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House Budget Hearings- February 7, 2022- House Hearing Room 1
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Madam
charlie,
do
you
have
a
quorum?
Thank
you,
madam
clark.
Are
there
any
personal
orders
or
announcements
this
morning
before
we
get
underway,
seeing
none?
We
have
several
hearings
scheduled
today.
As
you
know,
this
is
the
beginning
of
our
marathon
for
the
next
five
weeks.
We'll
be
doing
this,
so
just
getting
habit
get
ready
for
monday
mornings.
B
We're
very
grateful
that
we
have
commissioner
ely
and
his
folks
from
fna
here
this
morning,
we're
going
to
first
go
over
the
capital
budget
overview
and
then
we'll
have
higher
ed
budget
hearings.
So
the
documents
will
be
on
your
dashboard
members.
So
if
you
don't
have
a
good
view
of
the
screen,
you
can
follow
along
on
dashboard.
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So
all
right
without
objection,
no
other
business.
We
are
out
of
session
and
commissioner
ely,
we
thank
you
again
for
spending
so
much
time
with
us.
We
love
you
and
we
know
that
you
love
us
and
we
we
do
appreciate
you
guys
coming
over
this
morning
and
just
walking
us
through
the
capital
budget
overview.
We,
you
know,
talked
about
the
budget
as
a
whole
last
week,
but
if
you
just
kind
of
take
us
through
the
capital
projects
that
are
being
proposed.
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Thank
you,
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
here
today
to
talk
about
capital
budget.
As
terra
hazelwood
pointed
out,
it's
a
big
part
of
this
year's
budget
and
there's
a
lot
of
information,
and
so
we
want
to
go
through
through
that
with
you
today
in
detail
and
answer
any
questions
that
you
have
we're
going
to.
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I'm
grateful
for
the
partnership
that
we've
had
with
with
this
fsag
group
and
the
collaboration
that
has
taken
place
as
we
discussed
last
week.
The
the
two
main
projects
that
that
didd
and
health
will
present
here
in
a
moment
have
have
already
gone
through
the
expansion
process,
and
I
know
you're,
aware
of
them,
but
we
wanted
to
have
representatives
here
today
to
talk
to
you
about
specifically
those
those
two
projects
real
quickly.
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D
One
of
the
big
cons
is
the
the
strict
guidelines
and
jumping
through
the
hoops
of
the
federal
compliance,
and
so
we
made
sure
that
what
we
are
proposing
does
meet
the
test
that
have
been
that
have
been
laid
down
to
us
from
the
feds.
So
I'm
now
gonna
turn
it
over
to
the
department
of
help
and
john.
Let
you
take
it
away
and
explain
the
project
of
the
lab.
Yes,.
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E
One
of
the
highlights
from
covet
19,
if
you
can
call
a
highlight,
but
it's
a
lesson
learned,
is
that
we
did
not
have
sufficient
surge
capacity
to
deal
with
the
pandemic.
The
lab
is
a
is
an
older
facility.
It's
a
large
facility,
but
it's
not
designed
as
a
modern
lab
and
what
we
ran
into
is
that
there
was
not
enough
space
for
us
to
run
the
the
type
of
test
that
we
needed
to
help
efficiently
combat
the
pandemic.
E
The
second
item
is.
The
second
item
I
want
to
bring
up
is
that
as
an
older
facility,
the
cost
of
maintaining
the
building
continues
to
go
up.
In
the
last
five
years,
we've
worked
with
the
department
of
general
services
to
identify
at
least
seven
million
dollars
of
items
that
need
to
be
done
at
the
facility.
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E
the
the
volume
of
tests
that
we
do
now
we
do
two
million
a
year.
The
way
that
the
trend
is
going,
that
the
lab
will
be
asked
to
do
more
testing
as
a
part
of
federal
or
cdc
guidelines,
and
we
need
more
and
efficient.
We
need
more
space
and
efficient
space
to
do
that,
to
really
make
it
more
of
a
modern
laboratory,
and
this
next
slide
just.
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E
Gives
you
an
idea
of
some
of
the
working
conditions
that
we
have
yeah?
You
can
see
that
there's
an
inefficient
workspace,
there's
a
lot
of
damage
to
the
building
that
we
are
constantly
dealing
with,
and
it
just
it's
it.
It
will
border
on
an
unsafe
environment
at
some
point,
if
we
don't
act
now
and
so
to
help
alleviate
these
problems.
E
E
We're
going
to
construct
new
health
departments,
we're
going
to
renovate
some
older
facilities
and
then
we're
going
to
redo
some
of
our
regional
offices
and-
and
that's
those
are
the
three
components
that
we're
going
to
do
to
help
rebuild
the
infrastructure
that
we
have.
What
we
want
to
do
is
create
what
we're
doing
is
creating
a
grant
program
to
deliver
funds
to
local
governments
so
that
they
can
enter
into
agreements
to
help
with
the
construction
of
new
facilities
or
renovations
as
needed
per
the
county
we.
This
is.
E
The
first
slide
here
shows
that
we
are
going
to
replace
17
county
facilities.
These
are
all
buildings
that
have
exceeded
their
useful
life
and
they're
they're
way
beyond,
what's
needed
for
a
modern
health
department.
We
either
have
consistent
water
issues,
just
maintenance
in
general,
older
facilities,
crowded
work
conditions
and
it's
just
time
to
replace
it.
So
this
is
what
we'll
do
in
this
in
this
section,
and
it's
about
65
million
to
do
that,
and
you
can
see
some
of
the
pictures
here
of
some
of
the
facilities
that
we're
looking
at
replacing.
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This
next
section
is
34
million
dollars.
It's
county
facility
renovations
and
upgrades.
We
identified
27
counties
that
really
needed
significant
renovations
in
order
to
meet
the
demands
at
the
county
level,
and
so
we've
identified
those
at
least
nine
of
those
are
in
at
risk
or
distressed
counties,
and
we're
really
going
to
address
a
lot
of
the
lighting,
the
flooring,
the
roofing
all
these
issues
to
make
them
more
modern
and
probably
fit
more
of
the
workflow
as
a
of
primary
care
is
what
we
do
a
lot
at
the
at
the
health
department.
E
The
last
part
of
this
is
that
you
know
your
accounting
may
not
need
a
full-blown
renovation,
but
you
may
have
a
roof
problem
or
you
may
need
a
new
parking
lot,
and
so
what
we've
done
is
we've
set
the
program
up
so
that
all
rural
counties
will
have
access
to
a
minimum
of
450
000
dollars
in
capital
for
a
project
that
doesn't
mean
have
to
spend
all
of
it.
But
if
there
is
a
need
there,
I
didn't
I
I
didn't
the
department
didn't
in
the
administration.
E
Didn't
want
funding
to
be
the
barrier
to
that,
and
so
that's
that's.
234
million
dollars
and
it'll
probably
take
two
to
three
years
to
complete,
and
these
are
some
of
the
renovations
that
we
would
need
to
take
care
of,
and
you
can
get
kind
of
an
idea
of
what
we're
dealing
with
and
then.
Finally,
we
have
regional
and
other
needs
is
about
30
million
dollars.
This
will
be
the
replacement
of
two
regional
offices
which
provide
the
backbone
of
our
support
at
the
local
level.
E
D
G
You,
commissioner,
good
morning,
everyone
thank
you
for
the
time
here,
so
I
will
jump
right
into
it.
I
really
appreciate
your
focus
and
understanding
about
what
we
do
and
certainly
appreciate
our
friends
in
general
services
and
all
the
work
that's
gone
into
the
financial
accountability
group.
So
our
proposal
right
now
would
be
for
three
new
regional
offices,
one
in
each
grand
region
across
the
state
of
tennessee.
So
all
of
these
regional
offices
right
now
would
be
on
our
state
property,
where
our
current
offices
exist.
G
I
think
just
for
the
information
portion
for
the
committee.
These
are
historically
buildings
that
were
used
as
institutional
facilities
for
our
population.
We
have
converted
those
buildings
now
into
health
clinics,
seating
and
positioning
clinics.
Behavioral
health
needs
that
I'm
going
to
talk
about
here
in
a
little
bit,
so
the
folks
that
we're
supporting
on
these
campuses
now
many
of
them
were
previously
residents
in
an
institutionalized
setting
in
tennessee,
so
kind
of
shows
the
progress
that
we
made
in
tennessee
to
move
people
out
into
more
independent
and
community-based
setting.
G
G
But
what's
important,
for
you
to
know,
is
what
these
buildings
are
going
to.
Do
it's
not
just
for
us
to
really
build
these
just
to
say
that
we
built
them
our
seating
and
positioning
clinic
leader.
Lambert
came
out
there
and
visited
us.
I
think,
there's
a
few
others
that
have
come
out.
There
is
really
life-changing
for
tennesseans
with
disabilities.
G
It
creates
a
full
clinic
that
can
be
used
by
individuals
that
we
serve,
but
also
by
the
private
community
if
they
have
needs
relative
to
wheelchairs
or
issues
that
they
might
have
with
their
spine
or
their
back
or
other
things
that
we
might
be
able
to
help
with
it
provides
a
full
clinic
for
them
to
be
able
to
meet
their
needs
for
wheelchair
capacity
for
stability
for
posture,
a
lot
of
things
that
we
take
for
granted.
That
really
impacts
the
overall
health
of
tennesseans
with
disabilities.
G
Unfortunately,
one
of
the
challenges
that
we've
run
into
that
that
john
had
just
talked
about
around
covett
was
the
mortality
rate
for
tennesseans
with
covid
diagnosis
was
three
and
a
half
times
higher
than
it
was
in
traditional
population,
so
we
fought
really
hard
to
make
sure
that
we
protected
the
most
vulnerable
in
tennessee,
and
we
did
a
really
good
job
of
that.
But
one
of
those
things
was
such
a
high
death
rate.
G
These
clinics,
these
services,
that
we're
going
to
be
delivering
now
and
in
the
future
from
these
new
regional
offices
are
going
to
continue
to
be
able
to
promote
good
positive
health.
All
across
the
population
of
intellectual
developmental
disabilities
for
tennesseans
another
thing
that
it
does
given
the
climate
that
we're
in
right
now
that
I
think
is
really
important
for
all
of
us,
because
I
know
that
I've
spoken
with
several
of
you
around
phone
calls
that
you've
received
from
law
enforcement
and
from
health
officials
inside
your
communities.
G
Is
it
would
house
our
regional
offices
for
our
behavioral
and
our
crisis
teams
to
meet
the
needs
of
folks
with
with
co-occurring
diagnosis,
and
what
that
means
is
individuals
that
might
be
having
a
mental
health
crisis,
but
also
have
an
intellectual
developmental
disability
right
now.
There's
a
really
large
gap
that
we're
working
to
fill
to
serve
the
needs
of
tennesseans
that
find
themselves
in
crisis,
but
also
have
an
intellectual
developmental
disability.
Because,
historically,
what
has
happened?
G
Our
regional
stabilization
teams
would
all
be
housed
in
these
areas
and
they
would
use
that
as
launching
points
to
be
able
to
get
to
both
urban
areas,
but
specifically
to
rural
areas
as
quickly
as
we
can
to
make
sure
that
we
meet
the
needs
of
those
individuals
before
a
crisis
moment
happens,
happens
or
while
they're
also
inside
a
crisis
moment.
The
last
thing
that
I
want
to
talk
about
on
why
these
buildings
are
going
to
be
important
is
the
needs
in
inside
the
communities
of
children
with
disabilities,
teis
and
katie
beckett.
G
These
buildings
are
also
going
to
house
therapists,
they're
going
to
house
team
members
case
managers,
social
counselors-
that
will
be
working
with
families
who
are
in
the
katie
beckett
waiver
program
and
children
with
disabilities,
but
also
meeting
the
needs
of
thousands
of
tennesseans
under
the
age
of
three
who
are
going
to
be
served
through
our
early
intervention
programs.
These
are
going
to
be
their
launching
points
to
meet
families
and
be
a
little
bit
closer
to
them,
get
to
more
families
quicker.
G
D
D
So
real
real
quickly,
just
a
reminder.
Both
of
these
projects
were
part
of
the
tennessee
resiliency
plan
that
that
we
released
back
in
the
fall
and
the
fsag
group
approved
and
have
moved
move
forward
through
the
expansion
process.
With
this
committee
now
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
hear
from
general
services.
D
So
you'll
you'll
see
many
projects
that
are
needed
for
our
up-and-coming
workforce
type
projects.
We
we
know
we
need
more
skilled
labor.
We
know
we
need
more
nursing
capability
throughout
the
state,
and
so
we
know
we
need
more
engineering
sciences,
and
so
those
are
the
kinds
of
projects
you're,
seeing
as
well
as
as
deferred
maintenance.
D
Last
year
this
year
in
in
the
future,
will
be
we.
We
know
that
we've
got
billions
of
dollars
that
the
tasser
has
reported
and
others
have
reported
that
are
needed
to
be
able
to
maintain
our
assets
in
in
good
condition.
So
so,
overall,
there's
a
there's,
a
purpose:
we're
not
just
spending
these
dollars
because
they're
available
we're
doing
so
in
a
very
deliberate
manner,
and-
and
we
think
that
they'll
add
value
for
tennessee.
A
A
Assisting
me
today
is
deputy
commissioner
john
hall,
he's
our
director
for
the
state
of
tennessee
real
estate,
asset
management
group
or
what
we
call
stream,
there's
others
from
the
leadership
team
that
are
in
the
audience
that
can
provide
helpful
information,
and
I
also
want
to
take
a
moment
to
recognize
that
we
do
have
ceo
clay
bright.
He
is
the
ceo
of
the
mega
site
authority
of
west
tennessee.
Should
you
have
any
specific
questions
regarding
the
mega
site?
A
We
are
here
today
to
discuss
our
capital
budget.
Our
stream
division
operates,
manages
and
maintains
capital
assets,
government
related
capital
assets.
In
that
capacity
the
division
is
responsible
for
managing
improvement
projects
and
capital
maintenance
projects
for
the
fy
23
budget.
You
can
see
on
the
slide
here
we're
proposing
a
capital
outlay
program
totaling
over
1.7
billion
dollars.
This
consists
of
45
capital
projects
totaling
just
over
1.46
billion
dollars
and
78
capital
maintenance
projects,
totaling
285
million
dollars.
A
So
now,
let's
look
at
the
number
of
projects
on
this
next
slide.
We
have
123
total
capital
projects
proposed
in
the
fy
23
budget.
This
is
continuing
an
upper
upward
trend
from
2022,
and
it
indicates
the
highest
volume
of
projects
that
we
have
seen
in
many
years,
perhaps
ever
to
address
the
additional
workload
from
the
number
of
projects
we
have
requested.
Additional
staff
positions
in
our
stream
division,
while
there's
significant
increase
in
the
volume
of
projects.
A
One
of
the
issues
that
chair
hazel
would
ask
that
we
address
are
issues
in
the
real
estate
and
construction
market.
There's
none,
that's
more
obvious
that
we
haven't
heard
we've
all
heard
about
other
than
rate
of
inflation.
It
is
an
ongoing
issue.
Every
industry
has
been
subject
to
seeing
rising
costs
and
the
construction
industry
has
seen
a
sharp
increase
in
material
costs.
Over
the
last
two
years,
material
costs
have
increased
by
a
total
of
43
percent.
A
Just
in
two
years,
hopefully
this
gives
you
some
indication
into
just
how
difficult
it
is
to
provide
budget
estimates
with
100
percent
accuracy.
From
the
time
we
provide
a
capital
project
budget
in
september
of
each
year.
It
doesn't
get
funded
until
the
following
year.
We
go
through
design
and
then
we
go
back
for
construction
funding
as
well.
So
sometimes
it's
two
or
more
years
before
we
actually
receive
bids
on
a
project,
and
I
don't
think
anyone
was
able
to
predict
that
we
would
have
an
increase
of
43
in
construction
materials
for
the
last
couple
years.
A
A
As
you
may
recall,
we
performed
a
facility
condition
assessment
in
2020
and
when
I
came
to
this
hearing
in
2021,
we
talked
about
what
that
number
is.
The
facility
conditions
assessment
was
performed
on
all
general
government
assets.
I
want
to
remind
everyone
that
that
did
not
include
higher
education,
just
general
government,
and
you
may
remember
that
we
said
the
deferred
maintenance,
capital
capital
deferred.
Liability
is
2.5
billion
dollars.
