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House Elections & Campaign Finance Subcommittee - March 16, 2022 - House Hearing Room 2
A
A
Thank
you
appreciate
it.
We
are
do
before
we
begin.
Are
there
any
personal
orders
or
anything
members
need
to
say,
seeing
nothing,
nothing
we
will
proceed
on
to
today
we
have
15
bills
on
the
calendar.
We
will
go
ahead
and
proceed
to
a
few
changes.
Item
number
one
hb,
1221
by
lynn,
has
been
taken
off
notice.
A
A
C
C
It
would
also
implicate
that
the
state
should
share
at
least
50
percent
of
the
cost
of
the
county
election
commissions
might
encore
might
incur
to
purchase
any
new
equipment
subject
to
appropriations.
It
would
also
require
that
poll
watchers,
I
believe,
are
currently
at
a
10
foot
length,
the
closest
they
can
get.
C
It
would
reduce
that
to
a
three
foot
distance
as
the
maximum
distance
there
not
to
get
closer
than
that
is
for
counting
ballots
and
processing
the
balance
and,
and
the
reason
for
that,
I
think
we
saw
some
video
from
the
2020
elections
where
poll
watchers
were
behind.
You
know,
plastic
screens
way
off
away
and
would
not
allow
them
to
do
their
jobs.
C
A
A
B
E
You
have
to
push
it
okay,
my
name
is
kathy
harms,
I'm
from
franklin
tennessee,
and
I
am
here
in
support
of
hb2074.
I
realized
that
hb2331
did
pass
through
and
that
it
has
some
similarities
with
the
paper
ballot.
However,
it
did
not
address
the
one
important
component
in
the
hb
2074
does
have
on
the
ballot,
and
that
is
the
presence
of
security
identifiers
such
as
an
identifier
or
a
watermark,
and
why
is
that
important?
E
The
state
of
tennessee
has
not
had
a
widespread
use
of
paper
ballots
in
the
past.
As
you
know,
roughly
67
of
the
count
or
67
counties
do
not
currently
use
paper
ballots,
and
so
we
did
not
incur
a
lot
of
the
problems
that
the
states
did
that
use
a
lot
of
paper
ballots
in
2020.
However,
the
trajectory
is
changing
with
bills
like
hb,
2331
and
hb2074,
and
we
are
looking
to
use
more
paper
ballots,
which
is
a
great
thing.
E
However,
there
were
the
problems
that
happened
in
the
states
that
did
use
them,
and
we
are
saying
there
are
ways
that
we
can
learn
from
some
of
those
mistakes
and
some
of
the
things
that
happen.
Many
people
think
that
the
only
problem
with
ballots
that
happened
in
these
other
states
were
the
mail-in
ballots.
Well,
that
is
incorrect.
There
have
been
studies
done
and
there
has
been
research
done
on
what
happened
in
some
of
these
states.
E
In
georgia,
for
instance,
they
were
able
to
get
the
batches
publicized
for
to
some
of
some
groups
that
requested
them
through
a
foia
request
to
get
those
documents
and
they
found
a
lot
of
problems
with
in-person
as
well
as
mail-in
ballots.
They
came.
There
were
hundreds
of
thousands
of
ballot
problems
and
some
of
those
included
the
in-person
ballots,
such
as
duplicate
tabulating.
E
The
time
stamps
were
off.
These
are
a
lot
of
ballots
that
we're
talking
about,
so
there
were
problems
with
in-person
ballots.
So
what
we're
saying
here
is
that
the
problems
occurred
mostly
because
they
did
not
have
secure
identifiers,
and
so
these
things
could
get
through
the
tabulation
process
without
being
noted
as
either
double
scanned
or
a
counterfeit
ballot
or
ballot
that
was
duplicated.
We
did,
they
did
not
know
if,
like
you
saw
like,
I
did
all
the
suitcases
that
were
pulled
out
under
the
tables
at
two
o'clock.
E
In
the
morning,
the
questions
arose
were
ballots
deleted
and
new
batches
put
in,
were
they
duplicated
through
the
process
without
a
secure
identifier?
There's
no
way
to
know
that
you
saw
that
there
were
problems
in
arizona
also
as
a
result
of
the
problems
in
2020,
a
couple
of
states
have
already
taken
action
in
arizona
through
the
senate,
they've
already
passed
legislation
for
unique
identifiers
and
security
measures
on
their
ballots.
In
addition,
georgia
passed
sb
202
this
year.
E
That
makes
those
ballot
images
a
public
record,
so
people
can
look
at
them
and
actually
go
in
and
see
the
ballots
in
their
counties
and
in
their
state.
In
addition,
just
last
week
we
had
ballot
election
officials
and
tennis
in
texas
and
in
michigan
that
were
either
arrested
or
forced
to
resign
because
of
ballot
tampering.
E
E
What
are
we
asking
for
here
today?
We
need
to
fix
that
amendment,
and
we
also
would
like
to
look
learn
from
the
issues
that
were
that
occurred
in
the
other
states
and
know
that
our
ballots
that
are
cast
is
only
one
illegal
ballot
per
person.
They
cannot
be
duplicated,
omitted
or
scanned
more
than
once
in
support
of
hb2074.
F
F
E
F
E
G
D
D
E
Well,
the
good
thing
about
that
would
be
that
if
the
criminal
so
to
speak,
element
figures
out
what
your
identifiers
are,
you
have
the
opportunity
to
change
them.
It
would
be
like
for
counterfeiting
any
kind
of
currency.
They
might
change
that
up
at
different
times.
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
that
representative.
