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Description
Economic and Community Development Committee, meeting 5, May 27, 2019 - Part 1 of 2
Agenda and background materials:
http://app.toronto.ca/tmmis/decisionBodyProfile.do?function=doPrepare&meetingId=15384
Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqoE0s9_hFs
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A
Like
to
call
the
meeting
to
order
good
morning,
everyone
and
may
I
have
some
order
in
the
room.
Please
may
I
have
some
order
in
the
room.
Please
I'd
like
to
call
the
meeting
to
order
I'd
like
to
ask
people
to
take
their
seats
and
to
basically
to
quiet
the
conversation
which
is
rather
loud
at
this
moment:
I
like
the
energy,
after
all,
a
big
weekend
game
and
so
on,
and
it's
carrying
through
and
I
get
that,
and
so
this
is
great.
My
Raptors
Jersey
hits
it's
under
the
suit.
A
Absolutely
take
it
off
on
Thursday
so
good
morning
and
welcome
to
meeting
number
five
of
the
economic
and
Community
Development
Committee
I'd
like
to
welcome
the
community
members
as
well
as
visiting
councillors.
I
see
none
at
the
moment,
but,
more
importantly,
the
members
of
the
public
that
are
here
with
us
and
the
media.
A
The
economic
and
Community
Development
Committee
acknowledges
that
the
land
that
we
are
meeting
on
is
the
traditional
territories
of
many
nations,
including
the
mississagua
of
the
credit
Vienna
schwabe,
the
Chippewa
and
the
Hoonah
Shawnee,
and
when
debt
people
and
is
home
to
many
diverse
First,
Nation
Inuit
and
métis
people's.
We
also
acknowledge
that
Toronto
is
covered
by
313,
with
the
Mississauga
of
the
credits
all
right
members.
Are
there
any
declaration
of
interest
under
the
municipal
conflict
of
interest
Act,
seeing
none.
Thank
you.
A
A
We
have
moving
through
any
additional
communications.
Madam
clerk,
okay,
we
have
a
number
of
speakers
and
I'll
just
go
through
them.
Members.
We
now
are
going
to
go
through
the
agendas
and
there's
a
number
of
items
here
that
hour
for
presentation
and
ask
members
to
hold
any
items
that
they
may
have
an
interest
in
members.
I
would
also
tell
you
that
I
will
be
looking
to
see
the
time
arrived
at
10
o'clock.
A
The
next
item
is
the
EC
5.2.
That's
the
economic
outlook
and
councillor
Carol.
You
would
ask
some
time
ago
for
a
presentation
on
this
I
understand
the
general
manager
will
be
making
a
presentation.
Mr.
Williams,
yes
I,
so
that
will
be
done
at
midday,
then
at
12:00,
so
we'll
hold
that
ICI
5.3
Toronto
paramedic
service,
multiple
n,
so
I
will
be
holding
that
because
that's
a
presentation,
mr.
mcclaren,
the
acting
chief
and
I,
want
to
take
that
word
out.
Acting
I.
A
Don't
have
the
authority
to
do
that,
but
I'd
like
to
see
if
we
can
encourage
that
Madame
DCM
I
think
he's
earned
a
job
quite
frankly,
I'm
fairly
biased
I'm.
Making
that
bold
statement
right
absolutely
did
I
put
him
on
the
spot.
Where
is
Gordon?
Is
he
here
he's
always
hiding?
Well,
it's
too
bad
Gord.
We
love
you
so
we're
going
to
hold
that
one
down
easy
5.4
supporting
survivors
of
human
trafficking.
We
have
a
number
of
speakers
on
this
particular
item,
so
we'll
be
holding
that
item.
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A
A
A
A
A
A
So
12
is
going
to
be
dealt
with
at
the
same
time
as
ec5
12
will
be
dealt
with
at
the
same
time
as
EC
5.2,
so
those
will
be
dealt
with
together
at
noon
and
then
finally,
EC
5.1,
three
improving
the
imagination,
manufacturing,
innovation
and
technology,
local
employment
requirement.
That's
the
eye,
Mets
right!
So,
okay,
so
pardon
there
are
speakers,
no
yeah!
That's
they
were
speakers,
so
I'll
hold
that
down.
Okay,.
A
Okay,
members,
we
are
now
moving
to
item
number
one
and
that's
the
Greater
Toronto
Airport
Authority
update
I'm,
always
looking
to
this
update,
because
there's
so
much
that
we
learn.
We
have
two
presenters.
This
morning
we
have
Laurie
McKee
director
of
government
in
stakeholder
relations,
a
Greater
Toronto
Airport
Authority.
We
also
have
David
Wilson
who's.
A
chair
of
the
Greater
Toronto
Airport
Authority
Board
of
Directors
David
is
the
former
chair
and
CEO
of
the
Ontario
Securities
Commission,
and
he
is
now
retired.
Following
an
extensive
career
in
the
Canada's
financial
and
service
industry.
A
B
B
As
councillor
Thompson
said,
my
name
is
David
Wilson
I'm,
a
director
of
the
board
of
the
Greater
Toronto
airports
authority.
His
encounter
Thompson,
said
I'm
joined
by
Lori
McKee
here
in
my
left,
vector
public
affairs
and
stakeholder
relations
at
the
GTA.
A
I
was
nominated
to
the
board
of
the
GTA
by
the
City
of
Toronto
in
November
in
November.
2011
I
was
chair
of
that
board
from
May
2015
until
earlier
this
month,
and
my
four
year
term
as
chair,
ended
mr.
B
Doug
Allan
Hammond
now
takes
over
my
role
as
chair
of
the
board
as
of
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
and
I
will
continue
to
serve
as
a
director
and
member
of
the
Audit
Committee
Governance
Committee
in
the
Hach
search
committee,
which
we'll
speak
about
in
a
minute
until
May
2020,
when
my
maximum
term
of
nine
years
will
have
expired.
I'm
very
pleased
to
be
here
once
again
to
share
with
you
an
update
on
the
key
activities
and
strategic
priorities
for
your
Toronto
Pearson
councillor
Thompson
said:
I
have
strong
roots
in
the
city.
B
Earlier
this
year
we
announced
that
our
president
and
CEO
Howard
Aang
will
retire
from
the
GTA
in
March
2020
after
40
successful
years
as
an
airport
executive,
culminating
in
a
tremendous
years
at
the
helm
of
Canada's
largest
airport
Howard
has
not
only
led
Toronto
Pearson
to
new
heights,
both
in
terms
of
our
worldwide
connectivity
and
the
service
that
we
provide
to
our
valued
passengers.
He
has
also
fostered
a
business
like
commercial
atmosphere
with
customers,
which,
in
turn
has
contributed
to
the
airport's
very
strong
performance
under
mr.
Aang's
leadership.
B
Mr.
Ennis
also
recognized
for
his
work
to
just
connect
the
airport
to
the
ground
transportation
in
the
Greater
Toronto
Area.
We
can
cover
that
later.
On
this
morning,
the
GTA
has
initiated
a
process
to
replace.
Mr.
Eng
and
is
conducting
an
international
search,
I
am
chairing
the
search
committee
of
the
board.
Looking
for
mr.
B
Yang's
replacement,
consistent
with
the
commitment
that
howard
has
shown
to
the
airport
throughout
his
tenure
here,
he
has
graciously
agreed
to
stay
on
to
ensure
a
smooth
and
orderly
transition
when
his
successor
is
selected
I'll
now
hand
over
the
presentation
to
Lori
McKee.
Who
will
take
you
through
the
slide
deck
Lori.
Please
great.
C
Thank
you,
David
and
good
morning
to
you,
counselor
and
councillor
Thompson.
As
David
said,
we
have
seen
significant
growth
at
the
airport,
we're
adding
about
two
and
a
half
million
passengers
each
every
year.
Last
year
we
finished
the
year
just
shy
of
50
million
passengers,
and
our
forecast
is
to
grow
to
85
million,
we're,
adding
more
destinations
and
carriers,
and
the
benefits,
of
course,
of
an
airport
in
terms
of
trade
and
jobs
and
economic
activity
continue
to
also
grow.
We
also
work
very
hard
to
manage
the
impacts
that
an
airport
does
have
on
its
neighbors.
C
You
can
see
on
the
screen
here
the
way
that
that
growth
has
materialized.
Since
the
GTA
took
over
the
first
16
years,
we
added
10
million
passengers.
We
added
the
next
ten
million
in
four,
and
we
expect
to
add
the
next
40
million
passengers
in
20
years.
We're
carefully
planning
our
operations
to
make
sure
that
we
can
accommodate
the
growth.
That's
coming
through
investments
in
modern
terminal
infrastructure,
new
baggage
systems
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
ground
side,
which
we've
focused
a
lot
on
in
the
last
couple
of
years.
C
Pearson
is
on
the
cusp
of
becoming
what
we
would
call
a
mega
hub
airport.
You
can
see
on
the
screen
some
airports
that
are
very
familiar
to
you,
I'm
sure
in
North
America
there
are
two
Los
Angeles
and
New
York
and
we
think
Toronto
Pearson
has
an
opportunity
to
play
in
this
elite
world
of
airports.
These
are
airports
that
have
more
than
50
million
passengers.
C
Pearson
was
ranked
the
fifth
most
connected
Airport
in
the
world.
Heathrow
you
can
see
on
the
screen
is
number
one.
We're
number
two
in
North
America
next
to
Chicago,
and
this
means
we
have
72
percent
of
the
world's
global
economies
can
be
connected
from
Pearson
through
daily
direct
flights,
as
David
mentioned.
We're
really
proud
that
for
the
second
year
in
a
row,
we've
been
ranked
number
one
in
40
million
passenger
airports
in
North
for
service
quality.
That's
a
something
we're
very
proud
of,
and
really
do.
C
Thank
the
employees
and
the
50,000
people
that
work
at
the
airport
for
delivering
on
that
the
benefits
that
an
airport
can
bring
there's
5,000
people
that
work
at
the
airport
that
are
residents
of
the
City
of
Toronto.
If
you
look
at
that,
the
the
jobs
that
are
facilitated
as
a
result
of
aviation
there's
60,000
in
Toronto
and
then
as
a
result
of
our
by
local
policy,
there's
a
hundred
and
eighty
million
dollars
spent
in
businesses
in
the
city
of
Toronto
we're
very
active
in
the
community.
C
We
have
open
houses
that
we
we
host
and
talk
to
residents
about
the
airport
in
its
operation.
We
have
a
street
team,
which
is
a
group
of
four
students
that
have
been
hired
locally
in
they're
driving
around
in
a
van
this
summer,
setting
up
a
tent
and
talking
about
the
airport
at
local
community
events.
We've
been
out
at
some
environment
days
for
councilors
already,
and
you
can
see
councillor
Ford's
on
the
screen
there.
With
the
mayor
attending
we've
got
a
number
of
others
coming
up
as
well,
and
we
do
attend
community
events
when
invited.
C
So
you
can
see
the
Bloor
West
Village
residents.
Agm
was
one
we
attended.
Last
month
we
have
a
target
to
become
one
of
the
imagine
Canada
companies,
which
means
investing
1
percent
of
net
profits,
so
we
have,
through
our
community
investment
program,
which
is
called
the
propellor
project
invested
in
2018,
just
over
1
million
dollars
and
24
organizations,
groups
like
Mayville
arts,
newcomers,
kitchen
Rexdale,
Women's
Centre
as
well.
We
sponsor
quite
a
few
events
in
the
community
throughout
the
city
of
Toronto
and
across
the
region.
C
We
also
work
closely
with
our
local
municipalities,
including
Toronto,
to
make
sure
that
the
airport
is
reflecting
the
city
we
have
YYZ
live,
which
again
is
having
musical
entertainment
from
Toronto
artists
in
the
terminal
buildings.
We
work
closely
with
invest
Toronto
a
toronto
global.
Excuse
me
on
the
bid
for
Amazon
where's
and
last
week
when
collision
was
happening
in
Toronto.
C
You
had
welcome
screens
in
our
arrivals
hall,
welcoming
delegates
and
we're
working
with
tourism
Toronto
right
now
to
make
sure
we
understand
the
conference's
that
are
coming
to
town
conferences
like
Jehovah
Witness,
which
are
coming
later.
This
summer
we've
been
talking
a
lot
about
transit.
You
can
see
some
of
the
challenges
that
we're
facing
in
terms
of
congestion,
but
some
of
the
opportunities
as
well
we've
got
Pearson's
located
in
the
heart
of
the
largest
sorry,
second
largest
employment
zone
in
the
country.
Downtown
Toronto
is
number
one.
C
We've
had
some
success
in
terms
of
support
for
Union
Station
West,
the
Regional
Board
of
Trade
in
Toronto,
endorsed
the
project
we've
been
working
with
TTC
on
planning
and
advancing
some
better
connections
for
routes
and
frequencies.
We
have
a
couple
of
workshops
coming
up
and
another
one
coming
up
later
this
month
with
the
TTC
and
we're
working
with
city
staff
on
some
we've
calls
of
listening
tables
that
focus
on
how
we
can
better
connect
Toronto
to
the
airport.
C
We
were
very
pleased
with
the
provincial
announcement
on
Eddington
cross
town
and
the
recognition
of
it
in
the
provincial
budget.
So
that's
a
critical
line
to
bring
Union
Station
west
to
life.
We
think,
and
so
we'll
continue
to
work
with
Metro
links
on
a
partnership
to
study
the
lines
we've
invested,
40
million
dollars
in
a
partnership
with
Metro
links
to
advance
the
study
work
on
the
bend
into
the
airport
of
the
Kitchener
corridor,
as
well
as
the
various
transit
lines,
and
we'll
continue
to
do
that.
C
Work
to
bring
those
lines
to
a
place
where
we
can
look
at
the
business
cases
for
further
investment.
Of
course,
in
Airport,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
does
have
impacts
on
its
community,
and
so
we
worked
very
hard.
We
have
our
second
five-year
noise
management
action
plan
that
was
rolled
out
last
year
and
our
staff
are
working
through
that,
looking
at
quieter
fleet
for
the
the
airlines
that
fly
at
the
airport,
as
well
as
the
flight
paths
that
and
Nav
Canada
manages
with
that.
I'll
turn
it
over
for
any
questions
that
you
might
have
or.
D
D
So
it's
my
questions,
aren't
really
about
anything
new
one
here,
but
to
talk
about
the
airport
as
a
whole,
so
you
employing
5,000
people
and
then,
but
you
have
a
greater
impact
than
just
those
5,000
I
know
you
mentioned
60,000,
indirect
jobs
and
then
I
didn't
hear
you
mention
about
the
the
greater
air
point
important
the
Airport
employment
zone.
Could
you
just
mention
talk
about
gone
a
bit
and
the
relevancy
to
that.
So.
C
C
Reports
are
magnets
for
investment
and
head
office
locations
and,
as
a
result,
the
lands
around
Pearson
are
a
significant
area
of
employment.
The
neftis
Foundation
did
some
work
a
couple
of
years
ago
and
they
were
looking
at
employment
nodes
across
the
region
identified.
Not
surprisingly,
that
City
of
Toronto
downtown
is
the
largest
employment
zone,
but
the
second
largest
in
Canada
is
actually
this
Airport
employment
zone
that
you
you
mentioned.
D
Understanding
that
magnitude-
and
this
is
McKee-
you
mentioned
about
that-
being
an
investment
about
Daz
being
the
second
largest
employment
Zone
in
the
country
in
terms
of
just
pivoting
right
now,
and
once
again
you
mentioned
it
but
to
transit
investment.
How
critical
is
that
on
your
radar
right
now?
It's.
C
Very
critical
when
we
think
about
the
airport
and
the
capacity
it
requires,
we
think
about
it
in
three
ways.
You
think
about
what
your
air
side
can
handle
runways,
taxiways
think
about
what
your
buildings
the
terminals
can
handle
in
terms
of
passengers
and
that's
checking
counters
and
baggage,
carousels
and
and
systems.
We
also
think
of
what
we
call
the
ground
side
and
that
sort
of
the
road
and
the
transit
connections
to
the
airport,
Pearson
really
has
fallen
behind.
C
When
we
look
at
our
peers
around
the
world
in
terms
of
a
number
of
people
taking
transit
to
the
airport,
if
you
look
at
ship,
Oller
or
Heathrow
or
Hong
Kong,
a
much
larger
percentage
of
people
are
taking
transit
in
that
sort
of
forty
percent.
Even
Vancouver,
with
the
Canada
Line
they've
increased
the
number
of
people
taking
transit
to
about
thirty
percent.
We
have
about
10
percent
mode
split
so
from
a
sustainability
perspective.
We
think
that
isn't,
isn't
sustainable.
C
We
can't
keep
building
parking
garages
and
we
can't
just
keep
building
bigger
roads
as
traffic
continues
to
grow
and
if
you
think
about
the
airport
growing
from
today's
passenger
count
of
50
million
to
20
37
of
85
million
passengers,
we
really
need
to
change
that
so
that
there's
more
people
and
the
way
to
do
that
is
through
investments
to
transit.
