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00:00 - Favorite holiday food and how should we celebrate hatch if we reach our hatch goal?
09:13 - Agenda
10:33 - Hack session TEC Code of Conduct

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A

I feel bad, I feel bad, I just censored one, so we can add our favorite food on top of the celebration for the hatch.

B

So favorite meal and how do we celebrate favorite meal, the holidays, and how do we solve it?.

C

Well, I guess I can start uh my favorite meal is still lentils like we did that question some time before and didn't change and wow. Who should we celebrate? I said that question too fast. I don't. Actually.

C

um I think I think we should do a party like I. I actually think we should do a party like we did on the like. With this guy, with this music, we were all dancing that was so fun. I think that's a yeah, that's a great thing, uh I'll pass it to.

D

Okay, what my favorite meal of the holidays is something that we call pastel pastel roast. That is like a cake of rice, that is, uh it has like um meat, but it's like chicken and and like a lot of vegetables and it is cooked with a palm tree.

D

It is like wrapped in a palm tree leave and then, like you, you put it in in hot water to like the rice. It is very good and like yeah, it is something very traditional here in colombia and um yeah. I also think we need to have a dance party and uh to celebrate, because um I think we have put a lot of effort into this and uh we are rushing to make everything go um the best way possible and I will pass to nate.

B

I can't hear you nate.

E

My apologies, I guess it was the favorite holiday food. Was that correct? um I think my favorite holiday food has got to be green bean casserole and or potatoes, so keep it simple, um but yeah uh is good holidays.

E

Is there any other part of that question? I needed to answer.

B

Right, how do we celebrate when we get to when we hit the hatch.

E

When you hit the hatch drink, a lot of alcohol and party it up, enjoy yourselves.

E

I guess I'll pass it to uh tonga.

F

Yeah, okay, yeah, I won't be drinking alcohol, I don't like alcohol, but I will be. I don't know my favorite food is in this holidays. I've been drinking smoothies and I feel very good and yeah. I don't think I usually don't like to celebrate much, but we can do whatever.

F

I'll pass it to mateo.

G

Hey guys um so from my holidays, I'm also following one in the colombian culture, but this one is not that salty. This one is sweet is hot chocolate, but real with real cocoa from from colombia. That is really really big, and so I love it where people over the south of the country put cheese on it, but I don't do it.

G

I like I, like it only the liquid the chocolate, the hot chocolate and maybe with the great arepa, with a lot of cheese but separate. So that's not not really holiday food, but in my family we do it regularly over the holidays.

G

So that's that's it and we should parry together, like we do it in the christmas and the end of the year, because yeah, I know that physical party would happen quite near so yeah with a lot of alcohol and music and everything that is possible from the virtual space, so yeah I'll pass it to tom.

H

Thanks so um favorite meal over the holiday, um I'm going to promise this by saying, I can count on one hand how many times I eat meat over the course of 12 months.

H

It's super rare, however, over the holiday I made a recipe um on a website called the pioneer woman and she has the best beef stew recipe I have ever tasted and it takes a good five six hours, but when it's done, the the meat is just as soft as tender and it just sort of melts in your mouth as you eat it, and there's carrots and potatoes and gravy and tomato paste, and it's fantastic.

H

So that was my favorite meal over this holiday and uh we also eat a lot of lentils and now, every time we think you eat lentils, I think is that yes, so you're forever associated with lentils in my mind and celebration, um I'm up for whatever. Actually, I think we should celebrate, because it'll be a lot of effort of a lot of people and really cool, but I'll leave it up to those with more creative ideas for celebrations lydia. Can I pass back to you.

A

Yeah, thank you. um I think my favorite food of the holiday.

A

No, I didn't have there's more people to go right. Yeah, my my favorite food of the holiday was um my friend made this southern fried chicken, but he's from the south, and he has the recipe that is like forever there and it was. I never ate. I I don't even like chicken, but that chicken was like, oh my god, I'm so lucky I ate this um and how I think we should celebrate um yeah. I think we should definitely have um a great full celebration.

A

We've been like raising so much the the gratitude in the in the group.

A

So I think all of the ideas are super welcome and hopefully, later this year, we'll be able to celebrate in person somewhere in the world with so many crypto conferences and stuff happening, and I passed to you santi.

