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A
Hi,
so
today
we
have
a
lot
to.
We
have
quite
a
lot
to
cover
about
time
the
intro
question
a
little
bit,
so
we
can
cover
everything.
So
we
have
updates
from
the
formation
of
the
financial
working
group,
and
gideon
will
share
a
little
bit.
Bear
will
also
share
some
progress
and
also
start
a
little
bit
this
discussion.
I
don't
want
to
get
too
deep
into
it,
but
just
get
a
sense.
A
A
temperature
check
on
voter
apathy,
plus
perhaps
having
too
much
of
a
high
quorum
on
snapshot,
so
remind
everyone
about
the
water
vote
and
understand
what
what
should
we
lower
snapshot
quorum?
What
are
some
practices
we
can
bring
to
create
more
voter
engagement
and
then
on
the
cultural
work
streams
that
we
started
last
week.
Just
some
updates
on.
Where
is
everyone
at?
Is
there
any
progress
on
each
one
of
the
streams
and
then
just
an
announcement
about
the
ecosystem,
health
metrics?
A
That
will
have
a
meeting
on
wednesday
on
friday,
a
hack
session,
so
this
is
what's
coming.
First
have
got
today
and
edu
suggested.
We
have
this
question
that
we
bring
this
discussion
to
sofkkov.
That
is
what
do
you
need
support
with?
How
would
you
like
to
be
supported,
so
he
expressed
he
was
feeling
overwhelmed
and
having
some
repetitive
tasks
and
would
like
help,
and
that
is
hard
to
find
help
for
certain
things
and
then
just
understanding.
A
How
are
people
feeling
if
there
is
if
this
is
a
shared
sentiment,
and
if
so,
what
do
you
need
support
with
and
how
you
would
like
to
be
supported
so
I'll
pass
to
you?
I
do
to
start.
B
B
That's
the
top
thing
a
few
months
ago,
I
would
have
said
help
with
the
the
members
journey,
but
he
didn't
step
up
into
that
role,
so
that
got
solved,
but
in
general
terms,
is
like
also
how
we
like
to
to
be
supported
like
how
do
you
feel
comfortable
like
how
do
you
offer
support
also
to
someone
else
without
you
know
feeling
that
you
are
stepping
in
or
anything
anything
that
you
have
regarding
this,
I
think
help
is
always
appreciated.
B
I
just
feel
sometimes
working
groups
feels
like
a
little
bit
like
an
iceland,
so
it's
this
cross-working
group,
dynamic,
starting
by
asking
for
help,
could
be
nice
to
implement
them
more
often
like
the
same
way,
we
have
the
empathy
for
him
for
intentions
and
distractions.
It's
the
same
empathy
we
should
also
have,
I
feel,
for
request,
support
or
for
offer
support,
so
yeah
and
I
will
pass
through
the
tuban
jews
since
you
are
admitted.
A
A
D
I'm
just
kind
of
like
getting
into
learning
about
token
engineering,
I'm
actually
very
excited
for
the
program
in
october
november
and
slowly
I'm
making
spaces
to
listen
to
your
agenda,
to
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
the
program
and,
of
course,
everyone
else
that
and
thank
god
that
so
far,
the
few
meetings
that
I've
been
to
I've
met.
So
many
wonderful
and
very
disciplined
dedicated
smart
people.
D
Looking
at
the
content,
I'm
not
gonna
lie,
I
feel
overwhelmed
because
I'm
a
lawyer,
I
work
with
trademarks,
but
I'm
very
excited
to
see
that
most
of
the
people
interested
in
this
are
very
serious
and
dedicated
people.
So
hopefully
I'm
gonna
learn
more
about
the
engineering
side,
but
as
well
as
well
as
other
smart
opinions
of
people
in
other
fields.
So
hey
nice
to
meet
you,
I'm
actually
carlos
yeah.
I
don't
know
why
I
put
that.
That's
my
my
like
my.
How
do
you
call
it?
So
don't
emote
him.
A
We
look
mostly
into
soft
governance,
like
everything
that
is
mostly
off-chain
or
ways
for
us
to
culturally
create
practices
that
help
us
organize
ourselves
and
looking
into
culture
in
general.
