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A
I
just
wanted
to
inform
everybody
that
diane
received
an
email
from
mr
stackhouse
saying
that
he
will
be
going
on
this
fabulous
adventure
and
we'll
miss
the
november
and
december
meetings.
So
he
has
an
excused
absence
and
we
wish
you
well
and
maybe
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
you
could
fill
us
in
on
some
details
all
right.
Okay,
great,
we
have
a
guest
today,
sculptor
mike
elwell
who'll
be
making
a
presentation
to
us.
A
I'd
like
to
entertain
a
motion
to
accept
a
submitted
bill.
Second,
second
trish
minutes
of
september,
8th
2021
accepted,
is
submitted
as
a
courtesy
to
mr
elwell.
We're
going
to
move
him
up
in
the
agenda.
He's
one
of
our
he's,
a
sculptor
with
a
proposal
for
us.
He
sent
us
some
materials
which
are
in
our
backup.
So,
mr
elbow,
if
you
would
like
to
come
to
the
podium.
A
Right,
I'd
also
like
to
note
that
mr
elwell
has
filled
out
the
public
art
proposal.
For
you
know
with
all
with
all
the
details
of
you
know
his
idea
of
the
pack,
mr
elwell,
please
all.
C
C
I
have
not
had
any
art
background
whatsoever,
I
have
a
law
degree,
but
that
didn't
help
in
any
way
as
far
as
the
art,
but
I
had
a
friend
that
had
parkinson's
and
he
was
a
wood
carver
and
he
was
a
close
friend
and
at
one
point,
his
parkinson's
overtook
him
and
he
could
no
longer
complete
his
wood
carvings,
and
so
I
said
duke,
why
don't
we
make
molds
of
some
of
your
pieces
and
see
if
we
can't
cast
them
in
bronze
and
that
way
you
can
market
them
and
he
said
well,
okay,
but
how
do
we
do
this?
C
C
This
went
on
so
I
had
an
art
casting
foundry
for
almost
45
years.
At
one
point
I
had
eight
employees
and
it
just
it
just
grew
and
pretty
soon
I
found
myself
doing
so
much
touch-up
work
on
waxes
that
people
would
bring
to
have
cast
after
a
while.
I
thought
god.
You
know.
I
think
I
could
do
some
of
these
things,
because
I'm
kind
of
looking
at
some
of
the
heads
that
were
brought
in
and
thinking
you
know
that
eyeball
probably
doesn't
look
real
good
in
the
middle
of
the
forehead.
C
C
C
It's
huge
and
anyway,
that
being
kind
of
an
entree
I
went
down.
I
had
a
divorce
and
decided
I
was
going
to
move
to
saint
pete,
and
that
was
about
12
13
years
ago,
but
I
had
all
this
collection
of
artwork
that
I
drugged
down
to
saint
pete
with
me
and
put
my
studio,
and
so
I
thought
what
am
I
going
to
do
with
this?
So
I
thought
well
I'll,
go
down
beach
drive
and
see,
see
who's
interested
in
the
red
cloud
gallery.
C
C
So
I
did
that
and
then
about.
I
don't
know
months
later,
a
fellow
that
owned
waters
jewelry
says
well,
do
you
have
any
more
of
those
I'd
like
one
in
front
of
my
business?
Well,
that
grew
eventually
had
five
pieces
there
in
one
block
of
beach
drive
and
somehow
in
this
process
I
apparently
got
crosswise
of
the
arts
commission,
because
I
just
gone
to
the
owners
of
the
business
and
said:
would
you
like
one
of
these
without
any
official
approval?
C
What
have
you
and
but
they're
all
on
private
property?
They
all
fit
within
a
little
alcove
in
front
of
the
storefront.
So
I
wasn't
on
the
public
sidewalk
and
it's
been
been
a
blessing
and
a
handicap.
At
the
same
time,
because
in
terms
of
popularity,
these
are
really
popular
pieces
with
the
people
pictures
pictures
going
all
over
the
world
and
particularly
the
fact
that
they're
kind
of
interactive
they're
designed
to
have
somebody
sit,
get
the
kids
picture
and
then
they
forward
them.
I
mean
it's
funny.
D
C
The
the
casting
book
that
you
have
kind
of
shows
you
a
little
bit
about
when
you're,
comparing
sculptures
and
outdoor
pieces
and
safety
maintenance.
There
are
a
lot
of
things
to
take
into
account
and
what
I
was
mentioning
is
pieces
have
been
there
almost
10
years
and
they've
never
been
vandalized,
which
not
the
same
thing
as
saying
they
don't
get
old
and
tired.
