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A
B
C
All
right,
we
have
a
quorum.
The
item
number
two
on
our
agenda
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes
for
april
18th
of
2022.
C
E
E
C
C
Yes,
all
right.
That
brings
us
to
item
number
three,
which
has
been
deferred
and
will
be
re-advertised
for
a
future
date.
That's
all
we
need
to
say
about
that.
One
right.
C
F
Okay,
this
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
where
the
planning
and
zoning
board
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial
capacity
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
F
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competence,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
F
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent
substantial
and
the
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
Are
there
any
members
of
the
board
wishing
to
disclose
any
ex
parte
communications
or
conflicts
of
interest
this
evening,
seeing
none
anyone
wishing
to
speak
this
evening?
If
you
could
please
stand
and
raise
your
right
hand
to
be
sworn
in.
G
G
Most
of
the
surrounding
properties
are
also
located
within
the
t4c
zone.
There's
some
t5d
located
along
north
pinellas
avenue
this
area
really
is
a
mixture
of
different
uses
to
the
north
and
west
is
primarily
single-family
residential,
there's
multi-family
to
the
east
of
the
site
and
to
the
south.
There's
some
commercial
uses.
G
G
G
G
The
buildings
along
safford
avenue,
there's
two
separate
buildings,
one
here
at
this
corner
and
one
at
this
corner,
separated
by
a
patio
or
plaza
area
that'll,
provide
some
pedestrian
access
from
safford
to
the
development.
Each
of
these
smaller
buildings
will
accommodate
two
different
units
and
again
two
stories.
In
height,
the
larger
building
along
east
park
street
will
accommodate
four
units
again
two
stories.
In
height
all
the
ground
floor
units
will
have
direct
access
from
the
units
to
the
public
sidewalks
on
both
park
street
and
on
safford
avenue,
and
the
upper
store
units
will
have
balconies.
G
G
G
Again,
the
parking
and
landscaping
requirements
have
been
fulfilled
with
the
provided
site
plan.
The
applicants
are
seeking
a
warrant
request
in
regards
to
the
street
screen
material
which
they
are
looking
to
fulfill
the
required
building
frontage
along
east
park
street,
with
both
the
building
and
as
well
as
utilizing
a
street
screen
they're
proposing
to
use
a
six
foot
vinyl
fence
with
landscaping
along
the
pond,
which
is
this
blue
line
here
and
then
a
landscaping
street
screen
along
this
portion
of
the
site.
G
G
The
applicants
are
also
seeking
a
waiver
request
in
terms
of
site
visibility.
Typically,
the
code
requires
on
every
corner
lot
a
clear
site
triangle:
that's
30
feet
by
30
feet.
That's
shown
here
measured
along
the
property
line
in
the
red.
G
As
you
can
see,
one
of
the
buildings
slightly
encroaches
into
that
site:
visibility
triangle
due
to
the
unique
situation
of
this
property
and
some
considerations
of
the
intersection,
the
applicants
are
seeking
a
warrant.
I
keep
saying
variance
a
waiver
to
encroach
within
the
site
visibility
triangle.
G
G
Another
consideration
is
our
code
requires
the
site
visibility
triangle
to
be
measured
along
the
property
line,
which
is
this
yellow
line
here.
In
this
particular
case,
the
edge
of
pavement
is
approximately
9
to
10
feet
from
the
property
line.
So
this
triangle
here
is
showing
kind
of
a
functional
site
triangle.
That's
measured
along
the
edge
of
pavement,
and
you
can
see
the
building
does
not
encroach
within
that
site
triangle.
G
There
is
a
sidewalk
along
safford
avenue
here,
however,
you
can
see
one
from
the
functional
site
triangle
that
doesn't
impede
the
sidewalk
visibility
of
pedestrians,
also
they
provided
on
it's
a
little
hard
to
see,
but
on
this
site
plan,
there's
another
triangle
here,
showing
a
15
by
15
triangle.
That's
also
clear
of
obstructions.
G
With
that
staff
does
recommend
approval
of
the
site
plan,
including
the
warrant
and
the
waiver
request.
We
do
have
four
conditions
which
are
listed
here
on
the
screen.
The
first
is
that
construction
plan
shall
be
consistent
with
the
approved
site
plan.
The
second
are
details
for
sight.
Lighting
lighting
will
be
provided
at
the
time
of
building
permit.
G
The
third
is,
the
developer
will
comply
with
the
public
art
program
requirements
that
the
project
exceeds
one
million
dollars
in
cost,
and
the
fourth
is
the
site
plan
will
expire
within
one
year
of
the
effective
date
of
the
site
plan
approval
and
with
that
I'd,
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Yes,.
D
With
regard
to
the
sight
line,
is
that
something
that
we
face
because
of
the
smart
code
that
we're
requiring
that
sparkle
requires
them?
So
that's
that's
pretty
consistent,
or
is
that
just
unique
to
this
project.
G
It
doesn't
always
come
into
play,
but
sometimes
yes,
I
think
the
smart
code
is
kind
of
competing
with
the
site
visibility
trials,
because
it's
asking
you
to
push
your
buildings
up
closer
to
the
street.
But
not
every
project
is
going
to
be
at
a
corner.
Not
every
project
will,
you
know,
potentially
have
the
impacts
of
the
triangle,
but
sometimes
yes,
it
can
be
competing.
D
On
the
bottom
bottom
of
the
property,
you
talked
about
a
vinyl
fence
along
the
northern
part
of
that
or
the
top
part
of
that
property.
I
didn't
see
what
any
any
requirement,
or
is
there
anything
on
the
the
bottom
of
that
that
requires
any
any
buffering
from
the
adjacent
property
or.
G
This
is
so
it's
hard
to.
I
don't
have
an
aerial
photograph,
unfortunately,
but
if
I
go
to
the
zoning
map.
G
G
C
G
E
E
G
E
To
cut
across
explain
the
street
screen
concept
and
what.
D
G
So,
with
the
smart
code,
again,
it's
trying
to
you're
trying
to
address
the
street
frontage,
make
it
public
and
active
between
the
private
and
public
spaces.
So,
typically
you
do
that
by
pushing
your
building
closer
to
the
street
and
you're
also
trying
to
create
kind
of
a
unified
wall
along
your
street,
depending
on
what
transit
zone
you're
in
the
code
recognizes
that
you
can't
always
have
a
building
that
makes
that
entire
frontage
or
meets
a
certain
percentage.
So
each
transit
code
has
a
minimum
building
frontage
requirement.
A
C
C
B
I
B
In
the
engineer
of
record
that
that
produced
those
drawings
that
were
being
complimented,
is
he
here?
Yes,.
B
Hi
mike
my
name
is
justin.
I
had
the
luxury
of
reviewing
the
package
that
I
don't
have
here
today
and
when
I
was
looking
through
it,
I
was
impressed
and
thought
golly.
I
could
use
an
engineer
like
that.
Those
were
very
comprehensive
and
we
really
appreciate
those
nice
design,
drawings.
Good
luck
with
your
project.
C
Seeing
none
we'll
call
for
public
comments.
I
don't
really
think
we
have
an
affected
party
situation
so
we'll
go
to
general
public
comments.
I
Sometimes
we
get
distracted
in
our
lives
and
we
forget
how
important
it
is
to
come
to
these
meetings.
I
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
staff,
but
thank
you
for
this
applicant,
because
this
is
the
type
of
project
and
design
that
tarpon
is
looking
for.
You
know
it.
We
know
it
when
we
see
it.
It's
not
like
the
drop
down
hotel
that
looks
like
a
carbon
copy
out
of
daytona
beach.
It's
working
with
the
smart
code,
fitting
it
in
now,
I'm
going
to
address
a
couple
issues.
The
site
visibility,
I
think,
is
smart.
I
think
it's
also
good.
As
far
as
you
don't
want
to
create
walls
in
that
particular
area.
I
H
I
I
don't
know
structurally
if
it
can
be
done
economically
to
redesign
your
project,
but
to
me
along
that
area,
a
two-story
building
where
you
come
in.
You
got
your
living
room,
your
kitchen,
a
bathroom!
You
go
upstairs.
You
got
your
two
bedrooms
or
whatever
I
don't
know
what
their
design
is.
Two
bedroom
three
bedroom,
but
to
me
that
would
really
make
this
project
top
of
the
line.
So
that
was
my
suggestion.
I
J
C
C
Can
we
have
a
roll
call,
or
do
we
have
any
discussion
on
the
item?
I
just
real
quickly
again,
as
others
have
done,
would
like
to
commend
the
applicant.
It's
it's
a
very
attractive
submittal
and
I
think
it
will
be
a
plus
for
the
city
of
tarpon
springs.
Can
we
have
a
roll
call.
C
A
C
J
What
what
you
all
have
seen
before
is
the
annexation
request
for
the
large
parcel,
nearly
an
acre,
which
is
now
redeveloped
as
the
jello
express
car
wash
you've,
probably
seen
that
this
request
affects
a
very
small
square
of
25
square
feet
in
area
where
the
billboard
poll
is.
It
is
a
separate
parcel.
J
The
future
land
use
and
the
zoning
from
pinellas
county
to
the
city
will
be
the
same.
The
request
is
the
same
as
it
was
for
the
car
wash.
J
J
So
again
under
application,
21-170,
which
you
all
heard
in
january,
you
approved
the
recommending
the
annexation
of
the
car.
Wash
the
car
wash
property
completely
surrounds
the
billboard
parcel
that
was
not
on
their
submitted
documents
and
surveys
at
the
time
we
did
not
catch
it
until
after
your
hearing,
so
we
had
to
stop
that
process.
J
J
They
both
have
to
be
adopted
and
effective
at
the
same
time
are
on
the
same
date
as
far
as
public
facilities.
Of
course,
this
parcel
is
not
requesting
any
public
facilities,
but
facilities
are
available
to
serve
the
parcel
consistent
with
the
future
land
use
map.
Again,
this
property
will
be
under
the
future.
Land
use
designation
of
commercial
general
and
under
the
under
the
city's
highway
business.
Zoning
as
well.
The
billboard
is
a
legal,
conforming
use
under
the
city's
code,
and
it
just
does
constitute
a
principal
use
for
the
property.
J
Needed
to
the
county
wide
map
as
far
as
the
zoning
again
highway
business
is
consistent
with
the
commercial
general
future
land
use
map
category
and
as
far
as
the
uses,
the
property
may
be
appropriate
for
very
small
piece.
It's
appropriate
for
a
billboard
poll
and
that's.
What's
there
pretty
much.
J
Oops
and
it
is
located
in
an
area
where
it
can
be
served
with
public
infrastructure,
and
the
amendment
will
not
adversely
impact
the
city
or
exceed
the
city's
fiscal
capacity
to
serve.
I
would
say
that,
along
with
the
car
wash
as
far
as
you
know,
this,
this
fourth
criteria
speaks
to.
J
J
The
reason
the
car
wash
came
in,
if
you
all
remember,
is
because
it
was
contiguous
because
of
the
racetrack
gas
station
across
the
street,
so
the
city
has
that
corner
in
its
municipal
limits.
This
this
it.
It
makes
sense
from
planning
staff's
perspective
that
the
city
also
gained
control
of
this
corner
as
well.
J
I
would
just
say
we
have
I
want
to
save.
Maybe
five
car
washes
within
two
miles,
there's
one
up
in
pasco
three
here,
one
going
in
palm
harbor
looking
ahead,
20
years,
or
whatever
I
mean
we,
you
all
have
seen
the
japanese
restaurant
bulldoze
the
mexican
restaurants
being
demolished.
