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House Finance, Ways, & Means Committee- April 12, 2022- House Hearing Room 1
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Thank
you.
Do
we
have
any
personal
orders
or
announcements
today,
seeing
none?
We
have
nine
bills
on
our
calendar
and
we
have
several
expansion
requests.
We
will
have
those
hearings
immediately.
Following
the
regular
calendar
item
number
one
is
house
bill
1852
by
chairman
boyd,
chairman
boyd.
You
have
a
motion
in
a
second
you're
recognized.
C
C
This
is
kind
of
a
hybrid
military
program,
and
so
what
it
would
allow
is
members
that
have
served
during
certain
periods
of
armed
conflict
after
1975
are
eligible
to
buy
up
to
four
years
if
they
have
service
during
that
period
of
armed
conflict,
it
is
not
paid
for
by
the
state
and
local
government
like
before
on
this
new
program.
It
would
require
them
to
pay
nine
percent
of
their
current
salary
for
each
year
that
they
want
to
buy.
Madam
chair,
lady
I'll,
take
any
questions
that
the
committee
has.
D
You,
chairman
chairman,
thank
you
for
bringing
the
bill.
I
know
this
has
been
a
labor
of
love
for
you
that
ever
since
you
got
to
the
legislature,
and
anything
we
could
do
for
our
veterans
is
always
a
vote
well
taken
down
here.
So
I
just
want
to
thank
you
as
a
sponsor
of
the
bill.
Your
consensus
back
home,
we're
very
lucky
to
have
you
down
here,
and
I
know
every
veteran
in
the
state
of
tennessee
will
certainly
appreciate
a
bill
like
this.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
it
sir.
A
Are
there
questions
other
comments?
Sting
then
you
heard
the
sponsors
very
thorough
explanation.
I
would
just
add
to
leader
lambert's
comments.
This
has
been
a
work
in
progress
through
a
number
of
committees.
We've
heard
this
and
the
chairman
chairman
boyd,
has
been
very
receptive
to
suggestions
for
changes
and
ways
to
work
this
through
the
system.
So
I
appreciate
his
willingness
to
work
to
get
it
done
without
objection.
We
are
voting
on
house
bill
1852
all
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes.
E
F
Well,
this
bill
has
a
little
bit
of
history.
It
was
first
voted
for
and
passed
in
2019,
but
there
were
a
couple
of
items
left
out.
It
was
hurt
again
in
2020,
but
never
made
it
through
the
senate
senate.
So
here
we
are
again
today
in
2022,
trying
to
get
these
two
little
items
on
this
bill,
so
it
can
complete
its
journey.
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Heard
the
explanation:
are
there
questions
seeing
none
we're
voting
on
house
on
the
amendment
016
991,
all
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed.
You
guys
have
it
that
amendment
is
attached.
That
brings
us
to
amendment
number
four.
Also
by
chairman
host
call
and
chairman.
I
have
zero
one,
seven,
one,
nine
three.
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H
You
this
has
to
do
with
physicians,
that
come
to
the
united
states
and
our
foreign
graduates
and
but
they're
here
for
short-term
learning
experience,
and
this
bill
allows
the
board
of
medical
examiners
to
issue
an
eligible
physician
of
a
medical
graduate
from
foreign
country
that
has
been
verified
and
recognized
and
approved
by
the
ama,
and
they
are
given
a
short
term.
90-Day
training
license,
so
they
can
function
in
their
capacity
in
a
clinical
setting.
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A
Item
number
five
on
our
calendar
is
house
bill
751
by
chairman
moody,
and
we
have
a
request
to
roll
that
one
week.
So
without
objection
house
bill
751
is
rolled
one
week
next
on
our
calendar
is
house
bill
1914
by
representative
eldridge.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
representative
eldridge
you're
recognized.
Thank.
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Thank
you,
madam
chair,
really
all
it
does
is
I
wanted
to
delete
the
section
and
part
a
under
one
that
just
said
online.
I
thought
that
was
too
broad
and
it's
continuing
to
allow
credit
cards,
debit
cards
and
mobile
cash
apps
to
be
used
for
bail.
So
I
think
it.
I've
talked
with
the
sponsor
and
I
think
everyone's
on
the
same
page.
A
All
right
you've
heard
the
sponsor's
exposure
on
the
amendment.
Are
there
questions
or
comments,
seeing
none
we're
voting
on
drafting
code
zero,
one,
six,
eight
zero!