D
D
F
E
Well,
there's
two
ways
you
can
do
this
one
is
a
very
inexpensive
scanner
that
can
kick
out
a
you
know,
a
counterfeit
bill,
just
like
they
do
in
the
banks.
The
other
way
is
the
current
tabulators
that
I
know
that
we
have
that
are
used,
have
an
ability
to
take
a
valid
image
as
it
goes
through.
That's
what
happened
in
georgia.
It
was
actually
the
dominion
tabulator,
so
there
are
tabulators
that
do
take
a
picture
of
the
image
so
that
what
it
gives
you
is
a
check
and
balance.
E
F
Yeah,
I
guess
one
of
the
concerns
that
many
people
have
as
well
as
I
do
is
that
if,
if
you
have
just
a
tabulating
machine,
then
that's
great
but
anytime,
you
add
more
bells
and
whistles
to
it.
It's
not
a
tabulating
machine
anymore.
So
if
you,
if
you
take
a
tabulator
and
then
you
add
a
unique
identifier
on
on
a
paper
ballot
of
which
most
of
the
fraud
that
you
discussed
in
the
state-
that's
not
inside.
That's
not
inside
the
borders
of
tennessee.
Most
of
those
were
paper
ballots.
F
So
so
and
we
didn't
have
any
problems,
so
I
guess
my
concern
is
if
the
problem
is
machines
which
I
here
can
be
tampered
with,
then
the
more
complex
the
machine,
the
more
opportunity
you
have
to
tamper
with
it.
Does
that
not
concern
you
at
all
by
opening
tennessee
to
more
paper
ballots
and
more
machines?
I'm.
E
Not
asking
for
another
machine
what
this
bill
is
just
saying
that
the
tabulator,
because
it
does
have
the
capacity
to
take
an
image
of
a
digital
image,
that
that
identifier
would
have
a
digital
image
attached
to
it,
which
gives
you
just
the
check
and
balance
against
the
paper
that
comes
out
of
the
tabulator.
If
there
was
a
concern,
you
have
two
artifacts
now
you
have
a
digital
image
with
those
identifiers
that
tie
it
back
to
the
actual
ballots
in
the
event
that
there
were
a
problem.
Okay,.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
ma'am.
The
scope
of
the
bill.
That's
before
us
today
is
just
election
day,
election
site
and
you're,
suggesting
to
us
that
we
should
have
and
I'm
let
me
back
up
and
say
I'm
from
knox
county,
where
the
new
method
of
working
at
the
poll
voting
at
the
poll
is
to
take
a
piece
of
paper
and
mark
it,
and
then
that's
tabulated.
H
E
The
ballot
that
there
are
ballots
that
are
out
there
that
have
been
costed
and
they're
about
25
cents
per
million.
Currently
some
of
the
ballot
marking
devices
are
upwards
of
above
30
cents
per
ballot,
so
there's
going
to
be
a
charge
for
the
ballot
one
way
or
the
other
and
in
the
old
system
where
people
just
went
out
and
had
the
ballot
printed
in
the
state
of
tennessee.
D
H
So
let
me
be
a
little
bit
more
to
the
point.
Did
you
were
you
mentioning,
then
ballots
that
were
mailed
out
and
received
back
because
we're
just
speaking
here
on
on
the
bill?
Only
those
pieces
of
paper
used
in
the
polling
place
where
you've
been
identified
by
your
id
card
where
you've
been
checked
into
the
book,
and
then
you
receive
a
piece
of
paper
which
is
then
marked
by
the
individual,
and
only
that
one
piece
of
paper
can
be
retained
by
the
polling
place
placed
in
a
locked
box
and
used
for
future
reference.
Men's
arms.
D
I
D
I
Dennis
holtz
dixon
county,
it's
cheaper
to
use
an
optical
scanner
than
to
go
with
these
big
complicated
machines.
I
mean
in
the
long
run
you're
going
to
amortize
the
costs
out
and
obviously
that
would
be
an
easy
way
to
go.
The
main
concern.
I've
we've
been
talking
with
15
different
groups
in
the
state
of
tennessee
that
are
all
seriously
concerned
about
election
integrity.
In
fact,
they
consider
it
their
number
one
issue:
they
are
looking
for
a
secure
ballot
and
that
is
top
on
their
list.
I
I
believe
that
within
the
next
few
months,
you'll
probably
see
litigation
in
west
tennessee.
I
think
there
already
is
litigation
middle
tennessee
and
litigation
in
east
tennessee
on
the
2020
elections,
and
I
at
least
what
I've
heard
this
is
in
the
process
right
now.
So
what
that
means
is
the
public,
whatever
is
being
done,
does
not
right
now
trust
the
election
process.
I
I
Allow
all
okay,
no
props,
so
70
percent
of
the
united
states
population
votes
with
paper
ballots,
tennessee
has
been
down
under
20,
probably
under
17
tennessee
is
now
moving
into
this
realm,
the
70
percent
of
the
united
states
that
does
use
paper
ballots.
Obviously,
those
paper
ballots
have
not
worked.
We've
seen
what's
happened
in
many
of
the
swing
states,
and
the
point
is
that
they
are
now
learning
the
lessons
and
moving
forward.
I
So
our
belief
is
if
tennessee
is
taking
a
step
to
go
to
paper
ballots,
which
it
is
and
going
from
machines
that
did
not
have
any
means
of
recording
or
verifying
what
was
happening
other
than
what
was
inside
the
machine.
Then
it
needs
to
learn.
Tennessee
should
learn
and
stay
in
the
front
of
what
happens
with
election
integrity
nationwide,
and
the
way
that
happens
is
for
this.
This
bill
to
be
approved.
