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Executive Committee, meeting 27, September 26, 2017 - Part 2 of 3
Agenda and background materials:
http://app.toronto.ca/tmmis/decisionBodyProfile.do?function=doPrepare&meetingId=11829
Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0okQT_iWCrQ#t=8m1s
Part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW9ZNqQnb20
Meeting Navigation:
0:09:31 - Meeting resume
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F
We'll
call
the
meeting
back
to
order
and
thank
you
very
much
for
coming
back
one
at
all
and
we're,
of
course,
in
the
middle
of
the
deputations
on
the
ravine
strategy.
When
I
see
the
middle,
we
had
two
that
we
had
done
now.
I
have
had
a
request,
and
this
is
the
kind
of
deal-making
I'm
always
happy
to
do.
Are
you
already
there?
Are
you
mister,
mister,
Zhang
Gordon?
Oh,
how
well
organized
you're
you,
sir
fantastic,
so
we'll
hear
you
and
then
I
did
have
a
request.
F
There
was
a
group
that
and
I'm
always
willing
to
engage
in
this
kind
of
very
positive
horse
trading.
There
were
three
people
listed
from
the
trrs
Toronto
ravine,
revitalization
strategy,
one
of
whom
has
to
go
somewhere
and
and
but
they
have
agreed
to
come.
I
think
it
appear
as
a
group
of
three
and
on
the
basis
of
that
we
will
sort
of
move
them
up
to
next
after
mr.
Jordan
just
because
that
will
actually
save
us
all
some
time
in
the
end.
So
we'll
do
that,
but
mr.
G
And
thank
you
mr.
mayor,
for
putting
an
hour
between
myself
and
Jason
Ramsey
Brown
the
highly
articulate
Jason
Ramsey
Brown
mr.
mayor
councillors.
I
am
here
as
the
executive
director
of
Toronto
Botanical
Garden
and
on
behalf
of
the
board,
the
staff
1,900
members
and
500
volunteers
of
the
Toronto
Botanical
Garden
I
would
like
to
offer
the
wholehearted
support
of
our
organization
to
the
ravine
strategy.
It
is
a
vision
to
restore,
protect
and
provide
access
to
our
city's
most
important
natural
asset.
G
We
commend
council
and
city
staff
for
your
leadership
in
forward
a
ravine
strategy
in
remarkably
short
time.
The
interdisciplinary
approach
from
so
many
city
divisions
also
provides
a
template
for
action
that
will
eliminate
silos
in
order
to
address
many
more
challenges
and
opportunities
in
our
city.
We
are
particularly
pleased
that
you
are
embracing
in
this
effort
nonprofit
partner
organizations
that
are
capable
of
mustering
money,
expertise
and
grassroots
support
for
an
initiative
so
vast
and
important
that
governments
look
beyond
themselves
for
support.
You
have
our
support.
G
Implementing
the
ravine
strategy
and
creating
a
viable
Botanic
Garden
go
hand-in-hand
in
Toronto.
Tbg
may
be
the
smallest
Botanic
Garden
in
North
America.
We
are
the
smallest,
but
we
have
been
working
in
partnership
with
parks,
forestry
and
Recreation
staff
to
create
a
much
bigger
and
more
impactful
garden.
G
All
this
occurs
under
the
umbrella
of
the
ravine
strategy
and
in
consideration
of
economic
development
and
cultures,
role
in
developing
the
strategy
and
analyzing
its
economic
impact.
We
would
like
to
make
one
more
point,
some
months
ago,
when
Houston
announced
that
it
would
give
an
old
golf
course
to
the
Botanical
Gardens
Society
for
a
new
botanic
garden
city
staff
conducted
an
economic
impact
study
that
predicted
an
annual
benefit
of
100
million
dollars
per
year
to
the
local
economy
in
Philadelphia.
G
The
economic
impact
of
the
area's
Botanic
Gardens
has
been
measured
at
over
250
million
dollars
per
year.
Our
impact
will
be
of
this
order
of
magnitude
when
a
new
Toronto
Botanical
Garden
that
connects
with
its
ravine
system
is
created,
and
we
will
be
accomplishing
this
within
a
visionary
framework
that
you
will
have
set
in
place.
Thank
you
for
that
vision
and
thank
you
for
this
opportunity.
F
H
H
Preservation
of
our
environmentally
sensitive
areas
was
funded
properly
and
that
the
implementation
of
the
SA
plans
be
done
in
a
faster
time
frame
to
ensure
that
we
didn't
encourage
more
uses
of
the
ravines
before
we
had
actually
done
the
fundamentals
of
protecting
them.
So
I
wondered
if
you
could
just
comment
on
that.
G
It's
a
question
I
might
like
to
dodge,
but
it's
a
very
good
question.
I
was
challenged
by
by
Jason's
observation
that,
given
the
ravine
strategies
reliance
to
a
certain
degree
on
philanthropic
support,
yes,
is:
is
there
enough
public
money
beyond
the
philanthropic
support
to
to
look
after
this
incredible
natural
asset?
G
I
represented
an
organization
that
has
proposed
to
the
city
that
we
can
fundraise
towards
creating
a
wonderful
new
cultural
institution.
Nature
focused
I,
I
hope
that
that
goes
hand-in-hand
with
generous
support
from
government
streams
of
funding
I,
don't
know
how
to
say
it
any
differently.
I
I
believe
there's
room
for
both
okay.
I
You
mr.
mayor,
thank
you
very
much
for
coming
today
to
highlight
the
good
work
of
the
Toronto
Botanical
Garden
I'm,
glad
to
see
you
before
executive
committee,
because
a
lot
of
us
I
am
because
I'm
your
biggest
fan
that
I
represent
the
area
you're
in,
but
a
lot
of
counselors
aren't
aware
of
your
great
work.
I
So
we
look
forward
to
you
coming
back
to
to
Parks
and
Environment
Committee
to
speak
more
about
that,
but
I
guess.
My
question
today
related
to
the
ravine
strategy:
you're
really
living
it
every
day,
you're
in
the
system
experiencing
it.
How
do
you
think
that
this
strategy
will
actually
serve
to
highlight
the
good
work
of
Toronto
Botanical
Garden?
And
what
are
the
benefits?
I
G
If
you
go
back
just
a
few
decades
in
Botanical
Garden
history,
we
tended
to
be
gardens
of
display.
You
know,
let's,
let's
show
off
the
exotic
to
beautiful.
This
changed
drastically
radically
back
in
the
60s
we
became
cultural
institutions,
scientific
institutions
focus
on
plant
conservation,
so
we're
well.
We
recognize
that
people
like
to
come
and
look
at
pretty
flowers.
Okay,
there's
a
basic
reason
to
come,
but
people
also
appreciate
the
serenity.
The
the
a
also
I'm
sure
enjoy
the
the
health
benefits
it's
a
place
where
they
can
learn.
G
So
all
of
those
things
are
part
of
the
the
mission
of
a
Prairie
Botanical
Garden,
where
we
feel
the
timing
is
perfect.
For
us
in
regard
to
the
ravine
strategy,
is
that
the
whole
city
understands
the
importance
of
its
ravines
and
I
think
that
we
can
be
a
place
where
people
come
to
learn
about
the
ravines
and
if
anyone
thinks
that
my
interest
in
a
pretty
flower
might
translate
into
planting
such
a
thing
in
the
ravine,
absolutely
not.
G
We
are
we're
about
restoring
health
to
degraded
natural
ecosystems,
we're
about
taking
the
piece
of
ravine
that
goes
alongside
us
at
TBG
and
restoring
it
so
we're
about
ecological
restoration
in
those
places.
Well
have
some
pretty
flowers
up
on
the
table?
Lands
next
door,
yes,
but
the
timing,
as
I
say
is,
is
is
just
right
for
our
initiative
to
become
a
larger
and
more
impactful,
Botanical
Garden
and.
I
I
G
Much
so
if
you
look
at
the
the
trail
system
that
it
begins
at
Toronto,
Botanical,
Garden
at
Leslie
and
Lawrence,
and
allows
people
to
go
to
all
the
way
south
down
to
the
lake
north
of
us,
the
ravines
are
owned.
A
big
chunk
of
ravine
is
owned
privately,
so
that
trail
ends
at
TBG.
It
goes
elsewhere
in
the
city.
Yes,
with
that
branch
that
ends
at
tbg,
we
are
a
gateway
for
sure
and
in
that
part
of
the
city
there
is
so
much
now
going
on
culture.
G
We
like
to
say
that
the
cultural
center
of
gravity
has
shifted
north.
In
Eastern,
our
city,
we've
got
the
Agha
Khan
Museum
we've
got
the
entero
Science
Center.
We've
got
ourselves
about
to
curl
up
grow
into
a
real
and
impactful
Botanical
Garden.
So
there's
a
reason
for
a
visitor
to
the
city
to
get
out
of
downtown
and
go
elsewhere.
So.
I
G
F
Thank
you,
councillor
Robinson
other
questions
by
members
of
the
committee
of
this
deputy
all
right.
Well,
thank
you
very
much,
sir
appreciate
your
being
here.
So
I
would
propose
next
to
move
to
Anki
dong,
Paul,
scriptor
and
Catherine
burka,
all
of
whom
I
believe
are
appearing
together
from
the
toronto
ravines
revitalization
study
and
normally
was
I
said
earlier
today.
F
What
we
would
do
is
not
give
three
times
five,
but
we'd
sort
of
assume
that
you
might,
since
you're
appearing
together,
do
something
between
five
and
three
times
five,
so
you
could
take
take
the
time
you
need,
but
I
just
we're
hoping
we
can
kind
of
just
keep
things
moving
along
here
and
we're
not
trying
to
curtail
your
contributions.
But
I'll
start
the
clock
running
and
we'll
see
where
we
go.
J
Our
Tory
members
of
the
executive
committee-
it's
it's
a
great
pleasure
to
appear
before
you
today
and
I,
would
say
on
my
own
behalf
that
I
appear
as
a
citizen
of
our
great
city
and
and
I've
been
a
passionate
supporter
and
fan
of
Ravine.
Since
my
teenage
days
and
I
want
to
introduce
the
other
members
of
our
group,
Kathryn,
burka
and
Enki
dong,
and
we
are
delighted
that
Toronto
is
developing.
This
ravine
strategy
that
will
guide
the
city
in
conserving
these
living
treasures
and
they
are
and
they're
known,
described.
F
J
J
Science,
we
have
here
in
Toronto,
of
course,
UT
and
we
have
the
Faculty
of
Forestry
and
we
think
the
city
should
be
employing
their
services
and
centers
of
research
search
and
other
organizations
like
that
too,
which
will
help
address
the
capacity
of
the
city
partners
to
get
the
job
done,
because
there
are
only
so
many
staff
here
and
we
are
really
impressed
with
the
expertise
of
U
of
T.
I
would
just
say
in
terms
of
the
Toronto
field,
Naturalist
presentation.
J
We
do
support
the
their
point
that
the
real
goal
here
is
to
keep
the
ravines
in
a
natural
state.
Now
I
want
to
take
you
back
a
little
bit
in
history
and
we'll
talk
more
about
these
three
points.
But
I
want
to
go
back
to
1975
when
my
dear
friend,
Taylor
and
I
met
at
a
North
Rosedale
repairs
meeting
where
development
was
a
hot
topic
and
we're
both
interested
in
ravines.
And
so
we
realized
that
if
you're
going
to
protect
ravines,
you
have
to
know
what
you're
protecting
you
have
to
know
the
dynamics
of.
J
J
There
is
a
real.
He
was
a
precursor
in
his
time.
So
then,
in
2015,
Dale
and
I
decided
to
revisit
the
1977
study
and
we
raised
$60,000
and
we
engaged
UT
forestry
to
do
the
same
work
that
was
done
before
and
more
and
the
students
then,
when
in
this
part
of
the
study,
used
meeting
ad
tech,
leading-edge
technology
and
they
produced
a
study
which
is
action-oriented
is
based
on
very
good
science
and
I
would
say
that
they
provided
their
services
in
a
very
economical
and
professional
fashion.
J
J
Anke
will
speak
more
to
this,
but
Dale
and
I
were
shocked
to
find
the
rapid
level
of
decline.
That's
a
happened
to
the
ravines
in
the
last
40
years,
particularly
from
invasive
species.
We
believe
strongly
the
developing
a
good
scientific
baselines
essential
for
any
intervention
that
will
conserve
our
ravines
for
future
generations.
Now
I'd
like
to
introduce
thank
you
for
who
were
means
have
become
a
passion
since
she
became
involved
in
their
study.
She
earned
a
master's
degree
in
2015
at
the
faculty
through
her
ravines
research,
and
it
does
presentations
on
this
topic.
J
K
You
Paul
it's
been
a
great
pleasure
to
resurvey
the
Rosedale
ravines
using
modern
standards,
more
specifically,
ecological
integrity,
we're
glad
to
see
that
the
draft
ravine
strategy
has
recognized
our
study
as
an
important
historic
baseline
data
set.
The
draft
also
considered
detect
as
one
of
the
five
guiding
principles
in
order
to
better
protect
this
ten
thousand
five
hundred
hectares
of
ravine
land.
We
ask
that
the
staff
reports
be
amended
specifically
include
the
words
ecological
integrity,
university
level
of
science
and
capacity.
K
Ecological
integrity
is
the
standard
framework
in
conservation
and
ecosystem
management
at
provincial
federal
and
international
levels.
The
official
definitions
are
slightly
different,
but
they
all
focus
on
the
composition
and
abundance
of
native
species.
Therefore,
ecological
integrity
allows
management
approaches
to
be
objectively
assessed.
An
example.
Research
at
Trent
University
has
found
a
critical
path:
width
of
width
of
pavement,
above
which
birds
populations
to
climb
markedly
before
planning
a
bike
path
or
a
paved
access
point
in
the
ravines.
We
need
this
type
of
quantitative
study
to
help
us
make
more
conscious
and
informed
decisions.
K
The
Faculty
of
Forestry
has
been
studying
the
ravines
for
over
a
hundred
years
with
expertise
and
experience.
We
can
help
restore
ecological
integrity
in
the
ravines
using
university
level.
Science,
as
we've
been
doing
since
2015,
when
Eric
Davis
and
I
met
Dale
and
Paul.
During
the
Toronto
ravine
strategy
open
house,
we
were
surprised
when
they
presented
us
with
their
pioneer
study
from
1977
the
Rosedale
ravine
study
that
applied
a
scientific
ecosystem
survey.
Four
decades
ago,
they're
two
hundred
page
report
provides
important
quantitative
data
describing
the
baseline
condition
of
the
ravine
ecosystem.
K
Yet
there
hasn't
been
any
follow-up
since
then
we
knew
it
was
time
to
resurvey.
The
data
we've
collected
are
depressing,
as
you
can
see
from
the
maps
over
there
in
nineteen
seventy
seven.
Ten
percent
of
the
ravine
canopy
was
already
covered
by
non-native
tree
species
by
2015
it
had
increased
to
40
percent.
Most
of
these
trees
were
Norway
maple,
one
of
the
most
invasive
species
in
North
America,
many
of
the
ash
trees
have
been
removed
due
to
attack
by
invasive
emerald
ash
borer.
We
also
found
evidence
of
beech
bark
disease.
K
That's
causing
dieback
of
beech
trees
across
Ontario
city
wide
trial
has
already
lost
third,
it's
73
native
tree
species.
If
this
trend
continues
in
2050,
60%
of
the
ravine,
canopy
would
be
non-native
species
and
the
ravine
will
eventually
become
a
green
desert
filled
with
Norway
maple,
Japanese,
knotweed
and
dog
strangling
lines
without
an
objective
framework
such
as
ecological
integrity
and
university
level.