Redevelopment
happens
on
19th
in
in
my
opinion,
anyway,
as
a
planner
control
of
these
two
corners
of
classroom
is.
It
is
a
good
thing
for
the
city,
so
I
believe
it
does
promote
the
efficient,
orderly
annexation
in
the
city.
J
D
Are
they
common
ownership,
the
the
monopole
and
the.
J
They
are
not
in
common
ownership.
The
there
is
a
young
lady
here
tonight
with
beacon
civil.
They
are
the
agent
and
they
do
represent
both
owners,
but
they
are
not
in
common
ownership.
Okay,.
A
J
E
So
let
me
ask
you-
and
this
is
just
a
curiosity
question-
the
the
poll
right
now
sits
on
county
property
right
on
in
the
county,
not
county
property
in
the
county.
J
E
D
D
So,
but
the
racetrack
is
we've
actually
annexed
the
racetrack
gas
station
into
the
city,
correct,
okay,
assuming
and
I'm
thinking
down
the
line
here,
and
maybe
it's
not
the
right
forum
for
this.
But
let's
say
st
pete
college
needed
to
add
a
building
or
improve
and
they
need
to
access
utilities.
Would
they
be
required
or
necessary
to
annex
into
the
city.
J
H
So
one
thing
that
comes
into
play
for
properties
that
are
south
of
klosterman,
so
anything
that's
in
the
palm
harbor
fire
district
has
a
separate
legislation
tied
to
its
special
act
tied
to
it.
So,
in
order
for
us
to
annex
anything
within
the
palm
harbor
fire
district,
it
actually
has
to
be
approved
by
the
pinellas
county
board
of
county
commissioners.
Right.
H
C
C
J
A
C
A
C
C
H
Good
evening,
renee
vincent
planting,
his
own
director,
so
not
so
much
of
a
presentation
on
this
as
some
interactive
discussion,
so
over
the
last
few
months
between
discussions
with
you
in
a
previous
work
session,
as
well
as
with
the
board
of
commissioners
and
then
just
internally
within
this
in
the
planning
department,
we've
identified
some
areas
that
we
don't
really
want
to
wait
to
go
forward
with
some
code
amendments
and
comp
plan
amendments.
If
there's
agreement
to
do
that,
we
don't
want
to
wait
until
we
get
through
the
full-blown
comp
plan
amendment.
H
We
think
some
of
these
things
are
important
to
go
ahead
and
tackle
now
so,
and
so
I
wanted
this
to
really
be
my
the
process
that
I
wanted
to
use
to
to
do.
This
is
to
one
just
kind
of
have
an
open-ended
discussion
with
with
you,
as
the
planning
and
zoning
board,
I
haven't
drafted
anything
in
a
strike
through
underline.
Regarding
any
of
this,
I
want
to
collect
your
information.
Your
thoughts
do
the
same
with
the
board
of
commissioners
on
anything
that
I
don't
already
have
direction
on
then
we'll
step
back.
H
We'll
do
you
know,
strengthy,
wonder
lines
and
then
we'll
come
back
and
do
this
again.
So
that's
so
for
for
this
evening
I've
identified
kind
of
six
areas
to
discuss
and
I'll
kind
of
you
know
I'll,
take
my
cues
from
the
board
as
to
how
you
want
to
go
about
this
I'll
briefly
talk
about
just
a
high
level.
What
they
are
one
is
this
conditional
use
provision
for
residential
uses
in
those
two
future
land
use
map
categories
that
are
commercial.
H
I
think
everyone
knows
the
origin
of
where,
where
that
why
that
has
become
a
topic
of
conversation?
The
second
is
just
you
know.
Looking
at
the
coastal
high
hazard
area
policies
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
is
there
anything
that
we
really
want
to
jump
in
and
try
to
go
ahead
and
amend
now
or
do
we
want
to
wait
for
the
larger?
H
You
know
comprehensive
plan
update
to
occur
within
the
land
development
code
itself.
We've
already
had
some
discussions
around
the
mandatory
annexations,
but
I
just
want
to
bring
that
full
circle
to
this
board
to
kind
of
get
some
formal
comment
on
the
annexation
process
and
the
direction
that
we
perhaps
should
go
with
that,
especially
as
it
relates
to
mandatory
annexation
for
utility
services.
H
We
also
were
looking
at
the
process
for
when
we
have
a
project
that
has
multiple
applications
associated,
there's,
nothing
really
in
our
code.
That
gives
us
direction
on
the
order
of
business.
You
know,
can
you
should
you
process
a
land
use
map?
First,
should
you
reply
process
things
concurrently?
Should
you
break
them
apart,
so
so
some
discussion
around
that
process.
H
H
Some
sort
of
a
you
know,
a
cost
associated
with
that
the
city
can
reinvert
get
reimbursed
for
some
of
those
costs
that
actually
comes
from
the
developer.
So
with
that,
that's
the
big
high
level,
and
then
you
know,
if
you
I'll
leave
it
to
you
guys
as
to
how
you
want
to
tackle
this
tonight.
If
we
just
want
to
start
at
condition,
one
or
yes
mine,
I'm
sorry,
that's.
D
Maybe
I
don't
know
where
I'm
going
with
this,
but
some
of
the
issues
we
face
with
regard
to
I'll
take
the
the
hotel
as
an
example,
I
tend
to
think
there.
There
are
pockets
within
this
community
that
should
all
be
conditional
use
to
avoid.
D
I
think
that
may
not
be
in
the
city's
best
interest
without
whether
it's
a
commission
or
or
this
board,
having
some
input
as
to
the
developer's
ability
number
one,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
understand
what
I'm
trying
to
say,
but
I
just
there
are
certain
areas
of
town
that
should
be
all
conditional
use
and
and
with
regard
to
development,
it's
just
just
from
my
perspective
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
also
don't
get
an
opportunity.
D
I
don't
know
how
much
vacant
land
we
actually
have
for
large
development
anymore
in
the
city
of
tarpon
springs,
but
one
of
the
things
that
that
I
think
we're
short
on
is
requiring
them
to
contribute
for
recreational
space.
I
know
we
may
assess
that
in
an
impact
fee,
but
that's
that
actually
is
not
providing.
D
I
think
we're
doing
a
disservice
to
the
people
in
this
community
by
not
having
enough
you
know,
I
could
talk
about
food
trucks
too,
but
I
I
think
that
could
we
could
bring
that
up
later
if
you
want,
but
well.
H
And
I'll
leave
it
to
this
board
as
to
how
you
want
to
go
through
this,
if
there's
some,
if
you
don't
want
to
discuss
all
of
these,
if
you
don't
have
input
or
if
you
do,
but
I
you
know,
I
wanted
to
bring
these
forward
as
a
chance
to
discuss.
H
So
you
know
if
you,
if
you
want
to
just
if
we
start
with
the
you
know
the
conditional
use
provisions
for
residential
and
secondary
and
residential
secondary
uses
within
the
commercial,
general
and
commercial
limited
future
land
use
map
categories.
Those
are
the
only
two
categories
where
residential
is
called
out.
As
a
you
know,
as
a
conditional
use,
I
mean
thoughts,
I
mean
it.
You
know
it's.
C
H
C
There's
definitely
some
instances
that
I
can
see
on
the
on
the
north
side
of
the
river,
where
there's
property-
that's
that's
industrial,
probably
that
that
is
going
to
have
a
tendency
to
want
to
go
residential,
probably
and
I'm
honestly,
not
sure
whether
that's
good
or
bad.
But
it's
something!
That's
that's
going
to
continue
to
come
up
until
all
the
property,
that's
in
the
city
north
of
the
river
is
is
eaten
up.
I
think
what
do
you
think
about
that.
H
I
think
there's
a
bit
of
apples
and
oranges
with
what
what
I'm
talking
about
here,
but
I
mean
to
your
point-
you
know
we've,
you
know
we
recognize
that
the
north
side
of
the
river
is
an
area
that
probably
needs
some
specific
planning
effort
to
it
as
to
what's
going
to
happen
up
there
I
mean
right
now,
the
lion's
share
of
the
property
is
in
industrial
land
use
and,
frankly,
getting
it
out
of
industrial
is
next
to
impossible.
H
Under
the
county-wide
plan,
the
plus,
you
know
the
lion's
share
of
also
a
lot
of
it
is
also
in
the
coastal
high
hazard
area.
So
introducing
residential
to
it
at
this
point
in
the
game
is,
is
problematic
as
well,
since
the
density
is
not
there
to
begin
with
this
issue
with
the
conditional
uses
for
residential
and
the
commercial
general
and
the
commercial
limited
land
use
categories
is
a
bit
of
an
oddity,
and
it
you
know
clearly
it
you
know
it.
H
It
reared
its
head
with
the
anklet
harbor
project,
and
you
know
so
whether
or
not
and
my
my
problems
with
is
really
in
administ
ministering.
It
is
the
way
the
definitions
and
things
are
worded
and
I
provided
that
context.
I
don't
know
if
you've
had
a
chance
to
really
read
through
this,
but
you
know
it's
not
hard
and
fast
as
to
you
know
what
is
a
secondary
use?
You
know
it's
suggestive,
it's
not.
H
H
I
want
to
you
know
to
address
that
issue,
but
I
had
had
some
direction
from
the
board
of
commissioners
regarding
the
whole
conditional
use
piece
for
residential
to
at
least
evaluate
that
in
the
in
those
commercial
districts
and
those
are
primarily
on
us
19
I
mean
we
have
some
on
alt
19
as
well,
but
that's
where
that
really
comes
into
play.
Yes,
sir,.
C
Sorry
go
ahead,
would
you
say
the
the
heartburn?
That's
that's
come
up
about
the
the
change
to
residential
in.
In
I
mean
it
came
from
that
particular
incident,
certainly,
but
it's
not
so
much
necessarily
the
concept
of
residential
use
in
that
area,
as
it
is
the
sort
of
intensity
of
the
residential
use.
H
Yeah
and
I
yeah-
I
think
you
know
it
it
certainly
I
think
that's
part
of
it.
You
know,
and
some
you
know
perhaps
you
know
that
might
be
a
good
box
to
to
to
put
around
it.
Is
that
you
know.
H
Projects
of
a
certain
size
can
take
advantage
of
that
conditional
use
property
in
there
or
or
you
know
that
that's
part
of
the
there's
something
that's
not
part
of
the
of
the
discussion.
I
think
that's
something
that
could
be
helpful
to
you
know
in
the
future.
C
And
it's
kind
of
kind
of
like
if,
if
the
property
is
going
to
be
used
for
anything
which-
and
I
realize,
there's
there's
people
who
don't
think
or
don't
want
it
to
be
used
for
anything
and
and
if
somebody
wants
to
buy
it
and
do
that
sure
that's
good.
But
I
mean
if
you're
gonna
allow
anything
to
happen
there.
It
seems
to
me
the
the
lowest
density
and
the
lowest
damage
would
be
some
form
of
very
low
density,
residential.
B
B
It's
pretty
heavy,
so
I'm
doing
my
best
to
read
frantically
and
pull
something
out.
I
think.
B
So
I'd
like
to
start,
as
someone
said,
I
want
to
go
up
and
come
back
so
actually
I
want
to
go
to
I'll
keep
this
quick.
I
want
to
go
to
number
six
okay.
