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House Public Service Subcommittee - March 2, 2022 - House Hearing Room 4
A
A
D
Thank
you,
chairman
of
committee,
and
I
think
it's
the
first
time.
I
know
it's
the
first
time
I've
ever
been
in
front
of
your
committee,
so
thank
you
for
having
me.
Last
year
we
passed
house
bill
1312
unanimously
and
it
protected
the
privacy
of
a
minor
victim
of
a
fatal
motor
vehicle
accident,
as
it
relates
to
photographic
evidence.
D
E
D
I
will
tell
you
what
had
occurred
and
what
brought
this
to
please
to
me.
Last
year
there
was
a
a
daughter,
the
mother,
her
daughter,
was
after
a
football
game,
is
reigning
and
her
daughter
wrecked
and
died
in
in
the
crash,
and
there
were
pictures
taken
of
that
and
those
photographs.
When
the
when
the
mom
was
researching
it.
D
She
became
aware
that
the
picture
that
there
were
the
pictures
and
that
they
could
be
they
were
going
to
be
used,
potentially
be
used
for
training
purposes,
and
she
felt
like
that.
She
needed
the
respect
and
and
the
the
courtesy
she
likely
would
have
allowed
them
to
use
them
for
the
training
purposes
for
the
the
law
enforcement
anyway,
but
she
felt
like
she
needed
that
courtesy
and
there
was
nothing
to
prevent
that
in
law.
D
So
we
did
that
last
year,
when
we
passed
it
last
year,
they
have
like
a
group
whether
it's
a
group
chat
or
facebook,
whatever
it
is,
and
some
of
the
discussion
came
out.
Well,
what
about
you
know
my
19
year
old
or
what
about
my
mom
or
something
like
that,
and
so
that's
why
we're
bringing
the
bill?
This
year,
it's
the
situation.
A
A
F
You
chair,
lady,
in
committee.
The
purpose
of
this
bill
is
to
clarify
current
law.
This
this
bill
takes
what
is
in
existence
in
our
current
law,
which
is
title
4
chapter
21
101,
which
specifies
that
discrimination
is
illegal
in
our
state
on
the
basis
of
race,
creed,
religion,
sex
or
national
origin.
That
is
already
in
the
law.
F
However,
the
point
of
clarity
that
this
bill
adds
to
the
law
is
making
sure
that
everybody
understands
that
this
state
in
this
case
includes
all
of
state
government
subunits,
that
is
to
say
counties,
cities
or
metropolitan
governments,
school
boards,
charter,
school
administrations
and
executive
branch
commissions
and
boards.
Technically
they
are
sub
units
of
state
government,
and
this
bill
makes
sure
that
it
is
in
the
code.
So
there
is
no
no
possibility
for
confusion.
F
It
does
not
invalidate
any
court
orders
or
dissent
consent
degrees.
It
does
not
prohibit
any
valid
occupational
qualification
requirements
on
the
basis
of
sex,
nor
does
it
prohibit
any
federal
funds
or
funded
programs.
It
does
have
a
cause
of
action
for
damages
which
already
exist
under
federal
law.
Technically,
it
does
under
state
law
as
well,
but
this
makes
sure
that
it's
it's
clear
that
a
cause
of
action
is
allowed
under
state
law.
With
that
explanation,
I
stand
ready
to
answer
questions.
C
F
C
C
A
A
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
members,
ironically,
the
space
that
dr
terry's
bill
was
working
in
on
item
number.
One
on
the
calendar
is
a
similar
space
that
we're
working
on
this
legislation
in
that
last
year,
dr
terry
passed,
a
bill
that
said
photographic.
Evidence
should
not
be
made
public
of
a
minor
killed
in
an
automobile
accident.
B
When
I
heard
that
concept
in
criminal
justice
committee
last
year,
the
kobe
bryant
situation
had
just
occurred
and
then
the
fortunate
tragedy
there,
not
only
photographs
of
the
bryant
family
of
the
helicopter
crash,
had
gotten
out,
but
you
had
four
other
families
whose
deaths
were
splashed
all
over
the
media.
At
that
point
in
time,
and
just
the
tragedy
of
that
and
having
those
minor
photographs
out,
there
just
broke
my
heart.
B
If
and
when
we
get
to
the
house
floor
on
this,
we
may
be
able
to
to
merge
the
ideas
that
he
just
passed
with
that
legislation
into
into
a
one
cogent
piece
of
legislation.
But
I
would
certainly
appreciate
a
favorable
favorable
recognition
from
the
committee
as
we
move
forward
on
this
and
continue
to
work
in
full
committee
and
possibly
toward
the
floor.