A
A
A
This
slide
shows
the
total
of
deferred
maintenance
that
we
have
in
our
downtown
nashville
office
buildings.
That
number
on
the
slide
you
can
see
is
406
million
dollars,
but
a
great
deal
of
that
75
percent
is
actually
within
four
buildings,
and
you
can
see
those
are
on
the
bottom
of
the
diagram
here,
surrounded
in
red.
A
A
A
A
The
attorney
general's
offices
have
moved
into
the
john
sevier
building,
but
there
are
still
attorney
general
offices
located
in
a
lease
in
the
ubs
building,
we'll
be
moving.
Those
out
of
the
lease
in
the
ubs
building
into
the
renovated
war
memorial
and
that
is
along
goes
along
with
our
goal:
to
move
more
of
our
properties
around
our
agencies,
out
of
leases
and
into
state-owned
properties
in
this
year's
budget.
The
citizens-
oh
excuse
me,
the
citizens
plaza
building-
is
the
next
building
on
the
list.
Here.
It
is
our
plan
to
sell
that
building.
A
It
has
been
vacant
for
a
few
years
and
of
course,
we
continue
to
have
to
pay
expenses
on
that
building
while
we
own
it,
but
we
are
selling
it
and
we
are
working
on
an
agreement
right
now
with
the
nashville
metro
government
to
sell
that
building
for
fair
market
value
to
them
by
disposing
of
james
k,
polk
in
citizens
plaza
building
and
then
by
reinvesting
in
the
war
memorial
building
and
reinvesting
in
legislative
plaza
building.
Just
those
actions
itself
will
eliminate
312
million
dollars
of
deferred
maintenance
in
that
406
million
dollar
deferred
maintenance
liability.
A
Over
the
past
several
years,
we
have
had
questions
about
how
we
rate
our
capital
maintenance
project.
So
I
thought
I
would
talk
you
through
that
as
well.
We
have
standardized
a
method
to
prioritize
our
capital,
maintenance
projects
and
review.
We
review
number
of
factors
to
objectively
rank
those
projects,
and
we
ask
five
main
categories
of
questions
to
help
us
with
that
ranking.
The
first
question
we
ask
is:
how
critical
is
this
particular
project
to
the
operations
or
maintenance
for
this
particular
agency?
A
Is
it
going
to
impact
the
agency
within
the
next
year
or
the
next
three
to
five
years,
or
is
it
beyond
five
years
that
determines
how
critical
it
is?
Next
thing
we
ask
is:
what
is
the
priority
set
by
the
agency?
You
know
they
are
most
close
to
those
assets.
What
do
they
feel
like?
They
need
most
to
help
them
with
their
mission.
A
A
What
is
the
reason
for
the
project
request?
Does
it
comply
with
the
government
mandate?
Is
there
a
risk
of
system
failure?
An
example
of
that
would
be
the
elevators
in
the
andrew
jackson
building.
We
think
there
is
a
risk
of
system
failure
for
those
elevators,
so
that
is
a
highly
rated
capital
maintenance
project
that
we
are
funding
this
year
and
we
will
be
taking
that
on.
A
Does
the
project
align
with
completely
align
with
the
agency's
mission
or
is
it
just
supportive?
An
example
of
that
would
be
in
the
department
of
children
services
if
there
is
a
project
that
is
within
the
youth
development
center,
where
we
have
children,
24
7?
That
project
is
going
to
rate
higher
than
perhaps
a
capital
maintenance
project
on
a
facility
in
the
back
of
the
property,
where
we
have
capital
being
stored
capital
assets
like
lawn
mowers
or
or
some
kind
of
equipment.
A
F
On
this
slide,
we'd
just
like
to
show
you
the
some
highlights
of
our
capital
outlay
for
this
year,
as
you
can
see,
we've
listed
several
high
priority
improvement
and
maintenance
projects.
In
addition
to
these,
we
have
included
four
that
are
currently
in
programming
that
will
require
more
time
to
study
and
develop
in
the
months
ahead.
As
commissioner
branston
noted
earlier
in
our
presentation,
we
have
45
capital
improvement
projects
and
78
maintenance
projects
listed
in
the
fy
23
budget
proposal.
F
F
F
That
would
lead
us
to
recommend
replacements
in
most
cases
or
extensive
renovations,
rather
than
start
a
series
of
capital
projects
for
each
of
these
locations.
We
believe
the
best
decision
for
the
state
and
these
agencies
is
to
build
a
new
state-of-the-art
training
facility
on
property.
We
own
in
davidson
county.
F
F
Our
specific
work
on
this
project
will
include
the
construction
of
two
headquarters:
buildings
for
the
departments
of
correction
and
safety
and
homeland
security.
We
will
also
construct
training
facilities
and
residential
buildings
that
will
have
classrooms
and
the
residential
buildings
will
then
be
in
a
dormitory
style
accommodations.
F
There
will
be
a
dining
hall,
there
will
be
indoor
and
outdoor
firing
ranges.
There
will
be
an
evoc
track,
which
we
call
an
emergency
vehicle
operations
course
there
will
be
service,
centers
and
warehouse
centers
there
there
will
be
a
helipad,
it
will
be
a
shoot
house
for
various
training
scenarios,
a
driving
skid
track
and
an
underwater
rescue
training
area.
F
F
The
next
slide,
everyone
is
obviously
familiar
with
legislative
plaza
and
the
war
memorial
plaza.
This
slide
shows
conceptual
ideas
for
the
interior
space
of
the
building
and
a
new
plaza
area.
We
asked
the
executive
committee
for
our
master
planning
project
to
review
a
number
of
ideas
from
a
design
consultant
to
provide
a
new
direction
for
the
use
of
lp
and
the
plaza
since
we
no
longer
need
lp
for
offices
or
hearing
rooms.
We
believe
a
new
design
would
include
a
new
and
expanded
military
branch
museum.
F
That's
currently
in
the
war
memorial
building,
a
visitor
center
and
theater
conference
rooms
and
offices
that
would
be
available
for
state
agencies
and
groups
coming
to
capitol
hill.
For
the
day,
we
believe
the
war
memorial
plaza
should
be
renovated
to
provide
a
more
park-like
environment.
You'll
see
a
couple
of
those
images
there
where
we
would
then
take
out
the
old
fountains
that
don't
work
and
we
will
replace
them
with
a
new
water
feature.
F
F
F
This
total
project
for
all
four
would
be
72
million
dollars
to
replace
these
old
buildings,
with
new
state-of-the-art
facilities
similar
to
the
one
that
you
see
in
this
picture
that
we
are
now
opening
in
knoxville
and
similar
to
the
one
we
did
last
year
in
jackson,
these
facilities
will
accommodate
all
current
operational
needs
and
provide
the
space
necessary
for
our
troopers
and
their
staff
in
their
in
those
respective
areas.
Many
of
these
old
headquarter
buildings
are
upwards
of
60
years
old
and
are
in
condition
that
warrants
a
new
facility.
F
Like
now
to
talk
about
a
couple
of
the
projects
that
we
call
in
programming,
the
first
one
is
the
regional
mental
health
institute.
That's
the
one
down
chattanooga
this
this
place
is
called
moccasin
bend.
If
you
know
that
name
by
short,
it's
literally
on
moccasin
bend
near
the
river.
This
facility
was
built
in
the
1960s
and
continues
to
need
extensive
repairs
and
renovations.
The
department
of
mental
health
and
substance
abuse
services
is
currently
studying
the
long-term
needs
for
this
facility.
F
F
F
Regular
repairs
and
maintenance
are
a
daily
occurrence
in
this
facility,
and
a
number
of
capital
projects
are
needed
to
continue
operations
there
and
it
has
kids
24
7.
In
this
facility
we
have
developed
a
conceptual
plan
for
a
new
facility,
but
no
decision
again
has
been
made
at
this
time
until
there's
more
study
that
that
has
to
occur
for
there.
A
So
we're
going
to
talk
now
we're
going
to
talk
now
about
the
future
of
real
estate.
That
was
one
of
the
items
that
chair
hazelwood
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
covered
today.
So
let's
go
there.
First
thing
we
get
to
talk
about
is
something
I'm
very
excited
about.
It's
called
the
state
of
tennessee
excess
property
strategy
or
what
we
call
steps,
because
of
course
we
have
to
have
an
acronym
for
everything.
But
stepps
is
the
initiative
to
eliminate
excess
property
real
estate
property
and
to
relieve
the
state
of
cost
for
unneeded
space
or
property.
A
This
initiative
requires
that
each
state
agency
evaluate
the
properties
under
their
jurisdiction
annually
and
determine
if
they
are
needed
in
the
long
run,
for
the
execution
of
their
mission.
There's
a
lot
of
property,
that's
under
the
jurisdiction
of
the
department
of
general
services,
but
there
are
still
properties
that
are
held
within
the
jurisdiction
of
particular
agencies.
So
we're
going
to
be
studying
all
of
this
property
together.
A
Sometimes
that
evaluation
may
lead
us
to
understanding
that
there
is
something
new
that
is
needed
that
we
didn't
know
about,
but
really
what
we're
going
to
be.
Looking
for
is
properties
that
are
excess
and
not
needed
in
the
long
term
for
a
particular
department
to
really
fulfill
its
mission.
If
that's
the
case,
we
can
dispose
of
those
properties
that
are
no
longer
needed
in
the
future.
A
A
Another
example
is,
of
course,
the
old
tennessee
state
prison.
It
is
not
functioning
now
for
the
department
of
corrections.
You
guys
know
what
happened
there.
The
tornado
came
through.
They
have
moved
off
that
department
of
corrections.
Now
we
can
go
ahead
and
take
that
property
to
the
state
building.
Commission
have
them
declare
surplus
and
we'll
be
able
to
turn
that
back
to
the
private
sector.
A
A
third
property
would
be
so
second
avenue
just
right
down.
Here
we
had
the
single
story:
buildings
for
dhs
for
dcs.
You
know
one
building
was
taken
down
by
the
tornado,
the
other
one
was
damaged
to
the
jury
that
it
could
not
be
repaired.
We
sold
that
property
this
year
for
31.5
million
dollars,
so
this
is
really
the
goal
for
us
is
to
make
sure
that
we
can
find
these
excess
properties
and
return
them
to
the
private
sector.
A
We
plan
to
launch
an
online
interactive
gis
map
enabled
dashboard,
and
that's
what
you're
seeing
right
here
in
the
slide
it
will
be
available
to
the
public.
The
dashboard
will
showcase
properties
by
a
variety
of
filters.
You
can
look
at
it
by
county.
You
could
look
at
it
for
all
an
agency,
all
the
property,
for
example,
that
general
services
or
the
department
of
health
may
have.
You
can
also
look
at
it
by
legislative
district
and
that's
what
we've
shown
here.
A
A
So
we've
always
had
a
mission
of
reducing
real
estate
when
it's
not
needed,
but
this
mission
and
steps
really
puts
this
mission
into
action.
So
there's
some
key
goals
that
we
really
do
intend
to
achieve
with
steps.
First
of
all
to
confirm
that
we
have
a
real
baseline
of
real
property
with
our
state
agencies.
Again,
this
has
never
been
done.
I
think
we're
at
99.5
percent
on
making
sure
we
have
all
of
that
property
together,
but
we've
never
had
it
all
in
one
place.
So
it's
super
exciting
to
be
able
to
have
that.
A
We
want
to
assist
our
agencies
in
the
development
of
a
10-year
plan.
We
want
to
help
them
understand
what
they
need
and
what
they
don't
need
in
the
way
of
property
to
help
support
their
mission.
We
want
to
eliminate
extra
property
and
space
and
we
want
to
eliminate
the
costs
associated
of
keeping
that
space
and
that
property.
A
So,
finally,
we
want
to
return
properties
to
the
local
tax
base
and
that's
going
to
be
very
popular,
I'm
sure
so.
We've
always
been
focusing
on
real
estate
needs.
We
certainly
have
since
2015
in
this
department,
and
I
wanted
to
show
you
that
as
well.
If
you
look
on
the
right
side
of
this
diagram,
you'll
see
that
just
since
2015
we
have
eliminated
1.2
million
square
feet
from
our
state's
portfolio,
we've
also
disposed
of
1800
acres,
and
that
has
been
able
to
allow
us
to
collect
almost
95
million
dollars
back
for
the
state.
F
B
F
Let
me
cut
to
the
chase.
The
bottom
line
to
this
is
over
since
2011
and
frankly,
by
the
end
of
2025.
This
graph
will
show
you
that
we
will
eliminate
1.4
million
square
feet
of
a
state-owned
space
and
over
700
000
square
feet
of
lease
space.
So
we
put
some
numbers
up
up
on
this
chart
that
says
that
annually,
that
equates
to
14
million
dollars
of
operating
expenses
that
we're
avoiding
paying
and
then
also
11
million
dollars
of
rent.
F
F
F
At
that
point,
too
selling
citizens
plaza
and
those
second
avenue
properties
that
commissioner
branson
talked
about
that's
more
than
80
million
dollars
that
are
returned
back
to
the
state
and
then
finally,
we
will
get
out
of
more
than
four
hundred
thousand
square
feet
of
lease
space
just
here
in
davidson
county,
and
that
is
more
than
eight
million
dollars
a
year
of
annual
recurring
lease
payments
that
we
don't
need
to
make.
So
what's
next,
just
a
couple
of
quick
slides
here
to
go
through.
F
We
want
to
look
at
the
other
metropolitan
areas,
so
in
knoxville,
chattanooga
and
memphis
you'll
see
this
chart.
The
blue
area
is
lease
space,
so
in
those
urban
areas
we
have
mostly
lease
space,
not
own
space,
like
we
do
here
in
the
in
the
nashville
area.
So
what
we
want
to
do
is
take
a
look
at
the
final
slide
show
you,
I
know,
there's
a
lot
going
on
on
this
slide,
but
in
2029
the
large
bar
there
is
that's
where
those
large
leaf
spaces
in
those
metropolitan
areas
will
be
coming
due.
F
So
our
master
plan
that
we're
doing
this
year,
phase
two
of
that
master
plan
is
going
to
be
now
looking
at
those
other
metropolitan
areas
so
that
we
have
a
plan.
Do
we
need
to
continue
to
lease
in
those
areas
or
should
we
own
a
building?
Should
we
buy
one?
Should
we
construct
one
and
that's
what
the
master
plan
is
going
to
look
at
what
we
do
know
from
our
project?
Tetris,
that's
going
on
now
in
our
aws
activities.
F
A
B
You
and
I
do
have
several
people
on
the
list,
but
before
I
forget,
I
wanted
to
ask
mr
webb,
when
you
were
talking
about
the
17
county
facilities
or
I'm
sorry,
the
rural
counties
and
the
dollars
that
would
be
available
for
things
like
roofs
and
parking,
lots
that
there
would
be
a
pot
of
money.
For
that
is
there
going
to
be
some
grant
proposal,
I
mean.
Are
we
going
to
what
sort
of
check
and
balance
are
we
going
to
have
on?
E
So
it
should
have
enough
check
and
balance
and
we'll
continue
to
develop
that
as
we
go,
we
had
one
more
thing:
it
was
the
unspent
money
that
I
think
that
we're
open
to
that
idea.
I
think
you
know
to
think
that
we've
got
it
nailed
down
to
what
each
county
will
actually
need.
You
know
it's
a
guesstimate
at
this
point
and
if
we
need
to
redirect
funds,
then
then
I
think
we've
got
flexibility
to
do
that.
C
E
Yes,
sir,
we
we
designed
it
so
that
I
guess
our
original
intent
was
for
counties
to
use
their
arp
money,
but
we
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
competition
for
that
arp
allocation,
and
so
you
know
any
funding
sources
available
for
a
match
when
we're
talking
about
new
construction,
an
in-kind
match
of
the
land
donation.
You
know
as
long
as
it
meets
a
certain
threshold,
we'd
be
fine
with
that.
In
a
general
sense,
the
match
would
be
25
of
the
project,
but
not
to
exceed
10
of
their
arp
allocation.
D
D
E
That's
a
good
question:
when
we
throw
out
the
200
million
dollar,
that
is
an
all-inclusive
number,
so
that
would
be
the
brick
and
mortar
plus
equipment.
Now
that
doesn't
mean
we're
buying
all
new
stuff
right.
We've
got
stuff
that
we
currently
use,
that
are
that's
good
equipment
that
will
transfer
from
the
old
lab
into
the
new
lab.