A
So
welcome,
hi,
theresa
hi
mike
nice
to
have
everyone
here
and
so
I'll
pass
to
you
ado
and
I'll
put
I'll
put
a
timer
for
a
minute.
B
Sure,
thank
you
so
going
back
to
the
question
of
what
do
you
need
to
support
with?
I
think
the
the
help
with
outreach,
mainly
because
it
is
something
that
is
constant
and
repetitive
through
time.
We
will
keep
doing
it
it's
unavoidable
and
then
the
way
I
would
like
to
be
supported
most
likely
will
be.
When
I
ask
mostly
on
the
calls
I
ask
if
anyone
wants
to,
you
know,
jump
in
into
orientation
call.
B
If
anyone
wants
to
do
this,
and
usually
for
this
more
of
a
cultural,
social
layer
kind
of
intentions,
there
is
not
much
engagement,
so
I
feel
it
will
be
nice
to
to
be
supported
when,
when
someone
asks
for
it
or
is
willing
to,
you
know
seek
for
other
people
to
volunteer
themselves.
Even
if
it's
out
of
your
comfort
zone,
we
can
work
on
it.
We
can.
B
It
can
help
you
or
we
can
see
a
way
that,
even
if
you
do
not
have
fully
agenda
for
it
at
least
showing
the
interest
to
show
support.
I
think
it's
quite
valuable
enough
and
I
will
pass
it
on
to
malmo.
E
Thanks,
I
would
say
that
it
would
be
nice
to
have
people
whenever,
whenever
they
are,
maybe
whenever
they
had
a
breakthrough
or
considerable
progress
or
some
development
on
the
issues
that
they've
done.
E
They
could
just
you
know,
message
me
something
doesn't
even
have
they
don't
even
have
to
go
into
the
issue
itself
and
update
it.
It
can
just
be
an
informal
hey.
I
did
this
hearing
for
me
or
something
like
that
and
I'll
make
sure
to
give
some
context
and
update
it
into
the
issue
itself,
so
that
we
can
all
know.
E
What's
what's
going
on
to
do
something
that
came
up
also
with
santiago,
which
is
a
zm707
and
gaston
which
is
tonga
they
want
to
contribute
and
they
weren't
sure
which
of
the
issues
were
updated,
which
weren't
most
of
them
were,
and
I
showed
them
that
the
ones
are
that
are
in
sprint
and
in
progress
are
the
ones
that
we
ought
to
look
at.
But
anyway,
that's
just
something
and
I
will
pass
it
to
I'll
pass
it
to
teresa.
F
Tc
and
I've
been
like
truly
supported
by
all
of
you
plus,
like
all
the
calls
have
been
like
just
like
great
to
like
open
my
mind
and
see
like
how
dallas
work
like
that
has
been
like
a
huge
groundbreaking
thing
for
me
like
to
see
like
non-hierarchical
organizations
and
all
of
that,
and
you
have
to
be
like
more
proactive
because
you
don't
have
like
specific
rules
to
fulfill.
G
G
G
G
A
Hey
welcome
shadow
we're
going
around
with
this
question
of
what
do
you
need
support
with
and
how
you
would
like
to
be
supported?
I
see
you
just
joined
so
I'll
pass
to
someone
else
and
you
can
take
it
after
hi
mike.
Do
you
want
to
go
next.
H
Yes,
thank
you.
I
mean
I'm
still
new
just
just
over
a
month.
I
think,
like
someone
else
said-
and
I
have
spent
most
of
my
time
with
with
me
heading
to
server-side
stuff.
You
know
I'm
working
on
the
pr
praise
server
project,
so
I've
attended
many
meetings
and
I
feel
a
little
bit
anyway.
H
I'm
not
answering
the
question
I
I
certainly
feel
supported,
no
doubt
and
and
completely
you
know
what
what's
the
word
enthusiastic
isn't
quite
right,
but
to
be
in
this
this
old,
you
know,
organization,
whatever
we
call
it
at
this
time
in
my
life
and
also
at
this
time
in
earth's
history,
just
incredibly
inspiring
to
me
so
and
as
far
as
offering
support
I
mean
I'm
a
permaculture
certified
designer.