A
B
A
F
F
This
bill
deals
with
the
part
of
public
records
law
that
involves
the
process
of
making
requests.
The
purpose
is
to
improve
consistency
and
clarity
to
the
terminology
in
places
where
the
language
causes
occasional
confusion
in
the
field.
The
changes
are
in
accordance
with
current
law
and
advisements
from
the
office
of
open
records
council
in
the
comptroller's
office,
as
amended,
the
bill
makes
it
clear
that
the
law
does
not
require
a
governmental
entity
to
compile
information
from
multiple
files
into
a
new
record.
To
answer
a
public
records
request.
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A
A
A
G
G
The
intention
is
not
to
limit
or
alter
speech.
Instead,
it's
to
make
sure
that
speech
is
in
its
appropriate
and
enumerated
bounds
and
as
I've
discussed
with
chairman
hilton,
I
will
be
making
a
motion
at
the
conclusion
of
my
comments
to
remove
this
bill
from
notice.
But
I
do
want
to
go
on
the
record
with
a
couple
of
comments
relative
to
the
tennessee
code,
annotated
right
now.
G
Lobbying
is
defined
as
that
that
that
process
to
communicate,
directly
or
indirectly
with
any
official
in
the
legislative
branch
for
the
purpose
of
influencing
any
legislation,
act
any
legislative
action
or
administrative
action.
We
do
have
in
the
tennessee
constitution
article
two
separation
of
powers,
and
that
specifically
says
the
powers
of
the
government
shall
be
divided
into
three
distinct
departments.
G
Legislative
executive
and
judicial
says
section
1,
section,
2
says
no
person
or
persons
belonging
to
one
of
these
departments
shall
exercise
any
of
the
powers
properly
belonging
to
either
of
the
others,
and
I
think
that
we
all
have
been
here.
I've
only
been
here
for
two
terms
of
two
years
and
and
so
in
my
short
tenure
here,
whether
it's
been
the
right
to
shop,
act
that
made
prices
transparent
for
patients
at
home,
whether
it's
been
a
recent
bill
trying
to
protect
students
from
discrimination
at
universities.
G
Those
bills
have
been
actively
opposed
by
departments
by
agencies
by
liaisons
and
so
much
so
that
there's
been
a
coordination
of
messaging,
etc.
And
so
the
intent
of
the
original
bill
was
to
make
sure
that
the
taxpayers
of
tennessee
don't
have
their
taxpayer
dollars
used
against
them.
After
sending
us
here
to
represent
their
values,
to
represent
their
virtues,
and
instead
have
have
agencies
come
over
and
lobby
against
our
bills,
and
so
what
I've
decided
to
do
rather
than
run
the
bill.
G
Is
I've
submitted
a
letter
to
the
attorney
general
asking
for
his
op
opinion
as
official
opinion
asking
if
the
current
law
is
being
in
our
constitution
is
being
upheld,
we've
got
several
member
signatures
on
the
on
the
letter
and
I'll
be
happy
to
read
it,
but
otherwise,
if
anyone
else
would
like
to
inquire
of
the
office,
let
me
know,
but
at
this
point,
madam
chairman,
thank
you
for
honoring
my
request
and
I
take
the
the
house
bill.
1978
off
notice,.
H
Thank
you
chairman,
and
thank
you
members.
If
I
may
take
a
personal
privilege,
I'd
like
to
introduce
this
front
row
of
gentlemen
here
on
the
front.
We
have
some
guy
some
gentlemen
here,
mr
michael
bradley,
he
is
the
professor
at
motlow
state
community
college,
and
he
has
written
many
books
on
nathan,
bedford
forest.
I
call
him
the
reverend
and
we
also
have
mr
joey
nolan,
who
is
the
tennessee
division
commander
of
the
sons
of
the
confederate
veterans
and
yeah.
Just
lift
your
hand
up.
H
If
you
would
please-
and
I
also
have
mr
adam
southern-
who
is
executive
director-
of
the
sons
of
the
confederate
veterans
from
elm
springs,
and
then
here
I
have
jason
beaucheers
and
he
is
our
lieutenant
commander-in-chief
of
the
sons
of
the
confederate
veterans
here
in
the
state
of
tennessee
and
then
to
my
right
over
here
is
mr
phillips,
and
he
is
the
forest
family
lawyer.
He
represents
the
family
there
and
I
just
want
to
introduce
you
committee
members
to
these
gentlemen.