E
J
Thank
you,
commissioners,
oh,
but
I
had
a
quick
question.
Obviously
I'm
in
the
construction
business
every
day
see
the
graph.
I
was
looking
for
a
waste
paper
basket
over
here,
so
it's
it's
very
difficult
to
deal
in
the
market
today.
I
guess
the
question
is:
is
when
you
do
budgets
for
these?
How
are
we
calculating?
You
know
most
of
the
projects
you
just
you
discussed,
aren't
going
to
be
delivered
until
25
fall.
26..
J
A
We
came
to
this
committee
back
in
2020
and
let
you
guys
know
that
we
were
bringing
on
a
construction
estimator
as
an
additional
consultant,
because
we
didn't
have
that
before
we've
been
relying
on
designers
estimates,
the
designers
did
a
good
job
but
they're
not
working
in
the
market
every
single
day
and
we
wanted
an
estimator
who
worked
every
single
day
in
construction
pricing.
So
we
brought
that
estimate
estimate
into
our
pool
of
consultants.
A
The
state
building
commission
approved
us
to
do
that
and
we've
been
relying
on
those
services
for
the
last
couple
of
years
and
it
really
has
paid
off,
especially
on
a
lot
of
our
larger
projects.
So
we
are
very
careful
that
we
get
good
estimates
and
then
we're
also
very
careful
that
we
add
in
a
rate
of
inflation.
When
I
first
came
here
in
2019,
we
were
looking
about
a
four
percent
inflation
per
year.
We're
well
beyond
that
now.
A
But
you
know
we
were
working
in
a
very
hot
market
before
covet
ever
came.
The
pandemic
ever
happened
before
inflation
ever
hit
us
like
it
has.
So
we
were
already
making
some
adjustments
to
deal
with
the
rate
of
inflation.
We
were
seeing
now
we're
calculating
anywhere
from
10
to
12
percent
of
inflation
per
year.
Obviously,
the
material
cost
makes
us
rethink
that
and
consider
what
we
need
to
do
for
the
next
year.
A
But
the
other
thing
we
do
is
we
make
sure
we
have
healthy
but
reasonable
contingencies
in
our
construction
projects
and
it
really
kind
of
depends
you're
in
construction.
You
know
this.
If
it's
a
greenfield
type
development,
our
contingency
number
doesn't
need
to
be
as
much
when
we
go
renovate
legislative
plaza.
I
can
tell
you
we're
going
to
have
a
healthy
contingency
in
there,
because
we
don't
really
know
what
we're
getting
into
until
we
take
a
wall
down.
A
Anything
that's
left
over
from
our
inflation
add-on
or
from
our
contingency
of
course,
comes
right
back
to
government
coffers.
So
it's
important
to
know
that.
I
think
the
last
thing
I
would
say
is
that
last
year
80
of
our
bids
came
in
within
our
dead
target,
which
is
huge.
I
mean
that
we've
not
had
that
kind
of
experience
in
the
past,
so
the
the
measures
we've
taken
are
paying
off.
J
A
Well,
if,
if
I
did,
I
would
tell
everybody,
but
I
don't
know
what
the
strategies
are
necessarily.
We
are
working
with
our
suppliers
and
our
vendors
to
see
how
long
we
have
for
lead
times
on
certain
things.
You
know
one
of
the
the
one
of
the
the
negatives
to
the
state
process.
There's
lots
of
positive
one
of
the
negatives.
If
we
can't
really
go
ahead
and
pre-order
windows
when
we
need
them,
so
we
can't
do
that
until
we
actually
have
a
signed
contract.
So
that's
when
a
contractor
is
released
to
go
ahead
in
order.
A
That
puts
us
a
little
bit
behind.
We
looked
at
working
doing
some
work,
for
example
at
wilder,
which
you
saw
up
here
earlier.
We
do
need
to
make
some
short-term
adjustments
to
that
facility,
and
windows
is
one
of
those
questions.
When
will
we
get
windows
and
they're
saying
right
now
we
have
a
three
to
four
month
lead
time.
I
don't
think
there's
an
easy
solution
for
anybody.
That's
in
construction,
but
you
know
we're
going
to
be
as
creative
as
we
can
to
try
to
avoid
those
supply
chain
issues
affecting
our
completion
schedules.
J
J
A
J
A
So
that
may
be
that
we
have
a
lot.
We
do
have
lots
of
capital
maintenance
projects
for
tdoc
that
are
funded.
I
went
through
that
whole
capital
maintenance
list.
If
you
guys
have
looked
at
that
there
is
a
huge
number
of
capital
maintenance
projects.
We
are
funding,
so
I
would
imagine
it's
several
of
those
that
have
been
combined,
but
I
will
double
check
that,
for
you.
B
J
One
quick,
quick
comment
for
commissioner
turner:
thank
you
for
the
work
you're
doing
it's
a
fantastic
job
really
excited
for
what
you're
doing.
I
guess
one
of
the
questions
I
hear
from
my
district
that
that's
surprising,
is
having
those
three
regional
offices-
great,
I'm
glad
we're
doing
it
180
million
dollars.
We
need
to
do
it,
I'm
happy
with
that.
But
was
there
any
consideration
at
all
into
maybe
going
more
into
the
communities
with
the
180
million
dollars?
J
I
know
one
of
the
biggest
concerns
might
have
I
have
is
if
you
do
have
a
child
that
has
needs
for
therapy
or
other
things
you
can't
get
them
in
cookville.
You
know
you're
looking
at
driving
a
long
ways
away.
I
guess
the
question
is:
did
was
there
any
consideration
or
was
this
having
state-owned
property
the
driving
factor
between
as
to
why
we
did.
G
It
yes,
sir.
Thank
you
appreciate
your
kind
comments
so
to
two-fold.
There
number
one
if
state
property
was
a
big
part
of
that
we
do
have
property
that
we
can
build
on
now.
The
second
part
of
that
was,
the
regional
offices
are
also
going
to
be
equipped
with
mobile
clinics
that
were
able
to
go
into
the
rural
areas
to
deliver
services.
So
a
big
part
of
the
need
we
have
right
now
is
a
lot
of
the
buildings
that
we
have
on
our
campuses.
Right
now
are
70
80
years
old.
G
Part
of
that
is
mobile
accessibility,
both
for
our
behavioral
clinic
clinical
teams,
and
also
proceeding
position
clinics
and
some
of
our
therapy
teams
that
we're
working
with
local
providers
on
and
we're
also
working
on
the
conversation
with
the
department
of
health
around
how
we
can
partner
with
them
better
through
each
of
the
county
health
departments,
to
make
sure
that
we
can
meet
the
needs
of
those
families
in
the
community.
Because
we
know
some
of
them
don't
have
the
ability
to
have
proper
transportation
to
get
back
to
the
regional
offices.
G
D
G
Yes,
sir,
that's
exactly
what
the
answer,
so
they
were
already
housed
on
our
on
our
properties
that
we
have
right
now
that
were
previously
institutions,
so
they're
in
some
of
them
are
in
old
kitchens
old
maintenance
buildings.
The
problem
with,
as
the
infrastructure
has
become
older
and
older,
just
becomes
incompatible
with
the
needs
of
folks
that
come
in
there
that
might
need
wheelchair
assistance.
A
good
example
of
that
in
our
one
of
our
regional
offices.
G
Here
in
nashville,
some
of
the
doors
were
off
some
of
the
hinges
for
privacy
for
bathrooms,
for
changing
that
we
had
to
fix
so
they're
all
already
housed
on
the
regional
properties.
I
can
get
you
more
of
the
information
if
you're
asking
for
specific
costs
around
the
equipment,
because
we
do
do
molds
there,
we
do
fittings.
We
do
all
the
things
that
are
required,
but
I
don't
have
that
number
in
front
of
me
right
now.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
wanted
to
ask
about
the
general
services
and
and
exactly
how
you
have
accounted
for
the
increased
cost.
You
mentioned
some
of
them
with
material
cost,
but
obviously
labor
and
and
the
other
issues
where
in
the
formula
have
you
accounted
for
that,
just
how
and
not
a
real
elaborate
description
description,
but
just
the
basics.
A
C
C
A
A
F
Yes,
sir,
we
have
two
capital
projects
at
the
mega
site
for
the
state
at
this
point
and
they've
been
funded
through
this
special
session,
so
one
is
to
put
in
that
36.5
mile
of
pipeline
that
runs
up
near
covington
will
put
a
pump
station
there
and
then
all
the
way
to
the
mississippi
river.
So
that's
one
project,
the
other
project
is
the
water
plant.
Then
the
wastewater
treatment
plant,
along
with
a
lagoon
and
and
wells
and
another
water
tower
that's
a
different
capital
project.
So
in
both
of
those
projects
we
already
have
the
contractor.
C
A
K
D
So
we
did,
we
did
fund,
I
didn't
know
it
was
referred
to
as
court
square,
but
it
we
did
fund
last
year,
five
million
dollars.
We
we
actually
doubled
that
this
year
to
to
fund
10
million
dollars
that
goes
to
ecd
for
available
grants
for
those
I
think
it
was.
I
thought
it
was
labeled
historic
type
of
renovations
for
downtowns,
so
we
will
double
check
that,
but
I
think
that's
what
you're
referring
to
that
stills
in
the
budget
this
year.
C
C
D
There
there
really
is
is
not
one.
I
know
that
that
one
of
the
reasons
we
put
in
an
additional
5
million
this
year
is
because
there
was
more
demand
from
last
year
than
than
the
5
million
dollars
it.
It
went
very
quickly
and
so
we'll
we
continued
to
fund
that
out
of
non-recurring
dollars
because
of
the
caution
that
we've
discussed
and
been
talking
about.
So
at
this
point
you
know
we
will
continue
to
look
at
that
as
a
as
a
non-recurring
item.
C
D
D
I
mean
we
can
give
you
the
rough
numbers
as
to
how
we
derive
the
647,
of
course,
but
they're
still
a
little
variable
at
this
point
till
we
finalize
and
if
we
need,
if
we
end
up
being
less
than
that,
then
obviously,
as
commissioner
pointed
out,
those
funds
would
would
be
retained
for
future
use.
If,
if
not,
that
would
be
coming
back
to
you.
But.
D
Good
question
I'll
I'll
I'll
take
the
first
stab
and
commissioner
can
add
too,
but
I
I
think,
with
the
improvements
that
we
put
in
this
year's
budget
of
some
additional
support
to
be
able
to
do
that.
It
will
allow
us
to
to
accomplish
that.
We
may.
We
may
need
to
continue
to
look
at
that
as
we
go
because
tremendous
amount
of
additional
workload
here
to
to
accomplish
these
goals,
and
so
we'll
we'll
continue
to
evaluate
that.
A
Yeah
and
just
I'll
just
add
to
that,
every
position
that
we
asked
for
was
funded,
so
we
we
came
up
with
that
number.
After
studying
the
number
of
projects
and
our
own
resources
internally
in
our
department
and
the
the
governor
and
fna
funded
all
the
positions
that
we
requested,
but
we
will
be
working
very
closely
with
commissioner
ely
and
the
fna
department
to
manage
the
volume
of
work
and
to
prioritize
those
projects,
so
they're
going
to
be
brought
to
the
state
building
commission
in
a
little
more
staggered
fashion.
B
And
just
a
cautionary
note
from
the
cheap
person
on
the
ds,
I
would
hope
that
we
recognize
that
this.
These
are
unprecedented
dollars,
they're
not
going
to
always
be
in
our
budget,
yes,
and
when
those
dollars
flow
through,
then
I
would
hope
that
we
are
looking
at
at
those
positions
and
maybe
they're
not
recurring
forever
more-
that
there's
there's
an
end
time
based
on.
A
Yeah
so
yeah,
I
will
address
that
if
that's
okay,
so
we
did
look
at
when
we're
looking
at
staffing
and
how
many
people
we
would
need
to
address
the
volume
of
work
coming
in.
One
of
the
things
that
we
recognize
is
that
we
have
several
people
who
are
retiring,
they've
already
expressed
their
retiring
or
they're
eligible
and
they've
hinted
around
about
it.
So
we
do
think
that
by
the
time
we
bring
these
people
in
they
get
fully
trained.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair
commissioners,
the
multi-agency
law
enforcement
training
academy
at
cockrell
penn,
that's
we're
looking
at
once.
That's
completed,
specifically,
I
think,
to
the
telehoma
project,
where
there's
a
lot
of
training
done.
What's
going
to
be
done
with
those
other
properties
that
we're
doing
training
with
now,
are
they
going
to
stay
operational?
Are
they
going
to
be
closed
down,
or
can
you
speak
specifically
to
those
properties.
A
Sure
I
can
start
and
john
may
want
to
follow
up,
but
what
we're
going
to
be
doing
is
we
have
older
properties
they'll
be
well
beyond
their
useful
life.
I'll
give
you
an
example,
as
department
of
safety
and
homeland
security
has
their
thp
training
headquarters
out
at
cloverbottom.
That
property
will
be
going
away.
That's
part
of
our
excess
property
strategy,
it's
property
that
is
beyond
a
reasonable
state
of
repair,
and
so
once
we
move
everyone
over
to
melita
and
we
get
the
facilities
completed
and
move
them
over.
A
We
will
sell
that
property,
but
we
will
have
a
comprehensive
plan
for
how
we
will
do
a
sale
of
the
property,
the
same
kind
of
thing
for
toledo,
which
is
right
around
the
corner
from
the
highway
patrol's
headquarters.
But
that's
what
we
will
be
doing
is
selling
those
properties
they're
in
very
desirable
areas.
We've
gotten
lots
of
questions
about
about
specific
properties
out
there,
so
it
just
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
G
A
A
L
Thank
you,
commissioner,
and
commissioner
and
commissioner,
commissioner,
thank
all
three
of
you
all
and
all
of
your
teams
for
your
hard
work.
Commissioner,
I
want
to
say
specifically,
I've
enjoyed
serving
on
the
master
plan
committee
and
watching
some
of
this
process
on
how
you
are
how
all
of
your
team's
evaluating
which
buildings
to
keep
and
which
ones
to
sell.
L
Specifically,
you
mentioned
citizen
plaza
earlier
I
mean,
obviously
that's
the
one
that
we've
all
been
watching
on
this
committee
for
some
years
and
it's
kind
of
an
obvious
that
it's
that
it's
time
to
sell
that
building
it's
in
prime
real
estate
right
downtown.
What's
the
exact
time
frame,
are
we
in
negotiations?
Is
there
you
know?
Is
there
a
for
sale
sign
out
front?
Is
it
finally
time
or
is
it
still
almost
time.
A
A
Not
all
of
them,
okay,
so
yeah!
There
are
several
meetings.
They
have
to
go
through
so
their
midstream
in
in
getting
that
approval,
and
once
they
do
they'll
go
ahead
and
purchase
that
building
the
good
news
is
they're,
going
to
give
us
time
to
get
the
rachel
polk
main
level
set
up
for
the
tennessee
arts.
Commission.
So
they're
going
to
give
us
another
year
of
free
rent
to.
Let
us
do
that
before.
L
And
that
exactly
you're
we're
sharing
the
same
brain
today.
That
was
my
next
question:
how
what
how
what
length
of
kind
of
a
program
is
that
going
to
be
on
moving
out
of
lease
spaces
to
you
feel
like
we're
going
to
get
to
kind
of
that
good
medium.
Obviously,
we'll
always
have
some
lease
space
and
that'll
make
sense
in
certain
circumstances,
but
what
kind
of
time
frame
are
we
looking
on
operation
tetris
and
on
you
know
specifically
moving
around
some
of
these
lease
spaces
into
government-owned
properties,
so.
A
F
Yeah,
so
here
here
in
davidson
county,
we
have
several
leases.
A
lot
of
them
are
in
the
metro
center
area,
so
they
certainly
expire
at
different
periods
of
time.
There's
one
that
just
expired,
and
so
we
moved
out
of
that
for
our
department
of
revenue.
We
have
others
expiring
by
2024,
so
we
will
move
out
at
that
point.
There
is
one
that
extends
out
to
2031
but
allows
us
to
leave
by
2027.,
so
that
particular
group.
L
Perfect
and
really
just
one
other,
just
kind
of
point-
I
mean
from
the
melita
from
the
capital
projects
from
the
you
know,
parks
and
historic
areas
and
everything
else
I
mean
2.7
billion
dollars.
