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City Council, meeting 7, May 14, 2019 - Part 2 of 2
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A
Okay,
members
of
council,
if
you
can,
please
take
your
seats,
we
do
have
quorum
this.
This
meeting
is
now
resumed
members
before
the
recess
council
was
debating
the
mayor's
first
key
item
mm
7.13
on
impact
of
the
2019
provincial
budget
on
the
city
of
toronto.
We
will
return
to
that
item
after
release
of
member
holds
any
releases.
B
A
E
Yes,
man,
speaker
right,
I
spoke
to
you
before
we
broke
for
lunch
item,
CC
seven
point
one
to
the
Karelian
Canada
versus
the
City
of
Toronto
I.
Think
I
spoke
to
you
before
lunch
about
making
that
a
time
sensitive
for
going
in
for
confidential
and
also
so
that
we
could
schedule
the
time
of
the
outside
solicitor
health.
F
B
A
I
J
C
D
Councillor
Perutz,
please.
I
I
I
J
A
F
Yes,
this
is
this
is
the
gosh
who
is
it
now?
One
of
the
big
oil
companies
is
building
a
new
pipeline.
Basically,
that
goes
from
this
is
not
line
9.
This
is
a
new
one
that
goes
from
Hamilton
it'll,
go
all
the
way
to
the
depot
at
Kiel
and
Finch,
and
it's
going
to
cross
a
great
deal
of
municipal
infrastructure,
including
the
LRT
line
on
Finch
Avenue
and
some
other
places
as
well.
M
G
O
I
A
O
So,
since
I
wasn't
able
to
ask
I'd,
like
the
solicitors
city
solicitor,
to
report
back
with
the
package
in
front
of
us
to
Executive
Committee
when
there
are
any
aspects
of
these
cuts
violate
the
Canada
Health
Act,
the
Canada
Health
Act,
and
the
quote
is
to
protect,
promote
and
restore
the
physical,
multiple
mental
well-being
of
residents
of
Canada
and
to
facilitate
reasonable
access
to
health
services
without
financial
or
other
barriers.
The
provinces
get
block
grants
from
called
the
Canada
Health
Transfer,
as
long
as
they
adhere
to
the
provisions
of
the
Canada
Health
Act.
O
What
we're
looking
for
our
city
solicitor
is
whether,
in
fact,
these
cutbacks
from
Toronto
Public
Health
violate
the
provision
of
the
Act
and
therefore
they
would
be
reduced
dollar
for
dollar,
on
the
transfer
to
the
province.
Going
back
to
the
subject
of
the
forests,
specifically
on
the
cuts
to
Toronto
Public
Health,
it's
perceived
by
many
at
Queen's
Park,
that
the
funds
that
they're
giving
to
these
vital
programs
are
actually
costs.
But
when
you
look
closely
at
them,
they
are
investments.
O
When
it
comes
to
daycare,
everybody
knows
that
investments
of
daycare
are
a
financial
driver
of
the
economy.
It
allows
people
to
go
into
the
workforce.
It
allows
people
to
go
back
to
school,
to
upgrade
their
education
and
when
you
have
up
people
in
the
workforce,
when
you
have
a
highly
educated
population,
you're
able
to
generate
economic
activity
and
when
it
comes
to
the
hospital
of
the
the
restaurant
industry,
it's
an
unknown.
What
these
cuts
could
do
to
our
vibrant
restaurant
industry
in
in
Toronto?
Could
the
delay
of
certification
cause
restaurants?
O
To
close,
could
it
prevent
restaurants
from
opening?
Could
it
discourage
customers
from
going
in
these
restaurants?
The
implications
of
these
cuts
could
be
catastrophic
as,
as
we
don't
know
exactly
what
the
implications
would
be,
but
the
industry
itself
would
be
a
grave
peril
if
those
cuts
were
made.
Finally,
I
would
refer
to
a
couple
of
quotes
and
I'm,
not
gonna
mention
the
names
of
members
of
council
who
said
the
following
duck:
Ford's
election
is
terrible
news
for
the
residents
of
our
city.
O
There's
no
sugarcoating
it
on
every
file
of
important,
whether
it's
affordable
housing,
minimum
wage
legislation
or
transit
funding.
This
is
a
disaster.
Another
person
in
another
remember
this
council
said
it's
going
to
be
a
community
leveling
organizations
for
protests.
For
years,
it's
going
to
be
a
very
ugly
four
years.
The
conservative
platform
is
eight
to
ten
billion
dollar
hole
and
that's
going
to
come
out
of
all
the
things
that
affect
the
City
of
Toronto.
Now
these
comments
were
not
made
in
the
last
48
hours.
They
were
not
made
in
the
last
six
weeks.
O
They
were
not
made
in
the
last
two
months.
These
comments
were
made
on
Friday
June,
the
8th
today
after
the
election,
that
Ford
wasn't
even
sworn
in
as
premier
and
the
rhetoric
started
and
I
urge
all
of
us
to
just
cool
it.
Now,
let's
tone
down
the
rhetoric
and
let's
work
with
Queens
Park,
to
make
sure
that
we
get
the
best
deal
for
the
City
of
Toronto
and
the
best
deal
for
the
residents
of
Toronto.
P
We
as
a
council
have
a
duty,
of
course,
to
fight
this
horrible
budget
from
the
province
of
Ontario
and
I'm
glad
that
we've
taken
that
out,
but
as
civic
leaders,
we
also
have
a
duty
to
be
clear
with
the
people
that
we
represent
about.
What's
going
on
and
I
think
on
that
we've
so
far
missed
the
mark,
unlike
what
some
have
suggested.
I
do
not
believe
that
this
is
somehow
a
vendetta
on
the
part
of
the
premier
against
this
council
or
some
members
of
this
council.
P
P
The
underpinnings
are
the
same.
This
is
not
about
Doug
Ford.
This
is
about
a
radical
conservative
agenda
aimed
at
destroying
the
social
safety
net
and
the
services
that
we
share
together
as
Torontonians
and
Ontarians,
to
make
life
more
livable
and
better
for
our
neighbors,
our
family,
the
people
we
work
with
and
ourselves.
P
When
the
budget
was
introduced,
there
weren't
just
losers.
There
were
winners
as
well.
Big
business
got
a
series
of
tax
breaks
totaling
in
the
range
of
about
five
billion
dollars,
a
planned
tax
surcharge
on
the
highest
income.
Ontarians
that
would
have
made
275
million
dollars
was
eliminated
in
the
new
planning
law.
It's
Christmas
for
real
estate
Speculator.
P
P
For
most
of
us,
the
services
that
we
rely
on
being
able
to
get
to
work
on
a
public
transit
system,
that's
well-run
and
well-funded
being
able
to
put
a
child
in
childcare
so
that
both
adults
and
a
family
can
work
being
able
to
rely
on
a
good
school
system
so
that
you
don't
have
to
put
your
kids
into
a
private
education
system
being
able
to
rely
on
a
public
health
system
that
makes
sure
that
those
kids
are
healthy
and
get
something
good
to
eat,
while
they're
at
school.
These
are
services
that
we
share.
P
There
are
things
we
provide
to
each
other.
Without
those
services,
most
of
us,
four
out
of
five
of
us
would
be
unable
to
enjoy
the
benefits
and
and
wealth
that
the
City
of
Toronto
has
our
careers
will
be
limited.
We
would
not
have
the
leisure
time
that
we
have,
we
would
be
sicker
and
because
we
don't
have
the
kind
of
wealth
that
the
people
who
are
benefiting
from
Doug
Ford's
budget
have
we
wouldn't
have
any
other
option.
You
can't,
if
you
don't
own
a
house
and
some
other
part
of
the
continent.
P
P
This
budget.
The
attack
on
these
services,
is
not
an
attack
on
us,
the
City
of
Toronto.
This
is
an
attack
on
everyone
in
the
province
of
Ontario.
Who
doesn't
happen
to
be
wealthy?
This
is
very
much
about
a
radical
conservative
view
that
society
is
comprised
of
winners
and
losers,
and
this
budget
is
aimed
at
making
sure
that
the
winners
win,
bigger
and
the
rest
of
us
become
losers.
P
We
have
to
fight
it.
It's
true.
We
also
have
to
be
honest
with
the
people
that
we
represent
about
what
it
is,
we're
fighting
we're
fighting
an
agenda
that
is
similar
to
the
one
that
we're
witnessing
down
south
we're
fighting
an
agenda.
That's
the
same
as
the
one
in
Alberta
we're
fighting
the
one
that
Faraj
and
his
party
are
pushing
in
the
United
Kingdom.
It's
a
concerted
and
deliberate
attack
on
the
idea
that
when
we
share
the
burdens,
we
all
do
better.
Thank
you.
K
Much
I
just
want
to
clarify
I
was
asking
the
medical
officer
of
health
about
the
student
nutrition
program,
which
I've
worked
on
for
many
years
as
have
many
of
us
in
order
to
make
sure
that
every
day
children
are
fed
when
they're
at
place,
they
have
to
go
every
day,
which
is
school
and
the
apparently
provincial
dollars
haven't
been
clawed
back
yet.
But
the
cuts
to
our
public
health
will
end
up
diminishing
our
ability
to
be
as
robust
as
we
have
been
in
feeding,
kids
and
I.
K
Think
even
in
the
Ford
government
here
at
City
Hall's.
That
was
something
that
actually
was
rolled
back,
because
people
feel
so
strongly
about
not
taking
food
out
of
the
mouths
of
kids
that
need
to
eat
they're,
not
eating
at
home,
they're,
low-income
kids
and
they
need
food.
They
need
the
snack
or
they
need
the
lunch.
K
The
very
programs
that
we
hold
so
dear
I
have
been
following
this,
as
as
everyone
and
I
was
really
intrigued
to
hear
about
the
cuts
to
child
care.
It
just
seems,
like
kids,
are
in
the
sights
of
this
government
at
Queen's
Park,
whether
they
mean
to
or
not,
but
they
are
in
the
sights
we're
talking
about
food
programs
in
schools
and
it's
very
important
for
their
outcomes.
K
Childcare
not
just
for
kids,
but
for
those
parents
who
need
to
go
to
work,
and
we
did
hear
from
children's
services
from
miss
grey
today
that
over
probably
5,000
of
the
subsidies
are
loaned
parent
families.
They
rely
on
those
subsidies
in
order
to
be
able
to
go
to
work,
to
bring
in
enough
money
to
pay
the
rent
to
move
ahead,
to
save
a
little
bit
for
their
children's
education,
but
that's
their
lifeline.
K
It
means
that
5,000
people
could
simply
be
taken
out
of
the
workforce
back
into
their
home
with
their
kids
and
really
and
truly
I,
can't
tell
you
how
important
it
is.
Childcare
is
so
important
for
women
to
get
out
in
the
workforce
to
stay
in
the
workforce
to
have
a
career
for
themselves
to
build
some
equity
for
their
pensions.
K
So
I
don't
want
to
go
into
the
pension
discussion,
but
I
really
do
want
to
say
that
this
is
a
real
big
blow
for
kids,
because
early
learning
is
so
important
if,
for
some
reason
they
cannot
stay
in
childcare.
Early
learning
are
the
determinants
of
how
well
you
will
be
doing
later
and
Fraser
mustard
and
his
groundbreaking
work
said
0
to
6
the
most
important
years
for
your
child
and
mine
and
at
licensed
childcare
with
subsidies
subsidized
spots.
K
That
is
where
children
learn
best
in
good
care,
so
I'm
very,
very
concerned,
because
she
said
they
are
going
to
be
in
the
places
in
this
city
where
we
have
the
highest
levels
of
poverty.
So
I'm
sure
that
our
councillor,
who
is
the
anti-poverty
advocate
poverty
reduction
advocate,
is
going
to
take
this
by
the
horns
and
do
something
about
that
in
those
areas
with
those
eleven
MPPs
who
have
childcare
centres
there,
and
many
of
them
are
in
parts
of
the
city
that
are
under
served
and
have
a
lot
of
low-income
people.
K
So
these
kids
are
low-income,
but
so
are
the
mums
or
single
dads
that
are
using
these
very
important
services.
It
really
is
a
matter
of
your
life
being
turned
around
either
in
a
good
way
to
have
childcare
or
simply
turned
around
in
the
worst
way
possible
to
lose
your
subsidy
and
not
be
able
to
go
to
work.
So
I
do
think
we
have
to
fight
these
much
harder.
K
We
have
to
engage
the
parents
who
have
their
kids
in
childcare
and
bring
people
together
to
simply
say
no,
particularly
with
those
mpps
that
think
that
these
are
harmless
cuts.
They
are
not
harmless,
cuts,
they're,
very
deep
and
very
severe,
sometimes
for
those
people
who
can
least
afford
it.
Thank.
A
E
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker
I'm
I'm
I'm
gonna
have
to
go
back
to
a
comment
one
of
my
colleagues
made,
which
was
that
that
we
in
this
room
need
to
calm
down
the
rhetoric,
and
maybe
they
need
to
calm
down
the
rhetoric.
A
little
on
the
other
side.
I
have
to
take
issue
with
that
on
behalf
of
our
public
service.
I
made
a
tweet
about
it
last
weekend
and
it
got
around
I
know
it
resonated
with
Ontarians.
E
E
E
There
aren't
a
lot
of
us
left
in
this
room:
councillor
Fillion
councillor,
Minh
and
Wong,
but
a
number
of
staff
who
actually
were
here
during
SARS,
who
were
here
when
we
had
to
rebuild
from
that
who
were
here
when
they
very
responsibly
took
the
funds
that
began
to
roll
back
to
us
after
the
healthcare
premium
went
into
place
and
municipal
health
authorities
started
to
get
the
7525
shared
relationship.
They
were
very
careful
about
how
they
used
it
and
how
did
all
of
the
100%
programs
end
up
in
the
public
health
100%
funded?
E
Did
we
beg
them?
Did
we
say
we
can't
afford
to
spend
a
single
penny
on
infectious
disease
control,
we're
begging
you
please.
You
fund
this,
a
hundred
percent.
No,
that
was
their
responsibility.
They
knew
it
at
the
provincial
level
and
they
asked
us
to
deliver
it,
because
what
we
demonstrated
during
SARS
is
it's
the
on-the-ground
health
authority
that
can
do
that,
for
you
best.
There's
no
question,
madam
Speaker,
that
it's
better
funded
out
of
the
income
tax
base.
E
This
city
is
full
of
people
who
bought
houses
for
$60,000
that
are
now
worth
two
and
a
half
million
and
they're
struggling
to
figure
out
how
to
to
meet
their
current
value
assessment.
On
those
taxes,
that's
not
what
healthcare
dollars
should
be
drawn
from,
so
we're
making
a
massive
departure
from
what
we
know
is
the
best
pot
from
which
to
pull
hell,
care
dollars
and
saying
cities
just
take
it
out
of
your
pockets
from
people's
property
assessments.
E
That
makes
absolutely
no
sense
and
it's
being
sort
of
lost
in
the
transition.
It's
good
to
have
these
impact
statements.
It's
good
to
talk
about
the
vulnerable
people
being
hurt
directly
by
the
programs,
but
you're
actually
hitting
every
single
Torontonian.
If
you're
gonna
make
this
policy
change
and
begin
to
pull
from
the
property
tax,
what
should
rightly
be
taken
from
is
taken
all
over
the
world
from
income
tax,
and
that's
what's
going
on
here
and
when
we
don't
meet
it.
E
They'll
come
down
and
withdraw
for
what
is
sacred
in
Canada
health
care
and
preventative
health
care.
By
saying
that,
it's
somehow
our
fault,
if
we
don't
come
up
to
meet
them
with
the
wrong
source
of
revenue,
the
same
is
true
in
child
care
and
the
child
care
system.
