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House Finance, Ways & Means Subcommittee House Hearing Room 3
A
All
right,
thank
you
very
much.
I'd
like
to
call
the
financial
ways
and
main
subcommittee
to
order
for
february
2nd
2022
members.
Do
we
have
any
personal
orders
before
we
get
started?
I
will
begin.
I
do
have
two
gentlemen
I'd
like
to
recognize.
If
they
would
stand,
would
you
please
welcome
richie,
broyles
and
tristan
hopkins?
They
are
auctioneers
from
hamilton
county.
So
would
you
please
make
them
feel
welcome.
A
Thank
you
all
for
being
here
members,
any
other
personal
orders.
Seeing
known
we
have
five
bills
on
our
calendar.
For
today,
item
number
one:
there's
representative
griffey.
We,
let's
see
item
number
one
is
house
bill
20
by
representative
griffey,
sir,
you
are,
you
have
a
motion.
Do
we
have
a
second?
A
A
C
Mr,
I
believe
the
amendment
simply
changes
the
effective
date
of
the
the
bill
so
that
it
would
be
2022
rather
than
2021
when
I
carried
this
last
year.
So.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Members
you've
heard
the
description,
any
discussion,
seeing
none
we're
now
voting
on
amendment
zero,
one,
two,
seven
three
three
to
house
bill,
20.,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye,
all
those
opposed,
no
yeah.
I
have
it
we're
back
on
house
bill
20
as
amended
so
you're
recognized.
Thank.
C
You,
mr
chairman
house,
bill
20,
tries
to
make
an
improvement
of
finances
for
tier
three
and
tier
four
counties
for
job
tax
credits.
I
do
have
a
physical
note
with
it
I'm
going
to
try
to
work
on
that,
but
that's
what
it
does.
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
for
many
members.
A
All
right,
thank
you
very
much
members.
Any
discussion,
seeing
none
as
representative
griffey
has
alluded
to.
There
is
a
cost
that
is
associated
with
house
bill
20
as
amended.
We
will
have
to
put
that
behind
the
budget
consider
at
a
later
date.
The
bill
also
has
been
calendared
three
times,
which
means
that
we
will
need
to
place
it
on
a
special
calendar
and
that
special
calendar
will
be
published
with
our
final
calendar
pursuant
to
house
rules.
A
A
A
All
right
members
will
have
a
motion
to
second
on
the
amendment.
We
have
a
motion.
A
second
you've
heard
the
description
in
discussion
on
the
amendment
zero
one,
two,
seven,
two,
nine
seeing
number
now
voting
on
amendment
zero,
one,
two:
zero
one,
two,
seven,
two:
nine
to
house
bill;
800,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye,
all
those
opposed.
No,
the!
I
have
it
we're
back
on
house
bill
800
as
amended,
so
you're
recognized.
Thank
you.
C
Mr
chairman,
hospital
800
would
simply
prohibit
the
lbgtq
curriculum
and
supplemental
materials
in
our
schools.
I
think
that's
something
that
should
be
left
to
mom
and
dad
at
home.
It
does
have
a
cost
on
it.
So
I'm
going
to
have
to
try
to
work
with
physical
review
and
come
back
to
the
committee
on
it.
C
I
was
a
little
surprised
that
the
physical
review
indicated
there
could
be
a
cost
to
this
and
I
believe
it
had
to
do
with
if
schools
have
to
take
material
out
that
they've
already
purchased
and
replace
that
with
additional
school
material
that
that
would
be
the
cost.
So
I
I
really
want
to
get
with
physical
review
with
this
and
challenge
that
conclusion,
because
this
simply
is
saying
we're
not
to
use
these
in
our
materials
going
forward.
C
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I
too
would
question
that
I
was
reading
the
physical
impact
and
it
does
seem
kind
of
vague
and
removing
something
I
don't
see
how
that
could
be
a
cost.
So
I
I
would
I'd
love
to
see
his
vote
on
this.
Despite
that,
I
don't
know
what
the
procedure
is,
but
that
that
just
looks
a
little
odd
to
me
and
I
understand
they.
E
They
have
certain
rules
they
go
by
and
I'm
not
criticizing
them
at
all,
but
considering
this
is
just
kind
of
hypothetical
that
there
might
be
some
calls
that
that
concerns
me.
