybody,
because
it's
the
your
property
lines,
your
building's
right
up
on
the
property
line,
so
I
get
that
I.
Think
I
mean
I
I
deal
in
statistics
all
day,
long
and
I'm
surprised
and
no
offense
to
the
to
anyone
at
that.
We
don't
have
a
better
grasp
of
our
statistics.
C
C
You
could
say
faculty
department
store,
would
have
five,
maybe
maybe
five
at
one
time,
customers
and
they're
going
to
have
three
employees,
and
you
could
just-
and
you
could
just
do
that
as
a
statistical
thing
and
then
say:
okay
and
here's
all
the
parking
in
the
in
the
downtown
area,
and
we
have
the
fact
that
we
don't
even
know
how
many
spots
we
have
that's
problematic,
because
when
we
test
something
we
would
need
to
know
so.
I
know
if
I
I'm
just
got
to
do
my
job
right.
D
C
Are
we
at
90
capacity
with
parking?
Are
we
at
120
capacity?
If
we're
at
120,
then
we
have
to
be
much
more
critical
of
these
properties
that
are
coming
up,
who
want
to
expand
their
business
by
double
their
size,
because
we
don't
even
know
whether
we're
creating
even
a
bigger
mess
in
what
exists
now
or
if
there
is
a
mess.
I
don't
know.
F
F
C
F
B
D
B
Can't
just
look
at
something
in
a
box
and
say:
oh,
it's
not
your
fault,
you
should
be
allowed
to
do
it
and
disregard
the
impact
to
the
city.
The
point
is
that
the
more
applicants
that
are
denied
the
city
should
take
notice
and
fix
the
problem.
That's
why
we
have
to
continue
to
deny
them
it's
not
because
we're
punishing
them,
we're
showing
the
city
that
nobody
will
come
here
and
build
until
you
fix
our
problem,
so
we're
helping
them.
E
E
F
F
C
C
We've
been
told
that
multiple
times
we
either
have
to,
we
have
to
vote
on
it.
So
if
we
don't
think
that
he
has
a
has
given
us
enough
information
to
vote,
we
have
to
vote.
No,
that's
part
of
the
deal.
That's
what
our
attorneys
have
told
us
on
multiple
occasions,
so
we
don't
I
wish.
We
did
have
that
ability
to
say
oh,
go
back
and
do
some
more
homework
and
come
back.
C
B
C
C
C
But
I
think
our
chairman
has
take.
This
is
the
first
quasi-judicial
without
an
attorney
and
I
think
our
chairman
needs
to
be
commended
on
it.