They
connect
to
the
airport.
Thank.
E
C
E
They
were,
they
were
working
on
when,
when,
when
I
finished
my
membership
there,
they
were
working
on
really
just
trying
to
to
increase
the
group
transport
in
some
way
from
having
a
shuttle
around
the
employment
zone.
That
would
make
it
more
attractive
if
you
had
to
travel
in
for
business
and
things
like
that,
to
make
it
more
attractive
to
keep
them
there,
but
to
have
them
shuttled
so
that
such
a
you
could
get
off
at
Pearson
and
not
even
need
to
rent
a
car.
C
Been
working
with
the
Toronto
region,
Conservation
Authority
as
part
of
the
airport
employment
zone
coalition,
as
we
call
it,
which
is
the
group-
that's
come
together
to
advocate
for
better
transit,
one
of
the
I
talked
about
as
a
listening
table.
So
one
of
the
listening
tables
that
we'll
be
hosting
in
the
next
month
or
so
is
going
to
focus
on
with
also
that
last
mile
connection,
yeah
right
when
you
have
that
many
businesses
located
so
close,
what
are
the
best
ways
to
try
and
build
those
connections?
C
E
And
the
numbers,
if
I,
oh
I,
don't
see
page
numbers
if
I'm
looking
at
the
only
10%
of
passages
and
employees
take
transit
to
get
to
Pierson
best
in
the
world,
ooh
much
better.
Those
numbers,
Hongkong
50%
ship,
full,
forty
and
and
Shanghai
sixty
that's
actually
public
transit.
Is
it
not
if
we
change
that
if
we,
if
we
had
that
number
evaluate
group
transport
of
any
kind
like
hotel,
shuttles
and
things
like
that,
their
percentage
is
even
higher.
I'm
guessing
in
Schiphol
I
couldn't
even
find
where
you
would
get
in
an
individual
taxi.
C
E
We're
even
farther
apart,
if
you
start
to
include
those
so
two
things
I
think
I've
talked
to
you
about
this
before
Lori.
My
dream
is
that
you
have
what
you
have
in
Hong
Kong
Central
Station,
where
I
just
got
rid
of
my
bag
in
the
morning,
and
it
makes
its
own
way
to
the
airport
and
and
I'll
get
on
the
train
to
the
airport
later
is:
is
there
any
headway
being
made
on
making
that
possible
from
the
up
Express,
where
I
just
got
rid
of
my
baggage?
And
now
my
boarding
pass?
E
My
baggage
is
gone,
I
never
have
to
think
about
it
so
that
we
might
get.
We
might
generate
more
interest
in
it
and
is
there
any
headway?
I'm
looking
at
the
transit
map
and
I
see
the
possibility
of
bending
go
into
reach
there
of
having
something
like
the
up
Express
that
runs
across
the
top
of
the
city,
so
that
transit
to
the
airport
becomes
a
suburban
option.
C
E
And
so,
and
one
other
question
I,
don't
know
if
that
chair
wants,
we
just
throw
it
in
there
is.
Is
that
whether
or
not
Pearson
is
in
fact
having
a
provincial
conversation
so
that
so
that,
as
they
fill
out
the
Premier's
most
recent
map
and
any
any
conversations
they
might
be
having
with
other
GTA
regions,
that
Pearson
is
central
to
their
their
their
their
design
process?
Or
are
you
embedded
in
that
conversation?
Are.
E
C
Always
happy
to
have
advocates
in
support
of
better
transit
to
Pearson.
So
welcome
that.
But
yes,
we
are
so
the
partnership
we
have
with
Metro
links.
He
is
doing
studies
that
are
looking
at.
You
know,
region-wide.
How
do
you
better
connect
the
airport?
Obviously
you
mentioned
the
Kitchener
Gobind
yeah,
that's
a
big
project,
but
strategically
it's
a
game
changer
for
Pearson.
If
you
could
actually
get
the
heavy
rail
to
connect
into
a
new
terminal
facility
that
we're
building,
but
we
are
working
region
wide
across
from
Halton,
kitchener-waterloo,
etc.
Trying
to
build
that
support.
Fantastic.
Thank.
A
You
very
much
counsel,
Carol
anyone
else,
a
question:
Lucy,
no
okay,
I
just
feed
questions
for
me
and
it's
a
perennial
one
that
I
ask
each
time
here
here
and
it's
about
expansion
with
respect
to
the
GTA.
You
have
demonstrated.
Obviously,
our
success
in
the
growth
that's
taking
place,
you're.
Looking
at
growing
up
to
85
million
people,
there
has
been
I
guess
a
30
year,
conversation
taking
place
about
the
Pickering
Airport.
A
There
were
a
few
years
ago.
Much
more
activities
taking
place.
I
saw
some
of
the
signs
and
protests
most
also
some
of
the
reviewer
studies
that
potentially
we're
going
to
be
done.
Where
are
we
within
our
lifetime?
Will
we
see
another
airport
in
the
GTA
in
light
of
the
fact
of
the
growth
that's
taking
place
with
you
here
at
Pearson.
B
Start
councillor,
Thompson
Laurie,
can
add
a
very
timely
question.
There
are
lots
of
conversations
happening
between
Howard
and
the
people
out
in
in
Durham
who
are
anxiously.
I
was
looking
for
support
for
an
airport
in
that
region
in
many
ways,
because
they've
had
a
bit
of
a
hit
with
the
closing
of
the
Oshawott
of
activity.
So
there's
lots
of
conversations.
The
CEO
of
GTA
hoarding
has
been
in
those
conversations
he's
been
very
constructive
with
the
people
in
Pickering
that
are
pushing
for
action.
B
C
The
numbers
in
terms
of
demand
I
mean
the
the
long-term
demand
for
aviation
is
for
110
million
people
to
want
to
be
travelling
through
the
region.
So
if
our
capacity
is
85
million,
there
is
opportunity
for
other
airports
to
grow.
We
have
establish
that
we
called
the
southern
Ontario
airports
Network.
So
it's
a
group
of
12
airports
across
the
region
that
are
working
together,
Transport
Canada,
is
represented
on
that
group
as
the
owner
of
those
lands.
Ultimately,
it's
not
our
decision.
It
is
a
decision
of
Transport
Canada,
whether
or
not
there's
an
airport
built
there.
C
A
You
on
the
economic
impact
of
the
airport,
I
would
say
10
years
ago,
when
you
came
in
have
a
conversation.
You
were
not
as
full
the
connecting
airport
as
you
are
today,
we've
seen
the
growth
in
terms
of
the
number
of
jobs,
5,000
people
from
Toronto
work,
the
airport
45,000
people
from
elsewhere
working
there.
So
that's
your
total
of
50,
but
the
indirect
impact
of
the
jobs
being
second
largest
employment
area.
C
So
the
larger
number
is
about
three
hundred
and
thirty
thousand
jobs
that
are
in
the
airport,
employment
zone
and
the
challenge
without
transit
is
the
ability
for
that
to
continue
to
grow.
When
companies
look
to
locate,
they
obviously
need
to
get
access
to
talent,
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
for
companies
today,
really
is
we
locate
in
places
where
you
can
get
workers
to
your
door
to
to
fill
those
jobs,
and
so
that's
become
a
bit
of
a
challenge.
We
know
the
lands
just
south
of
the
airport,
the
airport
corporate
center.
C
A
Fantastic
and
with
respect
to
collision,
which
you
reference,
the
conference,
what
was
just
held
last
week,
a
big
part
off
the
decision
in
terms
of
coming
to
Toronto,
was
the
ability
to
connect
and
bring
people
here
in
send
that
one
flight,
as
opposed
to
a
multitude
of
flights
coming
through.
There
are
other
events
and
conferences
that
are
also
benefiting
from
the
structure
of
your
Airport
as
well.
Could
you
perhaps
speak
to
that?
C
Yeah
I
think
those
were
some
of
the
benefits
that
we
provided
when
we
gave
stats
and
information
to
Toronto
global
when
they
bid
for
Amazon
was.
It
was
the
flights
that
could
be
offered
to
Amazon
to
the
places
that
they
needed
to
get
their
goods
and
their
people
I'm.
Just
looking
for
a
stack
because
I
said.
A
Well,
you
do
that
part
of
the
reason
of
asking
that
question,
because
there's
always
the
issue
around
noise
and
runway
and
so-and-so
juxtaposing
now
there
is
a
balance
that
we
actually
try
to
create
because
you
try
as
best
as
possible
to
minimize
the
impact
on
the
overall
community.
Is
that
correct
as
well
of.
C
Course
any
planes
are
getting
quieter,
but
they
don't
make
no
noise
and
so
we're
continually
working
with
technology
with
the
air
carriers
and
Nav
Canada
to
try
and
minimize
the
impact
that
we
have
on
our
neighbors
there's
six
ideas
that
have
been
rolling
out
in
coordination
with
Nav
Canada
and
they're
all
designed
to
reduce
the
impact
that
aircraft
have
on
communities
and
the
stat
I
was
looking
for
councillor.
It
actually
came
out
of
in
investor
Anto,
Toronto
global.
C
B
C
Mega
hubs
are
sort
of
loosely
defined
as
airports
with
more
than
50
million
passengers.
Airports
that
have
a
significant
number
of
past
that
are
international
and
Pearson
is
second
only
to
JFK
in
New
York
for
international
traffic.
Two-Thirds
of
our
passengers
are
international
and
they
really
it's
an
airport
that
sort
of
punches
above
its
weight
and
it
dries
prosperity
through
direct
connections.
So
the
ability
is
councillor
Thompson
mentioned.
Is
your
the
hub
so
you're
not
having
to
connect
somewhere
else
to
get
to
the
airport?
B
How
close
are
we
to
becoming
a
mega
hopper,
and
how
do
we
do
that?
Tough
question
we're
on
the
cusp
of
becoming
a
mega
hub
at
the
board
table.
We
talk
about
the
strategy
being
to
push
towards
mega
hub
status
where
we're
on
the
cusp
we
had
Air,
Canada,
CEO
and
senior
executives
came
to
a
board
meeting
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
and
they
are
designing
their
strategy
to
make
pearson
Omega
hubba-hubba
flights
from
the
u.s.
into
Pearson
to
go
elsewhere.
B
B
C
Southern
Ontario
Airport
Network
had
I
mentioned
Hamilton
is
a
part
of
that.
The
12
airports
that
are
part
of
that
group,
all
of
those
airports,
have
been
seeing
growth
as
the
economy
grows.
The
theory
behind
it
is,
as
all
airports
grow,
to
serve
a
local
niche
demand,
the
economy's
growth
we
all
get
a
little
bit
so
it
you
know
it's
it's
sort
of
sticky,
so
we
benefit
as
Hamilton
grows.
We
benefit
as
Waterloo
grows.
B
Important
thing:
that's
happened
as
Laurie
mentioned
this
little
southern
Ontario
network
of
airports,
Howard
Inge,
when
he
came,
decided
that
being
rivals
with
Hamilton
or
a
schwa
or
Kitchener
was
the
wrong
approach.
We
should
be
partners,
we
should
cooperate,
there's
lots
for
everybody
to
do
here
and
so
there's
the
culture
has
changed
and
those
these
southern
Ontario
airports
are
now
cooperating
and
talking
with
each
other
catalyst
is
Charlotte
Pearson,
but
there's
no
rivalry
anymore.
It's
cooperative!
B
It's
the
message
and
just
one
last
question
is
the
growing
responsibility
to
plan
and
we
had
a
years
back
when
the
expansion
of
the
runway-
and
there
was
some
miscommunication,
which
seems
to
be
some
strides
made
in
that
I
know.
The
lighter
aircraft
are
coming
carrying
more
people
on
these
larger
aircraft
as
part
of
the
plan
to
redo
this,
not
a
small
part,
because
you
seem
to
be
getting
out
there
a
lot
more
now,
as
we
saw
in
the
slides
you're
going
to
the
environment
days
and
getting
out
there
with
the
traveling
band.
B
So
things
for
me
is
being
closed.
The
airport's
kind
of
quieted
down
you
feeling
the
same
way
about
it.
So
you're
getting
out
there
and
yes
I,
think
that's
that's
a
fair
summary.
We
learned
from
the
the
construction,
the
repaving
one
of
the
runways
a
couple
of
summers
ago.
The
communication
is
critical,
so
people
know
what's
coming
and
you
got
to
repave
a
runway
because
it's
it's
time
you
have
to
make
sure
you
don't
know.
B
D
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr.
chair
and
I
will
be
brief
and
I
think
it
was
a
couple
years
ago.
I
mean
kind
of
the
same
speech
in
this
committee
and
and
I
am
about
to
write.
Now.
First
I
want
to
thank
the
airport
for
being
here
today,
as
I
said
earlier,
but
for
all
the
work
they
do
not
only
in
my
community,
which
I
know
very
much
about,
but
you
do
across
Toronto
and
I.
D
Think
in
this
committee
we
talk
about
an
economic
development
and
many
things
drive
economic
development
in
our
city,
the
downtown
core,
the
diverse
range
of
Industry
and
business
in
our
city,
the
tech
sector
and
I
can
go
on
and
on
our
our
convention,
centers
our
hospitality
industry
and
what
have
you?
But
what
is
at
the
core
for
me
and
the
pillar
of
our
economic
growth
in
the
city
of
Toronto
in
the
region,
is
the
airport.
D
But
on
more
of
a
local
side,
that's
about
connecting
the
residents
that
I
have
the
honor
of
serving
the
North
Etobicoke
and
giving
them
options
to
get
to
work
in
a
different
mode
and
and
get
out
of
the
car
and
gain
into
transit,
which
is
which
is
what
we
all
try
and
endeavor
to
do.
So.
I
think
with
these
conversations
as
happening,
and
no
one
who
think
the
airport
for
their
continued
commitment
to
our
residents,
north
Etobicoke
and
Toronto.
D
E
But
if,
if
Metrolinx
is
there
and
they're
talking
to
to
our
transit
designers,
and
if
Pearson
is
there
and
they're
talking
to
both
ours
and
the
others,
then
I
think
we
I
think
we
can
consider
that
a
voice
in
the
voice
at
that
table.
As
long
as
there's
a
great
partnership,
I
asked
about
the
the
suburban
options
because
I
think
that's
absolutely
crucial.
E
We
here
we
are
investing
in
our
employment
zones
that
are
outside
the
city
core
and
and
yet
it's
really
hard
to
say
to
people
you,
you
have
to
find
another
way
to
get
to
the
airport.
For
me
to
say,
to
someone
go
and
get
her
an
airport
bus
that
you
can
get
it
young,
the
New,
York
Mills,
it's
just
it's
not
top
flight.
It's
not
gonna
happen,
and,
and
so
we
have
to
get
to
the
point
where
we
have
that
easy
way-
I'm
not
going
to
let
go
of
the
the
the
off-site
baggage
terminal
concept.
E
Don
Mills
subway
station
is
a
place
where
YRT
transit
connects
the
those
buses
may
well
be
asking
to
go
all
the
way
down
to
the
cross
town
once
it
exists,
which
means
there
would
be
a
very
easy
way
to
get
from
the
east
side
of
the
city
over
as
far
as
Kennedy
and
beyond,
and
so
to
keep
talking
about.
Are
there
ways
to
add
to
that
and
you're
gonna
stop
wheel
in
that
bag?
From
that
moment
that
you
choose
public
transit?
That
to
me
is
a
real
game-changer
and
I'll.
E
Give
you
an
example:
I
have
a
business
trip
that
I'm
going
to
take
to
New
York
that
is
being
paid
for
by
the
people
who
are
doing
it.
You'll
see
it
in
my
disclosure
next
quarter,
I
guess,
but
the
the
hosts
of
the
business
event
said
and
where
should
we
pick
you
up
so
we'll
pick
you
up
at
City,
Hall
or
at
home
and
I
said
well
well,
I'm
gonna
be
at
work,
I'll
just
take
up
Express
they.
They
will
not
accept
that?
No,
no!
We
must
limo
you
to
the
airport.
I!
E
Don't
want
you
to
it's
much
more
fun
to
take
the
up.
Express
I!
Don't
want
to
sit
in
your
car
and
stress,
but
culturally,
they
feel
like
they're,
not
taking
care
of
me
if
I
don't
get
in
a
car.
That's
a
failure
on
our
part
to
build
a
culture
around
the
luxurious
experience
of
just
getting
to
the
up
express
and
I
think
the
game-changer.
There
is
because
that
is
where
you
will
drop
your
bag
and
get
your
boarding
pass.
E
That's
the
one
thing
left
to
build
the
culture
that
no
business
would
ever
think
of
doing
anything,
but
just
taking
you
to
the
up,
express
and
ushering
you
onto
that
line
and
and
so
I'm
going
to
keep
harping
on
it.
Every
time
GTAA
comes
to
do
their
annual
report
and,
as
I've
said,
be
a
voice
and
an
advocate
for
them
to
achieve
that.
Yeah
thanks
Thank
You
mr.
chair.