This
was
brought
up
several
years
ago
and
shot
down
point
blankly
and
I
think
there's
strong
support,
at
least
from
me,
and
I
think
the
other
board
members
understood
this-
is
that
being
able
to
recoup
costs
that
are
being
burdened
that
the
city
is
being
burdened
with,
or
specifically
your
staff
in
office
that
should
be
put
back
on
the
developer.
B
I
would
be
in
favor
of
that.
Okay,
and
I
think
this
is
a
limited
application.
I
think
there's
other
costs
for
specialists
that
you
guys
are
burdening
also
but
you're
only
going
for
one
here.
B
B
Okay,
I
said
at
the
far
end
when
this
was
brought
up
several
years
ago
and
I
didn't
think
it
was
given
a
fair
hearing
so
number
six.
I
would
be
in
support
of
that.
Okay,
but
I
wanna
that
was
easy.
That
isn't
easy.
That
was
an
easy
one,
but
I
want
to
swing
back
to
number
one,
because
I'm
gonna,
I
think
I'm
gonna
read
your
first
bullet
point
under
number.
One.
B
B
D
B
See
all
right
as
and
I
as
I
don't
not
to
put
words
in
staff's
mouth,
but
just
trying
to
get
into
the
the
depth
of
conditional
use
and
then
this
very
specific
verbiage
of
how
it's
written
and
an
attempt
to
clarify
because
we've
been
burdening
them
with
clarification.
D
And
can
I
back
up
a
little
bit,
please
do
and
just
to
clarify
what
what
I
was
talking
about,
and
I
want
to
use
about
the
hotel.
As
the
example
we
sort
of
had
conditional
uses
conditional
use
surrounding
a
permitted
use,
they
were
permitted
on
one
across
the
street,
correct
okay,
and
so,
if
you
want
to
call
it
an
enclave,
it's
an
enclave
of
conditional
use
in
the
middle
of
a
permitted
use.
D
D
That's
what
I
think
becomes
problematic
is
you
know
it's
it's
one
thing
to
have
a
small
area
within
a
conditional
use
area.
That's
conditional
and
a
permitted
use
within
that,
so
it's
either
should
be
all
permitted
or
all
conditional
if
that
makes
any
sense,
because
it
was
just
a
small
piece
of
property
that
was
permitted,
use
the
overall
conditional
use
that
make
sense.
H
No,
that's,
okay,
just
to
kind
of
spur
a
little
more,
the
the
other.
You
know
the
conditional
use
provision
for
compatibility,
review.
H
The
the
other
approach
that
that
I
might
consider
is
in
the
with
the
residential
as
a
secondary
use
in
those
commercial
land
use
categories
is
maybe
putting
in
addition
to
like
project
size.
The
other
way
that
maybe
we
could
get
around
it
or
get
you
know,
put
our
arms
around
it
would
be
only
a
certain
percentage
of
the
property
could
be
dedicated
toward
a
residential
use
versus
just
kind
of
this
open-endedness.
H
The
way
it
is
now
so
that
would
be
another
way
that
we
might
so
if
you've
got
15
acres
and
you
want
to
have
residential
as
a
secondary
use.
Well,
okay,
only
a
small
portion
of
the
property
can
actually
be
used
for
that
the
rest
can
be
set
aside
for
something
else.
That's
not
residential,
so
putting
putting
an
acreage
limitation
or
a
percentage
of
area
limitation
around
is
another
thought
thought
process
that
I
had
when
trying
to
trying
to
put
some
clarification
on
this,
but.
D
H
H
That's
by
far
the
largest,
with
the
exception
of
I
mean
stauffer's,
not
in
the
city,
but
that's
you
know
it's
in
our
planning
area,
most
other
things
are
going
to
be
smaller
infill
I
mean
you've
actually
got
some
some
parcels
around
the
sponge.
Docks
that
you
know
they
may
I
would
say
some
of
them
are
underutilized
as
parking.
You
know
that
are
huge
parcels
of
land.
Whether
or
not
you
know
that
you
know
those
will
re
may
develop
in
the
future.
H
I
don't
know,
but
you
know
we
have
the
one
thing
I
will
say:
here's
what
I
can
tell
you
definitively
from
the
from
what
our
consultants
have
been
doing
with
the
comp
plan
update
so
far
and
doing
the
analysis
on
vacant
developable
land.
H
We
have
ample
land
available
to
meet
our
population
projections
bait
out
to
2040
with
how
the
land
is
zoned
right
now,
so
we
don't
need.
We
definitely
don't
need
to
increase
density.
To
me
to
meet
our
needs
for
the
next
20
or
30
years,
you
know
we
we're
we're
in
good
shape
with
what
we
have.
I
don't
know
if
that
helps
you
or
not
right
now,.
H
B
Get
back
to
the
point
you
were
making
specifically
in
regards
to
conditional
use
provisions
in
your
concept
of
restricting
conditional
use,
specifically
residential
and
commercial,
to
a
percentage
of
that
property.
This
board
member
thinks
that
is
a
rather
elegant
solution
to
putting
restrictions
on
secondary
use.
That's
why
we
call
it
secondary
use
and
not
primary
use,
and
if
I
can
go
just
a
little
bit
further,
I
want
to
forgive
me,
but
but
since
she
brought
it
up
so
that
same
bullet
point,
I'm
going
to
read
it
again.
B
The
conditional
use
provisions
for
compatibility,
review
for
residential
uses
and
commercial
land
use
designations,
and
then
you
give
two
sub
bullets
and
you're
kind
of
proposing
this.
This
circle,
this
this
logic,
circle
that
we
all
might
be
struggling
with.
By
definition,
this
review
is
referred
back
to
the
ldc
process
becomes
quasi-judicial
and
then,
if
the
standards
are
met,
then
the
use
must
be
approved.
What
I'm
reading
here
is
that
it's
a
self-fulfilling
prophecy
is
that
it
doesn't
allow
any
evaluation,
any
evaluation
of
the
project,
because
if
it
just
meets
these
basic.
H
H
H
H
I
I
would
rather
have
these
things
be
a
little
cleaner
in
that
you
know,
you're,
one
that
should
be
handled
by
your
zoning
in
your
land
development
code.
You
know,
if
something
is
you
know,
requires
a
conditional
use
at
least
have
it
be
part
of
the
zoning,
not
necessarily
something
that's
stuck
in
the
land
use
category,
because
it's
there's
two
of
them
in
the
entire
comp
plan,
and
you
know
these
are
it,
and
so
it's
it's
just
it's
an
odd.
It's
an
oddity
to
me.
Frankly,
I
would
rather
beef
up
the
secondary
use
provisions.
H
B
H
H
E
Mr
spock,
so
you
know,
I
think
I
think
the
the
biggest
one
of
the
biggest
issues
in
town
is
height.
I
mean
that
was
the
whole
one
of
the
large
debates
on
the
hotel
issue.
Sure
it's
an
it
was
an
issue
with
ancho
harbor
because
they
went
up
pretty
high.
It's
been
a
fight
in
town
for
going
all
the
way
back
to
when
my
brother
was
mayor
32
years
ago,
so
and
I'm
the
baby
in
the
family.
E
And
so
what
can
we?
You
know
when
we
go
through
this
whole
process?
This
comp
plan
re
redesign
land
development
code,
smart
codes,
all
the
different
things
we're
gonna
do
at
some
point.
Are
we
gonna
have
like
a
master
overlay?
That's
gonna
go
over
the
town
and
say
okay,
two
stories
over
here.
Three
stories
allowed
over
here
and
and
such
and
so
that
at
some
point
you
know
we're
so
vulnerable,
we're
so
vulnerable
and
encode
harbor
showed
that
right.
E
You
had
one
one
board,
member
who
had
to
recuse
himself,
then
you
had
four
board
members
voting
and
it
passed
three
to
one
and
all
I
mean
if
one
went
over
here
now,
it's
two
to
two:
it
doesn't
pass
so
these
huge
developments
and-
and
you
know
and
that's
out
on
19-
and
it's
probably
less
other.
You
know-
and
I
had
I
had
my
issues.
You
know
my
issues
from
the
first
pnc
meeting
and
the
second
bnz
meeting
was
has
always
been
the
traffic
issue.
E
But
beyond
that
you
know,
that's
that's
out
there,
but
when
there's
going
to
be
one
here
like
you
know,
somebody
wants
to
go
six.
Seven.
Eight
stories
whatever
and
it
gets
down
to
that-
that's
too
much,
I
believe
it's
too
much
power
in
a
couple
people's
hands
and
I
think
that
the
citizens
are
concerned
about
it
big
time
that
we
have
some
controls.
E
You
know,
and
you
know
whether
that
means
we
have
this
master
overlay
and
if
we
want
to
go
above
that,
it's
got
to
go
to
referendum
or
something
that
takes
it
to
the
where
the
people
get
the
the
town
they
want,
and
not
one
where
you
know
hundreds
of
people
are
against
something,
and
yet
it
still
passes
because
one
guy
right,
one
guy,
you
see
I'm
trying
to
use
the
right
fingers,
but
you
know
it's
just
I
so
in
all
this
exercise.
We're
doing
is
there
going
to
be
something
in
here?
H
H
Generally
speaking,
the
heights
I
mean
there
are,
you
know
when
we
went
through
that
special
area
plan
and
we
went
with
the
focus
group
over
that
two
year
period.
Height
was
an
issue
that
was
debated.
You
know
a
lot,
and
so
we
landed
at
the
heights
that
we
did
along
with.
That
was
the
acknowledgement
that
there
are
certain
types
of
uses
like
a
hotel
that
can't
function
within
those
heights.
H
That
was
the
thought
process
at
that
time,
which
is
why
you
have
that
that
outlier
with
hotels,
the
way
that
that
smart
code
and
the
special
area
plan
is
written,
whether
or
not
that
is
you
know,
and
I
think
I
think
that
all
needs
to
be
evaluated
again,
probably
you
know
we're
11
years
in
12
years
into
that
to
the
smart
code.
So
I
think
that's
a
fair.
You
know
a
fair
discussion
point
of
are
those
still
appropriate
now
outside
of
that.
H
H
H
I
mean
you
know,
and
I
think
that's
a
you
know.
I
think
that's
one
of
those
community
conversation
things
that
needs
to
happen
at
some
point.
You
know
maybe
just
specific
to
literally
that
issue
alone.
I
think
so
some
of
this
will
come
out
of
the
you
know
the
comp
plan
update
as
well.
You
know
just
as
the
overall,
you
know
what
what
do
we
want
to
be
over
the
next.
You
know,
20
years
I
hear.
B
D
I
just
you
know
again:
my
my
biggest
concern
is
developing
a
comprehensive
plan.
I
you
know,
I
know
we
have
to
grow
as
a
community.
D
It's
just
my
biggest
concern
is
how
we
grow
sure,
and
and
and
and
so
I'm
I'm
a
little
bit
hesitant
about
a
lot
of
things
because
of
of
build
out,
and
I
and
I
keep
stressing
that
you
know
about
20
years
ago
I
went
when
I
was
on
the
boarded
board
of
the
chamber.
I
was
the
the
person
selected
to
go
to
a
a
county-wide
discussion
and
back
then
they
were
saying
that
pinellas
county
was
reaching
build
out.
D
That
was
20
something
years
ago
and
and
they
really
not
done
anything
to
to
change
that
as
far
as
is
planning
ahead,
you
know,
could
you
could
drive
down
19
and
see
all
the
apartment
complexes?
So
I'm
that's.
My
fear
for
this
community
is
that
we,
you
know
I
wanna
I
wanna
come
back
to
you
know
if
I
live
that
long
20
years
from
now
and
still
recognize
this
community.