They
had
certain
goals
they
wanted
to
meet,
and
so
they
100%
funded
them.
We
didn't
beg
them
hey.
Can
you
please
give
us
some
money
and
we'll
check
everyone's
teeth?
Can
you
please
give
us
some
money
and
we'll
change
the
way
we
pay
child
care
workers?
E
The
province
decided
that
they
should
do
it.
They
gave
themselves
the
mandate
of
providing
a
child
care
system
and
they
asked
us
to
deliver
it
because
we're
best
placed
to
do
so,
but
now
they're
saying
no
take
that
out
of
the
property
tax
base
to
take
it
all
under
the
property
tax
base.
That
a
speaker
had
been
here
before
you
were
in
office.
E
You
were
a
mayor
when
they
first
started,
saying:
let's,
let's,
let's
stop
paying
for
things
out
of
what
is
the
obvious
source
of
revenue,
income
tax
and
just
throw
it
down
on
the
cities
and
that's
what's
happening
again,
and
so
we
talked
about
the
vulnerable
people.
That's
why
I
focused
in
on
the
transition
child
benefit.
That's
gonna
hurt
immigrants,
refugee
claimants,
people
sitting
in
shelters
and
hotels
right
now
that
will
eat
together
those
transitional
childcare
supplements
to
pay
for
housing,
but
it's
the
income
tax
change
in
policy.
B
Thank
you
I'd
like
to
begin
by
saying
that
I
totally
some
more
support
the
mayor's
plan
and
thank
him
for
taking
a
strong
stand.
I
think
people
really
need
to
know
how
arbitrary
and
extreme
these
cuts
are,
and
people
also
need
to
know
which
of
their
elected
representatives,
especially
their
provincial
elected
representatives,
are
standing
up
for
this
city
and
the
people
who
live
in
it.
Why
is
all
this
happening?
I
have
a
different
approach
than
then
councillor
perks,
who
thought
it
was
a
thinks.
It's
a
radical
conservative
agenda.
I.
B
Don't
think
that
I
think
it's
a
radical
conservative
premier,
there's
really
only
two
words
to
explain.
What's
going
on
and
the
first
one
is
Doug
and
the
second
is
Ford,
you
know.
Why
did
he
want
to
be
premier
and
mayor
before
that,
simply
because
he
wants
power
and
most
people
when
they
most
people
want
political
power
to
do
something?
Constructive
and
people
can
have
different
ideologies
about
what
that
is,
and
sometimes
you
know
something
that
looks
very
conservative.
That's
somebody's
legitimate
view
for
how
to
do
something
constructive.
This
shouldn't
be
mistaken
for
any
of
that.
B
B
Power
also
allows
him
to
reward
friends
and
punish
enemies,
we'll
be
dealing
with
planning
changes
tomorrow,
which
we
could
talk
more
about
the
rewarding
friends,
the
punishing
the
enemies.
It's
it's
just
part
of
Doug's
nature.
He
wants
to
establish
who's,
got
the
power
who's,
the
boss
and
I
think
if
he
could,
he
would
introduce
an
omnibus
bill
that
would
make
him
the
premier,
the
mayor
and
the
Prime
Minister
all
at
the
same
time,
I
probably
shouldn't
give
him
any
ideas,
but
you
know
these
cuts
really
allow
him
to
achieve
all
of
his
objectives.
B
B
What
would
be
the
same
thing
that
curbed
the
excesses
of
the
Ford
government
a
little
over
a
year
into
the
first
term
when
a
lot
of
people
of
conscience
who
had
voted
with
him
for
the
first
year
or
so
said
you
know
what
hold
on
this
is
going
too
far,
there's
stuff
here
that
doesn't
make
sense.
This
is
not
what
our
public
bargained
for,
and
people
who
had
supported
his
agenda
stopped,
and
that
happened.
B
You
know
I,
think
by
the
time
we
were
into
the
budget
on
the
second
year,
much
harder
to
do
that
with
a
provincial
government
in
party
politics
with
the
majority
government.
But
it's
really
the
only
way
we
have
any
chance
at
all
of
doing.
That
is
to
call
people
out
when
they
try
to
do
when
they
try
to
spin
things
in
a
way.
G
Yes,
thank
you
very
much.
Madam
Speaker.
I
also
would
like
to
thank
staff
for
their
hard
work
on
getting
the
report
out
before
us.
I
also
recognize
that
the
the
content
and
the
report
is
rushed
literally.
Announcement
comes
out
on
the
Thursday
or
Friday,
and
then
you're
trying
to
respond
within
the
public
service
to
make
sense
of
it,
provide
briefing
notes
for
us
and
so
forth
and
so
forth.
So
I
do
know
that
there
is
a
sense
of
panic
on
the
floor.
G
We're
all
very
calm
right
now,
but
I
know
that's,
certainly
not
the
way
you're
feeling
and
that's
right
across
every
single
division,
that's
being
impacted,
so
I
want
to
say
thank
you
very
much
to
our
city
manager
and
everyone
in
the
top
tier
of
leadership.
For
that
very
steady
hand
on
the
till
I
also
want
to
thank
the
mayor
for
his
for
his
motion.
I
think
that
this
is
a
good
step
in
the
right
direction
in
dealing
with
what
is
going
to
be
an
avalanche
of
other
bad
announcements
that
will
be
coming
forward.
G
I
think
that
we
need
to
also
be
be
mindful
that
toning
down
the
rhetoric
is
not
necessarily
going
to
win
the
next
election
in
2022.
This
is
not
a
sprint
anymore.
This
is
now
a
marathon.
Anyone
suggesting
that
perhaps
next
year,
you
know
all
the
bad
stuff
is
done
this
year.
The
next
year
might
be
better
I,
think
we're
gonna
be
in
for
another
awakening.
I.
G
Believe
that
you
know
a
response
with
a
broad
media
campaign
is
certainly
helpful,
but
it's
actually
not
the
only
thing
that
we
should
be
doing
and
I
certainly
have
no
qualms
about
spending
our
dollars
on
that
campaign.
But
the
mayor
hit
it
right
on
the
head,
the
last
time
when
he
spoke
about
making
sure
the
MPPs
hear
it
on
their
doorsteps,
when
they
in
in
their
own
communities.
G
It's
about
working
with
everybody
who
is
willing
to
work
with
us
in
order
for
us
to
to
really
send
a
message
home
and
we
will
not
have
the
resources
to
reach
into
every
single
MP,
piece.
Writing
and
I
think
this
is
where
councillor
Fillion
is
absolutely
correct.
The
premier
is
only
one
person,
but
should
the
caucus
that
supports
them
in
the
government
that
supports
and
be
able
to
sort
of
shake
loose.
Some
of
those
grips.
If
that
were
to
happen,
that
will
certainly
send
a
message
to
him,
but
that
won't
happen.
G
If
the
coalition
of
civil
minded
forward-thinking
individuals
are
divided,
we
cannot
do
this
by
ourselves,
and
that
means
that
those
40,000
students
that
rose
up
and
walked
out
of
school
we're
gonna
have
to
work
with
those
individuals.
Those
students,
we're
gonna,
have
to
work
with
the
teachers.
We're
gonna
have
to
work
with
the
nurses.
We're
gonna
have
to
work
with
the
business
owners
who
are
fair-minded.
And-And-And
and
public
brought
a
sense
of
engagement
that
they
believe
in
we're.
Gonna
have
to
work
with
our
ratepayers
organizations.
We're
gonna
have
to
work
with
the
activists.
G
All
the
activists
that
sometimes
you
don't
like
to
hear
from
you're
gonna
have
to
work
with
them
too,
because
that's
what
it's
gonna
take
for
us
to
to
shift
the
ground
politically
and
it's
good
to
start
it.
With
a
with
a
media
campaign,
we
can
buy
a
few
billboards,
put
up
a
few
shelter
ads,
but
in
order
for
this
to
really
make
a
difference
for
the
ground
to
shake
in
front
of
Queen's
Park,
we're
gonna
have
to
put
aside
some
of
those
differences
and
we're
going
to
have
to
work
together,
and
that's
the
only
way.
G
The
only
way
between
now
and
2020
to
that
I
see
a
path
out
of
this.
So
this
is
not
about
political
theater.
There
have
been
times
where
we've
been
accused
of
raising
oppositional
voices
and
saying
that
political
theater,
it's
about
standing
up
for
your
values
and
saying
this
is
the
line
in
the
sand.
G
You
cross
it
we're
now
gonna
we're
now
going
to
be
embroiled
into
a
battle,
because
these
are
our
values
and
if,
for
a
moment
of
time,
if
this
is
truly
Team,
Toronto,
truly
Team
Toronto,
then
team
Toronto
is
gonna
have
to
stand
up
for
the
most
vulnerable
in
Ontario,
and
that
means
that
we're
gonna
have
to
look
right
into
the
faces
of
those
individuals
who
be
most
impacted
and
there
will
be
a
gender
and
equity
impact.
These
decisions
will
impact
people
differently.
G
Sure
the
rich
will
get
richer,
but
they
will
feel
it,
but
not
the
way
the
poor
will
feel
it
and
certainly
not
the
way.
Women
will
feel
it
and
certainly
not
the
way.
Racialized
communities
will
feel
it
and
that's
the
fight.
So
if
we're
gonna
do
this
together,
as
team
Toronto
I'm
gonna
suggest
that
we
figure
out
how
to
work
together
with
all
the
other
civil
society.
Partners
are
out
there
that
are
asking
for
leadership,
and
we
need
to
come
to
the
table
with
that.
As
a
response,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
M
You
in
a
chair,
I,
really
commend
the
mayor
for
this
motion
and
his
pretty
battle
for
the
people
of
Toronto
he's
battling
for
the
people
of
Toronto
and
I
want
to
thank
him.
Last
week
he
and
councillor
crusty
and
the
medical
officer
of
Health
I
mean
Davila,
came
to
a
town
hall
and
my
writing
to
speak
about
the
importance
of
Public
Health
and
we
and
councilor
Matt
Lowe,
showed
up
and
I
think
they
demonstrated
their
passion
for
standing
up
for
something
that
is
very
important
to
vulnerable
people
in
Toronto.
M
That's
what
they're
doing
they're
not
going
to
be
able
the
you
know
the
mother's
losing
daycare
child
care,
the
children
losing
the
breakfast
program.
They
aren't
going
to
call
their
MPP,
they
aren't
going
to
call
the
media.
So
thankfully,
the
mayor
and
leadership
shown
by
other
councillors
is
something
that's
helping.
People
who
cannot
stand
up
and
fight
for
themselves
and
I.
Think
we've
got
to
remind
ourselves
of
that
I.
M
M
We
all
went
to
a
restaurant
up
in
Scarborough,
as
elected
officials.
Saying,
please
don't
be
afraid,
go
because
it's
gonna
make
it
worse.
If
you
don't
stand
up
and
support
people
in
these
hard
times,
but
and
Toronto
made
it
all
over
the
newscast
internationally,
you
know
what
the
word
was:
don't
go
to
Toronto
because
you're
going
to
get
a
disease,
an
epidemic
don't
go
so
that
reality
has
got
to
be
shared
with
the
people
of
Toronto
who've,
never
experienced
it
forgotten
it.
M
There
Walkerton
when
seven
people
died
and
five
hundred
people
were
in
kidney
dialysis
in
Walkerton.
They
don't
know
that
they
don't
know
the
Walkerton.
What's
that?
So
that's
why
it's
so
critically
important
for
us
to
get
that
message
out
and
I
think
the
way
we
can
help
is
really
letting
people
know
what's
in
the
budget
and
what's
in
the
cuts.
M
So
that's
why
I'm
trying
to
do
my
public
town
halls
I'm
doing
another
one
Thursday
night
on
the
developers
dreamed
legislation
108
I'm
doing
that
because
that
means
you
know
the
end
of
development
charges
that
help
build
community
centers.
It
means
that
the
OMB
can
override
heritage
designation.
So
forget
your
heritage,
designation!
It's
going
to
be
meaningless,
so
I'm
doing
a
meeting
on
that
Thursday
night
and
I.
Think
that's
the
job.
M
We
can
do
well
as
counselors
have
these
town
hall
meetings
and
do
them
in
communities
where
people
are
looking
for
information
and
share
that
information,
because
it's
not
going
to
be
done
by
the
media,
because
the
media
is
also
overloaded.
They
can't
keep
up
with
the
pace
of
change
and
turmoil,
and
you
know
I
agree
with
what
councilor
perc
said
about.
This
is
radical
agenda,
but
I
also
want
to
say
to
him.
The
radical
agenda
also
seems
to
focus
on
the
people
of
Toronto.
M
Why
rip
up
the
Toronto
transit
plan
cut
1
billion
dollars
of
every
day,
transit
maintenance,
180
million
dollar
cuts
from
the
toronto
budget
disproportionately
the
take
over
a
planning
in
toronto.
I
mean
sure
the
thing
about
mike
harris,
at
least
he
cut
everybody
evenly
across
the
province,
but
this
guy
wants
to
be
I.
Don't
know
he
wants
to
cut
be
the
mayor
of
Toronto
he's
just
gone
nuts
in
terms
of
these
cuts
to
the
engine
of
the
province.
M
Why
would
he
cut,
and
you
know
who
should
speak
up
and
I,
really
challenge
the
corporate
interest
in
Toronto
and
Ontario
the
businesspeople?
Why?
The
silence
as
Public
Health
is
being
cut.
Why
don't
they
stand
up
and
say?
This
is
not
good
for
the
economy
to
cut
childcare
and
public
health.
Let
them
stand
up
and
speak
up
for
once,
not
just
elected
officials,
Thank
You,.
B
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
Speaker.
You
know
in
this
conversation
I
think
many
counselors
in
here
one
that
paint
you
know
the
skies
are
turning
black.
Everything
is
turning
over
and
I
and
I
really
do
call
it
for
what
it
is
to
me
too
many
people
hearing
you
know
going
back
to
the
1990s
reliving
the
days
on
Walkerton
and
SARS
and
in
the
fear-mongering
that
is
going
along
with
that.
I
think
is
that
rageous
I
think
it
isn't
rageous
to
the
people.
B
B
347
billion
dollars
of
debt
in
the
province
of
Ontario
I
have
the
pleasure
of
being
a
millennial.
25
years
old
and
I
will
admit
that
scares
me
and
I
think
as
this
government
is
moving
ahead,
not
on
the
radical
conservative
agenda.
Absolutely
not
I.
Don't
believe
that
for
one
bit
I
I
am
man,
speaker
I,
don't
appreciate.
B
Speaker
on
the
point
of
order,
I
have
sat
in
this
chamber
quietly
respectfully
and
over
all
the
other
members,
seeing
what
they
had
to
say.
I
would
appreciate
the
same
respect
please
so
it's
three
hundred
and
forty
seven
billion
dollars
of
debt.
That
scare
me
that's
Jeremiah,
generation
and
I.
Think
people,
my
generation
and
the
people
in
the
City
of
Toronto
want
to
be
living
in
a
city.
Now
has
a
good,
strong
financial
and
a
province
and
is
very
stable
and
financially
stable.
You
know
what
but
I'm
not
I'm,
not
to
defend
okay.
A
B
Soup,
you
know,
IIIi
am
gonna,
be
brief.
Here,
I
think
we
need
to
turn
our
attention
to
what
we
can
do
as
a
city
as
the
economic
engine
of
Ontario
to
be
fiscally
responsible
right
on
this
agenda.
On
this
agenda
alone,
the
Auditor
General
has
report
with
227
recommendations
from
the
Audit
Committee,
which
the
main
driver
of
them
is
cost
savings
and
not
been
implemented.