H
C
A
D
C
I
Sure,
thanks
I
mean
I
don't
think
I
need
any
particular
support
with
any
task
so
far.
My
contributions
have
been
fairly
easy
to
manage
so
soon
and
yeah,
just
that
I'll
probably
have
to
organize
myself
better
or
know
how
how
to
or
where
to
stop
saying
yes
to
things,
but
that's
probably
more
of
me
than
on
the
tc
or
anything
else,
but
yeah
so
far,
everything's
going
good
I'll
pass
it
on
to
you.
Gideon.
J
Thanks
auntie
for
me
right
now,
I
think
I
just
need
some
wisdom
from
folks
who
have
been
here
in
the
tc
for
longer
period
of
time
like
I
I'm
I'm
finding
that
there
are
lots
of
places
to
plug
in
and
where
I
am
plugging
in,
and
I
just
I
feel
like.
I
need
a
little
bit
of
support
in
trying
to
prioritize
those
you
know
across
working
groups
based
on
just
what's
happening
with
the
community
right
now
so
yeah.
I
think
that's
that's
the
big
thing
for
me
right
now.
J
I
will
pass
it
to
I'm
I'm
going
to
say.
Is
that
how
you
pronounce
it?
I'm
sorry,
if
I'm
mispronouncing
your
name.
K
Boonju
close
enough,
thank
you.
I
just
want
to
echo
what
teresa
and
bear
said
about
having
a
really
good
support
structure
here
at
the
tec
and
always
getting
help
when
asking
for
it.
So
in
that
sense
I
don't
really
need
support,
because
when
I
do,
I
just
reach
out
to
you
guys
and
no
one
has
said
no
so
far.
So
that's
a
good
thing.
I
anticipate
needing
some,
I
guess,
help
or
feedback
from
the
proposal
that
I
plan
on
drafting
for
the
soft
topic
that
we
discussed
last
week.
K
So
I'll
probably
reach
out
to
some
of
you
to
read
and
review
what
what
I've
drafted.
K
A
Thank
you
yeah.
I
think
that's
a
hard
question
for
me.
I've
been
trying
to
get
better
at
this.
Just
asking
help
asking
for
help
and
I've
been
getting
a
lot
of
support.
I
think
there
is
a
fear,
sometimes
of
like
suggesting
or
or
opening
space
for
people
to
do
something
and
then
being
staying
in
the
in
in
silence
or
in
the
emptiness
or
not
receiving
the
engagement
back.
You
know
like
oh,
let's
do
this
thing
or
like
we're
discussing
about
this.
A
It
sounds
exciting
and
then
people
feel
like
they
want
to
commit
with
things,
but
then
other
things
happen,
and
sometimes
they
don't
commit
so
much.
So
I
think
I
need
to
learn
better
how
to
deal
with
the
situations
not
feel
frustrated
and
also
learn
how
to
be
a
little
bit
better
on,
like
nudging
people
on
being
like
hey.
How
are
you
doing
about
this
and
I
think
as
much
as
I
need
help
on
being
supported,
I
feel
like.
A
I
also
need
help
on
knowing
how
to
support
others,
and
this
is
a
constant
learning
but
yeah.
Thank
you,
everyone
for
sharing
here,
and
I
could
probably
have
done
better
on
this
answer
I'll
think
a
little
bit
more
about
this,
because
it's
probably
a
question
I
should
have
a
better
answer
for,
and
so
we
can
start
with
the
financial
working
group
topic.
So
just
for
integrating
folks
who
are
new
to
this
conversation,
we've
been
discussing
what
are
some
revenue
streams.
A
We
can
bring
to
the
tc
how
how
to
enhance
the
tc
utility
and
yeah.
How
do
we
make
sure
that
we're
being
a
regenerative
economy
and
not
that
our
funds
are
going
to
be
depleted
and
we
won't
be
able
to
fulfill
our
mission?
So
we've
been
having
a
lot
of
conversations
on
this
topic
and
recently
mertz
and
bear,
and
gideon,
took
a
lot
of
ownership
of
this
issue
and-
and
they
have
a
lot
to
share
on
the
progress
here.