D
F
F
I
can
see
with
some
of
my
real
estate
background
I
think
we
shouldn't
be
doing
any
kind
of
infill
in
that
area,
because
we
need
to
have
a
whole
good
master
plan
in
that
area,
so
it
will
be
all
good
mapped
out
and
and
so
that
we
will
have.
The
you
know
have
the
best
benefit
for
the
economic
growth
of
the
city
of
Toronto,
so
I
wanted
to
see
that
area
to
be
very
nicely
master
planned
and
also
the
other.
F
The
other
wish
wish
that
I
have
is
that,
maybe
perhaps
we
were
one
of
these
days
have
transit
that
connect
the
airport
to
my
wards,
which
is
Scarborough
and
I,
don't
see
Scarborough
on
this
map
here
you
know
with
all
these
good
transit
I
think
I
agree
with
the
other
counselors
that
I
think
we
should.
We
should
have
the
conversation
at
the
table
for
for
transit,
for
so
that
our
Airport
are
well
served.
Thank
you.
So
much
thank.
A
A
A
We
know
that
there
are
many
things
that
are
not
perfect
about
the
area
in
terms
of
transit,
which
we've
identify,
I
agree
with
council
Carol
in
terms
of
the
off-site
baggage
loading
and
so
on,
getting
it
to
the
airport.
It
is
such
a
phenomenal
experience
having
tried
it
in
Hong
Kong
we're
having
meetings
in
the
course
of
the
day
and
I
was
able
to
drop
my
luggage
off
at
9
o'clock
in
the
morning
got
all
the
things
I
needed.
Didn't
have
to
worry
about
it
and
later
on.
A
All
I
needed
to
do
is
to
get
on
a
train
to
get
to
the
airport
and
I
was
there
didn't
have
to
worry
about.
I
saw
my
luggage
when
I
arrived
home
and
it
worked
really
well.
So
if
they
can
do
it,
we
can
do
it
anything
anybody
else
can
do
in
the
world.
We
can
do
better
right,
that's
just
our
game
that
we're
actually
on
so
the
leadership
of
the
ward,
you
know
has
been
a
stellar.
Mr.
Wilson
has
been
at
the
helm.
A
Interestingly
enough
in
airports
as
well
and
I'm
able
to
compare
and
contrast,
airports
around
the
world
with
respect
to
our
Airport
here
in
Toronto,
and
while
there
are
some
things
that
we
have
to
fit
in,
it's
not
a
matter
that
we
don't
understand
what
we
need
to
do.
We
have
to
fit
those
things
in
it's
more
timing,
its
collaboration
with
government
I,
move
the
motion
here
some
time
ago
that
supported
your
transit
effort
around
building
a
better
network
there.
So
we
can
create
an
opportunity
for
people
going
to
their
work
people
in
the
surrounding
area.
A
We
hear
that
there
are
private
transits
that
are
taking
place,
taking
people
to
connect
with
the
system
that
the
transit
system
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
So
when
I
hear
people
and
I
hear
these
conversation
off
on
what
I'm
in
Pearson
and
elsewhere,
they
talk
about
coming
to
Toronto
to
make
a
connection
to
an
international
flight
from
varying
parts
of
the
US,
and
they
say
things
like
I'd,
rather
go
to
Toronto
to
connect
versus
going
elsewhere
it.
A
For
me,
it's
you
know
it's
it's
you're,
terrific
sensibility
and
an
in
response
to
the
great
work
that
has
been
started
for
some
at
some
time
to
address
this
fundamental
travel
opportunity,
making
it
easier
in
connectivity
globally
for
those
who
are
travelling
and
so
on
the
airport's
come
a
long
way.
The
convenience
you
have
health
facility,
the
good
life
is
there.
You've
got
all
of
these
things
that
people
want
because
really
you're
a
mini
city
right
in
the
city,
and
so
people
are
there.
They
spend
a
lot
of
time.
A
A
And
what
have
you
we
get
that
the
fact
that
there's
a
great
opportunity
to
go
to
110
million
passengers
coming
through
it's
something
that
we
as
political
leaders
and,
of
course,
encouraging
the
Transport,
Canada
and
others,
and
so
on
to
recognize
that
we
need
to
build
that.
You
know
the
airport
so
that
they'll
come
because
it's
not
a
matter
one
that
they
want
to
come.
They
do
want
to
come.
We
just
don't
have
the
capacity
ins
one
so
I
want
to
wish
you
continued
success
and
David
I
know
that
you
are
continuing
to
work
with.
A
A
It's
just
important
to
recognize
that
there's
life
after
politics,
whether
or
not
being
a
staffer
or
everything,
but
you
have
done
such
a
remarkable
job
in
terms
of
demonstrating
your
leadership
there
and
and
and
the
wisdom
and
the
collaboration
between
your
offices
and
and
our
respective
counselors
offices
so,
and
so
I
want
to.
Thank
you
all
very
much
for
that
and
with
that
I
want
to
move
receipt
of
the
presentation.
All
those
in
favor
opposed.
That's
Kerry!
Thank
you.
A
A
A
G
I
have
a
few
people
with
me,
as
you
recognized
yes
on.
My
left
is
Vic
Chawla
he's
our
commander
of
policy
and
projects.
Yes,
my
right
is
Leo
Tseng
he's
our
deputy
chief
of
operations
over
to
our
right.
We
have
our
two
other
deputy
chiefs,
rondell
homelesses,
that's
right:
deputy
chief
operational
support,
Jennifer
field,
deputy
chief
of
education
and
quality
services
and
two
other
significant
partners
are
from
local
four
one:
six
like
merriment
and
Peter
Schreyer,
who
were
key
partners
in
the
preparation
of
this
report
and
one
acknowledge.
A
G
Thank
you
so
much
so
that's
this
preparators
presentation
is
geared
towards
to
this
multi-year
staffing
and
systems
plan
that
we
were
asked
to
put
together
and
a
few
key
comments
in
terms
of
our
service
and
I.
Think
one
of
the
most
important
components
right
now
is
we're
in
a
growth
industry.
We're
seeing
a
four
percent
growth
in
mergency
call
demand
each
year
when
we've
averaged
that
over
the
last
ten
years.
G
Another
key
piece
here
is:
we
handle
more
than
40%
of
the
call
volume
for
the
province,
so
Toronto
is
a
hub
in
our
paramedic
world
and
one
of
the
most
of
other
important
pieces
that
we're
seeing
a
trend
of
treating
and
transporting
more
critically
ill
patients,
which
is
a
significant
change
over
the
last
few
years
and
of
our
strengths
of
our
services.
Really
around
our
clinical
excellence
of
our
paramedics.
G
We
have
an
uncredited
Communication
Center,
it's
one
of
the
very
few
in
Canada
that
is
accredited
to
the
triage
process,
which
is
very
important
for
a
deployment
model,
and
last
point
is:
we
have
very
good
data
and
we
and
we
pride
ourselves
in
making
smart
business
decisions
based
on
data.
The
next
slide
speaks
to
the
direction
that
counsel
provided
us
through
the
budget
process.
G
Some
of
these
pressures,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
regards
to
a
growing
aging
population
has
created
quite
a
demand
for
EMS
service
and
in
fact,
in
2018
versus
twenty
seventeenth,
we
saw
a
5.4
percent
increase.
It
was
above
the
the
ten-year
average.
The
other
component
that
we've
also
seen
is
we've
seen
an
increase
in
our
wzid
costs
associated
with
PTSD
claims
and
we'll
have
more
their
comment
on
that
a
little
further,
and
not
only
do
our
paramedics
on
the
street
Freight.
G
The
pressures
on
our
communication
center
is
also
feeling
the
pressures
and
that's
part
of
our
recommendations
in
our
in
the
report
to
the
Ministry
of
Health
and
recognising
that
the
next
slide
to
speaks
to
a
visual
presentation
of
our
call
to
man.
The
step
black
line
represents
the
average
call
volume
from
2011
to
2018.
So
it
gives
you
a
really
good
indicator
of
the
increase
that
we're
seeing
and
that
5.4
increase
that
I
mentioned
that
2018
over
17.
That's
about
18
thousand
more
calls
per
year
that
we
manage.
G
As
mentioned
earlier,
the
the
drivers
of
emergency
calls.
Man
are
really
geared
in
Toronto
to
an
aging
and
growing
population.
So
more
than
half
of
our
patients
in
2018,
we
transported
word
for
patients
over
55.
The
other
important
component
to
this
is
we
expect
to
treat
more
than
eleven
percent
of
the
city's
population,
and
the
city's
population
actually
grows
by
44,000
per
year
and
the
other
component
is
people
look
to
us
for
their
access
to
health
care
in
our
in
our
vulnerable
and
marginalized
communities,
so
we're
a
key
player
in
access
to
health
care.
G
We
have
not
had
an
increase,
and
so
now
we're
experiencing
a
change
in
our
performance
when
it
comes
to
response
to
critical
patients
and
in
2019
we
expect
to
respond
to
90%
of
the
time
in
about
12
minutes
six
seconds.
That's
our
project
projected
time
right
now,
which
is
about
a
15-second
15
to
16
second
increase
versus
2020
18,
so
we
had
we've
been
doing
a
lot
of
work
around
this
aspect.
It's
it's
not
about
adding
resource.
G
We've
done
a
lot
of
work
in
terms
of
trying
to
address
that
and
on
page
18
in
Appendix
B
of
the
report.
It
outlines
quite
a
bit
of
the
detail
with
improves
our
scheduling
of
staff.
We've
implemented
part-time
staff.
We've
introduced
part
community
paramedicine
in
terms
of
mitigating
strategy,
for
for
calls,
we've
really
focused
on
her
in
hospital
time.
Stirrup
rooms,
an
ambulance
availability.
We
vent,
introduced
a
multifunction
station
mount
model
to
respond
to
the
growth
under
the
and
an
efficiency
piece.
G
We
really
don't
do
a
lot
of
non-emergency
transports
anymore,
those
inter-facility
transfer,
so
we
just
don't
have
the
capacity
and
we've
also
in
continued
to
enhance
our
dispatch
technology
to
become
more
efficient
and
effective
at
the
triage
and
dispatch
process,
and
the
last
thing
that
is
in
play
right
now
is
their
summit.
There
are
some
changes
in
the
ambulance
stock
regulation
that
will
help
improve
efficiencies.
Those
are
treatment,
release
programs
as
well
as
alternate
destination
strategies
and
those
are
pending.
Regulatory
change
with
the
government
and
Ministry
of
Health
we've
also
focused
on
supporting
our
staff.
G
We
have
a
very
strong
psychological
health
and
wellness
program
and
that's
an
important
piece,
because
it's
focused
on
prevention,
reduction
of
stigma.
Timely
intervention
posted
in
some
incident
support
an
increased
available
resources
and
I've
talked
a
little
bit
that
further
and
are
in
terms
of
the
outcomes
of
the
W
site.
B
pressures.
The
other
component,
that
is
that
I'd
like
to
mention,
is
our
improved
staff.
Engagement.
G
We've
done
a
lot
of
work
on
engaging
our
partners
in
labor
in
improving
working
conditions,
and
we
really
have
we
value
their
input
and
we've
done
numerous
things
as
outlined
in
the
slide
to
engage
them
in
being
part
of
our
our
decision-making.
The
next
slide
speaks
to
the
WSIB
lost
hours.
This
is
not
something
that
is,
that
is
new
to
our
industry.
In
fact,
in
2011
the
Alberta
Health
System
Alberta
Health
Services.
G
They
introduced
legislature
the
introduced,
the
legislation
that
that
we
did
in
2016
and
they
saw
a
five-year
increase
in
their
costs
and
we're
at
year
three,
so
our
cost
was
actually
tripled
over
the
last
three
years
when
it
comes
to
WSIB
compensation
and
it's
very
important.
We've
underestimated
in
Ontario
that
the
impact
the
sector
and
we
have
to
catch
up
a
little
bit
on
our
our
process,
especially
when
it
comes
to
the
budget.
The
length
of
absence
of
each
employee
and
the
resources
required
to
get
them
back
to
work
is
very
unique
to
the
individual.
G
So
it's
very
prescriptive
in
terms
of
that
time
frame.
Currently
we
have
approximately
60
staff
out
of
our
1200
that
are
off
on
WCB
work-related
stress,
injuries,
time
on
task
and
ambulance.
Availability
is
a
theme
that
you're
going
to
see
in
our
report
in
the
pages
9
through
12
of
the
report
and
this
graph
of
their
that
I
have
on
the
screen
is
a
total
length
of
time
to
service.
G
So
the
key
piece
to
this
chart
is.
You
can
see
that
there's
four
different
segments
on
ambulance
time
on
task
on
route
to
call
at
scene
of
call
on
route
to
hospital
in
in
hospital,
so
a
molest
travel
times
actually
into
in
the
past,
since
2011
they've
increased.
So
the
time
to
travel
is
from
it
as
you
as
you
go
as
you
well
aware,
specialty
centers
for
critical
patients
takes
it's
just
time
to
get
to
those
little
locations,
roads,
congestion,
construction,
all
impacts,
and
so
does
the
weather.
G
So
those
times
have
gradually
increased
at
scene
times.
Have
also
gone
up,
but
also
that's
a
that's
actually,
a
reflection
on
the
paramedic
scope
of
practice
increasing.
So
our
paramedics
now
complete
12,
lead,
ECG
rhythm
analysis
and
they've
also
increased
their
scope
when
it
comes
to
pain
management.
So
those
things
have
have
added
to
the
time
on
task
as
well
as
enroute
to
hospital
time
again
referring
to
critical
patients.
G
So
you
can
see
I've
highlighted
2014
in
red
in
2013
2014,
both
the
in
hospital
time
and
the
enroute
to
call
time
jumped
in
significantly
and
when
we
did
our
deep
dive
in
an
analysis
of
that,
the
biggest
impact
was
the
in
hospital
time
of
three
good
with
regards
to
transfer
of
care,
pre
transfer
of
care
time.
So
when
the
hospital
slows
down
on
transfer
of
care,
it
has
simple
it
had.
G
It
has
a
real
combination
of
impact
on
us
because
it
takes
the
paramedics
off
the
street
and
those
that
are
available
on
the
street
will
now
have
to
travel
further
distances.
So
that's
where
you
see
that
combination
of
time
at
the
in
hospital
on
route
to
call
has
jumped
and
the
key
piece
there
is
when
there's
less
ambulances
they
have
to
fought.
They
have
to
travel
further
to
a
call,
and
when
you
add
the
component
of
we
do
over
300,000
calls
a
few
minutes
to
a
call
makes
a
big
difference.
G
When
you
do
that,
when
you
do
the
math,
it's
all
all
bad
news
and
when
it
comes
to
offload
times,
we've
had
significant
work
with
the
hospitals
and
we
have
a
multiple
of
a
variety
of
mechanisms
and
working
groups
and
the
key
point
there
is
that
we've
reduced
our
three
hour
offload
delays
by
more
than
forty
four
percent.
During
this
period
of
time.
You
remember
back
in
the
mid
in
early
2000s,
we
were
on
the
offload
day
for
six
to
eight
hours.
G
We
frequently
I'm
a
communication
center
I
mentioned
earlier,
that
our
accredited
Center,
which
is
a
hundred
percent
funded
by
the
province,
is
also
experiencing
a
lot
of
pressures
and
they
have
not
seen
any
significant.
So
we
have
been
since
2013,
we
haven't
added
any
resource,
so
the
the
report
outlines
is
on
page
12
to
13
the
business
case
that
we'll
be
submitting
to
the
ministry,
and
that
is
something
that
will
will
be
an
important
component
to
our
dispatch
and
deploy
our
resources.
G
So
my
next
slide
speaks
to
the
growing
population
as
mentioned
earlier.
But
when
you
look
at
the
report
speaks
to
on
page
14
to
15,
it
actually
speaks
to
the
comparison
of
city
population
versus
our
calls.
Emergency
calls
per
capita,
and
it's
outpacing
that
which
is
a
real
real
problem
for
us.
In
terms
of
when
you
look
at
the
growth
that
we're
experiencing
again
then
yeah
this
the
component.
That
really
really
impacts
us
in
terms
of
these
volume.
G
There's
no
doubt
that
it
also
plays
over
to
our
operational
support
side.
That's
why
this
report
is
a
systems
plan
and
you'll
see
components
that
that
line
up
with
that.
In
terms
of
why
we're
asking
for
so
the
methodology
that
we
use
to
determine
how
many
paramedics
that
we
need
I'm
gonna,
walk
you
through
the
process,
so
the
first
piece
talks
to
wow
the
number
of
calls
we
do
in
2018
and
the
percent
increase
in
call
volume
that
we
see
on
a
10-year
average.
G
So
when
you
do
the
math,
it
comes
out
that
we're
gonna
expect
to
do.
Thirteen
thousand
two
hundred
more
calls
this
year
next
life.
So
each
call
in
time
in
2018.
This
is
an
important
aspect.
