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House Finance, Ways, & Means Committee- March 29, 2022- House Hearing Room 1
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Thank
you,
ma'am
chair.
I
have
with
me
today
a
young
lady
from
my
district
who's
shattering
me.
She
came
to
see
how
hard
I
work.
I
assume
and
haven't
been
able
to
impress
her
yet,
but
she's
here
miss
bethany
miller.
Would
you
stand
I'd
like
you
all
to
help
me
make
a
welcome
today
from
my
district.
Thank
you.
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B
You
chair,
lady,
I
have
with
me
today
the
president
of
the
republicans
of
kingsport
club,
also
known
as
my
wife.
Would
you
please
stand
up.
A
Any
any
other
personal
orders
seeing
none.
We
do
have
20
bills
on
our
calendar
today,
but
before
we
get
to
that,
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
interest
in
a
document
that
just
came
out
on
the
appropriations
amendments
and
we
are
going
to
go
out
of
session
and
recognize
commissioners
deputy
governor
ely
and
ask
him
to
walk
us
through
the
additional.
The
amendments
to
the
budget.
D
D
Did
you
know
I've
got
our
assistant
budget
office,
alex
schuman
with
us,
and
our
our
great
budget
director
dave
thurman
with
us
here
today
as
well.
I'm
butch
ely,
and
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
here
with
this
group
and-
and
I
really
appreciate
the
the
strong
collaboration
that
that
we
have
shared
over
this
year
of
putting
this
budget
together.
D
D
Over
the
last
two
years,
as
you
all
will
recall,
we've
talked
a
lot
about
a
multi-year
planning
process,
a
multi-year
budget
process,
and
I
I
think
that
what
you're
seeing
now
is
a
is
a
positive
result
of
the
work
that
that
was
done
with
this
committee
and
this
body
over
over
the
last
two
years.
We
certainly,
I
think
today,
with
what
we
discussed
with
the
amendment
with
the
original
budget,
is
certainly
a
long
view
to
get
us
to
where
we
set
out
two
years
ago.
D
It's
a
balanced
budget
and
it
represents
strategic
investments
for
the
entire
state.
D
Let
me
take
us
back
real
quick
to
where
we
were
in
february
when
we
talked
about
the
the
guiding
principles
and
when
we,
you
know,
this
really
is
a
year-long
process,
as,
as
you
all
know,
we
start
on
this
budget
last
july
and
the
principles
that
the
governor
laid
out
with
me
at
the
beginning
of
that
process
are
still
very
much
applied
today
and
we're
particularly
proud
of
the
position
that
we're
able
to
be
in
today.
D
That's
exactly
what
this
budget
before
you
does.
This
this
bar
chart
shows
the
amount
of
new
dollars
that
are
available
in
this
budget
and
fully
71
percent
of
those
new
allocations
in
this
budget
are
for
one-time
expenditures.
This
budget
puts
in
the
best
position
that
we
can
be
in
to
address
whatever
certainty.
Uncertainty
may
come
our
way,
knowing
the
caution
that
that
we
took
in
presenting
the
proposed
budget
in
february.
This
is
what's
available
now
in
the
budget
amendment
a
couple
of
highlights.
D
We,
if
you
look
over
in
the
far
right
hand,
side
the
254
million
number
169
million
we
have.
We
have
recognized
as
re
reverting
reversion
dollars.
We
also
pulled
back
the
100
million
that
we've
discussed
before
the
100
million
that
we
did
not
utilize
from
last
year
in
the
broadband
funds.
D
In
our
fsag
group,
financial
stimulus
accountability
group
allocated
500
million,
as
I
think
you
will
know
from
that
fund
as
well,
that
that
we
can
do
more
more
than
what
was
originally
anticipated,
with
100
million.
D
So
the
budget
that
we
have
before
you
today
continues
to
come
in
the
same
spirit
as
that
original
budget,
limiting
the
recurring
growth
cost
and
focusing
on
non-recurring
investments.
So,
let's
look
at
some
of
the
highlights
that
are
in
this
amendment.
One
of
our
goals
is
to
increase
commerce
through
the
78
public
use
airports.
D
There
are
five,
our
big
five
airports
of
the
passenger
airports
and
73
general
aviation
airports,
which
together
contribute
11
of
our
state's
gdp,
bringing
in
around
a
billion
dollars
in
tax
revenue
and
support
over
220
000
jobs.
D
D
D
Next,
tax
relief
for
our
citizens
through
a
one-month
grocery
tax
holiday
governor
feels,
like
the
best
best
way
that
we
can
make
to
to
help
tennesseans
is
by
allowing
them
to
keep
more
of
their
hard-earned
money,
so
we're
proposing
a
one-month
tax
holiday
for
all
groceries.
This
includes
both
the
state
and
local
taxes.
D
Our
cost
estimate
here
of
the
80
million,
includes
us
reimbursing
the
locals
for
any
lost
revenue
in
that
next
talk
a
little
bit
about
our
opportunity
to
partner
with
the
secretary
of
state
on
voter
verified
paper,
audit
trails.
D
You'll,
see
in
your
schedule
that
that
that
all
of
you
should
have
received
an
overview
list
of
departments
partnering
with
our
several
external
entities.
The
goal
of
these
partnerships
certainly
is
to
further
our
agenda
without
growing
government
more.
We
know
that
oftentimes
these
entities
are,
are
very
efficient
and
help
help
us
to
achieve
the
goals
that
we're
trying
to
achieve.
D
I
know
that
this
body
is
familiar
with
direct
grants
in
the
past,
we're
trying
to
do
more
evolution
toward
kind
of
more
accountability
and
and
more
transparency
with
these
grants
by
by
pushing
these
dollars
into
departments
to
work
with
these
in
partnership
with
these
entities,
to
make
sure
that
we're
fulfilling
the
long-term
priorities
of
those
departments
and
working
together
to
achieve
the
goals
that
we
can
it's
our
desire
to
to
partner
with
these
entities
and
be
able
to
demonstrate
that
progress
that
we're
achieving
over
time.
D
Next
we're
proposing
an
investment
supporting
not
just
our
tennessee
titans
but
an
opportunity
to
attract
super
bowls
final
fours,
other
national
and
international
sporting
events
other
performances
year
round.
That
will
allow
us
to
have
many
activities
there
in
the
stadium
that
are
not
currently
available
because
of
not
being
enclosed.
D
D
The
revenue
from
these
bonds
will
help
to
to
cover
the
debt
service,
and
this
will
also
be
a
demonstration
of
our
full
commitment
to
this
investment.
D
D
Next
is
the
final
proposed
budget
figures
that
include
added
to
the
the
budget
amendment
that
we're
presenting
today.
So
here
are
the
final
figures
for
that,
as
you
can
see,
we
continue
to
be
intentional
to
not
grow
the
recurring
budget
too
fast,
you'll
notice,
here
the
imbalance
between
recurring
and
non-recurring,
and
that
is
the
same
thing
that
we
presented
back
in
february,
where
we
wanted
to
be
safe
and
and
spend
a
significant
amount
of
recurring
revenue
dollars
on
non-recurring
investments
and
that's
exactly
what
this
does.
D
Revenues
have
certainly
performed
better
as
we're
all
thankful
for
than
we
expected,
but
we
want
to
be
strategic,
knowing
that
many
of
these
dollars
will
become
available
as
we
go
into
next
year's
budget
process,
because
we
know
that
a
lot
of
those
revenues
originally
were
from
one-time
purchases
of
non-durable
goods,
and
so
we
will
go
into
next
year's
budgeted
budget
process
with
a
cushion
next
you'll
see
the
pie
chart
that
you
are
all
familiar
with
this.
D
This
shows,
together
with
the
original
proposed
budget,
all
the
categories
of
the
cost
increases
and
we're
proud
of
the
diverse
and
the
prudent
nature
that
these
investments
represent
for
all
of
tennessee
and
now
you'll
see.
Finally,
the
comparison
of
total
budget
year
over
year
from
22
to
23..
D
It's
important
to
note
I'll
point
out.
We
talked
a
little
bit
about
this
back
in
february,
but
you'll
see
the
20.
Some
odd
amount,
19.8
right
now
in
our
23
recommended
budget
from
federal
that
is
certainly
more
than
it
has
been
in
recent
years
prior
to
the
pandemic.