A
So
do
you
want
to
share
a
little
bit
bear
on
what
you've
been
putting
up
for
this
topic
here
and
also
for
the
revenue
streams
spreadsheet
that
you
created.
A
J
Yeah
thanks
and
bear
that's
awesome,
it's
so
good
to
see
that
moving
forward.
I
so
what
what
I
think
my
main
thing
that
I'm
focused
on
right
now
is
the
urgency
of
this
question.
I
think
that
we're
you
know
when
you
look
at
our
our
burn
rate
as
a
community.
J
It's
pretty
high
and
the
this.
These
are
things
that
I
think
we're
going
to
need
some
longer
term
solutions
and
then
also
some
shorter
term
solutions,
because
if,
if
nothing
changes,
the
burn
rate
may
have
us
running
out
of
funds
before
the
end
of
the
year,
depending
on
you
know,
depending
on
how
things
roll
out
in
terms
of
changes
in
our
expenses
and
things
like
that.
So
this
is
an
urgent
thing.
J
J
So
like
one
hive
for
example,
and
and
and
giveth
and
some
others,
and
so
we
were
having
some
conversations
about
this
water,
this
water
vote-
that's
that's
up
on
kind
of
like
doing
kind
of
group
liquidity
kind
of
shared
liquidity.
I
guess
we're
gonna
talk
about
that
in
a
second
in
the
over
the
course
of
this
conversation
I
was
like
you
know.
J
I
think
liquidity
is
important,
but
like
right
now,
frankly,
the
thing
that
is
most
important
is
to
start
getting
some
revenue
coming
into
the
community,
and
so
that
started
this
conversation
and
the
person
who
jumped
in
and
just
had
just
massive
amounts
to
say
about.
It
was
michael's
argument,
so
people
who
are
not
familiar
for
people
who
are
new
to
the
community
michael's
arguments.
J
This
kind
of
I
I
don't
use
the
word
genius
that
often
but
he's
kind
of
a
genius
when
it
comes
to
token
economics
and
he
runs
block
science,
but
he's
also.
He
was,
I
think,
libby
you
can
add
more,
but
he
was
very
involved
in
some
of
the
founding
of
tec.
J
Right
is
that
right,
so
he
had
a
bunch
of
ideas,
and
so
I
wanted
to
just
try
to
kind
of,
like
summarize
just
briefly
what
he
was
saying
last
night,
not
so
much
because,
like
hey,
we
should
do
these,
I'm
just
it
got
me
excited.
So
I
wanted
to
share
some
of
that
excitement
with
you
all
here
and
you
know.
I
think
these
are
just
kind
of
like
ideas
to
to
explore.
C
J
One
thing
that
he's
talking
about
is
this
idea:
what
he's
calling
inexhaustible
treasuries,
but
basically
this
idea
that
the
funds
that
we
have
in
our
common
pool
he's
like
like
we
should
be
thinking
about
how
we
kind
of
split
those
into
investment
strategies
that
are
kind
of
organized
by,
like
some
specific
outcome
that
we
seek
to
achieve
and
then
almost
like,
manage
those
like
like
an
investment
manager
would
or
like
a
portfolio
manager
would
as
a
way
to
kind
of
like
achieve
you
know,
invest
in
things
in
order
to
achieve
certain
goals.
J
The
second
thing
that's
kind
of
related
to
that
is
that
you
know
he
looks
at.
If
you
look
at
the
projects
that
are
being
funded
through
our
conviction
voting,
we
need
to
be
a
lot
more
clear
about
how
to
kind
of
separate
those.
So
this
is
related.
What
is
to
that
first
point,
but
there's
this
idea
of
operating
expenditures
versus
capital
expenditures,
so
operating
expenditures
would
be.
J
You
know
I
mean
this
kind
of
goes
to
what
you're
talking
about
bear,
which
is
that
there's
the
funds
that
go
to
the
you
know,
funding
the
ongoing
operations
of
a
working
group,
for
example,
and
then
the
capital
expenditures
would
be
things
like
projects
where
we're
trying
to
invest
in
the
capacity
of
that
working
group
to
to
get
better
at
whatever
it
does,
or
it
might
even
be
capital
expenditures
in
projects
that
are
outside
of
the
tec,
or
you
know
somehow
kind
of
related,
but
they're
not
actually
hatched
within
the
tec
and
so
understanding
that
as
a
way
to
kind
of
help
us
with
budgeting,
so
that
we
don't
drain
what
he
called
drain
the
tank
on
our
operating
capacity.