Six!
All
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
guys
have
it
the
drafting
code
zero
one.
Six,
eight
zero!
Six
is
attached
now
rebs
and
thompson.
If
you'd
like
to
tell
us
about
your
bill
as
amended.
I
Okay,
it's
really
it's
pretty
much
the
same
as
it
was
that
we
just
took
out
those
two
words
that
you
know
we
were
really
you
know.
Representative
gillespie
was
not
comfortable
with,
and
I
can
appreciate
that
too,
but
this
you
know
the
current
code
says
that
bail
must
be
paid
to
the
clerk
of
the
cordonian
cash
and
this
simply
updates
a
requirement
by
adding
commonly
used
and
verifiable
methods
of
payment
by
adding
credit
cards,
debit
cards
and
other
in
cash.
Apps
is
methods
of
payment.
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So
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second.
There
is
an
amendment
on
this
bill
drafting
code:
zero
one,
six,
eight
one,
seven!
Is
there
a
motion
on
the
amendment?
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
so
representative
weaver.
If
you
would
tell
us
what
the
amendment
does,
because
I
believe
we've
seen
this
bill
before.
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Yes,
ma'am,
you
have
and
thank
you
and
I
I'm
my
pleasure
to
tell
you
what
it
does
so.
This
authorized
private
authorizes
private,
non-commercial
vehicle
owners
and
lycees
to
leasees
to
renew
their
registration
plates
for
a
20-month
period
rather
than
a
current
12
months,
and
so,
as
a
has
a
little
fee
to
offset
the
revenue
otherwise
generated
by
that
of
a
12
month.
Registration
and
be
this
would
begin
january.
J
1
2023
it
require
requires
a
two-year
plate
to
be
issued
upon
payment
of
the
registration
fee
and
a
fee
equal
to
the
cost
of
designing
and
manufacturing
the
plates.
The
fna
are
going
to
try
to
figure
out
how
they're
going
to
do
that
if
they
need
to
design
a
plate
or
maybe
just
do
a
tag
with
the
year
on
the
tag
that's
up
to
them,
but
it
authorizes
an
owner
or
leasi
to
elect
the
issuance
of
such
license
plate
or
tag,
including
the
language
and
god
we
trust
that's
all
it
does.
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L
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
joel.
You
said
it's
a
specialty
plate
and
normally,
when
we
do
specialty
plates
like
this,
we
will
have
a
minimum
purchase
amount
where
this
special
plate
would
have
to
get
like
a
thousand
plates.
Would
this
require
a
minimum
number
of
plates
to
be
issued
in
order
to
have
this
specialty
plate
only.
M
I
Leader,
camper
generally,
those
minimum
order
requirements-
those
are
when
we
have
the
specialty
plates-
are
new
earmark
specialty
plates
tied
to
nonprofit
receiving
funds
other
specialty
plates
like
military
plates.
We
don't
have
those
minimum
order
requirements
and
I
do
not
believe
this
has
a
minimum
order
requirement
as
well.
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Simple
would
be
the
most
logical
answer.
I
agree
with
you
and
that's
how
what
I
suggested
to
them
to
do.
But
again
I
haven't
gotten
a
definite
answer
from
them.
Yet
on
that,
so
I
may
I
ask
maya
madam
chair,
may
I
make
a
comment
too
certainly
so
in
regards
to
permissive,
which
the
representative
asked,
I
understand
it's
permissive,
the
local
body,
not
the
individual,
but
I
was
told
that
the
local
body
like
the
commissioners
can
decide
if
they
want
to
do
this
in
their
county
or
not,
and
that's
not
true
right.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chairman.
That
was
going
to
be
my
question.
I
thought
your
intent
was
permissive
for
the
local
body
not
for
the
person
could
and
that's
why
I
voted
for
it
to
make
it
permissive
for
the
local
body
to
decide
whether
they
want
to
do
this,
so
they
could
decide
the
impact
on
their
number
of
employees.
The
costs
and
such
not
to
the
person.
Is
there
any
way
that
we
could
maybe
roll
this
to
correct
that
language.
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All
right
first,
we
need
to
do
the
question
on
the
amendment.
Please
wait
a
minute
good
question
on
the
amendment.
We
are
voting
on
drafting
code,
016
983,
all
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
that
amendment
is
attached.
You've
heard
the
explanation
of
the
bill
later
camper.
Did
you
have
a
question.
L
I
did
madam
chair.