We
were
reporting
around
14
billion
annually
in
federal
dollars,
so
significantly
up
from
that
standpoint,
we
do
expect
federal
funding
to
begin
to
recede
back
to
normal
levels.
D
As
as
we
continue
on
and
as
you
know,
the
the
financial
stimulus
accountability
group
fsag
has
continued
to
be
focused
on
those
federal
investments,
so
I'll
kind
of
I'll
kind
of
end.
D
With
with
how
we
began
our
conversation,
this
this
budget
is
certainly
prudent
in
values,
long-term
investments,
but
it
also
allows
us
to
go
back
and
and
get
back
toward
the
pretend
pandemic
priorities
that
were
so
important
more
than
ever,
we're
continuing
to
use
evidence
based
in
in
ensuring
that
what
we're
doing
works
and
continuing
on
focusing
on
outcomes,
and
so
again
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
work
with
each
of
you
in
this
committee.
D
We
certainly
now
will
open
it
up
for
questions.
If
we
don't
know
the
answer,
we'll
get
it
to
you
and
certainly
appreciate
all
that
you
do
chair.
A
You
know
under
the
gun,
and
time
is
of
the
essence
and
all
these
things,
but
it
and
it's
a
it's
a
huge
undertaking
and
you've
done
a
remarkable
job,
and
I
want
to
just
personally
express
my
appreciation
for
the
conversations
that
we've
had
during
this
process
to
make
sure
that
we
are
while
we
might
not
be
exactly
on
the
same
page.
We
at
least
kind
of
know,
the
pages
that
that
we
are
on.
So,
I
think,
that's
very
helpful
to
the
process
and
we
do
have
a
number
of
questions,
so
I
will
get
underway.
E
Thank
you,
chairman
and
deputy
governor.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
presentation,
and
I
know
it's
been
a
long
haul.
Since
early
last
year,
when
you
began
this
about
the
time
we
finished
up
session,
you
and
your
team
start
working
on
next
year's
budget.
So
again,
thank
you
for
all
the
hard
work
that's
gone
into
this.
I
wanted
to
highlight
one
thing
that
I
think
is
extremely
important
to
recognize
and
that's
the
78
million
dollars
in
there
for
general
aviation
airports.
That's
a
program!
E
That
level
of
investment
is
something
that
they
oak
and
count
on
in
years
to
come
as
at
least
somewhere
near
there,
because
it
just
allows
them
to
build
a
really
robust
airport
system
throughout
our
state,
and
that's
not
just
the
large
airports
but
the
small
airports
as
well,
and
so
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
in
the
budget
as
well
as
so
many
other
things
that
I'm
sure
others
will
identify.
E
But
overall,
I'm
sure
there's
plenty
more
for
us
to
work
on
over
the
next
few
weeks,
but
it
it
appears
in
a
year
that
we
have
underspent
our
budget
in
years
past
to
create
a
surplus
that
we're
using
a
lot
of
this
for
one-time
funds,
and
I
think
that
is
very
wise.
So
just
wanted
to
commend
you
on
all
of
your
hard
work.
Look
forward
to
working
with
you
over
the
next
few
weeks
or,
however
long
it
takes
for
us
to
get
a
good
budget
across
the
finish
line.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you
leader.
One.
One
of
the
things
that
we've
tried
to
do
in
this
budget
is
is
is
to
ensure
in
working
with
tdot,
that
the
general
aviation
airports
had
the
funds
that
they
need
to
be
able
to
maintain
our
our
level
of
service
at
our
general
aviation
airports
up
to
a
standard
up
to
the
standard
that
they're
looking
to
be
able
to
to
furnish
year-over-year,
and
so
this
this
this
budget
allows
them
to
do
that.
D
In
some
years
it
hasn't
hasn't
been
as
much
and
they've
built
up
some
deferred
maintenance,
and
this
allows
them
to
keep
track
with
with
where
they're
going,
and
so
I
think
it
will
be
very
useful
and
be
put
to
good
work.
So.
E
E
I
know
that
that's
something
we
have
looked
at
continue
to
look
at
and
even
in
good
budget
years,
I
think,
is
a
very
healthy
thing
to
look
at
both
the
reserve
accounts
and
the
reversionary
numbers
to
ensure
that
we
are
spending
the
people's
money
wisely,
and
so,
if
these
departments
are
able
to
operate
at
a
leaner
level,
if
they're
able
to
spend
less
money
than
is
allocated
to
them,
I'm
glad
to
see
that
that
is
something
that
we
are
recognizing.
E
Even
in
the
amendment
I
mean
between
when
the
original
proposed
budget
came
out
in
this.
Obviously
what
we
do
with
all
of
these
decisions
belongs
to
this
body,
but
I
again
appreciate
your
guidance
on
this,
but
I
did
want
to
highlight
that
additional
169
000,
plus
there
169
million
plus
there
in
reversions,
because
I
think
that
is
a
healthy
exercise
for
us
to
kenya
to
go
down,
and
please
continue
to
do
that
as
well
anywhere.
We
can
identify
places
that
we
can
cut,
which
is
in
essence,
what
that
is.
A
And
deputy
governor
to
go
back
to
the
airports,
we
had
some
conversation
earlier,
the
78
million,
I
believe
12
or
13
million
of
that
is
designated
for
the
for
general
aviation.
But
in
addition
to
that,
I
believe
there
are
other
monies
that
will
be
flowing
from
other
sources.
Could
you
speak
to
that
just
so?
Everyone
has
a
clear
idea
of
of
the
total
amount
of
investment
that
we're
putting
into
these
entities.
Yeah.
D
I
appreciate
you
bringing
that
out,
so
there
there's
been
a
target
of
50
million
dollars
that
that
tdot
has
set
as
a
target
based
on
the
current
condition.
They
did
a
condition
assessment
of
all
those
general
aviation
airports
and
came
back
with
a
number
of
about
50
million
that
they
need
on
an
annual
basis
to
keep
up
with
with
the
current
condition
and
so
in
with
with
funds
that
they
are
getting
either
through
the
gas
tax
revenues.
D
So.
What
we
did
this
year
is
to
make
sure
that
that,
through
the
different
various
funding
sources
that
they
have
federal
as
as
well
as
the
jet
fuel
tax,
then
we
closed
that
gap
with
this,
with
this
12
million
dollars
of
funding
to
be
able
to
make
sure
that
they
got
to
that
49
50
million
dollar
level-
and
this
this
also,
as
I
mentioned,
will
allow
the
larger
airports
to
do
projects
that
they
can
embark
upon
to
help
from
an
infrastructure
standpoint.
A
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
everybody
understands
it's
not
just
the
12
to
13
million
dollars
that
will
be
going
to
general
aviation
and,
as
I
live
in
a
community
served
by
one
of
those,
the
big
five
airports.
I
know
how
critically
important
it
is.
There's
there's
a
lot
of
interest
in
people
flying
in
getting
into
tennessee
in
all
parts
of
the
state,
and
I
think
we
have
an
opportunity
to
increase.
A
F
Thank
you,
madam
chairman,
and
governor
good,
seeing
you
in
that
new
position
too.
I
have
just
two
questions
regarding
the
governor's
food
tax
holiday
that
holds
local
governments.
Harmless.
How
can
local
governments
know
exactly
how
much
revenue
they
will
lose
under
this,
so
they
can
plan
their
budget
for
next
year.
D
The
intent,
the
intent
and
they've
chimed
in
with
me
here
and
add
to
whatever
we're
thinking
on
this,
but
the
intent
is
that
they
that
they
don't
lose
revenue.
So
what
we're
doing
is
putting
enough
dollars
in
this
to
cover
whatever
their
portion
is,
I
mean
so
what
they
would
normally
get
that
that
citizens
wouldn't
be
paying
will
be
we'll
be
supplementing
back
to
them
those
dollars
so
that
they
don't
have
any
net
negative.
As
a
result
of
this
is
that
fair.
G
Yes,
so
we're
scoring
this
at
80
million
dollar
loss
revenue-
39
of
it
is
loss
of
state
state
dollars.