J
There
was
a
lot
of
conversation
about.
He
had
a
lot
of
thoughts
and
I
was
sharing
with
him,
but
this
idea
of
professional
societies
that
there's
all
these
services
that
come
from,
like
the
the
ieee
and
other
kind
of
professional
societies
where
they
have
different
services
that
are
part
of
just
being
part
of
that
community.
J
So,
like
knowledge,
commons
management,
publications,
events,
networking
job
boards,
those
kinds
of
things
that-
and
there
was
some
conversation
about
membership
fees
and
there's
some
dangers
of
having
membership
fees
in
terms
of
keeping
things
open.
And
then
the
last
category
was
what
he
described
as
open
source
software
white
labeling.
So
it's
basically
taking
our
tools
and
opening
them
up
in
kind
of
like
a
you
know,
the
traditional
open
source
way,
but
then
supporting
them
through
services
much
the
way.
J
You
know
it's
like
basically
helping
the
other
communities
that
want
to
use
these
tools
with
like
how
you
actually
support
those
tools,
and
that
really
resonated
for
me,
because
that
was
something
that
I'd
done
in
my
last
job,
which
was
like
providing
tools
to
the
environmental
movement
and
then
finding
ways
to
then
help
build
the
capacity
within
organizations
to
actually
use
those
tools
so-
and
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
interesting
business
models
around
that.
So
I
just
wanted
to
share
that,
because
I
left
that
conversation
thinking
like
wow.
J
A
J
Well,
could
I
add
one
more
thing:
let
me
the
other
thing
was
that
you
know
he
was
michael,
was
very
concerned
about
like
hey,
let's
not
have
this
conversation,
I
mean
it
just
kind
of
happened
on
that
thread
and
he
just
poured
forth
all
this
stuff,
but
you
know
I
think
we
were
both
like
hey.
We
need
to
take
this
out
of
this
thread
and
then
move
it
into
basically
a
process
like
this.
So
I
told
him
I
was
like
hey.
J
I'm
gonna
join
this
meeting
tomorrow
and-
and
I
said
like
hey,
can
I
share
this
as
a
way
of
trying
to
integrate
what
you're
talking
about
it's
like
absolutely
so
he's
I
mean,
I
think
it
would
be
great
to
involve
him
in
this
and
like
use
him
as
council,
but
he's
super
busy.
So
I
think
we
just
need
to
find
ways
to
kind
of
like
loop,
a
man
over
time
when
possible.
J
I'm
not
sure
I
think
I
think
it
would
be
like
just
getting
a
a
meeting
together
with
you
know,
bear
mertz
manu
you
libby,
and
whoever
else
is
interested
to
kind
of
like
review
some
of
what
he
was
talking
about.
But
then
I
don't
know
I
I
don't.
I
don't.
J
K
Hey
gideon,
I
just
want
to
say
I
agree
with
all
your
points
I
think
most,
if
not
all
of
them,
and
so
it's
my
understanding
that
the
common
pool
funds
are
not
currently
being
invested.
Is
that
right,
they're
just
that
they're
just
sitting
there.
J
I
know
they're
they're
open
for
investment,
it's
just
some
of
the
projects,
it's
just
a
question
of
whether
they
are
able
to
get
enough
conviction
to
get
approved,
so
some
of
them
have
been
stuck
and
some
of
them
have
been
moving
through.
K
I
see
okay.
Well,
I
guess
it's
it's
that
way,
partly
because
this
is
still
a
very
early
project,
but
I
know
gnosis.
They
have
like
the
functional
equivalent
of
a
hedge
fund,
a
headphone
hedge
fund
manager,
managing
their
funds
and
all
their
all
their
finances,
it's
all
transparent.
So
I
can
actually
send
you
a
copy
of
their
spreadsheet
if
you're
interested
and
you
can
get
an
idea
of
how
they
farm
their
funds.