Thank
you
leader.
I
asked
you
this
in
budget
so,
but
I
just
want
to
ask
again
for
the
record
that
this
bill
is
not
going
to
put
any
federal
funding
in
jeopardy
and
it's
kind
of
in
line
with
what
they're
trying
to
do
anyway,
with
having
people
back
in
the
workforce,
is
that
right,
leader,
lambert.
D
I've
worked
with
multiple
interest
interested
parties.
I
work
with
the
department,
in
fact,
two
different
departments
and
I've
been
assured
that
there
is
nothing
in
this
bill
that
were
any
way
in
danger,
federal
funding.
It
is
what
they
are
currently
doing.
It
places
in
statute
their
current
practices,
and
so
their
practice
is.
D
If
someone
comes
in
and
needs
temporary
assistance,
then
part
of
that
assistance
is
to
make
sure
they
get
a
job
or
get
job
training,
and
that
is
what
the
federal
program
originally
was
set
up
to
do
back
in,
I
believe
the
90s,
and
that
is
exactly
what
we
should
continue
to
do
here
in
the
state
of
tennessee,
to
ensure
again
that
these
folks
don't
need
that
temporary
assistance.
So
I've
been
assured
by
all
involved
that
this
does
not
endanger
federal
funding.
In
fact,
it
matches
with
the
spirit
of
the
federal
law.
A
N
Ma'am.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you.
Members
of
the
committee.
The
department
of
health
has
five
expansions
all
federally
funded
to
present
to
you
today.
The
first
expansion
that
we'll
discuss
is
related
to
pediatric
mental
mental
health
care
access
for
adolescents
and
children.
This
is
around
800
thousand
dollars.
Over
a
two-year
period,
funding
has
been
provided
by
the
federal
department
of
health
and
human
services
to
expand
the
availability
of
access
to
mental
health
resources
to
children
and
adolescents.
N
As
you
can
imagine,
resources
in
this
particular
area
are
slim
during
normal
times,
and
the
kobe
pandemic
has
kind
of
exacerbated
some
of
the
issues
that
children
and
adolescents
are
facing.
So
the
department
plans
to
use
these
funds
to
contract
with
third
parties
to
help
train
primary
care,
physicians
in
assessing
and
addressing
some
mild
to
moderate
behavioral
problems,
and
with
that
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
on
this
particular
one.
G
Thank
you
director.
I
just
had
a
quick
question.
I
noticed
on
the
breakdown
of
the
two
fy
22
23,
that
of
this
appropriation
of
what
is
that
778
thousand
dollars
over
two
years
that
250
000
of
it
is
going
to
professional
services
and
dues
instead
of
the
grants
and
subsidies
that
represents
about
oh
500,
000
or
600
thousand
dollars.
I
guess
is
this
typical
disbursement
of
professional
services
and
dues
that
we're
only
spending
of
say,
60
percent
of
the
money
on
the
actual
grants.
N
That's
a
great
question
really,
I
think
when
we
look
at
the
grants
and
the
professional
services
we're
paying
for
services
in
both
categories,
one
is
for
training
services
with
the
american
academy
of
pediatrics
that'll,
probably
the
correct.
That's
the
grant
portion
of
it.
Another
thing
that
we're
adding
into
this
is
a
kind
of
a
tele
health
teleconference
psychiatric
service
for
for
primary
care.
Physicians,
so
that
they'll
have
access
to
that.
So
on
that
professional
services
line
we're
paying
for
that
service.
G
N
A
N
Ma'am,
this
money
is
from
the
american
rescue
plan.
It's
for
the
state
operated
federally
qualified
health
care
health
centers.
This
is
about
9.2
million
dollars
over
the
next
couple
of
years,
the
funding
was
provided
to
the
state,
to,
I
guess,
implement
mitigation
strategies
for
coven
19
or
expand
infrastructure
for
health
care
services.
N
The
state
operates
fqhcs
in
gibson
and
stuart
counties,
and
those
particular
fqhcs
will
be
purchasing
mobile
clinics
to
be
able
to
take
services
out
to
people
in
the
community,
along
with
some
equipment
and
and
some
other
needs
that
they
have
at
the
at
the
local
sites.
The
other
fqhc
is
our
upper
cumberland
fqhc
they'll
be
using
the
funds
to
help
hire
some
contracted
staff,
some
minor
renovation
and
construction
projects
for
some
of
their
needs,
and
then
some
of
the
equipment
and
supplies
that
they
need
to
help
promote
telehealth
and
tele-dentistry.