C
Looking
because
with
so
many
people
handling
and
sitting,
probably
every
it's
a
rule
of
thumb,
I
think
about
every,
if
they're
in
a
public
spot,
maybe
every
six
to
seven
years,
it's
good
if
they
can
be
cleaned
and
don't
need
to
do
a
full
patina,
but
a
re-patina
new.
You
know
lacquers
and
you
know
see
how
it
it
looks
and
most
of
them
can
be
brought
back
so
they're
almost
just
brand
new.
C
D
C
C
C
Text
but
anyway,
the
the
pieces
are
available.
This
is
the
one
that
I
was
kind
of
pointed
to
to
suggest
and
if
you
have
any
questions,
I'm
they
probably
this
weighs
maybe
500
600
pounds.
It's
not
like
somebody
can
pull
up
in
the
middle
of
the
night
and
run
off
with
it.
D
C
A
C
Offense,
but
with
the
city
of
saint
pete,
since
I
had
circumvented,
apparently
the
arts
commission,
I
was
persona
non
grata
and
I
never
could
undo
that
it
was
just
well.
You
didn't
ask
for
our
permission,
so
it's
been
proposed
to
the
city
a
couple
of
times.
I
get
a
lot
of
gosh,
we
love
them,
but
if
we
buy
them,
we
will
have
to
put
them
in
a
public
place
since
they're
on
private
property
right
now,
and
they
said
we
like
them
where
they
are
and
we
get
them
for
free.
C
F
D
A
Yeah,
I
love
the
pelican
and
I
love
the
seahorse
bench
lucian.
Any
comments.
D
G
As
I
said,
I,
my
concern
really
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
merits
of
this
proposal.
I'm
looking
at
the
various
projects.
We
have
right
in
front
of
us
and
I
feel
like
I'm
sort
of
in
the
middle
of
a
kaleidoscope
and
can't
quite
focus
the
pattern.
Yet
I
know
we're
facing
a
big
budget
item
with
the
black
heritage
project.
G
Diane
has
suggested
a
water
sculpture
that
we're
exploring,
which
will
be
another
major
major
budget
item.
So
I'm
I'm
feeling
a
little
nervous
about
accepting
projects
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
At
this
point
in
time,
right.
A
H
D
D
A
A
Right
yeah,
I
think
right.
I
think
it
will
take
some.
You
know
delving
into
the
budget,
but
I
just
want
to
get
everybody's
feel
about
whether
we
should
delve
so.
A
J
J
F
Debbie
I
like
it,
but
I'm
I
would
also
be
concerned
about
our
financial.
F
But
I
would
like
to
explore
the
possibility.
Okay.
A
So,
mr
railwell,
I
think
if
it's
okay
with
you,
I
think
we're
going
to
just
work
with
marissa
and
take
a
look
at
our
budget
and
see
what
we
could
do
and
then,
as
I
said,
you
know
it
seems
like
everybody's
in
favor
of
it
and
then
would
have
to
bring
it
before
the
tarpon
springs
board
of
commissioners.
All
right
did.
E
You
did
you
decide
on
which
one
you're
interested
is
definitely
the
pelican,
or
are
you
entertaining
anything
else?
I
think
the
pelican.
D
A
H
H
F
E
A
D
C
A
C
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Yes,
okay,
we're
back
to
the
agenda,
we're
on
old
business.
The
girl
scout
troop
storm
drains
diane.
Do
you
want
to
bring
us
up
to
speed
on
that.
E
A
A
In
the
hopper
okay,
the
tarpon
springs
high
school
mural
project.
At
sunset,
beach
update.
We
got
an
email
from
lisa
fatilitis,
the
high
school
principal,
that
this
year,
students
were
not
interested
in
purdue
pursuing
the
project
she
suggested.
I
email
two
of
the
art
teachers
which
I
did
yesterday.
I
got
a
result
from
a
miss
marmo,
yeah,
marmillo's
and.
J
Does
this
have
to
be
a
tarpon
springs
school,
or
could
it
be
a
county.
J
Well,
I
yeah
I
was.
I
was
thinking
of
the
pinellas
county,
cultural
culture
in
the
arts,
pcca
it's
down
in
gibbs,
but
they're
made
up
of.
D
J
A
A
I
Did
they
give
a
reason,
or
was
it
just?
Did
they
not
have
enough
time
or
another
project.