I
mean
that
that
is
literally
an
historic
investment
in
the
capital
footprint
of
tennessee.
We've
heard
a
lot
of
talk
from
other
states,
the
federal
level
on
investing
in
hard
infrastructure.
L
It's
impressive!
What
you
all
have
put
together
here,
my
humble
opinion
on
how
we're
building
a
foundation
for
tennessee
for
really
probably
the
next
20
or
30
years.
Is
that
really
what
we're
looking
at
with
that
2.7
billion?
Is
I
mean
we're
looking
at
what
this
is
going
to
really
provide
for
for
the
next
few
decades?.
D
D
L
Well,
thank
you.
So
we've
been
we've
been
fixing
broken
windows
and
putting
people
in
offices
that
were
never
designed
for
their
particular
mission
in
the
service
to
tennessee
for
a
long
time,
and
I,
for
one,
am
glad
that
we
are
taking
a
big
step
forward
here
with
surplus
dollars,
with
no
new
debt
to
be
able
to
set
up
that
foundation.
So
again,
thank
you
all
for
your
work
and
thank
you,
madam
chairman,.
B
And
I
think
to
add
to
that,
I'm
appreciative
of
the
fact
that
we're
addressing
our
deferred
maintenance
and
hopefully
we're
we're
funding
maintenance
on
a
going
forward
basis.
So
that
I
mean
this
is
a
relatively
new
building,
but
there's
still
things
that
have
to
be
done
every
year
and
I
think
the
state
got
into
position
years
ago
for
reasons
that
we
can
all
understand
where
things
were
just
put
off
and,
as
you
know,
from
your
own
home
maintenance,
the
longer
you
put
it
off
the
more
it
costs.
B
H
H
G
No
ma'am,
it's
they're
going
to
have
the
same
services,
so
the
mobile
clinics
are
going
to
be
built.
The
same
way
that
we
have
as
our
standalone
clinics
on
our
campuses
to
make
sure
that
we
can
get
to
folks.
Last
thing
we
want
to
do
is
think
is
make
folks
think
they
have
help,
and
then
we
show
up
and
they
don't.
We
don't
have
what
they
need.
G
H
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
and
I
think
that
they
should
so
I
was
kind
of
concerned
that
they
may
not.
You
know
we
still
have
to
try
to
get
into
a
walk-in
clinic.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
I
appreciate
all
the
work
you're
doing
and
everything
that
I've
seen
so
far
in
your
presentation
later
camper.
Thank
you
and
commissioner,
thank
you.
I
appreciate
you
know
what
you
all
are
doing.
I
have
to
agree
with
the
chair
that
deferred
maintenance
has
gone
far
too
long
and
that
we're
addressing
it.
So
I
think
that's
great.
H
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
talk
with
you
the
other
day
we
pretty
much
talked
through
a
lot
of
this,
and
I
appreciated
the
time
you
gave
me
and
I
look
forward
to
continue
conversation,
and
I
know
our
time
is
short.
I
do
have
a
question,
however.
Did
I
did
I
hear
you
or
someone
say
within
this
budget
that
there
was
some
federal
dollars
dollars
used
on
some
of
the
capital
projects,
so,
commissioner,
would.
D
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
commissioner,
I
think
chairman
hicks
had
a
bill
last
year
that
was
doing
something
with
captive
with
insurance
on
our
facilities.
We
were
setting
up
a
fund,
possibly-
or
I
remember
that
was
discussed-
you
may
have
to
refresh
our
memory.
Are
we
gonna
self-insure
these
buildings
in
the
future?
All
this
money
that
we're
putting
in
are
is
tennessee
going
to
insure
these
properties
ourselves.
Are
we
still
gonna
buy
policies
from
somebody
else?
Thank
you.
Manager.
A
A
So
we
make
sure
that
we
have
investment
coming
into
that
to
maintain
the
properties
long
term,
so
for
all
those
facilities
that
are
in
the
facility
revolving
fund,
we
have
the
funds
to
continue
to
make
those
capital
maintenance
projects
happen
to
make
sure
we
take
care
of
operating
and
then
routine
maintenance,
so
that
that
is
one
thing
that
we
do
to
make
sure
we
have
reserves
to
continue
to
operate.
Several
of
those
properties.
D
D
So
that
is
that
is
the
prior
appropriations
from
the
sentencing
act
that
we
changed
last
year
that
y'all
change
the
new
legislation
last
year,
so
it
changed
the
funding
mechanism
for
capital
projects,
as
well
as
that
was
being
captured
as
part
of
that
funding
formula,
and
so
the
change
in
that
resulted
in
these
dollars
that
are
the.
So
that's
the
that's
the
source
of
that.
B
B
Well
again,
I
don't
see
any
further
questions.
I
want
to
thank
you
all
again
for
being
here
today.
Mr
ely,
particularly
you've
spent
a
lot
of
time
with
this
committee
and
with
various
members
of
it,
as
have
other
folks
in
front
of
us.
We
do
appreciate
it
very
much
and
to
commission
turner
with
did's.
B
I
can't
tell
you
how
excited
I
was
to
see
in
this
year's
budget
funding
for
dsps,
that
many
of
us
in
this
committee
have
stood
up
and
fought
for
for
a
long
time,
and
I
know
that
that
you're
a
part
of
that
as
well.
So
there
are
wonderful
things
in
this
budget.
I
I
think
all
of
us
just
want
to
make
sure
that
these
unprecedented
dollars
that
are
raining
down
on
the
state
are
used
in
the
best
way
possible
to
position
us
for
when
with
the
rain
stops
and
we
have
a
drought.
B
B
B
B
B
B
C
C
M
B
B
N
Ma'am,
thank
you
very
much
good
morning,
madam
chair
members
wanted
to
first
introduce
those
at
the
table
with
me
to
my
right
is
dr
stephen
gentile
he
is
t-hec's
chief
policy
officer
to
my
left
is
ut.
President
randy
boyd
to
his
left
is
tbr.
Chancellor
flora
tidings
and
then
at
the
end
of
the
other
table
is
etsu.
President
brian
noland
wanted
to
acknowledge
presidents,
lacari,
mcphee,
glover
and
oldham,
who
are
behind
me,
who
represent
many
of
the
other
locally
governed
institutions.
N
So,
while
president
noland
will
speak
in
a
little
bit
on
their
behalf,
they
are
all
here
with
us
today
happy
to
have
them
here.
So,
madam
chair,
if
it
pleases
you
and
pleases
the
committee,
I
will
go
through
t,
heck's
budget
presentation
and
then
transition
with
dr
gentile
into
the
presentation
about
the
outcomes
based
funding
formula
review,
update
before
handing
the
proverbial
mic
over
to
president
boyd.
If
that's
the
order
in
which
you
would
perform
him,
okay.
B
N
N
I
know
we're
running
against
the
clock,
but
before
speaking
about
the
budget
very
directly
just
wanted
to
give
a
high
level
snapshot
of
what
is
happening
in
higher
education
and
what
has
happened
in
the
past
few
years,
particularly
since
the
covid
pandemic
about
two
years
ago,
which
is
a
little
bit
unreal
to
think
about
over
the
past
couple
of
years.
Enrollment
is
down
at
the
majority
of
our
institutions.
N
We
don't
have
the
data
here
campus
by
campus,
which
I'm
happy
to
provide,
but
overall,
as
an
enterprise,
enrollment
is
down
slightly
in
the
undergraduate
space,
particularly
among
first-time
freshmen.
Very
often,
a
first-time
freshman
is
that
student
coming
right
from
high
school
into
higher
education.
So
we
don't
need
to
to
litigate.
Why
that's
happening,
though?
We
can
definitely
do
so,
but,
as
we
think
about
the
changes
to
the
economy-
and
we
think
about
the
needs
that
students
are
the
the
demands
on
students
that
are
a
little
bit
different
than
they
were
a
few
years
ago.
N
Caring
for
family
members
thinking
very
much
about
online
learning.
Family
and
personal
circumstances
like
that,
so
while
enrollment
is
down
retention,
is
consistent.
Retention
has
not
declined
so
once
a
student
is
actually
at
a
higher
education
institutions,
they
are
institution,
they
are
staying
and
they
are
graduating,
which
is
the
fourth
bullet
that
degree
production
is
up.
N
So
I
won't
go
through
each
of
these
numbers.
This
is
a
very
busy
slide
intentionally
because
the
t
heck
team
and
the
hot
those
who
work
in
higher
ed
across
the
state
are
very
busy.
So,
as
I
just
mentioned
once,
a
student
is
in,
they
do
persist
and
they
do
complete.
So
one
of
the
big
challenges
we
are
seeing
from
the
t-hack
perspective,
as
well
as
the
entire
higher
education
perspective,
is
how
to
get
students
in
to
the
higher
education
institution
that
is
the
best
fit
for
them.
N
That
could
be
a
university
that
could
be
a
community
college
that
could
be
a
tcat
again,
not
going
to
speak
to
each
of
these
numbers
here.
But
many
of
these
numbers
represent
outreach.
Events
touch
points
with
students
and
their
families,
particularly
while
the
students
are
still
in
high
school
in
order
to
talk
to
them
about
what
it
means
to
apply
for
financial
aid
to
receive
financial
aid.
What
does
it
actually
cost
to
go
to
college
in
tennessee,
as
well
as
navigating
all
other
parts
of
that
process?
N
So,
while
we
are
seeing
a
decline
in
enrollment,
the
work
has
not
stopped.
The
work
has
ramped
up
really
as
much
as
ever
to
make
sure
students
have
the
information
that
they
need
about
making
college
going
decisions.
Also
I'll
talk
in
a
little
bit
about
some
proposed
changes
to
some
of
our
scholarship
programs.
A
lot
of
these
numbers
here
as
well
represent
the
numbers
of
students
who
receive
a
hope,
scholarship
or
a
student
assistance
award
or
a
promise
award
a
reconnect
award,
etc.
N
Many
of
these
funds
that
were
delivered
directly
to
the
higher
education
institutions
are
marked
for
students,
so
you
can
see
from
the
line
graphs
here
the
proportions
of
these
funds
that
were
given
directly
to
students
versus
spent
on
institutional
aid
and
funds
that
are
remaining
so
much
much.
Much
of
this
money
did
go
right
into
the
hands
of
students.
We
have
worked
very
closely
from
the
tech
side
to
make
sure
that
all
of
these
funds
for
federal
purposes
are
accounted
for
and
are
used
properly.
N
There
was
some
discussion
earlier,
as
it
relates
to
capital
about
the
parameters
around
some
of
the
funds
for
capital
projects.
This
is
that
is
different
from
this,
but
being
very
specific
and
very
cognizant
of
the
parameters
that
the
federal
government
has
put
around
these
funds
to
make
sure
that
they
are
being
used
properly
again
in
terms
of
what
is
given
directly
to
the
student
versus
what
is
used
by
the
institution.
N
So
as
we
focus
on
operating
funds,
we
will
focus
as
well
on
what
that
means
for
tuition
and
speak.
I
will
speak
about
capital
momentarily
as
well
with
regard
to
just
the
proportions
of
state
appropriations
to
higher
education
versus
tuition
revenue
when
thinking
about
a
tcat
about
60
percent
of
the
funding
for
tcats
come
from
the
state.
40
comes
from
tuition,
it's
about
50
50,
for
the
community
colleges
and
for
the
university
sector
about
35
percent
of
the
overall
funds,
come
from
the
state
65
coming
from
tuition,
so
there
is
a
difference
across
the
board.
N
There
is
some
nuance
there,
but
there
there
is
some
difference
in
terms
of
institutional
sector
where
the
proportions
of
money
are
actually
coming
from.
So
again
the
the
slide.
We
need
to
work
on
that
slide
a
little
bit
because
it's
not
just
a
third,
a
third,
a
third
as
we
talk
about
this,
but
wanted
to
flag
that
for
the
committee
just
to
think
about
how
much
comes
from
the
the
state.
How
much
comes
from
tuition
so
jumping
right
into
governor
lee's
proposed
budget.
This
is
an
exceptional
higher
education
budget.
N
I
don't
think
commissioner
ely
is
still
in
here,
but
many
thanks
to
him
and
to
his
team
to
governor
lee's
team
and
many
thanks
to
you
all
for
engaging
in
this
discussion
today,
highest
higher
education
budget
that
I've
ever
seen.
I
see
chairman
hawk
nodding
that
many
of
us
have
ever
seen
as
well
so
much
much
gratitude,
and
I
know
my
colleagues
share
that
gratitude
as
well.
N
I
want
to
speak
quickly
about
the
outcomes
based
funding
formula
which
you
will
hear
much
more
about
in
a
moment.
The
governor's
proposed
budget
includes
a
90
million
dollar
infusion
or
not
infusion
funding
of
the
outcomes-based
funding
formula.
That
is
the
largest
proposed
investment
ever
and
we'll
talk
more
about
this
in
a
moment,
but
that
means
that
the
state
would
be
paying
the
institutions
for
outcomes
already
produced
and
so
not
wanting
to
get
too
far
ahead
of
the
next
presentation,
but
students
who
persist
students
who
complete
students
who
enter
the
workforce.
N
That's
what
that
90
million
dollars
really
reflects
about
5
million
dollars
for
the
medical
units.
That's
a
different
type
of
funding
formula
for
the
medical
units
from
a
programmatic
side,
50
million
dollars
for
the
governor's
investment
in
vocational
education.
The
give
program,
as
well
as
the
supporting
post-secondary
access
in
rural
communities
spark
program,
could
give
a
whole
presentation
about
that.
Another
time
I
will
not
do
so,
but
really
we
have
seen
just
incredible
outcomes
in
the
first
few
rounds.
N
N
So
I'll
defer
to
chancellor
tidings
on
that-
and
I
mentioned
a
moment
ago,
some
of
our
private
sector
and
our
not-for-profit
partners
there's
about
a
14
million
dollar
proposed
investment
to
tennessee,
achieves
in
order
to
expand
some
of
the
work.
They
are
doing
around
college
coaching,
around
completion
grants
and
all
of
the
above.
So
a
lot
of
exciting
operating
items
in
the
proposed
budget,
corresponding
to
the
90
million
dollar,
proposed
investment
in
the
outcomes
based
funding
formula.
N
Never
wanting
to
get
ahead
of
the
t,
hack,
commission,
the
t
heck
board
will
meet
again
in
may
to
set
a
binding
tuition
increase
range
and
an
increase
in
tuition
and
mandatory
fees
range.
But
with
this
investment
of
90
million
dollars
we
anticipate
and
the
math
kind
of
adds
up.
There
will
be
a
recommendation
for
no
tuition
increase
across
all
of
our
campuses,
so
with
great
appreciation
for
the
investment
proposed
in
this
budget.
That
will
likely
correspond
to
the
recommendation
of
the
t-hec
board
that
students
and
families
do
not
experience
an
increase
in
tuition.
N
I
mentioned
financial
aid
briefly
a
moment
ago.
There
is
about
a
90
million
dollar
proposed
change
to
the
many
of
the
state's
financial
aid
programs.
The
biggest
piece-
and
I
know
president
noland-
will
speak
about
this
as
well
he's
very
excited
about
this,
as
we
all
are,
this
would
res
this
90
million
dollars.
Approximately
is
the
result
of
a
proposed
increase,
in
the
hope
scholarships
for
university
students
to
fifty
one
hundred
dollars
each
year.
N
So
currently,
a
student
who
receives
a
hope
scholarship
at
a
university,
receives
thirty,
five
hundred
thirty
five
hundred
forty
five
hundred
forty
five
hundred.
So
it's
sixteen
thousand
dollars
total
staggered
over
four
years.
This
would
increase
that
total
investment
to
over
twenty
thousand
dollars
over
four
years,
and
it
would
be
the
same
amount
year
over
year.
I
mentioned
earlier
that
the
the
proportion
of
tuition
is
a
little
bit
higher.
The
proportion
of
funds
that
come
from
tuition
in
the
university
space
is
a
little
bit
higher.
N
N
Those
are
10
renovations
and
12
new
projects
and
51
maintenance
projects.
Commissioner
branstam
spoke
a
bit
about
what
a
maintenance
project
is
versus
what
a
renovation
is
versus.
What
new
outlay
is
so
we
are
just
thrilled
chair,
lady
hazelwood
made
a
great
point
about
times
will
not
always
be
this
flush,
and
so,
while
we
are
thinking
and
again
to
chairman
williams,
question
about
what
this
means
in
terms
of
actual
cost
of
construction
timelines
for
construction.