K
A
Yeah
and
just
to
clarify
the
funds
of
the
common
pool
are
not
being
invested
in
any
way
just
the
funds
of
the
laser
tag
that
are
being
up
for
like
strategies
of
like
any
type
of
farming,
or
that's
why
this
water
proposal
is
important,
because
it's
suggesting
exactly
that,
so
common
pool
funds
are
safe
and
yeah.
Nothing
is
happening
with
them.
A
A
Trying
to
make
the
best
decisions
for
but
proposing
to
the
community
decisions
on
how
to
invest
those
funds
and
then
another
part
of
the
initial
buy
went
to
the
reward
system.
K
J
Okay
and
thanks
for
clarifying
that
olivia,
I
I
didn't.
I
think
this
is
an
interesting
question
about
investing
like
I
in
there's,
like
investing
in
tokens
like
a
treasury
type
investing
and
then
there's
like
the
investing
that
we're
doing
with
our
common
pool
into
projects,
and
things
like
that.
So
it's
interesting
like
there's
like
a
question
of
terminology
too,
you
know.
K
Oh
and
also
the
the
separation
between
the
operating
funds
and
the
capital
funds.
I
really
agree
with
that
idea,
because
then
we
can
get
more
accurate,
kpis
of
that
working
groups
performance
because
then
we
can
look
at
their
capital
funds
and
see
you
know
based
off
of
that
data,
we
can
see
whether
you
know
they
met
the
kpis
if
we
get
if
even
they
have
kpis
or
if
they
were
success
or
failure
in
their
their
own
eyes.
A
Cool
so
yeah,
I
think,
would
you
like
to
to
do
that
to
propose
a
time
and
maybe
set
up
the
first
call.
A
A
That
the
first
vote
didn't
pass
because
we
didn't
have
enough
quorum
and
then
we
realized
that
maybe
the
quorum
were
suggested
for
snapshot
is
too
high,
that
is,
of
10
people
and
10
of
the
token
holdings.
So
we
didn't
reach
10
of
the
token
holdings
in
the
last
one,
and
we
were
discussing
in
the
stewards
call
yesterday.
Should
we
change
this
quorum?
Is
it
too
high?
A
A
I
mean.
I
understand
that
it
would
provide
liquidity,
but
I
don't
understand
how
much
and
if
it's
worth
all
the
risk
that
we
have,
because
it
feels
like
there's
so
many
risks
that
are
presented
and
just
one
possible
loose
benefit.
That
could
be
interesting.
So
I
think
there's
also
the
challenge
of
like
okay
when
a
question
pops
up.
What
is
the
time
how
how
is
the?
A
How
is
this
pro?
How
can
we
make
this
process
more
just
yet
fast
off,
like
there's
a
question,
there's
someone
answering
that
question.
There
is
a
a
vote
up.
People
know
about
that
vote.
All
this
structure
behind
a
vote
existing
and
in
a
decision
needing
to
be
made,
I
think,
needs
some
attention
now.
I
Yeah,
I
think
engagement
on
on
proposals,
but
also
on
the
forum
overall
is
needed
on
the
tc.
I
think
I
don't
know
the
exact
stats,
but
I
don't
think
enough.
People
see
the
the
posts
and
stuff
going
around,
and
so
I
really
worry.
I
Some
of
the
decisions
and
votes
aren't
really
being
made
like
with
enough
information
by
the
stakeholder
by
the
token
holders,
because
I
don't
know
what's
happening,
but
I
don't
personally
see
any
or
much
conversation
around
most
of
the
proposals,
so
it's
like
they
were
discussed
on
on
another
way
or
they
weren't
discussed
at
all,
and
that
kind
of
worries
me.
B
Just
to
briefly
comment
on
that
yeah,
that's
one
of
the
things
we
will
call.
We
were
going
to
call
the
gardening
sessions.
The
thing
is
that
we
couldn't
coordinate
properly
with
grave.
The
idea
is
that
we
will
have
sessions
to
talk
about
gardens
and
any
question.
People
have
and
try
to
build
some
momentum
against
the
voter
apathy
based
on
sharing
information
about
the
proposals
that
will
be
up
for
a
snapshot
or
gardens.
B
So
this
is
on
the
works.
It's
just
that
grief
is
like
it's
a
great
cut
herder
for
people.