Science
will
soon
have
nothing
to
conserve,
restore
or
protect.
The
good
news
is
that
we
believe
the
remains
are
still
saleable
at
this
point.
K
Using
a
scientific
approach,
you
can
still
see
nice
patches
of
habitat
here
and
there,
but
these
small
fragments
need
to
be
reconnected.
Bird
surveys
conducted
with
the
Toronto
ornithology
Club
have
confirmed
that
the
Rosedale
ravines
are
still
hot
spots
of
first
diversity.
Butterfly
survey
conducted
with
the
Toronto
entomologist
Club
had
found
a
number
of
Hickory
hair
streaks,
a
rare
species
that
only
lives
in
healthy
Hickory
woods.
We've
also
mapped
500,
large
old
native
trees
throughout
the
Toronto
ravines,
and
our
team
members
and
dedicated
citizens
are
still
recording.
K
Instead
of
obtaining
seeds
from
nurseries
in
Ohio
and
Oregon.
We
need
to
use
these
old
trees
representing
Toronto's
local
genetic
diversity
to
restore
the
ravine
forests,
while
working
in
the
ravines
we've
established
a
strong
relationship
with
many
of
the
the
adjacent
residents.
The
next
presenter
Catherine
burka
is
one
of
them.
She
has
witnessed
the
decline
of
ravine
house
and
has
the
passion
to
help
restore
it.
The
resurvey
of
Rosedale,
ravines
and
the
mapping
of
local
seed
sources
are
two
examples
of
how
you
of
tea
forestry
can
help
the
city
you
restored
the
ravine
house.
K
B
You
Anki,
my
name,
is
Katherine
burka
and
I've
been
involved
with
the
University
of
Toronto's
ravine
revitalization
study
for
three
near
years
now,
as
a
ravine
plot
owner
fundraiser
and
donor
I've
followed
the
six
masters
theses
with
avid
interest
from
the
spread
of
the
Norway
maple,
the
explosion
of
invasive
species
and
the
loss
of
small
mammals.
This
seminal
research
has
given
us
a
critical
winter
window
into
the
declining
health
of
our
ravines.
Above
all,
it
has
given
us
an
inventory
of
what
is
down
there.
B
How
can
we
talk
about
protecting
something
in
the
ravine
until
we
first
take
stock
of
what
we
have
down
there
to
protect
protect
simply
is
not
a
strong
enough
word
by
adopting
ecological
integrity,
we
can
also
objectively
assess
the
impact
of
this
ravine
plan
measure
what
works
and
what
doesn't
and
how
we
can
do
better.
The
executive
committee
must
realize
it's
a
very
lofty
goal
that
you
have
striking
a
fine
balance
of
having
this
wild
healthy
forest
in
one
of
North
America's
largest
cities.
B
How
do
we
realistically
achieve
this
balance
without
university
level,
science
to
inform
and
guide
us
in
our
decision
making?
So
our
first
recommendation
is
to
redefine
what
you
say
when
you
say:
protect
and
instead
use
ecological
integrity
AI,
which
is
now
the
standard
in
forest
management
all
over
the
world
as
your
framework
for
monitoring
our
ravines
health.
B
We've
been
blessed
with
this
phenomenal
urban
forest,
with
streams
running
through
it,
rare
and
endangered
species,
calling
it
home.
We
cannot
begin
to
call
ourselves
a
world-class
City
and
manage
this
really
unique
ravine
and
ensure
its
resilience
if
we
don't
use
world-class
experts
to
guide
us.
What
we
have
is
so
much
more
special
than
a
central
park
in
New
York,
but
with
the
ravines
uniqueness,
comes
fragility
necessitating
more
complexity
and
expertise
in
managing
it.
B
So
why
not
use
the
academic
expertise
that
we
have
here
in
the
faculties
of
Forestry
faculties
of
engineering,
landscape
architecture,
soil
sciences?
We
need
to
use
university
level
science.
Sometimes
the
city
has
policies
like
with
the
emerald
ash
borer
that
require
some
refinement
for
a
while.
We
have
known
that
there
are
ash
trees
that
are
resistant
to
the
emerald
ash
borer,
thus
cutting
the
resistant
trees
down,
not
only
cost
taxpayers
unnecessarily,
but
it
erases
these
genetically
resistant
trees
from
our
local
ecosystem
and
from
our
future,
no
more
ash
trees
in
Toronto.
B
We
cannot
undo
this
mistake,
but
we
cannot
allow
mistakes
like
this
to
happen
again
on
private
ravine
land
ravine
owners
are
rather
confused,
Bunch
and
not
with
that
reason.
The
layers
of
bylaws,
the
various
pieces
in
the
city
and
TRC
a
that
managed
the
ravines
voluminous
best
practice
manuals
on
removing
invasives.
They
all
serve
to
mystify
and
we
are
confused
regarding
Ontario's
2016
invasive
species,
legislation
which
can
now
find
individuals
up
to
$25,000
for
failing
to
control,
Japanese,
knotweed
and
dog
strangling
vine.
B
We
asked
you
is
the
city
compliant
with
provincial
legislation,
354
/
16,
the
Toronto
ravine
strategy
plan
doesn't
even
mention
it
so.
Thirdly,
we
recommend
incorporating
the
Ontario
invasive
species
act
into
your
ravine
strategy.
Most
private
property
owners
are
overwhelmed
or
completely
ignorant
of
the
issues.
Neither
the
TRC
a
nor
the
city
can
address
these
concerns
in
full.
The
Faculty
of
Forestry
has
the
capacity
to
deal
with
property
owners
to
organize,
educate
and
engage
them
in
managing
the
properties
cost-effectively,
with
the
help
of
a
city's
stewardship
model
and.
F
B
One
of
you
on
the
executive
committee
has
a
very
important
decision
here
to
make
don't
look
back
on
this
moment,
20
years
from
now
with
regret,
when
the
ecology
of
the
ravines
has
collapsed
and
the
ravines
are
merely
green
spaces,
with
bike
lanes
devoid
of
birdsong,
crickets,
coyotes
and
foxes,
we
urge
you
to
put
more
scientific
rigor
into
the
ravine
strategy.
Thank
you.
Thank.
F
B
F
L
J
L
There
so
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
understanding,
clearly
I
in
terms
of
the
work
that's
in
front
of
us
from
city
staff.
Is
there
adequate
scientific
baseline
there
for
us
to
even
know
what
we
need
to
do
going
forward
to
protect
the
ecological
integrity
and
biodiversity
of
our
ravines?
Do
we
even
have
that
baseline.
L
I've
sat
down
with
some
of
the
the
faculty
and
unfortunately,
sandy
and
others
aren't
here
today.
The
one
of
the
things
that
I
took
away
is
there's.
There's
a
co
benefit
here
to
the
University,
which
is
we
could
be
using
our
ravines
as
a
living
laboratory,
a
place
to
Train
graduate
students
undergraduate
students
in
conservation
biology.
Is
that
part
of
the
benefit
you're?
Looking
for
here?
Yes,.
J
I
was
going
to
put
that
into
my
presentation
but,
for
instance,
our
study.
Our
most
recent
study
has
employed
seven
students
and
it's
been
a
fundamental
keystone
in
helping
them
achieve
their
master
degrees
of
cause.
It's
given
them
a
practical
field,
experience
the
analytical
techniques
and
so
on,
and
so
on,
and
not
only
that
they
didn't
have
to
go
further.
All
you
do
is
get
on
the
TTC
and
goat
it
into
the
field.
B
L
B
L
K
Yeah,
of
course,
there
is
that's
the
problem,
big
problem
with
the
invasive
species,
because
species
like
Norway,
maples
and
Japanese
knotweed.
They
provide
poor
ecosystem
ecosystem
services
comparing
to
our
native
species.
They
don't
accommodate
many
species
of
birds
or
insects
or
mammals,
so
so
over
time.
That's
why
I
said
over
time.
Norway
maple
and
Japanese
knotweed
will
turn
the
ravines
into
a
green
desert.
Thank.
J
H
B
Not
an
academic
but
I
have
seen
the
academics
do
their
thing
in
the
ravine
and
what
they
do
is
they
really
they
take
10
meter
by
10,
meter
quadrants
and
they
look
at
every
grub
and
every
shrub
and
every
so
it's
very
detailed
in
this
document.
It's
not
clear
to
me
what
what
they're
doing
what
you
plan
to
do
so
we're
just
saying
that
there
is
an
element
of
scientific
rigor
that
we
believe
is
necessary
because
it's
unclear
in
the
document
what
it
is
you're
accessing,
assessing
and
how
big
these
segments
are.
Okay,
thank
you.
C
You
to
follow
on
councillor
Davis's
question.
This
may
be
clear
to
staff,
but
it's
not
just
not
clear
to
us
as
politicians,
the
term
ecological
integrity.
You
have
a
very
specific
recommendation
that
we
embed
that
term
in
our
recommendations,
is
it
because
that
is
more
globally
understood
to
do
to
represent
a
certain
bar
in
terms
of
what
we
might
be
protecting
and
how
we
would
be
evaluating
it
at
a
universally
understood
term?
Yes,.
C
Which,
in
my
only
other
question,
then,
is
your
you
had
some
very
specific
recommendations.
Do
we
have
that
in
in
written
form,
so
that
we
can
we
can
between
now
and
and
Council
if
they
aren't
all
at
it
today
between
now
and
Council,
we
can
go
through
them
and
and
make
sure
that
that
we're
aligned,
because
you've
certainly
made
the
case
for
the
recommendations
and.
J
F
I
I
I
just
wondered
if,
if,
if
you
took
into
account
extreme
weather
events,
so
I
think
about
the
ice
storm
and
the
impact
it
had
on
the
ravines
and
my
word,
my
word
was
very
hard
hit
in
that
particular
weather
event.
Have
you
done
any
assessment
or
any
analysis
of
that
the
impacts,
because
I
know
not
single
plant?
I
K
We
haven't
had
a
chance
to
do
that,
but
our
in
terms
of
extreme
weather
conditions
resulting
from
climate
change,
our
seed
collection
program,
is
something
we're
doing
for
to
prepare
for
the
climate
change.
We
want
to
collect
local
seeds
so
that
they're
more
adapted
to
the
local
climate
of
Toronto
and
they
have
the
genetic
diversity
to
combat
with
these
extreme
conditions.
K
I
Thank
you,
and
just
along
the
scientific
rigor
piece
that
you
were.
You
were
talking
about
in
the
ecology
of
the
ravine.
Were
you
consulted
at
all
through
the
development
of
the
that?
What
we
have
in
front
of
us
is
a
strategy
we
have
in
front
of
us
were:
were
you
consulted
all
or
involved
in
any?
You
know,
invited
to
a
public
consultation
or
public
are
asked
to
publicly
or
privately
submit
your
findings.
J
It's
a
good
question
and
I
believe
Eric
Davies,
who
was
originally
going
to
be
presenting
today,
but
he's
ill
from
the
faculty,
a
student.
There
was
involved
in
the
consultations
so
and
it's
too
bad
you
weren't
able
to
meet
him
today,
he's
quite
a
guy.
He
says
he's
a
well-spoken
advocate
for
the
ravines,
but
he
was.
We
were
involved.
Okay,.
J
I
Clearly,
you
feel
that
we
need
for
there's
need
for
ongoing
consultation
with
the
scientific
community
on
the
front.
That's
what
I'm
hearing
loud
and
clear
and
then.
Lastly,
your
diagram
I,
don't
know
if
you
can
pull
it
up
again
on
the
green
desert
with
the
with
the
years
as
I
they
unfold
and
this
the
percentages
which
is
unsettling.
So
how
did
you
come
to
this
conclusion
of
this?
Of
this
particular
chart?.
K
So
the
firt
the
data
of
the
first
panel,
we
got
it
from
the
old
study
done
by
Dale
and
Paul
and
the
middle
panel.
We
got
the
data
from
the
inventory
we
did.
The
team
did
in
2015
and
the
bottom
panel.
It's
it's
a
extrapolation
based
on
the
current
condition:
business
business
as
usual.
If
we
don't
do
any
actions
on
this
condition
situation,
it
will
be
like
this
in
2050.
So.
I
M
You
very
much
thank
you
so
much
for
coming
in
taking
the
time
and
we're
lucky
to
have
you
and
your
collective
knowledge
and
experience
in
the
room
and
too
bad
Eric,
isn't
here
next
time,
because
he's
he's
taught
us
a
lot
so
I'm,
just
looking
at
pages
a
couple
pages
of
the
report
where
the
ones
specifically
on
protection
mentions
ecological
function
and
resilience,
long
term,
sustainability
of
the
ravines
and
the
watersheds
and
ecological
health.
It
also
mentions
environmentally
significant
areas,
so
all
that
language,
you
feel
is,
is
not
sufficient
or
sufficient.
M
K
M
J
M
B
M
Right
and
then
the
last
one
is
include
your
knowledge
experience
using
science
and
whatnot.
So
with
our
we
are
doing
a
working
group.
As
you
know,
right
on
page
42,
it
mentions
the
working
group
bringing
together
the
city
TRC
a
and
external
stakeholders
in
the
community,
including
not-for-profit
and
educational
institutions,
to
develop
a
baseline
inventory
of
ravine
health
and
improve
monitoring
and
reporting
so
I'm.
Assuming
that
you
would
want
to
be
part
of
that
working
group,
yes
with
your,
and
that
would
include
your
scientific
knowledge
in
that
that
what
you're,
considering
yes,
all
right
great.
F
You
councillor
McMahon
other
members
of
the
committee
wishing
to
ask
questions
of
these
deputies.
If
not
I
will
thank
you
very
much
for
a
very
thoughtful
presentation
and
for
answering
all
those
questions
and
we've
learned
a
lot
from
it.
Thank
you
so
much
all
right,
they're
going
back
one.
We
had
Karen
you
kitch
from
protect
nature
tÃo,
who
is
next
on
the
list,
miss
you
kitch.
C
C
To
achieve
the
stated
goal
of
protection,
we
propose
three
recommendations:
firstly,
provide
ongoing,
sustainable
funding
for
the
ravine
strategy.
The
10-year
implementation
strategy
should
focus
not
only
on
capital
plans,
but
also
on
a
mechanism
for
ensuring
adequate
funding
for
the
operational
activities
identified
in
this
report,
many
of
which
needed
to
be
funded
as
soon
as
possible.
C
Number
two
develop
a
vetting
or
permit
system
for
work
being
done
in
the
ravines
to
ensure
coordination
and
protection
of
the
natural
heritage.
The
the
report
mentions
art
installation,
special
events,
that
type
of
thing,
but
it's
not
only
art
installations
and
special
events
that
can
damage
our
natural
areas.
Other
projects,
maintenance
work,
can
also
cause
harm.
Protection
of
wildlife
and
habitat
should
be
given
at
least
the
same
priority
that
is
presently
accorded,
for
example,
to
buried
utility
lines
and
number
three
maintain
meaningful,
transparent
consultation.
C
Toronto
is
truly
fortunate
to
have
substantial
remnants
of
centuries-old
natural
habitats
in
the
midst
of
our
highly
urbanized
City,
mostly
in
our
ravines,
which
support
a
remarkable
diversity
of
plant
and
animal
life.
Nature
can
be
surprisingly
adaptable,
but
it
has
a
tipping
point
beyond
which
losses
are
irreversible.
C
H
One
of
the
things
that
has
contributed
to
the
development
of
this
strategy
was
the
ongoing
ravine,
Advisory,
Committee
and
I
understand
from
speaking
with
staff
that
it's
their
intention
to
continue
that
Advisory
Committee.