N
What
is
this
going
to
mean
if
a
building
is
not
complete
for
another
four
or
five
ten
years,
as
it
relates
to
inflation
and
materials
cost?
All
of
that?
All
of
those
things
notwithstanding
very
excited
about
this
one-time
investment,
both
in
maintenance
renovation
and
in
new
la
I
mentioned
a
moment
ago
about
tuition.
You've
all
seen
this
slide
before.
N
So
in
2016
post
the
focus
act,
t-hec's
role
in
determining
increases
to
tuition
was
a
little
bit
different
and
since
that
time,
before
that
time,
even
we
have
seen
the
lowest
recommended
and
then
binding
increases
to
tuition
that
we
have
ever
seen
in
public
public
higher
ed
across
the
state
across
time.
So
we
should
all
be
very
proud
of
that
again.
I
don't
want
to
step
on
the
toes
of
the
tech
commission,
but
our
recommendation
to
them
in
may
will
be
for
a
zero
percent
tuition
increase
unless
much
changes
between
now
and
then.
N
In
light
of
this
investment
of
90
million
dollars
into
the
funding
formula.
Not
many
other
states
can
say
this.
This
is
reflective
of
the
general
assembly's
commitment
to
higher
education,
as
well
as
various
gubernatorial
administrations,
including
the
current
one,
as
well
as
the
great
action
of
the
the
t
hack
board
and
the
commitment
of
the
board
to
make
sure
college
is
college.
Broadly
defined
is
as
affordable
as
possible
for
students
and
their
families
mention
capital.
N
Earlier
here's
just
a
little
bit
more
detail,
madam
chair,
and
then
we
can
move
on
to
the
discussion
about
the
funding
formula
about
110
million
dollars
in
capital
maintenance
proposed
and
about
1.2
billion
in
renovation
and
outlay
proposed.
Dr
noland,
I
know
we'll
speak
about
the
tsu
strategic
initiative,
I'm
not
sure
if
dr
glover
is
still
with
us.
N
N
All
right,
thank
you
again,
madam
chair
members,
for
the
extended
time
to
speak
about
another
issue
that
is
often
top
of
mind
for
us
at
t
heck,
particularly
dr
gentile,
but
for
many
higher
education
stakeholders
as
well,
so
just
for
a
bit
of
context
before
jumping
right
in
the
outcomes
based
funding
formula
was
established
in
2010
as
a
part
of
the
complete
college.
Tennessee
act.
Tennessee
remains
the
only
state
in
the
nation
that
funds
all
of
its
public
higher
education
entities
via
outcomes,
so
institutions
are
not
funded.
N
Tcats,
I
suppose,
are
the
exception
to
that,
but
our
universities
and
our
community
colleges
are
funded
solely
on
outcomes
not
on
enrollment,
and
that
is
something
where
tennessee
has
been
a
leader.
We
continue
to
be
a
leader.
We
are
the
only
state
for
whom
that
is
the
case
every
five
years.
We
do
a
formal
review
of
the
outcomes
based
funding
formula
again
it
was
implemented
in
2010.
N
We
did
our
first
five-year
review
in
2015..
We
began
the
next
five-year
review
in
2020.
We
all
know
what
happened
in
2020,
so
we
picked
it
back
up
again
in
2021
and
are
presenting
this
update
to
you
all
today.
Just
for
the
sake
of
clarity,
however,
we
do
formally
review
the
funding
formula
every
five
years.
However,
we
convene
the
statutory
funding
formula
review
committee
and
I'll
tell
you
about
its
composition
in
a
moment
each
year
to
address
any
burning
issues,
any
big
problems
tweak
any
technicalities
or
anything
like
that.
N
N
So
what
you
see
here
are
the
outcomes
that
are
included
in
each
of
the
formulas
for
the
university
side
of
the
house
in
the
community
college
side
of
the
house.
So
they
look
very
similar,
but
they
are
a
little
bit
different
as
we
think
about
institutional
priorities
and
we
think
about
the
missions
of
each
type
of
institution.
N
The
outcomes
that
are
listed
in
bold
are
those
that
are
eligible
for
a
premium,
and
this
is
going
to
be
relevant
in
a
moment
as
we
speak
about
another
one
of
the
proposed
changes
to
the
outcomes
based
funding
formula.
So
there
are
three
student
subpopulations
that
are
eligible
for
a
premium
in
this
funding
formula.
The
first
is
an
adult
learner.
N
The
second
is
a
low-income
student
as
defined
by
being
pell
grant
eligible,
and
the
third
is
a
student
in
the
community
college
side,
who
is
academically
underprepared
and
that
can
be
designated
in
a
number
of
ways,
including
a
standardized
test,
store
score
a
placement
test,
whatever
the
case
might
be
so
adult
learners.
Students
who
are
low-income
students
who
are
academically
under-prepared
in
the
community
colleges
are
the
three
subpopulations
of
students
that
are
eligible
for
a
premium.
N
What
that
means
is
when
a
student,
for
example,
at
ut,
knoxville
or
at
one
of
the
universities,
is
an
adult
and
that
adult
persists
to
accumulate
30
credit
hours
or
then
accumulates
60
hours.
That
is
worth
not
one
but
1.8
outcomes.
So
there's
a
premium
placed
on
these
students
who
may
need
some
extra
support.
The
institution
may
need
resource
additional
resources
or
different
resources
in
order
to
get
them
across
that
graduation
stage.
N
Moving
very
quickly
to
the
actual
structure
of
the
funding
formula
review
committee.
This
committee's
composition
is
dictated
in
statute.
I
won't
read
off
who
serves
on
this
committee,
but
surely
hazelwood
you
and
your
team
have
been
so
wonderful
as
well
as
other
colleagues
in
the
general
assembly.
In
terms
of
engagement
with
this
committee,
there
is
representation
from
the
executive
branch
as
well
in
the
form
of
commissioner
ely,
as
well
as
all
of
our
institutions
and
systems
represented
as
well
and
again.
This
group
meets
each
year
but
meets
to
do
the
the
big.
N
I
don't
want
to
say
overhaul,
because
that's
not
what
this
is,
but
the
big
conversation
about
bigger
changes
every
five
years
and
just
with
regard
to
timeline.
This
has
been
a
little
bit
drawn
out.
As
I
mentioned,
we
began
this
process
in
january
february,
2020
before
everything
shut
down
and
changed,
but
what
we
did
over
the
course
of
2021
was
convene.
A
working
group
crystal
collins
from
t-hex
fiscal
team
is
sitting
behind
me.
She
was
really
the
tip
of
the
spear
on
this
work
and
convened
a
working
group
monthly
throughout
the
spring
of
2021.
N
The
formula
review
committee
comprised
of
these
folks
met
formally
in
july
of
last
year
in
september
of
last
year
before
the
tech
team
brought
an
update
on
recommended
changes
to
our
board
in
the
form
of
just
kind
of
an
update
in
july,
a
little
bit
more
formal,
an
update
this
past
november,
and
we
are
currently
at
the
red
box,
and
this
is
the
last
committee.
I
think
that
we
will
be
presenting
to
so
hopefully
best
for
last
for
sure.
N
Hopefully,
the
presentation
reflects
that
we
have
given
it
four
times
already
and
if
not
that's
okay,
too.
So
after
seeking
any
feedback
from
you
all
and
your
colleagues,
we
will
go
back
to
our
board.
We
will
convene
this
group
again
this
summer
and
we'll
kind
of
go
through
the
rest
of
the
the
snake
here
at
this
process.
N
Okay,
there
are
four
proposed
changes
to
the
outcomes
based
funding
formula
that
I
will
go
through
briefly,
and
you
can
see
them
on
the
slide
here.
I
think
it's
important
to
note
just
because
we
just
I
just
spoke
very
briefly
about
the
budget,
which
includes
a
90
million
dollar
investment
into
the
outcomes
based
funding
formula.
I
think
it
is
important
to
note
that
these
proposed
changes,
if
implemented
by
the
t,
heck
board,
would
not
take
effect
until
next
year,
so
there
is
still
room
for
discussion.
N
The
the
recommendation
included
in
the
governor's
budget
does
not
reflect
these
four
proposed
changes
just
to
be
clear.
So
I
mentioned
a
moment
ago,
three
student
subgroups
who
are
eligible
for
premia
in
the
formula.
It
is
our
proposal
that
we
also
include
a
fourth
premium
and
that
is
for
degrees
that
are
produced
in
high
need
fields,
so
workforce
demand.
Thinking
about.
N
We
could
probably
all
recite
many
of
these
areas
by
heart,
but
as
we
think
about
agricultural
agricultural
sciences,
engineering,
we
think
about
health
professions
and
we
think
about
long-term
labor
growth
for
tennessee's
economy,
one.
This
would
incent
institutions
to
help
students
through
these
programs.
Also,
it
very
often-
and
my
colleagues
can
speak
much
more
to
this.
N
It
very
often
costs
more
to
train
an
engineer
than
it
does
a
public
policy
major,
and
I
say
that
with
love
as
a
public
policy
major,
it
costs
a
little
bit
less
to
think
about
to
think
about
lab
space,
and
things
like
that.
So,
while
this
is
different
in
that
it
is
not
a
subgroup
of
students,
it
would
be
the
major
that
the
students
are
pursuing.
Our
proposal
is
that
there
would
be
a
premium
placed
on
these
degrees
produced
as
well.
N
Also
too,
it's
worth
noting
many
thanks
to
the
department
of
labor
commissioner
mccord,
as
well
as
commissioner
rolfe
and
his
team
at
ecd.
We
did
not
just
choose
these
fields
and
these
majors
out
of
the
air.
We
aligned
our
suggestions,
our
pro
with
very
closely
with
their
projections,
so
our
recommended
programs
and
majors
are
aligned
very
closely
with
their
projections.
N
This.
The
second
item
relates
to
workforce
training.
This
is
typically
occurring
in
the
community
college
space.
It
was
the
case,
for
example,
that
if
someone
was
trained
at
a
community
college
in
the
example,
we
often
use
as
osha
how
to
be
an
osha
supervisor
and
that
person
then
went
on
to
train
10
more
people.
N
It
was
the
case
that
the
outcomes
based
funding
formula
was
counting
that
as
11
outcomes.
Our
proposal
is
that
we
change
that
just
to
one.
So
just
the
person
who
is
directly
trained
by
the
institution
counts
as
an
outcome.
Anyone
subsequently
trained
by
that
individual
does
not,
as
we
think,
about
fixed
costs.
Again,
we
keep
going
back
to
these
discussions
about
capital.
The
way
fixed
costs
are
included
in
the
funding
formula,
and
these
include
rent
include
rent
equipment.
Operating
space
is
a
little
bit
misaligned.
N
The
way
in
which
fixed
costs
are
included
in
the
outcomes
based
funding
formula
do
not
account
for
either
of
those
things.
I
just
said
there
is
an
incentive
to
not
renovate
space.
There
is
an
incentive
to
increase
the
footprint
such
that
the
money
that
flows
through
the
funding
formula
for
fixed
costs
would
increase.
N
Finally,
the
last
item
and
then
I'll
wrap
up,
madam
chair
is
just
a
technical
change.
It
has
always
been
the
case,
as
I
mentioned,
that
low-income
students
are
eligible
for
a
premium
in
the
outcomes-based
funding
formula
due
to
a
data
limitation.
That
is
no
longer
a
limitation.
We
have
not
been
able
to
include
that
premium
for
students
coming
in
from
out
of
state
who
are
low
income.
N
We
are
now
able
to
identify
those
students
and
include
them
as
well
in
that
group
that
receives
the
premium,
so
that
is
really
just
a
data
change,
not
a
philosophical
or
fundamental
change
to
the
formula
itself.
Dr
gentile
did
I
miss
anything,
okay,
great.
So
with
that,
madam
chair,
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions.
Thank
you
for
your
time
committee.
I
know
that
was
a
lot
of
me
talking,
so
I
welcome
any
questions
and
always
appreciate
the
the
time
and
attention.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
dr
house,
very
comprehensive,
and
I
know
that
there
are
a
number
of
questions.
Let's
start
with
just
a
very
basic
one.
When
we
talk
about
adult
learners,
how
do
we
define
that?
Because,
theoretically,
every
student
at
college,
if
they're,
18
and
above
they're
adults?
How?
How
do
we
define
adult
so.
N
Very
crudely,
it
is
very
often
a
student
who
is
age,
24
or
older.
That's
very
crudely,
a
little
bit
more
nuanced
is
any
student
who
is
able
to
file
as
an
independent
on
the
fafsa.
So
when
a
student
applies
for
financial
aid
using
the
free
application
for
federal
student
aid,
the
fafsa
they
are
able
to
indicate
whether
they
are
dependent
on
their
parents
or
other
family
members
or
independent.
B
N
Not
necessarily,
but
via
a
number
of
other
tweaks,
we
are
making
to
other
pieces
of
the
financial
aid
package.
We
are
ensuring
that
any
parameters
the
state
has
in
terms
of
financial
aid
for
foster
youth
are
consistent
with
those
of
the
federal
government.
So
I
don't
believe
that
they
would
necessarily
be
independent,
but
there
are
going
to
be
better
aligned,
discussions
and
policies
around
how
those
students
can
access
aid.
C
N
Yes,
sir,
so
in
the
past
couple
rounds
of
give,
there
have
been
probably
about
and
I'm
happy
to
get
you
the
the
specific
number,
sir,
about
40
applicants.
In
each
of
the
years
we've
been
able
to
fund
27
or
28
of
those
grants.
In
some
years
the
maximum
grant
amount
was
close
to
a
million
dollars
in
the
earlier
years.
N
C
E
B
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
in
addition
to
saying
go
vols
as
I
do
every
year,
I
have
to
personally
welcome
president
boyd
and
david
miller
since
they're
the
two
people
in
the
room
that
can
vote
for
me.
So
these
are
my
honored
guests,
and
so
I
just
want
to
thank
you
guys
for
being
here
director.
Just
a
quick
question
related
to
knox
promise.
G
That
program
exists
because
of
the
leadership
of
president
boyd
generosity
of
the
haslam
foundation
and
there's
a
14.4
14.5
million
non-recurring
in
the
budget
for
the
pilot
program.
Can
you
talk
about
just
a
little
bit
how
that
was
chosen,
the
14.5
and
how
specifically
knox
promise
was
chosen
for
that.
N
So,
sir,
I
can't
actually
speak
to
the
number
itself.
I
don't
know
if
president
boyd
has
any
insight
there,
but
given
the
early
successes
we
have
seen
of
tennessee
achieves
getting
more
into
the
college.
Coaching
work
as
well
as
some
of
the
initiative
around
the
haslam
family's
investment
in
knox
promise,
which
included
some
of
those
completion
grants
that,
as
far
as
I
understand,
is
the
rationale
for
why
they
were
chosen
as
the
partner
and
with
the
chair's
permission,
I
think
president
boyd
can
speak
to
that
more
eloquently.
O
Come
on,
thank
you
chairman,
and
thank
you
for
the
question
chairman
of
zachary.
So
there's
a
program
called
or
completion
grants
called
the
panther
grants
at
georgia,
state
and
the
state
of
georgia.
That
has
been
widely
acclaimed
as
being
one
of
the
most
successful
programs
to
help
students
stay
in
college
and
graduate.
So
the
knox
promise
was
based
on
that
model.
It's
not
something
that
we
made
up.
O
We
just
wanted
to
test
to
prove
that
it's
work,
what's
working
in
other
states
could
work
in
knox
county,
so
the
house
was
provided
to
grant
money
for
us
to
pilot
it
to
duplicate
it
in
knox
county
and
it's
the
most
successful
thing.
I've
ever
seen
in
college
completion.
I
used
to
be
chairman
of
something
called
complete
tennessee,
which
was
focused
on
all
sorts
of
initiatives
around
completing
college
and
college
retention.
This
program
providing
grants,
emergency
grants
for
students
that
get
in
trouble.
Your
radiator
goes
out.
O
You
need
170
small
things
like
that,
make
all
the
difference
in
the
world,
so
they
have
the
grants,
along
with
a
bunch
of
counselors,
to
help
manage
the
students
that
need
these
grants.
The
completion
rate
in
the
first
year,
with
this
program
in
knox
county
increased
completion
by
over
30
percent.