Is
that
each
call
took
a
hundred
and
twenty-seven
minutes
to
complete
and
that's
90
percent
of
the
time?
So
it's
a
fairly
accurate
measure.
G
So
when
we
take
that
into
how
many
new
hours
do
we
need
to
meet
the
demand,
it's
simply
a
calculation
of
AZ
times
the
number
of
calls
times
the
time
to
come
up
with
the
number
of
hours,
additionally,
that
we
need
for
2019
and
that's
over
27,000
hours.
So
how
many
ambulances
are
we
required
to
support
that
27,000
plus
hours
when
ambulance
produces
8760
hours
and
we
simply
divide
that
into
the
27?
And
we
come
up
with
3.2
ambulances
and
how
many
paramedics
did
you
need
to
staff
an
ambulance,
24
365?
G
It
takes
18
paramedics
to
staff
one
truck
24
hours
a
day,
365
days
a
year,
so
how
many
paramedics
does
it
take
the
staff
to
3.2?
Well,
we
come
up
with
57
paramedic
teeth
FTEs.
So
that's
the
basis
of
our
of
our
staffing
methodology
for
the
request
and
it's
important
to
see
that
component
because
it
hasn't
been
published
that
way
before
in
terms
of
the
industry.
G
So
when
we
look
at
the
recommendation
that
the
report
provides
I
think
this
will
change
a
little
bit
now
with
the
recent
announcement,
but
the
bottom
line
is
we.
We
were
asked
to
put
together
a
system
plan
over
the
next
five
years,
and
the
key
piece
for
this
report
is
that,
each
year
at
budget
time
we
will
come
back
with
a
with
the
ask
because
it's
calculated
on
the
previous
year's
actuals.
So
it
is
fluid
and
dynamic
in
that
way,
and
it's
a
very
important
component
of
understanding
how
our
sector
works.
G
It's
a
growth
sector,
there's
no
way
around
that
component,
and
we
also
made
notes
and
we've
also
made
the
assumption
that
we'll
be
working
on
a
50/50
funding
allotment
for
land
ambulance
with
the
province.
So
that's
that's
the
reach.
The
presentation,
deputy
mayor
and
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Okay,.
A
B
You,
mr.
chairman
she's
just
got
the
time
on
task
there
on
route
to
call
looks
pretty
consistent
since
11:00
at
the
scene.
It's
gone
up
since
11:00.
Like
you
know
much,
you
can
do
it
on
the
scene.
Right
I
mean
that's
it's
kind
of
depending
on
the
incident
right,
but
that's
see.
Why
would
that
have
gone
up
since
2011
to
2018?
Is
it
just
numbered.
G
The
on-scene
time
the
paramedics
kill
state
has
increased,
so
the
paramedics
actually
remember.
This
is
a
provincial
governed
program,
so
a
paramedic
care
is
clinically
based
and
as
clinical
as
clinical
evidence
suggests,
new
interventions
or
new
things
that
paramedics
can
do.
We
introduce
them.
So
a
good
example
is
12,
lead,
ECG
rhythm
interpretation,
so
certain
types
of
heart
attacks,
those
are
the
stem
ease.
They
go
to
specific
centers
where
they
can
actually
put
a
stent
into
the
patient's
heart.
G
So
every
paramedic
in
Toronto
has
that
ability
to
analyze
that
type
of
patient
with
chest,
pain
or
whatever,
and
can
transport
them
directly
to
that
site.
So
it
takes
a
little
more
time
on
scene
to
actually
do
that
process,
but
the
time
gained
is
in
the
actual
transport
to
the
facility
to
save
their
life.
Another
aspect
of
that
is
the
analgesia.
We
provide
a
lot
of
pain
management
for
folks
because
they
have
demonstrated
that
early
management
of
pain
reduces
the
hospital
length
of
stay
yeah.
B
G
We
have
numerous
strategies
for
that,
so
the
first
one
is
the
province
supports
an
offload
nurse
program
and
that's
where
there's
dedicated
nurses
for
us
to
transfer
to
transfer
care
of
our
patients
straight
to
them
in
the
hospital.
The
other
component
is.
We
also
have
what's
called
a
working
group
that
has
every
emergency
chief
in
the
in
in
the
hospitals
that
meet.
We
leave
quarterly
and
we
actually
they
get
a
report
card
on
their
performance.
G
So
distribution
in
terms
of
how
we
distribute
patients
across
across
the
city
is
extremely
important
because
we
don't
want
to
clump
one
Hospital
geographically,
so
we
have
business
rules
in
a
in
a
in
a
computer
application
that
all
the
hospitals
have
agreed
to
that
provide
destination
decisions
for
paramedics
to
transport,
so
that
we
avoid
the
clumping
and
that's
why
you've
seen
the
long
offload
delays
reduced
significantly,
but
remember
the
offload
pressures
in
the
hospital.
It's
a
health
care
issue
and
it's
a
flow
issue
throughout
the
hospital
based
on
the
aging
population
and.
B
Going
to
the
call
demand
emergency
call,
demand,
increase,
I,
see
that
being
a
population
thing,
but
just
as
we
talk
about
people
walking
to
emergency
I
know
we
got
the
eHealth
now
adds
on.
You
know
trying
to
get
people
to
go
online
before
you
give
walk
into
a
hospital
when
the
when
the
9-1-1
call
comes
in
to
291.
B
G
So
that
the
regulations
are
quite
prescriptive,
so
if
you
place
a
call
to
9-1-1
and
it
becomes
to
our
center
because
there
could
be
a
medical
need,
we're
obligated
under
the
regulation
to
dispatch
an
ambulance.
However,
we've
been
in
working
with
the
province
on
updating
the
regulation,
so
that,
though,
the
alternate
methods
of
being
able
to
triage
those
press,
those
those
pay
those
cases.
G
Much
more
specific,
remember
it's
medical
risk
so
that
one
call
that
we
get
on
the
highway
that
one
unique
incident
it
may
have
seven
or
eight
calls
that
are
it
that
are
also
associated
with
that
one
they
could
be
driving
down.
So
we
have
to
answer
every
one
of
those
calls
make
sure
that
we
don't
have
another
patient
or
another
piece.
So
it's
really
about
medical
risk
and
what's
best
for
the
patient,
well
we're
getting
closer
to
providing
alternate
choices
for
patients.
We
do
do
that
now.
G
B
E
A
quick
question
about
getting
there
on
the
staffing
fees
V
the
announcement
because
it
looks
like
we
are
still
in
the
cost-sharing
business
I'm
wondering
if
there's
an
argument
to
be
made
or
if
it
ever
has
been
made.
Given
the
provincial
strategy,
this
government,
the
government
passed
to
help
people
aged
at
home
means
that
we
are
gonna.
We
are
going
to
possibly
save
on
long
term
care
facilities,
possibly
save
on
hospitals,
but
it
that
actually
is
more
pressure
for
you.
E
G
E
G
E
G
Get
a
palliative
care
call
or
somebody's
experiencing
the
death
and
dying
component
of
it.
We're
obligated
to
transport
any
feel
and
there's
programs
that
are
out
across
the
country
now
that
we
can
help
support
those
people
at
home
and
not
have
a
transport
to
the
edy,
so
we're
getting
their
sign.
So.
E
G
E
A
Reminds
council
Carroll
anyone
else
question?
Okay,
just
a
few
for
me
in
your
presentation,
you
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
increase
in
strokes
and
traumas,
and
doesn't
the
page
doesn't
have
a
page
number?
Is
it
number
four?
Okay,
let's
see
number
four
on
my
page,
but
maybe
it's
hidden
somewhere
so
gun
violence
with
respect
to
that
you
know,
is
that
reflected
in
trauma,
then
in
terms
of
the
increase.
It's.
G
A
combination
of
really
critical,
medically
ill
patients,
which
is
the
stroke
yeah
heart
attack
yes
trauma,
there's
also
some
of
the
opioid
overdose
patients
in
there.
So
this
year
alone
we
saw
in
April
we
saw
more
patients
from
opioid
overdoses,
I
might
believe.
The
number
jumped
from
thirty
five
and
twenty
eighteen
to
sixty
eight
from
January
in
the
first
quarter
of
this
year,
so
we're
seeing
more
of
those
those
those
types
of
patients
to
contribute,
but
the
trauma
component
in
terms
of
the
city,
large
metropolitan
city.
A
A
Notwithstanding
that
fact,
you
still
have
the
data
that
suggests
what
the
call
demands
are
delay
and
the
impact
of
that.
If,
in
fact,
we
don't
proceed
in
a
timely
fashion
as
it
relates
to
this
report
that
really
seeks
to
put
in
place
a
systematic
order
terms
of
an
annualized
basis,
what
the
investment
requirements
are
and
what
that
impact
isn't.
So
for
the
number
of
people
that
you
bring
into
the
system
to
relieve
the
overall
pressure
and
stress
and
so
on
on
the
team.
A
Now
that's
exactly
right,
and
so
you
also
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
WSB.
You'll
have
60
staff,
that's
actually
off
at
any
one
time
or
is
it
the
60
staff?
That's
off
now,
that's
courtesy
of
aides.
That's
currently
off
right
now,
right
and
so
what
has
been
the
is
at
the
highest
level
of
staffing.
That's
been
off
on
WSIB,
we.
A
G
Under
the
legislation
they
don't
they're,
the
WSIB
will
provide
them
benefits.
Yes,
so
the
key
piece
for
us
is
to
make
sure
that
they
access
those
clinical
specialists
for
this
care,
and
that
is
a
bit
of
a
challenge
so
because
of
the
increase
in
the
numbers,
the
clinical
side
of
the
sort
of
the
social
silk-like
size
of
the
psychological
support
is
a
bit
less
than
adequate.
A
You
introduce
when
you're,
making
introduction
of
your
senior
team.
You
also
talk
about
four
one:
six,
which
is
the
union
that
represents
the
workers
in
the
membership
group.
So
tell
me
about
that
relationship.
How
you've
all
worked
together
to
address
this
fundamental
problem,
that's
in
the
paramedic
services,
so.
G
Four
one:
six
have
we've
introduced
with
four
one:
six,
a
number
of
working
groups,
so
working
groups
are
very
important
because
we
hear
the
input
from
the
staff,
so
the
working
groups
are
focused
on
new
shift
schedules.
We
have
returned
to
work
strategies
that
involve
four
one:
six,
which
are
really
important.
We
work
with
them
on
end
a
shift
over
time,
as
well
as
meal
break
ideas
and
processes.
G
They're
involved
in
our
health
and
safety
to
identify
new
equipment,
they're
also
involved
in
a
lot
of
our
activities
on
a
regular
go-forward
basis.
We've
done
breakfast
meetings
with
staff
to
get
input.
We
provide
quarterly
newsletters
to
staff,
as
well
as
an
annual
report,
so
there
are
key
key
computer
keep
stakeholder
in
our
business.
Okay,
great.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
A
The
aging
population
that
that
exists
within
the
context
of
our
city
you've
indicated
that
40
percent
of
the
call
volume
that
is
done
by
you,
your
organization,
that's
of
the
province
right
and
because
this
is
the
big
city
here
I
mean
you
talk
which
I
made
notes
of
this,
because
this
is
really
important
to
me.
You
talk
about
business.
A
You
don't
want
to
worry
about
the
money.
You
don't
want
about
worry
about
the
staffing
and
you
want
to
ensure
when
a
staff
person
comes
to
help
you
that
they're
not
under
great
degree
of
duress
or
stress
themselves,
trying
to
help
the
public
because
of
the
service
that
is
required
so
on
so
I'm
really
happy
that
were
able
to
look
at
this.
A
We
know,
through
your
report,
you're
talking
about
the
continued
increase
of
the
four
percent
increase
with
respect
to
you
know
the
emergency
calls
and
one
of
those
are
a
mom
calling
or
a
parent
calling
about
a
child
who
is
having
some
type
of
medical
emergency
and
there's
a
need
for
response
in
our
society.
We
can
ill
afford
not
to
provide
the
adequate
services
to
ensure
that
the
residents
are
given
the
appropriate
care.
A
A
No,
no,
no
we're
good!
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much,
we're
good.
So
all
those
in
favor
pose
that's
carried.
Thank
you!
Okay.
Members.
Our
next
item
is
time
to
I.
Did
is
ec
5.4
but
I've
been
asked
by
staff
if
we
could
deal
with
EC
5.6
because
of
staff
members
to
attend
and
I
guess
another
matter
and
this
and
it
should
be
quick
party?
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
Else
afford,
while
you
were
out
the
room,
we
had
decided
to
deal
with
EC
five
point:
six,
his
staff
have
got
to
go
elsewhere,
so
we're
just
gonna
vary
the
agenda
quickly,
so
we
are
going
to
just
move
the
motion
to
vary
the
agenda
to
deal
with
EC
five
point:
six
instead
of
EC
point
five
point:
four,
which
is
supporting
survivors,
human
trafficking
and
so
we'll
deal
with.
Then
whence
members
approve
this,
the
Paulette
skate
exchange
program
and
scape
lending
by
city
operated,
rinks
and
so
on.
A
D
Thank
you
very
much
mr.
chair,
and
to
be
very
brief.
All
I
want
to
do
with
this
item
is
thank
staff
for
their
continued
to
work
on
this
particularly
I
know
a
couple
years
ago,
or
it
could
be
last
year
years
are
flying
by
at
one
point,
I
know
working
with
actually
councillor
Fletcher,
because
I
know
Chancellor
flats
are
also
very
much
cared
about.
This
is
looking
at
opportunities
to
connect
different
recreation
opportunities
in
the
city
in
this
particular
being
hockey
and
I.
D
Think
we
all
I,
think
know
and
appreciate
in
this
room
the
cost
of
hockey
and
skating
in
particular,
being
an
expensive
sport.
So
what
we
endeavoured
to
do
was
to
connect
to
communities
on
a
state
exchange
program
which
I
from
my
understanding,
went
very
well
and
moving
forward,
having
staffs
commitment
for
this
next
winter
as
well,
and
he's
very
reassuring
and
great,
so
I
look
forward
to
the
program
happening
again
this
year
and
partnering
with
some
of
our
big
stakeholders
and
communion
our
city
to
have
this
happen
once
again.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Okay,.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Cows
afford
any
further
speakers
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
was
okay,
that's
carried
the
items.
Items
approved
all
right,
so
we
are
now
moving.
Two
speakers
on
supporting
survivors
of
human
trafficking.
I
have
the
first
speakers,
I
and
I'm,
hoping
that
I
can
pronounce
this
name
property,
but
it
looks
like
GTA,
satriani
I'm,
run
from
f
CJ
refugee
center
and
is
also
lilo
loli.
Loli
Rico
is
that
yourself,
members,
okay,
so
you're
both
together
and
your
GG,
okay,
okay,
great,
are
your
speaking
independently
or
together,
miss
being
together.
A
So
you,
okay,
fair
enough.
I
will
then
start
your
time
and
welcome
just
so
that
it's
really
clear
you
have
so
between
the
two
of
you.
You
really
have
ten
minutes
right,
and
so
you
can
exercise
that
and
utilize.
Your
full
ten
minutes,
there's
a
clock
to
your
left.
It
will
show
when
we
arrive
on
the
ten
minutes.
You
don't
have
to
use
a
ten
if
you
don't
need
to,
but
you're
welcome
to
do
that
when
you
are
through-
and
this
is
for
everyone-
that's
here.
This
is
your
first
time
here.
A
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
go
through
run
of
show
if
a
well
when
you're,
through
speaking
at
the
10-minute
mark,
we
will
stop
and
then
we
will
ask
members
of
the
committee
if
there
are
any
visiting
counselors
who
may
come
to
us
if
they
wish
to
ask
you
questions
it's
their
prerogative
to
ask
your
questions
or
not,
and
if
they
do,
they
will
also
have
five
minutes
to
ask
you
questions
and
you
can
response.
Unfortunately,
you're
not
allowed
to
ask
them
questions.
A
They
are
the
ones
who
are
able
to
ask
you
question
in
you
respond
as
best
as
you
can
and,
as
you
think,
is
appropriate.
So
welcome
very
much
to
this
committee
and
I
will,
if
you
are
ready
to
go,
I
will
then
start
your
time
and
again,
as
I
said,
I
direct
your
attention
to
the
left
where
the
timer
is
says
all
zeros
now,
but
you
will
be
at
ten
when
we
will
ask
you
to
conclude.
Okay
thank.
A
H
Thank
you
for
letting
us
to
comment
and
present
and
I.
Wanna
split
speak
a
little
bit
of
who
we
are
the
fcj
refugee
center.
We
are
a
nonprofit
organization
that
we
have
28
years
working
with
refugees,
but
also
with
the
people
who
are
at
risk
do
their
immigration
status,
and
we
are
here
because
we
have
a
program
that
is
related
to
auntie
human
trafficking,
and
we
have
been
seeing
victim
of
human
trafficking
since
2002,
and
we
have
seen
cases
either
on
the
sexual
exploitation
or
labor
exploitation.
Since
then,
we
have
been
very
involved
in
the.