It's
a
simple
overlay
over
all
the
other
things
that
are
being
considered
about
paper
ballots.
I
D
J
Mark
owens
coordinator
of
elections
for
the
state
of
tennessee
what
I
don't
know
what
questions
you're
going
to
have,
but
one
thing
for
the
record:
I
do
want
to
make
clear
in
2020
the
only
lawsuit
that
I'm
avail
that
I'm
aware
of
was
a
city
race.
I
think
is
decided
by
one
vote
and
the
court
upheld
that
that
election.
J
So
I
think
the
previous
speaker
said
there's
some
lawsuits
filed
we're
not
other
states,
I
mean
we.
We
did
not
have
any
one
on
the
federal
state
level
challenge
the
election
results
in
the
november
2020
election.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
record
is
clear,
and
I
would
know
this
because
if
there
was
a
lawsuit,
I'm
the
one
that
gets
sued.
K
J
I
think
it
makes
elections
more
complicated
and
so
so
there's
different
ways
to
look
at
it.
If
you
put
a
unique
identifier
on
the
ballot,
what
you're
going
to
have
is
some
voters,
and
maybe
the
majority
of
voters
say
I
see
a
unique
identifier
on
there.
You
know
how
I
voted,
and
that
is
the
negative
to
it.
I
think
the
legislature,
you
know
some
folks
say
after
2020
they
woke
up
and
started
thinking
about
election
integrity.
J
You
know
secretary
hargett
and
this
committee
and
myself
this
is
my
13th
year
into
it
and,
and
you
all
built
a
structure
that
has
us
currently
ranked
number
three
in
the
entire
nation.
As
far
as
election
security,
85
percent
of
the
people
in
the
poll
that
was
done
recently
said
they
had
had
confidence
in
the
election.
That
doesn't
mean
that
everyone
has
confidence
in
the
election,
but
what
it
does
say
when
you
compare
us
to
other
states,
they
like
the
way,
the
processes
that
you
all
have
built.
J
H
K
J
Well,
I
I
think
you
know
you
certainly
would
have
some
questions
about
the
unique
identifier.
I
think
some
people
would
talk
about
that
as
far
as
slow
the
process
down,
I
mean
we're
focused
on
section
three
but
realize
there's
other
sections
as
well
as
well.
I
mean
section
one
that
would
require
new
voting
machine
technology
for
at
least
45
counties.
You
know
micro
vote
equipment
and
that's
a
policy
decision.
J
If
y'all
don't
think
micro
votes
should
be
going
forward,
then
I'll
accept
that
and
we'll
work
with
that,
but
you'll
have
some
some
new
training
with
that,
not
just
with
the
voters,
voter
education,
but
also
with
the
folks
that
work,
the
precincts
so
you'll
have
some.
You
know:
you'll
have
some
potential
issues
there.
J
J
K
J
Yeah
on
this,
this
would
increase
so
the
the
representative
brickinsville
that
he
has
it
it's
less,
because
the
thought
process
is
they
potentially
will
continue
to
use
some
of
the
equipment
that's
currently
employed
and
when
they
do
the
rfps.
If
you
look
at
the
numbers,
typically
some
equipment's
a
little
cheaper.
When
you
look
at
this,
the
cost
does
go
up
some
more,
so
there
would
be
more
money
that
would
have
to
be
utilized
to
fund
this
bill.
J
J
Yeah,
you
know
that's
one
of
the
things
you
can't
predict.
You
know
so
far
as
as
we've
testified
before
we
we
don't
have.
As
far
as
machines.
We've
had
some
some
chain
issues,
but
machines
hasn't
been
one
of
them,
yet
it
could
be.
You
never
know,
but
thus
far
we've
not
had
that
issue.
We've
had
have
had
it
with
the
ballot
component
of
it.
You
certainly
could
have
issues
we.
We
have
an
issue
right
now
with
ballots.
In
fact,
there's
a
congressional
hearing.
J
I
think
thursday,
that
I'm
going
to
be
listening
to
that
is
talking
about
some
of
the
paper
issues
that
shortages
that
are
being
faced,
not
just
in
in
tennessee
but
in
other
states
as
well.
We're
fortunate
in
that,
when
it
comes
to
absentee
by
mail
balloting,
we
don't
have
a
large
number,
that's
requesting
that
ballot,
so
we
may
be
hit
less
than
some
of
the
other
states.
Thank
you,
chairman.
D
The
chairman
will
take
privilege
here
and
just
make
the
committee
aware.
According
to
the
fiscal
responsibility,
it
would
increase
state
revenues
by
over
13
million
and
local
expenditures
for
13
million,
and
that
was
I
think
that
was
prepared
with
the
amendment
and
I
don't
know
what
it
would
be
without
so
representative
shaw,
you're,
recognized.
L
J
L
J
L
B
D
L
J
I
haven't
received
it
from
another
state.
It's
certainly
something
I've
been
following.
You
know
in
some
other
states
where
they're,
where
they're
bringing
charges,
but
it's
very
what
I've
seen
is
fairly
similar
to
what
what
we
have.
You
know
we
had
less
than
20
and
some
of
the
other
states-
that's
that's
where
they
are
as
well,
but
it's
not
necessarily
a
notification
from
another
state.
J
L
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
director,
goins,
a
quick
question
or
a
couple
quick
questions.
The
poll
watcher
component
did
we
have
I've
heard
of
discussion
in
other
states
where
they
had
issues
where
people
poll
watchers
weren't
able
to
get
in.