I

Well, we have a bunch of meals here in christmas and if I have to choose something, I would choose the sweets that we have.

D

The turon that.

I

We eat at the end of the meal every day, all the varieties that are here they are just fantastic. You just have to do some exercise after after the period of christmas, but that's another story and for celebration. Definitely a party, I'm gonna, have a big bottle of ram cuban rum. Next to my my computer and whatever you decide, I think that the party that we had with uh with that guy- I forgot his name, the guy with the speakers. You know that was awesome.

I

I think that that could be a nice a nice way I'll pass it to. I think grief is the only one missing yeah. I think so.

B

Yeah gary gary lachance uh he's a good friend of mine. He helped me start my burning man camp three years ago, so we will definitely get him to uh to throw a party, or at least that's what I'd hope at least that'd be a dimension to it. Nobody throws better parties than that guy so uh and then, as far as favorite meal, um I'm in ecuador and there's this thing called a humita or uma.

B

I don't know if you guys know about it, but it's like basically corn and it's kind of like a tamale, but instead the corn is a little bit prepared differently and inside is cheese instead of meat, and I like the salty ones, instead of the sweet ones and I'll put that with some avocado and some green salt, because this lady, who makes like green salt here, is really delicious. And that's that's been my favorite meal that I ate during the holidays.

B

There were other holiday meals, but I love who meets us I'll, pass it to olivia.

A

Cool thanks guys. That was fun thanks up and juan for bringing up the question. um I hope you guys enjoyed this part of the call, because the next one is not gonna, be so fun, it's a disclaimer, and if anyone wants to leave it's fine, uh but you can jump in the and the document. It's in the safgov channel.

A

A

So we talked already about the proposals and comes so we don't have to go through that.

A

I took note of some action items and then, along the week we can work on them and I just wanted to ask if anyone has an agenda point before we go into a hack session, something you would want to talk about race, to the awareness of soft of something we should.

A

Discuss I'll take this as a no and and then we can open this code of conduct.

A

Document so this has been like the most headache, um I think for me and maybe for everyone involved and- and I was really not knowing how to move forward in a way that it really like, brings up those rules alive and rules that make sense for us.

A

So thankfully, this chapter that we'll read after here in the in the book club was really great in this sense talking a lot about how to make rules and a very good and simple insight. She offered was this three words that is forbid require permit. So what is forbidden? What is required, and basically you just need to figure it out both of this, because anything else that it's not forbid or required is permitted.

A

So I just put in each one of these steps so for who was in present, we had a hack session to decide uh what were the points that we needed a code of conduct for so so we have the parameters. We have uh conflict management, we have decision making. We have comms channels and that's it. Let me share my screen quickly. So.

A

A

Okay, so here we are, and then it looks a bit confusing, but I just added under each one of these pieces, these questions that I would love if we could answer them in this call, and that are what actions can be taken in this medium. So what actions can be taken by conflict managers by the gravity team? Is this action or outcome required? Is this action or outcome forbidden?

A

So so I would like us to have a list for each one of those of the actions and then to later see if this action is required or forbidden, and it would be great if we could do that for each one of this, that we selected the people that were interested in working on them, but I just want to pass around uh for everyone in this call that doesn't have a topic to pick one if you would like and don't feel pressured to jump on it.

A

But I would love if we can do that over this call.

A

So griff, santi, zaptimus, juan and jake already have topics that are uh that they said they're interested in working on.

A

A

I think mate no yeah so matteo and nate and tam.

A

If you, I don't want to put you in this pot. But if you want to pick one uh you can pick one. If not, you can just say pass so I'll, pass to mateo.

G

Give me a second I'm reading.

A

G

I'm reading the topic so give me a second or I'll pass it to tam. Meanwhile, I choose one sorry.

H

I'm also reading them. um I have some commitments that are really tightly time-bound, so my instinct is to pass on this um and yeah I'm going to pass, but if there's something that you think really needs input from, then then signal and I'll I'll participate.

E

So I'm trying to uh where exactly are the topics located within the document.

A

Are you in the code of conduct document I will highlight.

D

G

um As I am already in the gravity group with juan, I want to help him in that one. That's possible right.