Is
that
right,
49,
I'm
sorry
is,
is
the
loss
of
state
dollars
and
the
31
million
dollars
is
is
to
hold
the
locals
harmless
from
that
from
that
holiday?
Okay,.
F
D
So
my
my
understanding
of
this
is
is
that
it's
a
result
of
the
feds
kind
of
moving
moving
the
goal
post,
and
so
this
is.
This
is
only
if
tanf
funds
can't
be
used
for
for
that,
and
so
you
want
to
add
to
that.
G
So
dhs
is
in
direct
negotiations
with
with
the
feds
on
the
qualifications
and
be
able
to
use
tanf
dollars.
We
just
don't
have
confirmation
yet.
So
what
we
want
to
do
is
make
sure
that
you
know
until
that,
until
we
get
confirmation
that
we
have
a
way
to
fund
that
third
party
evaluator
contract,
okay
and
just
one.
A
All
right,
I
think
this
is
your
second
one
more,
but
go
ahead.
Chairman.
F
A
F
D
Enrollment
class,
thank
you.
Yes,
let
me
just
respond
to
that
briefly,
because
the
amount
is
smaller
in
this
budget
than
it
was
last
year
and
we've
had
conversations
with
chancellor
titins
and
in
tbr
there
there's
not
to
be
any
reduction
in
this
program.
As
a
result
of
of
this
reduction
here,
she's
got
the
funds.
They've
got
the
funds
to
be
able
to
continue
that
program
as
as
it's
been
designated
already,
and
so
we
don't
anticipate
any
reduction
as
a
result
of
this.
These
dollars,
yeah.
A
And
I
just
want
to
reiterate
when
we're
talking
about
the
food
tax
holiday.
This
is
just
like
what
we
did
last
year
and
for
all
the
local
governments
out
there
that
might
be
watching
or
have
concerns.
Just
as
you
lost
no
money
last
year,
you
would
lose
no
money
under
this
plan,
the
state
would
reimburse
the
locals,
for
whatever
appropriate
expenses
would
be
they
would
have
otherwise
have
collected.
So
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
absolutely
clear
to
everyone
chairman
zachary.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
commissioner
team
good
to
see
you
guys
question
regarding
the
titan
stadium
and
the
500
million
dollars
in
bonds.
It
was
just
announced
I
think
yesterday
or
even
this
morning
that
buffalo
and
the
state
of
new
york
have
reached
an
agreement.
G
The
state
of
new
york
is
doing
600
million,
the
nfl
is
doing
a
200
million
dollar
loan
and
then
the
bills
are
contributing
350
million,
and
then
I
looked
at
some
other
things
related
to
allegiant,
which
is
the
raiders
stadium
so
far,
which
is
where
the
rams
and
chargers
play
just
talking
about
the
various
contributions,
municipality,
public
money
and
then
private
money
and
development
that
goes
around.
That
can
you
provide,
or
do
you
have
more
details
that
you
can
provide
around
that
500
million?
What
what
an
nfl
nfl
loan
may
look
like.
G
What
is
the
contribution
to
the
titans
and
then
what?
What's
the
overall
return
on
investment
for
tennesseans
kind
of,
like
kind
of
like
the
smokey
stadium
for
last
year?
It
was
clear
that
we
contributed
this
president
boy
or
youtube.
President
boyd
was
bringing
a
certain
amount
of
money,
create
three
thousand
jobs:
hundred
million
dollar
economic
impact.
Do
you
have
that
kind
of
breakdown
and
that
kind
of
impact
and
the
commitments
for
the
stadium.
D
Well,
as
you
as,
as
you
know
from
I
guess,
from
reading
some
of
the
news
articles
and
so
forth
that
a
lot
of
this
has
been
transpiring
over
over
the
last
few
weeks.
Originally
last
year,
as
as
this
body
acted,
there
were
a
number
of
changes
in
the
in
the
agreement
with
with
the
sports
authority
and
the
titans
last
year
in
the
amount
of
money
that
they're
able
to
keep
there
in
the
stadium
as
a
result
of
the
sales
tax.
D
That
comes
off
of
that,
and
so
so
so
we
envision
and
our
intent
is
to
utilize
those
new
tax
dollars
that
that
would
go
off
to
pay
the
bond
in
deadness
over
time
to
be
able
to
work
work
off
that
bond.
So
that's
that
funding
will
be
in
place
is
in
place
already,
and
so,
as
that
project
develops
and
begins,
collecting
taxes
and
we'll
get
our
share
of
that
and
and
put
those
towards
the
payment
of
that
debt
service
for
those
bonds.
G
D
D
If
you
will
and
then
we'll
see
what
metropolitan
government
of
nashville
does
and
and
and
then
the
titans
will
have
to
step
into
the
remainder
of
that
to
fulfill
whatever
they
end
up
doing
as
a
result
in
in
in
the
actual
stadium
itself.
So
they
will
be
the
ones
that
will
end
up
determining
to
some
degree
what
that
ends
up
being
from
a
total
cost
standpoint.
H
G
And
so
then
around
the
stadium
will
it
be
similar?
Is
there
the
expectation
that
it
will
be
kind
of
again
back
to
the
smoky
stadium,
where
it
was
somewhat
like
wrigleyville,
where
it
was
going
to
bring
retail
and
bring
thousands
of
jobs?
Is
the
expectation
around
the
new
stadium?
There
would
be
a
for
a
lack
of
better
term
a
wrigleyville
built
around
the
stadium
that
would
create
jobs
and
drive.
An
economic
impact
is
that
am
I
understanding
that
correctly.
D
I
think
generally,
so
I
want
to
be
careful
not
to
speak
for
the
titans,
because
miners
I
mean
under
the
the
reality
is:
is
they
they
have
the
lease
or
the
ability,
development
rights
for
that
with
their
relationship
with
the
sports
authority?
D
So
they'll
they'll
end
up
being
the
ones
that
determine
what
that
actually
will
look
like
from
the
standpoint
of
the
mix
between
a
hotel
or
retail
or
or
restaurants,
and
that
kind
of
thing.
But
we
certainly
envision-
and
I
know
from
their
conversations
with
us
that
we
we
certainly
are
counting
on
the
ability
to
have
those
that
kind
of
development
that
will
generate
the
sales
tax
revenue.
D
That
will
go
in
to
be
able
to
make
this
investment
positive
for
tennessee
over
time,
and
so
that's
certainly
what
they
have
kind
of
identified
to
us
of
their
plan
and
that's
what
we
believe
will
make
it
a
good
investment
for
tennessee.
Thank.
A
As
I
understand
this
plan,
you
would
continue
to
have
the
titans
games
and
whatever
else
might
be
happening
in
the
stadium
while
the
new
stadium
is
completed,
so
you
you,
don't
have
that
loss
of
revenue
either
for
the
city
or
the
state
or
the
titans
for
that
matter.
So
that's
an
another
advantage
to
the
new
stadium
chairman
hawk.
I
D
State,
that's
a
great
q,
great
question,
so
our
bonded
indebtedness
now
is
only
about
one
and
a
half
percent
of
our
total,
our
our
total
revenues
and
so
very
low.
I
it's
it's
either
one
of
the
lowest
in
the
country,
not
the
lowest
in
the
country.
I
think
adding
this
additional
amount
of
bond
will
only
increase
that
still
to
below
two
percent
of
our
of
our
bonding
and
deadness.
D
So
it's
it's,
not
a
big
needle
mover
at
all,
it'll
actually
be
somewhere
in
the
1.7
or
eight,
I
think
percent
range.
So
I
I
think
it's
it's
something
that
we
can
do
that
will
not
impact
us
negatively
whatsoever
with
our
rating
agencies,
we'll
we'll
still
maintain
the
aaa
bond
rating
that
we
have
and
enjoy,
and
this
will
not
negatively
impact
us
whatsoever.
I
I
So
if
I
could
go
on
to
another
issue
on
the
on
the
overview
on
the
the
little
schedule
that
you've
got
for
us
item
number
seven
tobacco
master
settlement
agreement-
I
see
we've
got
an
increase
there
and
can
somebody
give
me
an
idea
of
where
we
are
with
the
basque
tobacco
master
settlement
agreement,
the
maturity
of
those
dollars?
How
much
longer
can
we
expect
those
dollars?