I
know
in
order
to
have
additional
poll
watchers
other
than
those
that
are
folks
that
are
there
on
behalf
of
election
commission,
were
there
any
people
that
were
denied
access
as
long
as
they
followed
the
rules
about
registering
early
with
the
election
commission?
Mr
goins.
J
The
only
issue
I
know
of
in
2020
was
a
gentleman
would
not
wear
a
mask
and
and
if
someone
was
inside
the
polling
location,
that's
going
to
be
there
all
day
in
order
to
protect
the
poll
watch
workers
and
all
that
he
he
objected,
but
he
he
he
watched.
He
put
his
mask
on
and
watched.
That's
the
only
objection
that
I
know
in
2020.,
chairman
williams,.
F
Okay,
as
it
relates,
I
know
you
mentioned
some
earlier
about
microvote
and
representative
brick
in
the
chairman
bricken's
bill
that
that
bill
would
not
eliminate
any
of
the
current.
His
bill
would
not
eliminate
any
of
the
kurdish
current
voting
machines
that
we
have
it,
but
would
allow
for
some
of
the
those
to
be
modified
so
that
all
would
have
a
verifiable
paper
trail.
Is
that
correct?
That's
correct!
F
Okay,
however,
if
this
bill
is
to
pass
districts
like
mine
that
do
use
microvote,
their
machines
would
be
in
invalid,
so
they
couldn't
use
them
at
all.
Is
that
correct?
That's
correct,
okay!
So
that's
where
the
13.9
million
dollar
variance
in
this
fiscal
note
versus
other
fiscal
notes.
I
did
notice
that
in
representative
griffey's
bill
it
showed
an
effective
date
starting
in
the
2024
elections.
F
D
J
F
Yeah
last
week
we
had
discussion
about
the
hit
an
amendment
he
was
going
to
go
work
on
an
amendment
over
the
weekend,
get
back
with
the
members
try
to
sort
out.
You
know
some
challenges
that
we
had
with
the
bill.
Did
his
office
contact
you
anything
on
any
mandatory
language.
This
past
week,
his
office.
J
F
F
I
guess
my
concern
is:
is
that
under
this
current
bill,
I'd
eliminate
the
voting
machines
from
my
community,
therefore
having
a
50
shared
cost
in
my
local
community
to
do
that,
and
then
we
would
introduce
thirdly,
paper
ballots
of
which
we
currently
don't
have,
but
all
the
evidence
of
fraud
that
we
had
that
we
got
to
see
on
social
media
in
the
presidential
election
were
the
utilization
of
paper
ballots.
Does
that
in
most
cases
where
the
utilization
of
paper
ballots
pulling
them
out
from
under
tables,
as
we
all
saw
in
in
videos?
J
So
I
think
when
you're
looking
at
the
two
different,
you
certainly
have
to
have
the
proper
chain
of
custody
in
place,
and
you
do
have
to
be
very
vigilant
when
you
have
a
paper-based
system,
but
the
flip
side
of
that
is
the
the
confidence
that
you
have
in
case.
Something
were
to
happen,
or
in
case
you
need.
You
know
when
there's
a
very
close
election.
You
need
to
come
back
in
and
do
a
recount
you'll
have
the
ability
to
do
that
in
a
in
a
better
fashion.
F
Williams,
finally,
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
had
the
opportunity,
the
great
disdain
of
having
a
contested
election
in
in
my
state
senate
district
many
years
ago,
utilizing
some
of
the
same
means
by
which
and
and
during
that
process.
I
was
amazed
at
how
much
we
were
able
to
verify
as
related
to
that
contested
election.
It
was
between
the
previous
state
senator
from
my
district
and
you're
the
the
system.
F
You
don't
really
know
if
the
system
works
until
you
had
the
challenge,
someone
challenged
an
election.
In
this
instance,
we
did,
we
did
have
a
challenge
to
the
election
and
the
results
came
back,
identical
and
so
appreciate
your
hard
work
and
all
your
department
does
and
make
sure
our
elections
are
safe
and
and
and
we're
able
to
verify
that
that
the
results
that
we
had
are
in
fact
good.
So
thank
you.
D
J
D
C
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman,
for
the
opportunity
to
address
some
of
the
issues
that
were
brought
up
under
current
law,
the
with
judge
with
representative
bricken's
bill,
or
this
bill.
The
current
microvote
system
is
going
to
be
outlawed
that
that's
not
going
to
that
will
be
no
longer
be
legal,
and
my
position
is
under
my
bill.
C
Microvote
would
still
be
allowed,
because
what
microvote
has
is
a
module
that
they
attached
to
it,
and
it
was
up
in
the
the
eighth
floor
with
all
the
other
voting
machines
that
runs
a
paper
tape
along
that
when
the
boater
selects
the
selection
on
the
screen.
It
records
those
on
the
paper
tape
and
that's,
what's
recorded
and
tabulated
according
to
the
vendor
microphone
vendor.
So
I
submit
that
mine
would
not
outlaw
a
microvote.
C
It
would
the
current
system,
which
is
simply
a
dre,
a
digital
recording
electronic
voting
machine
and
that's
the
problem
we
have
in
tennessee
and
that's
the
main
problem.
I
was
trying
to
address
with
this
legislation
because,
right
now
we
can
all
sit
here
and
say:
we've
got
a
great
election
system,
but
if
somebody
had
hacked
one
of
the
dres
in
a
prior
election,
we
can't
prove
that
now,
there's
no
way
to
go
back
and
prove
that
and
that's
the
problem
we
have
in
tennessee.
We
need
to
get
away
from
that.
C
So
we
have
some
kind
of
paper
audit
trail
and
go
back
and
verify
that
the
machine
is
actually
counting
the
way
the
people
have
marked
on
the
paper
or
the
ballot
marking
devices
to
have
does.
