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From YouTube: House - Higher Education Subcommittee - January 25, 2022
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House Higher Education Subcommittee House Hearing Room 3
A
Good
afternoon,
everybody
welcome
to
the
higher
education
subcommittee.
Today
is
tuesday
january
the
25th
and
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
call
this
to
order
drop
the
a
little
a
little
early
there
we
go
call
down.
Do
we
have
any
personal
orders
before
we
begin?
A
No
personal
orders
wow
okay!
Well,
in
that
case,
madam
secretary,
would
you
please
take
the
role.
A
Thank
you
for
that.
First
off.
Let's
do
something
real,
quick
housekeeping
wise.
The
second
item
on
the
calendar
today,
hb
1372
by
representative
hulsey,
he's
reached
out
and
we've
rolled
that
one
for
one
week.
So
if
you're
we'll
come
back
for
that
one
down
the
road
back
to
the
top
of
the
calendar,
we've
got
one
bill
now
by
chairman
supiki
house,
bill
1681
and
chairman's
picky.
You
are
recognized,
sir.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
good,
to
see
everybody
here.
My
first
trip
to
the
higher
ed
subcommittee,
so
I'm
in
on
uncharted
grounds.
Here
I
heard
it's
a
very
tough
committee,
so
I'll
be
prepared
to
answer
questions
it
has
to
do
with
a
non-degree
non-credited
course
that
people
are
taking
in
in
right
now
in
our
community
colleges.
C
There's
this
hole,
that's
been
created.
That
is
there's
short
course
work.
It
is
very
intensive
short
work,
short
training.
I
have
dr
lampley
here
from
columbia.
State
community
college
he's
going
to
talk
about
one
such
program
that
we
have,
that
is
an
investment
in
education
short
turnaround
time
high
end
value
for
our
students
in
tennessee.
C
This
is
going
this
bill.
What
it
does
is
it
will
create
a
working
space
for
these
non-degree
non-credit
course
work
that
students
can
get
a
grant
from
the
state
of
tennessee
to
be
able
to
get
admission
into
these
programs.
Like
I
said
I
don't
want
to
rain
on
dr
lampley's
parade
here
short
turnaround.
He'll
talk
about
it
with
you.
It's
a
line
worker
program,
the
people
that
climb
the
telephone
poles
right.
C
Now
we
have
that
program
at
columbia,
state
community
college,
but
they
don't
qualify
for
any
financial
aid
and
so
we're
hoping
that
we
can
get
a
two-year
pilot
program
through
this
committee
through
the
full
committee
and
on
the
finance
and
find
the
necessary
money
to
be
able
to
fund
this
program
as
we
move
forward
and
that,
mr
chairman,
I'd
rather
go
out
of
session
right
now.
If
it's
okay
with
you
to
recognize
dr
lampley.
A
D
D
My
name
is
daryl
lampley
I
serve
as
vice
president
for
columbia,
state
community
college.
I
will
purview
over
the
williamson
campus
and
external
services
external
services,
primarily
as
workforce
and
continuing
education.
D
Okay,
so
I
think
this
is
a
win-win
situation.
We
have
a
gap
in
funding
for
non-credit
training.
That's
highly
needed
by
industry,
so
the
students
would
win.
Industry
would
win
as
overall
be
a
benefit
for
the
state.
As
far
as
helping
fill
some
of
those
voids
we
have
in
the
workforce
in
a
very
quick
manner.
D
The
program
that
we
have
that
we're
talking
about
today
is
10
weeks.
It
comes
with
recognized
credentials
as
far
as
certifications
and
so
forth.
There's
a
tennessee
valley,
public
power
association,
climbing
certificate,
a
class
b,
cdl,
there's
osha
training,
there's
some
national
training
as
far
as
cpr
and
flagger
training.
A
E
D
E
And
if
I
again,
if
I
wanted
to
go
into
that,
that
program
called
the
10
to
12
week
program
how
ballpark,
how
much
does
that
cost
me?
Our
price.
D
All
right,
one
issue:
we've
had
lately.
In
fact,
this
we
were
going
to
have
two
cohorts.
This
spring.
D
It
looks
like
we're
only
going
to
have
to
have
one,
because
there's
only
going
to
be
eight
students,
we
typically
have
18
and
funding
has
been
the
reason
that
most
students
have
given
that
they
they
can't
attend.
We
had
a
waiting
list
of
40
going
in
and
they
just
couldn't
come
up
with
the
fines.
