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Infrastructure and Environment Committee, meeting 15, September 17, 2020
Agenda and background materials:
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A
Well,
good
morning,
everybody,
my
name
is
councilor
james
pasternak,
I'm
the
chair
of
the
infrastructure
environment
committee.
The
clerk
has
confirmed
that
we
have
quorum
and
I'd
like
to
now
call
meeting
15
to
order
welcome
everybody.
Today's
meeting
is
being
held
by
video
conference
city
staff
are
also
connecting
to
the
meeting
by
video
conference.
A
city
hall
remains
closed.
The
public
will
continue
to
participate
electronically
and
can
watch
the
meeting
streaming
live
on
youtube
at
youtube.com,
backslash
toronto
city
council
live.
I
ask
for
everyone
for
their
patience
with
any
delays
or
technical
issues.
A
The
clerk's
staff
have
connected
all
registered
speakers
to
the
meeting
by
audio.
The
list
of
speakers
can
be
viewed
online
by
visiting
the
infrastructure
environment
committee's
page
at
toronto,
dot,
ca,
backslash,
council
and
clicking
the
speakers
box.
For
today's
meeting,
clerk's
I.t
staff
have
also
been
are
also
available
to
assist
members
and
their
devices.
A
I
would
like
to
remind
staff
to
keep
their
mics
muted
and
their
videos
turned
off
unless
they
need
to
answer
questions
or
speak
to
the
committee.
This
will
make
it
easier
for
me
as
chair
and
for
those
watching
on
youtube
to
observe
members
as
they
participate
in
the
debate
and
vote
on
items.
Members.
Please
keep
your
mic
muted.
Unless
you
wish
to
question
staff
or
speak
to
an
item
and
ensure
that
your
video
is
turned
on
as
part
of
each
agenda
item,
I
will
ask
that
members
raise
their
hand
or
unmute
their
mic.
A
If
they
wish
to
question
staff
or
speak,
I
will
then
create
a
speaker's
list
and
we'll
call
them
members
when
it's
their
turn
to
speak
voting
on
an
item
as
the
members
ensure
that
their
video
is
on
and
to
raise
their
hand
to
indicate
their
vote
members.
I
want
to
remind
you
that
you
must
submit
your
submit
and
approve
your
motions
by
email.
A
A
Oh
and
counselor.
Ainslie
is
oh
he's
gone.
Oh
there,
you
are
hey
and
welcome
cousins.
Don't
worry!
I
haven't
forgotten
about
you.
I
encourage
you
to
turn
on
your
videos
so
that
I
know
that
you're
present
and
can
give
you
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions
of
staff
or
speak.
This
will
assist
the
clerk's
staff
to
record
attendance
for
the
meeting,
although
we
are
in
different
locations
and
meeting
remotely
today.
A
A
A
First
item
is
15
1
amendment
to
purchase
order
with
acom
canada
limited
for
construction
of
the
king
liberty,
pedestrian
cyclist
bridge
over
the
metrolinx
rail
corridor.
A
Oh,
it's
item
one.
It
is
the
king
liberty,
pedestrian,
cyclist
bridge.
I
don't
know
account.
Sir
layton.
Is
this
in
your
reward?
No
okay.
Counselor
call
has
moved
the
item.
All
those
in
favor
opposed
that
is
carried
item,
two
amendment
to
non-competitive
bridge
contract
with
sedan
traffic
control
services
limited
for
the
provision
of
traffic
control
equipment.
Would
anyone
like
to
hold
this
item.
C
Yes,
counselor
denzel
and.
A
No
councilman
kelvin
you'd
like
to
move
it
moved
by
counselor
mckelvey,
all
those
in
favor
posed
that
is
carried
now
54.
I
have
a
speaker
so
I'll
hold
that.
A
A
A
Request
to
study
the
environmental
impact
of
two-stroke
engine
garden
equipment.
C
A
A
Well,
okay,
is
there
an
added
item,
new
business
new
business
is
council
cole's.
A
A
Costa
cole
you'd,
like
to
request
the
committee,
add
a
a
new
item
for
consideration.
E
A
And
there
are:
are
those
amendments
made
already
yeah
okay,
so
this
is
facing
some
amendments,
but
all
those
in
favor
and
adding
it
to
the
agenda.