He
you
know
is
a
great
person
for
dynamizing
these
calls,
so
we
were
expecting
for
him
to
do
so,
but
if
not,
then
we
will
have
to
figure
out
another
way
to
to
do
it.
But
yes,
it's
it's
part
of
should
happen.
This
week
should
have
next
week
for
sure.
So
we
can
work
on
that
and
now
we'll
let
you
know
and
see
when
that
happened.
I
This
is
probably
more
of
a
personal
comment,
but
I
would
rather
try
to
to
explore
other
options
that
doesn't
necessarily
include
putting
more
calls
on
on
the
people
participating
here
like
I.
I
don't
think
you
can
attend
more
more
meetings
to
keep
to
be
on
the
loop
of
what's
happening,
especially
with
with
proposals
that
are
going
to
affect
the
the
whole
community
so
like,
ideally,
there's
a
way
that
we
can
get
people
into.
You
know
explore
the
actual
forum
and
both
their
opinions
there.
I
So
I
can
go
in
free
time
and
just
read
through
and
comment
whatever.
I
feel
to
comment.
B
I
hear
you
can
I
just
throw
an
idea
briefly
and
quickly.
What
will
you
think
about,
for
example,
having
are
kind
of
tldr
put
on
this
chord
or
something
along
those
lines?
That's
sort
of
briefly
summarize
every
proposal
that
I
think
you
think
that
will
be
easier.
For
example,.
I
I
I
don't
know
I
I
used
to
go
to
the
forum
like
probably
every
day
in
the
morning
and
just
see
what's
up
but
seems
like
not
everyone
does
that,
and
I
don't
know
if,
for
the
amount
of
talking
holders,
there's
an
equivalent
amount
of
engagement
on
the
meetings
and
like
maybe
the
working
group
meetings
aren't
as
important
to
have
engagement,
because
that's
for
the
people
that
are
particularly
interested
in
in
contributing,
but
as
far
as
decisions
for
the
whole
community.
I
don't
I
don't.
I
A
Interested
in
proposing
a
solution
for
this,
maybe
thinking
about
it,
making
a
proposal
and
bringing
to
next
week's
call.
A
K
Yeah,
you
know,
I
think
I
think,
if
I
could
just
try
him
in.
I
think
this
is
the
big
question
right,
because
you're
dealing
with
several
issues
like
growth
of
the
community,
that
will
hopefully
encourage
more
involvement,
but
then
you
have
to
have
these
proposals
submitted
that
take
time
and
that
don't
meet
quorum
to
you
know
to
make
those
changes
for
for
more
growth.
So
it's
like
a
vicious
circle.
K
So
my
question
is
like:
why
can
we
have
a
a
gnosis
safe,
that's
delineated?
Just
for
these
relatively
you
know,
not
big
changes,
minor
changes
in
the
tec,
but
that
that
go
a
long
way
and
that
don't
require
the
consensus
of
the
community
and
then
you
can
have
you
know,
people
that
are
trusted
in
the
community.
K
These
signers.
On
that
note
a
multi-sig,
safe
and
then
for
like
bigger
changes,
you
have
a
separate,
safe,
that's
tied
to
the
dow
and
that
should
have
the
voice
of
the
community
hurt
like
for
those
big
changes,
and
that
way
you
don't
sacrifice
like
security
for
speed,
but
you
gain
all
the
speed
on
things
that
don't
require
all
this
work.
And
then
you,
you
go
slower
on
the
things
that
are
like
big
for
the
community.
K
That's
what
oren
he's
he's
a
dev
for
gnosis
guild
and
he
did
a
presentation
a
few
days
ago
on
this.
So
because
that
was
one
of
the
questions
that
one
of
the
the
questioners
had
is
they're
moving
so
slow.
Sometimes
we
need
to
do
things
faster
and
then
he
proposed
this
idea
where
you
can
have
safes
that
are
that
are
delineated
for
certain
tasks.
So
that's
maybe
just
an
idea.
A
Yeah,
I
think
if
we
just
lower
the
quorum,
it
would
have
a
similar
effect,
but
I
really
I
really
dislike
that
idea
because
I
think
it
puts,
I
think
it
solves
an
immediate
problem
and
then
it
creates
a
much
bigger
one.