L
Camper.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
for
these
for
the
information
question
on
the
mobile
clinics
that
will
be
going
out.
Will
they
be
fully
staffed
and
all
the
services
that
they
will
will
provide
be
as
if
you're
walking
in
a
brick
and
mortar
building
will
have
all
the
services
and
everything
available
to
the
people
that
they're
serving
at.
N
N
Yes,
ma'am.
Our
next
item
is
from
the
american
rescue
plan
as
well.
It's
a
cdc,
epidemio,
epidemiology
and
lab
capacity
grant.
We
actually
have
four
grants
tied
into
this.
It's
the
same
funding
source,
it's
21.2
million
dollars
over
the
next
couple
of
years
and
we're
taking
these
funds
and
addressing
four
major
issues.
One
we're
supporting
efforts
to
mitigate
the
transmission
of
covet
19
among
people
experiencing
homelessness.
N
N
One
is
just
in
healthcare
facilities
in
general,
we're
going
to
provide
assessments,
support
and
mitigation
strategies
for
healthcare
facilities,
and
some
of
that
would
include
equipment
and
laboratory
supplies
that
are
needed
to
help
test
for
cobia
19
and
then
the
other
kind
of
piece
of
that
is
really
we're
going
to
try
to
put
in
some
infrastructure
for
long-term
care
facilities
to
support
some
of
their
mitigation
efforts
in
the
future.
So
with
that,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
any
questions
about
that
expansion.
H
N
The
the
total
grant
is
about
400
000,
and
I
don't
know
off
the
top
of
my
head
about
how
much
of
that
is
dedicated
to
the
media
campaign.
But
what
I
understand
is
there's
poster
space
that
we
would
use
to
advertise.
You
know
about
being
safe
or
taking
precautions
with
kelvin
and
then
a
lot
of
times.
I
think
clear
channel
runs
the
music
and
the
the
speakers
in
there
and
we
would
probably
had
some
have
some
ads
about
covet
awareness
on
that.
G
Thank
you,
my
apologies.
I
lost
my
place
cheerleading
on
the
breakdown
of
this.
It
note
I
noticed
in
9708
you
have
professional
services
to
a
third
party
of
the
21
million
dollars.
It
looks
like
11
million
dollars
is
going
to
this
one
entity.
Tell
me
what
that
professional
services
party
does.
This
is
not
to
pay
for
ads.
I
suppose.
N
N
One
major
portion
of
this
is
going
to
be
some
of
the
work
that
we
do
with
training
for
long-term
care
facilities,
we're
going
to
host
trainings
here
in
nashville,
and
then
we're
also
going
to
hire
third
parties
to
go
out
regionally
and
discuss
covent
mitigation
strategies
with
long-term
care
facilities.
So
that
would
be
one
big
component
of
that
professional
service
line
and
if
you
would
like
for
me
to
get
a
more
specific
breakdown,
I
can
I
can
do
that
and
respond
to
the
committee.
N
G
You
deputy
I,
I
do
think
that
that
would
be
extremely
valuable
as
we
look
at
you
know
these
funds
as
they
go
go
out.
Hopefully,
as
we
know,
our
long-term
long-term
health
care
facilities
have
have
become
subject
matter,
experts
in
these
fields
and
so
spending
another
21
million
dollars
to
further
educate
them.
I
think
would
be
important
for
us
to
know
where
that
11
million
dollars
is
going
sure.
Thank
you.
A
N
A
A
K
K
N
Next
up,
our
fourth
expansion
is
from
the
cares
act.
It's
related
to
our
cdc
emerging
infections
program.
It's
about
1.1
million
over
a
couple
of
years
in
this
grant.
There's
some
supply
costs
in
here.
Some
laboratory
costs
related
to
it,
but
the
grant
primarily
supports
our
data
collection
and
sharing
agreements
with
the
cdc,
I
think
in
the
in
the
explanation.
It's
a
there's,
a
term
covet
net,
which
is
just
the
the
system
that
we
use
to
help
report
along
with
nine
other
states,
coveted
case
numbers
and
trends,
and
that
sort
of
thing.
N
Our
our
final
expansion
request
is
related
to
the
american
rescue
plan.
It's
maternal
infant
and
early
childhood
home
visiting
grant
money
it's
about
3.4
million
dollars
over
a
two-year
period.