Where
are
you
going
well?
No.
D
Years
from
now,
I
want
to
be
able
to
recognize
this
community
as
a
community
that
that
people
come
here
for
and
and
and
I
think
john
hit
the
nail
on
the
head-
you
know
so
I
think
we're
charged
with
it
and
you're
charged
with
with
with
developing.
D
You
know
the
rules
that
that
protect
us,
because
if
it's
something
that's
permitted,
we
haven't
our
hands
are
tied.
Okay,
so.
H
And,
and-
and
the
only
thing
that
I
want
to
caution
is
if
we,
as
we
have
these
discussions,
because
I
hear
what
you're
saying
the
only
thing
that
I
that
that
and
I
may
need
the
attorney
to
help
me
out
with
this.
But
if
we,
if
we
go
radically
in
another
direction,
that
literally
starts
to
affect
the
you
know:
development
rates
and
of
a
property
owner.
I
just
think
we
we
need
to
be
caught,
because
we
have.
D
D
H
D
F
I
get
to
do
this
because
I
get
to
do
this
because
you
told
me
I
get
to
do
this
and
I
think
that
the
overall
conversation,
especially
the
topic
that
we're
on
on
the
agenda,
is
at
least
the
first
two
have
to
do
with
the
comprehensive
plan,
which
I
think
is
a
good
place
to
start
from
a
legal
perspective.
You're
talking
about
the
comprehensive
plan
being
the
bible
for
the
city,
what
it
has
to
follow
the
constitution
as
it
were.
You
know
the
growth
plan
for
the
next
20
years.
F
So
if
you
give
people
a
comprehensive
plan
that
says
you
might
have
had
that
that,
right
by
right
by
right
by
right,
because
it's
in
the
code-
but
this
is
where
we
think
our
community
is
going
to
in
the
future,
implementing
that
by
land
use
regulations
is
easier
because
you're
able
to
kind
of
temper
some
of
those
expectations
is
easier.
But
it's
going
to
be
a
process.
It's
clearly
not
going
to
be
an.
F
D
F
Yeah
well,
thank
you.
I
no
one's
ever
accused
me
of
being
eloquent
before
notice,
okay,
yeah!
I
just
I
think
I
think
this
is
a
good
discussion
to
have.
I
think
this
is
the
way
to
do
it
and
I,
I
think,
you're
100,
you
know
your
opinion
is
valid,
that
you're
at
a
point
of
saturation,
so
maybe
the
way
that
the
community
pushes
forward
those
regulations
is
is
first
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
then
implementing
development
regulations
without
triggering
some
of
those
statutory
private
property
rights.
F
Big
bang,
litigations
that
people
are
so
fond
of.
So
as.
D
D
Because
I
mean
you
know,
there's
impacts
in
our
wreck
facilities
or
impacts
in
our
roads.
You
know
I
use
this,
but
I
always
go
back
to
spine
shock.
So
that's
where
I
grew
up.
Is
you
know
you
you?
We
talk
about
the
development
down
there,
but
but
but
the
the
infrastructure
down
there
may
may
or
may
not
be
able
to
support
support
that.
D
So
do
we
not
that
we
want
to
take
somebody's
development
right
away
or
property
right
away,
but
but
I
don't
think
I
think
we
we
have
to
be
more
conscientious
as
to
how
it
impacts
the
balance
of
this
community
and
and
so
well.
E
E
You
know
I
have
a
commercial
piece
of
property
down
the
street
and
I
think
I
have
a
right
to
build
on
that
property
based
on
what
it
is
right,
where
it's
zoned,
the
the
the
restrictions,
the
setbacks
and
all
the
other
issues.
That's
my
right
now
I
have
a
right
to
come
and
ask
you:
can
I
change
it
and
you
know
go
all
the
way
to
the
end
of
a
property.
Can
I
you
know,
can
I
do
a
a
blind
curve
deal
like
you
know,
triangle
issue
like
that.
E
I
have
that
right,
but
I
don't
have
the
right
beyond
that.
I
can
you
have
a
right
to
say
no
and
the
city
has
the
right
to
say
no,
but
I
have
a
right
to
what
I
bought
and
so
I'm
I
don't
I'm
not
telling
people
they
shouldn't
have
a
right
to
what
they
bought.
I
think
at
some
point
we
need
to.
If
we
don't
already
have
it,
you
may
say
we
already
have
it
this
a
general
overlay.
What's
what
is
everything
we
have?
E
E
Needs
to
get
elected
to
the
city,
commission,
and
you
know-
and
I
might
be
one
of
those
jabronis
but
they're,
but
that's
you
know,
you
know
you
want
a
government.
You
always
want
a
government
that
can
sustain
bad
leadership
right.
That's
like
the
united
states.
We
have.
We
have
our
our
our
whole
system
allows
for
and
I'm
not
naming
anybody's
names
but
it'll
it.
E
You
know
pinellas
and
tarpon
avenue
and
and
if
and
if,
if
somebody
will
pass
it
well
boom
there
there
it
is,
and
now
we
fundamentally
change
the
town
and
it's
terrible,
even
though
I
hope
you
would.
You
would
fight
diligently
to
to
prevent
something
like
that
happening,
but
but
that
I
know
it's
that's
an
exaggeration,
but
that's
what
I.
F
So
right
and
to
your
point,
I
think
it
fits
right
in
what
mr
kuskouta
said.
You
know
you
want
to
temper
the
development
and,
in
your
particular
case,
you're
looking
to
temper
the
heights
to
make
sure
that
the
the
city
stays
in
a
community
that
is
not
tall,
skyscrapers
or
large
hotels
or
condominium
complexes.
If.
F
Right
and
I
think
that's
and
I
think
that's
exactly
how
it's
done
you
know,
the
the
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
has
done
a
lot
of
outreach
that
most
jurisdictions
in
my
profession.
We
don't
see
in
getting
its
community
involved
in
the
comprehensive
planning
process
and
that
really
from
a
legal
perspective,
is
going
to
guide
exactly
what
the
city
is
allowed
to
do
from
a
regulatory
perspective.
F
So
if
you
get
the
comp
plan
right,
then
the
land
development
regulations
should
come
easier
and
the
processes
and
the
people
and
the
reviews
and
those
types
of
things
will
will
come
and
they'll
follow.
So
I
you
know,
I
think
they
all
go
kind
of
hand
in
hand
with
what
rene
is
getting
here
and
the
direction
that
she's
looking
for
the
sport
to
kind
of
give
her
thank.
E
F
C
I
I
want
to
talk
about
item
number
four
on
here,
because
it
I
mean
it
relates
back
to
everything
else
sort
of
in
a
in
a
way,
and
it
is
something
that
could
be
changed
relatively
easily.
I
think
and
and
could
have
an
immediate
impact
in
avoiding
some
problems
that
we've
had
over
the
past
few
months.
C
Yeah.
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
that
we
split
some
of
these
things
up
and
and
staff
will
have
to
help
us
do
it
in
a
logical
way
that
that
still
maintains
a
flow
of
the
project
before
us,
but
coming
from
a
background
of
being
on
the
other
side
of
the
podium
as
an
applicant
on
a
number
of
large
projects
in
years
ago,.
C
Every
place
that
I
did
business
before
there
was
several
steps
you
never
brought
a
rezoning
and
a
site
plan
and
and
and
other
things,
all
at
one
meeting
that
just
wasn't
done.
The
developer
wasn't
going
to
spend
the
money
to
take
the
chance
that
you'd
get
shot
down
on
the
rezoning
and
all
of
that
other
stuff
would
be
for
nothing.
So
I
was
kind
of
surprised
when
I
saw
the
way
things
come
come
here,
but
somehow
or
other.
C
I
think
those
things
definitely
need
to
be
separated
out,
and
you
know
if
something
comes
before
us
and
we
can
see
we,
we
don't
want
them
to
get
the
conditional
use
to
change
the
residential
or
whatever.
We
can
stop
the
project
right
there
before
there's
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
wasted
on
all
sides.
H
B
H
Typically,
I've
never
seen
us
run
to
my
knowledge.
I've
never
seen
a
land
use
a
rezoning
either
one
of
those
and
a
site
plan,
not
not
a
planned
development,
but
a
site
plan
run
at
the
same
time.
Usually
they
they
go
to
their
land
use
and
zoning
route
first,
and
then
you
do
site
plan
later
that
one's
not
terribly
problematic
conditional
use
can
sometimes
be.
You
know,
problematic
and
lumping
those
together
if
it
requires.
H
I
think
at
the
same
time,
I
I
also
want
a
little
bit
of
flexibility,
for
you
know
a
small
you
know
for
small
projects
that
are
infill.
That's
you
know.
Let's.
H
Now
the
one
thing
I
did
say
in
all
this
was
that
annexation
is
kind
of
the
that's
the
outlier,
because
you,
you
typically
have
to
run
your
annexation,
land
use
and
zoning.
You
want
to
run
those
concurrently
because
you
don't
want
to
bring
a
property
in
and
then
have
it
still
be
subject
to
pinellas
county
and
their
land
use
and
their
zoning.
So
those
annexations-
I
would
kind
of
like
to
take
out
of
the
out
of
the
discussion
for
right
now,.
H
C
I
think
there's
I
mean
there's
got
to
be
a
threshold
of
some
sort.
You.
H
H
I
I
you
know,
and,
and
maybe
there's
some
you
know-
maybe
there's
some
process
to
to
ask
for
a
waiver
to
that.
I
don't
know,
but
I
would
like
to
keep
that
acreage
threshold
pretty
low
to
where
you
would
need
to
amend
the
land
use
map
first
and
if
that
is
okay
on
its
surface
and
can
get
through
at
least
get
through
a
first
reading.
Okay,
then
you
can
go
ahead
with
your
rezoning
and
and
other
things
that
would
follow
to
me.
The
land
uses
the
big
one.
C
It
could
make
things
smoother
for
us
and
and
also
just
avoid
some
things
that
have
happened
in
the
past,
that
are
problems
and
and
it
it
actually
is
helpful
to,
while
the
developers
won't
like
it,
because
it
slows
it
down
another
month
or
two.
It
is
helpful
to
them
because
they
don't
have
to
spend
all
that
money
until
they
know
that
they're
at
least
past.
The
first
step.
B
I
would
also
like
to
show
support
for
staff's
recommendation
of
that
initial
land
use
change.
I
think
that's
what
you're
referring
to
is
that
maybe
peeling
that
off
as
an
initial
step,
and
that
there
might
be
a
acreage
threshold
to
reach,
meaning
that
it
needs
to
be
greater
than
one
acre
to
trigger
that
peel
off.
Is
that.
A
B
It
actually
is
that
combination
of
annexation
with
everything
else
that
creates
this
knee-jerk
reaction
or
a
little
bit
of
a
closure,
because
what
we
feel
on
this
end
again
speaking
for
myself,
is
that
there's
a
presupposition
that
annexation
is
going
to
be
approved
and
and
and
that
means
that
so
there
we've
got
this
huge
application,
it's
annexation.
It's
future
land
use
it's
this,
it's
that
and
we're
like
hold
on
what?
C
H
H
B
Also
right
so
so
go
ahead.
H
So
you
you
have
you
have
a
couple
of
things
at
play
here
back
in,
I
want
to
say
around
2006
the
city
put
in
and
it's
I
put
it
in
your
backup
section
20-23
that
reque,
because
these
are
the
ones
that
seem
to
trip
us
up
these
mandatory
annexations
for
for
act
for
city
utilities.