Maybe
we
need
to
turn
our
attention
to
that.
How
do
we
find
these
efficiencies?
I
watch
the
Board
of
Health
I've
sat
here.
B
I'm
listened
I
have
heard
very
little
talk
about
what
we
can
do
when
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
to
reinvest
and
find
these
efficiencies
and
put
it
towards
the
programs.
We
all
think
are
important.
There's
been
very
little
talk
about.
You
know
our
councillors,
who
are
hosting
town
halls.
Are
they
going
to
advertise
that
we
have
all
these
outstanding
audit
recommendations?
Are
they
going
to
advertise
that
last
term
are
on
under
general?
Broad
us
upwards
are
30
million
dollars
a
year
potential
savings
on
child
care
career?
Is
that
going
to
be
advertised?
B
No
I,
probably
won't
I.
Think
in
this
chamber
we
need
to
be
focused
on
working
with
the
province.
They
are
our
biggest
partner.
We
can't
conduct
the
business
we
do
at
City
Council
for
the
residents
of
Toronto
without
their
partnership,
so
I
think
there
has
to
be
a
lot
more,
a
diplomatic
approach
to
this,
rather
than
a
divisive
approach,
you
encounter
passion,
a
Craig
on
June,
8th
before
anything
was
done.
B
This
council
or
members
in
this
council
we're
steadfast
ready
to
fight
to
the
end,
no
matter
what
no
open
door
so,
whether
it's
this
or
the
next
item
or
uploading,
the
cheats
here
whenever
there's
a
an
agenda
in
here
that
is
fight,
fight
fight
and
I,
think
we
need
to
be
working
together.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
J
Holiday,
thank
you
for
the
floor.
Madam
Speaker
I
have
a
very
brief
motion.
It
is
just
to
amend
the
Board
of
Health
recommendations
which
we
are
considering,
along
with
the
mayor's
report.
I've
spoken
to
the
chair
of
the
Board
of
Health
I
believe
that
it
brings
most
of
the
motions
into
full
alignment
between
the
two
reports
and
reinforces
something
that
I
want
to
say
in
my
moments
here
at
the
microphone.
J
Nobody
should
be
surprised.
I'm,
one
of
the
first
counselors
here
to
openly
admit
that
I've
questioned
many
programs
in
the
city
and
I
questioned
them.
Fundamentally,
you
know
there
are
things
that
we
must
deliver
by
rule
or
by
by
some
other
policy,
and
that's
no
different
in
health
and
I.
Think
there
are
some
things
that
this
council
decides
to
deliver
on
its
own.
J
It's
no
small
figure
and
sixty-five
million
dollars
of
that
is
very,
very
material
and
I
can't
I
contrast
that
to
the
the
net
expenditures
of
Toronto,
Public
Health,
so
all
of
the
gross
expenditures,
some
of
the
money
that
they
collect
from
other
orders
of
governments,
predominantly
the
provincial
government
and
their
whole
proposed
operating
budget-
was
64
million
dollars.
So,
according
to
the
staffs
number,
the
cut
is
larger
than
the
amount
we
even
give
to
Toronto
Public
Health,
so
I'm
quite
willing
to
have
a
conversation
about
the
different
services
that
are
in
Toronto
Public
Health.
J
J
Perhaps,
but
there's
gonna
have
to
be
a
long
process
to
do
that
through
the
budget
committee,
but
where
I
have
a
big
exception
is
to
change
the
funding
mid-year,
and
this
is
baked
in
183
million
dollars
worth
of
funding
and
to
rip
65
million
dollars.
Out
of
that,
I
mean
we're
getting
shafted
I,
don't
know
how
we're
going
to
make
that
I.
J
Changing
at
mid-year
I
have
a
real
problem
with
changing
the
2019
budget
after
we've
already
said
it,
so
that
message
needs
to
go
back
very
very
clearly.
The
facts
need
to
go
back
to
the
residents
of
the
city.
So
they
understand
this
is
very,
very
complicated
stuff,
but
the
end
of
the
day,
65
million
dollar
hole
I,
have
no
idea
how
we
can
fill
that,
and
this
is
a
very,
very
serious
thing
going
forward.
Should
we
have
a
discussion
with
the
province?
J
I
mean
they're,
paying
75%
of
the
freight,
and
if
they
don't
want
to
continue
certain
programs
or
there,
they
take
exception
to
some
of
the
decisions
we've
made
then
table
those
will
talk
about
them.
But
at
this
point
we
just
have
a
haircut
right
now
of
65
million
dollars,
plus
all
the
other
services
that
are
contained
in
the
reports
here.
J
I
should
mention
we're
an
untenable
position
and
I
think
the
City
Council
should
point
out
that
that
is
just
not
an
acceptable
process
to
switch
things
right
in
the
middle
of
the
game,
and
we
need
to
send
that
message
that
it's
not
workable,
the
way
that
it
is
and
let's
figure
out
a
path
forward
together.
Thank
you,
madam.
C
J
C
B
E
Speaker
I'm
hoping
they
can
put
it
back
up
because
it
hasn't
been
circulated
yet
I
just
want
to
clarify
so
I
you
you
want
us
out
to
highlight.
2019
am
I
to
take
the
fight
by
highlighting
2019,
to
amend
the
motion
to
do
that
that
you're,
giving
tacit
approval
to
changing
the
the
cost-sharing
formula,
no
I
think.
E
J
I
think
it
strengthens
the
position
of
counsel
to
take
strong
objection
to
changes
to
the
2019
funding
year.
I
recognize
the
reality
of
the
situation
that
I
don't
think
the
province
is
just
going
to
forget
about
some
of
these
proposals
that
they
have
and
it
would
be
the
lies
of
this
council
to
open
up
a
process.
If
there's
going
to
be
a
change
to
figure
out
what
that's
going
to
be
in
out
years,
but
in
the
2019
year
we
can't
change
the
goal
posts
or
reset
the
formula
it's
too
late.
So.
E
E
J
E
So
so
the
item
number
one
that
the
mayor's
proposed
actually
does
highlight
2019,
but
in
the
future,
in
the
other
clauses,
what
it
does
is
make
clear
that
the
formula
itself
is
the
problem.
So
I'm
wondering
how
your
amendment
strengthens
our
case
on
the
whole
proposal.
How
does
it
strengthen
it
by
narrowing
it
to
the
six
months
remaining
in
this
year?
If
you
would
clarifying
for
me
the
word
strength,
I
think.
J
E
J
If,
if
you
picked
up
on
what
I
was
talking
about
in
the
questions,
I
was
asking
I,
wasn't
really
clear
from
the
mathematics
brought
forward
by
the
chief
medical
officer
of
Health
of
exactly
what
of
those
core
services
were
under
threat.
We
couldn't
get
those
answers,
so
I
have
some
exceptions
with
changing
funding
on
things
that
are
required,
services
that
are
set
by
the
province.
That's
a
different
discussion
than
some
of
the
other
services
that
are
baked
into
the
larger
number
and
well
again,
because
the
report.
E
P
J
P
And,
and
that's
fine
I
understand
that
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
what
you're
doing,
given
that
the
mayor's
motion
number
1
does
make
reference
to
the
total
cuts
in
the
2019
budget.
What
is
gained
by
removing
the
language
that
says
we
object
to
all
public
health
cuts
over
the
next
four
years
and
saying
only
2019,
given
that
we've
already
got
20
19
in
the
mayor's
motion.
What
is
gained?
P
B
J
P
Want
to
follow
you
a
little
further
here.
Your
motion
does
not
say,
please
sit
down
with
us
and
have
a
discussion
about
what
public
health
services
should
be
delivered
in
the
years
2020
and
on
what
your
motion
does
do
is
remove
council
from
having
a
position
that
the
20,
20
and
21
and
22
cuts
are
not
being
objected
to
well.
P
Okay,
final
question,
so
you
agree,
then,
that
we
need
to
have
that
conversation
about
how
the
cost-sharing
works
in
future
years,
so
I'm
going
to
take
it
by
that.
You
agree
also
with
premier
Ford
that
the
province
of
Ontario
should
be
the
only
province
in
the
entire
country
where
the
province
doesn't
have
full
responsibility
of
public
health
costs.
I.
J
A
F
Speak
Thank,
You,
speaker,
Speaker
I
have
a
motion
and
I'm
not
going
to
read
the
motion,
but
what
it
attempts
to
do
and
I
hope
it
does.
It
is
basically
ask
that
the
City
of
Toronto
secede
financially
from
the
city
from
the
province
of
Ontario,
so
that's
economic,
secession,
I'm,
not
talking
about
a
charter
I'm,
not
talking
about
governance,
I'm,
not
talking
about
changing
the
constitution
of
the
Government
of
Canada
or
any
of
those
kinds
of
things.
What
this
says
is
this:
the
province
basically
is
got
a
shackle.
They've
had
a
shackled,
basically
cents
amalgamation.
F
F
What
we
really
had
was
you
know
you
had
the
heads
up,
they
would
say
you
know
what
we're
thinking
of
reorganizing
our
relationship
with
you.
The
Liberals
did
it
to
us
the
Mike
Harris
conservatives
did
it
to
us,
did
it
with
us,
but
what
is
different
now
is
that
there
are
no
more
rules
to
the
game.
I
think
the
mayor
this
morning
was
gentlemanly
about
it.
F
F
F
F
F
F
We
don't
get
back
anywhere
near
what
we
contribute
nobody's
been
complaining
about
that.
In
fact,
the
mayor
was
a
gentleman
about
that
this
morning
as
well.
He
said
we,
you
know
what
we
understand,
that
we
need
to
contribute
to
you
know
regional
development
across
the
country
and
into
regionally
across
the
province.
Torontonians
have
always
accepted
that
fact.
F
That
fact,
yes
I,
know
I
thought
I'd
pronounced
that
correctly.
That
fact
that
they
CT,
but
we
don't
get
anywhere
near
that
kind
of
that
kind
of
that
kind
of
money
back.
So
what
we
really
have
is
we
have
a
bunch
of
new
guys
up
at
Queen's,
Park
right
and
the
old
folks.
The
experienced
folks
are
being
led
by
the
new
people
and,
quite
frankly,
the
game's
not
clear
yet,
but.
C
J
C
Two
reasons:
a
I
wonder
if
the
councillor
really
believes
that
the
provincial
government
will
even
for
a
moment,
seriously
entertain
this
request
and
be
that
there's
been
no
consideration
that
I
can
see
based
in
this
motion,
for
where
the
offsets
would
come
from
to
take
the
provincial
funding
away.
That
is
currently
funding
provincial
programming
and
services
that
we
all
rely
on.
No.
F
I'm
gonna
support
the
mayor's
motions.
I
have
no
problem
supporting
out
here's.
What
my
motion
asks
just
to
maybe
I
didn't
explain
it
well.
It
says
this.
The
provincial
government
gives
us
2.4
billion
dollars
a
year
in
supports
as
part
of
our
operating
budget.
What
this
motion
would
do
is
that
it
would
say
forget
about
it.
F
Don't
give
us
the
money,
give
us
provincial
income
tax
points
equivalent
to
2.4
billion
dollars
and
we'll
figure
out
what
programs
we
spend
it
on
and
we'll
figure
out
what
we
carry
on
with
and
what
we
don't
carry
on
with.
They
can
keep
their
money.
Just
give
us
the
tax
points
and
let
us
control
those
tax
points.
That's
what
this
does
and
what
that
would
do
is
create
it's
create.
F
It's
about
economic
independence,
if
they
ever
were
to
say,
I
agree
with
you
they'd
like
control.
They
want
to
shackle
us.
They
don't
want
to
give
us
economic
independence,
they
want
our
enslavement
to
them
and
and
that
2.4
billion
dollars.
That's
essentially
what
it
does,
because,
because
we're
going
to
go
in
in
a
few
short
weeks
and
start
our
budget
process
all
over
again
and
it
could
mean
a
7
percent
property
tax
increase
to
basically
try
to
find
this
money.
So
he's
got
no
problem
taking
the
money.
I
Yes,
thank
you
very
much,
madam
Speaker
and
first
off
I'd,
just
like
to
thank
the
mayor
for
putting
forward
the
motion
and
making
it
his
key
item,
which
I
think
highlights
the
importance
that
that
council
is
putting
on
this
change.
You
see
once
again,
the
province
has
plunged
our
city,
this
council,
into
chaos.
I
These
cuts
are
cruel.
They
focus
on
the
most
vulnerable
people
in
our
city,
cuts
to
public
health,
to
programs
that
try
to
contain
communicable
diseases,
cuts
to
programs
that
feed
children,
so
they
can
learn
well
cuts
to
programs
that
prevent
the
spread
of
exposure
to
spread
and
exposure
to
food
borne
illnesses,
cuts
to
EMS
as
our
as
our
citizens
age
and
need
more
of
these
services,
and
you
know,
council
has
already
stood
opposed
to
the
public
health
to
the
provincial
cuts
to
public
health.
I
I
The
premier
is
trying
to
make
us
believe
that
the
cuts
are
administrative
in
nature
that
but
but
he's
not
being
honest,
as
we
heard
earlier
today,
only
17%
17%
of
the
cut
is
to
the
administrative
budgets
of
our
programs,
an
administrative
budget
that
the
province
mandates
based
on
the
subsidy
program.
The
province
actually
mandates
us
to
have
that
administrative
collection,
but
a
full
50
percent
of
these
cuts
are
cost
shared
subsidies
directly.
Those
subsidies
that
that
13,000
kids
are
waiting
for.
So
they
can
go
to
childcare.
So
so
so
parents
can
go
back
to
work.
I
We're
gonna
have
to
cut
6,000
new
subsidies
going
for
it.
There's
a
13,000
wait
list
for
subsidies
and
50%
of
the
money.
The
80
million
dollars,
that's
being
proposed
to
be
cut
comes
out
of
those
programs,
but
that's
not
enough.
33
percent
of
the
the
money
being
cut
actually
comes
from
serving
programs
for
kids
with
special
needs,
kids
struggling
with
a
variety
of
different
issues
that
make
it
more
expensive
and
more
difficult
for
their
childcare
to
deliver
the
appropriate
level
of
service.
I
Let's
take
it
out
on
them,
so
we're
targeting
at
least
the
childcare
cuts
are
targeting
low-income
areas,
because
the
the
child
cares
that
have
more
subsidy.
Pro
rely
on
more
fees
are
more
vulnerable
to
these
cuts
they
may
have
to
close,
but
we're
targeting
those
areas
and
those
individuals
that
rely
on
the
most
and
then
on
top
of
this,
every
full
fee.
I
Paying
parent
with
a
kid
in
childcare
is
gonna,
get
a
4.6
percent
increase
in
their
bill
for
every
single
full
fee,
paying
parent
we're
targeting
all
of
those
families,
and
it's
not
fair
and
with
respect
to
the
comments
from
from
councillor
ford
here
and
and
and
with
respect
to
the
cuts
that
are
coming,
we
have
reached
out.
The
mayor
has
reached
out
these
cuts
came
without
consultation
without
warning
halfway
through
the
fiscal
year.
Thank.
A
D
A
Okay,
no,
oh!
A
A
It's
just
wait
for
a
few
seconds,
because
I
think
maybe
I
went
a
little
too
fast.
I,
don't
know.
If
members
of
council
know
what
item
were
at
I.
R
Madam
Speaker,
thank
you.
I
won't
belabor.
This
I
have
these
motions
here
and
what
they
essentially
do
is
to
bring
together
the
work
that
was
done
by
the
Toronto
East.
You
are
community
council
subcommittee
and
work.
That's
been
done
by
city
staff
and
and
bring
it
all
into
one
and
I
think
the
gist
of
it.