I
G
So
the
update
to
the
fy
22
collections
is
is
based
on
information
provided
to
us
by
the
attorney
general's
office,
since
they
are
the
point
person
working
with
all
the
other
states
to
on
the
master
settlement
agreement,
and
so
this
this
is
money.
That's
going
to
be
in
hand,
I
think.
Originally,
when
the
settlement
began,
there
was
supposed
to
be
an
end
date
and
I
think
now
that
they've
moved
beyond
that.
I
think
this
is
you
know.
H
H
I
think
that's
important
for
us
to
reappropriate
those
funds
that
were
held
back
last
year.
I
would
have
loved
to
have
seen
that
100
million
go
to
the
cities
and
counties
that
we
held
back
to,
but
anyway
I
appreciate
all
the
work
you're
doing
so.
What
I
didn't
see
in
the
amendment
was
the
excess
debt
service
fund
so
like
last
year
at
the
closing
of
2021,
there
was
a
transfer
of
maybe
about
54
million
dollars,
and
so
the
year
before
may
have
been
about
31.
H
If
my
memory
serves
me
correctly
and
I'm
wondering,
do
you
have
an
estimate
of
how
much
at
close
of
22
30
june
30
22
that
might
come
from
the
dead
service
fund,
you'll.
G
Yeah,
so
that's
something
that
we
look
at
every
year.
It's
part
of
our
process
to
update
we
developed
the
governor's
budget
each
year
at
this
point,
we're
not
projecting
a
reversion
or
transfer.
It's
not
really.
It's
a
transfer
from
the
debt
service
back
to
general
fund
at
the
end
of
the
year,
mainly
because
we're
going
to
use
that
to
retire
some
outstanding
debt
old
debt-
that's
not
been
issued.
I
just
close
out
some
bonds,
so
we'll
use
that
to
it
to
cover
that.
H
And
so,
by
doing
that,
we
expect
that
that
would
help
with
our
tremendous
rating
that
we
continue
to
have
with
the
rating
agencies,
and
is
that
why
we're
making
this
decision
to
do
that
or
why
are
we
deciding
to
to
apply
it
that
way?
This
year.
G
That's
right:
it's
part
of
kind
of
our
evaluation
of
the
of
the
debt
program.
I
guess
and
that
we
look
at
debt.
That's
been
issued,
authorized
but
never
issued.
Maybe
it's
for
a
project
that
didn't
need
the
acquire
mountain,
so
a
lot
of
small
pieces
there,
and
so
this
is
just.
I
would
consider
it
kind
of
a
clean
up
process
to
clean
up
some
of
the
old
outstanding
authorized,
but
unissued
debt.
H
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
later
campbell.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
also.
I
saw
that
there's
and
I
remember
there's
about
350
that
will
be
going
to
tcrs.
You
know
we.
We
we
have
a
great
treasure.
He
does
a
great
job.
Our
state
is
probably
number
one
from
how
he's
managed
the
retirement
fund,
we're
probably
at
about
actuarially
about
91
percent
in
terms
of
our
ability
to
pay
our
debt.
H
So
is
there
a
reason
that
we're
not
using
those
funds
to
maybe
go
toward
increasing
teacher
salary,
or
you
know
maybe
staff
salaries,
or
why
are
we
choosing
to
put
this
350
million
into
tcrs.
D
Yeah,
that's
a
good
question
leader.
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
at
the
outset
that
we
talked
about
was
being
cautious
on
recurring,
being
using
recurring
funds
for
for
those
type
of
expenses,
and
I
think
at
least
in
this
year
with
these,
with
these
funds
that
have
come
in
from,
I
guess,
over
and
above
the
revenue
projections
that
we
thought
we
might
have
that.
D
I
certainly
feel
like
in
everything
that
we
heard
actually
right
in
this
room
from
the
funding
board.
Presentations
back
in
november
told
us
that
we
needed
to
be
very
cautious
and
that
the
the
the
estimates
for
growth
would
be
down
in
23
compared
to
what
we
are
seeing
now
in
22,
and
so
that
is
basically
what
makes
up
a
lot
of
that
1.3
in
in
recurring
funds
that
are
being
used
for
non-recurring.
D
And
so
I
I
feel
like
we
need
to
have
a
level
set
year
to
really
understand
what
our
revenues
are
going
to
look
like
in
a
normal
back
to
normal
setting,
because
so
much
revenue
that
we
have
now
or
in
over
the
last
really
two
budget
cycles.
When
you
look
at
the
federal
dollars
that
have
come
in
in
the
spending
that
has
been
done,
resulting
in
the
revenues
that
we
now
have,
I
don't
think
we
can
depend
upon.
D
I
don't
think
we
can
depend
upon
them,
and-
and
it's
not
just
me
that
certainly
the
economists
have
agreed
that
those
those
recurring
funds
may
not
be
there
next
year
and
until
we
see
kind
of
a
level
set
of
that,
we
just
think
it's
prudent
to
invest
in
those
in
those
items
that
will
protect
us
in
the
future
from
having
to
come
up
with
dollars
on
on
those
things.
Eventually,
it'll
save
us
in
the
recurring
dollars,
and
there
is
a
recurring
savings
that
we'll
get
as
a
result
of
that
investment.
H
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
governor,
for
you
know
all
you've
been
doing
you
know
over
the
last
year
with
you
know,
I
know
it's
it's
demanding
with
all
of
the
revenue
we
have
and
it's
you
know,
I'm.
H
H
A
A
We
have
an
obligation
to
the
people
who
have
worked
for
the
state,
worked
as
teachers,
whatever
roles
and
have
put
their
money
into
tcrs
and
are
expecting
to
be
able
to
have
that
those
dollars
when
they
retire.
So
I
think
it's.
This
is
a
prudent
move
to
make
sure
that
we
can
meet
those
obligations
again
without
having
to
maybe
in
in
years
that,
when
we're
not
quite
so,
flush
have
to
go
back
and
add
money
to
keep
the
the
fund
solvent.
A
E
I'm
chairman
and
just
kind
of
going
through
the
list
a
little
bit
one
of
the
things
I
was
remiss
and
asking
about
earlier
item
number
28
under
higher
education,
reorganizing,
the
current
technical
grants
capital
outlay.
I
know
that
was
something
there
was
some
money
allocated
for
tcats
there's
some
additional
money
for
cte.
I
know
there's
750
million
dollars
in
one-time
funds
for
cte.
E
D
A
good
good
question
there
leader,
so
it
doesn't
change
anything.
So
we
we
put
the
750
million
five
500
in
ct
k
through
12
as
one
time
for
equipment
and
renovations.
That's
still
that's
still
going
to
those
schools
as
planned.
D
These
dollars
were
actually
split
out
in
the
original
budget,
showing
just
to
show
you
exactly
where
they
were
going,
which
schools
which
tcats
that
they
would
go
toward
and
now
all
we're
doing
is
taking
it
from
there
technically
and
putting
it
over
into
capital,
so
we're
just
combining
that
200
million.
D
E
D
Apply
for
that
or
something
listed,
those
dollars
will
go
to
those
those
projects
as
designated,
but
we're
just
simply
now
we're
not
de-designating
it
we're
just
putting
it
in
a
lump
sum
over
in
the
capital
budget,
so
it'll
still
be
used
in
the
same
manner.
E
D
E
That
exact
question,
if
I
didn't
ask
it
out
loud,
no
that's
a
good
question
and
then
here's
another
one
so
on
the
original
200
million
dollars
that
was
to
assist
with
schools
that
were
in
a
flood
plain.
So
I
know
there
have
been
different
lists
floated
around
of
of
which
schools
follow
floodplain,
how
that's
going
to
be
organized.
How
does
that
stand
in
the
amendment?
What
amount
and
what
process
are
we
looking
at
yeah.
D
So
that's
also
good
good
to
point
out
to
make
sure,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
systems
following
that
we
had
we
had
originally
I
mean
this
this
you
know
it
came
about
fairly
quickly.
We
started
looking
at
it
after
the
waverly
flood
and
recognized
that
there
were
a
number
of
schools
in
a
similar
position.
D
The
initial
work
was
done
in
identifying
those
working
with
tema
and
department
of
education
working
together.
They
identified
14
originally
as
we
as
we
continued
to
do
research.