A

G

I'll type myself in.

E

There so uh could, could you uh restate uh what it is exactly that you're looking for in regards to these topics? Apologies.

A

Yeah, so I was thinking it might be a little bit harder for you since you're joining now, but it would lovely to have your fresh approach as well. So each can you you can still see my screen right.

A

So for each one of this, for example, what actions can be taken regarding conviction, voting proposals, so people can submit proposal, um people can vote. People can comment.

E

So this is just giving a guideline to decision making procedures in terms of different approaches to voting correct.

A

E

So for each one.

A

Of this um to understand what are all of the actions we can take in regards to that.

A

Does anyone else have a question.

A

Cool, so so we can work on it, silently if anyone wants to put a song, that's cool, also and I'll check back on you guys in the end of this call, and if you have any questions, please pop up.

C

Can you explain a little bit? What should we think about in the outcome required and outcome forbidden like a little example, because I I don't know what we want to add in here.

A

So, for example, submitting a proposal is this: is this action of submitting a proposal required for uh for the proposal terms? So I think um yes, it is uh required to participate in the conviction, voting that you submit a proposal.

A

uh Is there any of this actions that are forbidden, so maybe something that would be forbidden would be uh just submit a proposal that will harm.

A

Someone in the team so the list of actions, they don't only account the actions that we want to see, but also the actions that we don't want to see and and these actions will go to the forbidden part and that's how we start to understand our rules that that's, where we're going to communicate to people when they're joining that. We understand that you can take all of these actions if you want, but they are forbidden according to our code of conduct and and then from having what actions are forbidden.

A

We can understand what are the sanctions for each one of them.

C

Okay, thank you.

E

Sorry, and so uh we designing this to kind of evolve over time in terms of just you know, uh based on you know, circumstances or events that occur, that we say: okay, we need to reevaluate this. Is that possible, or is this kind of like this is set in stone, we're not doing anything else after it.

A

Yeah, that's definitely pos. That's the idea that um we would also have a process for changing this, and I think this process already exists. Somehow inside of our decision making process for changing the code of conduct, for example, maybe a conviction voting proposal would be nice because it's something a little more serious.

A

But we could also decide that in the in the forum, through voting on polls and- and this are like discussions that we'll continuously have until until everyone feels good about.

A

E

And and just to clarify um the did these this code of conducts strictly apply to trusted seed members or everyone participating within the context of the tec and common stack and so on.

A

I would say everyone participating in the context of the tec.

A

I don't know if anyone disagrees, but hopefully we would have some type of, and we were talking about that with santi with with sam, uh like with lego and tech. What can we have some type of checkbox when people enter some type of signature that they are aware of the code of conduct or that they agree or something like.

A

E

And what's everybody's philosophy here on identifying the proposer making sure that everybody's identifiable and make a proposal it's in like no anonymity.

B

So there's limited anonymity, so I mean someone's gotta post it on the forum, so they gotta have a handle on the forum. Someone's gotta propose it to the dow, so they gotta have an address.

B

During the hatch, everyone has to have been verified as a human as a trustable human as a non like as a someone who might care about token engineering and not just be trying to make money human by the common stack association.

B

So there's those limits, but once the dow is up and anyone can buy into the bonding curve post hatch so.

B

It's one of these things where there's limits on the annuity, for instance, if you propose to the dow you propose from an address you can see if it has tc tokens or not, you can see the history.

B

You know it's like how much you dig and then how much information you put on your put on the forum.

B

But it's not like someone has to submit their.

B

B

G

And I'm having a bit of trouble deciding what to write on the what actions can be taken, because I think you said in the beginning that whatever is not required or forbidden is allowed. So what? What should be in the in the first section, because um that could go really generally.

A

Yeah, I think I think the first section it's more to organize, uh like almost like a brainstorming for each one of these mediums to see like what are all the actions that exist there and then, once you place them into required or forbidden. The ones that are neither required or forbidden are allowed.

A

It's just easier to to do that way than to place each one into allowed, and it's kind of implicit that even if they're not listed there, but they are not listed in forbidden and in required.

A

They are allowed.

G

G

A

A

A

Is everyone doing good.