That
I
want
to
speak.
R
That's
been
done
at
Exhibition
Place
by
the
chair
and
the
board
work
done
by
the
subcommittee
of
these
Toronto
East
York
Council
and
by
our
own
City
staff,
and
have
a
more
cooperative
consolidated,
look
at
the
two
premises
taken
together
and
that
doesn't
mean
they're
been
failed.
Attempts
in
the
past
to
sort
of
bring
them
together
under
common
ownership
and
all
that
kind
of
thing
they've
been
failed.
R
Attempts
for
whatever
series
of
reasons
doesn't
matter,
but
in
this
case,
what
we're
saying
and
I'm
I'm
really
hopeful
that
the
province
will
in
a
genuine
way
adopt
a
different
approach
than
what
has
been
adopted
on
the
budget.
That
was,
as
we've
discussed
all
day
so
far.
Unilateral.
It
was
retroactive.
It
was
done
without
consultation.
Here
is
an
opportunity,
I
think
for
us
to
sit
together,
and
it
will
only
work
if
it's
done
in
a
genuine
way.
R
It
will
only
work
frankly
legally
if
it's
done
in
a
genuine
way,
I
respect
and
understand
the
fact
that,
even
though,
for
example,
we
actually
own
a
piece
of
the
entero
play
site,
the
City
of
Toronto.
Does
that
and
I
understand
the
fact
that
can
be
legislated
and
regulated
like
a
lot
of
things
by
Queen's
Park,
but
we
can
have
one
of
two
ways
of
doing
this.
R
One
is
the
productive
way
that
could
produce
something
truly
excellent
at
Exhibition,
Place
and
Ontario
Place
for
the
people
of
Toronto
and
the
people
of
Ontario,
and
the
other
way
is
kind
of
like
the
way
the
budget
has
gone,
which
is
a
way
that
I
will
say
from
my
standpoint
could
well
have
them
if
they
want
to
do
it.
This
way,
passing
a
regulation
or
considering
a
piece
of
legislation
about
every
two
weeks.
R
You
know
and
consuming
half
the
time
of
the
entire
legislature
to
try
and
get
something
done
in
a
way
that
is
non
consultative,
a
non-cooperative
and,
to
me
it's
a
no-brainer
that
you
would
go
with
the
approach
that
says
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
faster
and
better
produce
something
truly
excellent
across
both
sites
that
make
sense,
because
you've
been
able
to
sort
of
use
the
resources
of
the
two
sites
for
the
people
of
Toronto
and
the
people
of
Ontario.
If
you
do
it
in
genuine
collaboration
and
cooperation,
genuine
collaboration
and
cooperation.
R
I
said
this
morning
and
speaking
to
the
media.
Genuine
collaboration
and
cooperation
does
not
mean
collaboration
in
name
only.
It
does
not
mean
you
send
plans
down
to
the
city
hall
and
say
this
is
how
we've
decided
to
deal
with
your
waterfront
or
with
your
Exhibition
Place,
and
when
I
say
your
waterfront
I
acknowledge
the
fact
that
Ontario
Place
is
largely
not
exclusively
owned
by
the
province
and
has
been
developed
over
the
years
as
a
provincial
attraction
and
I
think
over
many
of
those
years.
R
A
good
job
was
done
at
that,
but
at
the
same
time
it
is
still
our
waterfront
where
the
water
meets.
The
land
is
part
of
Toronto's
waterfront,
and
we
have
demonstrated
over
the
years
we
and
the
other
two
governments
that
we
can
work
together
to
develop
and
to
evolve
that
waterfront
for
the
benefit
of
the
people
of
Ontario,
Canada
and
Toronto
and
I.
Think
we
have
another
opportunity
to
do
that
again
now,
with
the
full
involvement
of
Exhibition
Place.
R
The
involvement
of
the
antero
Place
governance
says
it
now
is
which
is
more
release
as
subsumed
inside
the
government
of
Ontario
and
the
involvement
of
the
people
and
the
government
of
the
City
of
Toronto
so
and
by
the
way.
If
the
federal
government
want
to
be
part
of
this
in
terms
of
any
sum
any
interest
they
have
in
improving
that
section
of
town
and
then
of
course,
we'd
be
interested
I
think
there's
just
nothing
but
opportunity
here,
but
I
think
it's
going
to
require
us
to
have
made
the
first
move
and
I
will
say.
R
As
I
said
this
morning,
I
was
the
person
that
reached
out
to
the
premier
privately
in
August
and
said
to
him,
as
we
stood
at
Exhibition
Place
at
the
opening
ceremonies
for
the
CNE.
We
really
should
be
working
on
this
together.
We
should
be
working
on
this
together,
even
though,
at
the
time
all
the
talk
was
about
Ontario,
Place
and
I.
R
I
commend
this
process
initiative
to
you
that
reaches
out
to
the
province
and
ask
them
to
work
with
us
and
I
just
look
forward
to
them,
hopefully
saying
yes
to
that
process
participating
in
it
in
a
genuine
way
and
producing
a
fantastic
result
for
the
people
of
Ontario
and
the
people
of
Toronto.
Thank
you
thank.
A
N
If
you
can
imagine
it
1.5
million
people
into
Ontario
Place
last
year,
that's
more
than
the
CN
tower
on
the
basis
of
Trillium
Park
in
the
cinah
spheres.
Nobody
would
tell
you
that
it's
it's
not
set
or
time
for
an
uplift
and
a
revitalization.
We
know
it
is,
but
you
only
get
one
chance
to
revitalize
Ontario
place.
You
only
get
one
and
thus
it's
critical
that
you
get
it
right
now.
The
province
owns
most
of
the
land
on
Ontario
Place,
but,
as
the
mayor
said,
they
don't
own
all
the
land.
N
In
fact,
the
city
owns
part
of
it
and
more
than
being
an
owner,
a
part
of
the
land
is
the
city.
We
have
a
direct
vested
interest
related
to
the
infrastructure
and
servicing
requirements,
the
transit
requirements,
the
integration
with
Exhibition
Place
that
is
being
talked
about
for
decades.
There
has
been
motion
after
motion
at
the
city
about
looking
at
the
Exhibition
Place
in
Ontario
Place
as
a
precinct
until
the
simple
fact
is,
the
city
can't
go
it
alone,
but
nor
can
the
province.
In
fact,
this
will
only
work
as
a
revitalization
exercise.
N
All
of
that
is
required,
and
I
should
tell
you
that
when
it
comes
to
Ontario
Place,
it's
not
just
people
who
grew
up
going
to
see
bands
there
in
the
70s
and
80s
who
are
paying
attention.
I've
been
blown
away
at
the
thousands
of
Torontonians
and
Ontarians
who
have
responded
on
this
from
the
Ontario
place
for
all
organizing
group.
Just
everyday
residents,
who've
come
up
to
town
halls,
and
so
what
we
know,
Ontario,
Place
and
Exhibition
Place
should
be
which
is
somewhere
that
exists
for
everyone
and
I.
N
Think
many
of
us
also
know
what
it
shouldn't
be,
which
is
a
mega
mall
or
a
casino,
and
so
I'll,
simply
close
by
saying
that
the
the
future
of
Ontario
Place
should
belong
to
all
Ontarians.
Its
future
should
be
decided
in
public
with
public
input
in
with
the
City
of
Toronto.
We
cannot
allow
the
future
of
Ontario
place
or
exhibition
place
to
be
decided
in
backrooms.
N
I
Thank
you,
I
just
wanted
to
add
to
two
things
in
particular,
one
that
we
have
an
opportunity
here
to
do
one
of
two
things:
one
is
to
create
something
that
we
can
be
proud
of
and
that
we
can
take
our
kids
to
and
our
grandkids
to
for
generations,
or
we
have
what
we
we
make.
The
mistake
that
is
to
squander
this
amazing
public
resource.
The
second
point
I
want
to
make
is
around
around
wasting
time.
I
Think
I
was
like
many
Torontonians
and
didn't
know
exactly
what
was
going
on
on
the
Exhibition
Place
got
a
new
Ontario
place
very
well
knew
of
the
fair
and
knew
of
some
events
but
I
to
question
the
benefit
of
vast
parking,
lots
and,
and
some
of
these
underused
heritage
buildings.
But
the
more
I
got
to
appreciate
and
learn
about
the
site.
The
more
I
actually
got
to
explore
some
of
the
secrets
that
are
in
Exhibition
Place,
with
the
Rose
Garden,
the
the
garden
of
the
Greek
gods,
the
public
art.
I
That's
on
the
site,
the
the
beauty
of
some
of
the
heritage
buildings
in
the
history
of
things
like
the
Royal,
the
CNE.
Some
of
the
other
events
that
have
have
actually
given
shape
to
the
grounds
the
more
I
appreciated
that
there
are
actually
a
lot
of
players
involved
and
once
more
as
the
neighborhood
grew
up
around
it.
More
and
more
people
were
laying
claim
were
had
a
stake
in
the
debate
and
I
I.
I
Think
that
having
now
learned
what
I
have
about
Exhibition,
Place
and
spent
time
on
the
board
spend
time,
as
the
local
representative
I
realized
that
we
do
truly
need
to
have
a
strong
vision
for
the
site.
It
needs
to
not
only
serve
our
purpose
as
a
city,
which
means
large
some
large-scale
events,
but
it
also
needs
to
serve
the
local
purpose
and
in
a
neighborhood,
surrounded
by
the
neighborhoods
of
Fort
York
Parkdale,
a
South
Etobicoke
Liberty
Village.
I
We
should
welcome
some
activation,
but
we've
got
to
be
very
careful
that
all
of
those
activations
are
serving
a
wider
purpose,
because
if
you
think
of
the
debate
that
we
got
into
around
some
of
the
more
recent
land
land
exchanges
around
Exhibition
Place,
you
start
to
question
whether
or
not
those
those
sets
of
values
and
goals
were
well
established,
because
there
was
clearly
a
a
strategic
plan
that
said
open
this
space
up
to
the
surrounding
community
for
activation.
But
at
the
same
time
we
built
we
built
buildings
that
were
very
inward
facing
now.
I
Mayor
Tory
was
involved
in
what
I
would
I
would
describe
as
a
good
process,
but
at
its
core
it
was
proposed
under
a
very
troubling
motive,
and
that
was
that
the
government
shouldn't
put
any
money
in
that
was
the
that
was
how
the
government
of
the
day
tied,
Mara
Tory's
hands,
and
so
we
couldn't
come
up
with
a
grand
vision
for
the
site.
We
we
couldn't
go
out
and
ask
the
public.
Well,
if
you
were
really
wanted
to
build
something
you
could
be
proud
of.
I
What
would
it
look
like
because
he
was
told
you
you
got
to
do
all
those
things,
but
you
can't
spend
any
money,
so
we
were
stuck
in
a
bad
place.
All
of
us
know
you
don't
get
something
for
nothing.
Although
many
of
us
think
we
can
build
transit
plans
based
on
no
financing
that
is
now.
We
all
know,
that's
in
fact
not
the
case,
so
I
would
urge
the
province
to
come
to
the
table
and
and
the
city
to
now
that
we've
extended
the
hand
to
remain
there
to
try
to
get
this
right.
N
R
A
point
of
order:
I
was
a
bit
sort
of
discombobulated.
I
got
up
to
speak
because
it
happened
so
quickly,
I'm
sure
there
was
going
to
be
questions
and
other
speakers
and
one
thing
I
didn't
spend
a
minute
on
I
just
want
to,
because
I
think
it's
worthwhile
I
talked
a
lot
about
cooperation
between
the
Terra
government
and
the
City
of
Toronto,
which
I
hope
is
going
to
be
something
that
will.
R
This
will
only
work
if
that
happens,
but
I
didn't
mention
the
cooperation
that's
taking
place
inside
the
city
and
I
mean
in
even
inside
this
council
that
includes
councillor
Grimes.
It
includes
councillor
crécy
and
the
members
of
his
subcommittee.
It
includes
the
city
staff
I
think
it
was
a
good
example
in
here
as
well.
The
reason
that
it
all
went
so
fast
is
because
there
was
so
much
time
spent
talking
back
and
forth
between
all
the
different
people.
R
We
brought
four
items
together
into
one
and
dealt
with
it
in
25
minutes,
and
some
people
may
say
we
didn't
take
enough
cares
because
there's
been
a
lot
of
care
and
time
taken
before
we
got
here
and
it's
a
model
and
I
just
want
to
thank
those
involved.
Councillor
Grimes
councillor
cressie,
the
members
of
his
subcommittee,
the
staff,
because
I
think
we've
got
a
blueprint
here
for
something
that
could
be
exciting
if
we
cooperate
well
with
the
other
government,
but
I
didn't
spend
enough
time
because
I
was
sort
of
not
I.
R
A
A
K
I'm
not
sure
if
this
is
appropriate,
but
unwanted,
firearms
and
I
believe
that's
the
program
that
we're
using
to
address
that
the
buyback
but
I'm
very
interested
in
what
it
would
take
to
have
any
legislation
that
would
allow
the
City
of
Toronto
to
discreetly
deal
with
handguns
within
our
own
boundaries
legally.
In
other
words,
rather
than
a
countrywide
ban,
that
we
would
have
an
ability
to
limit
or
ban
handguns
within
our
city
limits.
Q
K
H
K
C
K
S
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
Speaker.
Just
a
few
questions
with
respect
to
the
firearms
that
have
been
turned
in
as
part
of
the
BOD
that
program.
Can
someone
explain
to
me
what
types
are
there
and
who's
actually
turning
them
in?
Are
there
firearms
being
stored
in
people's
basements
been
around
for
thirty
years
and
they're
being
brought
in
or
this
is
our
firearms
being
brought
in
by
those
who
are
using
them?
Creating
the
carnage
and
the
challenges
that
we're
actually
having
in
the
city.
Q
Certainly
there
is
a
desire
to
particularly
collect
handguns
with
respect
to
who
is
turning
them
in
that
that
analysis
hasn't
been
completed.
The
program
concludes
this
Friday.
We
can
certainly
talk
with
Toronto
Police
Service
to
get
as
much
of
that
information
once
the
program
is
complete,
as
we
can
so.
S
So
these
handguns
that
and
I
realize
you
just
indicated
that
I
guess
more
analysis
has
got
to
be
done,
but
the
ones
that
have
been
turned
in
can
someone
help
me
to
understand
the
process
and
procedure
that
is
required
for
turning
them
in?
Is
it
that
they're
brought
to
a
station
and
then
they
are
dealt
with
or
we
don't
take
him
to
a
station?
The
police
will
go
to
your
home
and
or
maybe
meet
you
off-site
somewhere.
Can
someone
explain
how
that
particular
process
works
with.
Q
S
Then
this
will
be
so
there
there's
no
need
for
analysis
with
respect.
We
have
that
information
because,
as
you've
just
indicated,
we
have
that
information.
We
will
have
site
analysis.
So
then,
are
we
getting
to
the
root
cause
of
the
problem,
or
are
we
just
simply
saying
that
we
want
to
be
able
to
gather
and
remove
some
of
these
before
it
gets
into
the
hands
of
those
who
would
be
able
to
utilize
them
to
create
the
problems
that
we're
actually
trying
to
arrest
in
the
city?
This.
Q
S
Then
we
are
not
to
get
too
excited
with
respect
to
this
process.
I
mean
I'm
all
for
removing
guns
period,
but
I
think
that
some
of
the
challenges
that
we
see
in
the
city
and
the
expectation
of
the
public
should
we
then
perhaps
temper
that
a
bit
with
respect
to
that
process
in
terms
of
their
appreciation
or
understanding
and
I
asked
this
question,
because
those
are
some
of
the
questions
are
asked
by
members
of
public
of
me
in
terms
of
how
this
particular
program
will
work.