A
Opposed
okay,
so
that
is
that
agenda,
and
we
will.
We
will
deal
with
it
in
due
time
so
back
to.
Are
there
any
other
new
items?
No
other
and
other.
A
With
the
will
of
the
committee,
we
can
adjust
the
agenda
to
accommodate
speakers
on
the
line.
Can
was
it
okay
if
we
go
to
15-4
transition
of
the
blue
blocks
program
to
extended
producer
responsibility.
C
A
A
A
A
Yes,
so
deputy
mayor
middlewong
questions
for
staff.
G
Good
morning
through
the
chair,
this
work
was
actually
an
amendment
to
a
contract
to
enable
the
barricades
and
barriers
that
are
being
used
for
the
actual
to
major
road
closures.
So
as
part
of
the
closures
of
lakeshore
west,
like
short,
east
and
bayview,
we've
had
to
contract
for
a
significant
number
of
barricades
and
sedans.
The
contractors
that
we
have
on
staff
and
we've
had
to
add
to
the
capacity
of
that
contract.
G
Up
so
I'm
gonna
look
to
either
antonio
or
dave
to
get
into
this
specific
cost,
but
we
have
it's:
a
combination
of
contracted
services
plus
our
own
staff
as
well
so
dave.
What's
the
total
budget
amount
there
he's
probably
coming
off
the
council.
Sorry.
C
H
G
H
G
G
Yeah
we
put
them
up
on
on
saturday
morning,
early
like,
I
think,
around
6
a.m,
and
they
come
down
at
sunday
evening
for
this.
This
been
happening
since
the
beginning
of
the
major
road
closure.
So
it's
80
000
for
all
the.
C
G
Yep
we
do,
but
we
are,
we
have
spent,
you
know
a
fair
amount
of
additional
than
that
was
planned,
although
it's
still
within
the
context
of
our
budget.
G
C
C
C
G
C
G
The
money
wasn't
specifically
our
defined
for
this.
This
particular
use
because
we
don't
we
didn't
anticipate
this
happening.
Certainly,
we
have
emergency
dollars
in
our
operating
budget
that
deal
with
closures,
but
this
was
not
anticipated
here.
G
We've
done
it
since
the
beginning
of
this.
You
know,
I
believe
it
was
may
22nd
mid-may
was
the
first
time,
so
we've
done
it
for
half
of
may
june
july
august
and
september
next
weekend
will
be
the
last
one.
G
G
2.19
million
is
the
total
amount
of
the
sedan
contract
over
the
the,
including
the
existing
contract.
So
we
we
actually
had
savings
in
terms
of
school
crossing
guards
for
the
2020
season,
since
blue
crossing
guards,
weren't
weren't
being
deployed
when
school
was
out
of
out
of
out
of
session.
So
we've
been
able
to
offset
related
to
that
in
our
operating
budget.
I
C
C
Okay
and
how
you
said,
you're
going
to
get
that
money
from
school
guard
the
school
crossing
guard
program.
Yes,
we've
offset.
G
C
A
I've
always
started
the
timer
late
deputy
mayor
you're,
just.
A
A
Who
was
that?
Oh
council,
lady
council,
late,
okay,
great
yes,
council,
lady,
very.
B
Brief
just
to
further
to
counselor
men
and
wong's
questions
who
would
have
authorized
the
closures
of
the
roads
during
the
emergency
period.
B
G
Through
the
chair,
the
within
my
delegated
authority
as
general
manager
transportation,
I
had
the
authority
to
close
roads,
for
I
believe
it's
up
to
four
days
so
for
the
weekends
it
was
under.
My
delegated
authority.
B
B
Was
it
that,
for
example,
was
it
discussed
at
the
the
sort
of
control
center
that
was
leading
our
response
to
to
to
covet
it?
Was
it.
G
Was-
and
it
was
that
it's
actually
part
of
active
to
so
the
conversations
that
we
had
via
the
during
the
first
period
of
the
emergency
order,
where
we
were
engaged
with
the
mayor
and
whatever
we
brought
back
to
the
council,
was
related
to
active
to.