Do
you
think
that
is
a
good
way
that
we
can
continue
to
have
community
input,
I.
C
Don't
know
enough
about
it
and
I.
Don't
know
enough
about
how
much
ongoing
connection
I
think
there
have
been
advisory
committee
meetings
and
opportunities
for
input,
but
I
I'm
not
sure
how
continuous
that
process
was
okay
and-
and
it
needs
to
be
ongoing,
it
needs
to
be
ongoing.
There
need
to
be
sort
of
key
checkpoints.
If
you
will
were
you
where
you
can
give
input
at
the
right
time,
sometimes
things
get
too
far
along
and
then
you
know
it's
too
late
to
really
change
the
direction
of
something
so
to
be.
C
Maybe
meaningful,
meaningful
and
transparent
are
two
words
that
I
use
because
whatever
form
it
takes,
you
need
to
be
given
an
opportunity
to
give
input
at
the
right
stage
and
and
and
for
your
you
know,
input
to
be
really
heard
and
help
guide.
I
recently
had
maybe
shouldn't
digress,
but
the
I
recently
heard
our
former
chief
planner
talked
about
in
condo
developments
and
all
that
and
how,
when
there
was
community
input,
the
project
got
better
and
I.
C
H
C
The
plan
here
mentions
for
the
first
five
years
to
aim
to
get
three
done
and
I
mentioned
that
it
it
was
passed
in
20
and
of
2015.
So
a
couple
of
years
of
already
passed
by
and
I-
don't
know
if
maybe
one
has
been
done
so
far.
I
don't
know,
but
that
relates
very
much
to
what
was
being
discussed
a
few
minutes
ago
about
having
action
plans
in
place
and
knowing
what
your
actual
inventory
is.
That's
that's
the
kind
of
detailed
work
that
will
go
into
the
management
plan.
K
C
All
that
needs
to
be
in
in
place
in
order
for
them
to
be
managed
properly,
and
then
staff
need
to
be
trained
because
it's
the
ongoing
operational
staff,
the
park
operations,
who
are
actually
there
all
the
time
and
they
need
to
know
when
they're
next
to
a
Natural
Area.
What
should
they
or
shouldn't
they
be
doing
right.
H
It's
interesting
to
me.
You
raised
this
issue
around
for
me,
this
question
of
who
governance
sort
of
like
who
has
lead
responsibilities
in
the
end
for
implementing
these
plans
that
have
multiple
divisions
that
all
have
a
finger
in
the
pie,
and
should
it
really
be
the
Park
supervisor
whose
job
it
is
to
cut
the
grass
in
the
baseball
diamond?
Is
that
a
sufficient
enough
kind
of?
H
C
C
F
Can
count
you
Davis?
Are
there
other
I,
don't
see
any
other
Carol
you're?
Okay?
Obviously
anybody
else
from
outside
inside
the
committee
members
of
the
executive
committee
wishing
to
ask
questions
of
this
decadent
well,
thank
you
very
much
for
being
with
us
today.
Much
appreciate
it.
Next
we
have
Robert
Spindler
Moorpark
residents,
Association.
N
Okay,
I'm
John
Boston's,
representing
the
Summerhill
residents
association.
This
is
Rob
Spindler,
representing
the
Moore
Park
residents
association
and
Joe
New
York,
representing
Deer
Park
residents,
association,
work
three
of
five
residents
associations
that
have
basically
formed
a
consortium
to
because
of
our
concern
about
the
degrading
state
of
the
Vale
of
Avoca
remained
that
our
residence
areas
surround
it's
just
one
of
many
ravines
in
the
city,
which
has
basically
being
allowed
to
degrade,
robbed
we'll
show
some
pictures
once
I
get
this
computer
linked.
That
will
illustrate
how
bad
the
situation
is
in
our
ravine.
G
We
thought
and
picking
up
on
councillor
Davis's
comment
about
funding
your
question
about
about
funding.
I.
Think
our
issue
here
that
we
wanted
a
table.
The
ravine
strategy
says
a
lot
of
nice
things.
There's
you
know
we're
totally
supportive
of
the
strategy
and
hard
to
take
issue
with
with
elements
of
it,
they're
obvious
improvements
that
could
be
made
that
other
groups
have
have
highlighted.
G
We're
here
today
say
all
well
and
good,
but
where's
the
money
going
to
come
from.
We've
been
advocating
for
ravines
for
quite
a
few
years
now
and
have
learned
through
working
with
the
various
city
departments.
There's
city
departments
are
well
intentioned,
they've
got
some
great
people,
some
great
expertise,
they
don't
have
any
money
and
they
don't
there's
nowhere
near
enough
money
that
anybody
is
talking
about
to
actually
implement
the
ravine
strategy.
G
If,
if
what
you
mean
to
do
is
implement
a
strategy
that
will
forestall
the
2050
event
that
you
saw
on
that
map,
the
direction
we're
going
we're
60%
of
our
forest
is
Japanese
knotweed
and
Norway
maple.
So
this
is,
these
are
photographs
and
you'll
just
get
John
to
scroll
through
them.
To
give
you
an
idea,
the
enormity
of
the
problem
where,
in
this
particular
ravine,
the
banks
are
failing,
the
slopes
are
sliding
into
the
creeks.
G
The
forests
above
are
slipping
into
the
creek
the
work.
This
is
more.
This
is
a
lot
more
than
just
pulling
some
Japanese
knotweed
it's
about
stabilizing
slopes
and
replanting
on
a
massive
scale.
You
can
see
here
in
this
photograph
that
used
to
be
a
trail
going
through
the
ravine
about
10
10
years
ago.
It
is
now
well,
you
can
see
if
you
probably
could
walk
along
it,
but
not
very
easily
another
section,
just
the
left
of
the
photograph.
The
top
left
corner
you'll,
see
that
great
bite.
G
The
trail
used
to
go
right
down
the
middle
of
that
photograph.
That
was
to
two
to
three
years
ago
in
two
to
three
years
that
bite
has
been
taken
out
and
that
slope
is
sliding
down
into
the
ravine
power-on
another
example
a
tree
that
has
tumbled
into
the
creek
bed
from
from
the
slope
above
I.
Thank
you.
There's
one
of
the
bridges
in
the
ravine,
which
has
been
washed
out
by
storm
flow,
I,
think
you
know
major
storm
events
over
the
last
few
years
have
completely
wiped
out
that
bridge.
G
E
Mara
Tori,
my
name
is
John
York,
a
member
of
the
Deer
Park
residents
and
group.
We
moved
into
the
area
five
years
ago
and
I
gradually
became
aware
of
the
effort
by
other
groups,
abutting
Yellow
Creek
and
David
Balfour
Park,
to
raise
awareness
about
the
deterioration
of
really
ravine.
For
many
years
our
family
have
walked
cross-country
ski
dan
parks
around
Toronto
and
environs
and
I
continue
to
walk
and
explore
them.
When
we
moved
into
an
apartment
in
the
area
five
years
ago,
I
looked
forward
to
walking
in
the
ravine
more.
E
I
believe
this
underscores
the
urgency
of
the
comprehensive
approach
to
tackle
this
I've
read
the
draft
of
the
return
to
ravine
strategy
and
the
implementation
strategy
and
command
those
for
the
huge
amount
of
work
that
has
gone
into
them.
They
identified
five
guiding
principles,
protect,
invest,
connect,
partner
and
celebrate.
We
know
this
is
a
long-term
project
and
one
that
will
require
money
and
a
coordinated
effort.
E
However,
with
the
broad
scope
and
work
required
by
the
ravine
strategy,
I'm
concerned
that
the
restoration
of
Yellow
Creek
will
get
lost
in
the
shuffle,
it
will
be
several
years
before
work
on
the
creek
bed.
Another
work
and
begins,
however,
I
wonder
whether
some
other
work
could
start
immediately
and
I
refer
to
the
reforestation
section
of
the
draft
submission
the
removal
of
invasive
species,
conceits
planting
a
native
trees
and
ground
cover,
so
that
as
the
work
progresses,
some
healthy
ravine
banks,
both
banks
will
be
emerging.
E
There
are
knowledgeable
people
who
have
expressed
an
interest
in
studying
the
ravine.
The
other
areas,
education,
I,
believe
that
this
could
be
initiated
with
some
schools
in
the
area,
which
would
provide
an
opportunity
to
engage
young
people
in
the
stewardship
of
the
natural
environment
in
our
city.
I
believe
that
the
revitalization
of
Willow
Creek
was
a
good
fit
with
the
five
guiding
principles
of
the
ravine
strategy
to
protect
and
best
connect,
partner
and
celebrate.
This
is
a
personal
submission.
N
What
this
really
shows
is
how
badly
this
ravine
has
sunk
down.
Now,
if
we
take
a
look,
if
we
took
a
look
at
the
these
pictures
of
washed
out
paths
washed
out
bridges,
this
is
because
this
ravine,
like
so
many
ravines
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
is
not
neither
a
park
nor
an
environmentally
sensitive
area.
Instead,
it
is
a
storm
sewer.
The
the
normal
flow,
as
you
can
see
in
some
of
these
pictures,
is
maybe
about
a
cubic
foot
per
second
of
water.
N
In
this
in
the
storm
that
occurred
in
July,
we
got
about
450
cubic
feet
per
second
of
water.
You
can
understand
the
difference
between
that.
What
do
you
think
of
it
is
that
we
have
something
like
15
tons
of
water
per
second
hitting
into
into
a
ravine
bank
like
this,
it's
no
wonder
that
they
degrade
that
they
fall
down
that
they
disappeared,
and
why
is
this
happening?
There's
simply
because
the
city
has
grown.
N
Climate
change
is
causing
more
free.
Large
storms
and
the
city
has
basically
sat
back
like
a
slum
landlord
landlord,
seeing
you
know
the
roof
with
holes
in
it
and
not
bothered
to
do
repairs.
No
I
understand
why
repairs
are
expensive
and
to
do
something
here,
but
I
do
want
to
give
credit
to
Toronto
water
and
to
Toronto
Parks
for
recognizing
that
this
is
a
priority.
N
This
particular
ravine
is
a
priority
and
the
ad
starting
a
hydrogen
morphic
study
next
year,
which
will
come
up
with
plans
for
how
to
deal
with
the
erosion
problem,
but
it's
much
more
than
that.
I
mean
this
is
a.
This
is
essentially
a
park
resource,
an
environmental
resource
and
an
educational
resource
for
a
Midtown
Toronto
with
all
of
the
development
that's
occurring
in
the
Yonge
Street
corridor
and
we're
talking,
after
all,
according
to
the
provincial
growth
plan
of
another
700,000
people
in
the
city
of
Toronto.
N
Between
now
and
twenty
forty,
you
know:
where
did
they
go?
Where
are
the
parks?
If
we
don't
put
money
into
bringing
our
ravine
system
back,
we
will
not
have
the
parks.
It's
fine.
If
you
want
to
say,
Toronto
should
be
like
Hong
Kong,
with
very
few
parks.
That's
in
fact
a
bit
of
a
misnomer,
because
actually
Hong
Kong
has
the
mountain
behind
it,
which
does
provide
Park
lat.
N
But
if
you
want
to
say
that
we
should
be
like
well
under
still
perhaps
well
I
understand,
hi
the,
where
density
is
growing
so
fast
that
there
is
very
little
natural
resources
left
fine,
but
the
people
of
Toronto
will
pay
a
big
cost.
We
need
ravines
that
children
can
run
in
seniors,
can
walk
in
that
people,
just
as
we
need
more
parks
in
the
table,
land
of
Toronto.
We
need
more
money
to
be
sent
to
the
ravines.
So
what
we
argued
we're
pleading.
Please
approve
this
ravine
strategy,
but
police
funds.
It.
F
H
N
And
if
you
just
say
well,
you
don't
want
to
pay
taxes.
We
just
won't
do
anything
then
you're,
basically
saying
we're
not
going
to
be
a
great
safe.
Oh
yes,
I
would
say.
Yes,
we
should
pay
more
taxes.
As
an
economist,
I
would
say,
we
should
also
be
looking
for
more
ways
of
raising
money
from
taxes,
I
I.
H
N
O
Thank
you
very
much,
mr.
mayor,
through
you
and
through
the
panel.
Thank
you
very
much
for
presentation.
I
live
on
a
river
back.
My
house
backs
onto
a
ravine,
so
I
know
exactly
what
you're
talking
about
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
it's
Claire.
So
you
are
in
support
of
the
recommendation.
I
guess
saving
accept
with
some
additional
comments
and
ideas
around
recommendations.
That's
been
made
by
some
of
the
other
folks
who
have
spoken.
Is
that
correct.
N
Strategy
is
doing
a
good
job
of
trying
to
find
an
organized
way
of
coming
to
the
right
balance,
which
will
be
different
in
different
ravines,
and
we,
of
course,
are
very
concerned,
as
was
the
previous
deputation
about
the
problem
of
invasive
species.
For
example,
the
point
was
made
that
property
owners
would
pay
fines
for
an
infestation
of
Japanese,
not
what
well
it's
a
huge
one.
N
F
F
That
would
bring
us
to
now.
There
are
two
but
you're
welcome
to
come
separately
or
together,
but
it
would
bring
us
next
to
Linda,
breath
and
I.
See
down
below.
13
is
John
Burt,
both
from
bluer
East,
Neighborhood
Association,
miss
Pratt
is
actually
next
on
the
list.
Mr.
Burke
I
see
you're
joining
her,
so
that's
fine
where
well.
We
welcome
you
both.
E
E
E
We
we
represent
the
Rosedale
Valley
ravine
from
basically
Park
Road
to
Bayview
extension,
just
just
before
that,
and
we're
here
to
certainly
support
the
report
and
the
can
and
the
recommendations
within
the
report
we're
very
interested
to
hear
the
U
of
T
presentation
and
also
the
comments
there.
We
could
go
on
with
the
degradation
of
the
ravine
as
it
continues
in
our
area,
including
the
bicycle
path,
shared
bicycle
path
and
and
the
and
and
also
the
the
roadway.
E
All
of
that
we
could
go
on,
but
we
aren't
are
here
is
to
talk
about
something
that
we
believe
is
an
issue
that
was
skirted
in
the
report
and
although
it
does
not
address
the
actual
physical
characteristics,
the
ravine,
it's
something
that
we
believe
that
should
be
dealt
with
and
talked
about
in
conjunction
with
our
ravine
strategy
and
that
that
takes
the
form
of
pictures
and
it
talks
about
the
human
interpretation
of
the
ravine
of
the
people
that
call
the
ravine
their
home.
We
over,
we
have
two
bridges
within
our
area.
E
Actually
we
have
three,
but
one
of
them
is
Glen
Road,
which
is
which
we
don't
have
pictures
of
that
that
are
in
terrible
state
right
now
and
have
been
for
several
years.
But
I
think
that
in
talking
about
a
ravine
strategy,
you
also
have
to
talk
about
how
you
deal
with
the
people
that
call
the
ravine
their
home.
E
Do
you
want
to
capitulate
and
take
care
of
them
within
the
ravine
and
could
take
care
of
them
humanely
and
and
with
respect,
or
do
you
want
to
try
and
move
them
out
which
has
monadic
successful
in
my
lifetime?
In
Toronto,
there
has
to
be
something
to
deal
with
that
now
we're
going
to
show
some
pictures
and
one
of
them
I'm
going
to
tell
you
is
very
graphic
and
it
may
be
disturbing,
but
these
are
the
conditions
that
we
live
with
an
overlook
and
smell
on
a
daily
basis.
E
Some
of
these
were
taken
last
year.