It's
off
the
charts,
nothing
that
I
would
like
I've
ever
seen
before.
So
it's
incredibly
successful,
and
so
the
the
request
of
the
14.5
million
is
to
roll
that
out
across
the
state.
It
costs
2.3
million
dollars
per
year.
O
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
just
just
a
quick
comment,
one
with
all
sincerity.
Thank
you
for
your
leadership.
Most
people
just
now
think
of
you,
as
the
president
of
ut
you've
been
making
investments,
whether
it's
with
ecd
or
in
education,
specifically
impacting
knox
county.
That's
made
a
difference
across
our
state.
G
This
is
one
more
initiative
that
you've
been
the
primary
driver
of
that
is
going
to
sweep
across
the
state
and
the
significant
investment
we're
able
to
make
financially
this
year
is
an
investment
in
tennessee's
future,
and
this
is
a
big
part
of
it
with
significant
return.
So
thank
you
and
thank
you.
H
H
N
Yes,
ma'am
so
I'll
ask
dr
gentile
to
jump
in
here
as
well.
It's
not
necessarily
that
that
student
is
paying
a
different
amount
of
tuition
to
attend
higher
education.
It's
just
sometimes
those
students
who
may
need
a
little
extra
support.
May
the
institutions
may
incur
costs
to
help
support
so
very
crudely
said.
N
H
B
H
N
H
On
the
give
hope,
expansion
act
of
2022,
we
are
appropriating
about
88.6
million
dollars
toward
increasing
hope,
scholarship
awards
and
trying
to
expand
dual
enrollment,
and
I
do
appreciate
reducing
the
age
to
23.
I
think
that's
great
how
much
of
the
88.6
million
will
go
toward
each
of
those
different
initiatives.
N
So
the
vast
majority
of
that
I
believe
it's
about
60-ish
million
dollars-
would
go
toward
the
hope
piece
of
that
the
remainder
would
go
to,
and
this
is
a
part
that
I
actually
I
didn't
say
this
part.
So
thank
you
ma'am
for
this
that
our
the
proposed
legislation,
that's
included
in
the
budget,
would
decrease
the
age
to
be
eligible
for
tennessee,
reconnect
223
as
well
as
increase
the
dual
enrollment
offering,
so
the
bulk
of
that
funding
would
be
for
the
the
hope
piece
of
it,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
have
the
specific
breakdown.
B
H
N
I
think
I
think
it
very
much
will
when
we
first
launched
tennessee
reconnect
five
or
six
years
ago
now
the
take-up
exceeded
dramatically
what
we
projected
it
to
be.
The
reason
for
the
decline
over
the
past
couple
years
was
sort
of
where
I
started
in
terms
of
enrollment
declines.
In
general,
the
pandemic
has
really
thrown
a
wrench
in
a
lot
of
people's
plans.
N
People
have
different
work
scenarios.
Now
they
have
concerns
about
online
learning.
They
have
family
obligations,
they
may
have
had
students
doing
at
home
learning,
so
many
adults
who
may
have
planned
to
go
back
into
higher
education
or
engage
for
the
first
time.
This
just
has
not
been
the
time
for
them
to
do
so.
I
will
say,
however,
when
we
think
about.
Oh,
this
is
the
wrong
presentation,
the
number
of
adults
who
are
reaching
out
to
our
navigators
to
our
reconnect
navigators.
That
number
has
actually
not
declined.
It's
just
the
yield
for
the
moment
has
declined.
N
H
N
N
H
N
Would
say
primarily
the
pandemic
and
I'm
happy
to
discuss
this
further
offline.
We've
seen
pretty
linear
growth
a
year
over
year,
but
in
some
years
we've
seen
a
little
bit
of
exponentiated
growth.
So
more
than
a
percentage
point
a
year
increase
in
degree
attainment.
I
think,
while
degrees
are
still
being
produced
at
very,
very
high
levels,
the
the
pandemic
will
continue
to
have
an
influence
there.
Yes,
ma'am.
B
N
Ma'am,
so
that's
a
great
question:
the
high
need
fields
are
defined
in
conjunction
with
the
department
of
labor
and
ecd,
and
they
reflect
the
intersection
between.
So
it's
imperfect
right.
So,
for
example,
I
mentioned
I
was
a
public
policy
major
and
I
currently
work
in
public
policy.
So
I'm
not
a
good
example
of
that.
But
there
are
many
people
who
get
a
degree
in
something
and
then
work
in
a
completely
different
field.
N
So,
with
the
caveat
up
front
being
that
it
is
imperfect,
but
we
have
worked
with
labor
and
we
have
worked
with
ecd
to
determine
what
the
high
need
jobs
are
going
to
be
for
the
next
decade,
regionally
and
statewide,
to
do
our
best
to
do
a
one-to-one
determination
of
what
those
majors
would
be.
That
would
lead
to
employment
in
those
high
need
fields.
C
Thank
you,
I'm
gonna
add
on
go
blue
raiders
and
dr
mcphee
is
in
the
audience
and
thank
him
for
all.
He
does
to
increase
the
value
of
my
degree
every
day,
quick
question
about
the
250
million
dollar
capital
improvement
program
or
investment
for
tsu
and
dr
glover
is
here
as
well.
Thanks
for
all
you
do
to
lead
that
great
institution.
C
N
N
There
are
the
engineering
building
is
included
just
as
part
of
the
this
year's
capital
tx
capital
process,
as
well
as
a
number
of
other
classroom
buildings,
the
library,
it's
just
a
campus-wide
refresh
initiative,
as
well
as
a
number
of
like
facilities
upgrades
like
the
hvac,
a
lot
of
infrastructure
upgrades
as
well
happy
to
share
in
greater
detail.
We
have
a
15-page
memo
or
so
that
we
can
share
that'd.
C
Be
great
yep,
one
more
follow-up
question,
so
you
you
also
mentioned
the
engineering
classroom,
and
it
appears
that
the
the
first
year
operating
cost
of
the
new
classroom
is
around
five
and
a
half
5.8
million
dollars.
Can
you
talk
about?
What's
driving
that
cost
to
be
so
high
and
if
you
foresee
that
cost
to
decrease
over
the
life
of
the
of
the
building.
N
At
tsu,
yes,
so
I
may
need
to
defer
to
chancellor
or
to
president
glover
and
her
team,
but
generally
speaking,
the
startup
is
always
going
to
be
the
greatest
cost
of
any
kind
of
construction
and
over
time,
the
the
costs
decrease.
So
as
we
think
about
the
equipment,
as
we
think
about
the
space
itself,
and
what
it's
going
to
take
to
outfit
that
space
in
a
way
that
instructors
can
deliver
their
content
appropriately
to
students.
It
will
decrease
over
time
once
those
one-time,
startup
costs
are
covered.
J
J
I
guess
my
concern
is:
are
thankful
for
the
glow
in
the
room,
as
one
of
my
colleagues
said,
because
we
have
increased
it
because
I
think
it's
been
a
long
time
coming.
But
I
I
guess,
give
me
some
relief
in
knowing
whether
or
not
we
shouldn't
have
still
increased
the
amount
but
had
a
graduated
amount
so
that
we're
incentivizing
kids
to
serve
young
adults
to
stay
in
sure.
N
Yes,
sir,
so
while
t-heck
has
helped
a
great
deal
in
thinking
through
the
mechanics
of
this
bill,
this
is
actually
an
admin
bill.
So
I
would
not
want
to
step
on
the
toes
of
tony
and
hit
tony
and
his
policy
team,
tony
nicholajad,
as
well
as
the
governor
and
his
team
writ
large,
but
happy
to
continue
to
have
that
discussion
about
not
only
the
subgroups
of
students
as
well
as
the
graduated
amount.
N
We
did
make
that
change
when
promise
launched
in
2015,
as
we
thought
about
retention
and
incentives,
but
also
how
to
best
fund
tennessee
promise
so
happy
to
have
that
conversation
offline
without
getting
in
the
way
of
anything.
The
ad
the
administration
is
thinking
about
with
regard
to
this,
but
we
we
have
heard
that
feedback
from
others
as
well.
Sir.
J
How
we're
funding
these
students,
because
going
forward?
This,
is
something
that
I
think
is
really
important.
So
that
was
not
the.
The
intent
of
the
question
is
mainly
to
find
out
what
your
view
was,
whether
you
think
it
would
be
good
bifurcated
into
two
pots
of
money
or
two
dollar
amounts
for
one
and
two
three
and
four,
or
whether
it
really
didn't
matter,
and
it
sounds
like
it.
N
I
I
think,
and
I
know
president
nolan
is
smiling
over
there.
I
can't
see
him,
but
I
know
he's
smiling.
This
is
a
conversation
that
has
been
going
on
for
over
a
decade
as
we
think
about
the
buying
power
of
the
hope
scholarship
in
the
university
space,
in
particular.
Very
often
over
the
past
few
years,
much
of
the
focus
of
the
financial
aid
conversation
has
been
around
the
less
than
four-year
institutions
by
virtue
of
reconnect
promise,
and
all
of
that,
so
I
think
this
is
an
opportunity,
irrespective
of
how
it's
structured
be
it.
C
K
L
Sorry,
just
a
mirror
really
and
follow
up
on
what
chairman
williams
was
saying.
Some
of
the
numbers
I
would
be
interested
in
seeing
is
you
know
in
the
seven
years
roughly
since
we've
had
a
staggered
hope
scholarship.
How
has
that
helped
with
completion
rates?
How
has
that
affected
folks
that
are
coming
in
with
dual
enrollment
hours
and
maybe
finishing
in
three
years?
I've
had
that
question
from
several
of
my
constituents.
L
If
you
know
they
have
a
student
that
goes
to
ut
or
mtsu
or
any
any
of
our
fine
institutions,
and
they
really
put
the
pedal
of
the
medal
and
finish
in
three
years.
Why?
Wouldn't
they
have
some
additional
money
there
left
over
for
graduate
school
if
they
seek
to
better
themselves,
even
beyond
the
traditional
two
or
four
year
model?
L
N
B
B
M
There's
about
176
000
students
total
enrolled
across
the
state
67
000
of
them
are
enrolled
at
one
of
the
lgi
universities.
Many
of
our
students
are
first
generation
low
income
and
pell.
Many
are
also
receiving
gi
benefits
or
participating
through
aspects
of
the
post.
Gi
benefits,
more
than
7
000
students
and
families
are
receiving
those
awards,
but
we
also
have
about
540
students
within
that
total
headcount
enrollment
participating
in
our
rotc
programs.
M
Dr
house
mentioned
the
impact
of
covid
on
enrollment,
and
you
see,
as
you
look
across
our
institutions
enrollment's
down
year
over
year.
But
if
you
look
nationally
enrollment
nationally
and
universities
is
down
about
10
percent
and
that's
because
many
students
took
that
gap
year
with
kovid
and
unfortunately
have
not
re-enrolled.
M
However,
our
student
success
is
increasing.
Our
retention
rates
across
the
state
and
universities
are
north
of
about
80
percent.
Our
graduation
rates
are
between
50
and
60
percent,
and
more
than
half
of
the
students
who
graduate
from
our
institutions
graduate
with
no
debt
and
one
of
the
things
that,
I
think
is
an
important
note,
and
dr
house
mentioned
this,
and
her
comments
is
that,
while
enrollment
has
remained
constant,
the
number
of
degrees
produced
by
your
institutions
has
increased
significantly.
Since
you
changed
the
funding
formula
in
2010.
M
M
Research
led
by
individuals
such
as
dwayne
estes,
a
faculty
member
at
austin,
peay,
state
university,
who's,
doing
research
on
restoring
grasslands
across
18
states,
the
largest
ecological
restoration
project
underway
in
the
country,
research
on
electronic
batteries
at
tennessee
tech,
carla
odessa's
work
at
tsu
on
increasing
crop
production
and
then
there's
the
spinoff
activity,
such
as
the
work
of
two
post-doctoral
students
at
the
university
of
memphis
that
have
started
five
science-based
startups.
Just
within
the
past
year.
M
Madam
chair,
I've
had
the
honor
to
work
in
tennessee
higher
education
since
the
mid
1990s,
and
this
is
the
most
significant
budget
investment
in
the
universities
in
my
career.
The
investment
in
hope
will
significantly
impact
affordability
for
our
students,
but
the
investments
in
these
facilities
will
impact
generations.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
represent
the
university
system.
We'd
be
happy
to
address
any
questions.
B
K
Thank
you
so
much
chase
chairman
hazelwood.
It
is
a
pleasure
to
be
with
all
of
you
today
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
the
tennessee
board
of
regents.
I
want
to
give
you
just
a
quick
update
on
where
we
are
with
our
numbers.
As
director
house
had
already
told
you,
while
we
have
been
slightly
down
in
enrollment,
we
produced
22
956
awards
last
year.
That
is
actually
one
award
less
than
the
previous
year,
statistically
I'll.
K
K
Your
investment
that
you
made
in
our
technical
colleges
last
year
would
like
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
that,
because
that
allowed
us
to
hire
more
instructors,
open,
more
programs
and
get
more
people
into
our
technical
colleges.
I
just
said
that
we
had
a
six
percent
downturn
in
our
community
colleges,
but
we
had
a
15
increase
in
our
technical
college.
Enrollment,
that's
very
significant
because
that
is
directly
related
to
the
money
that
you
approved
last
year
for
us
to
make
those
increases.
K
15
increase
in
the
regular
population,
a
28
increase
in
dual
enrollment
across
our
technical
colleges.
So
we
are
very
appreciative
to
you
for
the
work
that
you
did
last
year
to
approve
that,
in
addition
to
degree
diploma
and
certificate
programs,
our
colleges
also
supplied
a
record-breaking
number
of
industry
training.
This
past
year.
K
Last
year,
our
contact
workforce
training
hours
were
1
million,
42
hundred
and
forty
nine
contact
hours
that
served
forty
six
thousand
one
hundred
and
ninety
nine
individuals
across
the
state
of
tennessee
and
much
as
as
dr
nolan
said
to
you
that
they
are
go
from
memphis
to
mountain
city.
So
does
the
tennessee
board
of
regents?
We
served
roughly
120
000
students,
46
000
contact
training,
individuals
across
the
state
with
our
40
institutions,
175
teaching
locations.
K
The
operating
budget
that
has
been
proposed
for
us
this
year,
you
are
absolutely
right,
we
are
glowing
and
there
is
no
way
not
to
with
what's
been
proposed.
This
is
a
tremendous
opportunity
to
truly
change
the
face
of
technical
and
community
college
education
across
the
state
of
tennessee
28
million
increase
for
operation
dollars
in
the
money
that
director
house
mentioned
to
you
earlier
23
for
community
colleges,
almost
6
million
for
our
colleges
of
applied
technology.
K
200
million
for
equipment
and
facilities
upgrades
to
support
career
and
technical,
educate
education
programs,
and
these
are
the
10
colleges
that
will
receive
that
200
million
dollars.
These
are
the
top
10
projects
that
we
had
in
our
capital
outlay
projection
list,
so
we
are
thrilled
that,
if
approved,
these
are
the
projects
that
we
will
be
able
to
put
in
place
in
past
history.
K
K
K
The
nashville
state
is
in
partnership
with
tkat
dixon,
for
an
expansion
at
the
clarksville
campus
and
then
roane
state
with
tcat
knoxville,
for
an
expansion
in
allied
health
in
knox,
county
roane
state
historically
does
our
allied
health
training
in
knox
county
and
that's?
Why
they
will
be
partnering
with
the
tcat
to
bring
their
health
care
programs
to
that
facility,
and
it
is
through
a
partnership
with
covington
healthcare
that
will
be
able
to
do
that.
K
Other
budget
initiatives
that
were
included
for
us
was
the
operation
open
roads
that
the
governor
put
into
the
budget.
Eight
million
non-reoccurring
one
seven
reoccurring.
This
is
to
increase
truck
driving
at
all
of
our
existing
truck
driving
programs.
And,
as
you
know,
there
is
a
critical
shortage
across
the
nation.
So
we're
very
excited
about
being
able
to
buy
more
trucks
and
hire
more
faculty
to
increa.
We
will
actually
double
the
number
of
students
going
into
truck
driving
that
will
increase
it
to
396
additional
students
this
next
year
and
then
the
next
year.