Overall,
there
were
three
program
streams:
there
was
the
quiet
streets,
there
were
the
major
road
closures
and
then
there
were
the
expansion
of
the
cycling
network.
So
it's
all
part
of
that
same
program.
B
So,
as
general
manager,
you
sat
on
the
the
the
emergency
response
table
right
that
met
regularly
and
discussed.
B
A
couple
months
ago
seems
like
a
long
time
active
active
to
including
the
use
of
funds
to
close
roads
was
discussed
at
that
table
and
generally
it
was
supported,
correct.
G
That's
correct:
I
will
say
that,
given
the
emergent
issues
related
to
covid,
you
know
we
were.
We
certainly
were
tracking
that
and
encouraged
to
look
for
whatever
offsets
we
could
within
our
existing
operating
budget
to
cover
it,
but
that,
certainly
when
we
come
back
and
we
will
be
coming
back
with
a
report
on
all
of
the
active
po
programs,
we
would
certainly
be
discussing
the
budget
and
the
implications
and
what
that
might
look
like
if
we
choose
to
pursue
this
in
future.
G
Correct,
in
fact,
we
worked
very
closely
to
minimize
those
costs
after
the
first
after
the
first
weekend
that
we
rolled
them
out,
we
thought
the
costs
were
quite
high,
so
we
shifted
some
of
the
cost
to
our
existing
staffing
and
we
also
worked
directly
with
police
on
managing
the
paid
duty
component.
B
So
there
weren't
votes
at
that
at
that
leadership
table
correct
and
people
didn't
vote
on
items
it
was.
We
arrived
at
positions
through
consensus,
correct,
correct
what
political
what
politicians
were
were
on
that
table
in
those
meetings?
Are
you
able
to
tell
me.
G
At
the
strategic
command
table,
well,
certainly
the
mayor
and
I've,
and
I'm
I'm
sure
that
I
I
think
that
the
deputy
mayor
was
engaged
in
that
in
those
discussions
as
well
and
I'm
try.
I
really
am
trying
to
remember
who
else
is
at
that
table.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
That's
that's
it
thanks
very
much.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
council,
lightning.
Any
other
questions
for
staff.
A
A
Item
number
four
yeah
item.
Number
four:
is
we
have
a
speaker,
emily
alfred
from
the
toronto
environmental
alliance?
Do
we
have
miss
alfred
on
the
line?
We
do?
Okay,
great.
Thank
you
miss
alfred
for
joining
us.
Your
five
minutes.
D
Okay,
great,
it's
very
strange
to
do
a
deputation
digitally.
I'm
sure
you
guys
are
all
used
to
it
by
now,
but
it's
a
bit
weird
for
me
so
good
morning,
counselors
thanks
for
hearing
from
me
today.
My
name
is
emily
alford
and
I'm
the
waste
campaigner
for
the
toronto
environmental
alliance
or
t
he
has
more
than
60
thousand
supporters
across
toronto,
and
we've
been
working
with
residents,
workers,
businesses
and
city
hall
to
build
a
greener
city
for
all
for
over
30
years.
D
He
also
works
in
coalition
with
environmental
and
health
groups
from
across
ontario
and
canada
to
promote
zero
waste.
Today,
I'm
here
to
share
an
environmental
perspective
of
the
major
changes
coming
to
ontario's
blue
box
and
recycling
regulations,
and
to
highlight
serious
concerns
that
we
have
about
what
this
could
mean
for
toronto.
D
As
you
have
seen
in
the
city
staff
report,
the
ministry
of
environment
conservation
and
parks
is
transforming
ontario's
recycling
regulations.
This
entails
taking
the
obligation
for
residential
blue
box
programs
off
municipalities
and
shifting
ontario's
blue
bin
program
to
one
fully
paid
for
by
manufacturers
and
producers
of
recyclable
packaging.
D
D
D
This
is
a
major
opportunity
to
fix
the
issues
of
recycling,
waste
and
litter
in
ontario,
and
it
could
be
a
game-changing
moment
to
shift
ontario
towards
a
circular
economy.
However,
we
have
serious
concerns
that
the
new
packing
regulations
in
ontario
may
continue
the
waste
and
plastic
problems
we
currently
face
and
possibly
send
us
backwards.