S
I
mean
I'm,
not
criticizing
the
program,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
say
establish
a
false
narrative
in
the
assumption
that
somehow
that
we're
removal
of
these,
as
you
say,
two
thirds
long
guns
and
one-third
handguns
that
are
not
being
used
for
criminal
activities.
That
creates
this
false
narrative
that
somehow
that
we're
resting
or
dealing
with
roblem
through.
Q
Q
Q
Q
M
Just
staff,
in
terms
of
your
discussions
with
the
police
and
being
involved
in
this
amnesty
program,
I
wonder
if
you
could
help
answer
a
question
anecdotally.
What
I
hear
on
the
street
is
that
there's
more
guns
than
ever
before
and
they're
easier
to
get
easier
to
rent
and
also
that
younger
people
are
seen
to
be
carrying
more
guns
than
they
had
before.
That's
again
anecdotally,
what
are
the
police
saying
about
the
proliferation
or
the
amount
of
guns
on
the
street,
as
relates
to
this
amnesty
program?.
Q
Through
the
speaker,
all
of
the
issues
you've
identified
are
of
concern
both
to
our
colleagues
in
Toronto,
Police
Service,
and
to
our
colleagues
in
the
city
who
work
with
communities
dealing
with
gun
violence.
I
would
be
happy
to
provide
a
report
after
the
program
is
concluded.
We
can
certainly
get
some
analysis
and
comment
from
Toronto
Police
Service
at
the
conclusion
of
the
program.
M
Yes-
and
the
second
question
I
have
is
in
terms
of
the
source
of
these
unlawful
handguns.
Usually
you
hear
a
lot
of
different
sort
of
explanations.
They
say
that
they're
being
smuggled
across
the
border,
they're
being
stolen
out
of
homes,
they're
being
transported
across
Canada.
Do
we
have
any
information
from
the
police
or
near
work
about
where
they're
all
coming
from.
Q
E
L
I
do
have
a
motion
that
I'd
like
to
put
it
up
please.
Basically,
what
I'm
looking
for
is
that
we
extend
this
to
June
17th
by
one
more
month,
and
we
asked
the
Toronto
Police
Services
Board.
In
order
to
to
look
at
it,
I
think
it's
a
good
initiative.
We
heard
that
there
were
1,500
guns
that
have
been
collected,
500,
handguns,
1,000
long
guns,
I,
think
that
goes
a
long
ways
in
protecting
our
citizens.
L
500
gun
handguns
are
especially
that
are
out
of
circulation
that
limits
the
amount
of
handguns
that
are
limited
to
criminals
in
order
to
to
commit
acts,
and
certainly
citizens
of
Toronto.
They
don't
want
those
handguns,
certainly
give
them
back.
So
I
would
recommend
that
we
extend
this
by
asking.
The
police
services
were
extended
by
one
month,
if
not
more
in
their
in
their
wisdom
and
for
us
to
continue
in
that
process
in
order
to
make
sure
that
handguns
come
off
the
street.
E
E
Yes,
I
have
no
one
else.
There's.
R
No
one
else:
well,
madam
Speaker.
First
of
all,
I
just
like
to
speak
for
a
moment
to
the
program
itself
and
what
we're
here
to
do
is
to
course
to
fund
the
program
as
it
as
it
has
been
proposed,
which,
with
the
time
limit
of
later
this
week
and
I,
think
it
has
been
successful
and
again.
I
know.
There's
been
a
great
deal
of
debate
about
this
I've
heard
it
as
I've
traveled
around
the
city
on
talk,
radio.
R
So
to
me,
the
notion
of
getting
these
I
think
it's
now
up
to
1,500
guns
before
the
program's
over
getting
them
out
of
the
community
and
into
the
hands
of
the
police
for
destruction
is
nothing
but
a
good
thing,
and
if
it
means
one
gun
doesn't
fall
into
the
hands
of
a
criminal
or
someone
who's
going
to
use
it
to
commit
a
criminal
act,
including
acts
of
domestic
violence.
Then
to
me,
that
is
a
program
well
worth
doing.
R
I
will
say
that
the
dates
for
the
program
were
quite
deliberately
selected
by
the
police
service,
and
you
have
to
rely
on
their
expertise
on
these
matters
as
to
sort
of
the
trying
to
think
of
the
right
word.
The
optimum,
a
period
of
time
during
which
to
have
the
public
participate
in
this.
As
you
might
expect,
the
numbers
of
the
guns
that
were
turned
in
had
an
initial
burst.
That
was
the
majority
of
the
1500.
It
has
slowed
down
during
that
period
of
time
and
I.
R
Think
I
can't
really
represent
their
views
here
today,
because
I
didn't
frankly
expect
to
be
a
motion
to
extend
the
program
which
carries
with
it
by
the
way
financial
consequences
as
well,
which
were
not
here
approving
today.
We're
here
only
to
approve
the
budget
for
the
project
as
it
was
contemplated
to
the
17th
of
May,
but
I
I
would
think
that
they
might
be
here
to
say
that
we'd
be
better
off
to
do
the
end.
R
I
will
vote
against
accounts,
thermogenesis
motion
and
rather
apply
my
own
efforts
to
try
to
convince
the
police
service
that
we
should
do
another
gun
buyback
sometime
in
the
future
when
we
get
another
fresh
start,
another
burst
of
publicity
and
another
round
of
guns
that
will
come
off
the
street,
because
I
believe
that
extending
it
another
month
in
this
instance
will
have
minimal
returns
and
that
is
based
in
part
on
some
discussions.
I've
had
with
the
Police
Service
at
the
instigation
or
at
the
the
beginning
of
this,
the
initial
initiation
of
this
particular
buyback.
E
Okay,
Thank
You,
Mara
Torre,
so
seeing
no
other
speakers
councillors,
we
have
before
us
first
emotion
a
request
from
councillor.
Cara
Janice
may
be
put
on
the
screen
to
request
the
police
board
to
extend
the
program,
seeing
no
requests
for
a
recorded
vote.
All
in
favor
up,
add
I,
hear
recorded
recorded
vote
all
in
favor.
A
E
Thank
you
councillors.
That
brings
us
to
page
3
audit
2.1,
moving
forward
together
opportunities
to
address
broader
city
priorities
in
Toronto,
Community
Housing,
Corporation,
revitalizations,
councillor
Fletcher,
you
held
it
I
understand
you
have
a
quick
release.
Unless
there
are
questions
of
staff
first,
seeing
no
questions
of
staff,
it
was.
We
were
just
going
to
dispense
with
this
item
so
that.
K
Spend
a
long
time
and
I
would
motion
is
to
city
council
request,
executive
director,
Housing,
Secretariat
and
consultation
with
create
geo
to
report
to
the
July
3rd
2019
meeting
of
the
Planning
Housing
Committee
on
any
options
for
city
building
objectives
that
may
be
included
on
red
revitalizations
that
have
yet
to
obtain
planning
approvals
and
that's
directly
from
the
Auditor
General's
recommendation
number
one
so,
but
just
see
what's
possible
before
we
close
everything
off
and
with
that
I
would
just
move
that
and
the
report.
Okay.
A
E
It's
one
simple
question:
madam
Speaker
and
I
apologize
because
I
wasn't,
this
may
have
been
asked
and
audit
I
wasn't
able
to
attend
that
meeting.
The
the
the
central
the
central
issue
here
is
is
in
requiring
an
installation
of
GPS
among
start
contracted
services,
and
then
it
appears
we
weren't
monitoring
it.
E
What
I'm
wondering
is
if,
in
the
course
of
the
audit,
anyone
wound
the
clock
all
the
way
back
to
when
it
was
first
proposed
that
we
do
that
when
it
was
first
proposed
to
us,
were
we
offered
a
project
that
would
have
included
the
Human
Resources
positions
to
properly
monitor
this?
Is
this
a
matter
of
bringing
forward
a
proposal
and
then
trimming
it
back
in
implementation?
Is
what
I'm
getting
at
so.
E
D
I
D
Work
is
already
underway
to
make
that
happen
in
the
next
several
months,
right
so
on
the
contractor
vehicles.
There
are
guidelines
that
we
have
in
place
around
managing
the
the
workload
of
those
contractors
and
double-checking
them.
The
GPS,
which
we
don't
have
real-time
access
to
is
used
as
that
foolproof
with
the
contractor.
If
we're
questioning
their
daily
logs
so
moving
forward
and
part
of
the
auditors
recommendations,
we
will
be
increasing
our
requirements
around
those
types
of
check
backs
specifically
using
the
GPS
moving.
D
E
So
the
question
is
this:
it
does
the
learning
extend
to
not
only
improving
this
program,
but
have
we
now
learned
if
we're
going
to
use
more
if
we're
going
to
add
a
more
technological
base
to
how
we
hold
contracted
services
accountable?
Are
we
learning
from
this
that,
when
we
first
devised
that,
when
we
first,
when
we
first
proposed
that
and
and
go
through
the
procurement
go
through
the
staffing
model
get
council
to
adopt
it
that
built
into
it
going
forward
from
the
get-go
from
implementation
built
into?
E
D
The
speaker-
that's
correct
and
I
should
also
mention
that
the
implementation
of
our
work
order
management
system,
which
is
happening
throughout
the
city,
will
be
implemented
in
approximately
one
year
in
all.
Forestry
is
the
first
roll
out
of
that
program,
where
the
type
of
GPS
monitoring,
you're
speaking
about,
will
be
part
of
that
more
automated
approach.
So
it
will
take
the
manual
work
away
from
staff
with
real-time
monitoring
of
those
contracts,
but.
E
A
J
You,
madam
Speaker
I,
think
my
first
question
is
to
mr.
patch
Locke
I
just
wondered
if
I
could
understand
a
little
bit
better
what
the
codified
requirements
are
of
managers
in
general
and
they
just
mean
managers,
the
whole
management
structure
and
people
to
look
after
and
oversee
work
is
regarding
contract
management.
We've
got
a
lot
of
contracts,
and
this
is
just
one
example
of
them
in
this
particular
audit.
J
C
The
speaker,
the
purchasing
by
law,
does
provide
for
provisions
that
set
out
that
division,
heads
and
and
the
project
leads
that
they
assign
to
manage
contracts
are
responsible
for
contract
management
and
I'm
sure
in
various
job
descriptions,
contract
management,
it's
included
as
job
descriptions
for
various
types
of
staff.
So.
J
I'll
make
the
observation
and
I
wonder
if
you
could
qualify
or
confirm
that,
but
a
general
government
and
licensing
committee.
We
do
often
get
reports
to
which
we
question
you
on
on
contracts
and
changes
to
contracts
and,
of
course,
that
audit
committee,
whether
there's
there's
a
few
of
them
on
this
particular
agenda,
and
we
see
them
often
on
contracts.
Would
it
be
fair
to
say
that
the
purchasing,
bylaw
and
perhaps
other
bylaws
are
important
and
applicable
to
the
life
of
these
contracts.
J
You
embark
on
a
procurement
project
with
any
division
or
any
department.
What
does
your
area
do
to
discuss
this
concept
of
the
requirement
for
contract
management
going
forward,
or
maybe
even
a
broader
question?
Is
it
considered
part
of
the
procurement
life
cycle
of
a
project
to
manage
it
once
it's
passed,
this
selection
of
a
vendor
stage.
C
Through
the
speaker
is
certainly
part
of
the
the
procurement
lifecycle,
as
part
of
the
process,
will
remind
divisions
of
their
responsibilities
to
manage
the
contracts.
Look
for
over
expenditures.
You
know
get
the
proper
approvals
in
advance.
We
don't
have
a
beyond
that.
We
don't
have
purchasing,
does
not
have
a
centralized
capacity
to
assist
divisions
in
doing
that,
but
we
we
are
trying
to
build
in
some
tools.
Ourselves
and
Jamie-
has
mentioned
tools
that
they're
trying
to
build
in
to
assist
their
ability
to
manage
contracts
better
to.
J
As
we
work
through
this
file
at
audit
committee,
this
particular
audit,
we
learned
a
lot
about
how
it
works
with
forestry
and
how
the
contracts
are
overseen,
how
the
work
is
divided,
but
perhaps
there's
still
our
questions
unanswered
or
concerns
out
there
and
I
mean
you
open
any
newspaper.
You
can
see
that
I
wondered
through
you
speaker,
you,
the
city
manager,
is
this
something
that
the
management
team
is
looking
at
and
not
just
about
this
file,
but
contracts
in
general
and
and
maybe
about
this
file?
J
C
Through
the
speaker,
you
were
call
councilor
when
we
were
presenting
the
budget
back
a
few
months
ago,
I
talked
about
the
need
for
the
Toronto
Public
Service
to
earn
counsel
in
this
community's
trust
and
confidence.
So
when
you
get
a
report
like
the
one
that
we
have
here
from
the
auditor,
it
starts
to
call
them
question
whether
or
not
we've
earned
the
in
confidence
when
you
have
these
kinds
of
problems
surface
so
that
to
say
that
Julie
and
I
have
in
fact
been
talking
about
this
particular
matter.
That's
been
brought
to
everyone's
attention.
C
There
is
a
deeper
dive
being
done
right
now
to
look
at
what
rules
were
followed.
What
rules
may
not
have
been
followed
as
carefully
as
they
should
have
been
we're
looking
at
it
from
both
a
you
know,
certainly
a
Toronto
Public
Service
standpoint,
but
also
from
the
contractor
responsibilities
as
well,
and
so
with
any
deep
dive.
I
expect
at
the
end,
they'll
be
findings
and
those
findings
will
result
in
measured
reactions
to
those
findings,
so
I'm
not
going
to
predict
what
it
is.
C
Obviously
that
we're
going
to
do
at
this
point
in
time,
but
you
know
I,
go
back
to
the
importance
of
earning
trust
and
confidence
of
this
council
in
this
community
and
that's
what
I'm
committed
to
doing
and
in
terms
of
the
broader
nature
of
contracts
and
our
responsibility
to
ensure
that
payments
don't
occur
until
the
work
has
been
proven.
That's
a
universal
requirement,
I.
C
K
D
Through
the
speaker,
the
requirements
on
contract
management
oversight
are
actually
more
than
the
oversight
on
the
same
city,
crews.
So
as
an
example,
there
is
a
requirement
for
our
Foreman
for
city
crews
to
visit
one
crew
per
week.
Sorry
there's
a
requirement
for
our
Foreman
for
PRP
to
to
visit
one
city
crew
per
week
as
a
site
visit.
The
requirement
is
to
contractor
crews
per
week
for
the
contractor,
so
the
oversight
requirements
are
actually
higher
than
with
city
crews,
with.
D
K
D
C
K
K
Couldn't
tie
to
city
trees,
so
I,
where
the
stop
was
correct,
I
mean
it's
one
thing
to
stop
at
a
coffee
shop.
You
know
that's
for
the
coffee,
but
on
a
street
address
a
residential
street
address
that
isn't
on
the
list.
Then
you
might
assume
that
that
is
not
a
city
tree
that
that's
a
private
tree,
correct.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
there
Thank
You.
O
C
A
C
They,
madam
Speaker,
they
told
them
away
from
the
area,
not
necessarily
completely
told
them
out
of
the
entire
district.
They
just
moved
them,
so
they
can
access
a
tree,
but
we
found
on
average
between
a
half
an
hour
and
three
and
a
half
hours
was
dedicated
to
that
time,
where
the
trees
couldn't
be
accessed.
O
D
O
D
The
speaker
we
are
following
through,
as
noted
in
the
in
our
response.
We
support
all
of
the
Auditor
General's
recommendations
in
this
report.