When
you
select
the
thing
and
if
you
will
remember
when
jeanette
kernice
with
the
hardin
county
election
commission
spoke,
she
said
that
they
use
the
ballot
marking
devices
and
it's
scanned
with
a
separate
scanner.
C
But
what
they
do
is
they
take
the
actual
hard
hard
copy
ballots
and
they
verify
the
counts
on
those
are
matching
the
council
machine
and,
to
me,
that's
a
very
secure
system
and
I
think
that
would
probably
that's
probably
the
the
best
system
unless
you're
going
to
go
to
handmark
paper
ballots
and
hand
counting
by
yourself.
So
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
do
with
this
bill
and
it's
the
consideration
on
the
expense.
C
It's
my
understanding
of
the
coordinator
elections
already
has
significant
amount
of
money
to
try
to
assist
locals
in
the
purchase
of
new
equipment
when
they
have
when
they
decide
to
recycle
it
through.
So
it's
my
understanding.
There
were
sufficient
funds
for
that,
for
it
was
a
u.s
department
of
elections.
C
I
believe
homeland
security
grant
funding
on
the
security
features
provision
section
three.
It
simply
says
the
coordinator
of
election
shall
prescribe
security
features
that
must
be
used
on
paper
ballots.
The
security
features
may
include
watermarks
fluorescence,
digital
holograms
or
a
unique
identifier
that
ensures
no
ballot
can
be
duplicated
or
counted
more
than
once.
The
of
elections
may
change
about
security
features
from
election
election.
It
is
the
intent
of
the
general
assembly
that
the
coordinator
elections,
shall
you
or
the
coordinator
of
election,
use
all
reasonable
features.
Security
features
to
ensure
the
security
of
the
elections.
C
That's
all
it
does
we're
not.
I
wanted
to
give
the
coordinated
elections
as
much
flexibility
as
possible,
so
what
this
bill
is
simply
trying
to
do
is
move
us
away
from
the
dre
machines
similar
to
rush
brick
and
spiel,
but
I
think
mike's
got
a
little
more
additional
security
features
in
it.
So
I
would
respectfully
ask
you
to
the.
D
Chairman
would
take
privilege
here,
and
I
just
want
to
clarify
one
thing.
You
said
in
your
statement
there
that
they
had
money
to
take
care
of
these,
and
not
all
counties
will
be
made
whole
if
they
bought
their
machines.
This
year
they
don't
fall
into
that
category.
It's
going
to
cost
my
county
over
400,
some
thousand
dollars,
so
not
all
of
them.
C
F
F
The
the
coordinator
of
elections,
testified
that
he's
trying
to
get
the
money,
not
just
for
a
version
of
yours,
but
also
a
version
of
brickens,
because
it's
already
gone
through
this,
this
committee
and
and
other
committees,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
there's
no
guarantee
we're
going
to
get
this
money.
So
we
so
by
passing
your
bill,
we're
telling
our
local
communities,
in
particular
my
community,
that
I
have
to
throw
out
everything
and
that
they're
going
to
have
to
fund
it
for
your
build.
C
F
The
the
the
other
bill
is
less
money
by
nature.
I
mean
to
say
that
you
brought
all
of
us
a
sandwich
today,
so
we
could
eat
lunch,
but
only
I
received
one
doesn't
mean
we
all
left
full
and
so,
if
the
budget,
if,
if
the
budget
doesn't
apply,
I
don't
and
it
becomes
non-void,
I
don't
know
how
that
can
that
can
work,
it's
simply
untenable,
so
either
either
we
have
to
pass
a
bill
that
can
get
funded
or
or
we
can't.
F
I
understand
this
is
not
the
place
where
we
do
the
funding,
but
when
we
do
have
something
that
costs
less.
That's
already
been
before
this
committee
that
meets
many
of
the
same
criteria
as
the
one
you
just
described
and
it
costs
less
because
under
your
bill,
my
community
would
have
to
buy
all
new
machines
under
the
previous
bill
that
came
through
here.
Those
machines
can
be
modified,
so
they're
the
cost
differential,
especially
when
it's
an
unfunded
mandate,
which
is
what
your
bill
does
unfunded
50
of
the
total.
C
It's
my
understanding
that
there's
money
to
help
your
county
purchase
new
machines
and,
under
my
bill,
it's
my
position
that
that
same
money
would
be
used
for
purchasing
new
machines
that
would
comply
with
this
law.
I
don't
think
this
law
is
material
difference.
As
far
as
the
ballot
marking
device's
paper
ballot
trail
requirement
in
representative
brickens
bill.
F
Chairman
williams,
that
you're
operating
under
the
assumption
that
they're
the
boat
that
the
the
the
pot
of
money
is
bottomless
under
your
premise.
That's
the
only
way
you
can
do
it
is
that
the
the
month
you
could
even
say
that
is
that
you
believe
that
the
funding
mechanism
is
a
bottomless
pit
and
that
we
can
get
all
the
money
that
we
need.
Representative.
C
Griffin,
well,
I
think,
that's
unfair
characterization.
I
think
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
based
upon
the
testimony
coordinator,
goings
made
during
representative
bricken's
bill
that
there
is
a
pot
of
money
that
they
felt
could
meet.
Russ
brick
representative
rickens
bill
and
I
submit
to
you
my
bill
is
not
material
different
from
russ
bricken's
bill
regarding
the
purchase
of
new
machines.
F
F
That
was
not
communicated
about
your
bill,
except
for
today.