E
And
one
last
follow-up
question:
if
you
don't
mind,
mr
chairman,
how
would
that
compare
that
four
thousand
dollars
to
before
tennessee
promise
if
a
student
were
to
come
to
columbia
state
and
get
there
to
get
an
associate's
degree?
Let's
say
how
much
would
an
associate's
degree
cost.
A
Thank
you
for
that.
We've
got
chairman
white
you're
next,
please.
F
Thank
you,
chairman,
very
interesting,
so
columbia
state
have
y'all
been
offering
this
for
a
while,
or
is
this
a
new
venture?
It's.
D
Fairly
new,
our
first
cohort
was
fall
of
20.
F
Fall
of
20,
yes,
would
columbia
state
be
the
only
school
in
the
state
that
would
offer
such
a
training
at
this
right
now
to.
F
Okay,
okay,
yeah.
I
understand
what
you're
asking
a
number
of
years
ago,
I'm
from
memphis,
and
we
have
a
industry
down
there
that
teaches
people
how
to
grade
lumber
really
the
only
for
when
I
visit
by
the
only
place
in
the
country.
Maybe
the
world
that
really
teaches
people
how
to
grade
lumber
anymore
and
they
get
a
job
soon,
as
they
finish
that
industry
standard.
So
we're
trying
to
work
that
out
and
get
it
more
into
the
system,
but
which
is
a
unique
skill
such
as.
F
D
D
They
provide
an
instructor
that
we
compensate
for
the
climbing
aspects,
there's
a
cdl
portion
and
so
they'll
leave
with
their
cdl
license
if
they
go
through
all
the
right
processes
and
pass
the
test.
D
There's
cpr
training,
osha
training,
specifically
for
the
service
of
electrical
distribution.
Let's
see,
and
then
I
mentioned
the
flagger
training,
I
think.
F
D
D
So
flagger
training
I
mean
we've
all
witnessed
that
if
you
come
by
construction
sites
and
see
the
guys
that
are
motion
you
to
stop
or
go.
Oh.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
want
to
remind
the
bill's
sponsor
that
he
got
a
motion
from
a
democrat
in
here.
He
didn't,
he
didn't
even
look
at
me.
At
least
you
can
do
is
look
at
me,
but
I
I
did
want
to
say
I
guess
the
flagger
has
the
best
job
on
the
site.
I
would.
G
Right,
but
so
you
know,
I
think
you
touched
on
a
little
bit,
but
tell
me
about
the
demand
for
for
this.
This
course.
Is
there
a
big
demand
for
the
course
so.
D
As
far
as
students
go,
we've
had
a
huge
demand
for
the
course
again.
We
keep
a
waiting
list
and
at
one
point
we
had
40
for
the
two
sections
that
we
have
had
schedules
for
this
spring.
So
that's
been
a
little
bit
of
an
issue.
You
know
how
to
deal
with
those
students
and
try
to
keep
them
a
spot
and
so
forth
and
for
them
to
try
to
find
some
funding
there.
There's,
as
representative
piggy
said
there,
there
is
no
funding
from
the
state
or
the
federal
government.
At
this
point.
G
Yeah,
and
do
you
think,
that's
a
sustained
demand
that
will
be
there?
Oh,
I
think
so.
D
G
I
like
actually
like
the
whole
premise
of
of
the
bill,
because
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
you
know
areas
that
are
not
covered
under
through
financial
aid,
that
are
that
are
booming
industries
in
our
state
and
are
booming
opportunities
rather
in
our
state
and
and
obviously
this
sounds
like
one.
So
thank
you
appreciate
it
and.
D
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
I'll
defer.
I
want
to
speak
to
representative
picky
chairman
sophie,
if
I
could,
at
the
appropriate
opportunity.
A
We'll
do
that,
then,
when
we
come
back
in
session
any
other
questions
from
the
members,
I'm
curious
if
we've
gone
from
18
kids
to
a
class
to
eight
kids
to
a
class,
I
hear
you
saying
that
the
man
the
demand
is
out
there
if
they
had
a
financial
impediment
to
getting
into
the
class
are.
Are
you
competing
also?
Are
the
line
companies
doing?
This
is
tva,
offer
any
training
for
these
folks
on
the
job
apprenticeship.
Anything
like.
D
We're
the
only
tv
ppa
certified
program
in
the
state
to
my
knowledge,
so
they
do
not
offer
training
in
the
state
of
tennessee.