A

E

E

Sorry, I just wanted to ask a question real quick about dandelion voting. Is that going to be maintained after the hatch as well correct the yeah, the method of voting? Okay.

B

It you know it's really hard to say because, like it's like, yes absolutely most likely, probably you know um because once the dow exists like we set up the hatch and then the plan is that we upgrade to a commons with the augmented, bonding curve and conviction voting, which will still those parameters will be controlled by dandelion voting.

B

But once there's a dow, you know it's like dude the people with tokens get to vote and if they decide that they want only dot voting and no more dining and voting, it's not like. We can stop them. You know.

E

Yeah and so a lot of this is kind of um a model for for future hatches to say this is the process in which we go about it, and this is the code of conduct we have until that hatch happens, and then, once you have that dow, um it's your rules from there on out you're, managing it and then that community has complete control over it.

B

Yeah and I'm more specifically talking about the launching in two parts piece where even in the tec, we start with dandelion voting and the hatch which is like the fundraising part and then after that, the dandelion voting should upgrade to have a dandelion voting, abc and conviction. Voting. But.

E

At that point, it's just the token holders who are going to make those decisions at the end of the day. Okay,.

B

Yeah and they could be like dandelion voting sucks.

B

Dandelion voting does have some challenges, they could realistically say, let's just.

E

E

And is there a process where we take decisions from you know kind of this like a ideation phase to let's, let's get some signaling to let's? Actually, okay, we've got signaling to let's move it to dandelion voting. Okay. We have that, let's move it to conviction, voting and so on and so forth, depending on the type of decision being made.

B

Someone else was going to say something.

A

I was going to say that the signaling part is: we want to bring the advice process, so all proposals would have a sharing of phase to start and then they tag the people that are most affected by that proposal and receive the feedback, integrate the feedback in their own manner and then submit the proposal after feedback is.

A

A

And you ask if dandelion would go to conviction voting? They are two separate things. So if a voting is going to dandelion, it would be solved in dandelion and if it goes to conviction, voting uh income.

A

A

Sorry, I'm in my mom's house there's still like a phone. That is not a cell phone.

A

I got so like. Where is this coming from.

E

I actually think that was really really cool.

E

A

Art it's art yeah, but just just to finish it um dandelion voting decides the the contract layer of things and conviction. Voting is mostly for funding proposals and it can also be used for.

A

E

And so just to clarify one last thing uh with dandelion voting on the contract layer. You're, not you can't just propose something on dandelion without going through the exploratory process and maybe a signaling or forum.

E

Or can you just pop it up there and see what happens.

B

I think we could. um The thing is: there's the smart contract layer and then there's other then there's like the cultural layer right. So we can put in the terms hey like you have to put before it goes up on before you vote for something dandelion voting. You have to do this this. This smart contracts will allow them to not.

B

But if we say you have to go post on the forum and wait three days and they only wait one day, anyone can be like listen. The terms say this man, you gotta, follow the rules and then everyone would be like yeah. We should probably vote against that. You know we should make or they'll be like ah you know what it's it's sam come on. Don't worry about the rules for him, uh that's the dow. You know, but it's good to set cultural permissions.

E

And so that would be something to include in the code of contact of if we wanted. Okay.

B

Exact, absolutely, in fact this is basically the purpose like we want to recognize that there is gov right. So there's like the smart contracts and blah blah, but then hey they're humans, too. You know we can have like the soft gov of like yeah, you gotta post on the forum. First, you know let it sit for a few days. Get some feedback then apply then make a.

E

A

A

Is it right to say there are two different comments griff than the lion and conviction voting.

B

Comments or governance applications within the commons, it's it's really. The commons is the token holders is what I would say right and the token holders can vote it either.

A

Okay, so governance.

A

A

A

So we have five minutes and I could really use like a water break before the book club.

A

um Thank you so much. This was amazing that you all jumped into the dock, and hopefully we can continue working on this at everyone's own pace and I'll also have another hack session for this this week. If we want to continue working together, some people work better with the group, some people better together, so we can be flexible there and yeah. Please write if you have any questions, I think it was great. The ones that came up and to like continue the dialogue on this.

A

Does anyone want to say something before we close.

B

Great work session, thank you. Olivia.

A

Awesome thanks guys, I see.

D

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