D
I'm
going
to
highlight
three
concerns
that
we
have
specifically
for
the
impact
on
torontonians,
so
the
province
says
that
this
regulation
will
eventually
give
all
ontario
residents
the
same
recycling
service.
However,
it's
important
to
know
that
residents
in
houses
are
treated
very
differently
from
those
in
multi-residential
buildings.
D
D
D
The
province
also
says
that
litter
is
a
priority.
However,
in
this
new
regulation,
producers
won't
cover
public
space
recycling
bins
and
they
won't
face
any
consequences
when
their
packaging
ends
up
as
litter.
Toronto
has
nearly
20
000
recycling,
bins
on
public
streets
and
in
parks,
and
we're
seeing
a
growing
amount
of
single-use
packaging
litter
in
public
spaces.
As
we
know,
that's
another
agenda
item
today
on
the
at
the
committee.
Recycling
bins
in
public
spaces
and
public
buildings
are
an
important
part
of
giving
consistent
education
and
reinforcement
of
recycling
rules.
D
However,
the
companies
that
will
take
over
recycling
services
for
municipalities
don't
want
to
provide
public
space
recycling
and
under
the
proposed
program,
they
won't
pay
for
recycling
their
packages
that
end
up
as
litter.
We
urge
you
to
make
it
clear
to
the
province
that
producers
should
provide
public
space
recycling
as
a
fundamental
part
of
a
comprehensive
recycling
program
for
ontario.
D
The
new
regulations
are
also
meant
to
transform
ontario's
recycling
system
and
fix
the
stagnant
diversion
rate
of
only
60.
However,
the
regulation
will
hold
producers
to
vague
recycling
targets
that
are
similar
or
only
marginally
better
than
our
current
system,
and
then
they
won't
be
actually
held
to
those
targets
until
2026..
D
This
means
five
more
years
of
unrecyclable
packaging,
ending
up
as
litter
in
toronto's
garbage.
It
also
means
that,
even
after
five
years,
companies
will
only
have
to
collect
a
portion
of
what
they
sell
and
the
rest
that
ends
up
in
the
environment
or
ends
up
in
toronto's.
Landfill
will
still
be
paid
for
by
the
city.
We
urge
you
to
make
it
clear
to
the
province
that
producers
should
have
to
manage
everything
they
put
on
the
market,
not
just
a
small
fraction.
D
D
B
Yes,
please
it's
counselor
leighton
here,
counselor
leighton!
Yes,
thank
you
very
much
emily
for
you
for
your
deputation,
so
to
review.
Just
the
points
that
that
you'd
like
us
to
hammer
home
is
that
houses
are
treating
single-family
homes
are
treated
differently
than
multi-unit
residential
in
that
they
won't
be
considered.
If
you're,
not
on
municipal
collection,
you
would
have
the
option
to
turn
to
municipal
collection
for
several
years.
Correct.
D
It's
it's
not
quite
clear
from
my
understanding,
multi-residential
buildings
in
toronto
that
already
received
city
of
toronto
service
would
get
this
new
blue
box
program
paid
for
by
producers,
but
any
building
that
had
yet
to
be
built-
and
we
know
there
are
a
lot
of
new
buildings
growing
up
popping
up
in
toronto
right
now,
and
any
building
that
is
currently
on
private
service
will
not
get
this
new
producer
funded
blue
box
program
and
from
what
we
understand
the
the
idea
is
that,
after
2026,
when
the
transition
is
complete,
there
may
be
an
opportunity
for
them
to
join.
D
Yes,
it's
it's
really
not
clear.
We've
we've
seen
some
high-level
proposals,
but
you
know
so
far.
The
there's
been
about
a
year
of
discussion
with
municipalities,
industries
and
recycling
recyclers,
but
there's
been
no
public
consultation
on
this.
Yet
there
was
a
public
discussion
period
that
was
meant
to
happen
in
the
spring,
but
it
got
cancelled.
So
you
know
we're
sort
of
guessing
based
on
high-level
thinking,
but
we
haven't
actually
seen
the
rules
yet.
B
D
It's
for
parties,
I
I
think
that
would
be
a
question
for
staff.