H
So,
and
so
these
are
the
ones
that
become
kind
of
problematic,
and
these
are
the
ones
that
we've
had
a
lot
of
concern
about.
You
know
the
the
car
wash
is
a
good
example,
so
you
know
and
they're
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
times
these
are
started
in
pinellas
county,
the
projects
they
get
through
a
certain
review
process
and
then
oh
wait.
You
have
to
have
city
of
tarpon
springs
utilities
in
some
manner
which
kicks
in
this
section,
20-23
connections
to
public
water
reclaimed
and
sewer.
H
So
it
says
annexation
is
required,
so
this
was
put
in
place
in
2006..
Now
we
typically
do
want
properties.
In
my
opinion,
if
we're
serving
them,
you
know
we
want
to
annex
them.
We
want
that
tax
base
and
it's
better
for
them,
ultimately,
because
their
water
sewer
rates
are
going
to
be
less
if
they
annex
than
if
they
stay
in
an
incorporated
area.
H
D
Okay
and
and-
and
I
was
as
was
said-
if
they
they
the
the
county,
lets
them
do
something
that's
non-conforming
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
we
it's
built,
and
now
we
have
to
annex
them
as
opposed
to,
and
I
don't
know
how
you
could,
how
it
would
require
that
part
of
the
annexation
process
or
or
part
of
the
permitting
process
when
they
go
to
pinellas
county
is
if
they're
going
to
annex
and
and
this
baby
have
to
have
a
discussion
with
pinellas
county.
H
H
Incidental
things
are
those
those
types
of
things
are
we
require
that
when
they
end
so,
if
we
have
an
impact
fee
that
the
county
doesn't
assess,
but
when
they
annex
in,
we
will
assess
that.
So
we
have
like
general
governmental
impact
fees
and
things
of
that
nature,
if
sidewalks
are
so
sidewalks
might
be
a
good
example
where
we,
where
we
have
real
difficulties,
is
that
we
don't
know
what
zoning
it's
going
to
be
until
it
comes
in,
and
so
I
can't
I
can't.
I
can't
determine
what
it's
going
to
be
compliant
with
that's.
D
I'm
building
I'm
building
a
house,
I
go
to
pinellas
county,
I
get
I
get
variances
on
setbacks
that
we
may
not
have
given.
Here,
though,
I
come
to
annex
that
property
and
the
tarpon
springs.
Yet
my
my
plans
would
not
you
know,
you
know
the
the
the
board
of
adjustable
would
have
had
the
tar
the
the
tarpon
springs
board
of
adjustable
would
have
had
to
review
those
they
don't
have
to
if
it'll,
but.
D
H
Let
me
let
me
come
back
at
you
on
okay,
let's
say
they
develop
under
r1
zoning
in
pinellas
county,
that
has
10
foot
side,
guard
setbacks
and
they
annex
into
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
that
has,
as
r100
they're
still
not
going
to
meet
our
setback
requirements.
So
my
point
is:
there's
always
going
to
be
these.
These
incidental
things,
setbacks
and
things
of
that
nature
that
are
going
to
be
non-conforming
either.
I
think
either
way
that
we
go,
and
so
I
mean
it's.
B
So
then,
why
and
forgive
me
for
interrupting,
but
we're
really
into
why
have
a
building
and
land
development
plan
if
everything
against
our
border
is
never
going
to
meet
that
my
words
aren't
super
clear
here.
So
let
me
let
me
say
this
again:
why
would
we
even
have
an
internal
plan
if
we're
always
going
to
accept
non-conforming
properties
in
annexation?
B
Why
and
then
we've
written
it
into
our
own
rules
that
we
must
take
them
in
that
doesn't
make
a
lick
of
sense.
I'm
only
going
to
talk
to
ourselves
and
us
in
a
circle.
It
doesn't
make
any
sense.
Why
even
have
an
internal
plan,
so
everybody
inside
the
circle
must
conform,
but
if
you're
on
the
perimeter
of
that
you
don't
have
to
conform,
you
don't
have
to
conform.
You.
B
B
And
that's
just
one
example,
because
we
just
happen
to
have
a
residential
where
we're
like
what
what
and
if
I
may
be
so
bold.
I
think
the
topic
of
mandatory
connections
or
mandatory
annexations
is
good,
but
I
frankly
don't
think
that
is
as
critical
as
annexations
that
are
being
gained.
What
I'll
call
gamed,
annexations
and
I'll
use
a
development
that
had
no
business
being
part
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs.
B
It's
just
my
personal
opinion
that
was
out
in
the
hinterlands
of
tarpon
that
someday,
we
might
regret
ever
participating
in,
and
that
was
gamed
annexation
of
one
lot
due
to
adjacency
and
here's.
Why?
I
think
that
that
is
a
flaw,
flawed
thought
process
in
regards
to
how
our
annexations
generally
are
written
it
more
or
less
says.
If
you
touch
us,
you
get
in,
that's
it,
and
I
know
there
are
some
other
rules.
That
must
be
this.
I
don't
that
is
not
how
I've
understood
it
and
I
read
every
single
annexation.
We
want.
B
If
you
touch
us
you're
in
and
in
this
case
we
had
this
big
parcel.
That
sat
way
out
here
was
not
served
by
the
city
of
tarpon.
Springs
in
any
certain
way,
but
that
developer
bought
a
square
that
was
maybe
1
100
of
that
overall
development
and
it
touched
tarpon,
springs
and
magically
the
wand
went
down,
and
now
they
get
to
completely
redevelop
under
our
pud
rules
and
got
the
golden
egg
out
of
that.
Now,
that
might
be
a
complete
misinterpretation
of
what
went
down.
That's
how
he
understood
it.
B
You
know
on
step,
seven
of
that
application
before
your
permit
is
issued
because
you
have
to
go
through
public
utilities.
At
that
point,
you
know
well
in
advance
exactly
what
it
is,
and
at
that
point
you
decide.
How
am
I
going
to
do
this?
Am
I
going
to
go
through
county
because
I
get
a
little
bit
favorable
and
then
I
push
in
or
do
I
stop
now
and
come
back
to
the
city,
so
I
just
happened
to
see
that
in
a
slightly
different
light.
D
D
And-
and
I
like
the
way-
and
I,
mr
b,
I
like
the
way
you
you
you
you
put
that
because
that's
that's!
H
So-
and
I
understand
exactly
what
what
you're
talking
about
the
one
thing
regarding
the
the
land
use
and
the
zoning,
unless
they're
actually
applying
to
change
the
land
use
they
they,
we
all.
We
all
have
similar
land
use,
map
categories,
residential,
five
muse
or
whatever,
so
they
come
in
consistent
with
the
pinellas
county
designation.
H
H
You
know
in
a
little
more
step,
driven
process,
I
believe
so
I
don't
know
if
any
of
that
made
any
sense.
So.
B
H
Are
just
going
to
be
so
let
me
let
me
also
just
put
a
little
bit
more
of
a
box
around
this.
We
have
a
we
have
now.
We
no
longer
have
our
annexation
planning
boundaries
it.
The
interlocal
we
had
with
pinellas
county,
expired
back
in
2010
and
it
has
not
been
renewed,
but
that
planning
area
boundary
includes
that
property
it
that
we
have
it.
H
We
had
an
annexation
area
that
basically
presupposes
that
these
properties
will
eventually
be
part
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs,
and
our
comprehensive
plan
addresses
that
from
the
overall
build
out
and
things
and
utilities.
So
we
have
to
look
at
that
larger
area,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
people
are
aware
that
that
does
happen.
I.
B
C
C
Yeah,
I
wasn't
based
based
upon
that.
I
have
a
question
comment
whatever,
because
in
in
other
jurisdictions,
where
I
worked
in
a
situation
like
that,
the
the
area
within
the
city's
planning
boundary
was
all
required
to
come
through
the
city
for
approval.
Is
there
not
a
way
to
facilitate
that?
It
didn't
require
them
to
annex,
even
necessarily,
but
if
they
were
going
to.
H
Addition
to
whatever
they
do
with
pinellas
county
yeah,
we
do
not
have
that
in
our
in
our
repertoire
of
tools
right
now,
so
I
think
that's
you
know.
Looking
at
the
broader
annexation
area,.
D
H
So-
and
some
of
that
would
be,
I
would
have
to
say
that
that
would
probably
have
to
also
be
some
sort
of
an
agreement
with
pinellas
county
that
and
I'm
just
going
to
preface
that
that's
a
little
bit
outside
my
boundaries
right
now,
because
the
whole
process
to
do
an
interlocal
agreement
under
for
annexation
under
the
state
statutes
is
a
real
formal
process.
So
just
we'll
put
that
on
the
we'll
make
sure
that
that's
in
the
the
comments
and
everything
for
what
I'm
trying
to
get
to
to
for
tonight.
I'm
not
don't
know
that.
D
And
that
go
ahead,
I
was
going
to
say
I
I
don't
know
what
the
vetting
process
is
at
the
county.
I
I
think,
as
far
as
this,
this
board
that
I
that
we
sit
on,
I
think
we
do
a
pretty
decent
job
trying
to
vet
the
applications.
D
I
don't
know
if
it's
vetted
as
as
as
stringent
as
we
try
to
vet
these
applications
at
the
city
level
than
they
do
at
the
county
level,
because
I
don't
know
who
sits
on
the
county
zoning
board.
But
but
you
know,
I
think
we
try
to
vet
these
things
pretty
good,
because
you
know
we're
we're
more
isolated
for
what
our
community
not
necessarily
county-wide
perspective,
so
if
they
don't
vet
them,
as
as
as.
H
One
of
the
things
that
I'll
that
I'll
commit
to
as
we're
going
through
the
overall
update
of
the
comp
plan
is
looking
at
the
area
where,
because
right
now,
it's
very
broad
as
to
what
the
you
know,
the
annexation
area
was
and
frankly
that
that's
that's
self-serving
for
tax-based
purposes,
but
there
may
be
a
broader
discussion
to
be
had
regarding
we
don't
have
any
utilities
out
here.
We
don't
have
any.
H
You
know,
maybe
that
shouldn't
be
part
of
our
our
area,
that
we
should
be
thinking
about
annexing,
and
so
that's
something
that
we
can
look
at
through
the
overall
comp
plan
update.
I
think,
that's
a,
I
think,
that's
a
worthy
discussion
to
have
you
know
you
know
the
the
mindset
of
most
municipalities,
you
know
from
a
you
know:
sustainability
standpoint
is
get
every
tax
base
you
can
and
so
that
you
know
whether
or
not
that's
really
a
good
idea.
You
know,
I
think,
that's
something.
H
H
Really
I'm
gathering
input
and
at
this
point
just
as
a
discussion,
I
want
to
hear
your
thoughts
and
I've
heard
a
lot
of
them,
whether
or
not
all
that
will
get
baked
into
something
to
an
interim
amendment.
I
you
know
I
have
to
go,
have
the
same
conversation
with
the
board
of
commissioners.
You
know,
obviously
you
know.
Ultimately
my
final
direction's
really
probably
going
to
come.
You
know
as
a
combination
of
these
two
boards,
so
once
I
do
all
of
that,
you
know
so
tonight.
H
I
really
want
to
hear
your
thoughts
and
if
it's
something
that
strays
outside
of
what
I
was
looking
for
direction
on,
I
want
that
anyway.
My
my
biggest
concern
for
the
annexation
stuff
tonight
was
really
the
mandatory
annexation
issue
and
how
we,
you
know,
the
the
one
you
were
discussing,
mr
vesey
was
really
I
mean
that
was
a
voluntary
annexation,
a
little
different
animal.