Some
of
them
were
taken
this
year,
but
this
this
is
the
state
that
you
allow
your
ravine
to
be
in
the
resources.
Don't
seem
to
be
there
to
take
care
of
it
in
a
orderly
manner.
We've
mayor
Torinos
and
he
has
responded
to
a
letter,
so
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
the
letter
and
our
request
in
the
letter
that
he
is
asking
for
response
by
October
I
ate
too
many
of
our
concerns.
E
F
Because
you're
kind
enough
to
walk
together,
if
you
want
to
take
an
extra
minute
for
mr.
Burke
to
say
something
or
whatever,
but
then
we
can
move
to
questions
and
you'll
have
more
to
say
in
that
time.
But
don't
you
know
you
did
come
together
and
that
otherwise
would
have
been
two
times
five.
So
we
can
save
a
couple
of
minutes.
We
will
do
that.
Thank.
P
You,
mr.
chairman,
the
main
concern
we,
what
we've
heard
this
afternoon
in
the
other
presentations,
is
most
fitting.
What
we've
also
heard
is
that
there
maybe
should
be
a
Parks
Department,
look
out
for
the
plateau
and
ravine
coordinator
to
look
after
the
ravines
and
that's
makes
sense
to
a
person
like
myself.
So
there's
two
issues,
one
is
coordination
and
the
other
one
is
governance.
P
That
Kyle
Ray
said
that
in
the
year
prior
to
him,
stepping
down
that,
once
the
bureaucracy
knew
that
he
was
no
longer
to
be
councillor,
then
no
response
was
being
received
by
the
bureaucracy
to
get
work
done
on
the
ravine
and
therefore
he
is
EA
said
to
me:
John.
You
seem
to
know
more
about
how
to
get
these
departments
and
their
heads
together
than
we
do.
Would
you
just
take
over
the
file?
P
Well,
three
years,
three.
Actually,
five
years
later,
now
we
come
to
last
year
and
we
brought
together
all
the
department,
heads
or
the
representatives
from
the
police
were
informed.
The
fire
were
informed
right
through
to
streets,
to
homes,
to
transportation,
and
what
we
see
is
a
massive
schism
between
all
these
departments.
Most
of
them
are
willing
to
do
the
work,
but
they
don't
seem
to
hand
off
in
an
orderly
manner.
So,
by
the
time
the
work
gets
to
a
certain
point.
P
The
police
have
become
in
on
the
warrants
and
then
move
the
people
out
of
the
area
so
that
the
area
can
be
cleaned.
Now,
we're
at
a
point
where
a
commitment
of
cleaning
the
ravine
three
times
a
year
has
been
dropped
back
to
one.
It
hasn't
been
done
yet
and
the
under
the
bridges
that
they
now
are
in
a
situation
where
it's
biologically
dangerous
and
they're
going
to
be
asking
for
a
contractor
to
come
in
and
clean
the
area
before
they
can
do
is
attempt
to
seal.
P
P
So
there's
a
never-ending
cycle
without
a
resolution,
and
so
part
of
the
the
coordinated
strategy
has
to
be.
Can
you
not
find
a
resolution
to
get
the
departments
to
work
together
to
get
the
work
done
and
then
you,
as
a
council,
fund
the
work
that
needs
to
be
done,
but
they're
now
saying
to
us
they're
going
to
make
a
request
to
you
for
the
2018
budget
for
those
bridges
to
be
bricked
in.
E
Chain-Link
fence
around
our
bridges,
with
stronger
security
fences
to
keep
trespassers
out.
So
that's
that's
our
story.
We
believe
it.
We
believe
parts
of
the
issues
belong
within
the
reads:
deep
ravine
strategy
and
you're.
Also
hearing
our
frustration
in
my
life
in
my
term,
living
over
top
of
the
ravine
has
been
15
years.
It's
a
15
years
struggle
to
keep
on
top
of
and
keep
and
get
people
out
to
actually
do
the
cleanups.
And
what
have
you?
E
People
in
my
building,
look
out
of
their
balconies
underneath
the
Sherbourne
bridge?
They
have
visitors
from
all
over
the
world
that
come
out
and
look
at
what
you
saw
of
garbage
and
that's
what
they
see
of
Toronto.
So
that's
our
plea-
and
our
plea
is
also
to
look
at
how
this
can
work,
how
we
can
help
these
people
and
work
within
the
ravine
strategy
to
get
to
some
sort
of
resolution
and
plan.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
C
E
No,
we
appreciate
that
we
don't
we're
not
looking
at
NIMBY
get
rid
of
them.
What
we're
looking
at
right!
It's!
How
can
we
a
call
exists
with
them
right,
okay
and
if
you're
going
to
do
a
ravine
strategy
and
we're
going
to
coexist
with
people
living
in
the
regime.
That
should
also
be
part
of
the
strategy.
Okay,.
C
Okay,
that's
what
we're
saying
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
clear.
So
not
many
things
anywhere
in
my
area
for
over
20
years,
no
no
I
was
living
there
who,
if
we
had
with
no
sensitivity
at
all,
just
held
her
out
of
the
ravine
against
her
will,
but
my
neighborhood
would
have
been
in
revolt
because
they
were
actually
quite
humane
about
it.
Absolutely.
C
C
E
You
want
to
helping
in
clean
City,
and
that's
one
of
our
next
call
is
to
the
Health
Department,
because
it
isn't
unhealthy.
When
you
have
transportation
telling
you
there's
nobody
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
that's
trained.
Okay,
I'll
read
you
to
clean
under
the
bridge,
we
will
need
to
bring
in
a
private
contractor
with
suitable
hazmat
gear
due
to
the
overwhelming
amount
of
human
waste
and
use
needles
and
other
personal
belongings
and
garbage
which
are
relatively,
which
are
in
a
relatively
confined
space
under
a
portion
of
our
your
city's
bridge
right.
E
Okay
and
such
cleanup
is
beyond
the
training
and
capabilities
of
our
staff.
Mm-Hmm
we
are
currently
obtaining
quotes
to
do
the
works.
Now.
Those
conditions
have
been
there
for
15
years.
I
mean
they
get
cleaned
up
periodically
right
there.
We
could
reoccurring
conditions.
So
if
the
city
had
some
way
of
even
providing
garbage
cans
right,
there's
not
one
garbage
can
down.
F
H
E
Well,
we
sat
down
with
I,
don't
know
how
many
department
heads
yes,
they
talked
about
how
they
coordinate,
but
there
doesn't
seem
to
be
a
central
person
that
makes
sure
that
it
all
gets
done.
We
have
responses
responses
from
forestry.
That
said
well,
we
couldn't
get
everybody
together,
so
we
did
our
pieces
of
the
property.
As
you
know,
there
are
many
partners
in
the
ravine
right
and,
and
it's
very
complicated
to
do
the
cleanups.
E
Yes,
so
you
really
need
somebody
over
top.
That's
going
to
go
into
that's
over
top
of
each
of
these
departments
is
going
to
project,
manage
it
and
make
sure
that
it
all
gets
done
properly
and
I
know
parts
of
what
have
parts
of
what
we
believe
happened
this
year
is
that
resource
has
got
pulled
elsewhere.
You
had
some
stress:
you've
had
some
disasters
we
had
down
at
the
waterfront
and
what
have
you
and
the
people
that
do
us
do
them
as
well,
so
they
get
pulled
away.
E
H
But
we
have
you,
know
five
different
divisions
all
have
a
piece
stake
in
that
Park
and
ravine,
but
they
did
not
seem
to
be
coordinating,
but
part
of
my
interest
as
the
counselor
was
to
make
sure
that
there
was
a
plan
of
even
you
know,
scheduled
improvements
or
way
that
we
could
identify
the
kinds
of
improvements
and
or
maintenance
issues
that
needed
to
be
overseen
and
monitored
and
implemented
on
an
ongoing
basis.
So,
like
a
real
plan
that
somebody
was
responsible
for.
Is
that
something
that
you're
looking
for.
E
It
would,
it
would
certainly
be
helpful,
certainly
working
diligently
with
councilor
want
a
mess
office,
and
it
was
that
you've
also
got
to
realize
how
many
other
perks
and
the
ravine
spaces
that
counsel
want
am
is
also
looking
after
and
trying
to
advocate
for
no
it's
it's
a
very
labor
intensive
and
what
your
suggestion
is
is
possible.
We
could
take
it
back
to
council
council
long
time
well,.
H
D
I'm
from
in
oh
I
would
be
on
Canada.
You
take
that
off,
not
part
of
your
name,
part
of
its
name,
so
I
want
to
thank
you,
matauri
and
their
members
of
the
Executive
Committee
I'm,
not
sure
if
it's
as
exciting,
as
is
for
us
for
in
this
deputation
process.
But
it's
a
wonderful
process
and
and
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
listen
to
us
all.
The
deputations
have
been
great
this
morning
and
it's
a
testament
to
the
importance
I.
D
That
mean
that
they
can't
access
areas
like
Algonquin
Park,
for
example,
which
is
where
we
would
traditionally
program
our
biggest
impact
on
students.
Learning
and
growth
is
our
overnight
programs,
our
overnight
expeditions
and
it's
the
journey
and
with
300
kilometers
of
trails
within
the
ravines
of
Toronto.
That's
a
great
resource
to
make
programs
more
accessible.
D
D
D
The
city
at
the
moment
has
a
blanket
refusal
of
camping
of
any
kind
in
the
ravines.
There
is
a
precedent
for
allowing
camping
in
Canada,
the
BC
Supreme
Court,
guided
by
the
Charter
of
Rights
and
Freedoms,
had
recently
allowed
camping
in
and
around
Vancouver
and
in
Toronto.
You
serving
not-for-profit
groups
are
able
to
camp
on
snake
island,
but
there's
no
connection
within
the
rest
of
the
ravines.
It's
a
hugely
impactful
experience
for
our
students.
So
the
ravine
strategy
is
a
much-needed
boost
for
Toronto's
greatest
asset,
but
please
consider
working
within
bylaw
608.
D
In
conjunction
with
the
ravine
stack
strategy
allowing
camping
in
Toronto
ravines,
there's
no
reason
why
small
Leave,
No,
Trace
style,
camping,
expeditions,
managed
by
recognized
leaders
in
risk
management
and
adhering
to
strict
guidelines
can't
occur
within
the
ravines,
which
has
positive
effects
for
all
five
of
the
ravine
strategies,
guiding
principles
and
teaches
our
students
to
protect,
invest,
connect
partner
and
celebrate
our
events.
Thank
you
very
much.
F
M
M
D
Were
restricted
just
to
the
Glen
Rouge
campground,
but
we're
working
on
the
management
strategy
for
the
new
national
park
to
have
some
backcountry
the
campgrounds.
Throughout
there
we've
we've
tried
to
connect
with
the
zoo
and
with
TDSB
sites
throughout
there
to
have
other
overnight
spots
as
well.
Okay,.
D
D
F
Q
You
very
much
and
as
Mary
mentioned
I'm
with
evergreen,
so
I
actually
get
the
privilege
of
watching
some
of
the
kids
play
with
the
over
outward-bound
programming
I
get
to
work
down
at
the
brickworks,
which
is
a
huge
privilege
and
part
of
why
evergreen
is
here
today
and
so
on.
Behalf
of
evergreen
I
wanted
to
congratulate
you,
as
the
executive
committee,
City,
Council
and
staff,
for
this
landmark
report
in
support
of
Toronto's
incredible
ravine
system.
Q
For
those
of
you
that
don't
know,
evergreen
is
dedicated
to
making
cities
flourish
since
1991
we've
been
hard
at
work,
transforming
spaces
into
great
places
so
that
communities
can
thrive.
This
is
evident
in
our
work.
Designing
a
school
grounds,
building
community
programs,
collaborating
on
transportation,
housing
and
water
issues,
and
imagining
and
developing
the
Evergreen
brickworks
social
enterprise
since
1991
evergreen,
a
Canadian
charity
and
international
thought
leader,
has
provoked
bold
action
in
transforming
public
landscapes
into
thriving
community
spaces
with
environmental,
social
and
economic
benefit.
Q
So
evergreen
has
been
deeply
involved
with
the
strategic
planning
and
concert
projects
in
the
Don
River
Valley,
and
we
were
thrilled
to
see
this
report,
which
provides
an
intentional
and
coordinated
framework
vision
and
approach,
their
management
of
Toronto's
ravine
systems.
For
the
first
time,
we've
heard
a
great
length
today
about
how
Toronto
is
one
of
our
greatest
assets.
The
rat.
Q
The
ravine
system
touches
nearly
every
neighborhood
in
Toronto
and
provides
opportunities
for
recreation
learning
relaxation
for
millions
of
residents
and
as
our
city
continues
to
grow
and
densify,
the
ravine
system
offers
a
shared
back
that
back
yard
for
millions
of
residents.
We
believe
the
adoption
of
the
ravine
strategy
is
a
crucial
step
in
increasing
access
to
the
ravines,
while
protecting
its
Nash
or
natural
ecosystem
and
plays
an
important
role
in
mitigating
impacts
and
risks
from
climate
change
across
the
city.
Q
Mostly,
the
ravine
strategy
provides
the
city
of
Toronto
the
framework
to
take
bold
steps
by
just
investing
in
specific
ravine
enhancement
projects
such
as
improved
access,
new
public
spaces
and
parks,
natural
feature
enhancements
and
conservation
efforts.
We
understand
that
the
maintenance
and
improvements
of
our
ravines
and
the
physical
infrastructure
located
within
them
is
crucial
and
that
a
city
with
competing
financial
priorities,
sustainable
financing,
can
be
challenging.
Many
Deputies
today
have
highlighted
the
need
to
identify
funding
to
meet
this
great
challenge
and
great
opportunity.
Q
The
recommendation
to
convene
a
table
of
relief
ravine
leaders
is
one
such
opportunity
to
partner
with
and
leverage
private
philanthropic
support
to
catalyze
third
party
investments
in
the
system,
as
well
as
support
actions
to
celebrate
this
unique
and
precious
Accent
asset.
This
kind
of
philanthropic
support,
in
conjunction
with
sustainable
city
investments,
could
help
speed
up
the
overall
investments
in
the
ravines,
including
timetables
for
the
esa
s
and
the
need
for
increased
ecological
protection.
Q
There
are
precedents
within
the
ravines
of
this
kind
of
shared
governance
structure
that
have
been
met
with
tremendous
success,
as
evidenced
by
the
evergreens
leadership
on
the
Don
Valley
Park
art
program
in
evergreens,
partnership
of
the
City
of
Toronto.
From
last
weekend's
ravine
days,
we've
seen
firsthand
a
shared
working
model
with
community
leaders
from
the
municipality,
not-for-profits
and
others
come
together.
We
have
great
success.
Q
There
also
worldwide
examples
of
successful
private
and
public
partnership
models
for
park
maintenance,
for
example,
the
Central
Park
Conservancy
is
a
private
nonprofit
organization
that
manages
Central
Park
under
contract
to
the
city
of
New
York.
Since
its
founding
in
1980,
the
Conservancy
is
invested
more
than
800
million
USD
towards
the
restoration
enhancement
of
Central
Park.
With
contributions
from
Park
area
residents,
corporations
and
foundation,
the
Conservancy
provides
75
percent
of
the
park,
65
million
annual
operating
budget.
Q
We
believe
that
a
ravine
leaders
round
table
could
be
structured,
acknowledging
the
ravines
as
a
culturally
significant
landmark
in
Toronto
akin
to
the
Toronto
Centre
of
the
arts
and
other
city-owned
cultural
centres,
as
well
as
being
a
natural
landmark
in
the
city.