K
On
behalf
of
the
students
of
the
tennessee
colleges
of
applied
technology
and
community
colleges,
our
faculty
and
staff,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
investments
that
you've
made
in
this,
for
the
faith
that
you've
had
in
us
to
do
the
training
that
we've
been
able
to
accomplish
across
the
state.
Madam
chair,
that
completes
my
formal
comments.
B
O
Yeah,
thank
you,
chairman
hazelwood,
and
thanks
thank
you
to
the
committee
for
allowing
us
the
time
to
present
today.
So
I
want
to
say
the
most
important
thing
first,
and
that
is
just
thank
you
for
the
great
support
you've
given
higher
education,
education
at
large,
across
the
state
of
tennessee
and
for
managing
our
state
in
such
a
physically
sound
manner,
we're
so
fortunate
to
be
in
the
state
of
tennessee,
where
we
have
a
state
that
can
invest
in
education,
be
having
these
debates
about
how
we'll
invest
our
surpluses.
O
We've
got,
colleagues
all
across
the
country
that
are
having
budget
cuts
and
having
to
figure
out
how
they're
going
to
weigh
off
faculty
and
and
staff,
and
that's
not
the
case
in
the
state
of
tennessee,
sometimes
in
the
state
of
tennessee.
We
can
take
for
granted
that
all
states
are
like
this,
but
it's
not,
and
so
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
say
thank
you
for
running
our
state
in
such
a
efficient
manner
and
prioritizing
education.
O
So
I've
got
four
highlights
that
I'd
like
to
talk
about
with
regards
to
the
the
governor's
proposed
budget.
But
before
I
do
I'd
like
to
take
just
a
moment
and
brag
about
my
colleagues
at
the
university
of
tennessee
system,
so
we
are
on
a
quest
to
make
this
the
greatest
decade
in
the
history
of
the
university
of
tennessee.
So
last
year,
being
the
second
year
of
the
greatest
decade
had
to
be
a
good
year
and
it
was
a
great
year.
Last
year
we
increased
enrollment
to
an
all-time
record.
We
increased
our
enrollment
by
2.7.
O
We
also
want
to
make
sure
that
when
students
come
to
our
campus
they're
successful,
it's
not
enough
just
to
get
them
in
the
door.
We
want
to
make
sure
they
graduate,
and
last
year
we
increased
our
enroll
graduation
rates
by
two
percent,
which
all
my
colleagues
will
attest
increasing
six
year.
Graduation
rate
is
difficult.
We
increased
it
by
two
percent
last
year
across
the
system
to
64.9
percent,
so
we're
particularly
proud
of
how
our
students
are
being
successful
once
they
come,
we're
also
continuing
to
increase
our
research
expenditures.
O
A
lot
of
that
was
driven
by
the
ut's
health
science
center
they've
done
a
lot
of
work
over
the
last
two
years
in
helping
to
do
research
around
curbing
the
pandemic,
and
so
a
lot
of
our
growth
and
research
is
because
of
the
great
work
they're
doing
it's
not
just
about
dollars,
but
it's
about
the
difference
that
they're
making
in
lives
all
across
the
country.
We're
constantly
focusing
on
making
our
universities
more
inclusive.
A
lot
of
your
top
break.
Schools
are
focused
on
exclusivity.
O
How
many
students
they
can
exclude
we're
focused
on
how
many
we
can
include
and
so
constantly
looking
for
ways
in
which
we
can
make
our
universities
more
accessible
and
more
affordable.
Geographically
and
financially.
Last
year
we
changed
the
ut
promise
threshold
before
it
was
55
anybody
made
under
50
000
in
household
income.
You
were
allowed
to
come
to
any
of
our
campuses
as
long
as
you
academically
qualified
free
of
tuition
and
fees.
O
This
past
year
we
were
able
to
increase
it
to
60
000,
primarily
because
the
program
turned
out
to
cost
us
a
whole
lot
less
than
we
expected.
So
financially
more
people
can
come
to
our
universities,
but
in
addition,
we
found
that
there
are
certain
parts
of
our
state
that
were
lacking
physical
access.
O
Not
everybody
can
go
off
and
live
in
a
dorm
at
a
campus,
many
have
to
drive,
and
in
southern
middle
tennessee
there
was
a
lack
of
access
to
a
public,
four-year
institution
within
commuting,
different
distance
in
counties
like
giles
county
and
the
surrounding
counties,
and
so
last
year,
thanks
to
you
again
and
the
governor,
we
were
able
to
acquire
the
first
university
in
the
university
of
tennessee
system
in
over
52
years.
What
was
martin
methodist
college
now
ut
southern
I'm
happy
to
report.
O
They
led
the
state
and
increase
in
enrollment
last
year
with
an
increase
of
eight
percent.
Now
it's
a
small
number,
but
it's
still
a
percentage-wise,
a
big
increase,
but,
more
importantly,
there
are
applications
for
this
coming
fall
or
up
over
200.
So
it's
making
a
real
difference
and
we
couldn't
have
done
that
without
your
support
and
we
did
all
this
in
the
middle
of
a
pandemic.
O
So
again,
I'd
like
to
thank
you
for
the
support
you
gave
us,
but
also
a
shout
out
to
all
my
colleagues
that
I
helped
to
accomplish
all
these
great
things.
So
four
things
I'd
like
to
highlight
from
the
governor's
budget
and
both
director
house
and
president
nolan
have
already
talked
about
the
increase
in
the
hope,
scholarship.
That
is
a
transformative
proposal.
We
haven't
increased
it
in
over
a
decade
and
this
is
going
to
make
more
students
or
more
college
more
affordable
for
more
students
all
across
the
state
and
all
of
our
institutions.
O
So
one
of
the
big
it
may
hope
it
doesn't
get
missed
in
all
the
other
big
capital
projects,
but
it's
probably
one
of
the
most
significant
things
I
think
in
the
governor's
budget.
If
you
wanted
to
ask
a
question
and
talk
about
the
the
staggered
or
awards
that
we
had,
I
was
on
the
team
that
helped
create
that
in
the
first
place
I
could
maybe
give
you
a
little
bit
more
if
you
want
to
talk
about,
or
I
could
talk
about
it
in
private
at
another
time.
O
The
second
thing
I'd
like
to
highlight
is
the
18
million
dollars
for
the
graduate
medical
education.
We
have
a
shortage
of
family
practitioners
in
our
rural
counties.
Many
counties
are
terribly
underserved.
This
18
million
will
produce
an
additional
150
family
practitioners
they'll,
be
able
to
work
in
our
rural
counties,
we'll
be
sharing
these
funds
with
our
partners
at
etsu
to
provide
this
critical
care.
It's
a
transformative
again
using
that
word
a
lot
but
transformative
initiative
that
will
impact
health
care
across
the
state
for
for
generations
to
come.
O
This
was
a
program
where
we
would
be
able
to
hire
another
120
faculty
members
top
researchers
around
the
world
and
some
areas
of
critical
national
security
for
our
country
bring
on
another
500
graduate
students.
We
would
get
funded
from
the
federal
government
on
a
seven
to
one
match
so
for
every
dollar
the
state
would
put
in.
We
get
seven
dollars
back
from
the
federal
government.
We
asked
for
80
million
dollars.
O
This
federal
government
would
put
in
560
million
dollars
the
governor
wisely
said:
let's
do
this
on
a
pilot,
we'll
give
you
eight
million
dollars
a
year
for
the
first
year
and
then
maybe
eight
million
dollars
again
for
the
next
nine
years.
So
in
the
first
year,
how
did
we
do?
We
ended
up
getting
over
38
million
dollars
in
federal
funds,
20
million
dollars
from
the
from
the
university
of
tennessee
we've
got
a
director
in
place,
and
the
program
has
been
launched.
O
The
governor
this
year
in
his
budget
proposed
to
go
ahead
and
fund
the
balance
of
the
72
million
dollars.
This
will
allow
us
to
accomplish
those
goals
even
even
faster.
The
plan
is
within
five
to
seven
years
that
this
program
will
be
sustainable,
they'll
be
bringing
in
over
170
million
dollars
a
year
in
grants
from
the
federal
government
and
others
to
make
it
sustainable,
generating
again
hundreds
of
new
graduate
students
in
the
east
tennessee
region
around
the
state.
O
O
About
three
years
ago,
the
university
of
tennessee
started
exploring
the
need
to
do
this.
It's
not
something!
That's
optional!
The
current
systems
that
we
have
are
end
of
life,
so
we
can't
just
decide
to
keep
operating
them,
they'll
be
unserviceable,
so
we
absolutely
had
to
do
something
and
all
the
systems
are
now
moving
to
the
cloud.
O
O
So
not
only
is
this
more
efficient
it'll
also
be
more
effective
for
the
state,
dr
house,
and
our
friends
at
that
will
have
access
to
one
system,
so
they'll
be
able
to
query
data
and
get
real-time
results
and
information
immediately,
as
opposed
to
sending
us
all
emails
and
asking
each
of
us
to
send
spreadsheets
from
seven
different
11
different
formats,
we'll
be
able
to
get
real-time
data
accurately
and
immediately.
So
I
worked
excited
about
the
investment
that
the
governor's
proposed
to
make
in
this
and
with
that
again
I'll.
B
Thank
you,
president
boyd,
and
thank
you
to
all
our
presenters.
We
are
grateful
for
your
appreciation,
but
we're
also
most
grateful
for
the
work
that
it's
done
by
all
the
folks
that
you
represent
across
the
state
through
very
difficult
times.
The
past
year
or
two
I
think,
we've
kept
on
keeping
on
earlier
mentioned,
was
made
of
our
drive
to
55.
B
We
might
have
hit
a
speed
bump,
but
we
are
not
stopped
and
we're
still
on
that
track,
and
I
want
to
thank
because
everybody
sitting
at
these
tables
and
again
the
people
that
are
behind
you
in
every
way
I've
really
made
that
difference.
I
have
a
couple
questions
this
for
tbr
and
t
heck
the
correctional
education
investment
initiative.
We
began
that,
and
I
think,
was
2019
and
this
year's
budget
we're
adding
a
recurring
1.45
million.
B
I
know
in
the
50
plus
billion
dollar
budget
we're
talking
about
that's
a
small
figure,
but
I
just
would
like
to
have
some
understanding
of
how
that
project
has
unfolded,
the
outcomes
and
the
measurements
since
we're
investing
more
dollars.
That
there's
been
some
positive
outcomes.
But
could
you
just
speak
with
us
a
little
bit
about
that
initiative?
Yes,.
N
Ma'am,
I
can
start
and
then
I'll
kick
it
over
to
chancellor
tidings.
So
what
the
ways
in
which
higher
education
instruction
opportunities
can
be
delivered
in
a
prison
or
a
jail
for
those
who
are
incarcerated
by
definition,
look
a
little
bit
different
than
for
those
who
are
outside.
So
by
that
I
mean.
N
For
that
reason
the
pandemic
really
did
to
some
extent
halt
a
lot
of
this
work
in
early
2020
because
we
were
not
able
to
physically
go
to
the
facilities
to
deliver
the
instruction
to
set
up
the
programs
in
a
way
that
had
been
the
intent
in
2019..
That
said,
we
are
able
to
get
tbr
staff.
Tx
staff
are
able
to
get
into
the
facilities
now
more
set
up.
K
Director
house
is
absolutely
right:
we
did
get
hit
a
little
bit
more
of
a
speed
bump
there,
because
we
were
not
able
to
go
in
and
actually
deliver.
Many
of
the
programs
that
we
had
set
up.
We
are
back
open,
running
full
speed
on
that.
This
additional
money
will
allow
us
to
add
programs
across
the
state
at
the
prisons
that
we
are
currently
already
engaged
in.
The
ones
that
we
have
been
working
in
have
been
very
successful.
We've
had
graduation
programs
already
from
several
of
the
colleges.
B
And
it
may
be
just
too
early
in
the
program
to
tell
but
be
interested
in
any
data
that
you
have
on
the
amount
of
percent
of
participation.
If
you
will
the
success
rate
and
then,
when
those
folks
have,
you
know,
completed
their
incarceration,
the
employment
rate
and
the
success
there.
I
know
those
are
long-term
numbers,
but
I
I
also
know
that
you're
tracking
them
so
I'd
be
interested
in
whatever
information
you
have
there
and
one
other
question
and
then
I'll.
Let
my
colleagues
talk
one
of
the
things
that
I
noticed.
B
K
The
way
that
they
currently
handle
security
differs
at
each
one
of
our
colleges,
depending
on
the
location
that
they're
in
for
our
urban
colleges.
They
do
try
to
partner
with
the
community
college
that
they
might
be
close
to,
but
that's
sharing
those
resources
which
is
not
always
the
best
outcome
for
them
at
some
of
our
more
rural,
isolated
technical
colleges.
They
have
no
support
there.
They
have
to
rely
on
the
local
police
departments
to
come.
In
some
cases
the
police
department
may
be
very
close
to
the
location
and
others
there's
quite
a
distance
there.
K
We
know
that
it
was
part
of
the
security
survey
that
was
done
by
t
heck
several
years
ago.
This
was
seen
as
a
gaping
hole
in
the
system
and
something
that
we
needed
to
shore
up.
So
it
is
a
request
that
we
have
had.
We
did
hire
a
security
officer
to
be
over
the
system
so
that
he
could
continue
to
monitor
what
was
happening
at
each
one
of
the
campuses,
but
we
don't
have
armed
guard
staff
at
our
local
technical
college
campuses,
and
that
is
what
we
are
hoping
to
be
able
to
do.
K
B
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
have
a
a
statement
and
a
question.
If
you
don't
mind
president
boyd,
thank
you
so
much
for
being
here.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out.
You
mentioned
something
about
the
ut
health
science
centers
in
memphis.
That
is
just
absolutely
huge
for
the
memphis
economy
and
the
last
two
years
has
barely
showed
us
that
so
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
for
bringing
it
up
and
make
sure
my
colleagues
and
everyone
that's
watching,
and
listening
was
aware
of
that.
I
So
thank
you.
Secondly,
chancellor
titins,
thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
in
the
proposed
budget.
There's
about
19
million
dollars
to
hopefully
help
speed
up
the
wait
list
initiative
going
forward
is
this:
is
that
money
gonna
entirely
get
rid
of
the
wait
list
and
if
so,
will
tcat
have
the
apos,
the
I
guess
capacity
to
allow
other
students
to
participate
as
well.
K
Yes,
sir
again,
thank
you
for
that
question.
That
is
the
money
that
is
the
second
year
funding
for
the
waitlist
projects.
It
will
allow
us
to
add
additional
faculty
and
additional
programs
that
we've
identified
across
the
state
where
we
do
have
a
high
wait
list
and
we
have
targeted
those
high
yield
programs
for
employment
to
begin
with,
to
make
sure
that
we
are
training
for
the
jobs
that
are
the
highest
need
across
the
state
right
now.
K
This
will
never
completely
do
away
with
the
wait
list
at
technical
colleges,
nor
do
I
hope
it
always
does
away
with
that
wait
list.
I
hope
we
always
have
students
trying
to
get
in
and
that
we
always
have
a
need
that
we're
trying
to
serve,
but
it
will
allow
us
to
double
the
number
of
students
in
our
technical
colleges
by
2025.
I
K
Yes,
sir,
right
now
we
have
we
started
out
last
year
with
11
700
on
the
wait
list.
We
have
reduced
that
down
by
15
that
number,
and
then
this
year
we
are
seeing
the
the
applications
coming
in
now
so
I'll
be
able
to
tell
you
how
many
we
have
coming
in
at
this
point,
but
it
is
a
rolling
list,
because
every
term
we
update
that
number.
C
K
Yes,
sir,
that
is
to
double
the
size
of
the
existing
programs
that
we
have
and
the
reason
that
we
chose
to
do
it.
That
way
is
because
it's
quite
costly
to
put
in
a
cdl
program.
You
have
to
have
a
track
that
has
been
approved
by
tdot
for
this
training
for
the
testing
site.
So
we
wanted
to
utilize
this
the
resources
that
we
already
had
to
begin
with,
to
try
and
get
the
biggest
bang
for
our
buck.
K
To
begin
with,
we
currently
have
seven
programs,
and
I'm
sorry
I
don't
have
a
list
of
those
in
front
of
me
and
if
I
started
trying
to
recall
them,
I
might
forget
one,
but
I
can
get
that
information
to
you
on
where
they're
located,
but
that
will
allow
us
to
double
the
number
of
students
up
to
it
would
be.