H
The
thing
that
I'm
we're
having
a
lot
of
heartburn
with
are
these
mandatory
annexations
for
utilities
and
the
way
that
the
process
was
set
up
when
this
was
put
in
place
and
that
there
is
no
bright
line.
I
don't
have
anything
that
says
you
must
come
into
the
city
first
or
you
must
complete
a
project
in
pinellas
county
and
then
annex
in
whether
it's
non-conforming
or
thing
that
this
is
stuff
that
I
do
not
have
in
the
ordinance.
And
so
it's
a
very.
H
B
D
F
To
county
restrictions,
county
lounge
development
codes,
tan
county
regulations,
the
county
building
permit
process
when
they
get
to
item
number
seven
on
the
county's
building
permit
process.
Now
you're
saying
oh
well,
now
tarpon
springs
code
applies
and
if
you
decide
at
that
point
what
if
they
decide
that
at
that
point,
oh
I'm
just
going
to
hook
up
to
county
stuff
later
on,
they
decide.
Oh
no.
I
need
to
be
on
on
tarpon
springs
water,
which
is
kind
of
what
you're
describing
is
happening,
but.
B
H
They
do,
but
you
have
a,
but
this
you
have
a
can
they
do
this
section.
20-23
says
that
they
do.
That's
that's
the
hitch
of
all
of
this
is
how
this
section
20-23
is
written.
That
says,
if
you
are
going
to
be
served
by
city
city
utilities,
and
you
are
contiguous
to
our
boundary,
you
will
annex
that's
the
way
this
is
written,
and
so
I'm
looking
for
a
better
process.
In
terms
of
how
I
deal
with
this,
do
what
do
we
say?
H
E
E
That's
the
way
it
is
now
is:
does
that
cost
do
we?
Do
we
expend
city
resources,
handling
that
that
that.
G
D
H
Don't
not
really,
no
so
what
what?
What
typically
will
happen
is
or
how
it
has
happened
in
the
past.
You
know,
let's
say
they've
applied
for
their
building
permits
in
pinellas,
county
they're
under
construction,
and
then
they
apply
for
annexation,
so
the
annexation
process,
so
there's
a
fee.
They
have
to
pay
the
advertising.
There
is
staff
time
associated
with
processing
and
annexation
on
the
building
permit
side.
H
H
Pay
some
of
they
do
we
get
a
hundred
percent.
I
don't
know
I'd
have
to
ask
the
building
official,
but
any
impact
fees
that
we
assess
that
the
county
does
not.
They
have
to
pay,
they
have
to
pay
for
like
a
building
permit.
Like
you
know,
I
don't
say
it's
an
acceptance,
there's
a
fee
there
associated
with
the
building
permit
and
for
inspections,
and
things
like
that.
H
I'm
sure
that
there's
a
way
to
probably
do
that,
so
you
could
that
that's
a
fee
issue
that
we
set
our
fees
locally.
So,
yes,
I
think
that
could
be
done.
Make.
C
B
H
Well,
it's
I
I
I
see
what
you're
saying
individually,
but
there's
also
a
you
know
there
may
be
a
water
line
or
a
sewer
line
that
is
in
the
area.
That's
within
a
certain
foot
threshold
that
would
trigger
it.
It
may
not
just
be
it's
a
property
being
served
right
now,
it's
a
property
that
can
be
served
in
the
future.
So
it's
not
it.
You
know
I'm
trying
to
think
how
we
could
do
what
you're.
D
B
B
H
Two
yeah
number
two
and
the
the
thing
that
I
want
everything
that's
in
here
about
with
me,
with
one
minor
exception.
Everything
that's
in
here
for
coastal
high
hazard
area
really
is
predicated
upon
the
the
evaluation
kicks
in
if
you're
doing
a
land
use
map
amendment.
H
So
that
is
everything
else
is
built
around
land
use
map
amendments.
So
if
you
want
to
come
in
and
you
want
to
increase
the
residential
density
on
a
given
piece
of
property
through
a
land
use
map
amendment
and
it's
in
the
coastal
hazard
area,
the
answer
is
going
to
be.
No,
so
that's
that
doesn't
happen.
H
I
think
the
bigger
question
of
dealing
with
properties
that-
and
I
think
this
is
the
real
debate
point,
because
we
even
went
as
far
as
you
know,
asking
pinellas
county,
you
know
and
having
them
review
things
for
coastal
hazard
area.
Is
there
shelter
capacity?
And
so,
when
you
start,
you
know,
I
think
that's
the
one.
The
one
thing
that
is
kind
of
open
to
debate
about
or
could
be
stronger
language
or
just
absolute,
cleaner
language
that
if
it's
in
the
coastal
hazard
area,
you
have
five
units
to
the
acre.
H
You
know
unless
there's
something
so
overwhelmingly
compelling.
You
know
that
that
that's
that
to
dustify,
you
know
an
additional
level
of
density.
So
I
just
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
this
is
another
difficult
area,
because
we
have
properties
that
have
development
rights
on
them
that
are
more
than
that
that
are
in
the
in
the
coastal
hazard
area.
This
is
the
other
thing
to
keep
in
mind.
It
keeps
moving.
H
H
J
H
H
H
Correct
so
that's
that's
the
coastal
hazard
area
definition,
and
so
we
have
policies
that
basically
speak
to
increasing
density
in
a
coastal
high
hazard
area
by
a
land
use
map
amendment.
So
you
have
to
look
at
so
you're
asking
for
something
to
go
up.
You
know
those
are
very
cut
and
dry
and,
generally
speaking,
you're
not
going
to
get
an
amendment
to
increase
density
in
the
co
it
a
land
use
map
to
a
land,
use
map,
change,
increased
density
in
the
coastal
high
hazard
area.
H
I
think
where,
where
the
discussion
point
really
gets
to
is,
you've
got
existing
residential
density
on
the
property.
Let's
say
it's
rm15
residential
multi-family
15
units
to
the
acre
and,
let's
say
10
years
ago:
it
wasn't
in
the
coastal
hazard
area,
but
because
the
maps
get
updated
and
it
obviously
was
sea
level
rise
in
the
way
that
the
maps
work
now
it's
in
so
do
they
are
they
still
entitled
to
their
10
units
to
the
acre?
No
okay,
you
know
or.
B
D
Well,
they
did
it
when
no,
we
had
to
build.
I.
H
H
B
H
B
H
Order
to
restrict
permanent
population
density
increases
within
the
coastal
hazard
area.
The
city
shall
deny
future
land
use
map
amendment
proposals
which
would
result
in
an
increase,
blah
blah
blah,
except
that
the
city
may
consider
amendment
based
upon
balancing
of
these
of
these
following
criteria.
So
these
are
the
things
that
you
would
have
to
take
into
consideration.
B
If
there
was
an
increase
in
density,
proposed
amendment
would
utilize
existing
infrastructure
without
necessitating
the
expenditure
of
public
funds.
Okay,
because
I
was
going
through
that
those
next
two
sentences
going
okay,
so
be
here
so,
for
example,
without
passing
judgment,
but
they're
the
most
recent
and
perhaps
the
most
important,
and
they
would
make
good
thought
experiments.
B
B
H
The
only
thing
they
did
to
the
extent
that
that
other
five
acre
limitation
or
five
unit
per
acre
limitation
that
I
talked
about-
there's
a
policy
in
here.
Yes,
so
we
required
them
to
do
a
hurricane
shelter
impact
study,
which
was
then
also
reviewed
by
pinellas
county
okay
to
support
as
part
of
the
whole
project
and
the
compatibility
review
and
everything
else.
That
was
part
of
that.
That
process.
B
So,
within
one
of
those
applications,
I
remember
clearly,
I
might
even
have
brought
it
to
the
table-
is
that
I
read
either
a
state
statute.
I
think
it
was
a
state
statute
or
it
was
an
opinion
by
the
attorney
general
that
pointed
out,
and
it
was
concurred
by
the
pinellas
county
floodplains
manager.
I
think
her
name
was
julie
and
they
quoted
and
said
that
there
should
be
a
discouragement,
and
I
think
that
word
is
clear,
that
there
is
a
discouragement
of
development
within
the
coastal
high
hazard
area.
B
H
That's
and
that's
and
I'll
take
that
opinion
and
then
that's.
Why
I'm
here
talking
about
this
particular
issue,
because
it
is
important
there
is
wiggle
room,
the
way
that
things
are
written
now
and
is
there?
Is
there
a
way
to
tighten
that
or
make
it
you
know
we
I
mean
we
certainly
we
do
discourage
development
in
the
coastal
high
hazard
area.
H
Unfortunately,
we
have
a
lot
of
development
rights
that
pre-exist
all
of
this.
So
it's
it's
that
discussion
of
well,
the
development
rates.
You
know
the
residential
density
is
there
so,
and
it
gets
back
to
the
question
that
I
just
asked
you
so
should
they?
If
it's
in
the
coastal
hazard
area,
is
there
another
level
of
scrutiny
and-
and
there
is,
but
you
know
what
how
how
adamant
are
we
going
to
be?
Are
we
just
going
to
say
that
it's
five
units
to
the
acre
maximum
period,
regardless
of
our
shelter?
H
You
know
what
we
can
say
because
some
of
it
is
you
know
there
was
a
process.
We
you
know
you
go
through.
You
can
do
a
shelter
study.
We
have
the
methodology
to
do
that.
Pinellas
county
reviews
them,
and
so,
if
something
still
you
go
through
all
that
and
it
says:
okay,
there's,
not
a
shelter
deficit
until
you
get
to
you
know
a
cat
5
hurricane.
Well.
Is
that
a
reasonable
standard
to
apply
because
that
standard
applies
to
all
of
pinellas
county?
H
You
know
there's
nowhere
in
pinellas
county
that
you
don't
have
a
shelter
deficit
at
a
category
five,
so
that
that's
kind
of
I
mean
what
there's
also
what's
the
what's
the
right
level
of
cut
off?
Is
it?
Is
it
a
category
three?
Is
it
a
four
I
mean
so
or
is
it
just
this?
We
don't
really
care.
We
have
so
much
of
our
property
or
our
city
is
in
the
coastal
hazard
area
that
you're
going
to
be
limited
to
five
units
to
the
acre.
B
C
B
Might
defer
back
to
the
comment
I
made
before
renee
is
that
there
were
state
statute,
county
flood,
plain
manager,
input
and
they
use
the
word
discourage
there.
We
might
be
able
to
flesh
out
some
guidance
from
those
bodies,
because
there
was
a
reason
that
that
particular
letter
was
written,
suggesting
that
and
again
I'm
just
going
to
use
someone
else's
words
that
were
written.
This
is
a
county
official.
That
said,
the
anclote
project
was
flat
out
a
bad
decision
that
it
ran
in
the
face
of
florida,
state
statute,
the
chha
and
those
current
guidelines.
C
H
No,
I
mean
the
discussion
is,
is
good,
that's
that
was
really
what
I
was
looking
for.
We've
talked
about
mandatory
annexations.
H
D
D
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
and
I
and
I
recognize
that
that
it's
it's
required
by
statute
to
be
able
to
have
mandatory
fruit
trucks.
I
think
we
did
a
really
good
job
when
we
put
in
criteria
with
regard
to
food
trucks,
because
you
know
the
idea
was.
As
far
as
I
I
was
concerned,
I
didn't
want
food
trucks
inundated
in
the
sponge
duck
area
because
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
spend
a
lot
of
money
for
stick,
stick
and
brick
restaurants,
it's
just
fun,
fundamentally
unfair
that
they
pay
taxes.