There
are
no
permanent
positions
with
this
and
our
fun.
The
funding
was
provided
by
the
federal
government
to
our
current
maternal
infant
and
early
childhood
home,
visiting
grant
recipients
to
address
the
needs
of
expectant
mothers
or
expectant
parents
and
families
with
young
children.
N
Through
the
copic
crisis,
the
department
will
partner
with
our
current
grantees
that
receive
that
particular
funding
source
to
ensure
that
families
receive
the
the
supplies
and
things
that
they
need
and
we're
talking
about,
diapers
groceries
in
those
kind
of
emergency
supplies.
So
that's
that's
the
the
basis
of
the
request.
A
F
F
A
O
Yes,
ma'am
on
behalf
of
commissioner
hilton.
She
is
ill
and
was
unable
to
make
it
today.
My
name
is
bo
irvin,
I'm
the
chief
financial
officer
for
the
tennessee
department
of
corrections.
This
budget
expansion
request
is
pretty
straightforward.
Madam
chair
lady
and
members,
the
department
of
corrections
is
requesting
a
budget
expansion
of
288
800
dollars
for
fiscal
year
23.
O
in
2019.
The
department
was
awarded
a
swift,
certain
and
fair
grant
by
the
u.s
department
of
justice
office
of
justice
programs,
bureau
of
justice
assistance.
The
scf
grant
initially
expired
in
september
of
2021,
and
we
did
receive
an
expansion,
an
extension
that
expires
in
september,
30
2022
and
we're
in
the
process
of
submitting
another
grant
extension
that
will
go
through
september
30
2023.
O
But
this
expansion
request
is
strictly
for
288
thousand
eight
hundred
dollars
to
be
available
for
use.
In
fy23
january
of
2017,
the
department
developed
and
implemented
a
graduated
sanctions
matrix
as
part
of
the
governor's
public
safety
act
of
2016..
The
matrix
was
developed
with
evidence-based
research
and
standardized
probation
and
pro
officer
responses
to
technical
violations.
O
The
scf
grant
provides
the
department
an
opportunity
to
enhance
the
current
matrix
for
substance
use
population
under
the
correctional
control
of
our
department.
We
experience
challenges
primarily
so
associated
with
covet
19,
as
well
as
staffing
issues
since
the
grant
was
awarded.
This
resulted
in
delays
in
completing
the
action
plan,
the
full
budget
and
other
required
deliverables.
A
M
Madam
chairman,
members
of
committee,
james
dunn,
executive
director
with
tcad,
and
I
have
with
me-
miss
gail
wilson,
our
fiscal
director.
We
have
brought
to
you
today
an
expansion
for
five
positions.
It's
all
federal
dollars
to
the
tune
of
seven
hundred
thousand.
This
is
from
the
american
rescue
plan
to
assist
with,
cares,
act
funding.
P
M
M
We
have
a
another
position,
similar
that
assists
with
other
various
covenant
team
funded
programs.
We
have
an
executive
administrative
assistant,
one
and
two
and
legal
assistant.
These
folks
will
be
assisting
with
funding
under
older
americans,
act,
funding
and
covert
funding,
assisting
with
contracts
and
things
of
that
nature
and
our
state
long-term
care.
Ombudsman,
that's
sort
of
the
scope
of
these
positions.
Okay,.
B
Q
Mohamed
casey
assistant,
commissioner
of
finance
and
budget,
and
I'm
here
to
present
the
expansion
request
for
the
promoting
safe
and
stable
families,
and
it's
1.7
million
dollars
that
we
received.
This
is
part
of
an
existing
grant
that
the
department
receive
every
year.
But
this
is
an
expansion
that
we
receive
from
the
feds
part
of
the
consolidated
act
of
2021
and
the
depart.
Q
The
this
funds
will
be
used
in
22
and
23,
and
this
funds
basically
is
used
for
family
support
services
for
children
in
custody
and
also
is
used
for
children
at
risk
of
coming
to
custody.
The
proposal
for
the
use
of
this
grant
is
we
planning
to
use
it
in
two
major
items.
One
of
them
is
for
daycare
for
children
at
risk,
and
the
second
part
would
be
used
for
recruitment
of
foster
parents
which
currently
the
department
having
a
problem
of
recruiting,
foster
parents.