A
This
is
not
out
of
the
ordinary,
by
any
stretch
of
the
imagination
when
we
see
these
bills,
where
there's
a
local
impact,
it's
always
been
customary
in
this
particular
committee
to
follow
suit
with
that
to
hold
these
bills
back.
So
that's
all
we're
simply
doing
to
try
to
get
a
tally,
an
overall
tally
for
what
the
impact
on
the
locals
will
be.
C
Chairman,
it's
my
intent
to
try
to
get
with
physical
review
and
and
go
over
that
conclusion
and
find
it
because
I'm
like
with
representative
chairman
todd
and
others
that
I
don't
see
how
it's
going
to
create
a
a
financial
impact,
if
they're
simply
we're
going
to
say
we're
going
to
remove
these
materials
from
the
school
curriculum
and
supplemental
materials.
So,
but
I'm
at
where
I'm
at
so
I'll
just
submit
it
to
the
committee.
Thank
you,
representative.
F
F
This
is
probably
the
supplemental
materials
that
some
instructors
will
find
on
their
own
and
they
find
them
on
their
own.
They
they
can
simply
supplant
them
with
something
else,
and
just
exclude
that
and
and
find
something
else.
I
can't
imagine
this
would
literally
be
a
textbook
that
was
approved
by
the
state
textbook
commission
that
we're
talking
about
here.
F
I
cannot
imagine
that
this
is
in
the
state
standards.
It
seems
like
it's
supplemental
material
that
maybe
some
instructors
decide
they
want
to
bring
in
and
really,
I
think,
that's
oftentimes
online
stuff-
they
just
print
it.
They
they
they
produce
it
on
their
own
and
it's
not
something
that
is
distributed
by
the
school
system.
D
Thank
you
chairman
again,
I'm
sorry
to
ask
another
question.
But
can
we
roll
this
to
a
certain
future
date
till
we,
when
you
get
the
fiscal
review,
review
back
and
then
come
back
to
us,
and
so
we
can
see
that
with
that
chairman.
Would
that
be
too
much
to
ask
for.
A
No,
I
think
if
the
representative
is
the
sponsor
of
this
legislation
wants
to
work
with
fiscal
review
can
get
that
removed.
Then
we
would
be
in
the
posture
to
be
able
to
vote
for
that.
We
could
reconsider
our
actions
and
we
could
bring
that
bill
up
and
we
could
vote
on
it
at
a
later
date.
Representative.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
for
purposes
of
clarification.
It's
my
understanding,
because
it
is
a
physical
note.
It's
going
to
go
to
that
calendar
with
for
local
bills.
That
could
have
an
impact
if
I
can
get
with
physical
review
and
when
we
come
back
for
that
calendar
and
have
physical
reviews
saying,
there's
not
going
to
be
a
cost
to
the
state.
It
would
be
taken
up
by
the
committee
at
that
time
and
voted
upon.
C
A
G
I
don't
want
to
cut
off
debate.
I
think
the
the
the
members
asked
for
some
additional
time
to
work
on
the
bill.
I
think
if
we
were
to
act
in
any
way
today,
as
the
former
chairman
of
finance
knows,
if
there's
a
budget,
if
there's
any
costs
associated
with
bill
has
to
go
behind
budget,
which
is
the
way
it
is
we.
G
Those
are
the
rules
that
we
hear
because
we're
here
to
extend
the
state's
resources,
and
I
can
appreciate
the
members
wanting
to
vote,
but
we
do
have
a
process
in
which
we
need
to
maintain.
If
the
member
wants
two
weeks,
then
we
can
make
a
motion
to
roll
the
bill
for
two
weeks.
If
he
wants
four
weeks,
we
can
do
that
or
we
can
vote
today
for
go
to
behind
the
budget.
H
Thank
you,
chairman.
Just
a
little
bit
of
clarity,
I
think
we
passed
legislation
sometime
in
the
last
year
or
two
that
dealt
with
supplemental
materials,
which
was
the
concern
of
a
prior
speaker.
So
I
think
that
this
bill
more
specifically
does
deal
with
textbooks
and
potential
of
what
could
be
in
there.
So,
hence
why
there
is
a
fiscal
note
and
it
would
not
necessarily
be
removal
is
no
cost,
but
replacement
would
be
the
cost
that
we're
looking
at
and
I'm
guessing
that
that's
what
fiscal
review
has
seen.
H
I
think
the
majority
of
folks
on
this
committee
certainly
support
this
legislation.