H
When
was
the
first
and
the
City
of
Toronto
passed
emotion
on
counter
human
trafficking,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
been
doing
is
that
we
found
with
other
50
organizations
a
network
which
is
the
Toronto
County
human
trafficking
network,
and
in
that
we
are
what
we
have
been
doing
means
try
to
work
together
on
training.
We
were
doing
training,
especially
with
the
municipality
license
and
doing
training
on
the
what
is
awareness
on
human
trafficking
and
on
that
know,
we
have
been
working
in
the
last
year
in
all
Ontario
the
fcj.
H
We
have
been
seeing
more
than
a
hundred
people
that
have
been
victim
of
human
trafficking,
mainly
of
them
labor
exploitation.
We
have
50
more
than
15
cases
that
have
been
on
labor
exploitation
here
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
and
we
we
wanna
come
and
talk
to.
You
is
about
the
recommendations
in
the
recommendations
you
are
talking
about.
The
average
model,
which
is,
is
a
need
to
do
outreach,
but
in
the
average
model
we-
and
even
though
say
that
is
in
consultation
with
the
stakeholders
we
are
looking
at.
H
What
we
are
recommending
is
that
the
outreach
model
has
to
do
serious
stuff
and
the
civil
society
organization
that
we
have
the
expertise
on
working
with
human
trafficking,
and
the
other
is
that
I
wanna
bring
that
the
Irish
model
is
focused
on
sexual
exploitation,
which
is
it's
very
limited.
What
they
are
doing
with
the
series?
Labor
exploitation
is
happening
in
the
city
and
if
we
are
looking
at
the
original
has
to
do
it
on
the
labor.
H
Just
to
tell
you,
we
saw
15
people
during
this
year
in
my
organization
that
we
are
grassroot
organization
without
awareness,
we
need
to
start
bringing
the
awareness
on
labor
exploitation
in
this
city
to
go
to
the
hotels,
but
not
just
to
look
that
there
is.
Someone
is
plot
sexual
exploiting
the
hotel's.
What
is
happening
with
the
people
that
is
cleaning
hotel?
They
are
very
well
paid
to
go
to
nail
salons
in
these
services.
H
Most
of
the
cases
that
we
have
there
are
coming
people
that
they
have
been
in
the
service
in
the
food
in
the
restaurants,
and
in
that
case
we
need
to
do
that.
Awareness,
I
wanna.
Also,
my
colleague
Chitra
is
going
to
talk
on
the
holistic
approach,
but
I
wanna,
because
I'm
seeing
the
time
I
wanna,
also
to
bring
about
the
online
training
that
is
going
to
be,
has
to
be
that
online
training
on
the
tips
and
I
to
look
on
the.
What
is
the
situation
of
trafficking
on
the
label?
H
And
one
of
the
elements
is
not
just
an
irate
rain
rain
rain
forced
to
you,
because
we
have
been
doing
and
we
are
have
materials
that
we
give
it
to
the
workers,
is
that
civil
society
has
to
be
the
one
doing
the
average
and
to
support
with
the
support
of
tea
city.
Because
when
the
series
to
the
places
they
already
say,
they
don't
feel
comfortable
to
speak
up
because
they
see
them
as
authority.
The
other
is
that
the
model
has
to
also
to
comply
with
the
other
motions
that
the
city
has
access
without
fear.
H
Many
of
the
the
workers
are
people
without
status
and,
in
that
case,
in
the
online
training
has
to
be
the
component
of
immigration
and
also
the
company
to
identify
to
the
with
with
the
person
in
the
tips
not
to
look
at
in
the
enforcement.
That's
what
I'm
I
am
really
a
pushing
to
you.
The
other
is
that
I
will
wanna
pass.
My
five
minutes
finish
to
my
colleague
Jake
thank.
I
You
thank
you
again
for
allowing
us
to
speak
I'd
like
to
speak
on
holistic
services.
Something
I
appreciate.
Reading
in
the
report
is
I
mention
on
immigration
status
and
that
many
without
status
have
difficulty
accessing
services
because
of
fear,
and
that
is
a
big
reality,
and
so
we
want
to
continue
or
we
want
to
ensure
that
the
city
continues
to
maintain
the
sanctuary
city
policy
and
really
put
it
into
practice
and
with
that
regard,
when
speaking
about
holistic
service
is
to
ensure
that
immigration
is
a
key
component
of
one
of
those
services.
I
In
that
regard,
we
also
want
to
bring
in
international
cases
we
work
with
many
migrant
workers
who
come
here
to
work
who
end
up
somehow
falling
in
out
of
status
and
also
end
up
being
in
the
situation
of
labor
trafficking.
But
with
that
regard,
we
have
been
helping
those
without
immigration
status,
obtain
a
temporary
resident
permit
from
immigration
which
allows
them
to
have
some
form
of
temporary
status
while
trying
to
navigate
this
this
whole
process.
I
I
And
we
want
to
ensure
that,
when
the
supports
are
being
provided
and
also
that
when
the
community-based
support
team
is
doing
their
work
in
raising
awareness
and
providing
supports
and
referrals
that
they
utilize
an
intersectional
lens
when
doing
so
because
survivors
of
human
trafficking
are
very
diverse
and
it's
really
important
that
lens
is
used
in
supporting
them.
I
know.
H
What
just
to
finish
with
us
is
that
we,
you
have
already
a
network
that
you
can
come
and
we
can
work
together
and
we
can
prepare
that
average
model.
When
our
network,
we
did
the
mother
a
response
model
when
we
are
starting
2013
and
also
we
were
involved
in
the
elaboration
of
the
helpline
that
it
is
West
City
Toronto,
now
its
provincial,
and
in
that
case
we
are
here
to
work
and
also,
if
you
can
focus
on
the
labor
as
well.
A
A
J
Everyone
thank
you
two
City
Council
members
and
two
staff
for
having
me
here
today.
My
name
is
Jenny
Duffy
and
I
am
from
Maggie's
Toronto
sex
workers,
Action
project
for
those
of
you
who
may
not
be
familiar
with
our
program.
We
are
a
community-based
organization
and
our
focus
is
on
delivering
support
and
harm
reduction
supplies
to
sex
working
populations.
J
So
we
are
the
oldest
sex
worker
run
organization
in
Canada,
and
we
also
advocate
for
the
safety
and
dignity
of
sex
workers.
So
I
want
to
start
by
acknowledging
the
great
job
that
the
city
staff
have
done
in
creating
a
report
that
appropriately
draws
the
distinction
between
sex
work
and
human
trafficking.
J
This
report
also
captures
the
harmful
implications
that
anti
trafficking
initiatives
involving
increased
surveillance
and
attempts
to
rescue
sex
workers
have
on
sex
working
populations
and
particularly
racialized
workers,
who,
due
to
stereotypes,
are
subject
to
questioning
raids
and
deportation
as
an
organization
so
Maggie's
that
advocates
for
the
safety
and
dignity
of
sex
workers.
We
would
be
pleased
to
continue
working
with
city
staff
to
help
that
the
distinction
between
sex
working
and
human
trafficking,
which
the
city
so
well
articulated
in
the
report.
J
We
would
like
to
help
them
to
be
able
to
integrate
that
into
their
strategy
program
so
that
that
distinction
is
then
reflected
in
their
approach
to
communities.
So
we
would
do
this
through
consultation,
and
we
would
help
develop
a
strategy
that
effectively
offers
support
to
human
trafficking
victims,
while
not
compromising
the
safety
and
security
of
sex
working
populations
who,
as
a
result
of
the
industry
being
criminalized
stigmatized,
are
already
marginalized.
J
So
right
now,
the
city
staffs
recommendations
proposes
an
outreach
into
workplaces
in
which
people
may
be
at
risk
of
trafficking.
So
our
concern
is
the
adverse
effect
that
an
authority
figure
such
as
city
staff
or
even
someone
who's
simply
going
into
work,
is
looking
for
human
trafficking,
the
the
adverse
effects
that
that
poses
on
workers,
including
trafficking
victims,
who
may
be
placed
in
further
jeopardy
as
a
result
of
being
questioned
and
as
a
result
of
someone's
presence
looking
and
you
know,
searching
them
out.
J
So
the
purpose
of
the
cities
report
is
to
provide
support
to
human
trafficking.
However,
due
to
the
criminalize
and
stigmatize
position
of
sex
work,
someone
coming
in
to
check
in
on
workers
and
their
workplaces,
it
often
causes
workers
to
feel
afraid
that
they're
gonna
be
treated
like
criminals,
because
those
who
are
being
trafficked
in
the
sex
industry
they're
still
there
they're
still
working
in
a
criminalized
industry.
So
it's
quite
scary
when
someone
comes
in
and
asks
questions
and
even
safer
sex
workers.
Someone
comes
to
you
and
asked:
are
you
okay?
J
As
someone
making
you
do
this,
while
that
may
sound
like
a
nice,
helpful
question
that
actually
adds
to
the
stigma
and
it
actually
discourages
workers
from
accessing
services?
So
it
ends
up
having
the
opposite
of
what
this
strategy
is
aiming
to
do,
which
is
encouraging
vulnerable
populations
to
access
services.
J
So,
for
these
reasons,
Maggie
supports
a
motion
that
we
submitted
and
it's
a
motion
that
butterfly
also
submitted
where
we
are
suggesting
amendments
that,
rather
than
outreach
into
workplaces,
this
did
the
city
should
provide
outreach
to
community
organizations
and
in
consultation
with
sex
workers
and
migrant
workers
and
trafficking
survivors,
and
that
they
should
support
those
community
organizations
that
already
have
trusting
relationships
with
vulnerable
populations
to
be
able
to
provide
those
supports,
and
the
city
is
already
funding
these
initiatives
at
Maggie's.
We
have
a
peer
outreach
project.
J
A
E
Are
you
not
concerned
that
that,
if,
if,
if
we're
not,
if
we're
not
a
part
of
the
outreach
that
you
still
have
a
situation
where
your
peer
workers,
organizations
like
yourself
have
an
understanding,
but
but
if,
if
we're
not
sending
our
city
workers
out
to
be
part
of
the
outreach
they
don't,
you
know,
we
don't
end
up
with
the
team
that
truly
embraces
the
approach
that
you
want
us
to
take,
because
it
because
they
haven't
got
that
exposure
is
how
do
we
address
that?
We're
not
in
the
outreach
I
think.
J
That's
a
completely
reasonable
concern
and
that's
why
we're
recommending
the
consultation
piece,
sex
work,
organizations,
human
trafficking,
survivors,
migrant
workers
would
be
working
with
city
staff
in
a
more
collaborative
approach,
and
this
collaborative
approach
would
be
about
okay.
How
do
we
help
human
trafficking
victims
without
harming
sex
workers?
So
it's
not
that
the
city
staff
would
be
out
of
the
picture,
but
it
wouldn't
be
a
city
staff
person
who's,
doing
the
outreach
into
into
workplaces,
but
it
could
look
like
city
staff
going
to
community
organizations
with
with
resources
for
them.
Does
that
answer
your
question?
J
E
Answers
the
questions,
I'm
not
sure,
I'm,
all
the
way
there
yet
okay,
yeah
Massa,
Moore
I,
want
to
ask
a
question.
It
touches
on
your
deputation,
but
I
think
I
need
to
hear
some
more
on
this.
The
issue
of
the
Toronto
Police
Service
having
their
own
unit.
Just
really
today's
focus
is
on
how
we
help
survivors.
So
we're
not
talking
about
them
a
lot,
but
damn
you
you,
you
did
speak
of
integration
between
your
agencies
and
us
I'm
concerned
and
I've
spoken
to
staff
about
there's
no
integration
there
for
clear.
E
You
know
an
assurance
for
me
that
we're
all
on
the
right
track:
there's
no
integration
between
our
planning
and
training
and
the
police's
planning
and
training
such
as
what
I
saw
in
the
Montreal
model
when
I
visited
it.
So
are
you
is
your
organization
confident
when
they
say
they
now
have
a
human
trafficking
unit
and
they're
they're
there
they're
training
on
it
in
their
annual
training.
Do
they
access
your
organization
so
that
they
have
a
survivor
component
to
their
training
or
they
are
they
working?
We
do
the
Toronto
Police
Service.
We.
J
A
K
K
My
name
is
Emily
Vander
Molen
and
I'm.
An
associate
professor
in
the
Department
of
Criminology
at
Ryerson
I've,
been
studying
sex
work
and
human
trafficking.
For
just
about
15
years
now,
I've
conducted
a
number
of
empirical
studies
on
the
topic,
including
research
that
has
engaged
migrant
sex
workers,
indigenous
sex
workers,
drug
using
sex
workers,
sex
workers
who
are
in
prison,
Street
based
workers,
indoor
workers,
outdoor
workers,
escorts
dancers
and
so
on.
K
I
also
conduct
research
in
the
areas
of
survey,
studies,
drug
policy
and
prisons,
so
I
want
to
use
my
five
minutes
or
what's
remaining
of
them,
to
share
a
couple
of
thoughts,
echoing
a
little
bit
of
what
was
just
presented
for
Maggie's
on
how
the
city
can
best
support
people
who
are
experiencing
violence,
coercion
or
exploitative
conditions
in
the
sex
industry.
So
the
first
thing
the
city
needs
to
do
I
would
suggest
is
to
support
the
already
ongoing
activities
of
sex
worker
run
organizations.
K
So
it's
important
to
stress
here
that
these
organizations
should
be
made
up
of
current
sex
workers,
not
or
sex
workers
or
people
who
have
worked
in
the
industry
decades
or
years
ago.
Who
now
may
be
quite
removed
from
the
current
realities
of
what's
actually
happening
in
the
industry,
so
this
was
also
stated
in
the
Maggie's
presentation
that
these
organizations
are
best
positioned
to
eradicate
harmful,
abusive
or
exploitative
conditions,
because
they
are
people
who
are
themselves
working
within
the
industry
and
can
identify
these
exact
conditions.
K
So
this
should
not
then
be
a
city
determined,
specialized
support,
team
or
anti
trafficking
police
forces.
It
really
needs
to
be
people
who
have
insider
knowledge
and
which
sex
workers
do
and
can
actually
then
conduct
really
effective
outreach
strategies
and
programs
where
non
sex
workers,
especially
police
or
city
personnel,
would
not
be
welcomed.
K
There's
a
level
of
trust
and
mutuality
that
creates
a
comfortable
environment
for
other
sex
workers
to
be
able
to
disclose,
if
they're,
in
a
problematic
or
precarious
situation,
I
see
from
one
of
the
appendices
in
the
City
report
that
the
city
has
indeed
provided.
Resources
to
organizations
like
butterfly
and
Maggie's,
and
certainly
this
type
of
resource
support
should
continue.
That's
quite
valuable
and
I
think
very
important.
Next,
the
city
also
needs
to
develop
a
very
clear
labor
rights
framework
and
support
the
full
decriminalization
of
the
sex
industry.
K
So
the
most
successful
example
of
this
has
been
in
New
Zealand,
which
decriminalized
sex
work
back
in
2003,
there's
still
much
room
for
improvement,
even
within
this
decriminalized
context,
but
what
New
Zealand
did
was
passed,
a
federal
law
that
quote
promotes
the
welfare
and
occupational
health
and
safety
of
sex
workers.
End
quote
rather
than
drawing
on
a
criminal
law
framework
and
mechanisms
like
we
do
here.
K
In
Canada,
the
federal
government
in
New
Zealand
adopted
a
labor
framework
and
actively
worked
with
the
country's
national
sex
worker
rights
organisations
to
develop
employment
and
public
health
policies
that
would
benefit
sex
workers
and
their
clients.
That's
been
really
important
in
the
decade
and
a
half
since
decriminalization
has
happened
in
New
Zealand
sex
workers.
There
have
reported
increased
occupational
benefits
and
in
key
and
increased
control
over
their
work.
K
These
include
improvements
to
their
safety
and
in
their
relationships
with
police
officers,
a
greater
ability
to
demand
condom
usage
with
clients,
lower
rates
of
sexually
transmitted
infections
and
better
access
to
sexual
health
services.
So
if
it
followed
this
approach,
the
City
of
Toronto
would
also
be
reinforcing
and
reinvigorating
its
access
without
fear
policy,
instead
of
constantly
trying
to
unsuccessfully
address
problematic
conditions
through
over
policing
and
under
protection
of
marginalised
communities
under
the
guise
of
anti
trafficking.
K
So
we
now
have
decades
of
scholarly
research
that
shows
anti
trafficking
policy
and
programming,
especially
those
that
focus
exclusively
on
the
sex
trade,
which
is
what
the
City
report
does.
It
focuses
exclusively
on.
The
sex
trade
causes
considerable
more
harm
than
help
to
the
very
people
who
are
meant
to
be
supported,
so
this
reality
right.
That
is,
that
anti
trafficking
approaches
are,
in
fact
harmful,
has
been
borne
out
in
the
literature
and
in
practice.
Time
and
time
again,
there's
no
question
about
it.