K
Yeah,
I
don't
know
if
it
was
recorded
but
I'll
reach
out
to
oren
and
if
he
has
a
copy
I'll,
send
it
to
you.
J
Can
I
can,
I
just
add
one
one
thing
about.
I
think
also
that
a
lot
of
this
is
going
to
come
down
to
orientation
like
like,
really
helping
people
to
understand
what
you
know,
what
one
why
this
is
so
important
and
then
two
how
to
do
it,
because
it's
a
big
mystery,
like
I
think
you
know,
if
you're
new
to
this
community
and
new
to
web3,
like
voting,
doing
conviction,
voting
and
just
understanding
the
whole
process.
J
It's
super
it's
it's
overwhelming,
so
I
think
this
is
part
of
the
the
work
that
this
is
there's,
not
maybe
a
short-term
answer
to
this.
But
it's
like
these
are
some
of
the
systems
that,
as
a
community,
I
think
we
need
to
put
in
place
it's
like
the
orientation,
but
then
also
the
engagement
processes
for
like
how
do
we,
when
we
have
something,
that's
really
important
like
how
what
are
the
communication
systems
that
we
can
very
easily
kind
of
like
kick
in
and
go
like
okay.
This
is
about
this
really
important.
J
We
need
to
now
push
this
button
and
get
a
lot
of
engagement
around
that
like
we
don't.
I
don't
know
that
we
have
that
right
now.
It
seems
like
a
lot
of
more
manual
effort
like
poor
edu
is
out
there
like
like
having
to
like
do
outreach
to
each
hatcher
and
things
like
that,
and
so
I
think
this
is
something
we
could
probably
systematically
solve
over
time,
but
it
may
just
take
a
little
bit
of
of
work
and
some
time.
I
I
just
want
to
also
say
that
about
small
decisions-
that's
probably
like.
I
guess
that's
why
we
have
working
groups
right.
So
it's
just
more
definition
of
what's
a
small
decision
and
if,
if
we
have
small
decisions,
that
aren't
being
you
know
being
taken
care
of
by
a
working
group,
that's
probably
because
we
need
a
working
group
for
that,
or
something
like
that.
I
So
I
think,
like
the
issue
because,
like
I
think
the
the
solution
is
already
there,
we
have
one
multi-seek
for
each
working
group
and
each
working
group
takes
the
decisions
pertaining
the
the
working
group.
But
if
the
decision
is
involving
more
people,
you
have
to
raise
a
formal
proposal
to
the
whole
community,
so
yeah.
K
I
Well,
I
understand
you
know
they
have
to
somehow
adhere
to
to
what
they
compromise
they
would
do
in
their
proposal,
but
there's
some
flexibility
in
there.
I
guess.
A
I
just
wanted
to
touch
on
culture
work
streams.
I
know
we
don't
have
enough
time,
but
I
wanted
to
share
that.
I
started
this
conversation
on
race
and
gender
on
twitter
and
it
felt
like
people
resonated
with
it.
So
there's
a
crew
wanting
to
have
a
meeting
tomorrow
at
7,
00
pm
europe
time.
If
anyone
is
interested
to
join,
please
message
me
and
I'll.
A
I
include
you
in
the
in
the
invite
and
I
know
bonjour
you
had
something
that
you
wanted
to
share
too
on
the
topic.
You
were
looking
at.
K
Oh
no,
I
was
just
thinking
about
drafting
a
proposal
as
you
suggested
and
so
when,
when
I
find
the
time
I'll
do
that
and
then
I'll
send
it
to
probably
you
and
some
others
for
review.
A
Cool
yeah
feel
free
to
share
in
the
working
group.
That's
the
classic
case
for
a
working
group
advice,
process
of
something
we've
been
discussing
collectively
here
and
then
sharing
with
the
group
to
provide
feedback
we're
in
the
top
of
the
hour.
Thank
you
so
much
everyone.
I
know
there's
some
things
that
we
didn't
have
so
much
time
to
discuss,
but
I
think
it
was
a
a
great
call-
and
we
have
some
action
items
from
here-
that
we
can
continue
working
async.