The
ravines
are
a
cultural
and
historical
landmark.
They
tell
the
story
of
Toronto's
history,
but
also
Canada
in
the
world's
history.
The
ravines
are
a
place
to
celebrate
and
learn
about
indigenous
historical
and
current
usage.
Q
So
we
know
these
models
exist
and
finding
the
right
one
will
be
crucial
for
the
long-term
success
of
our
ravines
and
City.
As
with
everything,
the
devil
will
be
in
the
details.
Decisions
around
the
structure
and
management
model
of
the
ravine
leaders
table
will
be
paramount.
We
hope
that
it
will
create
a
clear
partnership
with
the
City
of
Toronto,
provide
clear
directions
around
the
membership
of
the
table,
to
include
the
diversity
of
regime
stakeholders
and
clear
outline
to
balance
the
increased
access
and
animation
of
the
ravines,
while
maintaining
the
ecological
health
of
this
incredible
asset.
Q
C
Thank
you,
I
just
want
to
be
clear
because
you
well,
as
you
know,
we
we
don't
really
have
well.
I
was
gonna,
say
robust,
but
we
don't
actually
have
a
conservative
model
full
stop
at
the
moment,
such
as
they
have.
You
know
fully
developed
in
over
a
couple
of
decades
and
some
other
cities,
but
I'm
trying
to
understand
you're
not
proposing
that
we
set
up
and
overall
you
know,
a
mega
Conservancy
that
oversees
the
whole
strategy.
You're
you're,
you're
speaking
to
it
as
as
a
part
of
yeah.
Q
Just
as
the
recommendation
to
set
up
this
ravine
leaders
table
and
see
what
that
looks
like
for
Toronto,
I
think
that
a
Toronto
solution
is
going
to
come
out
of
this,
but
that
we
really
support
this
idea
of
bringing
in
other
stakeholders
to
talk
about
what
this
management
and
philanthropic
support
of
a
ravine
strategy
would
look
like.
But.
C
The
prioritization
framework
and
things
like
the
monitoring,
the
study
that
that's
been
recommended
today
and
prioritizing
city
spending,
so
there
are
real
public
dollars
in
public
stewardship
going
into
this
you're,
not
talking
about
replacing
that
you're
talking
about
as
they
go
through
their
process.
The
model
may
work
as
part
as
I.
Q
We
see
this
as
a
way
of
supplementing
and
working
together.
There
absolutely
needs
to
be
dedicated
funding
from
the
city
to
help
a
just
to
help.
Philanthropic
donors
know
that
this
is
something
that
the
city
takes
seriously
to
enable
that
kind
of
donation,
and
so
that
the
city
has
its
own
structure
that
we
would
add
onto
right.
Q
H
Q
Think
it's
necessary
to
integrate
them
a
little
bit
as
some
of
the
other
deputies
mentioned.
It
is
harder
to
fundraise
money
for
pure
ecological
maintenance
things,
but
if
it
was
part
of
an
overall
strategy,
I
think
you
could
you
could
end
up
doing
that
and
so
looking
at
other
models
that
would
allow.
Q
H
A
difference
between
fundraising
and
management
and
governance
and
I
guess
I'm
sounding
word,
because
I
am
if
this
is
the
direction
this
is
going.
It
worries
me
a
lot
so
I
can
understand,
fundraising
and
potentially
partner
philanthropic
donations
for
some
special
features
somewhere,
but
not
management.
So
is
that
the
position
of
evergreen
we.
L
You
over
here,
so
you
heard
the
presentation
from
the
University
of
Toronto,
I,
assume
and
I
was
wondering.
Did
you
share
that
sense
that
the
job
one
has
to
be
establishing
an
ecological
baseline
so
that
we
can
figure
out?
You
know
we're
limiting
factors
and
stressors
are
that
it
could
cause
significant
ecosystem
loss.
I.
Q
L
Q
Has
been
our
experience,
yeah,
we
have
tried
to
fundraise
as
an
organization
in
the
in
the
valley
system
that
people
are
more
inclined
to
support
things,
that
sort
of
look
flashy,
but
you
can
you
can
partner
those
things
that
say:
yes,
we're
absolutely
going
to
do
this
great
art
installation,
but
as
part
of
this
package,
it
includes
funding
for
this.
This
research,
this
ecological
maintenance
work
right.
L
Now,
I'm
just
trying
to
make
sure
I'm
getting
my
my
chickens
and
eggs
in
the
right
order
here,
but
I
think
what
I
heard
from
the
U
of
T
is.
We
have
to
have
the
scientific,
baseline
up
front
and
I
think
the
reasoning
for
that
is
pretty
clear
that
if
you
don't
have
that
and
then
you
start
putting
in
recreational
uses
and
and
more
intensive
uses,
you
could
be
unwittingly
doing
irreparable
damage
so
I'm
a
little
concerned
that
if
you're
well
we'll
give
you
you
know
a
new
campsite,
that's
all
flashy
and
I.
L
Q
Way
that
we
as
evergreen
understood
the
structure
of
this
ravine
table
would
be
that
people
like
the
UFT
group
would
be
at
that
table
to
have
those
conversations
and
make
that
decision
collectively.
I,
don't
think
that
the
idea
is
to
put
one
thing
over
the
other,
but
to
actually
have
a
really
robust
consultative,
manage
or
not
even
management,
but
advisory
service
around
how
projects
are
picked
outside
of
the
city
is
framework
to
allow
for
this
to
speed
up
and
to
really
meet
the
vision
that
I
think
everyone
who's
demonstrated.
L
F
Thank
You
councillor
perks
and
thank
you
know
just
to
see
if
there's
questions
of
any
members
of
the
committee,
the
ones
you've
just
answered
from
councillors.
Okay!
Well,
if
not
well,
thank
you
very
much,
miss
Potts
for
the
deputation
and
for
your
answers
to
those
questions,
and
that
brings
us
to
the
last
of
our
deputy,
dents
Gary
brick.
R
You
and
thank
you,
mirror
Tory
and
the
executive
committee
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
talk
before
you
I
I
apologize
for
my
appearance,
I'm
running
between
meetings
and
and
and
and
wanted
to
be
here
but
I
guess.
One
of
the
meetings
were
doing
organizing
protests
in
Charlie
Park
too,
with
regard
to
the
Charlie
Hill
trail,
that's
being
built
by
the
city,
and
you
can
ask
oh
she's
gone
if
she
wanted
asking
questions
about
budgets.
R
I
for
my
sins,
I
ended
up
graduating
and
and
becoming
an
investment
banker
and
live
much
of
my
career
overseas
and
had
the
good
fortune
of
being
able
to
translate
foreign
currencies
into
Canadian
dollars
for
a
period
of
time
and
was
able
to
afford
to
buy
a
house
in
North.
Rosedale
I
was
really
attracted
by
the
to
the
area
because
Charlie
Hill
was
there
it's
an
environmentally
significant
areas
designated
by
the
city
and
I.
R
What
I
want
to
say
today
with
regard
to
the
ravine,
is
that
you
know,
after
Hurricane,
Hazel
in
1954
stem
studies
recommended
ways
to
protect
the
ravines
and
water
systems
that
run
through
the
GTA.
The
most
visible
result
was
building
restricting
buildings
in
the
building
in
the
ravines.
Also
importantly,
the
Commission
recommended
that
15
flood
control
downs
be
built
north
in
the
northern
part
of
the
GTA
and
and
beyond
to
date.
R
So
you
can
imagine
if
we
had
had
buildings
in
that
area.
What
would
happen
so
over
over
recent
decades,
the
province
has
put
in
put
protections
in
place
to
protect
the
Oak
Ridges
Moraine
from
being
paved
over
to
protect
the
water
systems
flowing
through
the
GTA,
from
searches
and
drying.
The
philosophy
or
the
science
is,
is
to
view
the
Oak
Ridges
Moraine
as
a
sponge.
R
That
is
to
let
water
seep
into
the
soil,
to
allow
it
to
go
through
a
process
of
slow
release
into
water
systems
as
pure
water
released
over
time
and
reduce
surges
and
maintain,
and
also
maintain
continuous
flow
in
our
in
our
streams
that
go
through
the
GTS.
So
they
don't
dry
up.
It's
a
very
important
policy.
R
R
What
what
I
want
to
really
say
is:
you
know
the
rationale.
We
need
a
rational
ravine
strategy
with
new
macro
thinking.
The
city
needs
to
make
sure
that
it
controls
water
in
in
in
the
ravines
in
both
quantity
and
quality,
and,
secondly,
the
city
needs
to
enact
policies
that
view
the
GTA
as
a
sponge,
which
would
rather,
which
would
encourage
water
to
be
absorbed
into
the
ground
where
it
is
naturally
purified,
rather
than
an
umbrella
policy,
which
the
city
currently
follows.
All.
F
F
I
F
O
F
You
know
well
say
counselor
care,
Janice,
I
just
was
trying
to
be
fair
to
all
the
other.
Decadents
who've
had
five
minutes
and
he
had
six
I
gave
him
an
extra
minute
yeah.
That's
all
so
cuz
the
occasion
if
your
question
was
eat,
some
oven
unfairly
treated
I've
been
treating
people
very
fairly
all
day,
I.
R
I
respond.
Yes,
please
do.
Thank
you
very
much.
What
I?
One
of
the
things
that
I
did
want
to
say
is
that,
as
a
result
of
this
policy
of
paving
your
the
GTA,
the
inners,
the
water
systems
of
the
inner
city
are
more
like
open
sewers.
Today,
water
is
running
off
of
the
streets
through
storm
sewers
and
bringing
all
forms
of
waste
into
the
ravines,
and
there
are
ways
that
other
progressive
cities
are
using
to
try
to
purify
that
water
before
it
goes
into
the
into
the
water
systems
and
I.
F
F
H
H
S
H
A
H
S
H
H
Okay,
that's
great
and
I
wanted
to
ask
about
the
recommendations
that
pop
out
attached
to
this
report.
There's
one
tiny
part
of
the
strategy
that
talks
about
partnerships
and
working
to
look
with
philanthropic
organizations,
particularly
for
fundraising,
and
then
there
are
the
recommendations
about
setting
up
a
table
that
the
partners
table,
or
whatever
it's
called
the
ravine
leaders
and
to
work
with
an
organization.
H
S
Through
You
mr.
mayor
two
separate
questions
really
the
first
around
philanthropic
interest
and
the
recommendations
in
this
report
here
today
speak
to
the
need
to
create
a
new
philanthropic
table
specific
to
the
ravine
strategy.
That
would
look
very
specifically
at
items
connected
to
the
ravine
and
would
be
as
far-reaching
as
possible
from
a
stakeholder
perspective,
with
a
very
specific
fundraising
goal
towards
specific
projects
in
the
ravine
system.
Based
on
the
strategy.
The
second
question
around
whether
we're
looking
at
various
management
models
and
Conservancy
models.
S
We
already
have
a
few
different
models
that
are
operating
within
the
ravine.
Evergreen
brickworks
was
here
today
they're
a
good
example
of
a
stakeholder
that
is
operating
within
the
ravine
system
and
doing
some
work
in
partnership
with
the
city
and
also
on
their
own,
as
with
their
own
status.
Mr.
Jorgensen
was
here
from
the
Botanical.
S
C
Yes,
just
a
quick
follow-up,
the
the
I
think
they're
the
TRS
mister
group,
mr.
Scribner,
so
there
are
specific
recommendations.
Is
there
any
impediment
to
to
setting
that
standard,
as
that
is
the
strategy
built
on
such
a
foundation
that
that
it
would
be
would
be
easy
enough
to
to
zero
in
on
the
standard
like
that,
so.
S
Through
you,
mr.
mayor
there,
there
are
recommendations
in
the
report
in
the
strategy
that
speak
to
the
three
recommendations
that
the
University
of
Toronto
brought
forward
and
some
of
them
have
been
referenced
already.
On
page
two,
we
speak
to
partnerships
and
involving
educational
institutions
around
that
ecological
metrics,
so
to
speak,
and
we
also
speak
so
to
speak.
C
S
S
Intent
is
is
to
to
work
first
of
all
with
the
system
that
the
TRC
a
is
using
around
ecological
integrity
and
to
include
as
much
stakeholder
input
into
how
that
might
be
changed.
You
know
through
you,
mr.
mayor,
we
don't
have
recommended
in
the
report
to
adopt
a
different
model
than
is
that
is
currently
being
used,
but
we
can
certainly
have
a
look
at
that
model
and
see
how
it
fits
in
with
the
work
that
we're
doing
with
TRC.
So.
C
An
executive
member
might
want
to
move,
perhaps
a
brief.
You
know
between
now
and
council,
or
some
actual
actually
I,
see
a
members
going
to
take
this
up
in
some
form
or
other.
So
I'm
done,
I
only
have
one
other
question.
A
prioritization
framework
is,
is
something
they're
starting
to
see
far
more
often
than
we
see
the
words
implementation
plan,
the
prioritization
framework,
here's
some
things,
we'd
like
to
do
and
here's
the
timeframe
we'd
like
to
do
the
min,
but
you're
not
actually
asking
council
to
commit
to
a
time
frame
and
an
implementation
plan.
I.
S
Threw
you,
mr.
mayor,
I'll,
start
that
and
ask
my
colleagues
to
add
to
it.
I
think
the
idea,
the
first
idea
around
a
prioritization
framework,
because
we've
never
had
a
list
of
priorities
in
the
ravine
system
before
I've
never
had
criteria
that
identifies
those
Christ.
Those
those
priorities.
So
I
think
that
is
a
is
a
good
first
step
in
the
strategy
around
identifying
those
things.
The
next
step
is
then
working
collaboratively,
as
we
do
within
divisions
around
how
we
can
move
forward
on
some
of
those
priorities.
S
A
To
continue
the
next
step,
mr.
mayor
would
be
then
sitting
down
with
teaming
using
the
framework,
as
approved
by
council,
to
start
that
implementation
plan,
that
that
is
the
challenge.
You
cannot
build
an
implementation
plan
without
having
clear
priorities,
because
otherwise
you
have
competing
priorities
from
brain
different
organizations.
A
This
plan
helps
us
align
those
priorities
and,
over
the
next
few
years,
staff
will
be
able
to
sit
down
present
their
various
programs
and
and
and
potential
projects
and
start
aligning
them
up,
and
you
have
now
the
development
of
an
implementation
plan
with
a
long
term
capital
plan,
so
that
is
one
of
the
recommendations
is
to
start
building
that
plan
and
bring
it
forward.
But.
C
The
partnering
and
the
base
lining
and
and
agreeing
to
a
standard
it's
it's
well
and
good
to
partner
up.
But
if
council
wants
to
say
here's
what
has
to
happen
or
ravines
within
20
years,
they're
going
to
have
to
nail
that
down
and
vote
to
say,
let's
pick
a
year
and
be
done
in
20
years.
That's
not
what
the
prioritization
framework
as
a
step
actually
completes.
Unless
council
gives
you
that
direction,
I
think.
A
You'll
get
that
once
you
start
to
see
the
capital
plans
that
stuff
put
together
and
come
forward
out
of
this
framework.
Those
discussions
could
then
happen
with
Council.
They
would
see
the
order
priority
of
projects
and,
if
Council
then
wants
to
influence
some
of
those
priorities,
they
can
then
do
that
and
staff
could
go
away
and
look
at
the
implications
of
doing
that
from
budgets.
Cost
to
to
timing.
Okay,
okay,.
C
F
L
C
Through
the
mayor,
there's
about
eight
management
plans,
our
management
plans
that
incorporate
about
80
essays
so
far
and
plans
to
we.