D
They
they
learned
that
there
were
actually
more
schools
that
had
some
portion
of
their
property
in
a
in
a
flood
plain,
so
they
did
a
deeper
dive
and
so
actually
two
of
those
original
14
schools
dropped
out.
But
there
were
two
more
schools
that
that
went
on
to
that
list,
so
there's
still
14
and
they
categorized
those
in
high
need
and-
and
those
are
the
ones
that
will
get
this
original
200
million
dollars.
D
We'll
continue
to
do
more
research
and
analysis
on
the
other
schools
that
are
not
in
that
high
risk
category,
but
may
have
some
of
their
property
in
in
the
flood
plain
and
we'll
determine
over.
You
know
over
the
next
year,
whether
or
not
there
needs
to
be
any
further
further
funds
put
into
that,
but
right
now
this
is
for
the
14
high
risk
schools
that
were
identified
and
the
200
million
will
go
for
that
purpose.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chairman.
Thank
you,
deputy
commissioner,
wait
a
minute.
I
got
that
wrong.
That's
all
right,
deputy
governor
commissioner.
I
had
some
questions
from
from
some
constituents
and
I
just
wanted
to
try
to
figure
out
how
to
phrase
this
well
and
don't
and
I'll
try
to
be
sensitive,
but
with
like
the
looming
war,
we're
having
that
we're
having
that's
happening
in
ukraine
and
the
hyperinflation,
that's
going
on
I've
gotten
a
little
criticism,
a
little
pushback
to
say
you
know
it
looks
like
y'all.
Are
spending
money
like
washington?
J
Can
you
help
us
with
some
talking
points?
I
I
know
we
pride
ourselves
on
being
physically
conservative,
but
especially,
I
guess,
with
a
new
500
million
dollars
going
to
the
titans,
the
budget
seemed
expanded
quite
a
bit,
and,
and
now
it's
just
kind
of
hard
to
to
tolerate.
As
far
as
far
as
feeling
like
it's
fiscally
conservative,
do
you
have
any
suggestions
on
how
to
combat
that?
I
I
know
we're
in
good
shape,
but
I
see
a
lot
of
things
that
we
really
want
versus
things
that
we
might
need
and
be
necessity.
D
Absolutely
so
thank
you
for
that
question,
and
I
I
would.
I
would
say
that
I
can't
imagine
how
we
would
how
we
would
have
a
more
fiscally
conservative
budget
than
the
one
that
that
we're
proposing
here
and
the
reason
is
I
I
over
over
the
entire
history
of
of
our
state.
D
I
don't
think
up
until
last
year,
we
we
never
didn't,
spend
all
of
the
recurring
revenue
estimate
dollars
that
were
out
there,
whatever,
whatever
additional
revenues
we
had,
that
were
labeled
recurring
in
a
given
year,
we
budgeted
all
of
those
dollars
to
be
spent.
Last
year
we
had
234
million
dollars
that
were
recurring
dollars
that
could
have
been
spent
on
programs
or
growing
government.
D
We
spent
those
gov.
We
spent
those
dollars
on
non-recurring
items
this
year
with
the
additional
revenues
that
have
come
in
really
because
of
the
prudence
that
we've
shown
in
the
last
two
years
through
that
process,
in
in
in
in
being
conservative
in
how
we
invested,
we
put
now
of
the
eight
billion
or
so
new
dollars
that
that
have
flown
into
our
float
into
our
coffers.
D
We
we
spent
5.7
billion
of
that
in
non-recurring
spending
items,
and
so
I
I
think
those
dollars
are
being
put
in
places
that
will
that
will
pay
dividend
in
out
years.
For
instance,
a
lot
of
that
is
in
capital
investment
in
in
capital
projects.
D
We've
got
several
billion
dollars
in
deferred
maintenance
of
buildings
that
are
part
of
our
state
assets
that
continue
to
deteriorate,
and
a
lot
of
these
dollars
are
going
into
renovating
those
buildings
or
bringing
them
up
to
standard,
and
all
that's
going
to
do
is
save
us
dollars
in
the
out
years,
because
all
of
that
work
would
have
to
be
done
at
some
point
and
the
more
the
more
deferred
maintenance
not
doing
something
doesn't
save
us
money.
D
It
cost
us
money
in
those
out
years
so
so
because
of
the
tension
that
we
put
on
investing
in
capital
in
investing
in
deferred
maintenance
and
holding
back
that
recurring
spending
having
1.3
billion
dollars
of
recurring
money
that
we're
not
going
out
the
door
with
it's
going
to
be
sitting
in
our
bank
account
next
year
when
we
start
the
budget
process.
So
I
would,
I
would
say
it
is
a
very
conservative
budget.
J
Yes,
thank
you
chairs,
so
so
with
that,
we
think
we're
confident
that
if
interest
rates
continue
to
rise
and
we
take
a
major
hit
and
we
have
a
economic
slowdown,
are
we
gonna?
I
I
just
fear
that
we're
gonna
wish
we
could
go
back
in
time
and
not
and
have
that
extra
billion
dollars
sitting
in
the
rainy
day
fund
to
absorb
some
some
additional
costs
that
are
coming
down,
the
that
are
inevitable.
But
I
appreciate
your
explanation.
You
did
a
good
job
with
that
and
I
feel
much
more
confident
now,
after.
D
That
kind
of
the
converse
of
the
question,
just
before
I
mean
the
investment
in
in
in
the
pension
fund,
the
investment
in
the
opeb
fund
of
650
million
between
the
two,
the
two
funds
is,
is
another
way
I
mean
that
could
have
been
put
in
rainy
day,
but
but
we
chose
to
put
it
in
those
funds
because
of
the
things
chair
chairman
hazelwood
said,
so
so
that's
another
way
of
spending
those
dollars
that
will
pay
dividends
in
the
future.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair
lady,
three
quick
questions
going
to
the
new
stadium,
the
500
million.
Again
this
will
be
a
new
constructed
stadium.
D
My
understanding,
sir,
is
that
it
it'll
eventually
be
torn
down,
so
this
would
this
would
take
the
place.
The
the
new
stadium
would
take
the
place
of
that.
B
Okay.
Thank
you
next
question.
Yesterday
the
appropriations
committee
held
our
I
guess
hearing
and
I
understand
it
was
about
200
million
dollars
in
in
in
in
requests.
B
Would
you
know
if
anything
that
the
governor
has
presented,
or
you
all
are
presenting
today,
would
would
that
include
any
of
the
legislative
requests?
If
would
you.
B
D
That's
a
good
question
you're
asking
make
sure
I
understand
of
the
22.7
or
the
19.8
in
23
how
much
of
that
originated
in
tennessee.
Exactly
I
don't
I
don't
think,
there's
a
way
to
know.
I
don't
think
there's
a
way
that
we
can
get
to
that
number.
Okay,
you
know
we
tennesseans
are
taxed,
we
send
we,
we
send
our
our
money
to
the
federal
government
and
there's
no
way
to
know
dollar
for
dollar
what
what
what
is?
What
is
part
of
these
dollars?
D
We
do
know
that
tennesseans
be
beyond
the
22.7
and
the
19.8
that
we're
talking
about
here,
we've
received
in
the
last
year
and
a
half
or
so
around
16
billion,
plus
in
federal
funding
that
has
gone
to
tennessee
in
some
way
shape
or
form
it.
It
may
be
to
health
care
or
or
higher
ed
institutions
or
individuals
that
applied
for
certain
federal
funds.
D
So
we
know
there's
significant
dollars
from
the
federal
government
that
have
come
in.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
B
D
A
A
You
know
a
lot
of
details
for
us
to
get
familiar
with,
and
I
still
hadn't
memorized
the
original
budget,
and
now
I
have
these
additional
numbers
to
contend
with,
but
we
do
appreciate
the
time
that
you've
taken
to
work
through
them
and
also
again,
I
just
want
to
say
on
behalf
of
the
committee
and
the
legislature
how
much
we
appreciate
your
working
with
us
and
listening
to
us,
and
I
think
some
of
that
is
definitely
reflected
here,
and
we
thank
you
for
that.
Thank.
A
We
are
now
back
in
session
and
we're
going
to
take
a
bill
out
of
order.