For
the
first
time
he
said
he
would
try,
in
the
same
fashion
that
he
did,
but
the
amount
of
money
that
he
has
to
attain
under
the
previous
bill
that
meets
a
lot
of
the
same
criteria
as
yours
does
is
less
money
and
it
doesn't
eliminate
35
to
other
election
commissions.
So
I
appreciate
it
and
I
apologize
to
the
members
for
going
around
the
round
on
this
issue.
Thank
you,
representative.
D
D
D
C
D
D
C
D
C
C
D
You've
heard
the
sponsor's
explanation
of
the
amendment.
Is
there
any
questions
on
the
amendment
saying
none
we're
ready
to
vote
on
amendment
1499,
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
opposed
no,
the
eyes
have
it.
The
bill
is
now
amended,
you're
recognized
on
2305,
and
I
believe
you
said
that
that
made
the
bill.
Is
that
correct
it
does?
Mr
is.
C
Comment
please
brief.
You're
recognized!
Thank
you.
This
does
have
a
large
physical
note.
I
actually
kind
of
fully
expected
tbi
the
comptroller
and
the
da's
office
to
be
in
here
in
favor
of
because
it
would
give
them
additional
personnel
to
assist
them
in
their
full-time
activities,
while
still
letting
them
get
this
specialized
training
for
election
crime.
So,
but
I
know
it's
got
to
be
a
physical
note,
but
I
just
submit
that
to
the
committee's
consideration.
D
D
A
G
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
mr
chairman
and
members.
This.
What
this
bill
would
do
is
require
the
election
commission
to
designate
restroom
facilities
in
each
building
right
now.
Our
campaign
workers
often
work
long
hours,
free
of
charge
and
they're
really
interested
in
participation.
This
bill
will
allow
campaign,
workers
or
volunteers
to
use
the
restrooms
within
the
facilities.
G
Generally,
they
work
long
long
hours
at
night
and
in
some
places
they're
not
allowed
to
go
in
and
use
the
restroom,
so
they
have
to
leave,
go
home
and
come
back
and
stuff
like
that,
and
we're
trying
to
preclude
that
most
of
the
facilities
are
church
or
gym
a
community
center,
so
they
all
have
the
facility,
the
restaurant
facilities
there.
This
would
just
say
that
the
election
commission
would
not
have
a
problem
with
them
going
in
and
using
the
restroom
as
long
as
they
don't
have
on
campaign
material
and
stuff
like
that.
A
G
K
G
H
F
G
A
I
know
there
there
has
been
incidents.
I
remember
back
in
the
old
days
and
the
80s
and
90s
when
I
first
got
started,
we
used
to
go
in
and
had
to
cover
up
our
campaign.
We
weren't
allowed
to
talk
to
voters
right.
I
know,
there's
been
reports
in
certain
jurisdictions
across
the
state
that
sometimes
when
the
workers
or
volunteers
for
campaigns
go
in,
they
start
campaigning
and
it's
hard
to
get
them
out,
or
they
start
talking
with
friends
of
theirs
in
line
and
that's
not
allowed.
A
J
So
yeah
mark
owens
coordinator
of
elections,
and
I
guess
I'm
partially
to
blame.
So
it's
been
the
law
for
some
time,
but
it's
been
more
strictly
enforced
since
the
karida
case
and
the
korita
case,
if
you
remember
rosalind,
corrida
had
won
the
primary
by
a
number
of
votes.
But
then
the
party
came
in
and
said
because
of
violations.
J
J
We
have
instructed
the
counties,
I
don't
know
about
the
1800s,
maybe
I
don't
know
what
that
would
be,
but
we,
although
it
was
sort
of
you
know
like
I
say
this-
is
within
the
100
boundaries
and
chairman
williams
is
correct.
We're
talking
about
the
people
who
are
campaigning
for
individuals
and
and
so
by
analogy
you
had
corida,
who
was
a
candidate
people
would
be
campaigning.
J
We
would
hope
that
they
wouldn't,
but
this
is
a
tough
bill.
Honestly,
I
mean
I
see
it
both
ways,
but
what
what
concerns
me
is
is
is
the
create
a
scenario,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
the
legislature
passes
this,
like
I
say
we
will,
we
will
do
our
best
to
make
sure
those
facilities
are
there.
But
that
is
the
danger.
You
will
be
potentially
giving
a
loophole
to
the
campaigning
within
the
100
foot
boundary,
because
we
don't
have
poll
officials
that
can
police
this.
J
J
It
did
you
know,
I
mean
it
actually
did
so
I
I
can.
I
can
also
tell
you
from
this-
is
one
from
on
a
personal
level.
My
father,
who
has
been
on
the
ballot,
got
absolutely
liberated
with
me
because
he
couldn't
go
in
and
use
the
restroom
he's
a
diabetic.
So
I
see
both
sides,
but
frankly
I
told
that
us,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
someone
sees
you
or
one
of
your
campaign
workers
going
in
there
they're
going
to
think
you're
trying
to
do
something.
You
know
improperly
influencing
the
election.
J
J
The
county
mayor
has
to
go
to
his
office,
but
people
will
call
and
say
I
should
win
the
election
because
the
county
mayor
is
working
in
his
office,
which
is
within
the
100
foot
boundary.
That's
actually
not
the
penalty.
The
penalty
going
beyond
the
one
boundary
campaigning
is
a
misdemeanor,
but
you
know
it's
very
difficult
to
get.
You
know
no
one's
gonna.
It's
very
difficult
to
get
someone
prosecuted
you'd
have
to
basically
just
not
you
know,
you'd
have
to
just
be
blatant
and
not
leave.