In
addition
to
that,
we
have
detailed
information
on
each
of
the
ESA
s
that
were
done
as
part
of
the
original
study
and
we've
done
more
detailed
work
on
57
of
those.
So
we're
in
a
good
position
to
now
start
to
actually
develop
the
management
plans
and
we've
identified,
starting
with
three
for
the
short-term.
L
Priority
three
three
and
how
many
just
roughly
I,
if
I
recall
they
the
work
and
honestly
I'm
stretching
trying
to
remember
it.
A
very
large
number
of
the
ESA
s
were
in
our
ravine
loads,
so
we've
we've
got.
We
have
plans
in
place
for
eight
you're
planning
to
do
three
and
so
I'm.
Just
curious
if
part
of
the
strategy
were
discussing
here
involves
intensification
of
uses.
How
do
we
do
that
prior
to
having
the
management
plans
in
place.
S
You
know
straight
through
you,
mr.
Merrit
yeah
I,
think
the
identification
of
the
ESA
is
a
first
step
because
it
protects
those
lands
from
from
a
number
of
things
as
their
status
as
an
environmentally
significant
area.
So
I
think,
as
with
all
of
the
recommendations
in
this
plan,
we
try
and
balance
as
much
as
we
can
around
all
of
the
uses
that
that
people
want
certainly
the
identifications
of
those
ESA
s
would
be
a
foundational
piece
around
usage
in
various
parts
that
remain
do.
L
I
appreciate
that
I
would
never
I
would
never
doubt
that
we
would
do
the
best
use
the
best
information
available.
What
I'm
asking
is
there
there
are.
There
are
recognized
approaches
that
are
used
globally,
I'm
familiar
with
them.
I've
looked
at
them
in
other
contexts
where
you
study
the
ecological
integrity
and
it's
multidisciplinary.
Do
our
management
plans
for
our
ecologically
sensitive
areas
meet
that
standard?
Yes,.
F
J
S
Through
the
through
you,
mr.
mayor,
it's
an
excellent
question
and
part
of
the
capital
work
that
we
need
to
do
going
forward
when
we
one
of
the
recommendations
in
this
report
is
coming
forward
with
a
coordinated
capital
plan
between
the
various
divisions
and
agencies
that
are
involved
in
the
ravine
and
identification
of
those
development.
Funds
that
are
going
in
would
be
part
of
that
strategy.
So,
as
an
example,
there
may
be
a
number
of
different
divisions
that
are
contributing
into
any
one
project
and
portions
of
those
may
be
development
funded,
but
others
may
not.
S
A
Remiss
Mirage
I
would
just
add
to
that
from
an
infrastructure
standpoint
or
servicing
stormwater
management
point
of
view.
Toronto
water
would
examine
any
new
development
and,
as
part
of
that
process
identify
whether
stormwater
projects
are
required
and
whether
that
development
would
then
contribute
development
charges.
We
would
have
to
identify
that
stormwater
project,
though
in
in
our
background
study.
So
we
are
reviewing
that
right
now,
as
we
speak,
because
the
five-year
renewal
for
the
development
charges
by
law
is
underway.
S
J
A
A
I
know
that
a
trial
water
on
top
of
that
alone
is
giving
eight
to
nine
million
dollars
just
for
critical
erosion
sites.
On
top
of
the
general
contribution
we
provide
to
them,
and
so
we
do
meet
with
them
regularly
to
talk
about
prioritizing
the
work
that
they
have
with
respect
to
ravines
and
water
courses.
A
In
particular,
councils
already
approved
a
methodology
for
for
TRC
a
to
work
with
Toronto
water
to
prioritize
the
work
on
private
ravines
because,
as
you
heard
earlier,
there's
a
significant
amount
of
land
owned
privately
in
our
ravines
and
TRCA
takes
the
lead
on
that
on
the
public
lands.
If
there's
erosion,
and/or
impact
to
critical
infrastructure,
Toronto
water
is
the
lead,
and
so
we
meet
regularly
with
their
staff
to
coordinate
that
program
and.
J
R
I
Do
you
have
a
plan
to
deal
with,
we
heard
it
in
the
presentations?
Thank
you
very
much.
Do
you
plan
to
deal
with
individuals,
backyards
that
are
really
integrated
with
the
ravine
system?
Is
there
some
way
to
tackle
that
lack
of
education
for
those
some
of
those
individuals
who
interface
so
closely
with
the
ravine
through.
A
You,
mr.
mayor
it
if
you're
referencing
properties
that
may
actually
not
just
the
but
the
ravine,
but
actually
their
own
properties
that
are
the
ravine.
Yes,
the
Toronto
region,
Conservation
authority
is
the
lead
on
that
and
they
have
the
provincial
jurisdiction
to
deal
with
top
of
bank
issues,
encroachment
issues
and
regulate
actually
within
that
Phil
line,
and
they
do
regularly
consult
with
those
private
homeowners.
In
fact,
where
I
referenced
earlier,
there's
a
policy
already
approved
by
council
on
helping
homeowners
manage
erosion
issues.
A
I
S
A
You
meritorious
wanted
to
ask
about
the
ravine.
So
how
does
the
ravine
strategy
fit
in
with
neighboring
municipalities,
because
there's
a
lot
of
connection
points
the
Rouge
River
Highland
Creek?
They
all
connect
him
with
other
municipalities.
Can
you
comment
a
bit
about
how
we're
interacting
with
other
municipalities
and
what
they're
doing
with
the
ravine
strategies,
if
any
at
all,.
N
The
Toronto
region,
Conservation
Authority,
works
with
all
the
surrounding
municipalities
and
the
intention
of
the
ravine
strategy.
Mr.
mayor
is
that
all
our
work
would
be
coordinated
and
TRCA
will
actually
lead
a
Coordinating
Committee
through
all
of
this
that
deals
with
a
lot
of
the
protection
and
ecological
integrity
and
restoration
protection
type
of
issues,
and
that
will
include
the
surrounding
municipalities,
stakeholders
we're
on
the
receiving
end
of
what
comes
down
the
rivers
and
so
on.
N
O
You
very
much
for
Samira
through
you,
I
wanted
to
understand
what
is
the
game
plan
and
I
know
you
talked
a
little
bit
about
education
and
so
on.
But
what
is
the
communication
plans
to
educate
the
public,
particularly
residents
whose
properties
back
on
to
ravine
I'll,
give
you
an
example.
We
have
dealt
with
some
erosion
of
shorelines
and
so
on
and
then
205
we
lost
a
major
portion
of
the
Birkdale
ravine.
O
Excuse
me,
one
of
the
things
that
we
discovered
was
that
there
were
many
residents
who
cut
their
their
lawns,
so
they
had
the
grass
clippings
and
they
would
actually
just
throw
that
into
the
ravine,
and
we
discovered
that
created
obviously
moisture
and
allowed
for
the
the
earth
to
seep
away
over
time
and
when
we
spoke
the
residents
about
that,
they
were
offended
by
the
fact
that
that
was
an
issue
I'm
just
wondering,
particularly
on
that
specific
matter.
How
are
we
educating
the
public
with
respect
to
these
concerns.
N
N
O
You
so
I
understand
this
is
a
strategy
in
terms
of
moving
to
how
we
protect
our
ravine
and
how
we
collaborate,
how
we
communicate
and
so
on.
Have
you
sort
of-
and
we've
talked
around
numbers,
such
as
section
42
funds
and
other
mechanism
of
resources
to
fund
and
support
the
ravine?
What
what's
the
quantum?
What's
the
number,
what
are
we
talking?
What,
if
we
had
a
billion
dollars,
two
billion
dollars,
three
billion
dollars?
What
would
that
price
be.
S
Through
three
mr.
Mehra
I
I,
think
part
of
the
strategy
is
to
look
at
our
coordinated
capital
plans
and
to
try
and
leverage
the
resources
that
we
already
have
that
are
being
spent
on
the
ravines
in
terms
of
a
dollar
figure
around.
What
we
would
need
to
spend.
We
haven't
certainly
collaboratively
identified
that
number
yet,
but
I'll
ask
mr.
de
Jero
motive
to.
A
You,
mr.
mayor,
we
have
quantified
some
of
the
impacts
of
erosion
and
water
course,
management
issues,
and
just
right
now
in
Toronto
waters
budget,
for
example,
Toronto
water
infrastructure
alone.
Over
the
next
ten
years
we
have
over
a
hundred
hundred
million
dollars,
allocated
we're
also
contributing
about
93
million
dollars
to
the
TRC
a
over
ten
years
for
just
erosion
control
sites.
I
could
go
on
and
on
and
on
so
you're
talking,
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
to
deal
with
just
erosion.
O
O
A
monitor
police,
the
ravine,
ensuring
that
we
have
staff
who
could
actually
do
the
work
that
needs
to
be
done?
Would
we
be
required
to
retain
the
services
or
hire
new
city
staff
to
really
help
us
to
fully
augment
and
implement
a
real
protective
plan?
I
realize
it's
a
strategy,
and
so,
but
have
you
done
that
work?
At
this
point?
That's.
S
For
you,
mr.
mayor,
we
have
not
done
the
fullness
of
that
work,
yet
that
is
part
of
the
reporting
back
piece
that
we've
committed
to
in
this
report.
What
we
are
doing,
certainly
in
PFN,
are
to
take
some
leadership
in
this
is
allocating
one
position
through
realigning
a
number
of
other
positions
that
would
be
entirely
focused
on
ravine
and
the
ravine
strategy
to
start
the
the
coordination
of
all
that
work.
That
needs
to
come
forward.
So,
as
far
as
you
know,
costs
down
the
line,
we
don't
we
just
don't
have
that
identified.
Fen.
M
S
Through
you,
mr.
mayor
I,
guess,
there's
a
number
of
groups
that
would
continue
through
this
strategy.
The
first
is,
there
has
been
a
larger
ravine
advisory
group
that
has
been
guiding
the
recommendations
and
the
and
the
creation
of
this
strategy
and
I
would
like
to
thank
them.
All
many
of
them
are
here
today,
and
the
idea
would
be
that
that
group
would
certainly
continue,
and
there
may
actually
be
additional
advisory
subgroups.
That
would
start
from
that
group.
S
S
The
working
group
as
I
mentioned,
already
exists,
so
we
would
continue
look
at
group
and
we
would
meet
with
those
in
the
philanthropic
world
already
involved
in
the
ravine
system
and
through
some
outreach
brings
some
new
leaders
together.
Certainly,
there
has
been
some
interest
already
expressed
by
a
number
of
members
of
the
community
that
that
have
offered
to
help
in
that
regard.
Thank.
N
Through
you,
mr.
mayor,
a
lot
of
erosion
occurs
as
I
understood
the
question.
The
concern
was
expressed
that
sometimes
in
the
understory
of
the
trees,
there's
no
vegetation.
A
lot
of
that
problem
exists
because
we
have
so
many
invasive
species
where
you
have
native
species
and
undisturbed
soils
there's
always
a
good
mix
of
understory,
so
managing
the
invasives
is
part
of
the
strategy.
That's
part
of
the
issue,
bigger
issue
that
we
need
to
deal
with.
N
Some
of
the
slopes,
though,
throughout
the
city,
are
what
we
call
supernatural,
that's
to
say:
they're
they're,
exaggerated
they're,
they're
steeper
than
they
were
originally
because
they've
got
a
lot
of
fill
on
them.
That's
just
a
reality
of
what
we've
got
because
of
the
way
the
city
was
built
and
where
the
ravines
were
used
as
as
a
dumping
ground,
and
so
our
task
is
to
try
and
find
some
of
the
longer-term
stabilization
techniques
and
strategies
and
alternate
Oh
turn
that
over
to
mr.
de
Geronimo,
three.
A
Mr.
mayor,
yes,
that
the
there's
some
erosion,
that's
naturally
occurring
some
of
some
of
our
creeks.
When
we
complete
our
studies,
we
note
that
they
move
and
most
rivers
and
creeks
will
move
over
time.
That's
a
natural
phenomena
and
what
you
need
to
do
is
protect
those
floodplains
to
allow
those
rivers
to
move.
Unfortunately,
in
certain
parts
of
the
city
we
built
way
too
close
to
that
that
movement
and
that's
when
we
run
into
problems,
because
we
will
have
then
over
the
years
built
up
you'll
see
a
lot
of
gabion
baskets.
A
You
saw
them
at
some
of
the
pictures.
Those
were
older
techniques
that
we
use,
they
don't
hold
up
well
over
time,
they
fail,
and
then
you
get
a
faster
slip
on
on
that
slope.
So
part
of
our
efforts
are
to
look
at.
How
do
you
go
in?
There
harden
those
areas
where
we've
already
caused
a
lot
of
damage
to
repair
it,
but
what
we
leave
behind
is
much
more
natural,
looking
better
for
aquatic
habitat
and
can
withstand
the
test
of
time
and
some
of
the
major
storms
that
we're
seeing
now.
A
G
To
that
answer,
there
are
hundreds
of
proprio
nur's
that
they
keep
on
paving
the
driveways
and
literally
parking
lots
and
adjacent
to
to
these
ravines,
where
of
course,
all
the
runoff
will
end
out
and
to
the
lowest
point
creating
further
erosion.
Is
there
any
plans?
Do
we
have
any
percentage
appropriate
that
have
torn
probably
paid,
and
there
are
not
in
compliance
with
environmentally
friendly
solutions
that
we
have
in
other
parts
of
sealing.
A
Through
mr.
Mehra
I
do
not
have
any
details
on
the
specifics
of
properties
that
have
paved
over,
and
what's
the
percentage
now
of
a
paved
versus
green,
that
that
kind
of
information
very
difficult
to
generate
in
the
city
we
did.
We
did
look
at
that
previously
drawn
water
when
we
were
looking
at
some
of
the
stormwater
issues
that
we
were
managing.
What
we
try
to
do
is
continue
to
encourage
homeowners
to
manage
the
runoff
on
their
property.
A
We
do
have
statistics
on
the
downspout
disconnection
which
is
part
of
that
solution,
so
it
doesn't
just
run
off
on
the
roadway,
get
it
to
stay
on
your
property
overall,
we're
about
seventy
nine
percent.
This
disconnection
rate
in
general,
some
words
are
better
than
others,
and
and
so
what
we
tried
to
do
is
keep
reminding
homeowners
just
pushing
the
water
off
your
property
as
quickly
as
you
can
causes
problems
in
the
city.
If
we
all
do
it,
it's
about
each
of
us
managing
our
various
components
along
the
way.
My.
G
Last
question
would
be
feasible
perhaps
to
create
the
set
of
guidelines
or
recommendations
that
moving
forward
for
properties
that
usually
occur.
They
continue
grain
all
those
spaces,
maybe
just
to
have
some
guidelines
that
will
encourage
them
just
to
maintain
at
least
a
percentage
of
green
space,
as
opposed
to
paint
the
whole
thing.
A
Three
Millions:
those
policies
would
have
to
be
looked
at
through
potentially
property
standards,
bylaws
or
zoning
bylaws.
So
it's
a
different
set
of
laws
that
we'll
have
to
look
at
rather
than
the
bylaws
of
Toronto
water
deals
with
the
idea
with
what
goes
into
the
pipe
and
they
can
I
could
manage
it
that
way,
but
there
are
other
bylaws.
We
should
be
looking
at
to
achieve
what
you're
talking
about.
Thank.
F
L
You
thank
you
very
much.
Mr.
mayor
I
want
to
begin
by
acknowledging
the
the
very
hard
work,
both
by
staff
from
so
many
departments,
but
also
from
from
members
of
the
community.
Our
ravines
are
very
well
loved.