We
are
looking
at
the
implementation
right
now
of
GPS
for
all
forestry
crews
as
a
beginning,
and
we
will
be
consulting
with
our
bargaining
units,
but
that
consultation
has
not
taken
place
yet.
O
D
Through
the
speaker,
all
all
of
the
above,
we
are
our
first
recourse
is
to
be
meeting
with
our
vendors
around
the
results
of
the
Auditor
General's
report,
which
we've
already
begun.
Those
meetings
we
are
reviewing
all
of
the
logs
that
the
Auditor
General
brought
up
with
them
that
were
that
were
problematic
to
have
them
look
at
their
own
logs
to
make
some
comparisons,
and
certainly
our
intent
would
be
to
recover
any
overpayment
that
the
city
has
has
has
already
done
through
these
invoices.
So.
O
G
O
D
B
So
this
is
obviously
it
would
appear
that
we
have
companies
that
are
contracted
to
the
city
who
weren't
doing
the
job
they
were
supposed
to
do,
and
there
were
people
who
worked
for
the
city
who
were
supposed
to
be
supervising
them,
who
weren't
doing
the
job.
They
were
supposed
to
do,
and
that's
all
disturbing
and
embarrassing
and
that's
all
been
in
the
newspapers
and
I.
Think
most
people
know
that
story.
B
In
a
time
when
we
were
flatlining
a
lot
of
other
budgets,
we
said
here's
some
more
funding,
go
out
and
do
more
of
this,
so
I
think
both
the
public
and
the
provincial
government
can
feel
both
confident
and
in
the
case
of
the
latter,
perhaps
envious
that
we
do
have
a
system
in
place
that
finds
the
inefficiencies
and
has
a
effective
way
of
dealing
with
them.
So
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
to
the
mix.
Thank
you.
K
I
simply
want
to
note
that
in
some
parts
of
the
city,
when
there's
going
to
be
tree,
trimming
of
our
trees
that
are
in
our
right-of-way
the
night
before
there
are
signs
and
I've
seen
this
in
my
ward,
that
get
put
out
advising
everyone
that
tree
trimming
will
be
taking
place.
It
does
not
happen
across
the
entire
city.
Doesn't
happen
in
every
word.
I,
don't
know
what
triggers
that
or
how
you
get
that,
but
I
think
that
should
be
the
standard
practice,
because
hearing
that
crews
are
waiting
for
a
tow
truck.
K
That
just
seems
like
it's
a
tremendous
waste
of
time
and
money,
perhaps
there's
other
trees
that
are
close
by
one
could
trim
or
water,
but
there
needs
to
be
a
much
stronger
regimen
to
let
the
public
know
that
there
will
be
that
that
that
road
will
not
be
available
between
certain
hours
at
certain
times,
because
we
will
be
trimming
trees.
So
if
we
were
to
look
at
the
amount
of
money
that
we've
lost
that
way,
it's
probably
a
very
large
amount
of
money
and
I
do
think.
K
They
bless
you
that
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
use
their
permit
at
that
certain
time,
so
their
permit
parking
rights
will
be
taken
over
by
Greater
City
rights,
which
is
tree
trimming
so
I'm,
looking
at
the
general
manager
and
she's
nodding
her
head
that
this
is
a
practice
that,
along
with
all
the
other
recommendations
the
Auditor
General
was
made.
We
should
do
that
because
I
don't
think
that
was
in
a
strict
of
recommendation
as
it
could
have
been.
Thank
you.
D
A
You
on
the
on
the
next
item
is
on
page
4,
HL
6.3
service
agreements
awarded
and
executed
by
the
medical
officer
of
health
counselor
holiday.
You
held
the
item
down.
Do
we
have
questions?
A
L
H
H
H
L
C
C
E
C
C
L
So
well,
firstly,
just
from
a
report
writing
arrangement.
I
I,
don't
see
this
in
the
summary
I,
don't
see
this
in
the
financial
implications.
I
have
a
certain
level
of
concern
that
if
you're
and
I
don't
know
this
is
to
the
deputy
city
manager
or
the
city
manager
that,
if
you're
going
to
be
completely
transparent
and
if
you're
going
to
give
the
financial
analysis
that
we
should
start
from
the
original
contract
price
is.
C
C
L
So
this
is
not
sort
of
the
first
project
that
we
at
Union
Station
coming
up.
This
seems
to
be.
There
seems
to
be
reasons
on
many
different
capital
projects.
There
seems
to
be
different
reasons,
all
the
time
that
we're
running
over
budget-
and
this
is
not
new
to
this
chamber-
I
guess
my
question
is:
are
there
any
projects
that
we're
tracking
that
we
should
be
concerned
about
that
are
going
to
exhibit
significant
cost
overruns
that
we
know
about
right
now
through.
C
The
sort
of
speakers
of
projects
are
in
front
of
you,
deputy
mayor
I
mean
the
projects
that
are
in
front
of
you,
the
one
this
one
in
particular
in
the
Union
Station,
one
that
we're
gonna
be
talking
about
now.
I
just
want
to
say
that
there
are
links
in
this
report
that
actually
stipulates
some
of
the
changes
that
happen
throughout
2009
till
now.
We
will
take
your
message
around
the
financial
impact
piece
and
actually
put
it
in
there
from
now
on.
Oh
no.
E
Thanks,
madam
Speaker
I
I'm,
just
I
did
not
open
all
of
the
links
because
it
does
go
back
but
I'm
wondering
if
you
can
refresh
my
memory
on
how
the
cause
of
the
recoverable
debt
matrix
works.
There's
recoverable
debt
on
this
project.
That
was
there
from
the
very
beginning
that
that
was
sort
of
the
the
the
impetus
even
proceeded
at
all
was
starting
out
with
almost
40
million
in
recoverable
debt.
Where
is
that
recoverable
from.
L
Through
the
speaker,
the
recoverable
that
comes
from
I
guess
collapsing
of
leases
to
the
court
operations
that
are
occurring
and
leased
properties
they'll
be
moved
into
city-owned
space
additional
revenues
that
will
be
generated
through
the
parking
facility
beneath
the
building,
as
well
as
rental
of
units
and
and
different
events.
There
will
be
held
in
North,
Market
building,
okay,.
E
E
Can
we
look
at
this
as
saying
it's
recoverable
debt,
but
over
a
longer
period
of
time,
for
it's
a
different
amount
of
money,
or
is
that
number
does
that
number
have
to
be
static,
we're
talking
about
there's
40
million
and
that
there's
only
ever
been
40
million
39.7
impact,
and
then
there
there's
all.
There
was
also
a
cash
contribution
from
TPA,
but
that
recoverable
amount
has
never
changed.
Even
though
this
is
going
up.
Is
there
the
possibility?
Would
it
be
appropriate
that
we
could
also
look
at
at
the
end
of
the
day?
L
We
did
through
the
speaker,
we
did
revisit
the
business
case
to
ensure
that
the
recoverable
debt
amounts
would
stay
true
and
they
will.
The
incremental
budget
ask,
is
being
funded
through
an
alternate
alternate
sources
which
is
debt
funding,
so
not
the
recoverable
portion.
So
when
we
revisited
the
business
case,
there
wasn't
any
more
room
for
recoverable
debt
funding,
which
is
why
we
have
to
look
at
other
sources
and.
E
The
portion
of
that
this
parking
revenue
are
we
committed
to
that
at
a
certain
rate
in
a
certain
amount
from
from
TPA
or
the
fact
that
this
was
really
the
first
conversation
on
this
was
back
in
2008,
2009
and
then
and-
and
a
lot
has
happened
since
then,
and
we
have
many
times
increased
their
their
rates.
Is
it
a
matter
of
whatever
we're
collecting
at
in
there
a
certain
percentage
will
go
to
recoverable
debt
or
or
how
does
that
play
out
through.
L
The
speaker,
you
referred
to
the
two-streams,
the
cash
contribution
and
the
recoverable
debt,
the
recoverable.
That
portion
is
driven
by
the
the
contributions
that
that
are
provided
to
the
city
from
TPA
on
an
on
an
annual
basis
through
operating
so
those
ones
through
the
review.
The
revisit
of
the
business
case
won't
change.
We
are
in
discussion.
L
And
and
we've
been
in
conversations
with
TPA
about
additional
contributions
to
the
project
as
a
whole,
given
some
of
the
items
that
you
referenced
in
terms
of
rate
changes,
market
changes
and
whatnot,
so
we
are
having
those
conversations
and
I
believe
we
may
may
have
made
reference
to
that
in
a
report
should
should
any
additional
contributions
come
and
they
would
obviously
offset
any
additional
debt
that
we
put
towards
the
project.
Okay,.
G
Much
madam
Speaker
and
through
you
to
staff.
How
long
has
this
project
been
on
the
books
for
the
City
of
Toronto?
When,
when
that
the
earliest
conversations
begin
about
the
revitalization
of
the
North
Market.
G
H
Lawrence
Market
North
in
in
2009,
based
on
the
input
from
the
community
and
staff
council
approved
a
a
design,
competition
global
design,
competition
in
2010
that
was
awarded
2011.
The
contract
was
awarded
to
the
design
firm
in
2011
2000
scuse
me
through
2013
design,
was
underway
on
the
st.
Lawrence
Market,
but
as
well
as
we
were
designing,
also
and
building
the
the
temporary
market
to
the
south
of
the
South
Market
in
2007.
We
are
sorry
17.
We
started
the
excavation
and
remediation
archeological
works.
H
G
L
G
And
so
there
is
a
different
team
of
individuals
that
have
to
come
in
to
assess
the
site
to
to
determine
what
is
the
appropriate
treatment
of
those
artifacts
and
then
how
long
did
that
take
from
the
finding
of
the
art
art
of
the
stage
for
sort
of
kickoff
of
the
art
archeological
assessment
to
when
you
got
permission
to
proceed
with
the
normal
order
of
construction?
How
long?
How
long
was
that
hesitation
gap
approximately.
G
About
two
years
about
to
meet
you,
and
and
during
those
two
years,
the
the
contractor
that
was
awarded
the
the
the
contract-
sorry,
the
tender,
what
what
happened
to
that
particular
contractor?
Did
we
stay
with
them?
The
chain
I
mean
obviously
before
us.
We've
got
some
changes
here.
Tell
us
that
backstory
here.
H
Through
the
chair,
the
the
contractor
that
was
awarded
the
contract
could
not,
as
stated
in
the
report,
could
not
obtain
the
the
bonding
required
to
undertake
the
project.
Therefore,
based
on
the
city's
procurement
policies,
the
award
was
rescinded
and
the
tender
was
cancelled
and
then
we
had
to
go
back
to
do
a
pre-qualification
and
back
to
market
and.
G
G
A
You,
okay
speakers,
deputy
mayor,
minam
Wan,
you
held
the
item
down.
G
Very
much
madam
Speaker
and
I
do
support
the
the
recommendations
that
came
from
staff.
This
is
a
very
important
project
that
was
also
acknowledged
by
the
committee.
I
know
that
the
members
of
the
st.
Lawrence
community
have
been
waiting
in
some
cases
for
since
the
1990s,
although
formal
discussions
began
in
the
city
in
2002,
but
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
sort
of
pull
ourselves
back
from
this
discussion
and
think
about
this
as
a
city
building
project.
This
is
not
simply
just
a
farmers
market.
G
This
is
very,
very
much
it's
a
much
higher
magnitude
of
a
city
building
component
that
we
need
to
think
of,
but
the
same
Lawrence
Market
has
been
noted
for
its
it's
world-class
high
caliber
experience
for
those
who
are
visitors
and
and
tourists
alike,
and
and
we
have
an
opportunity
what
I
would
call
once
in
a
generation
opportunity
to
actually
make
it
right,
and
we
know
that
there's
been
long
term
planning
discussions
of
how
to
to
ensure
that
the
st.
Lawrence
neighborhood,
which
is
part
of
the
downtown
fabric
which
is
really
part
of
Toronto.
G
G
That's
the
one
we're
compelled
to
take,
but
if
the
contractor
can't
finish
the
job
for
whatever
reason,
guess
what
we've
now
got
to
use
more
time,
more
energy
and
more
money
as
we
go
off
and
tender
again
in
the
broils
of
all
of
this,
we
also
saw
massive
trade
wars
and
the
rising
cost
of
construction.
You
heard
from
staff.
This
project
is
now
17
years
in
the
making.
G
All
of
that
in
I
have
myself
been
digging
I'm,
not
personally
digging,
but
we
actually
built
a
playground
in
Allan
Gardens
and
we
hit
some
artifacts
what
started
off
as
a
one-and-a-half
year,
probably
construction
period,
to
end
up
being
a
four
year
project
and
it
costs
more
while
we
waited
for
the
province
to
come
back
and
give
us
approval
to
continue
the
construction,
so
this
happens
and
I
think
that
we're
getting
to
the
final
stages
of
getting
this
done.
I
think
this
is
a
very
exciting
project
for
everyone
in
Toronto,
st.
G
Lawrence
Market
remains
a
dynamic
and
world-class
neighborhood
that
we
should
all
be
proud
of,
and
this
is
another
piece
in
all
the
different
components,
especially
in
the
old
part
of
Toronto,
where,
when
you
come
to
to
the
city,
you've
got
to
come
in
and
visit
here.
This
is
very
exciting,
with
the
new
courthouse,
with
all
the
different
components
coming
in,
you
know,
I
say
to
stuff.
You
know
speed
ahead.
Let's
get
this
done
for
the
community.
G
That's
been
waiting
for
locally
they've,
been
waiting
for
a
very
long
time
for
everybody
else,
who's
actually
now
seeing
the
the
whole
in
India
in
the
site
in
st.
Lawrence
Market.
Even
if
you
don't
live
there,
you
want
this
project
complete
and
I.
Think
that's
what
we
have
to
do
deliver
the
very
best
outcome
for
the
residents
of
Toronto,
something
that
we
can
be
proud
of
right
across
the
city.
So
thank
you.
D
Cancel
Perutz
please.
A
A
I
Can
bike
training
program
to
half
a
day
similar
to
the
cities
G
permit
program
for
monitor
for
operating
a
motor
vehicle?
This
originated
with
what
is
seen
now
as
a
widespread
push
to
try
to
get
low-carbon,
active
transportation
options
for
service
vehicles.
We
know
that
purolator
FedEx,
Canada
Post,
are
all
looking
at
these
for
use.
Citywide
the
Genesis,
for
this
was
a
letter
that
I
wrote
last
term
that
was
actually
connected
to
something
the
City
of
Edmonton
was
doing
and
I
thought
it
was.
I
Think
taking
a
look
at
the
city's
use
of
cargo
bikes
in
some
of
our
larger
parks.
You
want
to
have
a
small
one.
If
you
had
one
in
a
large
parks
to
help
employees
move
stuff
around,
not
all
employees
will
be
able
to
benefit
from
this
program.
Not
all
parks
will
be
able
to
benefit.
It's
not
in
my
word.
I
would
much
prefer
it
be
at
Christie
Pitzer
journey
by
woods,
so
I
would
see
it
see
them
more
frequently,
but
I'll
take
staff
as
vited
vice
on
this.
I
The
one
point
that
I
think
staff
needed
a
bit
more
direction
on,
and
staff
from
fleet
helped
me
with
this.
Is
there
was
a
requirement
for
city
staff
that
to
use
bikes
in
the
city
to
you
to
be
can
bike
certified?
You
can
bike
certified
it's
a
good
certification,
but
it
takes
three
days.
You
can
get
a
city
license
to
operate
a
vehicle
in
a
couple
of
hours,
so,
while
I
think
it's
important,
can
bike
is
an
incredibly
important
training
program.