I
understand
that
municipalities
provide
blue
box
recycling
as
part
of
their.
You
know
they
provide
it
to
houses,
and
I
know
in
toronto
there's
a
very
comprehensive
program
that
also
offers
recycling
in
public
spaces
and
schools
in
public
buildings,
to
sort
of
show
that
consistency
to
residents
and
it's
an
important
part
of
increasing
education
and
access
to
recycling.
D
Yeah,
the
idea
of
producer
responsibility
is
that
you
know
right
now.
A
lot
of
municipalities
are
struggling
to
figure
out
what
to
recycle.
You
know
a
lot
of
toronto's
lucky
we're
a
big
city
and
there's
there's
a
lot
of
toronto
accepts
a
lot
more
in
the
blue
box
than
many
other
municipalities.
D
But
companies
come
up
with
new
designs
for
packaging,
new
single-use
products
all
the
time
and
they
don't
have
to
face
any
consequences
for
whether
that
package
is
recyclable
or
where
it
ends
up
so
producer.
Responsibility
makes
them
responsible
for
that
end-of-life
management
of
what
they
put
on
the
market,
and
you
know
that
means
if
they,
if
they
choose
to
use
unrecyclable
packaging
or
something
that's
really
expensive
to
recycle,
they
have
to
pay
the
cost
rather
than
the
public
and
the
environment.
D
Well,
yeah:
this
is
something
that
needs
to
be
worked
out.
I
you
know
our
our
sub.
Our
position
is
that
it
should
cover
all
forms
of
packaging,
so
there
isn't
a
distinction
based
on
this
type
of
material
or
that
type
of
material,
but
if
it's
any
type
of
packaging,
whether
it's
currently
recyclable
or
not,
producers
should
have
to
be
responsible
for
it.
D
A
concern
that
we
have
that
I
know
was
also
raised
in
the
staff
report
is
that
if,
if
producers
are
only
held
to
criteria
to
collect
a
small
portion
of
what
they
collect
so
or
a
very
vague
and
broad
category,
they
won't
actually
have
to
change
their
behavior.
So
one
example
is
there's
a
category
called
flexible
plastics.
D
So
that
doesn't
really
give
them
an
incentive
to
change
their
behavior
and
change
that
packaging
unless
that
target's
really
high,
and
they
actually
have
to
feel
the
pain
of
trying
to
collect
that
material
and
trying
to
recycle
it.
So
we're
concerned
that
you
know,
if
you
really
want
to
incent
this
behavior
change,
you
need
really
high
targets
and
you
have
to
hold
them
to
collect
everything.
B
Thank
you
very
much.
I
noticed
my
timer's
not
on,
but
I
will
give
the
benefit
of
the
doubt
to
the
chair
that
I
have
reached
my
time.
A
Yeah
no
you're
almost
right
on
time.
I
assure
you
oops
great,
thank
you
councilor
layton,
any
other
questions
for
staff,
counselor,
carol,
jory
questions
for
the
deputies.
K
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Yes,
I'm
wondering
if
I
could
ask
emily,
because
I
I
actually
didn't
pick
up
on
the
the
importance
of
this
in
the
staff
report.
K
Are
we
to
understand
if,
if
the
producers
are
exempt
from
from
litter,
big
producers
like
coffee
shops,
I
hate
to
use
a
brand
name,
but
tim
hortons
to
be
to
be.
To
be
blunt,
all
they
would
have
to
do
is
remove
the
garbage
cans
from
around
their
properties
and
turn
their
their
product
packaging
into
litter,
and
then
they
won't
have
to
pay,
for
it.
Is
that
what
we're
is
that?
What
we're
potentially
opening
up
to
here.
D
Well,
yeah,
I
guess
on
some
level
the
fact
is
that
the
what
we've,
what
we've
heard
will
be
in
this
regulation,
is
that
producers
will
only
cover
the
cost
of
residential
recycling.
So
that's
blue
boxes
from
single-family
homes
and
a
portion
of
multi-residential
homes.
D
Well,
basically,
even
if
there
was
a
recycling
bin
near
that
tim
hortons,
they
wouldn't
have
to
collect,
they
wouldn't
have
to
cover
the
cost
of
that
recycling.