It's
where
I
learned
how
to
ride
a
bike
which
you
know
I
know
as
of
no
general
benefit
to
the
city,
but
it's
just
a
nice
anecdote.
L
As
someone
know
who
who
did
study
environmental
sciences
and
and
policy
at
the
University
of
Toronto
I'm
concerned
that
we
haven't
done
a
thorough
on,
we
don't
have
as
good
information
now,
as
we
did
a
generation
ago
on
the
state
of
ecological
health
of
our
ravines
and
well.
Yes,
some
work
has
been
done.
L
L
You
need
to
know
what
you're
you
need
to
know
where
your
ecological
vulnerabilities
are
first,
and
you
know,
and
that's
why
I'm
delighted
that
the
University
of
Toronto-
and
there
are
other
educational
institution
in
the
Greater
Toronto
Area,
who
could
perhaps
partner
as
well,
have
stepped
forward
I,
mean
and
frankly,
I'm
disappointed.
We
don't
do
more
in
partnership
with
the
University
of
Toronto
I
I
mean
you
know
other
than
the
city
manager
is
occasional
and
incredibly
enlightening
speeches
at
the
Munk
Center
I.
L
Don't
think
we
do
enough,
and
this
is
an
opportunity
where
they've
come
forward
and
volunteered
so
I
really
do
hope.
The
executive
committee
takes
those
recommendations
and
puts
them
into
effect
with
some
motions
that
go
on
to
council,
because
we
have
an
opportunity
to
do
something
important
for
the
ravines
and
as
a
final
thought.
The
thing
to
remember
about
those
ravines
is
no
amount
of
money
can
buy
them.
L
It
doesn't
matter
how
much
public
money
we
put
into
improving
the
City
of
Toronto
it
you,
you
couldn't
create
this,
doesn't
matter
how
many
dollars
you're
it's
not
like
rail
deck
Park!
It's
something
that
we
are
lucky
stewards
of
where
if
we
are
smart
and
wise
and
plan
accordingly,
we
will
have
forever.
L
But
if
it's
something
we're
not
smart
and
wise
about-
and
we
don't
plan
for
now,
we'll
lose
them
and
we
will
never
ever
be
able
to
replace
them
simply
having
green
grass
growing
on
the
side
of
a
hill
with
a
trail
running
through
it
doesn't
what
does
not
replicate
the
incredible
gift
we
have
in
this
city,
which
is
our
V
Network,
and
that's?
Why
I
think
it's
so
important
that
we
do
the
ecological
baseline
work
first
before
we
make
further
plans
and.
H
H
So
thank
you
and
to
all
of
our
staff,
who
have
brought
forward
I
think
a
very
thorough
and
comprehensive
report
on
how
we
move
forward
to
achieve
the
goals
that
I
think
we
share
and
are
reflected
in
the
principles
of
the
report
number
one
to
protect
number
two
to
invest:
number
three
to
partner
and
four
to
celebrate
and
I
think
those
are
ranked
because
the
number
one
priority
has
to
be
to
protect
our
ravines.
They
are
our
green
lungs.
They
are
what
make
Toronto
so
special.
H
We
are
renowned
for
these
ravines
that
are
within
our
wonderful
watersheds
across
this
city.
We
have
taken
them
for
granted
for
far
too
long
and
I'm
so
glad
that
we
have
a
coordinated
approach
across
all
divisions
to
make
sure
that
we
are
addressing
them
in
a
systemic
way.
In
the
city
of
Toronto
and
I'm
I
know
there
will
be
others
who
will
say
the
same
thing,
but
we
aren't
the
plan
which
is
going
to
identify
ten
priority
neighborhoods
to
address
over
the
next
10
years.
H
Just
isn't
ambitious
enough
and
I
understand.
Why
I
understand
why
our
staff
don't
bring
forward
more
forward-looking
and
more
aggressive
plans,
because
we
have
many
of
them
that
once
they
go
through
the
grind
of
the
budget
process
end
up,
never
being
implemented
portions
that
are
never
implemented
so
they're
bringing
forward.
H
Some
limited
number
of
implementation
strategies
now
I
do
want
to
say
that
I'm
that
I
am
very
pleased
that
we
are
going
to
I'm
very
pleased
with
the
actual
approach,
which
is
the
segments
of
the
ravine
system,
are
being
identified,
we're
going
through
a
process
of
prioritizing
them,
and
then
there
will
be
a
very
intensive
look
both
to
establish
the
ecological
baseline
and
to
look
at
how
we
actually
coordinate
the
work
for
future
improvements
in
those
areas.
I
think
you're
carving
them
off
in
manageable
chunks,
and
that
is
an
approach
we
have
to
take.
H
If
we're
going
to
do
each
chunk
and
each
watershed
and
each
ravine
thoroughly
and
well,
we
just
have
to
do
it
faster
I
do
have
to
say
I'm
thrilled
that
the
Taylor
Massey
Creek
study
and
the
geomorphic
study
that
Toronto
water
is
doing
that
is
kind
of
the
backbone
of
our
planning
is
going
to
go
forward
separately
or
ahead
of
these
next
ten,
but
I
have
to
say
at
3:37.
Thank
you
that
I
probably
am
NOT
alone.
H
When
I
expressed
my
original
views
when
I
brought
forward
the
first
motion
to
say,
let's
look
at
how
these
departments
coordinate,
that
it's
very
frustrating
that
we
have
toronto
water
doing
one
thing
you
have
natural
environments,
doing
either
your
forestry
doing
other
recreation,
doing
something
else,
parks
doing
something
else,
and
they
were
not
talking
to
each
other,
at
least
in
a
way
that
we
saw
or
in
a
way
that
the
public
saw.
And
so
often
we
struggle
to
figure
out
who's
going
to
fix
this.
H
H
F
I
Bird
that
aren't
overly
exciting,
but
I
think
need
to
be
highlighted
and
I
just
want
to
start
by
thanking
the
excellent
deputations
and
speakers
that
we
had
today.
You
all
did
a
great
job,
well
researched
and
well
presented.
So
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
do
the
legwork
involved
in
making
your
presentations.
I
These
are
the
motions
I
want
to
move.
I've
cleared
this
with
staff
as
well
as
I
spoke
to
the
chair
of
Parks
and
Environment
councillor
McMahon
about
it.
She
also
is
a
supporter
of
these,
so
I
hope,
you'll
support
them
as
well
and
I
think
there's
self-explanatory,
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
them,
but
it's
what
we
heard
from
our
friends.
I
You
of
tea
today
are
from
the
U
of
T
submission,
and
these
are
things
that
are
partially
in
the
report,
but
also
an
opportunity
to
highlight
them
through
these
motions.
I
want
to
be
very
brief
because
time
is
ticking,
but
I
want
to
say
bravo
to
all
the
city
staff
involved
in
this
strategy.
They've
done
an
excellent
job
and
I
want
to
actually
say
that
I
I
think
this
felt
Philips
I
can't
say
that
word.
Thank
you
piece,
I
think
it's
in
figure
out
what
appendix
it
is.
I
think
it's
Table
two
in
the
report.
I
The
fundraising
and
working
on
having
this
example
of
an
arm's-length
not-for-profit,
is
the
way
forward
for
City
Hall.
We
can't
do
it
all.
We
can't
do
it
all.
Well,
I
think
staff
would
agree
with
me.
Looking
at
organizations
like
evergreen
the
Toronto
Botanical
Gardens,
these
are
stellar
organization
organizations,
their
best
practices.
I
Two
I
also
want
to
thank
staff
because
it's
a
shout
out
to
staff,
because
we
don't
often
see
this,
but
I
was
very
happy
to
see
that
they're
trying
to
kind
of
retain
the
financial
impacts
and
that,
while
they're
asking
for
our
they're
signing
one
permanent
position
in
parks
to
this
they're,
not
asking
for
a
new
FTE
and
said
they're
they're,
reallocating
an
internal
staffer
to
this
role
and
I
think
that's
very
impressive.
That
they've
come
forward
and
saying
we're
going
to
continue
to
work
on
this
within
our
complement.
I
M
M
Here
I
am
so
you
heard
from
outward-bound
today
that
they
would
like
to
explore
this
concept.
It's
for
youth,
not-for-profit
youth
groups,
small
groups,
Leave
No,
Trace
camping,
so
let's
just
I'm
just
asking
for
a
report
for
that.
So
I
love
your
support
on
that.
What
I
like
about
the
ravine
strategy
staff
is
I
love
the
ravine
leaders,
I
love
the
protection
working
group,
the
stakeholder
group.
That's
been
working
so
hard,
I
love
the
ravines
trust,
that's
a
new
thing!
That's
what
we
have
to
look
forward
to.
M
We
need
to
think
about
groups
or
that
kind
of
scenario
for
funding
our
parkland,
as
we
will
for
real
debt
Park
once
a
troll
zone,
I
love
the
outreach
to
your
key
stakeholders
and
you
have
a
whole
group
of
a
whole
selection
of
stakeholders.
You
have
all
these
fantastic
grassroots
volunteer
groups.
You
have
big
philanthropists
ken
Tannenbaum,
you
have
great
Park
people,
you've
ever
green
Andy
Chisholm.
M
You
have
Charlotte
Botanical
Gardens,
so
it's
just
phenomenal,
who
all
you
reached
out
to
and
and
the
passion
and
collective
genius
with
these
these
groups,
the
collaboration
of
departments
I,
have
to
tell
you
this
and
Luda
Geronimo
counts
of
perks.
These
blue
needs
to
hear
this
story.
You
know
so
often
City
Hall
gets
lagged
for
people
working
in
silos
and
I
went
to
one
of
those
breakfast
think-tank
meetings,
and
this
is
how
great
Luda
Geronimo
in
China
water
Janie
from
the
FNR
and
Jennifer
Keyes
man
who's,
not
here
and
I-
think
transfusion
services
was
involved.
M
M
M
It's
too
bad
Houston
didn't
have
the
ravines,
but
we
are
darn
lucky,
and
so
it's
great
that
we
are
Richard.
Albans
is
allocating
a
city
staffer
to
this,
and
we
are
going
to
look
at
other
funding
models.
We
we
don't
want.
What's
happened
in
the
US
to
happen
up
here.
We
want
to
preserve,
protect,
respect
and
appreciate
our
ravines.
A
Thank
You,
Mara,
Tori
and
I
want
to
start
my
remarks
by
welcome
everybody.
This
is
national
forest
week,
so
I
think
it's
a
really
appropriate
time
to
be
looking
at
a
ravine
strategy
as
we
celebrate
national
forest
week
so
happy
national
forest
week
to
everybody.
I'm
gonna
be
supporting
the
recommendations
in
this
report
and
one
of
I
want
to
thank
staff
for
all
the
work
they
did.
A
The
the
motions
that
were
put
forward
and
I
think
that's
very
important
to
realize
that
they've
got
a
timeline
and
goals
and
benchmarks
to
be
Matt
and
I
think
it
represents,
and
as
a
city
councilor
from
Scarborough.
Often
we
get
comments
about
how
beautiful
our
ravines
are
in
Scarborough
that
you
can
walk
through
them.
The
Highland
Creek
ravine
all
I'll,
think
of
mara
Tory.
A
That
is
an
ongoing
issue
and
a
concern,
and
then
we've
had
competing
visions
over
the
years
about
how
we
deal
with
conservation
in
our
creeks
and
the
ravines,
but
I
think
that
that's
starting
to
be
well
addressed
by
this
ravine
strategy
and
once
again,
I
want
to
thank
staff
for
all
their
hard
work
and
the
deputies
for
coming
in
today
to
address
their
concerns.
That
I
know
will
be
incorporated
within
the
ravine
strategy.
Thank
you.
O
Very
much
mr.
mayor,
through
you,
I
too,
want
to
lend
my
voice
to
this.
Not
only
because
my
property
backs
on
to
actually
is
part
of
a
ravine,
but
the
the
fabulous
work
that
the
staff
have
done
is.
Is
it's
really
important
and
I
want
to
thank
everyone
involved?
I
just
want
to
speak
to
the
the
value
in
the
beauty
of
the
ravine.
O
O
We
most
recently
put
a
new
state-of-the-art
play
facility
at
the
very
eastern
part
of
the
Birkdale
ravine,
which
is
bordering
on
Brimley
Road,
and
it
is
so
extremely
well
utilized
by
parents
and
young
people,
and
what
has
happened
is
that
just
to
the
I
guess
the
southern
portion,
we
planted
sequoia
trees
not
too
long
ago,
with
our
sister
city
side
of
Mahara
and
we've
had
delegations
from
Japan
coming
in
and
visiting
and
seeing
it
and
they're
totally
blown
away
by
what
we've
actually
done.
But
we've
actually
been
doing
a
lot
of
work
in
the
ravine.
O
We
have
interpretive
boards.
It
talks
about
the
types
of
species
that
are
there
for
the
young
people
in
the
community
to
be
able
to
come
and
understand
what
is
there
the
value
of
it
and
so
on
so
I
speak
of
a
benefit
because
I
see
it
live
it
breathe
it
and
my
children
are
able
to
to
benefit
from
it
and
all
the
kids
in
the
neighborhood
and
the
seniors
in
the
neighborhood.
Everyone
is
absolutely
happy
that
we
have
this
prestigious
ravine.
O
But
we
know
that,
as
we've
seen
in
the
report
and
the
recommendations,
some
the
challenges
that
have
been
identified
here,
we've
experienced
it
as
well.
There
is
a
necessity,
there's
a
need
to
ensure
that
we
not
only
protect
the
the
ravine
in
the
innocence,
but
also
to
commit
ourselves
to
sustainable
development
in
terms
of
our
willingness
to
invest
in
the
necessary
work.
That
needs
to
be
done.
Mr.
O
Jeronimo
has
identified
approximately
he
talks
about
combination
between
water
and
the
TRC,
a
approximately
200
million
dollars,
and
that's
a
small
number
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
ravines
that
we
actually
have
in
this
city.
That
needs
our
attention
and
I
think
that,
based
on
what
we
have
from
staff
with
respect
to
our
strategy
and
so
on
in
terms
of
building
for
it,
we
need
to
build
this
into
the
budget
envelope
that
an
effort
to
actually
do
the
remediation
do
the
work
that
needs
to
be
done.
O
But
I
have
to
tell
you
obviously
over
time,
I've
got
it
and
I
got
it
now,
because
not
only
do
I
live.
You
know
my
property
backs
on
to
ravine
I
experience
and
my
neighbors
and
many
people
in
the
community
common
experience
and
so
on.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
outstanding
effort,
because
at
the
time
there
are
a
number
of
us
who
really
didn't
get
it
and
I
think
now
we
fully
get
it
along
with
the
staff
information
and
so
on.
So
mr.
O
F
Thank
You
councillor
Thompson,
any
other
speakers,
I,
will
simply
say
without
taking
any
time.
Thank
you
to
all
the
staff
that
have
done
a
huge
piece
of
work.
Long
before
I
got
here.
It
started
and
and
I
know
that
does
include
a
councillor.
Davis
and
other
members
of
council
have
worked
on
this
for
a
long
time.
I
think
it's
extremely
important
work
and
it
moves
us
a
step
forward
and
we'll
have
to
take
it
forward
from
here
to
actually
get
it
done.
But
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you.
F
F
Then
we
move
to
motion
number
two
amendment
number
two,
which
is
councillor
McMahons
concerning
Leave
No,
Trace,
camping,
I'll,
ask
for
all
those
in
favor
opposed
carry
item
as
amended
all
those
in
favor
opposed
carried
unanimously.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
to
all
the
members
of
the
public
who
took
part
in
the
discussion.
We'll
try
to
do
justice
to
all
the
comments
that
you
made.