We're
going
to
item
12.,
representative
thompson
has
he
needs
to
leave,
and
I
would
just
say
that
please
I
understand
you're
going
to
chairman
wendell's
father's
visitation.
Please
give
him
all
of
our
regards
to
letting
them
know
that
he's
in
our
thoughts
and
prayers,
absolutely.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
members
of
hb
457's
simple
bill
it.
Currently,
the
code
requires
that
bail
be
paid
to
the
clerk
of
the
court
only
in
cash,
and
this
bill
updates
the
requirement
by
allowing
for
commonly
used
and
verifiable
methods
of
payment
by
adding
credit
cards,
debit
cards
and
cash
apps
as
methods
of
payment.
A
fiscal
note
is
1.9
million
in
reduced
expenses
to
local
governments,.
K
Okay
members,
you've
heard
the
explanation:
are
there
questions
for
representative
thompson
questions
been
called?
If
no
objections
then
we're
voting
on
sending
house
bill
457
to
calendar
and
rules,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
opposed
eyes.
Have
it
moves
to
calendar
and
rules?
Thank
you,
chair
committee.
K
L
Mr
chairman,
this
allows
metro
governments
which
are
mutual
small
governments,
which
were
two
in
the
state
to
bring
their
hotel
motel
tax
from
three
percent
to
a
maximum
of
six
percent.
K
Okay,
members,
you've
heard
the
explanation.
Questions
been
called
absent
objections.
We
are
voting
to
send
house
bill
2132
to
calendar
and
rules,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
opposed
eyes.
Have
it
moves
to
calendar
and
rules?
Okay.
Item
number:
two
on
our
calendar
is
house
bill.
21
29,
also
by
pro
pro
tem
speaker
marsh,
got
a
motion
in
a
second
you're
recognized
on
that.
Mr
chairman.
L
This
bill
will
allow
the
twra
and
the
sportsman's
endowment
to
start
a
lifetime
sportsman's
endowment
fund
it,
which
is
an
irrefutable
trust
by
them
doing
this.
The
the
lifetime
sportsman's
fund
will
be
able
to
be
moved
into
that
trust
and
if
and
the
ag
and
the
treasurer
has
set
stated,
if
it's
moved
into
that
trust
correctly,
then
they
can
invest
the
funds
in
the
funds
that
the
treasurer
normally
invest.
L
In
now,
they've
got
71
million
dollars
in
that
fund,
they're
drawing
113
000
a
year
interest
if
we
put
it
into
this
trust
and
that
the
treasurer
invested,
we're
gonna
get
between
four
and
five
million
dollars
interest,
which
should
lower
the
cost
of
hunting
license
in
the
future.
With
that
I'll
answer,
any
questions.
K
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
This
bill
comes
from
the
governor's
office
and
by
working
with
the
department
of
safety
and
the
governor's
office
chairman
howell,
and
I
and
senator
bailey
are
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
cut
a
lot
of
regulations
and
rules
from
the
department
of
safety
in
the
state
of
tennessee
on
allowing
our
citizens
to
become
truck
drivers
quickly
to
get
their
cdls
quickly.
We're
cutting
a
lot
of
regulations
out.
L
We
have
a
lot
of
regulations
still
left
that
they're
federal
regulations,
but
we
think
we've
gone
as
bad
as
far
as
we
can
to
cut
the
red
tape
and
trying
to
get
our
guys
into
trucks
and
and
help
with
this
supply
chain
mess
we're
also
in
this
bill
we're
allowing
third-party
testers
to
test
drivers
all
across
the
state
we're
giving
the
tenancy
department
of
safety
more
money
to
hire
auditors
to
audit
these
testers
to
make
sure
they're
doing
it
properly.
L
We've
got
three
thousand
potential
drivers
in
backlog
waiting
to
go
through
these
testing,
so
we
think
this
will
open
it
up
quickly.
We
also
have
a
provision
to
allow
18
year
olds
to
drive
under
some
regulations
in
in
trial
state
tennessee.
Only
so
it's
going
to
open
it
up
for
some
new
drivers
without
I'll
answer.
Any
questions.
K
Okay,
any
discussion,
question
questions
been
called.
We
are
then
voting
to
send
house
bill
2146
to
calendar
and
rules,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
opposed
eyes
have
it
goes
to
calendar
and
rules.
Thank
you,
speaker
pro
tem
marsh.
We
we
moved
to
item
number
four
on
our
agenda,
which
is
house
bill
1924
by
deputy
speaker
johnson.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
deputy
speaker
johnson
you're
recognized
thank.
K
K
K
Okay,
I
think
we're
going
to
go
to
item
number
six
on
our
calendar,
which
is
house
bill
1654
by
chairman
howe,
chairman
hal.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
on
your
bill.
You've
got
some
amendments.
The
first
one
is:
is
finance
subcommittee
amendment
number
one?
This
is
drafting
code
16076
by
chairman
howell.
Do
we
have
a
motion
on
the
amendment
motion
and
a
second
okay
chairman
hal
you're
recognized
on
the
amendment.
K
Question's
been
called
absent
objections,
then
we're
voting
to
put
the
amendment
on
the
bill.
Amendment
16076
on
house
bill
1654
all
in
favor,
say
aye
opposed.
The
amendment
goes
on
the
bill.
There's
a
second
amendment.
This
is
finance
subcommittee.
Amendment
number
two
drafting
code:
zero,
one,
six,
two,
seven
three!
This
amendment
is
by
chairman
how
you've
got
a
second
motion
in
a
second
and
questions,
been
called
any
objection
to
calling
the
questions
on
this
amendment.
K
Okay,
then
we're
voting
to
add
amendment
number
two:
zero
one,
six,
two,
seven
three
on
to
house
bill,
16
house,
bill
1654,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
opposed
eyes
have
it
goes
on
the
bill
and
we've
got
a
third
amendment.
This
is
finance
subcommittee,
sub
committee.
Amendment
number
three:
this
is
drafting
code
zero,
one
three,
three,
four
one
by
chairman,
howe
chairman
hal,
you've
got
a
motion
and
a
second
on
the
amendment.
K
Questions
been
called
so
we'll
vote
to
put
this
amendment
on
the
bill,
all
in
favor
say:
aye
opposed
eyes.
Have
it
so
amendment
zero
one
three
three
one
four
goes
on
house
bill
1654.
now,
chairman
hal,
I
think
we've
got
the
bill
in
the
proper
posture
and
we're
ready
for
an
explanation.
K
Okay,
question's
been
called
absent
objection.
We
are
voting
to
send
house
bill
1654
to
calendar
and
rules,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
opposed
eyes.
Have
it
chairman
hal
goes
to
calendar
and
rules.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
committee.
Okay,
item
number
seven
is
also
chairman
howell.
This
is
house
bill.
1655.,
chairman
hal
you've
got
a
motion
and
a
second
we're
ready
for
an
explanation.
K
M
F
What
we've,
what
we've
discovered
with
the
remote
learning,
is
it's
it's
a
valuable
tool
in
certain
situations
and
when
there's
natural
disasters,
fires,
floods
that
we
may
need
this
and
what
this
system
will
do
is
for
those
school
systems
that
have
remote
learning
capability.
They
will
test
the
equipment
to
make
sure
the
equipment
is
working.
They
won't
put
the
whole
system
through
a
complete
test,
they're,
just
making
sure
all
their
equipment
is
working
just
in
case
the
schools
have
to
use
it.
In
the
case
of
a
disaster,
they'll
run
the
drills
through
and
learn.
F
M
So,
each
each
spring
we
actually
go
through
my
school
district.
We
we
go
through
an
exercise
where
we
have
to
jump
on
it
and,
of
course
all
this
is
in
preparation
for
online
testing,
which
we
hope
to
eventually
get
to,
but
we
have
to
jump
online
and
so
right
now
our
school
system.
We
we
don't
all,
do
it.
We
just
arbitrarily
pick
which
grades
we
want
to
do.
Is
that
going
to
suffice?
So
basically,
what
we're
doing
now
will
suffice.
What
you're
wanting
to
do,
or
would
this
be,
in
addition
to.
F
Now
the
the
system
of
states
working
you'll
drop
your
own
rules,
working
with
the
department
of
education
and
at
least
once
a
year
you
will
have
a
a
remote
test
of
your
equipment
for
for
remote
learning.