K
Even
quite
well,
meaning
anti
trafficking
programming
often
comes
with
a
host
of
unintended
problematic
consequences.
We
know
this,
so
why
not
look
to
best
practice
approaches
like
supporting
sex
worker
organizations
to
continue
the
important
work
they're
doing,
ensuring
labor
rights
and
protections
are
afforded
to
all
workers,
but
certainly
especially
those
who
might
be
experiencing
problematic
or
precarious
conditions
and
complete
decriminalization
of
the
industry
so
that
when
and
if
people
need
or
want
state
intervention
or
protection,
they
can
get
that
support
without
the
fear
of
criminal
sanctions
towards
themselves,
their
co-workers.
Their
five.
A
E
Just
a
quick
question
in
in
the
work
on
the
issue
at
ryerson:
have
you
delve
deeply
into
to
the
the
police
approach
because
I
this
report?
Well,
the
survivors
said
before
we
tend
to
be
completely
separate
there
and
there
was
a
motion
years
ago
moved
here
under
a
different
chair
about
the
city
completely
completely
supporting
the
D
criminal
that
never
really
came
back
to
my
memory
so
because
I
think
it
was
close
to
election
time
when
it
was
when
it
was
moved
and
sometimes
those
things
just
sort
of
slide
away.
E
So
I'm
wondering
at
that
time
we
were
sort
of
we
were.
We
were
moving
towards.
Our
approach
needs
to
integrate
with
the
Toronto
Police
Services
approach
so
that
we
do
know,
as
jenny
was
saying,
that
we're
all
on
the
same
page
with
our
training
and
their
training
did
ryerson
delve
deeply
into
there.
The
the
police
approach,
the.
K
City,
so
I
have
not
conducted
direct
research
on
the
police
approach
to
this
specific
you
know
there
anti-trafficking
efforts.
Oh
I
can't
speak
to
that
directly.
Okay
I
was
aware
too,
as
well
that
the
City
of
Toronto
did
pass
a
motion
to
support
decriminalization
of
sex
I've,
actually
never
even
seen
the
actual
text
of
that
motion.
K
It
seems
to
have
heart
hard
to
come
by,
but
if
City
Council
was
actually
able
to
find
that
motion
and
to
enter
reinstate,
they'd
support
a
full
decriminalization
I
think
that
would
be
a
tremendous
advocacy
tool
to
actually
helping
to
stop
and
to
be
able
to
implement
labor
rights
and
protections.
It.
E
A
A
It'll
be
helpful
because
I
think
all
of
these
material
could
be
brought
in
for
consideration
with
the
work
that
our
staff
will
be
doing
ongoing.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
I
know
that
the
clerk
member
will
come
to
you
in
a
moment:
Eileen
Lam,
butterfly
Asian
and
migrant
sex
workers.
Support
network
miss
lemon.
A
Thank
you.
You'll
have
five
minutes,
please.
Let
me
know
when
you're
ready,
I
just
also
want
to
remind
members
who
are
here
to
speak.
We
do
have
a
time
to
item
at
12:00,
so
we
may
step
this
item
down
in
order
to
accommodate
that
time
on
them.
It's
a
timed
item,
so
I
just
want
to
let
you
know,
but
we
will
proceed
to
allow
you
the
time
allotted
to
allow
you
to
speak
and
to
give
you
a
presentation.
You
may
begin.
Okay,.
F
Thank
you
so
I'm
Ellen
Lam,
the
executive
director
of
butterfly,
which
is
a
Asian
and
migrant
sex
workers,
support
network
organized
by
and
for
sex
worker
community.
We
have
contact
more
than
two
thousand
workers.
In
last
five
years
we
had
a
defender
of
safety
and
human
rights
of
the
sex
worker.
We
are
working
with
the
community
to
stop
violence
exploitation,
including
trafficking.
We
are
the
expert
on
the
policy.
We
know
what
is
helpful
and
what
is
harmful.
So
we
are
open
to
working
with
City
to
develop
the
surgery.
How
to
protect
the
workers.
F
I
would
really
highly
appreciate
the
effort
of
the
staff
to
listen
to
the
voices
when
they
prepare
the
report
and
their
highlight
of
importance
of
differentiates
and
sex
work
and
trafficking.
That
is
very
important
that
knowledge
it
will
increase
the
surveillance,
dignity
station
and
criminalization
of
sex
work.
The
policy
also
should
not
increase
vulnerability
of
the
sex
worker.
So
in
the
last
few
years
we
have
more
than
25
and
migrants,
Expo
capping,
arrest
and
eating
and
deported
under
the
anti-trafficking
initiative.
F
So
we
really
want
to
stop
the
anti-trafficking
initiative,
become
the
anti
migrant
and
and
his
sex
work
policy.
Today
we
are
proposing
the
feel
small
change,
so
that
is
proposed
by
Maggie,
also
so
that
we
really
hope
that
to
work
with
city
to
and
to
have
their
strategies
to
better
support
the
community.
F
So
we
suggest
that
city
should
not
only
focus
the
help
to
the
sex
worker,
but
also
add
a
migrant
one
of
the
workers
told
us
that
before
I
work
in
this
business,
I
work
12
hours
per
day
and
I
have
only
get
like
seven
hours
per
hour
in
a
factory
now
I
have
better
income
I'm,
not
traffic
victim
I,
don't
want
to
have
my
privacy
being
infringed.
I
don't
want
to
get
any
trouble,
no
matter,
they
are
friendly
or
not.
I,
don't
want
city
staff
or
law
enforcement
come
to
my
place.
F
Just
like
you,
don't
want
the
police
not
at
all,
and
to
ask
you
whether
you
are
abused
by
your
husband
or
like
your
partner,
so
that
we
really
want
to
see.
There
is
some
way
that
we
can
adjust
an
easel.
Of
course,
it
is
important
to
consider
how
to
reach
out
that
community.
They
are
at
risk
of
trafficking.
As
what
Maggie
mentioned,
there
is
already
a
lots
of
community
organization
like
Maggie's,
butterfly
and
also
workers,
Action,
Center
and
city
and
city.
Oh,
they
already
build.
The
trust
relationship
with
the
community.
F
Here
is
the
flier
so
the
how
to
help
the
worker
help
themselves.
So,
instead
of
having
the
staff
to
come
to
the
workplace,
we
can
be
more
effective.
How
to
work
with
the
organization
develop
the
model,
because
the
city
really
want
the
information
and
really
want
the
people
get
helped
if
they
want
so
how
we
can
develop
the
model
tool
to
address
that
and
then
so
that
we
also
need
to
know
that
how
to
have
the
anti-discrimination
policy
against
the
sex
worker.
F
That
is
very
important
so
that
we
are
also
suggesting
like
to
involve
people,
equity,
Human,
Rights
Division
in
this
whole,
in
the
anti-trafficking
policy
to
make
sure
that
is
anti-racist
and
make
sure
all
the
measure
in
non-discrimination.
So
we
also
want
the
city
continues
to
uphold,
assess
without
fear
policy
make
all
the
people
with
the
document.
Also.
Can
assess
like
the
city
support?
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,.
E
Yes
and
because
I
think
you
you
just
got
to
the
heart
of
the
matter
that
that
that
is
a
real
stumbling
block
in
the
approach.
The
reason
I
keep
asking
the
questions
about
police
is
that
sort
of
my
background
is
the
discussion
we
had
back
when
I
was
on
the
police
board
and
when
we
took
a
police
officer
with
us
to
the
to
view
the
Montreal
model.
That
was
a
little
more
integrated
than
this.
E
That
was
a
big
learning
for
them
was
that
you
could
be
a
migrant
person
and
you
could
choose
sex
work
mm-hmm,
and
so
they
they
had
them
speak
to
survivors,
but
they
also
had
them
speak
to
sex
workers.
We're
not
survivors,
it's
a
choice
and
and
and
also
had
them,
speak
to
outside
the
stereotype
and
racial
bias
that
surrounds
this.
So
there
were
three
different
scenarios,
and,
and
each
of
them
was
eye-opening
to
them,
but
the
one
that
you
mentioned
is
really
important
here.
E
F
So
that
we
have
been
trying
to
contact
them
like
anti-trafficking
team,
so
but
they
said
that
like
sex
is
not
trafficking,
so
that
like
because
we
have
a
woman
being
murder,
we
are
trying
to
contact
them
so
that
we
we
can
like
at
the
content,
and
we
are
not
being
like
involved
in
any
training
so
that
we
would
love
to
have
like
involved
in
this
kind
of
training
to
make
them
to
have
like
the
sex
work,
sensitive
and
differentiate,
sex
and
trafficking.
The.
E
People
developing
their
training
and
we've
got
to
avoid
this
in
our
city.
Training,
which
is
the
subject
of
this
report,
is
there's
the
sensitivity
around
no
we're
not
talking
about
sex
work,
we're
talking
about
about
trafficking,
which
is
different,
but
they're,
not
understanding
that
often
there
is
in
this
perception
that
happens
here
and
that's
where
all
the
problems
I've.
So
he
does.
They
do
still
need
to
be
talking
to
you
to
understand.
There
are
times
when
we
don't
need
you
to
step
in
with
it.
Yeah.
F
And
and
I
also
saw
that
in
butterfly
last
few
years
we
have
Lisa
Pan
members.
They
have
different
issues
to
contact
a
law
enforcement,
but
at
the
end
they
are
giving
the
warning
you're
not
allowed
to
work
anymore
so
that
they
also
give
the
warning
that
we
call
CPS
a
and
later
on.
There
will
be
a
story
to
tell
you
there.
She
is
working
in
Toronto.
F
The
anti
trafficking
initiative
become
an
up
she's
being
arrest
because
the
CPS
and
the
police
call
CPS
a
so
that's
why
I
think
that
we
would
love
to
involve
in
any
training,
but
I
think
we
also
want
to
emphasize
and
the
unwanted
contact
between
the
law,
enforcement
or
city
staff.
We
make
the
people
more
dangerous,
because
what
we
see
is
people
will
work
more
underground
before
they
are
more
open
to
work
with
us
and
open
the
door
when
we
reach
them,
because
they
have
the
trust.
F
But
when
there
is
a
lot
of
city
staff
or
law
investment
come
in,
they
may
push
more
underground.
They
avoid
to
contact
like
other
people,
so
that
if
this
is
a
good
intention,
but
we
don't
want
to
result
in
like
the
people,
it's
more
vulnerable.
So
that's
why
we
really
appreciate
the
report
from
the
staff
emphasize
not
conflating
sex
were
in
trafficking,
not
only
city.
Stop.
The
police
also
need
to
know
that
they
also
need
to
know
all
the
policies
should
not
increase
the
vulnerability
of
the
worker.
F
So
that's
why
we
are
proposing,
like
the
alternative.
We
are
willing
to
work
with
the
city
staff
to
see
how
we
can
develop
the
measure,
because
we
really
see
the
eager
City
want
to
reach
out
and
marginalize,
and
we
can
become
the
bridge
right
so
just
like
before
we
have
the
issue
with
law
enforcement,
we
become
the
bridge
and
then
the
worker
can
meet
the
law
enforcement
and
how
about
the
issue?
F
And
we
really
think
this
model
is
very
effective
and
save
a
lot
of
time
so,
and
resources
like
our
city,
cutting
that
you
don't
want
to
like
have
this
did
stuff?
Cannot,
yes
anything,
but
we
are
the
people,
know
the
community
very
well,
not
only
sex
worker
community.
We
also
have
workers
Action,
Center,
City
and
city
of
the
reach
of
the
marginalized
worker
fgj
they
reach
out
of
the
sea
and
refugees.
F
So
then
how
we
can
work
closely
and
then
develop
the
model
that
the
city
can
deliver
the
information
and
message
to
the
community
and
the
people
in
wonderful
situation
or
they
are
trafficked.
They
can
get
help
without
panic
and
without
threatening
whole
community,
because
you
may
want
to
have
one
of
two
people.
But
what
you
do
you
suggest
like
a
lot
of
civilians
for
the
police
angle?
They
are
helping,
but
from
the
workers
angle,
they
are
civilians,
they
are
monitoring
and
there
is
a
lot
of
issues
going
on.
As
the
background
we
know
sex.
F
What
is
being
criminal
immigrant
is
the
issue
for
many
people.
They
don't
know
whether
I
talked
with
you
will
bring
me
any
risk,
not
only
myself
but
other
people.
We
have
a
woman,
she
has
document,
but
after
she
got
the
pull
cord
the
police,
the
police,
come
in
arrest,
her
co-workers,
she
don't
have
documents
so
that
we
don't
want
this
anything
happen,
and
we
also
don't
know
how
city
will
share
the
information.
So
that's
why
we
have
to
really
appreciate
the
city
Republic.
F
We
have
like
the
concern
about
this
area
so
and-
and
so
that's
why
we
hope
the
city
councillor
will
support
our
little
bit.
Amendment
continues
to
work
with
the
staff
to
see
what
is
the
best
way
to
reach
out
the
community.
We
can
reach
out
the
community,
we've
not
go
to
the
workplace.
If
you
go
to
what
place
cannot
reach
out
the
community.
That
is
the
fail
right
so
that
the
purpose
is
rid
of
the
people
and
then
how
we
can
have
the
way
that
the
message
and
help
can
reach
other
people
by
working
together.
F
F
F
You
very
much
for
the
nice
presentation
actually-
and
this
piece
is
actually
very
educational
to
me
personally
because
of
being
new
to
this
I,
really
I,
like
your
passion
in
helping
and
I
think
the
city
is
very
lucky
to
have
agency
like
yours
to
to
helping
our
these
most
vulnerable
people.
I
just
have
a
very
quick
question
for
you.
Do
you
have
this
piece
in
different
languages?
Yes,
so
that
we
have
M,
Chinese
information
so
and
some
and
migrant
workers
organization.
F
We
also
have
French
so,
but
this
is
the
project
funded
by
City,
actually
so
that
we
are
able
to
deliver
the
message
which
are
the
people,
so
that
we
hope
that
we
have
like
more
resources
that
we
can
translate
into
different
language,
and
this
is
very
important.
It
is
not
from
top
up,
but
it
is
from
the
real
life
experience.
What
camp
situation
the
work
can
make
place
right
so
that,
like
that,
how
you
can
support
yourself?
So
that's
why
we
think
that
is
like
better
than
like
the
top
of
model.
F
You
just
give
the
very
difficult
language
resources
that
people
don't
understand.
This
is
really
accessible.
The
diverse
by
working
with
that
that
that's
I
just
want
to
know,
because
you
know
those
are
the
people
who
require
to
read
and
understand
what
it
is.
If
I
may
ask
for
a
Chinese
version.
Yes
sure
be
wonderful,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
all
your
work
that
you've
done
in
your
association
and
that's
the
question
I
have.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
I
think.
F
It's
really
lucky
that
that
we
have
to
stop
really
listen
to
the
sex
worker,
and
then
we
hope
that
the
city
councilor.
We
also
continues
to
as
City
no
matter
to
the
police
or
different
department
to
respect
the
sex
worker,
because
it's
always
been
the
criminal
and
discrimination
and
and
marginalize
and
having
your
support
is
very
important
to
make
them
work
safely
and
respect
the
human
right.
Ok,.
F
B
F
That
we
ask
use
very
small
organizations
so
that,
like
we
mainly
speak
Chinese
so,
but
we
also
have
some
workers
as
and
we
are
which
they
speak,
Thai
or
Korean,
so
that
we
have
different
information
with
different
language.
But
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
support.
We
would
like
to
have
more
resources,
I.
F
Because
we
will
be
Asian
like
sex
workers,
so
that,
like
that,
it's
the
Asian
like
also
the
Southeast
Asian
I
self
South
Asian
language,
so
that
we
may
also
need,
like
extra
support
of
that,
so
that
we
are
looking
forward
like
we
get
more
support
that
we
can
work
with
different.
So,
for
example,
we
with
what
with
different
legal
clinic
and
what
we've
different
like
ethnic
group,
so
that
we
can
work
together
to
develop
like
this.
Thank.
A
I
Okay
hi.
Thank
you
for
letting
me
speak.
My
name
is
whinnying
and
here
representing
the
good
jobs
for
coalition,
the
jiu-jitsu
ak4
Coalition
is
Alliance
of
community
labor,
You've
and
environmental
organizations
in
Toronto
region
founded
in
2008.
During
the
global
financial
crisis,
the
Coalition
has
been
working
towards
achieving,
creating
and
building
healthy
communities,
sustainable
economy,
strong
public
services,
equity
and
decent
work,
for
which
we
are
here
strongly
supporting
the
outreach
and
organizing
work
of
butterfly.
We
welcome
also
the
staffs
report
and
recommendations
on
a
more
proactive
approach
in
supporting
victims
of
human
trafficking.
I
We
do,
however,
have
a
couple
of
concerns
over
how
that
outreach
and
how
that
training
should
be
done,
and
here
my
comments
from
the
coalition
I
believe
that
sex
trade
workers
are
workers,
just
like
everybody
else,
and
it's
critical,
that
the
proposed
model
of
outreach
does
not
end
up
becoming
another
barrier
impeding
workers
in
accessing
services
and
informations.