Besides
us.
As
far
as
pole,
climbing
in
an
academy,
the
nearest
school
that
I
know
of
that's
certified
is
a
calhoun
state
in
alabama,
so
there's
really
no
competition
there
and
again
it's
the
financial
aspects
that
most
of
these
students
are
facing
coming
into
the
program
and
it's
hard
to
explain
to
parents
that
you
can
go
into
a
different
program
on
the
academic
side
of
the
house
and
tuition
is
covered.
D
D
We're
held
at
the
pinnacle
across
the
nation
is
what
we
do
for
students,
and
I
think
this
is
a
grand
opportunity
to
take
that
to
another
level.
There's
a
lot
of
movement
in
the
federal
government
that
I'm
seeing
that's
going
to
end.
I
think
we're
going
to
finally
have
pale
support
for
these
types
of
programs.
So
that's
going
to
make
it
much
better
for
everybody.
D
A
C
C
H
C
You
recognized
two-year
pilot,
it's
just
to
recognize
that
there
is
money
available
for
these
non-credit
non-degrees.
So
all
these
all
these
people
that
are
falling
through
the
cracks
across
our
cut
our
state
and
education.
Now
these
community
colleges
and
these
tcats
can
now
start
to
step
up
and
say:
hey
here's,
a
pathway
forward.
That's
why
the
fiscal
node
is
1.4
million
dollars.
C
H
Okay,
so
I
think
I
gather
from
what
you're
saying
is
chad
state
other
institutions
can
all
on
board
all
on
board
okay,
and
is
there
a
limit
on?
I
guess
we'll
say
that,
but
like
this
class,
is
there
a
limit
on
number
of
students
who
can
participate
or
the
number
of
categories
as
to
the
types
of
jobs.
C
Thank
you,
mr
that's,
a
great
question,
so
I
think
the
answer
to
that
is
it's
going
to
open
up
the
opportunity
for
all
of
these
tcats
and
community
colleges
to
say:
hey,
we're
going
to
put
together
this
program
in
the
bill.
It
talks
about
where
the
tennessee
board
of
regents
are
going
to
have
to
promulgate
the
rules
on
on
applications
and
how
there's
certain
criteria
that
you
have
to
meet
to
be
able
to
get
into
these
programs
right.
C
I
think
that's
where
the
board
of
regents
comes
in
is
to
make
clear
of,
if
you're,
going
to
have
this
an
emt
at
whatever,
whatever
community
college.
Here's
how
we're
going
to
do
this!
Here's!
How
the
application's
going
to
work,
because
my
gut
feeling
is
the
the
waiting
list.
If
they
have
financial
aid,
the
waiting
list
will
go
away
and
now
nes
and
all
these
power
companies
are
going
to
have
the
opportunity
for
the
line.
C
Workers
and
hospitals
are
going
to
have
the
opportunity
to
hire
these
people
that
are
trained
ready
to
go
to
work
for
them,
and
it's
it's
a
program
that
I
think
we're
going
to
look
at
a
two-year
infancy
of
this.
We'll
get
the
results
in
two
years,
we'll
see
where
it
is
and
we'll
come
back
as
a
general
assembly
and
determine
if
we
want
to
make
this
permanent
and
or
expand
it.
Okay,.
H
As
using
as
an
example,
the
program
at
columbia
state,
if
let's
say,
chat
state,
we
don't
have
a
anyone
who
can
train
people,
is
it
acceptable
or
feasible
to
partner
with
a
private
industry
entity
that
has
persons?
Who
could
do
that?
You
know
I
guess,
under
the
cap
of
what
we're
talking
about.
Thank.
C
You,
mr
chairman,
so
I,
if
I
understand
what
right
we
have
the
columbia
state,
they
pay
for
trainers
to
come
out.
Okay
and
train
these
people
how
to
climb
the
poles.
You
know
safely
right
to
make
sure
they're
trained,
properly
and
columbia
states
partners
with
those
private
entities
to
provide
that
service.
Where
you
don't
have
this
big
initial
investment
of
these
community
colleges,
they
can
partner
with
the
people
that
already
already
know
how
to
do
it
and
bring
them
in
to
teach
these
kids.