So
if
you're
already
doing
that
and
the
department
of
education
approves
it,
you
probably
already
meet
the
requirement
and
for
those
schools
who
don't
have
the
equipment
to
do
this
in
some
real
schools,
they
don't
have
to
do
it.
F
That's
why
the
physical
note
was
removed
when
we
first
started
moving
the
bill
is
because
we
were
going
to
have
a
huge
physical
note
to
buy
equipment
for
the
schools
that
don't
have
this
capability.
A
Are
there
other
questions
of
the
sponsor,
seeing
none
without
objection,
we're
voting
on
house
bill
1964
all
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed.
You
always
have
it
chairman.
Rudd
your
bill.
Moves
on
to
calendar
and
rules,
item
number
nine
on
our
calendar
house
bill
1949
by
representative
darby.
We
have
a
mission
and
a
second
representative
darby.
B
B
A
A
B
Just
one
second
up,
one:
six:
zero,
zero,
nine,
yes
ma'am!
I
apologize.
I
had
a
different
number
as
to
when
the
bill
was
okay.
Okay,.
A
All
right,
so
we
are
have
an
amendment
drafting
code,
zero,
one,
six,
zero,
zero,
nine
that
we
need
to
get
on
the
bill.
We
have
a
motion
in
a
second
all,
those
in
favor
of
the
amendment.
Please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed.
A
B
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair.
Through
the
tennessee
board
of
education,
la's,
lease
shall
implement
curriculum
in
grades
five
through
eight
designed
to
educate
students
in
black
history
and
culture,
the
contribution
of
black
people
in
the
history
and
development
of
this
country
and
the
world.
A
A
J
F
Okay,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
under
this
legislation.
Right
now,
currently,
you
can
become
a
master
barber
instructor
or
a
cosmetology
instructor
in
the
state
of
tennessee.
However,
the
there's
a
slight
difference
in
the
instruction
when
you
go
to
cosmetology
school
and
barbering
school
under
this
bill,
it
will
allow
the
instructors
in
in
barbering
to
go
and
pick
up
the
classes
that
they
didn't
get
in
their
barbing
class
for
cosmetology
and
vice
versa,
when
they
do
that
they
can
become
dual
instructors,
as
both
the
master
instructor
for
barbering
and
cosmetology.
A
A
A
Chairman
weaver
you're
recognized
on
your
bill.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair,
lady,
and
thank
you
members.
The
the
bill
before
you
was
amended
and
the
amendment
is
one
three
three
three,
oh
two,
I
think
it's
with
traveling
with
the.
C
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
on
the
same
page.
Basically,
this
authorized
private,
non-commercial
vehicle
owners
and,
and
we
sees
to
renew
their
res
registration
plates
for
a
24-month
period
rather
than
the
current
12-month
period.
There
is
a
fee
to
offset
the
revenue
otherwise
generated
by
that
of
a
12-month
registration.
C
So
the
bill
creates
an
entirely
new
plate
class
and
the
design
of
the
license
plate
would
be
up
to
the
department
it's
not
available
on
commercial,
specialty,
personalized
or
other
non-standard
plates,
and
it
is
not
to
be
confused
with
the
new
license
plates
that
we
have
the
option
of.
In
god.
We
trust.
So
it's
a
brand
new
plate,
and
if
you
only
want
to
pay
for
it
two
years
versus
one
year,
you
can
you
have
the
option.
N
Thank
you,
representative
weaver.
I
I
think
this
bill
is
a
is
a
good
idea.
I'm
unfortunately,
I'm
not
going
to
be
supporting
the
bill
today.
The
reason
I'm
not
supporting
the
bill
is
if
we
begin
in
state
government
to
only
do
budgeting
on
an
annual
basis,
but
yet
we
collect
revenues
on
a
biannual
basis.
N
And
so,
if
we
were
going
to
start
doing
everything
on
a
two-year
cycle
and
be
like
texas
and
do
a
a
a
budgetary
cycle
every
two
years,
that
would
make
more
sense
to
to
to
do
your
bill.
I
recognize
that
in
your
mind's
eye,
it's
a
convenience
and
I
recognize
that
it
could
be
a
convenience,
obviously
for
me
and
my
family
as
well,
particularly,
but
because
of
that,
I'm
not
going
to
be
supporting
your
bill.
Unless
maybe
I
missed
something.
But
thank.
C
You,
chairman
weaver,
it
is
permissible,
so
it's
not
mandated.
As
I
understand
it,
it
is.
I
was
told
it
was
permissible.
So,
like
your
counties,
don't
have
to
do
this.
N
I
recognize
that
I
recognize
that
my
county
don't
have
to
do
this,
but
the
the
the
impetus
would
be
if
all
the
counties
did
choose
to
do
it.
Then,
when
the
revenues
come
into
the
state
it'd
be
very
it'd,
be
very
unpredictable.
I
guess
it's
a
question,
so
I
recognize
the
the
intent
there,
but
I
appreciate
bringing
the
bill,
but
I'm
unfortunate,
I'm
gonna
be
able
to
support
it.
Thank
you.
M
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and,
to
the
chairman's
point
I
personally
and
you
know
a
lot
more
about
the
budget
process
than
I
do
at
this
point,
but
I
would
think
that
our
folks
in
state
government
can
keep
up
with
this
money
and
know
if
it's
a
two-year
fee
or
a
one-year
fee
and
therefore
show
us
just
like
they
do
with
recurring
money.
What's
recurring
and
non-recurring,
so
I
I
would
think
it
wouldn't
be
too
difficult.
It's
not
like
necessarily
like
sales
tax.
It's
coming
from
a
wide
variety
of
things.
M
C
G
E
Sorry,
I'm
just
coming
back
to
the
permissive
part
on
this.
I
I
can't
find
anywhere
in
the
minute.
Maybe
I'm
looking
at
the.
I
was
looking
at
amendment
two
that
came
out
of
house
transportation
and
chairman
howell
was
in
here
earlier,
but
it's
it's.
That
amendment
seemed
to
indicate
that
it's
open
to
everybody
statewide
that
it's
not
permissive
as
to
each
county.
It's
a
it's!
A
statewide.
C
E
E
And
one
volume,
sorry
later
lambert
thank
you
chairman
and
when
you
mentioned
earlier,
they're
going
to
design
a
new
plate.
What's
the
purpose
of
kind
of
a
full
redesign,
we
just
went
through
a
redesign
and
that
rollout
has
been.
I
think
difficult.
I
mean
it's
worked
fine,
but
there
has
been.
You
know
a
variety
of
things
dealing
with
lprs
and
others,
and
so
in
designing
a
new
plate.
I
mean:
will
it
basically
mirror
the
current
plate
and
will
folks
be
able
to
choose?
E
C
Representative
weaver,
as
I
understand
it,
representative,
it
is
going
to
design
create
an
entirely
new
plate
class.
So
for
those
of
you
who
want
to
do
it
every
other
year,
you
have
that
option
and
the
design
of
the
license
plate
would
be
up
to
the
department.
That's
what
the
department
told
me:
okay
did
that
help.
E
J
J
Tedious
work
worst
processes
of
any
state
government
period.
It's
just
terrible.
My
business.
We
have
a
ton
of
vehicles,
we
have
to
build
a
board,
go
get
stuff
registered,
it
is
the
most
cumbersome.
I
wish
I
could
pay
prepay
for
10
years
for
every
vehicle.
I
have
let
you
keep
the
entrance
double
the.
I
don't
care,
what
it
cost.
We
would
pay
triple
to
not
have
to
deal
with
this
process.
It's
terrible,
it's
cumbersome!
J
M
You
chair,
lady,
and
just
a
quick
question
of
chair
lady
weaver.
What
about
will
tax?
So
if
I
pay
my
fee
for
my
tag
and
my
county
has
a
will
tax
so,
okay,
so
every
two
years
I
pay
for
my
tag,
but
I'll
still
have
to
go
in
right
every
year,
so
unfortunately,
representative
ogles,
I
don't
think
you're
going
to
get
out
of
going
there
every
year.
If
your
county
has
a
will
tax.
Is
that
correct.