D
You
know
where
you
could
just
drive
a
food
truck
up
and
and
take
away
their
business
so,
but
I
think
I
think
that
was
done
pretty
well
one
of
the
things
that
that.
D
I
was
concerned
about,
and
it
goes
to,
I
think
it
goes
to
where
a
somebody
already
having
an
operating
business.
I
know
some
of
them
are
already
grandfathered
into
it,
but
there's
one
on
the
west
end
of
the
sponge
docks,
but
but
where
a
mobile
food
dispensing
vehicle
may
only
be
operated
by
the
primary
business
owner
as
an
extension
of
the
primary
business
and
my
concern
with
that
is,
let's
say
somebody
has
a
brewery
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
they
they
bring
in
a
permanent.
D
So
so
I
I
don't
know
how
and
the
fact
that
they
could
they
could
put
on
the
food
truck
all
the
advertising,
because
we
have.
We
have
site
ordinances.
If
you're
going
to
open
up
a
business,
you're
allowed
a
sign,
that's
whatever
size
that
the
the
ordinance
allows
you
to
do
now
you
get
a
food
truck
that
has
the
this,
the
that's
that's
wrapped.
J
D
I
don't
either,
but,
but
I
I
think
that
that
should
be
part
of
the
criteria
is.
Is
you
know
you?
You
know
you,
you
go
through
all
the
the
process
to
get
the
biggest
sign
you
you
can
get
and
all
of
a
sudden.
Now
you
get
a
food
truck
and
you
wrap
it.
Now
you
you've
doubled
or
tripled
your
signage,
and
that
I
think
that's
that's
a
a
way
of
circumventing
part
of
the.
H
D
Ordinance
number
one
number
two
when
when
some
of
these
places
are
are
granted
their
their
their
their
their
permit,
they're
required
to
have
so
many
parking
spaces
and
and
and
so
that
when
you
park
a
food
truck,
if
it
takes
two
or
three
or
four
parking
spaces,
now
you
you've
in
fact
affected.
So.
H
Under
5606,
the
which
talks
about
mobile
food
dispensing
vehicles
as
accessory
to
a
food
or
drink
that
so
all
of
that
does
get
reviewed
would
have
to
get
reviewed
through
our
technical
review
committee.
So
you
know
they
can't
they
can't
blow
out
their
parking
they
have
to.
H
They
have
to
be
able
to
connect
to
permanent
power
rather
than
running
generators.
If
they,
they
probably
would
have
to
have
a
grease
trap.
All
those
things
you
know
connect
to
utilities
and
things.
So
all
of
that
is
presupposed
in
that
that
section
of
the
code.
So,
regarding
the
signage
I
mean
you
know,
that's
something
I
think
we
can.
You
know
we
could
probably
provide
some
clarification
to
definitely
the
one
thing
I
do
want
to
say.
H
When
I
pulled
this
out
of
munico,
it
still
hasn't
been
updated
because
there
has
been
one
amendment
to
this
under
on
page
22
number,
nine,
the
second
sentence
of
that
has
been
struck.
The
mobile
food
dispensing
vehicle
must
display
a
graphic
image
name
or
branding
of
the
primary
food
or
drink
establishment
that
has
actually
been
removed
from
the
code
it
just.
I
should
have
struck
it
out
of
here,
but
it
just
hasn't
called
up
the
muni
code
yet
and
I
missed
it.
So
that's
no
longer
applicable.
D
So
this
ordinance
has
actually
done
a,
I
think,
a
pretty
good
job,
because
we
don't
see
the
integration
of
food
trucks
in
tarpon.
So
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
done
a
good
job
as
it
stands.
I
don't
know,
does
anybody
have
any.
H
H
D
H
E
So
the
the
florida
statue
get
said
that
we
had.
We
had
to
afford
food
trucks,
a
certain
amount
of
latitude
right
like.
H
E
With
that
said,
doesn't
first
friday.
E
Meat,
wouldn't
that
have
if
we
just
if
only
on
first
friday
alone,
we
have
a
whole
downtown
full
of
food
trucks.
Would
that
meet
that
standard.
H
E
So
then,
if
if
we,
my
wife
held
a
surprise
birthday
party
for
me
and
she
had
a
food
truck
brought
in
so
and
it
was
in
oakley
village,
so
just
letting
you
know
so.
E
But
then
that
would
also
have
to
meet
whatever
their
you
know,
their
their
homeowners
association,
absolutely.
H
E
I
think
it's
like
mike
says
I
think,
whatever
we
have
appears
to
be
working
well,
we're
not
unindated
with
them,
and
I
and
a
lot
of
this
has
to
had
to
do
with
the
fact
that
a
person
could
put
a
food
truck
in
their
in
their
parking
lot
of
their
restaurant
was
during
covid,
because
we
wanted
people.
E
Of
having
to
come
inside
of
a
restaurant
and
all
that
so,
but
it
doesn't
seem
like
we
have
a
no
truck
problem.
D
And
for
me
I
was
approached
by
several
restauranteers
down
at
the
sponge
docks
who
are
concerned
about.
You
know
somebody
who
owns
a
big
parking
lot
down
there
and
having
having
a
bunch
of
food
trucks
serving
food
taking
away
from
from
you
know
the
restaurants
or
the
restaurant
experience
down
there,
and-
and
I
thought
that
you
know,
I
think
we
did
a
pretty
good
job
of
crafting
the
requirements,
but
special
special,
permitting
or
special
event
permits.
H
C
J
C
H
There
there
will
be
and
and
and
think
about
things
that
you
know
and
thinking
more
land
development
code
and
the
smart
code
with
the
sponge
docs
and
the
downtown
and
everything
you
know.
There's
we've
kind
of
got
a
bullet
list
of
things
that
that
we
think
need
to
be
addressed
that
aren't
like
policy
earth
shaking
things
or
just
you
know
things
that
come
up
in
the
review
processes,
and
things
like
that.
So
I.
D
Like
this
approach,
I
like
this
approach
that
we're
piecemealing
it
and
and
having
discussion
a
good
discussion
on
the
eye
on
the
items
instead
of
inundated
with
a
bunch
of
information,
so.
H
Yeah
I
like
this
process.
I
think
you
know,
I
think
the
department's
been.
H
You
know
I
don't
want
to
see
accused
of,
but
you
know
it's
I
think.
Sometimes
the
perception
is
that
we
draft
a
strike
through
underline
and
bring
it
through,
and
you
know-
and
that
has
been
done
in
the
past,
and
so
you
know
without
you
know
enough-
maybe
discussion
before
we
even
get
to
that
point.
So
I
really
wanted
to
be
cognizant
of
that
and
talk
to
the
board
and
and
to
the
board
of
commissioners.
H
H
H
C
H
A
C
The
consideration
of
our
workshop
action
items
I'd
like
to
commend
the
staff
for
doing.
I
think,
a
really
good
job
of
of
compiling
a
lot
of
comments
of
different
sorts
into
some
sort
of
order
that
that
kind
of
makes
sense.
At
least
it
did
to
me-
and
I
think
it
did
a
pretty
good
job
of
covering
everything
I
could
think
of.
We
talked
about
anyways,
but
what?
J
I
think
there's
a
couple
I'd
like
to
see
if
I
can,
if
we
can
come
to
some
action
on
and
then
I've
kind
of
got
them
in
in
organized
into
three
groups,
things
that
are
under
your
powers
and
duties,
things
that
are
in
your
rules
or
procedures
and
things
that
are
not
under
your
powers
and
duties,
and
I
do
have
some
updates
on
where
these
are
so.
J
We
could
go
through
them,
one
by
one.
I
don't
think
it'll
take
too
long,
so
I
believe
items
one
and
two
we've
just
dealt
with
with
renee's
items
that
she
was
looking
at
item.
Three
is
where
you
all
had
generally
expressed
a
desire
for
application
deficiencies
to
be
addressed
and
brought
back
to
you,
and
the
idea
is
that
that,
once
you
run
a
decision,
the
applicant
does
not
then
bring
in
more
documents,
information
and
revisions.
Things
like
that
on
your
way
to
going
to
the
board
of
commissioners.
J
If
you
were
to
want
to
try
to
request
that
the
board
consider
some
type
of
code
amendment,
you
would
look
at
article
12,
which
is
the
administration
enforcement
of
the
of
the
land
development
code.
That's
that's
the
part
that
tells
all
the
application
procedures
and
you
might
request
that
the
board.
J
But
if
you
wanted
to
go
that
route,
I
would
be
looking
for
for
some
type
of
emotion
that
expresses
that
general
concern
that
applications
that
come
before
you
once
you
make
a
decision
that
they
can't
basically
be
revised
I'll,
say
and
without
coming
back
to
you
in
some
form.
D
H
D
To
go
through
the
whole
application
process,
all
over
they've
just
when
they
have
to
they
just
do
it
an
amendment
and
then
come
back
in
front
of
this
board,
because
obviously
the
issue
was
we
got
so
much
and
then
the
the
when
they
went
for
the
commission.
They
got
a
lot
more
in
material,
and
I
thought
that
was
you
know
right.
J
Item
just
yeah,
it
would
just
be
a
motion
to
address.
J
J
So
the
process
would
be
you
you
would.
You
would
ask
the
board
to
consider
that
the
board
would
then
direct
staff
correctly
from
wrong
to
draft
a
you
know
come
up
with
a
draft
change
that
would
obviously
come
back
to
you
if
the
board
directs
us
to
to
do.
H
That
so
either
through
motion
or
consensus.
However,
you
want
to
do
that
if
these
are
things
that
I
can
go
ahead
and
wrap
into
this
other
set
of
amendments
that
we've
been
talking
about,
I'm
going
to
be
going
to
the
board
of
commissioners.
I
can
certainly
carry
that
forward
at
that
point
in
time.
You
know,
I
think,
you're
talking
about
the
ability
to
amend
an
application,
whether
rather
than
having
to
withdraw
and
what
yeah
I
mean
that
those
are
fairly
minor
things
that
I
think
we
can
bring
forward
to
the
board
with.
D
D
B
E
I
I
think
we
have
to
identify
materiality
on
on
this
issue
right
because
look
at
like
the
the
hotel
right.
They
they
brought
their
package
to
us.
Then
they
made
some
site
plan
like
changes
to
the
facade.
Remember
they
they
updated
that
facade
and
it
was
a
different
facade
than
what
we
saw
here
now.
I
that
didn't
trouble
me
because
I
don't.
I
don't
think
that
was
a
material
change
in
the
in
the
you
know
the
the
application,
so
we
would
we
would.
E
H
E
H
H
C
H
Right
now
it's
dead,
I'm
sorry,
so
I
think
things
like
that
you're
clearly
giving
the
applicant
direction
to
to
change
something
in
its
process
as
it
moves
forward,
and
I
think
that's
what
we
need
to
be
cognizant
of.
I
think
absent,
that
you
know
if
you
would
have
said
if
you
recommended
approval
of
that.
Without
that
condition
about
the
appearance,
then
I
think
they're
stuck.
So
I
think
it's
the
no.
We
need
to
be
cognizant
of
when
we
bring
things
to
you.
C
E
C
A
C
If,
if
we're
here
meeting
with
them
and
it,
it
becomes
clear
that
they're
not
going
to
get
where
they
want
to
be
at
the
end
of
that
meeting
and
they
want
to
choose
to
amend
their
application,
but
if
they
in
a
situation
like
that
and
they
amend
it.