It
should
be
697
that
we
should
be
able
to
produce
a
year
in
that
program.
K
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
toby
for
your
presentation
today.
So
we've
talked
about
tcat,
it's
something!
That's
very
dear
to
my
heart.
I
appreciate
the
work
that
we're
doing
there.
I
wish
that
we
could
do
more
and
quicker
as
we're
seeing
many
in
the
areas
of
truck
truckers
and
machinists,
and
things
like
that
that
really
we
are
in
great
need
of,
and
you
talked
about
a
wait
list.
C
I
wish
we
didn't
have
a
wait
list.
I
wish
we
could
fully
get
all
of
those
individuals
in
and
because
it
makes
me
wonder
what
happens
to
them.
You
know
if
they
don't
get
on
that,
so
we've
got
a
lot
of
our
bright
and
best.
That
would
love
to
be
able
to
hone
their
talents
and
learn
more,
and
so
I
appreciate
all
the
money
and
the
efforts
that's
been
put
forth
to
all
of
our
teachers,
especially
in
my
area
as
well,
and
just
for
the
record.
C
K
Yes,
sir,
we
have
been
in
design
phase
for
that
campus
this
year
and
have
had
the
design
approved
and
so
we're
getting
ready
to
start
moving
ground
on
that
on
that
project.
That's
a
very
exciting
campus
rent,
a
campus
relocation
and,
as
all
you
remember,
that
is
where
we
were
funded
to
actually
pick
up
the
tcat
shelbyville
and
move
it
to
another
new
location
where
it
could
expand
it's
in
the
industrial
park
and
the
local
board
of
education
bought
the
building
that
we
were
currently
in
there.
So
this
is
a
very
exciting
opportunity.
K
C
K
Yes,
sir,
that
will
expand
what
they
are
doing
in
healthcare
arena
working
directly
with
the
hospital.
The
land
was
owned
by
the
hospital
and
they
are
actually
helping
to
donate
a
portion
of
that
land
to
us
to
build
that
facility
on.
We
obviously
are
not
in
the
stages
of
development,
yet
because
we
have
to
wait
on
that
one
to
be
passed
by
you
before
we
can
move
forward,
but
we'll
be
ready
to
go
july.
1.
K
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair
president
boyd
quick
question
regarding
the
investment
we're
making
ut's
impact
from
memphis
to
mountain
city.
Can
you
speak
to
how
this
investment
related
to
your
strategic
goals
and
the
grand
divisions
of
addressing
rural,
dentistry,
labor
shortages,
medical
care?
How
this
investment
will
help
move
that
forward
and
the
impact
it
will
have
statewide
how
that
kind
of,
I
think,
you'd
even
said
fast
track,
how
that's
going
to
fast-track
those
initiatives.
O
Well,
so
across
the
board,
it's
allowing
us
to
have
the
the
physical
capacity
to
be
able
to
produce
the
key
graduates
that
we
need,
like,
for
example,
were
being
funded
to
create
a
new
nursing
center
in
the
chattanooga
area.
That
southeast
region
has
has
a
great
shortage
for
nurses,
and
this
will
allow
us
to
be
able
to
do
that.
It'll
allow
us
to
be
able
to
provide
doctors
in
rural
communities
all
across
the
state.
O
Other
funding-
that's
not
coming
through
us,
but
through
the
department
of
health,
will
allow
us
to
be
able
to
provide
dental
clinics
through
across
the
state
to
the
low-income
and
indigen
students
that
allow
us
to
make
a
college
more
affordable
through
the
hope
increase.
Our
goal
is
to
make
our
universities
more
accessible
to
more
students
and
also
when
they
graduate
to
be
able
to
have
them
graduate
with
less
debt.
So
it
will
affect
all
of
those
things.
J
J
Hopefully
he'll
work
more
on
his
studies,
this
semester,
but
I
I
was
following
up
on
the
question
this
is
the
year
of
you
have
not
cut
your
ass,
not
it's
not
it's
one
of
those
years
where
we
we're
spending
an
inordinate
amount
of
money
which
is
good.
I
think
it's
because
we
can
we
should.
I
wanted
to
follow
up
with
my
previous
question,
president
boyd
about
the
the
differentiating
values
for
hope.
J
O
There
were
a
couple
of
factors
that
we
were
looking
at
before
with
the
hope
scholarship.
You
got
two
thousand
dollars
per
year
if
you
were
going
to
a
community
college
and
four
thousand
dollars
per
year.
If
you
went
to
a
four-year
school
and
one
of
the
logic
was
that
it's
unfair,
if
you
choose
a
two-year
program
versus
a
four-year
program
that
you
get
less
money
for
those
first
two
years
so
part
of
it
was
to
be
fair.
O
Your
first
two
years,
you
should
get
the
same
amount
wherever
you
go,
so
we
increased
the
community
college
to
3
500
and
brought
the
the
for
the
four-year
schools
down
to
3
500,
so
they
would
be
even
but
in
addition
just
the
financial
modeling
made
it
much
more
affordable
with
the
with
the
four-year
program
to
be
3,
500
and
4
500..
There
was
a
lot
of
pushback
back
then
to
kua.
J
The
I
I
guess,
the
follow-up
on
something
else.
We
said
gme
very
important
across
the
state,
one
of
those
investments
that
doesn't
sound
like
a
whole
lot
of
money
when
you
talk
about
a
51
billion
dollar
budget,
but
it's
huge
last
year's
chairman
vaughn
and
and
I
in
the
senate
and
the
chair,
lady
and
and
chairman
hicks,
worked
very
very
diligently
to
try
to
get
that
those
monies
in
there.
J
One
thing
that
makes
this
a
little
bit
different,
I
thought
maybe
you
could
share
about-
is
the
the
emphasis
on
rural
trying
to
get
these
to
rule.
Is
there
anything
that
you're
aware
of
that
that
requires
these
these
new
gme
positions
to
get
somebody
to
a
rural
area
instead
of
bandy
or
somewhere
in
one
of
our
metropolitan
areas?.
O
The
legislation
I
understand
it
will
provide
an
incentive
for
them
or
requirement
for
them
to
be
doing
the
residencies
in
a
rural
area,
but
that
doesn't
guarantee
that
they
will
stay
there,
but
we're
hopeful.
You
know
that
they
spend
some
time
in
some
of
our
our
rural
communities.
They
may
want
to
stay
there
and
invest
their
career
there,
but
it's
more
about
where
they
do
their
training.
J
Thank
you.
Well,
the
studies
have
proven
that
there's
an
86
chance
of
someone
staying
in
the
community
in
which
they
do
their
residency,
so
the
the
the
very
point
that
we're
finding
a
way
to
get
them
to
do
the
residency
in
rural
areas,
I
think,
is
very
important
because
it
does
have
a
an
impact
on
what
they
eventually
decide.
So
thank
you.
Thanks,
cheerlead.
G
G
I
think
we
all
know
how
important
that
is,
and
also
maybe
just
ask
for
your
help.
I've
been
looking
into
some
of
the
reporting
requirements
from
the
universities
across
the
state
that
are
required
to
be
submitted
to
tbi
on
our
college
campuses
and
there's.
There
seems
to
be
some
really
really
good
reporting
and
there's
also
seems
to
be
some
real
holes
in
the
data
that
I'm
kind
of
hunting
down
a
little
bit
so
just
to
reach
out
to
y'all,
to
say
start
to
look
at
that
and
ask
for
your
help
to
be
sure.
G
Y'all
are
great
at
calculating
data,
as
we
all
know,
just
to
be
sure
we
we
really
want
these
these
crimes
on
the
campus,
to
be
sure,
they're
all
reported
not
not
anyway
saying
that
something's
being
done
wrong,
but
it
seems
in
some
way
we're
tabulating
this
report
that
there
seems
to
be
some
anomalies
and
how
we're
compiling
that
data.
But
thank
you
for
being
here.
N
I
think
all
of
us
would
be
happy
to
have
that
conversation
with
you,
sir,
just
to
ensure
that
the
needs
of
your
community
of
your
district
are
being
met
by
the
offerings
campus
by
campus.
So
we
can
absolutely
talk
about
that
in
in
greater
depth.
That
would
ultimately
come
through
t
heck
for
an
approval,
but
would
start,
of
course,
in
discussion
with
the
systems
in
the
campuses
about
who's
able
to
offer
what.
C
B
Thank
you
just
sort
of
a
holistic
question
for
the
group.
I
don't
think
anybody's
going
to
argue
that
the
pandemic
was
a
good
thing,
but
it
has
required
us
to
step
back
and
take
a
look
at
how
we
do
a
lot
of
things,
including
education.
So
I'm
just
curious
the
lessons
that
have
been
learned
by
the
pandemic,
the
things
that
can
and
cannot
be
done
effectively
remotely
all
of
those
sorts
of
things.
What
you
see
from
those
lessons
or
those
experiences
that
might
impact
higher
ed
going
forward
and
in
what
way.
N
So
I'll
start
at
a
very,
very
high
state
level
and
then
defer
to
my
colleagues
I'll
go
back
to
my
one
joke
that
I
made
earlier
that
no
one
actually
graduates
from
t
heck,
so
I'm
able
to
kind
of
look
the
tech
team
is
able
to
look
from
a
different
lens.
I
would
say:
we've
talked
so
much
about
capital
today
prior
to
the
higher
ed
portion
of
the
agenda
this
morning
as
well.
N
I
think
what
we
have
learned
from
the
pandemic
is
the
ways
in
which
we
need
to
be
thinking
differently
about
space
on
campus,
and
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
new
space
versus
renovated
space
versus
whatever
else.
But
how
do
we
actually
design
the
campus
facilities
such
that
students
are
able
to
do
what
they
need
to
do
in
space
that
is
appropriate
even
when
we
are
god
willing
far
past
the
pandemic?
N
I
think
also,
we've
learned
a
great
deal
about
and
I'll.
Let
my
colleagues
speak
more
to
this.
What
works
online
versus
what
does
not?
What
types
of
courses
are
better
done
in
person
or
can
be
done
well
online.
I
also
think
too,
and
this
is
really
just
meant
to
be
kudos
to
all
of
my
colleagues
here
at
the
tables
as
well
as
all
of
those
behind
me.
N
Higher
education
very
much
gets
a
bad
rap,
sometimes
for
not
being
innovative
or
not
being
nimble,
and
I
think
what
we've
seen
in
the
past
two
years
is
a
nimbleness
and
an
innovation
that
really
surpasses
any
of
that
reputation.
That
is
kind
of
unfairly
put
upon
us,
sometimes
so
much
credit
to
everyone
for
how
malleable
and
how
flexible
they
have
been
to
the
students
to
the
staff,
the
faculty,
the
admins
everybody.
I
think
we
learned
a
lot
about
how
much
we
can
pivot
when
we
need
to
and
with
that
I'll
defer
to
president
boyd.
O
Now
to
say,
first
off,
I'm
thankful
to
all
my
staff,
my
faculty
and
the
students
for
their
adaptability,
but
with
regards
to
a
positive
that
we
learn,
we
can
be
more
flexible
with
more
virtual
learning,
more
online
learning.
But,
as
dr
howe
said,
it's
not
for
every
program
in
every
every
class,
but
it's
been
much
more
incorporated.
A
lot
of
the
things
that
we
do
and
that'll
be
something
going
forward.
O
The
probability
of
large
lecture
halls
holding
300
people
will
probably
not
be
something
that
you'll
be
seeing
a
lot
of
proposed
in
the
future,
but
at
the
same
time
I
remember
I
guess
it
was
about
this
time
early
last
year,
maybe
this
time
last
year
I
had
several
members
mentioned
to
me
what
I
think
this
has
taught
us
that
we
don't
need
buildings
at
all,
and
I
think
maybe
that
was
a
step
too
far.
One
of
the
things
we
also
learned
is
that
we're
our
students
are
social
creatures.
O
They
they
need
to
have
that
interaction
with
their
faculty
and
with
other
colleagues,
one
of
the
biggest
complaints
that
I
hear
from
employers
all
the
time
is
that
we
have
graduates
that
don't
have
soft
skills.
They
don't
know
what
it
means
to
show
up
for
work
on
time.
They
don't
know
what
how
what
it's
like
to
to
work
in
teams
to
collaborate
and
those
things
can't
be
taught
online.
O
You
need
to
have
those
opportunities
for
the
students,
I'll
say
also
that
we
also
found
that
both
for
our
faculty
and
our
students,
there
was
a
lot
of
anxiety
created
in
the
environment
that
we
were
in.
So
while
everyone
stepped
up
and
pushed
through
and
persevered
and
succeeded,
it
wasn't
ideal
and
it's
not
something.
That's
sustainable.
K
And
I'll
lean
into
that
as
well,
I
do
also
want
to
congratulate
the
faculty
and
staff
that
worked
so
hard
to
make
happen.
What
has
happened
over
the
last
two
years?
We
took
two
weeks
off,
we
regrouped
and
we
went
back
to
work
during
those
two
weeks,
our
faculty
pivoted,
to
online,
and
I
will
share
with
you
that
it
is
extremely
hard
to
teach
somebody
how
to
weld
online.
K
So
what
they
did
was
they
managed
to
make
sure
that
they
got
enough
of
the
skill
sets
until
we
could
figure
out
a
way
to
get
them
back
safely
into
the
environment.
It
took
us
longer
and
our
staff
had
to
work
many
more
hours,
because
we
could
only
bring
back
a
few
at
the
time
to
make
it
be
small
groups
when
they
came
in
and,
as
president
boyd
said,
we
learned
quickly
that
there
will
always
be
a
need
for
our
buildings.
K
M
And
I
think
one
final
point
is
as
we
look
at
the
experience.
All
of
us
recognize
that
the
transition
to
online
was
not
ideal.
Some
places
it
worked
better
than
others.
Our
students
demanded
to
be
on
ground
and
you're,
seeing
that
with
improved
satisfaction
and
retention
rates
fall
to
spring
this
year
over
years
prior.
M
But
president
boyd
mentioned
challenge
and
stress,
I
think,
if
there's
anything,
that's
come
to
the
forefront,
it's
the
need
for
additional
investments
in
mental
health
and
counseling
services,
because
our
students
across
the
board
have
gone
through
a
very
difficult
two
years
and
it's
a
two
years
that
continues
to
be
with
us.
We've
got
labor
shortages
in
many
areas
that
mirror
those
in
private
business.
M
B
B
C
Go
blue,
dr
mcphee.
I
appreciate
randy
mr
boyd
talking
about
soft
skills.
You
know
I'm
back
in
college
and
and
I'm
around
these
students
and
I
see
what
they
see.
You
know
I
talk
to
them
about
their
debt
and
the
frustrations.
But
going
back
to
representative
shaw's
comments
about
broadcast
journalism.
One
of
the
greatest
places
for
journalism
is
right
there
at
mtsu,
and
I
think
dr
mcphee
would
agree
the
building's
named
after
the
former
chairman
of
budget
john
bragg.
I
don't
know
how
many
all
knew
john
bragg
I
mean.
C
I
didn't
know
him,
but
always
there
was
a
great
legislator.
I
think,
30
years
he
was
he
was
up
here,
but
I
just
want
to
share
an
experience.
Real,
quick,
I'm
coming
back
here
in
the
undergrad
program,
taking
a
couple
classes
and
also
taking
a
graduate
class
when
I
can,
but
this
joe
rogan
controversy
came
up.
So
we
were
talking
about
that
in
class
and
I
asked
all
the
students
I
took
a
poll
and
I
just
said
how
many
of
y'all
think
he
needs
to
be
canceled.
C
C
Speaking
of
the
school
journalism
named
after
john
bragg
they've
got
chris
clark
over
there,
a
former
professor
on
a
few.
If
y'all
know
chris
clark
started
in
like
1959,
I
believe
he
hired
oprah
winfrey.
By
the
way,
I
think
ken
jobe
graduated
there,
other
famous
journalists
here
in
tennessee
graduated
there,
but
thank
you,
dr
mcphee.
Thank
you
randy
for
being
there
and
thank
you
for
your
comments
about
soft
skills.
B
Again,
thanks
to
all
our
presenters
today
for
their
time,
thanks
to
the
committee
for
your
attention
and
with
no
further
questions
for
these
folks,
we
are
back
in
session
and
we're
back
in
session.
Is
there
any
further
business?
I
think
the
only
business
that
people
are
interested
in
at
this
point
is
lunch,
so
we
are
adjourned.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.