H
H
We
are
welcoming
folk
here
in
tennessee,
and
we
appreciate
our
citizens
who
come
down
here
and
take
part
in
what
we
do
here
so
the
bill
before
you
is
house
bill
2874..
It
requires
movement
of
the
nathan
bedford
forest
bust
from
the
tennessee
state
museum
to
the
sons
of
the
confederate
veterans
general
headquarters
in
columbia,
tennessee.
H
The
sons
of
the
confederate
veterans
non-profit
organization,
raised
all
the
money
necessary
for
the
commissioning
of
the
lieutenant
general
nathan
bedford
forest
bust
for
placement
in
the
tennessee
capitol
building,
where
it
remained
until
friday
july
23
2021,
when
it
was
given
to
the
tennessee
state
museum
and
is
in
storage
house
bill.
2874
returns
the
force
but
bust
to
the
original
and
rightful
owners
who
welcome
its
return
and
are
willing
and
able
to
assume
the
associated
costs.
H
H
E
E
This
is
one,
though,
that
I
I'm
I'm
in
question
about
and,
of
course,
across
our
house
district
38,
we,
yes,
we
have
gentlemen,
we
have
members
of
the
sons
of
the
confederacy
and
we
and
I
appreciate
each
and
every
one
convince
me
chair,
lady
weaver,
that
I
I'm
just
concerned
about
security.
I'm
I'm
I'm
concerned
about
just
why
we're
doing
this
when
over
at
our
state
museum,
you
know
we're
we're
proud
of
the
you
know.
We
have
a
large
display
relative
to
the
confederate
issue.
E
H
H
Elm
springs
museum
is
highly
qualified
to
take
care
and
guard
they.
They
will
guard
it,
they
will
protect
it
and
they
it's
currently
the
place
where
they
just
had
the
brought
the
the
bodies
of
nathan,
bedford
and
and
his
wife
to
elm
springs,
and
it
is
in
a
in
a
place
now,
where
he's
at
peace
and
people
can
come
there
to
colombia,
and
they
can
see
all
things
nathan,
bedford,
forest
and
it
will
be
rightly
displayed
and
honored
there,
and
I
think
that
that
is
where
it
should
go.
H
E
Thank
you
thank
you,
cheerleader,
and
I
appreciate
that.
No,
I
I'm
just
going
to
conclude
with
with
a
statement
with
more
or
less
just
a
statement.
First
of
all,
I
haven't
been
contacted
from
any
of
my
my
folks
across
our
district
about
this.
You
know
to
support
it
or
not.
You
know
that.
That's
that's
a
little
bit
concerning
to
me,
but
anyway
it's
in
colombia.
I
have
nothing
against
murray
county,
good
old
murray
county
down
there,
but
out.
E
C
Madam
chairman,
and
I
think
that
we've
got
like
chairman
keisling,
said:
we've
got
a
new
large
state
museum
that
I
think
is
beautiful
and
wonderful,
and
I've
heard
that
the
area
where
the
bus
is
over
there
is
very
popular
display
and
large
crowds
coming
through,
and
I've
also
heard
from
the
museum
that
they
don't
really
want
to
lose
this
bus
to
somewhere
else.
They're
proud
of
it
and
a
lot
of
tennesseans
are
seeing
it.
So
I
too
think
that
we
should
leave
it
here.
H
You
for
that,
mr
marsh,
I'm
hearing
the
opposite.
Now
I
will
say
I
had
planned
pardon
me
to
go
to
the
museum
to
actually
see
where
nathan
bedford
is
on
display
and
he
is
not
in
a
prominent
place.
He
is
back
in
a
corner
and
the
and
personally
I
feel
he's
not
been
giving
the
the
honor
that
he
deserves.
H
H
C
C
H
C
H
H
C
D
C
A
A
I
We
work
with
that
organization
to
evaluate
what's
in
place,
what
are
their
security
measures?
What
are
their
what's
their
sprinkler
system?
What
is
the
display,
meaning
something
like
this
artifact
needs
a
specialty
display
because
of
its
weight.
We
note
that,
because
you
know,
we've
been
involved
with
this
movement
into
display
and
you
know
we
just
need
to
make
sure
measures
are
in
place.
So
a
couple
of
things
that
are
outlined
in
our
collection
management
policy.
I
We
have
lending
procedures,
we
have
transfer
procedures,
the
accession
procedures,
our
preference
is
that
any
requests
go
up
through
those
policies
and
procedures
because
they
are
also,
let
me
say,
the
especially
something
like
a
transfer
session.
It's
a
public
process.