I
I
wouldn't
want
the
the
pilot
to
be
two
to
two,
unfortunately,
probably
not
succeed,
simply
because
no
one
could
use
the
bike,
and
so
I
would
prefer
and
I've
reached
out
to
the
locals
to
see
what
their
thoughts
might
be.
I
don't
want
to
prescribe
it
here
to
waive
it.
I
would
prefer
us,
have
a
collaborative
relationship
with
them
and
to
see,
if
something's
possible,
to
to
lower
the
bar.
For
for
this
pilot
to
to
potentially
succeed.
Thank
you.
L
I
Not
and
that's
why
it's
their
request
is
really
to
consider.
I
didn't
want
to
prescribe
it
because
we
weren't,
we
weren't
that
we
were
pretty
far
along
with
a
pilot.
I,
don't
want
to
send
it
back.
I
would
like
to
see
it
happen
and
I
think
that,
given
the
the
relationship
we
have
with
79
and
401
6,
if
we
can
make
some
consideration
based
on
the
contract
great,
if
we
can't
then
I'm
prepared
to
just
let
it
die
at
the
stop
level,
would.
L
M
I
Sounds
good,
thank
you
so
that
it
would
read
City
Council
requests
the
general
manager
I'm
just
reading
it
back
for
the
for
the
clerk's
fleet
services
and
the
general
manager
parks,
forestry,
recreation,
with
the
agreement
of
locals.
Seventy
nine
and
four
one.
Six
with
consultation
and
agreement.
Sure.
E
A
Okay,
so
we
have
the
motion
by
councillor
Layton
on
favor
carried
item
as
amended
on
favor
Carrie,
page
five
ph
5.1
the
right
to
adequate
housing,
counselor
wong
tim,
you
held
the
item
down.
Questions
are
stopped,
no
just
to
speak.
Does
anybody
have
any
questions
to
staff,
we're
planning
and
housing.
G
Just
to
speak,
yes,
thank
you
very
much,
madam
Speaker
I
want
to
rise
and
and
and
and
just
acknowledge,
the
good
work.
That's
actually
happening
in
planning
and
Housing
Committee,
led
by
our
esteemed
chair
councilor,
by
Lao
deputy
mayor
by
allow
should
say
it
was
a
very,
very
good
meeting
as
councilor
as
deputy
mayor
by
Lao
has
has
data
earlier,
as
she
introduced
the
the
minutes
of
our
meeting.
Not
only
did
we
have
lolani
farha,
who
is
the
UN
Rapporteur
on
adequate
housing
appear
before
us.
G
That
was
also
the
same
week
as
the
launch
of
a
very
important
documentary
called
the
push
that
really
helped.
I
highlight
how
housing
can
be
reap
repositioned
in
all
our
legislative
framework
and
all
our
planning
documents
and
how
we
develop
policies
with
a
rights-based
approach
and
and
I
think
she
really
helped
demystify
what
that
means
for
the
committee
and
I
think.
Certainly
the
staff
that
were
that
were
present
also
learned.
A
few
things
what's
also
important
is
that
that
film
was
was
received
with
great
acclaim.
G
I
think
that
there
really
does
help
explain
a
number
of
things
that
are
happening
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
including
the
housing
crisis,
one
of
the
the
components
of
her
film.
That
is
absolutely
critical
for
us
to
to
to
understand
and
it'll
help
us
understand
why
we
are
in
the
throes
of
this
housing
crisis.
Is
this
rampant
global
commodified
commodification
of
housing?
It
is
no
longer
just
a
a
speculator
here
there
or
perhaps
the
local
developer.
G
These
are
mass
of
investment
trusts
that
are
coming
in
and
the
capital
is
global,
they
know
no
boundaries
and
they
are
literally
coming
into
neighborhoods
such
as
Parkdale
and
other
areas
and
they're
gobbling
up
what
they
see
as
underperforming
assets,
and
this
is
all
happening
under
our
nose.
And
so
while
we
have
pressures-
and
we
are
seeing
the
shelter's
full
and
we're
seeing
the
the
number
of
people
struggling
and
and
and
panicking
for
affordable
housing,
we
need
to
rethink
how
we
are
going
to
build
the
next
ten-year
housing
plan
and
I.
G
Think
that
the
way
we
need
to
do
that
is
exactly
as
as
it
is
now
being
proposed
in
New,
York,
City
and
Barcelona
and
other
world-class
cities,
and-
and
this
is
also
happening
at
the
federal
level,
the
national
government
has
adopt
a
human
rights
approach
to
housing.
They
have
signed
on
to
international
agreements
that
this
is
how
we
should
actually
position
the
policy
and
of
thinking
in
the
building
of
housing
in
Canada.
G
All
of
that
means
is
that,
when
those
monies
are
available
for
grants,
we
need
to
as
a
sub-national
government
municipalities
as
well
as
provinces
start
to
position
our
thinking
and
our
policies.
The
way
the
federal
government
has,
and
so
that's
a
really
good
good
sign,
because
I
think
that
there
is
hope
there
is
a
way
for
us
to
to
not
just
build
our
way
out
of
it,
because
that's
actually
not
going
to
work.
Clearly,
it's
been.
G
So
this
to
me
is
a
very
important
pivotal
point
in
our
discussion
and
I'm
extremely
proud
of
the
committee's
work
and
approach
to
positioning
housing
as
a
right
and
I.
Think
that
when
we
go
out
to
public
consultation,
which
is
already
happening,
let
Shawn
garden
and
the
deputy
mayor
I
think.
What
we
need
to
do
is
make
sure
that
when
the
report
comes
back
and
the
recommendations
come
back,
we
have
to
rethink
and
reposition
housing
as
a
right.
G
G
And
if
that
means
people
need
supportive
housing
and
the
rooming
houses
we
have
to
have
the
widest
range
of
affordable
housing
and
I
also
think
that
we
need
to
redefine
what
affordability
is
and
when
it,
when
it
pertains
to
housing
in
Toronto,
it
has
to
be
indexed
indexed
and
marked
to
people's
actual
incomes
and
not
necessarily
to
the
average
market
rent.
Those
two
shifts
alone
will
make
a
huge
difference.
Thank
you
very
much.
P
You
speaker,
a
time
is
gonna
come
when
we
look
back
on
this
day
and
are
really
really
proud
of
ourselves.
I
want
to
begin
by
acknowledging
the
role
that
councillor
bylaw
took
on
this
in
her
under
capacity
as
chair
of
the
Planning
and
Housing
Committee,
inviting
in
the
UN
Special
Rapporteur
gave
all
of
us
on
the
planning
and
Housing
Committee
new
insight
into
why
the
affordability
crisis
is
happening
in
the
city
of
Toronto
she's.
P
Going
to
tell
you
a
couple
of
very
quick
stories
about
things
going
on
in
my
ward,
many
of
you
will
have
heard
me
talk
about
the
wind
group,
one
of
the
most
difficult
awful
landlords
in
the
City
of
Toronto
and
what
they
had
done
is
basically
cashed
out
the
building's
they
were
in.
They
had
run
them
down
stopped
reinvesting.
We
recently
had
to
go
in
with
the
TSSAA
and
and
the
fire
chief
and
turn
off
the
electrical
systems
for
1,500
people,
because
they
had
run
it
into
the
ground.
We
know
what
they
did.
P
They
looked
around
the
world
and
they
said
it's
easy
to
move
big
sums
of
capital
around.
They
took
all
their
money
out
of
Toronto
and
went
and
bought
up
a
bunch
of
buildings
in
Buffalo
and
that
in
western
New,
York
and
they're
gonna
cash
cow
those
and
what
came
in
after
them
is
a
different
firm
that
has
a
different
model
is
called
Timber
Creek.
What
Timber
Creek
does
is
actually
talk
about
this.
They
wash
assets,
which
means
they
come
in.
They
buy
in
under
invested
housing.
Put
in
some
money,
upgrade
it
a
bit.
P
P
It's
half
of
where
these
large
financial
entities,
these
real
estate
income
trusts-
and
you
know
in
financial
instruments
that
that
bundle
mortgages
they're
all
recognizing
that
a
way
to
make
a
quick
return
is
to
inflate
local
real
estate
prices
and
that
more
than
any
issue
having
to
do
with
supply
is
why
we
have
an
affordable
housing
crisis
in
the
City
of
Toronto
and
as
we
move
towards
November,
when
we
have
our
new
housing
opportunities
plan.
Mr.
P
Godin
and
his
team
are
beavering
away
at
diligently,
I'm
sure
we
today,
we
will
give
a
direction
to
them
saying
when
you
design
our
housing
program,
be
mindful
of
these
issues.
Remember
housing
isn't
like
buying
potato
chips,
it's
one
of
the
necessities
of
life
and
our
housing.
The
system
has
to
be
designed
to
reflect
that.
So
congratulations
to
councilor
by
Lao
and
all
the
members
of
Planning
in
growth
committee
for
bringing
this
to
us
and
I
hope.
We
get
a
very
strong
vote
in
favour.
A
A
G
Thank
you
very
much.
Ma'am
Speaker
I
rise
again
in
support
of
this.
This
particular
report
and
I
wanted
to
set
a
few
things
straight
out
in
the
in
the
general
public
there
were.
There
was
a
there
was
announcement
by
the
the
Ford
government
on
April
29th
as
asset
a
before
they.
They
basically
announced
the
fact
that
they're
also
bringing
back
the
OMB
and
at
that
point
in
time
they
they
said.
Look.
G
G
That
was
not
mentioned
in
their
press
announcement
earlier
this
this
April,
what
they
also
didn't
mention
and
I
think
I
need
to
say
this
is
that
my
local
community
and
I
now
share
this
with
a
counselor
laden.
The
Bay
Clover
Hill,
Community
Association
worked
so
hard
for
years.
This
affluent
community
worked
hard
with
myself.
We
went
to
go
infrastructure,
we
went
to
visit
infrastructure
Ontario,
we
wrote
letters
to
different
ministers
of
Municipal,
Affairs
and
housing.
G
We
wrote
letters
to
the
premier
at
that
time,
and
we
said
we
know
that
you
have
this
parcel
of
land,
that's
held
by
infrastructure
Ontario,
and
we
want
you
to
not
just
sell
it
off
to
the
highest
and
you
spitter.
So,
therefore,
we
don't
necessarily
need
more
condominiums
on
Bay
Street.
What
we
need
is
some
form
of
affordable
housing.
We
need
green
space
and
we
want
to
work
with
you
to
their
great
credit.
G
They
don't
generally
do
this,
but
to
their
great
credit,
they
listen
and
they
were
shifting
their
policies
around
to
make
sure
that
when
they
unlocked
government-owned
land,
just
as
we
are
doing
now,
when
they
unlock
government-owned
land,
they
were
going
to
make
sure
that
it
had
some
city
building
components
and
it
was
going
to
meet
their
priorities.
And
so,
even
though
it
was
not
said
at
the
at
the
fort
announcement,
April
29,
2009,
teen
I,
need
to
say
it
today.
G
I
want
to
thank
then
premier,
Wynne
and
her
government
for
listening
and
responding
to
the
local
community.
I
want
to
thank
the
officials
at
infrastructure
Ontario
who
worked
with
our
office
as
well
as
the
office
of
councillor
Bilal,
as
well
as
the
Affordable
Housing
Committee,
as
well
as
the
director
of
affordable
housing,
our
office
here
to
make
sure
that
they
heard
the
the
request
of
the
local
community.
I
also
want
to
thank
the
Bay
Clover
Hill
Community
Association,
because
they
were
quite
visionary.
G
They
got
in
front
of
this
project
and
said
they
needed
to
see
affordable
housing,
their
community,
that
it
cannot
just
be
only
market
condominiums.
So
that
was
not
said
in
April,
2000
and
19,
but
I
felt
that
it's
important
for
council,
as
they
approve
this
project,
to
really
understand
who
got
behind
all
of
that
and
and
it
took
a
long
time,
but
it
was
truly
a
good
news
story
and
I
really
wish
that
the
the
announcement
actually
included
all
those
particular
actors,
those
political
actors
and
community
actors
that
really
made
this
happen.
A
J
Looking
to
see
who's
here,
that
might
be
able
to
behind
me
mister
okay
grant
is
there.
Thank
you
for
your
report
on
this.
The
report
gets
into
a
couple
of
major
basic
themes.
I'll
give
you
a
second
get
in
your
spot
there,
but
if
I've
got
it
right,
it
talks
a
lot
about
maintenance
standards,
electrical
maintenance
standards
and
then
some
plans
and
communication
plans
and
contact
lists
would
I
be
correct
in
summarizing
that
it's,
the
basic
nature
of
your
report
gives
Council.
T
J
I
think
I
remember.
The
council
debate
was
around
here
about
a
contact
list.
You
know
just
a
simple
list
of
who
lives
where
and
who
might
need
help
evacuating
that
type
of
thing
you
had
some
recommendations
in
your
report.
I
think
there
were
four
of
them.
There
was
a
number
of
additional
recommendations,
added
that
the
committee
were
those
something
that
were
that
came
out
of
the
report
or
developed
by
you
or
are
they
something
that
was
just
the
genesis
was
at
the
committee,
the.
T
J
This
is
just
a
general
landlord
question,
some
of
the
requirements
that
were
contained
in
the
list
for
you
to
examine
some
of
the
additionals
that
we're
at
at
the
committee
were
things
like
the
landlord
providing
temporary
accommodation.
If
there
was
an
evacuee,
raishin
or
disruption,
bottled
water,
food,
snacks,
blankets,
all
of
those
kinds
of
things
is
there:
do
we
have
any
laws
or
there
any
any
examples
of
this
this
level
of
service
that
we
would
look
to
a
landlord
to
provide
so.
T
This
is
a
report
request,
so
we
are
looking
into
all
these
things
and
if
we
agree
with
things
we'll
bring
them
forward,
if
we
disagree,
we
will
say
why
there
are
an
emergency
preparedness
that
all
of
us
are
responsible
for
in
our
own
lives
in
our
own
homes,
that
is
by
our
own
Office
of
Emergency
Management
and
there's
also
the
Residential
Tenancies
Act.
So
there
are
a
couple
different
pieces
of
legislation
that
that
guide
us
and
we
will
report
back
on
the
feasibility
of
those
and
if
they
are
too
onerous,
we
will
make
that
comment.
T
J
Happens
according
to
the
way
this
is
written,
I
mean
what
happens
if
there's
a
general
power
outage
in
the
area,
but
I'd
be
correct
in
interpreting.
The
asks
of
the
committee
of
the
landlords
on
this
report
request
is
that
you
know
the
landlord
needs
to
step
in
and
start
taking
additional
roles
and
have
you
had
any
feedback
from
the
landlord
community
about
providing
those
level
of
services.
T
We
have
yes,
it
will
be
challenging.
We
need
to
understand
what
that
impact
is
and
work
with
them.
But
again
we
also
have
to
look
at
again
each
individual,
what
you
have
to
be
responsible
for
in
the
first
72
hours
there
there
are
some
pieces
that
we
can
bring
forward
as
educational
pieces
in
our
next
report.
J
Would
it
be
fair
to
say
that
there
are
different
circumstances
when
things
unfold?
Sometimes
there
are
issues
that
happen
inside
a
building,
and
you
know
you
can
trace
it
back.
You
might
even
be
able
to
blame
the
landlord
for
the
unfolding
of
a
situation
that
causes
the
building
power
to
be
shut
off
or
a
fire
or
such,
but
there's
other
situations.
That
really
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
landlord,
or
maybe
it's
just
truly
an
accident
where
there's
a
fire
or
something
in
a
building.