L
L
Leader
camper,
thank
you
ma'am
chair,
but
you
have
some
programs
that,
if
you're
investigating
someone
or
family-
and
you
see
that
there
needs
to
be
some
programs
put
in
place
for
the
child
that
may
or
the
family
right
parents
that
they
can
enter
into
that
as
a
result
of
it.
It'll
help
the
families
and
then
the
child
will
not
come
into
custody.
Q
H
Q
H
Q
Q
Yeah
the
currently
actually,
the
governor,
has
added
to
the
budget
for
adoption.
They
added
daycare
for
adoption
and
also
the
governor
added
for
custodial
children,
for
so
that
that
is
the
the
only
part
that
is,
we
have
not
had
a
full
funding
for
is
the
children
at
risk,
which
is
a
non-custodial
program.
P
P
Q
A
E
These
are
positions
that
will
help
us
administer
the
new
and
expanded
federal
programs
that
we've
been
tasked
with
over
the
past
two
years.
The
cost
is
fully
covered
by
those
federal
dollars,
so
there's
no
impact
on
the
state's
budget
and
because
all
of
these
positions
directly
linked
to
one
federal
program
or
another,
and
many
of
them
will
expire
over
the
next
two
to
five
years.
Our
intention
is
that
the
positions
go
away
as
the
federal
programs
do.
E
We
administer
a
number
of
federal
programs.
Now,
on
the
state's
behalf,
we've
talked
about
a
number
of
these
in
in
earlier
meetings.
A
number
of
them
were
very
significantly
increased.
Over
the
last
couple
years,
we
have
10
times
as
much
money
for
emergency
solutions
grants
four
times
as
much
for
home
11
times
as
much
for
weatherization,
and
on
top
of
that,
we
were
given
a
number
of
very
large
new
programs
that
we
had
to
stand
up
from
scratch,
including
the
big
rent,
relief
and
homeowner
assistance
programs.
E
E
We
have
23
of
those
positions
right
now
and
over
the
course
of
the
summer,
we'll
need
to
reclassify
another
eight
to
ten
short-term
temporaries
and
we
won't
easily
be
able
to
absorb
that
without
cannibalizing
other
aspects
of
our
business,
to
the
detriment
of
the
work
that,
frankly,
all
chartered
us
to
do.
In
the
first
place.
E
I
do
want
to
emphasize
that
before
we
come
to
the
u
and
the
governor
asking
for
this
number
of
additional
positions,
we've
taken
a
number
of
other
management
measures
to
manage
this
additional
workload.
We've
on
a
number
of
occasions
when
people
resigned
or
retired
reclassified
positions
to
put
those
to
work
elsewhere,
we
subcontracted
the
contract
administration
work
that
we
do
for
hud
that
freed
up
about
15
positions.
E
We
anticipate
a
further
reduction
in
force
of
maybe
a
half
dozen
positions
where
we
can
repurpose
those
positions
for
more
urgently
needed
purposes,
and
we
continue
and
have
reorganized
some
business
units
and
streamline
processes
to
work
more
efficiently
over
time.
We
will
put
these
positions
to
work
very
effectively
in
the
program
and
support
divisions,
most
impacted
by
the
extra
work,
while
they're
with
us
they'll
be
extremely
helpful
to
us
in
administering
these
programs,
but
also
making
sure
that
we
do
our
core
business
and
program
responsibilities.
H
E
Well,
my
plan
is
when
the
federal
program
money
goes
away,
those
positions
go
away
and
the
program
itself
goes
away.
I
mean
most
of
these
were
intended
to
be
short-term
programs
relief
for
people
who
lost
the
ability
to
pay
their
rent
because
of
a
covid
related
situation,
same
thing
for
for
mortgage
holders.
E
Some
of
these
will
stick
around
longer.
The
new
household
water
program
is
a
new
permanent
edition,
so
that'll
be
with
us.
We
anticipate
the
expansion
of
the
voucher
program,
will
be
more
or
less
permanent,
so
that
will
be
with
us,
but
the
bulk
of
these
positions
are
dedicated
to
the
programs
that
we
had
to
stand
up
in
a
hurry
that
were
high
volume,
rent
relief,
homeowner
assistance
and
when
those
programs
end
that's
the
end
of
the
program
and
those
positions
will
go.
H
E
G
You,
the
federal
government,
does
have
many
temporary
long-term
programs
director
perry
thanks
for
coming
today.
I
just
thought
I'd.