It's
also
important
to
recognize
that
the
city
staff
are
not
there
and
are
not
here
as
morality
squad.
The
recommendations
and
amendments
put
forth
by
a
butterfly
will
be
a
much
more
viable
alternative.
I
I
also
wanted
this
comment
that
body
massage
parlour
workers
are
rarely
sex
workers.
In
fact,
I
personally
know
a
number
of
them
who
used
to
be
in
professional
occupations
or
civil
servants
in
their
home
countries
and
due
to
their
limited
English
fluency.
They
end
up
going
through
six
months,
massage
training
before
immigrating
and
then
upon
arrival
taking
on
these
survival
jobs
just
to
make
ends
meet.
If
we
genuinely
want
to
deal
more
effectively
with
human
trafficking,
we
need
to
broaden
the
scope
and
not
just
singling
out
the
sex
trade
industry.
We
must
dig
deeper.
I
Two
on
the
two
of
the
most
to
have
our
major
newspapers
front
to
start
and
glue
mail
in
recent
months
have
focused
on
covering
human
trafficking
and,
like
the
colleagues
earlier
from
fcj
refugee
centers,
what
we
are
seeing
is
human
trafficking.
It's
a
phenomena,
growing
phenomenon,
that's
taking
place
in
very
different
industries
like
hotel,
hospitality,
food
processing,
fruit
services.
They
include
some
big
names
player
like
Western
hotels,
that
have
been
named
and
the
Indus
and
the
Globe
and
Mail
article,
and
how
can
how
could
they
be
learn
to
this
web
by
exploitation
and
human
trafficking?
I
Well,
a
lot
of
bad
things
happened
in
the
rush
for
cheap
labor
and
that's
very
much
our
concern.
The
Toronto
Star
were
about
what
police
are
calling
human
trafficking
as
the
modern-day
slavery,
and
that's
one
account
that
actually
workers
after
deductions,
leaving
him
with
a
hundred
dollars
for
two
for
two
weeks,
were
cleaning
hotels
while
living
in
an
unheated
attics
with
thirty
others
who
each
have
pay
a
recruiter
thousands
of
dollars
to
secure
well-paying
jobs
in
Canada.
I
So
it
breaks
me
to
my
conclusions
that
it's
why
it's
critical
in
supporting
the
victims
of
human
trafficking,
it's
equally
important
to
monitor
and
clam
down
the
source
of
this
underground
human
supply
chain.
I.
Think
it's
incumbent
upon
the
city
not
to
to
get
involved
in
reducing
and
claiming
down
the
source
of
the
of
this
underground
labor,
let's
not
criminai
z--
the
workers
but
criminalize
the
recruiting
agencies,
the
temp
agencies
and
employers
who
use
this
ain't
agencies
to
profit
on
the
back
of
all
these
vulnerable
workers.
Thank
you
thank.
A
You
everybody
just
see
if
there's
any
questions
for
you,
you
ever
seen,
there
are
no
questions
for
you,
this
yeah
I'm,
going
to.
Thank
you
very
much
for
presentation.
Our
next
piece
speaker
is
Sandra
Cajon,
Choo,
Canadian,
HIV
and
AIDS
legal
network.
Thank
you.
You
may
begin
when
you're
ready,
let
me
know
and
I'll
start
the
time
and
you'll
be
the
last
speaker
until
after
we
have
our
next
presenter,
which
is
a
timed
adamant,
12,
okay,.
L
A
L
My
name
is
Sandra
kahan
Chu
I'm,
the
director
of
research
and
advocacy
at
the
Canadian
hiv-aids
legal
network,
we're
a
human
rights
organization
that
works
with
people
living
with
and
affected
by
HIV
in
Canada
and
globally.
We're
also
proud
member
of
the
Canadian
Alliance
for
sex
work
law
reform,
which
is
a
group
that
works
to
promote
the
human
rights
of
sex
workers
in
Canada
and
and
globally.
So
earlier
this
year,
I
wanted
to
talk
about
a
report
we
just
produced
called
the
perils
of
protection.
I
actually
shared
it
with
I.
L
Think
all
city
councilors,
is
what
it
looks
like.
Here's
a
hard
copy
of
the
report
and
the
purpose
of
this
was
to
document
sex
workers.
Experiences
with
law
enforcement
in
Ontario,
and
one
of
the
pervading
themes
that
we
found
in
our
research
was
how
laws
and
policies
depict
all
human
trafficking
a
sex
trafficking
while
competing
sex
work
with
sexual
exploitation,
and
this
has
resulted
in
really
profound
harms
for
sex
workers,
including
those
who
live
and
work
in
Toronto.
L
Far
from
being
protective,
these
law
enforcement
interventions
forced
sex
workers
to
work
in
unsafe
ways
to
evade
law
enforcement
and
deterred
workers
from
actually
reporting
abuse
and
exploitation
when
it
happened
so
created
this
hostile
working
environment
between
sex
workers
and
law
enforcement,
and
they
were,
they
were
derivative.
They
there
was
a
hostile
working
relationship,
but
they
would
not
report
when
actual
violence
occurred.
As
the
World
Health
Organization
has
actually
stressed.
Activities
such
as
rescue
rates
of
sex
work
status
prints
have
exacerbated
violence
against
sex
workers
and
compromise
their
safety.
L
At
the
same
time,
a
singular
focus
on
anti
trafficking
activities
has
negatively
affected
the
services
that
are
available
to
sex
workers,
as
one
sex
worker
in
Toronto
told
us.
This
whole
trafficking
initiative
and
the
money
that
has
been
given
to
cops
or
specific
agencies
has
really
turned
their
eyes
to
the
most
marginalized
sex
workers
in
this
city.
They
have
to
go
through
these
exit
programs
to
get
or
they
lose
their
funding.
L
So
a
lot
of
agencies
who
took
on
this
money
are
really
at
a
place
of
abandoning
their
service
users
and
really
often
to
get
people
to
go
through
these
exit
programs.
They
only
have
programming
for
women
that
either
want
to
get
out
or
that
are
trafficked
project
participants
also
described
how
sex
workers
feel
pressured
from
law
enforcement
and
social
service
providers
to
identify
as
victims
in
order
to
receive
support
as
one
interviewee
shared.
So
women
can't
be
like
oh
I'm
here,
because
I
choose
it
and
they
feared
they
could
get
in
trouble
for
something.
L
A
A
L
E
A
You
I
just
a
couple
of
questions
to
me
sure
quickly
so
and
I
get
just
dawn
on
me.
So
so
how
do
you
or
how
in
general,
do
you
reach
out
to
someone
who's
defined
or
as
characterized
as
a
I?
Don't
even
know,
that's
the
right
word
as
a
sex
worker
versus
you
know,
someone
who's
been
trafficking
being
trafficked
to
the
jaw
because
they're,
not
one
in
the
same,
is
that
right?
That's
what
I'm
hearing
yep.
L
A
So
how
do
you,
how
do
they
reach
out
to
you?
How
do
they
know
that
the
services
are
available
because
I'm,
assuming
that
some
of
the
least
so
I,
hear
the
news?
The
the
sex
workers
are
either
kept
contained
and
our
larger
removed
from
the
broader
society
as
such,
yeah
I
could
be
wrong,
but
that's
my
sense
of
us:
how
do
they
know?
How
do
they
reach
out
to
I
mean
organizations
as
such,
like.
L
For
our
report,
for
instance,
we
work
with
organizations
that
have
a
long-standing
history
with
sex
workers.
They
are
the
ones
who
are
trusted.
Organizations
like
Maggie's,
like
butterflies,
some
of
the
organizations
you
heard
from
today.
They
have
built
that
trust
over
years
and
we
know-
and
they
trust
us
as
they
are-
were
our
intermediary
in
getting
to
talk
to
people,
because
they're
hugely
criminals
and
stimuli
stigmatized
community,
so
I
would
suggest
investing
in
these
organizations
that
do
that
work.
Already.
Okay,.
A
Great,
thank
you
very
much,
okay.
So
we're
going
to
step
this
item
down
in
order
to
deal
with
our
time
to
item.
In
fact,
there
are
two
items:
that's
being
attached
to
that.
One
is
the
economic
outlook
which
is
we
have
a
speaker
and
then
EC
5.12,
so
I'd
like
to
now
invite
dog
days
are
done
they're
down
in
there,
then
a
bit
of
a
cold
here.
A
Don
delivers
economic
analysis
to
our
see
clients
through
a
variety
of
publications
and
presentations
prior
to
joining
RBC
dawn
worked
as
a
reporter
for
Bloomberg
financial
news
in
Toronto,
covering
the
Canadian
bond
and
currency
market,
as
was
the
Canadian
bond
market
strategist
for
a
major
US
bank
for
10
years,
he's
a
graduate
at
the
University
of
Toronto
and
welcome
I
believe
this
is
your
first
time
to
our
committee.
Welcome
I
just
wonder
if
we
can
just
kind
of
keep
the
noise
down
a
little
bit,
so
we
can
get
the
percentage
to
speak.
A
Let
me
know
when
you're
ready
and
we
welcome
you
to
our
committee
this
morning-
there's
there's
a
timer
on
the
side.
Just
give
you
an
indication
as
to
timing,
but
you
have
beyond
the
five
minutes,
because
this
is
a
presentation
for
you.
So
we
welcome
you
to
committee
and
we
look
forward
to
your
presentation.
Thank
you.
M
I'd
like
to
just
give
you
a
briefing
on
what
we
see
happening
in
the
economy,
thinking
probably
starting
at
the
biggest
picture,
because
we
certainly
are
seeing
a
lot
of
uncertainty
facing
the
global
economy,
not
just
in
Canada
or
in
Toronto,
but
certainly
on
a
global
scale.
We
have
brexit
an
ongoing
issue
in
the
UK
and
for
the
European
Union.
M
We
have
lots
of
trade
policies
that
are
causing
disruption,
I'd
say
in
the
global
economy
and
in
fact,
when
we
look
at
measures
like
this,
this
is
a
policy
measure
saying
how
you
know:
how
uncertain
is
the
environment
out
there,
and
certainly
when
you
look
at
that
gray
line,
it
is
we
are
operating
under
a
very
heightened
level
of
uncertainty.
I
think
perhaps
most
important
in
terms
of
this
issue
is
what's
happening
with
the
US
and
China
and
their
trade
negotiations,
or
lack
thereof.
Certainly,
we
are
lulled
into
I
think
a
sense
of
complacency.
M
We
thought
everything
was
going
well
until
recently,
and
now
we
have
seen
tariffs
being
raised
levies
being
put
on
more
and
more
issues,
and
so
we
do
feel
that
the
global
economy
is
really
starting
to
feel
the
ill
effects
of
this.
Certainly,
when
we
look
at
global
growth,
we
look
at
some
metrics,
such
as
global
trade
volumes.
They
are
actually
declining,
they
haven't
been
declining
for
a
very
long
time,
so
it
certainly
is
something
that
is
of
concern.
We
look
at
business
sentiment
indices
globally.
We
are
seeing
a
weakening
in
sentiment.
M
Businesses
are
saying
they
aren't
seeing
the
same
number
of
new
orders,
exports,
of
course,
under
pressure
and
to
some
extent
this
might
be
filtering
into
labor
markets,
so
global
growth
is
expected
to
decelerate
compared
to
last
year.
Now,
I,
don't
think
it's
so
much
that
it's
going
to
be
a
three
point:
three
percent
growth
rate,
that's
important,
it's
more
the
direction
and
the
fact
that
the
risks
to
2020
are
increasingly
to
the
downside
now,
even
though
the
u.s.
M
I
kind
of
think
of
it
as
the
pinnacle
of
uncertainty
at
the
moment
that
economy
is
actually
growing
quite
well.
Grew
close
to
three
percent
last
year
in
the
first
quarter
of
this
year,
continued
to
grow
at
a
greater
than
3%
pace
and
what's
driving
the
US
economy
is
a
very
tight
labor
market,
the
lowest
unemployment
rate
in
50
years
and
wage
growth.
That
is
accelerating
the
Trump
administration,
also
made
changes
to
laws
regarding
businesses,
so
corporate
income
tax
rates
and
other
policies
being
more
stimulus
for
businesses
trying
to
incent
them
to
spend
to
invest.
M
The
u.s.
expansion
is
about
to
hit
the
10-year
mark
and
that's
quite
long
for
an
economic
expansion,
and
certainly
the
stimulus,
I
think
is
helping
the
US
economy.
But
when
we
look
at
Canada,
not
so
rosy
a
picture,
we
certainly
stumbled
in
the
fourth
quarter
of
2018
low
oil
prices
combined
with
a
housing
market
correction.
That
deepened
in
fact
did
drive
our
growth
rate
to
less
than
half
a
percentage
point
in
the
fourth
quarter
of
last
year,
and
we
see
evidence
that
in
fact,
that
slower
growth
had
persisted
into
early
2019.
M
But
there
is
positive
news
on
that
front.
The
oil
price
correction
we're
seeing
a
big
recovery
in
oil
prices,
the
curtailments
that
the
Alberta
government
put
in,
we
think
are
going
to
ease
off
and
in
fact
go
away
by
the
end
of
this
year.
So
that's
gonna
take
some
of
the
weight
off
the
economy
on
the
housing
market
side
of
the
equation.
We
certainly
are
seeing
evidence
that
a
bottom
is
being
formed
in
most
areas,
not
in
Victoria
or
in
Vancouver,
but
in
most
other
major
cities.
M
So
that
too,
will
lighten
some
of
the
weight
on
our
economy
and
we
expect
to
see
growth
move
back
towards
our
potential
growth
rate.
Now.
One
thing
that
Canada
does
have
in
common
with
the
United
States
is
a
very
tight
labor
market,
our
unemployment
rate
challenging
forty
four
year
low.
We
have
seen
wage
growth
accelerate
here
as
well,
but
not
quite
as
firmly
as
in
the
US.
M
But
having
said
that,
there's
lots
of
job
vacancies
at
the
end
of
2018
stats
can
estimates
about
half
a
million
jobs
that
were
left
vacant,
so
lots
of
demand
for
labor.
It's
encouraging
that
we
will
continue
to
see.
We
think
strong
employment
games,
a
low
unemployment
rate
and
we're
also
beginning
to
see
an
increase
in
offering
wages,
so
it's
not
throughout
the
whole
economy,
but
at
the
margin,
wage
growth
is
accelerating
quite
sharply
and,
of
course,
that
is
a
pretty
important
fundamental.
M
As
we
know,
households
in
Canada
have
elevated
levels
of
debt
on
their
balance
sheets
and
as
interest
rates
have
moved
up.
What
we
have
seen
is
those
debt
service
costs
have
risen,
so
we
do
need
to
see
this
wage
growth
accelerate.
In
order
to
mitigate
that
impact
on
our
household
sector
regionally,
we
have
Ontario's
economy
growing
1.6
this
year,
1.7
percent
in
2020,
2020
I.
Sorry
flip
that,
but
anyway,
one
point
since
will
make
seven
percent
so
largely
in
line
with
I
guess
the
Ontario
economy's
potential.
M
Now,
if
you
look
at
one
of
the
key
areas
where
we
are
seeing
a
slowing
for
the
Ontario
economy,
and
of
course
it
is
the
housing
market
correction
that
got
underway
in
2000
17
and
really
continued
as
we
went
through
last
year,
home
sales
here
in
Toronto
fell
about
16
percent
last
year.
But,
having
said
that,
when
you
look
at
this
benchmark
price
chart,
you
can
see
that
hasn't
had
a
significant
impact.
M
Our
prices,
certainly,
prices,
are
down
from
the
very
lofty
levels
and
the
pace
of
price
appreciation
has
slowed
considerably,
but
prices
have
not
plummeted.
They've
not
not
gone
through
a
housing
market
crash.
In
fact,
if
anything,
what
we're
seeing
is
our
housing
market
is
perhaps
in
better
balance
with
respect
to
supply
and
demand.
Now
one
thing
that
we
have
going
for
us
in
Ontario
and
in
Toronto
is
the
fact
that
we
too
have
a
very
strong
labor
market,
and
we
do
think
that
we're
going
to
continue
to
see
job
gains
in
the
province.
M
But
what
happened
to
the
housing
market
really
was
more
of
a
policy-related
slowing.
We
had
not
only
had
interest
rates
moving
up.
We
also
had
strengthened
more
straight
and
stress
testing
for
people
who
wanted
to
get
a
mortgage
and,
of
course,
local
provincial
policy
changes
that
were
effective,
as
governments
tried
to
reduce
the
amount
of
speculative
behavior
in
our
housing
market,
because
certainly
we
look
at
Toronto
now,
it's
increasingly
the
case
that
our
housing
market
is
unaffordable,
we're
not
quite
at
the
peak
level
of
Vancouver,
but
certainly
from
our
historical
vantage
point.