E
They
did
cite
in
the
email
that
a
lot
of
students
didn't
have
transportation
after
school
to
stay
afterwards.
You
know
to
to
work
on
the
project
and
some
of
them
had
jobs,
but
they
and
so,
but
there
is
the
weekend,
so
that
is.
I
A
H
A
E
Well,
he
was
in
the
meeting
with
me
when
we
originally
went
to
the
school
oh
gosh
couple
weeks
ago,
and
we
met
with
the
students,
and
it
was
just
an
initial
gathering
to
kind
of
tell
them
about
the
project
and
everything.
And
so
then
we
left
it
at
that
that
they
would
convene
and
come
up
with
some
drawings.
You
know
and
then
present
them
to
the
public
art
committee,
and
so
I
followed
up
with
them.
E
You
know
and
that's
the
responses
that
I
got
is
that
nothing
has
come
to
pass
so
not
really
sure
what
to
do
now.
Yeah,
because.
I
A
D
A
I
A
Yeah,
I
think
you're
closer
in
age
to
those
kids
that.
A
A
H
Well,
I
think
everybody
can
look
in
their
packets
and
see
some
of
the
the
work
that
joan
produced
and
and
david
as
well
david's.
H
Looking
for
any
comments
and
feedback
based
on
those.
J
Especially
you
know,
the
the
presentation
is
very
interesting.
I
think
a
lot
of
it,
though,
is
really
comes
under
the
title
of
art
mural,
whereas
the
ones
that
are
just
colored,
you
can
see
the
the
red
one
and
the
yellow
one
and
the
red
one
and
the
blue
one,
and
things
like
that.
That's
doesn't
require
an
artist.
D
J
Know
that
that's
the
thing
about
it,
and
yet
it's
still,
it
still
resonates
and
that's
the
the
point
I've
been
having
about
this
all
along
is
that
it's
it's
taking
something
that
the
city
could
do
I
mean
they
could
maintain
it.
I
mean
one
of
the
things
about
bright
colors
outdoors
in
florida.
J
C
J
Get
the
the
north
side
goes
green,
whether
you
want
it
to
or
not
or
or
whatever
it
is
so.
I
you
know,
I
I
think
it's
interesting
to
see
how
they're
broken
up
into
patterns
and
things
like
that.
That's
pretty
time
consuming
to
do
that,
because
what
what
make?
What
will
make
this
work?
J
B
J
These
structures
have
texture
and
they're
in
the
tape
in
the
world
that
frog
tape
doesn't
do
it
either
it
will
seep
underneath
it
and
then
you'll
have
more
of
a
mess,
because
you
won't
be
able
to
do
that.
The
way
the
technique
you
do
for
making
a
hard
edge
between
two
different
colors,
you
put
the
tape
down,
you
take
a
clear
acrylic
and
you
seal
it
from
the
edge.
All
of
that
would
be
sealed,
and
then
then,
when
you
take
it
off,
you
have
a
little
hard
edge
there.
J
You
that's
the
way
you
can
do
it
now,
that's
very
time
consuming
right,
but
just
going
from
corner
to
corner
it.
You
know,
I
I
think
it
it's
something
that
the
city
painters
could
do
and
I'm
hoping
they
take
enough
care
of
their
crap
to
to
do
it.
Well,
instead
of
just
throwing
it
on
there,
which
I
doubt
they
would
do
anyway,
but
so
you
know,
I
I
think
these
these
visualize
thoughts.
You
know
about
about
how
they
work
just
solid
color.
D
J
So
much
is,
I
think,
a
suggestion
anyway,.
A
Yeah
well,
this
was
this
was
meant
to
be
an
extension
of
what
we
did
at
sisler
field.
You
know
using
you,
know
a
young
artist,
you
know
to
you,
know,
to
come
up
with
a
concept
and
you
know
either
paint
it
or
have
other.
You
know.
Students
or
young
artists
paint
it.
You
know
it.
I
No,
no
me
personally,
I
could
do
it,
but
I'm
not
gonna
do
it.
But,
yes,
I
do
see
when
you
have
a
texture
on
a
wall.
It
is
very
difficult
to
get
those
crisp
lines,
but
you
could
do
a
circular
mural
or
something
like
that,
but
geometry
to
actually
bring
in
the
primary
color
as
well,
because
when
you
see
them
to
where
they
hit
together,
they
almost
it's
close
to
clashing.