Follow
up,
has
nothing
to
do
with
your
expansion
request
today,
but
I
noticed
when
this
first
time
you've
been
back
since
your
budget
hearing
earlier,
and
I
think,
if
I
remember
correctly,
there
was
almost
three
billion
dollars.
Maybe
that
thda
got
in
federal
funding
or
you
had
a
you
had
like
a
billion
dollars
or
700
million
dollars.
G
E
E
We
subcontract
out
for
a
lot
of
the
intake
work,
but
that
still
takes
a
significant
number
of
people
doing
our
end
of
that
work
and
we've
backfilled
with
different
positions
and
relied
on
temporary
help.
To
do
that,
you
know
we
have
been
juggling
playing
the
hand
we
were
dealt
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
leaving
other
positions
unfilled,
so
we
could
bring
in
long-term
temporaries
to
address
these
federal
programs,
but
there's
well.
You
know
home
another
50
million
30
million
for
esg.
E
G
You
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
also
didn't
say
thank
you
for
your
support
for
habitat
for
humanity
in
our
state.
As
a
member
of
the
board
there,
it
doesn't
matter
if
you're
john
gillespie's
district
and
in
west
tennessee
or
john
crawford's
district
in
upper
east
tennessee,
what
you
guys
are
doing
all
across
the
state
is
fantastic,
and
so
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that
you
do.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir.
F
Commissioner,
you
know
I
live
in
rutherford
county,
many
of
us,
I
think
sam
whitson,
williamson,
charlie
bombs
and
rough
county.
You
know
you're
seeing
a
housing
just
crisis,
as
we
all
know
I
mean
it
doesn't
affect.
I
think
some
of
these
lawmakers
like
it
affects
us.
Where
do
you
see
things
in
two
to
five
years,
because
I
mean
it,
it
alarms
me.
I
see
us
doing
this
titan
stadium
and
these
bonds
and
we
don't
have
a
workforce,
don't
have
housing.
I
hear
it
from
the
interns.
I
hear
it
from
the
las.
F
E
Well,
we
just
got
to
build
more
housing
and
we
need
to
build
it,
particularly
in
fast
growing
areas.
I
mean
that's
you're
not
going
to
take
pressure
off
rising
rents
or
home
prices
unless
we
we
make
it
easier
to
build
housing,
particularly
in
entry-level
price
points.
We're
still
doing
real
well
up
in
east
tennessee,
we're
doing
better
in
memphis,
but
our
middle
tennessee
business.
It
is
very
hard
for
a
first-time
home
buyer
in
a
thda
bracket
to
easily
find
a
home
and-
and
that's
been
reflected
in
our
numbers
multi-family.
E
You
know
we
only
have
so
many
resources,
but
we
we
are
putting
those
to
work,
but
we
we
will.
We
have
had
to
allocate
a
large
chunk
of
this
year's
housing
tax
credits
to
help
earlier
tax
credit
awards
from
the
last
two
years,
who
were
suddenly
hit
with
enormous
cost
increases
and
weren't
able
to
move
forward
with
their
deals.
E
B
E
Well,
it's
been
enormously
helpful.
We
are
well
below
our
our
our
bond
cap.
Our
debt
limit.
Pardon
me.
We
have
about
2.8
billion
on
our
books.
We
will
add
to
that
slightly
over
the
next
several
years,
but
we
are
then
shifting
our
principal
means
of
financing
mortgages
to
more
of
a
secondary
market
execution
without
going
into
the
weeds.
L
L
They
were
called
they've,
been
waiting
a
couple
of
months.
They
haven't
heard
back
from
anyone,
so
I
do
think
it
was
a
heavy
lift
with
respect
to
the
work
that
needs
to
be
done,
and
I
I
agree.
We
need
to
have
the
staffing
in
place
because
the
citizens
are
in
need
of
the
services
and
in
need
of
what
you're
offering,
but
if
you
don't
have
the
staff
to
process
it
I
mean
it
frustrates
them.
I
mean
I've
gotten
several
calls
from
people
asking.
Can
you
find
out
the
status
of
my
application?
Yes,
ma'am.
E
L
P
A
Seeing
no
other
questions
executive
director,
I
I
would
like
to
note
for
the
record
we
heard
you
say
it,
but
I'm
going
to
say
it
again.
These
31
positions
when
the
federal
funding
goes
away,
whether
that
is
temporary
for
two
years,
five
years
or
10,
but
at
the
end
of
that
time,
when
the
funding
is
gone,
these
positions
will
no
longer
be
on
the
state
payroll.