J
Are
there
any
other
cases,
and/or
examples
in
history
where,
where
governments
place
the
onus
on
the
landlord
to
deal
with
all
the
circumstances
and
and
how
would
they
fare,
how
could
they
you
know,
bank
money
to
pay
for
the
temporary
accommodations
or
you
know,
stockpile
emergency
supplies
and
where
would
they
keep
it
eat?
Do
we
have
any
precedent
of
that
I
can't.
T
Think
of
a
specific
example:
there
there
may
be
I,
so
I
can't
reference
one
specifically.
It
is
something
we
will
look
at.
It
is
a
significant
cost
and
the
feasibility
of
doing
this
again
is
the
body
of
work
that
we're
taking
a
way
to
look
at
and
to
understand
the
impacts
on
landlords.
But
it's
also.
We
also
want
the
tenants
to
have
again
the
appropriate
housing.
The.
J
Last
question:
presumably
there's
cost
to
do
all
this
I
mean
you
could
look
at
what
private
insurance
costs
for
a
tenant
to
give
you
some
concept
of
you
know
the
level
of
risk
and
what
it
would
case
take
to
carry
that
risk.
Is
there
mechanisms
in
any
of
our
policies
here
for
landlords
to
pass
these
costs
on
to
the
tenants
who
you
know
effectively
they're
insuring
through
these
type
of
plans
and
mechanisms
and
requirements
in
place
or
do
the
landlord's
have
to
absorb
that
and
how
could
they
ever
recover
those
costs
so.
T
S
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
Speaker.
Through
you
to
staff,
you
would
agree
that
vital
services
and
statistics
and
information,
and
so
on
would
be
required
not
just
simply
for
landlords
and
property
renters
and
so
on.
Absolutely
yes,
right
so
and
I
realized
the
theme
of
this
with
respect
to
you
know,
apartment
buildings
and
rental,
and
so
on,
but
I
wanted
to
examine,
perhaps
a
bigger
picture.
We
had
the
the
ice
storm
a
few
years
ago.
S
There
were
many
people
in
their
homes
that
needed
services,
and/or
needed
assistance,
but
we
as
a
city,
we
don't
have
any
type
of
information
that
helps
us
to
understand.
For
example,
a
senior
who
lives
alone
and
isn't
able
to
get
out,
doesn't
Drive
and
no
electricity,
no
power
water
wasn't
running,
or
what
have
you
I'm
just
wondering
whether
or
not
we
shouldn't
be
looking
at
this
in
a
much
more
wholesome,
a
larger
way
for
the
city
to
deal
with
some
of
these
issues?
T
S
Oh
I
appreciate
that
so
I
just
wanted
to
see,
and
so
recognizing
what
this
is
and,
and
so,
if
I
were
to
bring
a
motion
and
I
think
it'd
probably
be
a
members
notice
of
motion
dealing
with
this
broader
perspective.
Was
we
thinking
about
it
for
some
time?
I
just
wanted
to
get
your
perspective,
though,
in
terms
of
whether
or
not
you
think
that
the
city
should
be
doing
more,
to
ensure
that
we
understand
who,
in
our
respective
wards
and
neighborhoods,
would
need
specific
assistance
during
times
of
major
emergencies
at.
T
The
last
council
meeting
when
this
was
brought
up,
it
was
determined
that
it
should
be
a
voluntary
list,
not
mandatory,
so
people
do
have
the
right
to
their
own
privacy
and
whether
they
share
that
they
are
vulnerable
or
not.
But
I
think
it
is
important
that
we
help
people
and
but
we
need
to
understand
what
that,
what
the
scope
of
that
is
well.
T
S
T
S
T
T
A
C
C
C
T
C
The
long
list
of
issues
that
you
were
asked
to
look
at
it
was
actually
provided
by
a
member
of
the
committee
that
experienced
this
a
scenario
and
it's
just
a
long
list
of
things
that
have
been
asked
that
would
have
been
compiled
and
asked
you
to
look
at
it.
So
it's
based
on
experience
based
of
what
the
community
needed
and
a
request
for
you
to
look
at
the
many
issues
that
arise
during
these
situations.
That's.
T
T
C
C
The
other
thing
that
we're
doing
as
well
is
to
actually
prevent
the
risk
or
minimize
the
risk
for
the
city,
because
this
could
go
into
millions
of
dollars
that
the
city
has
to
provide
of
assistance
if
we
don't
work
with
landlords
and
tenants
to
not
only
maintain
our
buildings
but
have
plans
in
case
this
situation
does
arise.
Correct.
That's.
T
J
We've
talked
a
lot
about
smaller
landlords
and
some
of
the
other
council
policies,
but
there
are
the
larger
buildings
and
medium-sized
buildings
may
be
contemplated
by
this
policy.
I
just
find
it's
a
little
bit
much
to
ask
landlords
to
begin
to
play
the
role
of
ensuring
or
or
taking
on
responsibilities
that
traditionally
fall
to
the
tenants
and,
specifically
in
here,
there's
things
about
providing
food,
providing
blankets
paying
for
hotel
accommodations
and
the
like.
J
There
are
some
very
good
things
mixed
into
the
the
motions:
please
don't
take
it
that
they're
all
about
I,
just
find
that
those
are
a
fairly
high
bar
and
for
the
same
reason
that
I
don't
think
it's
palatable
for
this
council
to
mandate
that
every
tenant
carry
insurance
on
the
contents
of
their
apartments.
That
would
handle
this
type
of
a
situation.
I'm,
not
sure
we
should
force
that
down
onto
the
landlords,
because,
ultimately
somebody
has
to
pay
for
it
and
ultimately,
that's
probably
the
tenants
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
realize
it's.
J
A
report
requests
in
you
know.
Mls
is
going
to
look
at
this
and
look
at
a
lot
of
the
heavy
communications
and
lists
and
things
that
we
have
asked
them
to
look
at
on
this.
But
just
sending
the
signal
from
Council
I
think
is
one
that
we
should
be
aware
of.
I'm
sure
there
are
landlords
watching
this
and
are
adding
that
to
their
column
of
decisions
that
they're
trying
to
make
when
trying
to
choose
the
tenure
of
their
next
project,
whether
it
be
condominium
or
apartment,
building.
I
just
want
to
be
careful.
J
The
standards
that
we're
asking
them
to
live
up
to,
they
all
translate
to
costs
I'm,
not
sure
they
are
always
there
and
ready
to
be
available
when
the
situation
occurs
and
even
the
way
this
is
written.
There
could
be
a
civil
disruption
of
power
or
energy,
and
we
know
from
the
advertising
from
the
Government
of
Canada
we're
all
supposed
to
be
resilient
ourselves
for
72
hours
as
mr.
J
grant
brought
up
so
even
sending
the
message
that
we're
going
to
transfer
that
responsibility
to
somebody
else
and
look
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
it
anymore,
I
think,
is
heading
down
the
wrong
path
and
perhaps
is
even
counter
to
the
spirit
of
emergency
preparedness.
So
for
that
reason,
I'm
just
gonna
ask
that
those
two
sub
components
be
separated
out.
I
can't
support
those
I
can
support
the
the
balance
of
the
report
and
the
recommendations
coming
forward.
J
G
G
What
we
learned
was
that
we
were
just
weren't
ready
and
it's
not
about
necessarily
making
the
landlord
do
everything,
but
what
we
weren't
ready
for
was
the
landlord
just
that
didn't
know
what
to
do
and
and
that
same
property
owner
I
had
another
property
at
260
Wellesley,
where
the
building
went,
dark
and
I
know
that
you
know.
Mara
Tori
was
out
there
in
in
the
evening.
G
I
was
out
there
in
the
evening,
as
well
as
an
incredible
number
of
first
responders,
trying
to
make
sense
of
the
absolute
chaos
and
once
again,
that
same
property
owner
the
same
one,
the
one
that
didn't
do
well
with
the
emergency
planning
for
for
650
Parliament,
you
figure
that
they
would
have
learned
a
few
things.
They
were
not
ready
for
for
the
the
five-day,
almost
60
block
out
at
260
Parliament
at
that
particular
point
in
time.
The
the
deputy
chief
of
Toronto
Police
made
a
call
because
the
shelters
were
literally
full.
G
G
The
call
was
made
that
to
keep
them
in
the
dark
in
the
code
in
January,
where
it
was
going
down
to
minus
30
and
minus
25
is
to
keep
people
in
the
dark
without
water,
without
power
in
a
building
with
vulnerable
people
with
people
living
with
illness
with
people
living
with
with
mobility
challenges
is
to
keep
them
in
the
dark,
rather
than
put
them
on
the
streets
or
find
a
hotel
room.
There
was
just
no
adequate
planning,
so
this
particular
set
of
recommendations.
G
I
recognize
it's
long,
but
it
really
came
out
of
so
many
different
conversations
that
I
had
with
the
local
community
and
the
first
responders,
because
they
were
all
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
make
sense
of
a
chaotic
situation,
and
you
didn't
have
a
landlord
that
was
being
that
was
proactive.
So
there
are
costs
to
650
parliament.
There
are
cost
to
260
Wellesley
and
those
costs.
How
are
we
going
to
recover
them?
Are
gonna?
Tell
you
we're
gonna
have
to
sue
them.
G
I
think
we're
gonna
have
to
find
is
initiate
some
legal
claims
and
the
number
of
resources
the
amount
of
resources
that
this
city
spent.
This
council
spent
to
take
care
of
a
landlord
that
wasn't
doing
their
job.
I
suspect
it's
going
to
be
into
the
millions
easily,
so
somebody's
got
to
pay
you're
right,
absolutely
somebody's
got
to
pay
I,
don't
think
that
it
should
be
exclusively
the
especially
for
a
building.
That's
not
well-managed
where
they
were.
It
was
confirmed
for
us
that
the
electrical
system
had
not
been
inspected
for
decades.
G
I,
don't
believe
at
all
that
the
landlord
that
the
that
the
bar
is
too
high
that
they've
done
too
much
the
burdens
too
tis
too
great,
when
all
I'm
asking
for
is
staff
to
consider
all
the
information
that
we've
gathered
and
asked
us
is
this
doable?
Can
we
implement
it?
Is
this
something
that
will
work
for
everybody,
including
the
City
of
Toronto,
and
the
taxpayers
of
Toronto,
who
are
gonna,
have
to
pay
the
bill?
G
If
we
don't
recover
some
of
the
cost
that
we
spent
to
make
sure
that
the
residents
were
ok
and
taken
care
of,
and
it
had
everything
to
do
with
the
fact
that
everything
we
had
to
ask
for
was
and
asked
we
had
to
ask
for
blankets,
we
had
to
ask
for
water,
we
had
to
ask
for
security,
we
had
and
we
had
to
ask
for
just
about
everything.
It
was
a
negotiation
every
step
of
the
way
it
was
frustrating
darn,
frustrating
and
it
was
unfair
to
the
residents
because
we
were
not
ready
to
deal
well.
G
We
were
ready
to
deal
with
the
situation,
but
the
landlord
was
not
ready
to
deal
with
his
situation,
and
that
is
what
I
think
is
the
most
frustrating
thing
for
the
residents
of
st.
James
town
and
knowing
that
we
are
going
to
be
looking
at
an
aging
building
stock
across
the
city
when
it
happens
in
your
community.
G
There's
a
very
good
chance,
you're
going
to
look
back
on
this
day
and
said:
I'm
really
glad
that
councillor
wong-tam
in
the
community
and
the
first
responders
in
MLS
and
everybody
else
came
together
and
figured
it
out,
then
so
that
you
didn't
have
to
make
it
up
on
the
fly
when
the
catastrophe
lens
in
your
in
your
community
and
neighborhood.
Thank
you
very
much.
S
Be
the
last
speaker,
then
we
thank
you
for
watching
speaker,
I
just
wanted
to
rise
and
to
thank
council
Wong
Tim
for
obviously
initiating
a
lot
of
this.
We
saw
her
and
her
community
when
these
incidents
occurred
and
for
any
of
us
who
have
had
anything
such
as
an
emergency
situation
in
our
community.
We
had
a
fire
in
my
area
where
a
man
actually
died
and
the
landlord
himself
had
he
and
his
partner.
S
Where
some
place,
we
don't
know
where
to
the
state
and
the
residents
needed
assistance
and
the
city
did
come
to
to
their
assistance
and,
as
I
said,
someone
died
and
and
clearly
to
the
magnitude
that
the
counselor
had
experienced
with
the
two
respective
building
in
in
her
area.
Mine
was
not
anywhere
near
that
in
terms
of
the
number
of
people
that
were
impacted,
but,
as
I
indicated
earlier,
madam
Speaker,
someone
actually
died
in
in
the
fire
that
took
place
in
my
ward.
S
We
actually
had
to
seek
out
the
assistance
of
a
hotel
in
the
warden
and
the
for
one
area
to
help
to
put
residents
up,
because
there
were
no
opportunity
in
terms
of
getting
in
touch
with
the
the
landlord
I.
Do
think
that
as
we
realize
throughout
the
city,
we
have
lots
of
older
stock
of
rental
units
that
are
in
need
of
repair,
and
it's
not
just
the
downtown
core.
It
is
out
in
the
West.
Then
it's
out
in
the
East
End,
it's
in
the
north
end
of
the
city.
S
I,
do
think
that
we
need
to
to
do
something
about
this
and
I
think
this
is
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
I,
don't
think
that
we're
suggesting
any
means
that
simply
that
we're
going
to
put
the
burden
and
owners
so
much
on
the
landlord.
But
if
we
are,
we
have
to
do
that
in
in
a
balanced
way,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
know
that
all
of
the
costs
will
be
passed
back
on
to
the
attendants.
S
But
if
landlords
are
taking
care
of
their
properties,
we
wouldn't
find
ourselves
in
these
particular
conditions
and
I.
Think
that
is
part
of
what
the
messaging
here
is
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
also
know
whether
or
not
there
are
elderly
residents
in
in
in
in
in
these
buildings
and
what
Florence
they're
located
where
what
units
they're
in
and
how
we
offer
assistance
to
them.
I
do
think
as
well
is
a
broader
requirement,
in
fact,
to
ensure
that
across
the
city
we
do
something
similar
to
residential
properties
in
in
our
respective
wards.
S
During
the
ice
storm
I
found
personally
a
number
of
residents
who
were
often
aged
and
who
were
still
living
in
their
homes,
but
because
of
the
emergency
of
that
time,
with
the
ice
storm,
they
were
not
able
to
get
out.
They
were
not
able
to
get
assistance,
and
so
on
lucky
thing
that
I
knew
were
some
of
them
lived
and
we
were
able
to
provide
whether
or
not
it's
coffee,
water
and
some
assistance
to
them.
I
think
as
a
city,
we
are
going
to
have
to
to
be
aware
and
be
mindful
of
these.
S
These
requirements,
because
of
the
fact
that
a
global
warming
is
upon
us
and
lots
of
environmental
changes,
are
taking
place
in
our
respective
cities
and
our
towns
and
our
neighborhoods
and
so
on.
So
I
think
we
need
to
to
be
aware
of
this
and
I.
Just
simply
wanted
to
thank
the
councillor.
I
saw
the
pain.
S
I
saw
the
problem
if
some
of
those
people
that
lived
in
your
area
actually
we're
in
became
to
mine
as
well,
because
the
relatives
lived
in
the
area,
so
they
were
trying
to
seek
shelter
and
accommodation
and
I
did
meet
a
number
of
them
and
I
saw
the
pain
in
terms
of
their
expression
and
their
emotions.
I
saw
the
young
children
who
were
impacted
by
this,
so
this,
in
my
view,
madam
Speaker
is
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
Thank
you.
K
S
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D
Are
perks
please
and
councillor
Perutz,
please
a.