I
know
I
do
so
I,
but
I
think
there
is
a
certain
process
and
a
potential
cost
to
local
that
must
be
defined
better
than
it
is
being
defined
right
now.
So
the
conversation
about
supplemental
materials
we've
already
addressed,
that
we
already
made
that
to
where
it's
a
moot
point
in
this
conversation,
so
this
is
more
about
the
textbook
excel
for
the
online
materials
that
individuals
the
individuals
inside
the
classroom
would
have.
H
A
E
C
If
I
may
do
that,
then,
mr
chairman
I'll,
take
it
off
notice
for
today
and
I'll
bring
it
back
on
notice.
After
I
talk
with
physical
review.
C
I
didn't
know
if
you
would
need
to
go
to
someone
else
or
I
could
yep.
A
A
C
Mr
chairman,
this
is
a
veteran's
bingo
and
non-profits
bingo
constitutional
amendment.
It's
my
understanding.
The
committee
is
going
to
have
a
special
constitutional
amendment
calendar
later
on,
and
so
it
will
go
on
to
that.
So
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
if
we
need
to
now,
but
I
assume
we'll
just
be
back
at
a
later
date
to
discuss
it.
A
Thank
you,
representative
griffey
members,
representative
griffey
stole
my
thunder,
so
you've
heard
the
description
of
the
posture
we're
currently
in
so
any
discussion,
seeing
known
without
objection,
house,
bill
or
house
joint
resolution,
3
moves
to
the
constitutional
amendments
calendar
to
be
heard
at
a
later
time.
H
A
All
right
members
that
brings
us
to
item
number
three
on
our
calendar
house,
bill
1712
by
representative
hodges,
and
that
has
we
have
a
request
to
roll
that
two
weeks.
So
without
objection
house
bill
1712
rolled
two
weeks,
all
right.
That
brings
us
to
item
number.
Four
item:
number
four:
on
our
calendars
house:
bill
1392
by
representative
freeman,
you
have
a
motion
and
a
second
you're
recognized
thank.
I
You,
chairman
committee,
so
house,
bill
1392
is
a
statewide
bill
that
authorizes
local
governments
to
regulate
entertainment,
transportation.
It
defines
entertain,
entertainment
transportation.
I
A
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
This
bill
concerns
me
on
on
a
few
levels.
The
main
main
one
is
that
we
have
businesses
already
operating
in
this
space,
and
this
does
not
give
them
any
kind
of
warning
or
ramp
up
time,
for
their
cost
structure
is
my
biggest
concern.
We're
changing
the
rules
in
the
middle
of
the
game
literally
for
these
folks,
and
that's
my
biggest
concern
in
this.
I
know
there's
some
safety
concerns
that
this
hopes
to
address
and
it
may
address,
depending
on
what
the
locals
pass
in
their
permit
process.
E
The
other
concern
I
have
is
that
it
does
not
put
any
requirement
on
the
locals
to
issue
these
permits
if
all
the
requirements
are
met,
and
so
that
will
be
addressed,
I
think
at
a
later
committee,
if
this
bill
makes
it
even
that
far,
but
I
do
appreciate
you
allowing
me
to
at
least
express
that,
and
that's
that's
again,
a
concern.
I
think
we
have
to
look
out
for
is
you
know
existing
businesses
that
are
going
to
be
affected
by
this.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,.
A
J
Excuse
me,
thank
you,
chairman
to
the
sponsor
going
through
the
national
nashville
ordinance.
There
was
there's
several
points
of
contention.
I
have
one
is
the
72
hours.
They
have
to
report
an
accident,
a
bodily
injury
or
death
to
the
board.
J
I
think
during
the
week,
if
we're
in
operation,
they
should
report
that
almost
immediately
the
other
was
pertaining
to
minors
in
proximity
of
alcohol
and
liquor
as
written,
it
would
allow
13
year
olds
to
ride
around
on
party
buses
with
liquor.
If
those
those
permits
are
issued,
which
I
think
is
probably
not
the
standard
for
our
bars
downtown
nashville,
I
usually
don't
see
13
year
olds
in
bars.
J
J
I'm
seeing
hay
wagons
pulled
behind
tractors
that
have
thousands
of
pounds
of
structure
well
above
the
axles
12
foot
in
the
air.
I
mean
they
literally
look
like
death
traps
and
what
we're
doing
is
we're
letting
tourists
come
to
nashville
sign
a
waiver
to
say
you're
going
to
get
on
this
vehicle
and
if
it
rolls
over
and
you
die,
you
have
no
recourse.