H
Okay,
one
last
question:
well,
it's
not
a
question,
but
thank
you
for
afforded
me
the
opportunity
to
be
to
sign
on
to
this
bill.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
thank
you,
sir.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
is
there
is
there
an
opportunity
in
your
legislation
that
would
allow
private
sector
to
contribute
to
this
pilot
by
chance.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
absolutely
am
the
more
the
more
the
merrier
I
know
from
talking
to
people
down
at
columbia,
state
nes,
national
electric
services
is
very
interested
in
getting
as
many
people
as
they
can,
so
they
would
have
a
vested
interest
to
possibly
be
a
partner
in
the
educational
system
to
maybe
help
to
phrase
some
of
the
cost
of
these
students.
G
And,
and
just
so
I'm
clear
so
so
that
that
partnership
would
go
through
the
education
system
in
order
to
partner
in
this
two-year
pilot.
Is
that
what
you're
saying
or
does
your
legislation
speak
to
that
that
at
least
leaves
it
open
for
private
partnership,
private
public
partnership
in
it?
Thank
you.
C
Mr
chairman,
yes,
I
believe
what
the
legislation
does
is.
Tbr
can
start
to
look
at
that
with
help
from
the
community
colleges,
because
they're
going
to
have
to
hear
from
roane
state.
Hey
we
hear
about
this,
this
grant
program.
We
want
to
institute
this
program
and
we
want
to
work
with
this
provider,
and
I
think
tbr
comes
in
here
to
provide
the
referee
to
make
sure
everything's
all
level
across
the
board.
F
C
E
E
C
Not
at
all,
okay,
I
think
what
we
do
is
because
this
is
so
specific
right.
It's
non-degree,
non-credit,
there's
already
normal,
there's
already
numerous
thresholds
to
be
able
to
to
to
able
to
use
promise
or
to
be
used
to
reconnect
money.
I
don't
think
we
need
to
reinvent
the
wheel
there.
I
think
it's
that
that
system
is
set
up
very
well.
E
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
to
find
a
way
to
to
fund
this
program,
if
you
so
the
amount
of
students
who
are
who
are
currently
interested
in
this
or
who
would
be.
Who
would
be
enrolling
in
it?
If
you
had
that
same
amount
of
students
who
were
suddenly
interested
in
welding
or
collision
repair,
and
we
had
this
influx
of
students
into
those
programs,
it
would
be
funded
and
that
they
could
they
could
right
now
go
to
those
programs
for
free,
and
so
you
have
a
skill,
comparable,
comparable
program
that
produces
very
impressive
wages.
E
C
A
Any
other
questions
from
the
committee.
I've
got
one
that
just
hit
me:
do
you
have
to
have
a
high
school
education,
a
high
school
diploma,
to
get
into
this
program
so
for
our
particular
program.
C
Yes,
okay,
mr
chairman,
please
so
I
would
say
possibly
at
the
program
with
line
worker.
Yes,
you
would
but
there's
probably
programs
out
there,
where
you
may
or
may
not
that's
going
to
be
where
tbr
comes
in.
To
set
the
requirements
to
gain
access
to
these
ged
would
obviously
probably
be
equate
okay.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
so
what
about?
What
about
high
schoolers
that
are
taking?
You
know,
courses,
and
you
know
there
may
be
vocational
courses
and
and
and
some
I'm
sure
there
are
some
partnerships
between
some
of
these
community
colleges
in
these
high
schools.
Also,
will
they
be
able
to
access
that
also.
C
In
theory,
yes,
I
think
you're
gonna
probably
see
some
legislation
coming
through
this
committee
and
other
committees
about
about
dual
enrollment
and
opportunities
to
expand
that
having
community
colleges
reach
down
more
and
take
more
of
a
presence
with
tcats
and
community
colleges
in
our
high
schools
to
get
more
credits
quicker
for
these
kids.
But
answer
your
questions
to
answer.
I
would,
I
would
suspect
yes,
thank
you,
sir.
A
All
right,
thank
you
for
that.
Seeing
no
further
questions,
let's
go
ahead
and
madam
clerk
be
ready
for
the
voice
vote
here.
All
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye,
those
opposed
no
the
eyes
have
it.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
you
are
in
good
good
form
today
with
your
questioning
thank.
A
You
heading
to
full
committee.
Thank
you
seeing
nothing
else
on
the
calendar.
I
do
have
one
announcement
I'd
like
to
recognize
today
it
seems
we
have
a
new
president
of
tcat
nashville,
mr
nathan,
garrett,
are
you
in
the
room
with
us?
Oh
hello,
there
and
he's
going
to
be
more
of
a
fixture
around
here.
I
would
assume
going
forward
all
right.