It
goes
through
our
douglas
center
estate
museum
commission.
I
So
if,
if
this
essentially
circumvents
his
policies,
quite
frankly,
our
accreditation
is
at
risk,
and
you
know
you
know
to
to
the
point
made
about
the
collection.
What
would
the
next
legislation
be
and
what
would
the
next
legislation
be
so
we're?
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
passion
around
this
one
art
fact
we're
passionate
about
what
we
do
at
the
tennessee
state
museum
and
those
policies
that
we
have
in
place.
C
I
I
The
the
bust
is
on
display
with
two
other
busts
that
were
also
on
display
at
the
tennessee
state
capitol,
because
if
you
recall
the
the
request
of
the
waiver
called
for
the
movement
of
three
busts
and
then
we've
added
items
within
the
state's
collection,
specifically
portraits
of
military
figures
that
were
also
on
display
at
the
tennessee
state
capitol
and
telling
the
story
of
these
figures,
but
also
in
context
with
the
larger
presentation
at
the
state
museum.
So
this
is
a
gallery
that
is
right
off
civil
war
and
reconstruction.
I
E
E
I
I
If
that
is
a
request,
that
we
could
honor
an
example
of
something
that
perhaps
we
we
would
have
to
think
about.
Honoring
is
some
collection.
Items
may
be
delicate.
It
may
require
special
care.
The
organization
may
not
be
able
to
provide
that
care.
We
continue
to
work
with
that
organization
on
those
parameters
to
assess
in
sharing
that
collection.
E
E
Okay,
thank
you
for
that,
but
you
mentioned
the
words
you
say
the
word
short
term
versus
long
term.
You
didn't
you
didn't
use
the
word
perpetual
so
that
that's
not
in
the
game.
That's
not
in
the
game
book!
It
then
is
it
it.
What
is
it
just
give
me
an
example
of
what
long
term
would
be,
and
and
where
does
and
if
I'm
a
part
two
to
that
who
makes
these
decisions,
if
you,
if
you
could
answer
that
for
me
as
well.
I
Sure
so
we
do
have
policies
and
procedures
in
place
for
de-accessioning,
which
would
be
a
removal
of
an
item
from
the
collection
that
does
not
happen.
Often
you
know
we,
we
have
the
accession
items
and
it
would
have
to
mean
the
collection
may
not
make
sense,
or
the
item
may
not
make
sense
to
be
in
the
tennessee
state
museum
collection,
but
we
do
have
a
process
in
place
that
it
is.
I
The
tennessee
sports
hall
of
fame
is
an
example.
The
national
civil
rights
museum
is
an
example.
We
have
items
that
are
on
long-term
loan.
We
update
those
agreements,
we're
in
contact
with
those
organizations,
and
then
we
are
also
recipient
of
items
that
are
long-term
loan.
So
we
also
who
are
stewards
of
those
items
under
her
care
as
well.
Thank.
E
C
I
So
it
so
where
it
is
located,
is
off
of
a
gallery
that
is
off
of
the
civil
war
and
reconstruction
gallery.
That
is
our
largest
gallery:
the
civil
war
and
reconstruction
gallery.
This
the
gallery
that
is
in
is
one
of
our
rotating
galleries.
That
being
said,
I
have
had
questions
you
know.
Is
there
an
end
date
for
this
display
at
this
time?
There's
not
so
we
have
not
determined
sort
of
a
reputation.
I
We
we
put
the
three
bus
on
display
four
days
after
the
transfer,
so
you
know
part
of
this
is
you
know
we
had
to
make
plans
for
this,
because
this
is
a
very
large
artifact
and
any
changes
to
our
gallery
space
require
planning
of
our
design
team
to
be
able
to
evaluate
this.
That
being
said,
just
a
number
about
visitation
at
the
tennessee
state
museum,
since
we
opened
in
october
of
2018,
we've
had
over
400
000
visitors
come
to
this
location.
I
H
I
do
I
I,
if
you
may,
madam
chairman,
I'd
like
to
make
a
couple
comments
to
what
was
was
mentioned.
I
do,
and
I
and
I
speak
truthfully
in
that.
The
last
conversation
I
had
with
the
senate
sponsor
on
this
bill,
was
that
the
conversation
between
the
senator
and
the
tennessee
museum
was
that
they
were
not
adversarial
about
the
transfer
of
this,
and
my
question
is
what
has
changed
and
I've
not
been
contacted
about
it.
The
second
thing
I
would
like
to
make
mention
is
that.
H
H
I
will
say,
though,
this
this
bill.
It's
it's
different.