C
A
Let
if
you'd
like
to
be
recorded
a
no
let
the
clerk
know
if
you
want
to
be
recorded
as
present
not
voting.
Let
the
clerk
know
that
as
well
chairman
weaver,
your
bill
moves
on
to
calendar
and
rules.
A
B
A
G
For
nonprofits
law
enforcement
and
cities.
A
And
I
I
did
have
a
quick
question
just
to
clarify
these.
These
dollars
are
dollars
that
are
already
available.
It's
just
a
reallocation,
correct.
A
Thank
you.
The
question
was
called
in
the
objection
calling
of
the
question.
Seeing
none
we're
voting
on
house
bill
2194
all
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed.
You
guys
have
it
house
bill.
2194
moves
on
to
calendar
and
rules,
item
number
16
house
bill
2271
by
the
representative
ogles,
I
hope
you're
moving
crews.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
actually
had
a
meet
meeting
with
the
treasurer
I
wanted
to
clarify.
We
exp
greatly
expanded
the
the
statutes
for
which
a
criminal
asset
forfeiture
can
be
done
in
the
state
of
tennessee.
I
just
want
to
be
sure
that
money
when
it's
distributed,
that
it
gets
to
the
victims
of
the
crime
and
it
actually
restitution
is
addressed.
A
M
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
What
this
bill
does
it
lowers
the
age
to
carry
a
handgun
in
public
from
21
to
18..
Currently
18
year
olds
can
possess
legally
in
this
state
they
can
carry
a
firearm
in
their
home
or
in
their
car
and
their
boat
other
places
as
that.
But
when
they
leave
that
structure
their
their
castle
in
the
law,
then
they
are
prohibited
from
protecting
themselves,
and
this
just
lowers
the
age
218.
M
M
He
was
very
encouraging
said
that
this
actually
is
going
to
allow
a
different
pool
of
our
adult
citizens
to
be
eligible
for
many
local
law
enforcement
agencies
to
hire
and
fill
some
vacancies,
and
I
just
didn't
realize
that
so
I've
checked
that
out
with
a
few
of
them
and
found
that
to
be
the
case.
So
I
would
certainly
hope
that
our
discussion
in
this
committee
being
on
finance
would
certainly
sit
around
the
positive
fiscal
note
and
I'm
sure
that
our
fiscal
review
folks
can
provide
other
information
if
we
need
it.
A
Thank
you,
chairman
todd.
We
do
have
a
request
for
testimony
and
without
objection,
we'll
go
out
of
session
and
I'll
ask
linda
mcfadden,
ketchum.
A
O
Current
tennessee
law
requires
a
person
to
be
at
least
21
years
of
age
to
carry
a
handgun
in
public.
We
oppose
weakening
this
law.
As
I
understand
it,
this
committee
focuses
on
the
cost
of
new
legislation
so
for
now
I'll
hold
off
on
objections
to
this
bill
regarding
the
fatal
mistakes
that
inexperienced
teenagers
make
with
cars,
drugs,
sex
and
firearms,
some
will
want
you
and
our
fellow
tennesseans
to
believe
that
this
bill
is
a
money
maker
for
the
state.
O
For
example,
the
fiscal
note
does
show
that
the
department
of
safety,
tbi
and
local
law
enforcement
will
gain
more
than
they
will
lose
with
a
permitting
age
of
18
rather
than
21..
Compared
to
last
year's,
approximately
20
million
dollar
cost
to
implement
permitless
carry
this
bill
looks
like
a
bargain.
O
The
20
million
was
for
anticipated
increases
in
incarceration
and
over
2.9
million
in
reductions
to
unbudgeted
revenue
for
decreases
in
handgun
permits
as
a
result
of
preventless
carry,
but
is
it
a
bargain
because
it
is
easier.
Many,
if
not
all
18
to
20
year
olds
will
simply
skip
the
permit
altogether,
carry
loaded
handguns
into
public
places
and
put
their
and
others
lives
at
greater
risk.
O
18,
19
and
20
year
olds
already
kill
others
with
guns
at
a
rate
three
times
higher
than
adults,
21
and
older,
rather
than
a
bargain.
This
bill
will
cause
more
funerals,
more
hospitalizations,
more
trauma
for
you
for
me
and
for
our
fellow
tennesseans,
but
these
costs,
of
course,
are
not
mentioned
in
the
fiscal
note.
Put
it
in
perspective
right
now.
Our
state
has
the
eighth
highest
overall
cost
of
gun
violence
in
the
united
states
of
america.
That's
one
thousand
three
hundred
forty
six
dollars
per
person
every
year.
O
Right
now,
this
costs
tennessee
nine
billion
every
year,
of
which
433
million
is
paid
by
us,
the
taxpayers,
the
result
this
money,
our
money,
goes
down
the
drain
when
it
could
be
used
to
save
lives,
instead
of
ending
them
here
in
tennessee
we're
in
the
middle
of
a
public
health
crisis
that
on
your
watch
has
become
much
worse.
While
this
body
has
been
relaxing
gun
laws
and
moving
us
to
guns
everywhere,
more
tennesseans
have
died
in
shootings.
All
of
us
are
paying
for
the
carnage.
O
How
many
more
state
dollars
are
you
going
to
dole
out
to
comply
with
the
gun?
Lobby's
agenda?
This
bill
is
an
incompetent
use
of
the
people's
money.
Guns
everywhere
is
bad
for
tennessee.
It
costs
too
much
in
lives
and
dollars.
Please
spend
our
money
in
a
more
competent
way
that
supports
life,
liberty
and
the
pursuit
of
happiness.
A
B
O
A
Now,
back
in
session,
we
are
back
on
house
bill.
1735.
Are
there
questions
of
the
sponsor?
The
question
has
been
called
on
the
bill
representative
miller.
I'm
the
question
was
called
any
objection
without
objection.
All
right,
we
are
voting
on
house
bill
1735
all
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed.
A
A
N
A
All
right
without
objection,
we're
voting
on
the
amendment
zero
one,
five,
eight
two
four
being
attached
to
house
bill,
2542
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed.
You
guys
have
it
the
amendment's
now
traveling
with
the
bill.
Chairman
williams,
please
describe
your
bill
as
amended.
Thank.
N
You
chair,
lady
members
house
bill
2542,
would
allow
for
our
local
county
clerks
to
be
able
to
continue
to
perfect
liens
and
get
paid
for
the
services
they
do.
Currently.
Department
of
revenue
collects
11
for
every
perfected
lien,
but
the
department
of
revenue
doesn't
do
all
the
lien
perfections.
Our
county
clerks
have
been
doing
it
now
for
three
years.
This
bill
would
allow
the
local
rate
to
be
raised
from
five
and
a
half
dollars
to
eight
dollars.
It's
a
three
dollar
eight
and
a
half
dollars
a
three
dollar
increase.
N
These
fees
are
passed
on
to
the
rate
payers.
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
of
the
questions
the
members
might
have.
A
Are
there
questions
from
chairman
williams
after
hearing
this
explanation,
question
has
been
called
all
those
in
favor
of
house
bill
2542
as
amended.
Please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
guys
have
it
house
bill,
2542
moves
on
to
calendar
and
rules,
item
number
19
house
bill
2674,
also
by
chairman
williams.
N
N
You
this
amendment
rewrites
the
bill
last
year.
The
members
may
remember
that
the
speaker
and
I
worked
on
a
bill
as
it
relates
to
the
calculating
calculation
of
fiscal
notes.
As
related
to
the
department
of
corrections.
This
bill
is
a
fur.
This
amended
bill
further
changes
how
department
of
corrections
fiscal
notes
are
calculated
in
that
it
takes
the
highest
of
three-year
average.
N
Of
those
fiscal
notes
for
both
increases
and
decreases
incarceration
and
the
most
important
revision
is.
It
gives
a
net
total.
So
if
a
member
were
to
decrease
incarceration
in
one
category,
increase
it
in
another,
the
actual
fiscal
note
would
be
calculated
based
upon
the
net
difference.
With
that
description,
chair,
lady
and
members,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have.
A
A
10488
amendment
is
hereby
attached
and
chairman
williams,
I
believe
you
said
that
that
amendment
does
rewrite
the
bill.
Yes,.