F
F
F
That
be
recorded
vote.
Sorry.
Was
that
again,
all
right
yeah.
If
we
could
just
have
order
here,
we're
gonna
keep
going.
We've
got
lots
of
love
to
do
twenty-seven
point.
Twelve,
we're
ready
to
call
the
question
because
councillor
genre
has
released
it
unless
there
were
any
questions
of
staff.
Any
speeches
that
word
otherwise
I'll
ask
for
all
those
in
favor.
It's
a
recorded
votes
been
asked
for.
F
F
Yeah,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
there's
just
a
lot
of
buzz
going
on
in
here
and
just
very
difficult
to
hear.
27
point:
28.
Did
you
say
yes,
which
is
the
official
plan,
amendment
status
of
City
subcommittee
actions
and
were
there
any
questions
of
staff?
Any
speakers
on
that?
Otherwise,
if
councillor
means
he's
releasing
it
I
can
just
call
the
question.
27
point:
28!
It's
coming
on
the
recommendation
of
the
board
of
exhibition
place.
All
those
in
favor
I
met,
Mara,
Tory,
I'm,
sorry,
yeah,
good.
F
O
F
Announcer
shiner
has
moved
an
amendment
which
will
just
incorporate
into
the
motion
and
I'll
ask
for
all
those
in
favor
of
the
City
Council
request,
the
chief
planner.
Otherwise,
it
says
is
all
those
in
favor
opposed
Kerry.
Thank
you.
Then.
We
move
next
to
point
X
to
the
X
27.9
regula.
Is
it
regularizing
toronto
for
all
public
education
initiative
to
support
civic
resiliency,
and
we
had
a
speaker
on
that?
A
deputy
to
Carolyn
bet
Bezeq.
F
F
27
point
11
is
next,
and
we
have
on
that
that
the
title
of
the
sorry
I
just
have
misplaced
my
agenda
here
right
able
to
read
the
title:
oh
there.
It
is
sorry
27:11
commuter
parking
options,
Toronto
York,
Spadina,
subway
extension.
We
have
one
deputy
Roman
Babur.
Is
it
Babur
the
a
BER
Bieber
get
your
officer
to
for
your
deputation
I
help
have
help
with
the
pronunciation
of
your
name,
so
I,
don't
mispronounce
it
again.
F
T
I'm
also
a
resident
in
Toronto
for
purposes
of
full
disclosure.
I
am
a
candidate
with
one
of
the
provincial
parties,
but
I
am
appearing
today
as
a
resident
to
speak
to
this
issue.
I'm
grateful
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
I
live
at
Ellen
road
and
Shepherd
at
the
meeting
place
between
wards,
eight
nine
and
ten
and
I'm
here
to
speak
respectfully
against
the
receipt
of
the
September
12th
reports
tendered
before
you
and,
more
generally,
against
the
proposed
closure
of
the
parking
lot
at
Sheppard
West
station
and
the
632
spots
contained
therein.
T
This
is,
of
course,
in
addition
to
the
partial
loss
at
Wilson
station
and
an
additional
loss
of
parking
space
planned
for
York
Dale
station.
First
to
the
report.
In
my
letter
to
you
of
yesterday's
date,
a
copy
of
which
is
filed
as
an
exhibit
I
suggested
to
you
that
the
reports
tendered
by
the
staff
before
you
today
does
not
cite
any
consultation
with
local
residents
and
the
assumption
that
the
lot
is
used
primarily
by
Vaughn
residents
is
not
supported
by
data.
T
In
fact,
no
concrete
data
has
been
assembled
in
connection
with
the
proposal
and
I
submit
to
you
expect
fillet
that
the
report
is
premature.
I
note
that
in
your
meeting
of
January
31st
2017
as
item
21
19,
the
city
asked
the
manager
and
I
quote
from
page
2
of
the
report
to
provide
commuter
feedback
on
the
commuter
parking
needs
along
the
news.
Padana
University
line
at
page
4
of
the
report
before
you
today,
staff
provides
that
at
undertook
consultation
process
with
a
number
of
stakeholders.
T
They
include
two
DC
bill:
Tirana
local
councillors,
candolyn's
TPA
cycle
teo
and
wok.
Deal
visibly
absent
from
the
study
are
commuters
and
local
residents.
The
people
that
actually
use
this
parking
lot.
The
people
that
you
have
instructed
staff
to
speak
to
with
respect
to
the
closure
of
the
Sheppard
West
parking
lot
have
not
been
consulted.
Now
you
remember
going
back
to
the
mirror
miller
days.
The
closure
was
predicated
on
two
suggestions
number
one.
The
lot
is
underutilized
number
two
users
of
the
lodge
do
not
live
in
Toronto.
T
They
come
from
Vaughn
or
elsewhere,
and
now
they'll
have
additional
parking
along
the
Spadina
extension.
Well.
With
respect
the
first
suggestion
that
the
lot
is
underutilized
is
erroneous,
I
overlooked
this
parking
lot
every
day
from
my
apartment
and
the
parking
lot
at
the
Sheppard
West
station
is
filled
to
capacity
every
weekday
and
it
is
almost
at
capacity
every
weekend.
T
The
second
proposition
with
respect
to
the
makeup
of
the
residents
that
use
the
parking
lot
is
unreliable
because
there
is
no
data
behind
it.
The
lot
is
widely
used
by
residents
of
wards,
8,
9
and
10,
and
in
particular,
residents
of
Ward
10
that
live
between
Wilson
and
Finch
and
batters
two
different.
So
at
the
very
least,
this
committee
must
insist
that
it's
going
to
carry
forward
with
major
policy.
T
It
does
so
on
reliable
data,
given
the
foregoing
with
respect,
I
suggest
to
you
that
the
receipt
of
this
report
is
premature
and
to
make
a
call
about
a
decision
that
was
made
in
2009.
Further
study
is
required
now
to
the
greater
point.
The
lot
makes
the
subway
accessible
to
local
residents
who
drive
to
the
subway.
Some
people
may
not
be
inclined
to
walk
5
to
10
minutes
to
the
bus,
wait
5
to
10
minutes
for
the
bus
and
then
take
it
to
the
bus
station,
especially
in
the
winter.
T
Eliminating
the
lodge
may
drive
pun
intended
commuters
to
take
their
car
all
the
way
downtown
and
that
will
create
more
gridlock.
We
will
have
will
certainly
have
more
congestion
and
Ellen
Road
and
more
congestion
and
Eglinton.
So
why
not
continue
to
make
it
easy
for
people
to
get
on
the
subway,
and
this
is
in
line
with
city
policy.
In
fact,
at
page
3
of
the
report
staff
quotes
city
policy,
which
provides
commuter
parking.
T
Lots
are
provided
to
encourage
commuters
to
utilize
the
subway
system,
close
quote
so
city
policy
recognizes
that
lots,
encourage
the
use
of
subway,
making
the
subway
less
accessible
will
make
people
use
the
subway
less.
It's
just
that
simple.
If
the
intended
effect
of
closing
the
lot
is
to
have
less
cars
on
the
road,
then,
regretfully,
by
closing
the
lot,
we
may
have
the
opposite
effect
and
have
more
cars
on
the
road.
T
T
Second
of
all,
with
the
closures
and
the
surplus.
Even
though
we're
expanding
to
six
new
subway
stations,
we're
gonna
have
close
to
500
spots,
less
488,
eight
spots
less.
By
keeping
the
lot
open,
we
will
actually
have
a
surplus
of
spot,
which
makes
sense
because
we're
creating
additional
capacity.
The
TTC
needs
the
revenue
there's
about
a
hundred
and
sixty
thousand
dollars
worth
of
revenue
generated
by
the
lot.
Mr.
Babur
gonna
have.
J
O
Thank
outside
counselors
for
that
I'm.
Sorry,
I
didn't
see
any
questions
for
the
first.
For
me,
I
can
I
can
go
after
I
didn't
know.
No
thank
you.
I
had
asked
the
staff
to
circulate
some
pictures,
I'm,
not
sure
if
they
were
done,
did
the
deputy
also
get
one
sorry
do
any
questions.
I
have
questions,
but
I
want
to
ask
the
diffident
a
specific
question
on
the
picture
that
that
I'm
about
there
has
been
circulated.
All
right.
Do
you
have
the
picture?
Yes?
Yes,
the
staff
has
it
right
now,
I.
H
O
O
T
T
T
T
Private
space
to
park,
in
fact,
that
area
has
sin,
has
seen
major
in
densification
by
the
city.
Sheppard
Avenue
has
grown
immensely.
There
are
a
lot
of
mid
rises
and
then
there
was
also
a
lot
of
development
around
Bathurst
Manor
clinton
park,
and
so
these
two
particular
communities
like
to
avail
themselves
of
this
parking
lot
not
having
this
parking
lot
will
force
these
communities
and
the
new
communities
that
are
being
added
to
find
other
means
to
get
to
the
subway,
and
the
concern
is
that
they
will
opt
to
drive
all
the
way
downtown.
O
T
So
I
can
tell
you
on
a
good
day
assuming
the
subway
runs
smoothly
and
there
are
no
issues
from
Sheppard
West
to
Union.
Station
is
approximately
25
to
30
minutes
and
if
you
were
to
drive,
if
you
were
to
drive
during
that
hour,
you'd
probably
be
looking
at
an
hour
at
least
and
that's
on
a
good
day.
So.
J
Thank
You
mr.
Deputy
mirin,
thank
you
Roman
for
for
coming
in
today.
One
thing
that
occurs
when
we
see
these
staff
reports
about
parking
spot
losses
and
parking
spot
additions.
They
move
the
numbers
around
like
a
moving
target
to
the
various
subway
stations,
arguing
over
a
period
of
time
that
the
net
loss
is
going
to
be
about
four
hundred
four
hundred
eighty
eight
spaces.
What
what
appears
to
you
to
be
the
the
misguided
analogy
of
just
of
really
just
replacing
spots
that
are
that
are
being
taken
away
at
another
location?
What
is
the
real.
T
The
numbers
don't
really
make
sense,
given
that
we
have
a
major
extension,
so
staff
is
alerting
counsel
to
the
fact
that
we
have
expended
capacity
on
this
patina
line
on
line
one
by
six
stations.
Nonetheless,
after
all
the
additions
and
all
the
subtractions
we're
going
to
end
up
with
four
hundred
and
eighty
eight
spots
less
in
total.
So
my
suggestion
to
you,
counselor
Pasternak,
is
that
if
the
Shepherd
West
lot
were
to
remain
open,
then
that
would
give
us
a
net
surplus
of
a
hundred
and
fifty
spots
as
opposed
to
a
loss
of
four
hundred.
T
Eighty
eight
stops
but
I
mean
again
given
that,
with
signal
being
upgraded
with
the
sub
we're
going
to
Vaughn,
we
anticipate
significant
uptick
in
the
number
of
riders
and
in
the
number
of
drivers
that
may
want
to
drive
to
the
subway,
and
so
respectfully.
I
would
suggest
that
policy
of
this
council
should
be
to
increase
the
number
of
parking
spots
instead
of
decreasing
it.
T
J
One
group
that
has
been
calling
are
those
who
continue
to
drive
but
to
carry
a
handicapped
parking
pass
and
they
they
park
at
the
lot
and
then
they
they
obviously
walk
to
the
subway.
So
they
are
physically
able
to
continue
to
drive
and
to
use
the
subway.
What
will
happen
to
them
if
they
can
no
longer
park
at
at
a
subway
stop?
And
these
people
once
again
have
our
carry
handicap
I.
T
Think
counselor
Pasternak
you,
you
raised
a
very
important
issue
and
specifically
to
that
question.
The
down
to
the
Shepherd
West
subway
station
is
very
accessible.
It's
located
in
an
open
field,
it's
very
large
and
it
has
a
significant
number
of
handicapped
spots.
I
would
suggest
to
you
that
if
we
were,
if
we
made
it
harder
for
commuters
that
require
special
accommodations
to
drive
themselves
to
the
subway,
then
there
may
be
greater
reliance
on
wheels
transit
just
compounding
to
the
city's
costs.
So
I
think
this
is
not
only
the
human
rights
issue.
T
J
T
Guess
that
can
add
up
over
a
year
it
can
dab
over
a
year,
so
I
think
conservatively.
It
adds
up
to
about
a
hundred
and
sixty
thousand,
but
in
addition
to
that
revenue,
there's
there
is
prospects
for
more
revenue
from
that
parking
lot,
specifically
because
immediately
adjacent
to
the
parking
lot
on
the
east
side
of
the
parking
lot,
the
city
has
planned
retail
and
commercial
development
and
that
development
may
be
served
by
that
parking
lot,
especially
in
the
off
hours
or
on
weekends,
and
may
generate
additional
revenue
and
reduce
local
gridlock
right
now.
J
Is
up?
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
You
councillor
thanks
any
questions.
Questions
I
have
one
question,
so
the
idea
is
that
I
think
we
won't
need
this
parking
lot
anymore
because
it
won't
be
the
end
of
the
line
of
the
of
the
university
line.
It'll
get
extended
out.
Therefore,
people
won't
be
driving
down
to
park
in
this
parking
lot
to
get
downtown.
Is
that
a
fair
proposition?
Well,
that's
why.
T
There
they
might
be
looking
at
closing
this
is
that,
but
we
don't
know
we
don't.
We
haven't
tested
that
proposition,
because
we
haven't
done
a
study
of
who
actually
parks
there
and
the
mandate
proposed
by
Council
to
staff
was
to
go
ahead
and
get
commuter
feedback.
But
right
now
we
have
no
hard
data
as
to
who
comes
from
gone
or
who
comes
from
Ward,
9
or
Ward
8.
T
And
so
what
I'm
saying
at
the
very
least
I,
would
encourage
council
to
adopt
the
second
item,
which
is
27:31
and
instruct
staff
to
conduct
a
study,
an
empirical
data
study
as
to
who
comes
from
the
city
of
Toronto,
who
doesn't
come
from
the
City
of
Toronto.
What
is
the
respective
makeup
and
what?
If
any
effect
that
will
have
on
residents
and.
T
Unfortunately,
local
residents
are
also
suffering
from
the
closure
of
half
of
the
Wilson
lot
and
an
eventual
loss
of
about
a
thousand
spots
at
the
Yorkdale
lot.
So
this
will
disadvantage
unfortunately,
fortunately
or
unfortunately,
that
has
been
pledged
to
bill
T
Oh.
We
have
other
residential
and
commercial
development
there.
So
that's
done
with.
We
have
a
loss
at
Yorkdale
and
Wilson,
and
so
that
would
further
exacerbate
the
issue
for
local
residents,
but
with
respect
to
the
other
stakeholders
you
mentioned,
such
as
walk
to
your
bicycle.
Oh
those
will
not
be
affected
by
Shepherd.
T
J
J
L
J
L
G
O
O
L
O
When
you
studied
it
in
the
past
and
you've
looked,
and
you
found
that
two-thirds
of
the
plates
are
from
residents
outside
of
Toronto
that
are
driving
to
these
Lots
correct,
that
was
your
assumption
on
the
recommendations
to
close
he
slots.
Do
you
have
any
idea
to
believe
that
those
numbers
have
changed
since.
O
My
understanding
is
that
the
property
is
not
transferred
to
them
at
that
time,
because
they
would
have
to
start
paying
property
taxes
on
that
property,
which
means
it
will
be
a
bad
decision
to
do
that.
As
half
of
those
taxes
go
to
the
school
board.
Mr.
Rossini,
you
seem
to
be
shaking
your
head,
am
I,
correct,
that's
correct!
We
first
identify
a
property.