J
I
think
that's
that's
not
our
do
it.
That's
not
us
doing
our
job
as
good
stewards
in
the
state.
So
I
understand
local
control,
but
I
hate
the
fact
that
nashville
is
going
to
be
given
the
authority
to
approve
anything,
that's
rolling
down
the
street
right
now
and
the
state's
not
stepping
in
we
saw
this
recently
with
scooters
in
the
city,
and
that
was
a
three-year
nightmare
before
it
got
fixed
and
several
people
got
really
hurt
and
we
had
some
fatalities.
J
I
I
I
appreciate
you
bringing
up
exactly
the
concerns
that
this
legislation
was
brought
forward
to
address
and
it's
the
unsafe
environment
of
these
transportation
vehicles
being
able
to
operate
in
cities
across
the
state
without
any
regulation
whatsoever,
and
you
brought
up
some
some
interesting
points
on
the
nashville
regulation
and
I'm
going
to
be
totally
honest
that
that's
that's
not
why
I'm
doing
this
I'm
doing
this
to
protect
your
community
and
franklin
the
communities
across
our
state
that
are
dealing
with
this
right
now
and
they
all
need
to
have
the
ability
to
address
it
on
a
local
level,
and
we
don't
need
to
have
to
come
up
here
and
pass
a
new
law
to
allow
a
municipality
to
regulate
something
that
is
in
their
backyard
that
they
are
seeing.
I
And
so
I
I
appreciate
your
comments,
but
I
think
that
this
is
the
best
way
to
move
forward.
So
thank
you
with
that.
Once
again,
that's
for
everyone's
support,
representative
ogles.
J
I
appreciate
your
trust
in
nashville's
ability
to
self-police,
but
literally
we
have
the
ordinance
in
front
of
us
as
written
and
proposed,
and
every
one
of
those
bars
and
restaurants
up
and
down.
Broadway
has
standards
that
apply
statewide,
there's,
ada,
accessibility,
there's
rules
by
the
fire
marshal.
That's
exactly
what
this
body
has
enacted.
Statewide.
I
think
it's
it's
our
duty.
To
be
sure,
we
put
some
guard
roles
in
place
that,
frankly,
nashville
and
the
municipalities
are
not
operating
under
their
own
set
of
standards.
That
very
well
may
be
very
hazardous
to
public
safety.
J
You
know,
I
talked
to
department
of
safety
and
they
were.
They
were
very
fearful
of
inspecting
trailers,
because
a
modified
trailer
takes
a
high
level
of
expertise
to
look
at.
You
have
to
understand
the
gauge
of
the
metal,
that's
being
used,
the
structural
integrity,
the
types
of
welds
that
are
being
made,
the
I
mean,
there's
all
kinds
of
mechanical
tests
that
have
to
be
performed
for
a
vehicle
to
hit
the
road.
All
this
is
done
in
vehicles,
it's
all
done
in
buses.
J
Nowhere
in
the
public
transportation
industry,
when
you
get
on
a
bus
in
nashville,
do
you
have
to
sign
a
waiver
to
say
if
this
bus
rolls
over
and
you
die,
you
don't
have
any
recourse.
I
mean
those
vehicles
are
approved
for
for
hauling
people
around
these
vehicles.
I'm
seeing
in
nashville
are
not
made
for
people.
Some
of
them
are
ag
trailers,
and
I
just
frankly
I
don't
trust
the
process.
I
don't
see
anything
that
anything
has
been
put
in
place
to
regard
the
safety
of
those
occupants
whatsoever.
I
I
agree
that
this
is
an
unsafe
experience
right
now
and
I'm
hoping
to
make
it
more
safe
for
people
across
the
state
and
these
vehicles
currently
are
licensed
by
the
state
of
tennessee
and
they're
they're
not
being
inspected
they're
not
being
inspected
for
safety,
and
so
my
hope
is
to
allow
municipalities
across
the
state
the
ability
to
have
some
ability
to
regulate
these
vehicles
so
that
when
people
come
to
come
to
the
cities
that
they
can
know
that
they're
gonna
they're
gonna
be
on
a
safe
they're
gonna
have
a
safe
experience,
and
so
you
keep
talking
about
nashville-
and
this
is
this
is
a
broader
statewide
application
and
what
what's
best
for
one
city
may
not
be
what's
best
for
another.