It
comes
back
to
us
right
before
it
goes
to
the
boc
right.
H
I
think
the
problem
is
is
that
right
now,
and
I
think
this
is
what
we're
looking
for
clarification
on
under
our
code-
you
either
have
to
approve
it
or
deny
it.
You
don't
have
the
ability
to
defer
it
and
which-
and
I
understand
why
that
that
is,
but
I
think
there
needs
to
be
some
allowance
for
I
don't
know.
I
think
that
that's,
I
think,
that's
the
piece.
That's.
D
Well,
let
me
I
got
a
question
for
council,
okay
and
and
they're
right
I
mean
when,
when
we
look
at
an
application,
it's
either
we
pass
it
or
we
don't
it,
and
you
made
the
count.
You've
made
the
comments
several
times.
It's
not
our
job
to
assist
the
applicant
in
their
process,
but
I
think
it's
maybe
I'm
wrong.
D
You
know
it's.
I
think
it's
our
job,
because
you
know
when
everybody's
going
through
this
process
is
not
to
help
the
applicant
but
give
the
applicant
guidance
as
to
what
this
board
may
be
would
look
at
favorably
and
use.
I
think
the
discussion
we
had
is.
Can
I
do
that?
Or
can
I
not
do
that
and
that
gives
the
applicant
the
opportunity
to
go
back
and
amend
their
application
to
resubmit,
so
we
can
look
more
favorably
upon
something
because
otherwise
I
you
know
you
know
it's
either,
yes
or
no!
F
F
The
answer
is
going
to
be,
it
depends
if
it's
a
legislative
decision,
then
I
think
I
don't
have
a
problem
legally
speaking
with
you
providing
guidance
to
them
with
what
you
would
like
to
see.
Okay,
if
it's
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding,
I
have
a
problem
with
that
because
remember
they
it's
their
burden.
F
You
don't
have
the
ability
to
do
that
in
your
code.
You
have
the
ability
to
recommend
denial
or
you
have
the
ability
to
recommend
approval.
Now
what
we
were
talking
about
is
you
know
you
want
to
give
them
another
shot
to
amend
it,
and
you
had
mentioned
earlier.
You
know
when
it's
looking
like.
Maybe
it's
not
going
to
be
favorable
to
them,
they
can
walk
away.
F
I
mean
that's
their
right
to
do
that.
I
think
what
and
then
you
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong.
I
think
what
this
was
saying
is
that,
after
you
make
a
recommendation
for
denial
or
a
recommendation
for
approval,
whatever
your
recommendation
is,
if
they
take
those
notes
or
whatever
was
discussed,
and
then
they
amend
it
or
they
add
more
beef
to
it,
to
bring
it
to
the
board
of
commissioners,
because
they've
heard
this
board
speak,
you
want
that
to
come
back
to
you,
so
that
you
can
consider
it
further
yeah
with
the
additional
information,
because.
F
B
F
E
So
we
did
that
we
we
did
that
during
that.
Remember
that
one
on
gross
street,
when
those
guys
had
came
and
they
had
that
zero
setback.
Oh.
E
J
Yeah,
that's
an
example
that
was
the
same
applicant
two
properties.
You
rendered
the
decision
on
one
they
had
to.
They
had
to
reapply
with
a
different
plant,
the
other
one
you're
right
during
the
meeting
he
kind
of
saw
the
handwriting
on
the
wall
and
he
chose
to
defer
the
application.
Now
the
applicant
can
do
that.
You
can't
defer,
but
so
that
is
another
thing
that
happens.
E
In
conversation
again,
I
don't
know
how
how
well
these
people
are
coached
in
advances.
You
know
to
how
the
process
works,
but
in
conversation
they
can
kind
of
see
where
it's
going
and
then
they
could
have
like
you
say
they
could
have
the
choice
to
say:
okay,
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
pull
the
application
in.
H
H
So
if
we
have
an
application,
it
comes
through
this
board
and
you
recommend
denial
and
certain
things
come
out
at
that
point
in
time,
and
it's
just
really
more
question.
I
think
for
the
attorney.
So
the
applicant
decides
after
that,
that
they
want
to
amend
the
application
and
that's
what
we've
been
told.
We
don't
have
the
ability
to
do.
They
have
to
either
withdraw
the
current
one
and
reapply
with
something
new,
but
they
can't
amend
and
and
the
reason
that
that
gets,
I
mean
frankly,
it's
a
paperwork
drill
on
our
part,
but
you.
B
H
F
H
B
B
I
A
J
The
next
one
number
four
is
regarding
a
review
of
application
types.
This
was
specific
to
the
potential
for
this
board,
making
a
final
decision
on
applications.
During
the
workshop,
we
came
up
with
two
types
that
could
potentially
be
a
final
decision,
their
resolution
they
are
adopted
by
resolution
that
would
be
conditional
uses
and
site
plans.
J
J
That
would
be
accompanied,
at
least
at
the
staff
level,
by
a
request
for
them
to
review
section
12
of
the
city
charter
and
consider
any
amendments
to
that
that
they
deem
necessary.
That's
not
really
under
your
purview
to
recommend,
but
that's
kind
of
part
of
that,
so
the
question
for
you
is
is:
would
you
like
to
ask
for
that
type
of
review
authority
or
for
them
to
consider
and
bring
back
some
type
of
amendment?
For
that.
C
Yeah
I
mean
from
my
perspective,
I
think
it
it
makes
sense,
it
they've
got
a
lot
to
deal
with
and
it
at
least
saves
them.
Some
extra
effort
on
those
particular
applications
and
and
allows
us
to
to
have
some
items,
at
least
where,
where
we,
where
our
decision
is
final
and
things,
don't
get
changed
so
I
mean,
I
think
everybody
agree
with
that
yep.
C
J
F
C
Good,
oh
okay,
okay,
perfect!
So
is
there
any
further
board
disc
or
board
discussion
before
we
have
a
roll
call?
No
roll
call!
Please.
C
J
And
then
number
five
is
just
some
of
the
sections
of
code.
You
all
were
suggesting
changes
to
or
addressing
we
talked
about
some
of
those
earlier
and
a
couple
of
these
may
come
back
to
you
as
well.
J
Renee
was
talking
about
doing
some
kind
of
quick
fix
amendments
to
the
code
that
she's
we're
going
to
be
bringing
back,
and
then
the
rest
of
these
would
would
go
through
the
comp
plan
process
or
come
back
later,
but
some
you
talked
about
tonight,
but
we'd
like
the
chance
to
just
bring
these
back
where,
where
they're
appropriate,
we
will
obviously
save
this
list,
keep
adding
to
the
list
with
the
concerns
that
you
all
bring
up.
J
You're
looking
for
requesting
any
action
doesn't
number
six.
There
was
a
lot
of
discussion
around
a
mission
statement
or
a
pre
sign
up
kind
of
a
statement
of
your
purpose.
J
We
wrote
something
up,
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
look
at
it
or
it
might
be
two
ways
to
go
with
this.
You
might
just
ask
staff
to
put
that
in
your
scripted
agenda
and
have
it
read
you
might
want
to
revise
it.
You
might
want
to
adopt
it
into
the
rules
or
procedure,
in
which
case
I'd
bring
it
back
next
month
for
adoption
revision
under
your
rules,
a
procedure.
J
However,
you
want
it
worded.
So
that's
what
that
one
is.
C
C
J
Fine
I'll
put
it
on
the
agenda
and
then
number
seven.
We
already
identified
that
that's
covered
in
your
current
rules
or
procedure.
That's
where
you
can,
you
know
have
one
of
you.
One
of
you
represent
the
board,
the
planning
and
zoning
board
before
the
board
of
commissioners
on
an
application.
J
Again,
the
charter
revision
potential
charter,
revision
or
review
that
was
already
discussed,
so
we'll
include
that
that
reminder
with
the
review
of
application
types
staff
recommendation
on
applications.
We,
you
know
we
will
be
diligent
in
making
the
applicant
aware
of
potential
outcomes
of
the
public
hearing
process
we're
not
always
making
recommendations.
Now
I
think
that's
something
that
will
it's
kind
of
fluid
that
we
will
work
out
at
the
staff
level.
J
J
Okay,
great
and
then
number
11
the
sustainability
board
input.
That
is
something
sustainability.
Standards
are
definitely
something
we
expect
to
be
incorporated
into
the
comp
plan
with
land
development
code
changes
following
they
are
still
diligently
working
on
their
action
plan
and
I
think
they're
still
looking
at
maybe
fall
for
adoption.
So.
H
One
thing
that
we
have
done
is
in
this
regard,
our
sustainability
coordinator,
robin
is
where
we've
pulled
her
into
our
technical
review
committee
meetings,
so
she's
reviewing
and
at
least
seeing
these
site
plans
that
are
coming
through,
and
you
know
where
we
can
make.
You
know,
suggestions
and
recommendations.
H
You
know
we
can't
if
it's
not
in
our
code,
we
can't
require
them,
but
we
can
at
least
make
them
aware
of
opportunities
to
you
know
make
things
you
know
mate,
whether
it's
solar
or
you
know
having
you
know,
pre.
You
know
pre-conduit
for
electric
car
charging
and
things
like
things
that
we
can
encourage
them
to
do
we're
doing
that
now.
J
Okay,
so
number
12.
We
have
initiated
train
orientation
for
new
board
members.
I
sent
you
that
package
and
then
number
13
was
just.
I
think
we
just
talked
about
that.
J
Maybe
it's
kind
of
the
flip
side
of
suggesting
improvements,
you're
kind
of
I
think
you
know
getting
more
to
where
you're
telling
the
applicant
or
giving
them
the
message.
You
know
these
are
areas
we
think
are.
Are
not
you
know
we
don't
like.
We
don't
think
they
carry
out
the
land
development
code
and
they,
then
the
light
bulb,
goes
on
with
them.
Well,
maybe,
if
I
change
these
setbacks,
they'll
get
better.
So
I
think
that's
kind
of
a
flip.
Your
kind
of
doing
that,
so
those
were
the
items
we
had
from
your
workshop.
C
Yes,
I'd
definitely
like
to
to
thank
staff
for
for
all
the
effort
in
both
of
these
things
tonight,
and
I
think
we've
made
some
real
headway
towards
changing
with
some
things
that
are
going
to
improve
the
way
things
work.
So
thanks
for
the
the
time
and
effort,
if
nobody
has
anything
else,.
J
B
So
that's
true,
forgive
me.
I
had
I
confused
this
list
with
that
meeting.
That
was
this
wednesday.
This
is
actually
for
a
meeting
action
item
from
the
meeting
on
may
9th
yeah.
It's
okay
got
it.
A
D
J
And
we
did
send
exercises
ahead
of
time.
I
just
get
just
gave
commit
yeah.
J
H
H
Yeah,
so
no
just
in
all
seriousness,
if
you
work
on
these
yourself,
that's
fine.
Don't
have
discussion
offline
with
your
board
members
about
it.
It's
to
get
your
individual
input
as
a
board,
then
you
can
discuss
it
on
wednesday,
with
the
with
the
consultant
and
with
us
so
yeah,
because.
D
H
To
do
the
work
and
if
you
know,
if
you
can't
attend
the
meeting,
you
just
turn
it
into
us
when
you're
at
some
point
it
doesn't
have
to
be
just
don't
discuss
it,
just
give
it
to
us
and
treat
it
like
a
you
know,
an
ex
parte
kind
of
thing.
So
just
that
way
you
don't
have
to
be
here,
but
we
can
get
the
input.