M
We
are
right
now
in
a
very
unaffordable
housing
market
and
in
fact
we
have
seen
this
considerable
recalibration.
I
guess
I'd,
say
in
terms
of
home
sales
activity
falling
well
below
are
our
trend
or
our
long-term
average
in
terms
of
home
sales,
and
we
do
think
that
the
April
data
that
came
out
really
shows
us
that
we're
probably
getting
to
the
bottom
of
this
correction.
We
saw
a
significant
increase
in
home
sales
activity
in
April
mild
increase
in
March,
but
a
much
more
significant
increase
in
April.
M
So
we
do
think
that
we're
going
to
see
market
activities
settle
down
here.
We're
not
gonna
go
back
in
our
view
to
these
very
elevated
levels
of
home
sales
and
price
appreciation
that
we
had
been
seeing.
Certainly
when
we
look,
this
is
just
sort
of
the
average,
but
even
within
those
some
months
the
data
showed
a
30%
increase
in
home
prices,
clearly
unsustainable,
so
with
interest
rates
having
moved
up,
affordability
conditions
having
deteriorated,
and
then
we
have
those
policy
changes.
I,
don't
think
it's
any
great
shock
that
we
are
seeing
this
correction
in
home
prices.
M
It
really
is
quite
needed
to
improve
the
affordability
of
our
market.
Now,
in
terms
of
what's
going
on
with
the
spending
story,
the
building
side
of
the
equation,
we
have
a
lot
of
homes
as
we
know
under
construction,
but
we're
building
it
on
very
low
levels
of
inventory.
So
we
don't
feel
that
it's
an
imbalance
is
being
created.
M
So
overall
I
guess
I
would
say
that
the
outlook
is
really
quite
uncertain
because
of
policies
outside
of
our
country,
not
so
much
within
Canada,
but
we
have
some
of
those
issues
as
well
from
the
Bank
of
Canada's
point
of
view.
I
think
this
sets
up
for
them
to
maintain
their
policy
rate
at
1
and
3/4
percent.
M
We
know
that
that's
moved
up
one
and
a
quarter
percent
from
the
very
low
levels
that
we
saw
that
started
in
the
middle
part
of
2017,
so
it
really
is
going
through
the
system
now
and
we
think,
given
this
weak
patch
our
economy
slipped
into
because
of
those
transitory
factors,
arguably,
as
well
as
the
external
environment,
which
is
increasingly
uncertain,
they
probably
will
want
to
step
back
from
making
any
further
interest
rate
increases.
They'll
want
to
keep
a
little
bit
of
stimulus
impacting
our
economy.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
E
M
E
Took
a
look
in
advance
of
this
mister
will
intrude
me
our
most
recent
dashboard,
which
probably
is
first
quarter
january
yeah.
So
the
the
title
of
this
slide
is
the
economy.
Isn't
the
issue
quite
the
contrary,
and
it
does
look
like
our
unemployment
rate?
Has
it's
had
some
spikes,
but
it's
it's
not
been
too
bad.
No,
it
is
at
the
moment
falling
if
you
factor
in
Asia
race.
Yes,
the
participation
rate
has
dropped
up,
so
we're
gonna.
Add
that
in
then
you
see.
Do
you
have
a
bit
of
a
problem?
E
E
E
M
Think
a
mismatch
in
skills
a
lot
of
times
when
we
look
at
surveys,
Canadian
Federation
of
Independent
Business-
does
do
a
survey
regularly
thinking,
in
fact,
monthly,
and
when
you
look
at
what
businesses
are
saying,
they're
saying
that
they
can't
get
the
skilled
labor,
that
they
need.
That's
a
big
pediments
growth
or
it's
a
mismatch
between
who's
who's
applying
for
job
and
what
they
actually
needs.
So
arguably
it
is
that
this
mismatch
that's
going
on
in
the
economy
right
now
and
we
have
been
as
we
know
it,
such
as
extended
expansion
period
right
so.
E
When
that
happens,
what
does
what
does
the
economists
in
a
financial
institution?
Do?
We
have?
You
know
skilled
labor,
skilled
labor
unions,
skilled
labor,
because
the
organization's
come
to
us
and
say
you
know
we
need
to
get
more
people
into
the
trades
we
need
to.
We
need.
We
need
a
little
more
runway
to
get
more
people
into
apprenticeships
and
training.
We
can
get
to
the
jobs
that
are
needed.
They
come
knocking
on
the
door
of
government.
E
So
when
the
financial
institution
looks
at
this,
do
you
advocate
for
that?
Hey
government
spend
some
money
on
that
and
deal
with
that
disconnect.
Do
you
advocate
to
the
higher
orders
of
government
that
that
can
be
done
at
ground
level?
We
should
be
doing
the
skills
training
right
here
in
local
communities
and
I
mean
across
the
country,
not
just
Toronto
such
that
that
your
voice
going
to
the
federal
government
or
the
provincial
governments
will
actually
help
us
to
be
able
to
deliver
and
our
skilled
trades
organizations
deliver
yeah.
M
I
think
you
know
one
of
the
things
we
are
on
the
record
are
our
CEO
in
particulars
work,
integrated,
learning
the
real
necessity
of
all
Canadian
students
to
have
the
opportunity
to
work
in
to
develop
skills,
perhaps
to
even
you
know,
just
see
what's
out
there
so
that
they
can
pivot
if
they
need
to
do
so.
We've
also
done
a
lot
of
work
on
the
skills
economy
trying
to
figure
out.
M
M
Yes
opposed
to
just
you
know,
obviously
we
need
to
have
that
the
basics
down
the
math,
the
literacy
exists,
but
we
also
have
to
have
the
ability
to
problem-solve
all
these
different
skills
that
really
you
almost
have
to
get
in
a
workplace.
Yes,
yes,
so
it
is
so
that
is
one
things
we
do
advocate
quite
heavily
for
is
work
integrated
learning
in.
E
Our
local
stats,
we
see
in
particular
places
I,
think
I
made
a
note
of
the
biggest
online
killing
retail
and
that's
where
a
lot
of
what
a
lot
of
our
established
newcomers
they're
established.
Any
any
number
of
members
of
the
family
are
going
to
end
up
there
and
at
least
four
for
a
number
of
years
or
generationally,
and
yet
that's
where
that's
where
a
big
drop
is
in
terms
of
employment,
I,
think
because
we
retail
big
boxes
shrinking
particular
areas.
E
M
Mean
that
is
sort
of
what
our
Siemens
wanted.
We
called
the
report.
I
mean
certainly
happy
to
send
you
a
copy
of
it,
but
it
is
really
advocating
these
types
of
we
skilling
and
trying
to
figure
out
what
jobs
they
have
in
common
and
then
saying.
Ok.
So
if
you
have
this
set
of
skills
and
you're
doing
this
job,
this
job
is
going
away.
What
do
you
have
to
do?
How
many
skills
you
have
to
build
or
accumulate
to
be
able
to
pivot
and
shift
into
another
occupation?
M
M
B
B
M
The
LNG
facility,
certainly
that
investment
flowing
into
the
economy
over
the
next
5-10
years,
is
very
important
and
and
driver
of
economic
growth.
We
have
a
business
intentions,
Vince's
spending
intentions,
survey
put
out
by
stats,
Canada
NBC
12%
increase
in
terms
of
businesses,
this
investment,
so
that
is
a
key
driver
of
that
forecast
and
with.
M
M
There's
so
many
complicated
things
going
on
when
the
trade
environment
I
mean.
Certainly
you
know
it
could
provide
some
support,
but
it's
more
the
demand
side,
I
think
just
overall
and
our
relationships
with
countries.
We've
know
we've
gone
through
such
a
rocky
patch,
with
the
United
States
with
their
steel
and
aluminum
tariffs.
Since
yes,
we're
getting
some
progress
on
that
front,
getting
the
USMC
a
signed,
another
key
thing:
China,
of
course,
now
banning
our
canola.
A
A
M
They
are
I,
think
Japan
and
China
the
biggest
holders
of
US
Treasury
bonds,
but
it
would
be
kind
of
you
know,
biting
the
nose
to
spite
their
face.
If
you
will
because
of
course,
right
away,
prices
would
fall
significantly,
and
so
their
investment
they'd
have
to
absorb
a
lot
of
losses.
Okay,
so
I
I,
you
know
we're
all
kind
of
pondering
that
we
don't
think
that
you
know
from
a
economic
point
of
view
that
would
be
path
aid
they
would
follow.
Okay,
wouldn't
give
that
a
very
high
odds
of
occurring,
not
to
say
it
couldn't.
M
A
So
when
I
look
at
the
vertical
access,
you've
got
numbers
going
from
fifty
to
three
hundred
and
the
horizontals
2019,
so
in
between
2018
and
2019,
there's
a
cross-section
melody
there,
and
when
we
talk
about
policy,
uncertainty
and
uncertainty
in
general,
we
talk
about
Canada
in
Toronto,
for
example,
as
a
place
to
come
to
invest.
We
use
the
expression,
there's
a
great
deal
of
certainty
and
there's
a
stability.
So
so,
on
the
face
of
that,
we
are
correct
in
terms
of
how
we're
projecting
and
presenting
ourselves
yeah.
M
I
mean
I
think
what
we're
seeing,
though,
is
that,
because
we
do
have
some
policy
uncertainty,
whether
it's
about
pipelines,
for
example.
These
types
of
issues,
I
do
think,
is
tarnishing
our
reputation
a
bit
because
when
an
investor
comes
here,
they
want
to
put
money
into
our
economy
if
they
don't
feel
that
their
plan
is
going
to
be
actionable
and
that
there
were
all
kinds
of
blocks
to
doing
that,
I
think
that
does
it
does
cause
some
trouble.
A
And
so
the
other
issue
that
I
wanted,
perhaps
if
he
can
help
us
to
understand
realizing
that
looking
at
the
totality
of
the
Canadian
economy
but
there's
another
aspect
to
our
economy:
that's
the
underground
economy.
How
does
that
in
terms
of
what's
what
would
be
that
number?
For
example,
do
you
do
that
work
to
say
the
underground
and
caught
is
value
that
five
billion
dollars,
fifty
billion
dollars
and
so
on?
A
It's
there
any
work
being
done
there,
because
I
saw
I
understand
it,
there's
a
huge
underground
economy
that
is
seeping
into
and
having
an
impact
on
much
of
the
things
that
we
do,
whether
or
not
its
taxation
collection
for
the
government.
This
one
I'm
just
wondering:
do
you
assess
that
as
well,
and
is
that
a
real
factor
I.
A
And
then
I
guess
my
final
question:
we
kind
of
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
fact
that
there
are
500,000
jobs
that
are
available
but
having
the
right
skill
set
to
fit
those.
What,
if
you
could
today
tell
the
Millennials
who
are
looking
at
the
job
market
in
terms
of
the
preparation?
What
is
it
they
need
to
be
doing,
and
is
it
a
global
outlook
or
is
it
a
local
outlook?
How
would
you
advise
them?
I,
I.
M
It
sounds
very
simple,
but
until
you
actually
develop
the
skill
to
be
able
to
look
at
I
mean
these
are
the
critical
things
that
we're
gonna
need
for
the
future
machine
learning
is
gonna,
do
a
bunch
of
stuff,
and
some
of
it
will
be
problem
solving,
but
really
the
human
element
in
a
lot
of
this
you
know
it
is,
is
our
ability
to
do
these
things,
so
it
is
I
would
say
you
know
try
to
if
you
can
get
work,
integrated
learning
during
your
schooling.
Do
it
right.
E
Did
want
to
speak
I'm
I'm,
always
happy
when,
when
we
have
an
economist,
come
from
the
financial
service
sector
to
give
us
their
take
on
things
as
they
tend
to
to
elevate
it
a
little
bit
to
the
globe
beyond
our
own
dashboard,
but
I
ask
the
questions.
I
ask
because
I
hope,
they're.
There
I
hope
they
then
in
turn
turn
around
and
do
a
deep
dive,
deep
dive
in
more
granular
local.
E
Look,
our
economic
dashboard,
because
I
think
they
really
could
be
a
voice
for
us
recently
around
some
of
the
changes
in
provincial
legislation
and
some
of
the
struggles
we
have
around
bill,
66
and
others.
We
all
had
skilled
trades,
apprenticeship,
organizations,
the
the
you
know,
the
hammer
heads
of
the
world
and
the
other
programs
coming
to
see
us
about
their
ability.
They
could
actually
be
training
more
people.
They
could
be
pulling
more
people
into
that,
and
yet
we
struggle
with
well
that's
great.
We
can't
really
help
you
financially
go
your
best
leg.
E
Do
what
you're
gonna
do,
but
in
actual
fact,
when
you
see
you
know,
miss
named
right
to
work
type
of
legislation
moving
through
the
province
and
and
having
forbid,
but
you
know
after
the
federal
election
could
even
be
moving
through
the
federal
scene.
Those
types
of
legislations
really
contradict
what
an
economist
has
just
told
us.
We
need
to
be
making
sure
that
people
can
get
into
those
thriving
well-paying,
skilled,
trades
jobs,
but
it's
it's
not
a
single
order
of
government's
role
to
help
them
do
it.
E
It
really
needs
the
legislature
back
up
from
those
other
or
the
government
that
we
partner
with
or
try
to
partner
with
from
day
to
day.
So
I'm
really
grateful
for
the
presentation.
I'm
not
gonna,
move
a
motion,
because
I
know
that
Miss
Desjardin
will
take
this
back,
that
that
we
really
need
their
voice,
saying
that
that
needs
to
be
happening.
They
understand
that
it
happens
on
local
levels
with
local
organizations
and
local
governments,
but
that
they
have
an
easy
durian
to
speak
to
those
other
orders
of
government.
E
A
You
very
much
cows
Carol,
any
any
other
persons
to
speak.
Okay,
then
all
right
I
will
speak
for
a
moment.
I'm
always
very
happy
when
we
have
The
Economist's
coming
and
giving
us
a
measure
look
at
where
we
are
and
where
we're
going,
and
it's
really
in
it's
really
interesting.
I
remarked
on
my
days
as
a
university
student
in
economics.
A
Clearly,
we
know
that
there's
a
tremendous,
a
tremendous
amount
of
uncertainty
in
the
world
and
I
think
that
we
in
our
space
as
a
municipality,
have
to
do
the
things
that
we
need
to
ensure
that
our
citizens
are
able
to
have
options
and
opportunities,
and
so
on.
We've
been
in
this
committee,
embarking
on
great
efforts
to
ensure
that
we
attract
foreign
investment
in
Swan
mysteries.
Mr.
Chanin
has
indicated
for
everyone
we
bring
in.
We
can
have
seven
going
out
in
terms
of
Canadian
companies
also
looking
globally
to
create
opportunities
and
so
on.
A
A
I'm
making
these
numbers
are
really
important
in
the
the
graphs
are
very
important
and
I
know
that
as
we
move
further
in
the
second
piece
of
this,
which
is
the
economic
outlook
that
the
general
manager
will
present
a
little
bit
later
and
I'm
gonna
ask
the
general
manager
to
do
that
with
respect
to
the
bulletin
a
little
bit
later
after
our
speakers,
because
we
still
have
speakers
and
we're
breaking
for
lunch
in
a
minute
or
so,
but
I
want
to
just
just
again
thank
Miss
Desjardin
for
the
presentation.
I
always
find
with
these
things.
A
You
you
take
them
back
and
you
kind
of
have
a
moment
to
look
through,
and
you
realize
that
you
should
have
asked
a
question
or
it's
very
helpful.
So
I
know
that
there's
great
challenges
right
now
in
the
world
economy,
superpowers
are
battling
and
I'm,
hoping
at
some
point
that
some
resolution
will
be
arrived
at
in
terms
of
the
dispute
which,
with
with
China
in
the
US
and
even
our
our
own
dispute
with
China,
we
do
a
lot
of
work
with
with
Chinese
cities.
A
Some
of
our
sister
cities
relationship
that
we
have
globally
I
know
that
some
of
the
members
of
the
business
Chubby's
business
community
that
we
met
with
last
week
at
collision
there
they
too
are
hopeful.
So
all
of
our
citizens
are
hopeful
that
we're
able
to
resolve
these.
Yes,
so
we
just
Thank
You
councillor
Grimes.
A
You
know
some
time
a
degree
to
program.
One
of
these
things
right
I
mean-
and
this
is
only
a
phone.
Some
of
the
machinery
that
we're
using
in
in
factories
and
so
on
in
in
in
this
city,
clearly
requires
that
level
of
skill
set
and
training.
So
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
there
and
encouraged
that
the
collaboration
between
labor
that
councilor
Carol
spoke
of
I
think
that's
extremely
important.
A
Smith's
teacher,
then
for
being
here
and
to
provide
us
with
some
great
insight
with
respect
to
the
way
the
economy,
our
economy
in
the
world
economy
is
going.
Thank
you
very
much.
We
really
appreciate
you
being
here
so
members,
all
those
in
favor
of
receiving
the
presentation
oppose
Ed's
carried.
Thank
you
and
we'll
recess.
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