K
J
I
get
it,
I
get
the
human
side
and,
and
so
what
we
tell
people
I
get
calls
on
this.
You
know
mainly
from
davis
and
shelby.
I
say:
well,
you
know,
they're
your
workers,
you
need
to
be
responsible
for
the
bathroom
facilities,
we're
responsible
for
it,
for
our
workers
and
for
the
voters.
Okay,
but
that's
the
danger
you
run
and
then
some
of
these
polling
locations,
particularly
if
you're
in
a
rural
area,
the
bathroom's
gonna,
be
very
close
to
the
boating
voting
arena.
K
A
E
J
J
Well,
you
wouldn't
not
be
losing
I
mean
so
I
tightened
it
up
based
on
well.
I
say
that
I
don't
know
what
my
predecessor
did.
Frankly,
I
just
tightened
it
up
after
I
read
the
karita
case.
It
may
be
that
they
were
doing
it
before
I
don't
know,
but
it
it
certainly
would
in
the
voting
area,
the
only
people
supposed
to
be
there
poll
watchers
voters,
poll
officials
and
those
who
have
credentials
media
those
things.
So
yes,
this
would
be
losing
that
law.
Chairman.
A
J
They
would
have
to
be,
they
would
have
to
cover
it
up.
Like
I
say
once
again,
it
becomes
a
police
issue
where,
if
they
walk
in
there,
really
it's
going
to
be
another
voter's
going
to
have
to
tell
us
that
that
individual
has
it
or
the
other.
I
wouldn't
call
it
trick,
but
the
other
thing
that
we
learn
from
time
to
time
is
that
folks
like
to
bring
material
in
and
kind
of
display
it
as
folks
have
to
walk
by,
but
then
sometimes
that's
just
organic.
J
Somebody
hands
you
a
card
as
you
walk
in
the
precinct
and
you
lay
it
down,
but
we
that's
a
frequent
complaint.
We
get
is
that
campaign
material
somehow
makes
it
into
within
that
100
foot
boundary
and
I've
got
various.
You
know
like
I
say
it
could
be
organic.
Somebody
gives
you
cards,
you
lay
it
down
and
then
again
it
could
be
somebody
wanting
to
make
sure
you
see
it
as
you
walk
by
vice.
H
H
H
L
L
J
I
don't
know
how
you
police,
that
I
mean
honestly,
you
know
our
poll
officials
there
to
run
the
election
more
than
or
anything
else,
and
you
know
we're
not
really
the
this
is
a
unique
yeah.
I
feel
as
awkward
testifying
about
this,
as
you
all
probably
feel
about
voting
on
it,
but
you
know
we're
we're
not
the
bathroom
police
in
the
end,
and
this
may
be
one
of
those
things
if
you
are
going
to
postpone
it.
J
Most
of
your
administrators
will
tell
you
in
2020.
In
november
aside
from
covid,
the
people
trying
to
wear
campaign
stuff
into
the
polling
location
was
was
was
one
of
the
top
issues
we
faced
and,
and
I
mean
we've
had
folks,
you
tell
them,
take
it
off
and
they
really
take
it
off.
We've
had
we've
had
a
lady
take
off
her
shirt,
we've
had
a
a
male
take
off
his
shirt.
Obviously
one
gets
more
attention
than
the
other,
but
I
mean
those
things
happen.
J
A
A
We
we
had.
We
had
two
people
that
wanted
to
ask
questions
if
you
want
to
hold
off
but
or
are
they
willing
to
wave?
Okay,
we
have
a
question
on
the
bill.
There
are
no
objections
to
calling
the
question
seeing
none
we're
now
voting
on
the
bill.
All
those
in
favor
of
the
bill
say:
aye
opposed,
nay,
aye
scary
goes
on
to
full
local.
A
A
Well,
I've
had
mr
chairman,
I've
had
I've
had
several
people
come
to
me.
Ask
me
questions
and
I
said
well,
you
need
to
we'll
need
to
ask
in
committee.
It
is
somewhat
of
a
complicated
formula.
I
would,
I
know,
there's
a
possibility.
I
think
it
needs
to
be
studied
and
it
needs
to
be
looked
at
and
researched
and
I
don't
know,
is
what
is
what
does
people
think
vice
chairman
wright.
A
We
have
a
motion,
second
sender,
send
to
summer
study
any
any
further
questions.
If
not
hearing
none,
we
will
take
the
folks
to
send
hb
1992
to
summer
study.
All
those
in
favor
say
aye
opposed,
nay,
ice
habit
goes
to
summer
study.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
chairman.
The
members
next
up
will
be
hb
hb
1914
by
representative
eldridge,
and
he
shows
up
right
on
cue.
A
B
B
We've
had
an
issue
back
in
our
place
where
some
people
that
they're
saying
because
they're
posting
on
youtube
and
using
some
social
media
that
they're
they
consider
themselves.
Media
and
they've
actually
been
going
into
where
people
are
voting,
and
this
bill
is
just
asking
if
they
be
allowed
to
to
establish
some
guidelines
and
and
credential
their
media.
L
A
B
A
A
K
A
K
Bill.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
This
bill's
intent
is
to
ensure
that
the
state
of
tennessee
does
not
contract
into
an
agreement
with
other
states
or
entities
that
withhold
information
from
the
public
inspection
when
conducting
voter
roll
list.
Maintenance
such
as
eric
this
bill
relieves
pressure
from
the
local
county
election
commissions,
adding
that
all
registration,
verification
processes
be
the
responsibility
of
both
county
election
commission
and
the
state
coordinator.