This
bust
is
different
because
you
have
to
go
back
to
the
genesis
of
the
agreement
of
the
people
that
purchased
it,
bought
it
gifted
it
and
gave
it
to
the
state
with
the
agreement
that
it
would
go
into
the
capital.
There
was
no
agreement
that
it
would
be
put
in
a
museum.
H
H
H
The
gentlemen
here
behind
me
are
very
well
aware
of
what
is
required
of
them
to
protect
this
piece
of
history,
and
I
really
think
that,
in
all
honesty
and
sincerity
and
to
do
the
right
thing
is
to
let
it
have
its
peace
and
its
rest
in
a
place
where
all
the
other
stories
are
wrapped
around
this
military
man.
Who
is
a
big
part
of
our
american
history
in
the
civil
war.
J
J
H
H
H
J
J
H
Again,
I
just
go
back
to
the
agreement
from
the
family,
from
the
sons
of
the
confederate
who
gifted
it
to
be
in
the
capitol,
and
there
was
no
mention
of
it
being
gifted
to
the
museum
if
you
met.
If,
if
I
may,
this
is
an
important
piece
of
legislation
and
I
was
wondering
if
I
may
be
able
to
roll
this
answer
those
questions
and
I'll
get
again
with
the
tennessee
museum
and
see
if
there's
a
way
going
forward
and
if,
if
I
could
asset
of
the
committee,
I'd
be
most
most
grateful
chairman.
H
Madam
chair,
the
sheriff
association
presented
this
piece
of
legislation
to
to
us
and
basically,
what
this
bill
does
is
the
current
law
says
when
two
applicants
interview
for
a
a
job
with
state
in
state
service
both
qualify?
Equally,
they
both
come
to
the
table.
They
both
qualify
equally
and
and
the
law
requires.
We
passed
this
legislation.
The
law
requires
to
hire
a
veteran,
and
we
all
do
all
we
can
down
here
for
our
veterans,
because
we
honor
and
respect
our
veterans.
H
Instead,
when
invitations
to
interview
candidates
are
extended
for
appointment
and
just
remove
the
word
promotion,
we
believe
that
promotion
should
be
based
on
merit
how
they
do
the
job,
and
so
the
appointments
are
preferential
and
the
and
the
promotions
are
earned,
and
that's
basically
what
this
legislation
does.
It
will
help
our
folks
in
the
field.
A
A
B
B
This
amendment
comes
to
us
from
the
department
of
safety
as
well
as
governor
lee's
office,
and
governors.
Lee's
representative
came
to
see
me
as
well
as
department
of
safety,
and
they
asked
that
we
have
an
amendment
that
would
make
the
bill
better,
and
I
accepted
that
amendment
and
this
bill
does
that
and
satisfies
their
issues.
And
I
appreciate
emotion.
A
B
And
members
this
bill
simply
allows
employees
who
serve
in
a
local
elected
office
to
take
time
off
to
serve
in
those
duties
and
the
bill's
been
tailored
to
where
it
will
not
be
overly
burdensome
or
allow
for
frolicks,
and
it
also
takes
care
of
public
safety
employees.
But
this
bill
simply
allows
people
who
are
elected
to
go
serve
they
if
they're
willing
to
give
their
time
up
and
volunteer
to
serve
because
most
of
it's
unpaid
positions.
This
simply
allows
them
to
go
and
do
their
job
and
we've
got
by
my
account.
B
Maybe
30
members
of
our
general
assembly
who
work
for
the
government
and
certainly
they're
allowed
to
come
here
and
and
perform
their
duties
and
the
rest
of
us
either
have
jobs
working
for
ourselves
or
work
for
some
other
entity
and
they're
all
allowed
to
come
to
nashville
and
do
their
job.
This
simply
affords
the
same
courtesy
to
local
elected
officials
and
I'd
appreciate
your
consideration.
A
A
C
Thank
you
chairman
james
held
legislative
liaison
for
the
department
of
safety.
Thank
you
to
everyone,
the
opportunity
to
speak
today.
We
wanted
the
amendment
that
you
all
just
considered
had
to
do
exempting
public
service
employees,
just
as
the
bill
was
originally
written,
it
did
apply
to
any
employer
which
included
the
department
of
safety.
We
had
some
concerns
about
law
enforcement.
Employees,
specifically
folks
in
highway
patrol,
be
able
to
be
exempted
from
the
bill,
and
we
appreciate
the
sponsor
accepting
our
amendment
and
so
that,
with
that,
we
that
alleviated
our
concerns.
Okay,.