J
J
So
so
it
it
was
a
way
of
dealing
with
something
that
doesn't
require
budgeting
out
of
our
budget
and
dealing
with
the
sisler
field
and
and
the
other
things
to
where
there
was
a
commonality
in
a
lot
of
the
athletic
fields
and
whether
whether
city
would
want
to
get
behind
that
or
not
I've
seen
cities
where
they
have.
E
No,
I
was
just
saying
that
it
just
seems,
like
you
know
in
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
the
public
art
committee
is
tasked
to
you
know,
create
public
art.
You
know,
if
we're
talking
about
painting
walls,
that's
something
that
is,
you
know
we
could
make
that
suggestion
that
you
know.
Wouldn't
it
be
neat
if
you
know
the
next
time
that
you
paint
some
of
these
buildings.
E
E
No
because
you
all
need
to
vote
on
what
direction
you
want
to
go
in,
so
I'm
just
you
know
it's
like,
but
in
my
opinion,
knowing
our
departments-
and
you
know
how
short-handed
everybody
is,
and
you
know
it's
like
all
right.
You
know
I'm
not
sure
that
they
need
another.
E
You
know
task
because
you
know
what
they
do
is
tom
function
told
me
that
they
have
it
in
a
rotation
with
the
buildings
when
they
paint
them.
They
have.
You
know
it's
like
okay,
we
did
this
one
this
year
and
so
every
year
they
you
know,
have
an
agenda
of
when
they're
going
to
paint
different
buildings
within
the
city
and,
as
you
know,
the
city
owns
a
lot
of
buildings.
E
E
F
H
Yeah,
just
you
know,
when
I
look
at
these,
you
know
I
understand
the
primary
colors
and
I
think
it's
a
really
kind
of
neat
idea
when
I
think
of
our
our
audience
with
the
kids
at
the
sports
complex.
I
really
like
one
two
three,
because
it
you
know
you
can
identify
whatever
activities
taking
place
there,
but
we
still
have
that
uniformity
of
a
pattern
that
we're
doing
across
all
the
sports
complexes,
and
you
know
I
think
you
can
get
those
primary
colors
intermingled
with
that.
H
A
Right,
I'm
I'm
in
bill's
camp
but
trish,
okay,
yeah.
G
D
I
A
I
I
A
In
a
sense,
well,
you
know
I
was
talking
to
mark
and
in
addition
to
what
diane
said
about
the
you
know,
asking
city
departments
to
you
know
help
with
the
you
know
the
buildings.
A
A
You
know
to
them,
you
know
using
you
know,
you
know
like
a
stencil
or
some
representation
of
balls
helmets,
some
element
of
the
sport
that's
played
on
the
team
so
anyway,
debbie.
G
D
F
I
know
that
we're
dealing
with
kids
and
sports,
and
but
I
would
actually
like
to
see
the
building
in
some
sort
of
a
like
a
floral
concept
or
or
painted
some
sort
of
some
sort
of
green
with
palm
fronds
on
it
or
something
other
than
everything
in
in
primary
colors,
and
I
do
agree
with
you
that
they
conflict
and
it
it
doesn't
it's
it's
not
a
good
look
for
me.
The
way
that
colors
conflict,
one
two
and
three
I
think
are
I
are
I
appreciate
more
but
again
you're
talking
about
straight
line,
edging
and.
D
F
A
D
D
A
J
That
came
out
of
our
budget
as
a
mural
project.
The
the
solid
colors
are
not
a
mural
cup
project,
they're
just
painting
the
building,
but
anything
else
should
be
a
mural
project.
Yes,.
F
J
J
You
know,
but
that's
that's
at
the
commission
and
it's
probably
more
than
a
thousand
dollars
to.
G
J
A
Well,
I
did
a
lot
of
research
with
the
the
company
speed
pro
that
did
the
crystal
applique,
and
you
know
I
was
hoping
that
we
could
use
them
for
the
artist
alley
concept,
which
you
know
got
deep
six
because
of
the
insurance
issues,
but
the
the
company
does
everything
they
prep
the
building.
A
They
they
photograph
the
images.
You
know
they
create
the
the
mural
and
it's
it's
applied.
I
know
the
crystal
mural,
I
think,
was
what
diane
two
days
it
took.
Three
days
tops
yeah,
something
like
that.
So
it's
a
fast
thing,
but
you.
G
A
Really?
Okay,
because
I
know
that
chris
donated
the
image
right.
G
Right,
but
the
more
recent
example
we
have
is
the
artist
who
submitted
all
of
the
fish
motifs
his
proposal
for
the
golf
course
right.
Do
you
remember
it
was
yeah?
It.