A
K
L
A
J
L
J
So
I
think
this
bill
is
aimed
at
at
a
current
compact
of
states
that
are
sharing
this
information.
I
actually
think
the
way
the
law
is
currently
written.
We
couldn't
enter
in
to
an
agreement
with
eric
anyway,
because
actually,
the
way
eric
works
is
it's
a
group
of
states,
that's
kind
of
come
together
in
a
compact
and
the
way
our
law
says
is
that
I'm
authorized
to
enter
into
agreements
with
other
states,
for
example
virginia
currently
under
law.
J
If
I
want
to
enter
into
an
agreement
with
virginia,
we
could
share
voter
rolls,
but
what
this
would
do
this
would
explicitly
so
this
specific
organization,
if
we
were
in
that
compact,
there's
some
concerns
that
you're
not
able
to
get
certain
records
through
public
records,
but
we
are
not
a
member.
I
actually
think
that
to
become
a
member,
it
would
take
specific
legislation
to
do
so,
but
this
bill
does
do
more
than
just
that.
But
that's
that's!
The
eric
component.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
that
was
my
question
when
I
talked
to
the
sponsor
and
he
brought
the
amendment
to
me.
I
think
he
was
under
the
impression
that
the
only
thing
we
were
dealing
with
was
the
compact
situation,
but
after
reading
and
getting
into
the
bill,
I
feel
like
it
changes
some
of
the
things
that
I've
already
done
this
year
as
well
as
other
representatives
is
there
any?
Is
that
right
or
am
I
wrong.
J
F
Williams,
similar
along
the
same
lines,
what
what
I
don't
want
to
do
is
that
have
multiple
bills
that
are
in
conflict
with
each
other
in
state
statute,
just
because
they're
different
from
one
another.
I
guess
my
concern
is
if,
under
the
current
premise,
if
the
I
think
represent
or
chairman
crawford,
I
think
chairman
zach
zachary
may
have
a
bill
as
well
and
then
representing
warner.
If
all
three
of
those
for
are
find
favor
and
make
it
across
the
finish
line,
would
would
we
be?
J
Yeah
yeah
specific
so
representative
zachary
in
the
original
bill
that
his
language
has
been
taken
out,
but
there's
still
conflict
there
somewhat
with
what
chairman
crawford's
doing,
but
the
other
thing
that
this
does
and
I
went
by
to
see
the
sponsor
as
well,
but
he
was
he
and
we
briefly
talked,
but
it
was
my
understanding.
This
was
going
to
go
after
eric
as
well,
but
this
would
add
the
state
election
coordinator
to
the
part
where
list
maintenance
is
involved
and
my
concern
is
currently.
J
J
D
A
D
A
K
If
I
may
it
this
bill
is
not
intent.
Is
it
an
intent?
It's
not
intended
to
tell
our
local
election
officials
what
to
do.
It
just
gives
that
option
if
there
needs
to
be
a
case
where
the
state
shouldn't
need
to
step
in
it's.
That's
not
that's,
not
the
bill's
intent
and
if,
if
I
made
mr
chairman
chairman
crawford
what
what
part
of
this
bill
conflicts
with
your
bill,
I'm
not
really
familiar
with
your
bill.
Well,.
D
You,
mr
chairman,
I'm
sorry
about
that.
My
bill
was
the
one
that
we
passed.
That
said,
you
had
must
be
a
u.s
citizen
to
be
able
to
vote
in
any
election.
It
also
had
a
few
other
things.
I
think
that
mr
goins
could
probably
address
a
lot
better
than
I
do,
since
he
deals
with
them
on
a
daily
basis,
but
that
that's
my
concern.
As
chairman
williams
was
speaking.
We
don't
want
to
do
anything
that
would
put
us
in
a
conflict
head-to-head
head.
D
F
So
representative,
I
just
quick
question
chairman
crawford
already
stated
that
he
had
great
affection
for
our
director
of
elections,
but
he
didn't
want
him
making
decisions.
I
guess
the
question
is:
is:
is
it
your
understanding?
Is
it
your
intent?
I
recognize
that
you,
you
think
it's
not
in
the
language,
but
he's
testified
that
the
language
does
say
that
it
enables
him
to
do
that
or
makes
it
permissive.
F
K
Right,
no
and
I
don't
either
I
want
the
locals
to
have
as
much
control
as
as
they
can.
It
just
gives
him
the
option
if
there
ever
need
to
be
a
time
when
he
needs
to
get
involved,
maybe
a
local.
I
can't
give
a
good
example.
Maybe
a
local
election
commission
refuses
to
to
check
one
of
these
things
or
or
don't
you
know,
don't
handle
the
problem
like
they
should
right.
I
think.
A
L
A
I
I
would
suggest
this
just
a
suggestion.
It's
up
to
the
sponsor,
since
there
are
appears
to
be
some
conflicts
going
beyond
the
compacts
you
you
may
want
to
either
take
off
notice
or
roll,
so
you
can
work
this
out
to
make
sure
you're,
not
in
conflict
with
other
legislation.
If
that's
not
your
intent.
A
All
right,
so
we
you
what's
that
so
you
you
taking
off
notice.
Are
you
rolling
okay
with
no
objections,
we're
rolling
to
the
next
week
final
calendar?
Thank
you
next
up
is
we
have
five
minutes,
so
I
don't
guess
we
have
time
to
be
up.
Next.
Next
was
going
to
be
item
10
by
mrs
powell.
I
don't
think
we
have
time
to
address
you.
We
will
be
meeting
here
next
week
same
time,
as
I
say,
same
bat
channel
same
bad
place,
any
any
announcements.
Any
further
excuse
me
all
right.