So
this
is
why
you
know
we're
concerned
about
this.
D
I
know
city
staff
are
concerned
about
this,
and
other
municipalities
have
raised
this
issue
too,
that
this
new
program
will
only
cover
a
fraction
of
the
waste
in
ontario,
and
it's
very
confusing
for
the
public
to
know
that
if
you
drop
this,
you
know
if
you
have
this
coffee
at
the
shop,
it's
a
different
recycling
roll
than
what
you
have
on
the
street
in
public
litter.
Bins,
it's
different
from
what
you
have
at
home
or
if
you
go
visit
your
friend
who
lives
in
a
condo.
Maybe
the
recycling
girls
are
different
there.
D
K
A
Thank
you,
councillor
carol,
any
other
questions
for
the
deputies.
A
No
okay,
questions
for
staff,
counselor,
perusa,
all
right,
councilman,.
A
D
L
I
threw
the
chair
counselor
mckelvey.
L
What
the
regulation
was
trying
to
fix
was
a
shift
from
partial
responsibility
right
now,
which
we
have
fifty
percent
funded
blue
box
program
to
move
to
full
operational
and
financial
responsibility
for
the
products
and
why
this
puts
producers
in
a
better
position
is
that
they
have
control
over
the
types
of
packaging
that
they
put
into
the
marketplace,
and
it's
difficult
for
municipalities
to
keep
up
with
the
rapidly
changing
packaging
that's
being
put
into
the
market
and
continuously
make
capital
investments
in
infrastructure
to
be
able
to
recover
those
materials,
as
well
as
find
sustainable
markets
for
them
to
be
put
back
into
particular
economy.
D
Okay,
and
with
this
you
know,
toronto
has
a
very
extensive
program.
Is
it
potent
possible
that
less
materials
or
types
of
materials
could
be
recycled
through
this
change?.
L
Through
the
chair,
as
alluded
to
through
our
guest
speaker,
it's
difficult
to
know,
because
really
the
future
system,
which
would
be
the
common
collection
system
which
would
be
put
in
place
post
2026,
is
that
that
that
common
collection
system
will
really
set
the
stage
for
what
the
the
blue
box
program
will
be
for
the
province
of
ontario.
That
being
said,
through
our
ministry
discussions,
definitely
there
wasn't
the
intention
from
the
province
and
support
from
producers
and
municipalities
that
we
want
to
see
no
backsliding
in
the
system.
L
So
we
definitely
want
to
basically
to
put
it
in
in
in
terms
that
toronto
has
one
of
the
most
sophisticated
systems
in
the
province.
We
collect
the
widest
breadth
of
materials
and
we'd
really
like
to
see
the
rest
of
the
province,
move
up
to
be
collecting
that
same
suite
of
materials
which
would
be
driving
those
economies.
D
L
Again
through
the
chair,
what
we
found
is
that
there
was
a
little
bit
of-
I
guess.
Maybe
some
learning
curves
in
having
the
transition
take
place,
so
it
was
done
not
over
the
course
of
three
years,
but
more
rapidly
and
in
general
I've
for
most
recently,
what
we've
heard
from
municipalities
is
that
the
service
that's
being
provided
by
producers
is
generating
a
good
product
for
recyclable
markets,
so
the
stream
is
cleaner.
L
D
Okay-
and
I
I
think
like
I
do
see
some
merits
for
us,
like
especially
myself,
being
on
the
border
with
durham,
who
has
you
know
different
rules
for
recycling,
and
I
know
you
know
many
people
in
durham
live
work,
and
you
know
there's
this
live
work
play
border,
that's
fluid
between
the
two
of
us,
so
there
is
some
benefit
to
having
the
same
things
recycled
in
the
same
ways
and
in
multiple
places,
especially
with
you
know,
downtown
core
grows
by.
However
many
hundreds
of
thousands
in
normal
times
per
day.
D
But
what
does
this
mean
for?
I
think
it's
the
parks,
like
I'm
very
concerned
by
that
piece,
because,
like
we're
already
seeing
right
now
during
covid,
that
you
know,
there's
increased
litter
in
our
parks
and
there's
increased
use
of
them,
so
there's
those
recycling,
bins,
etc.
So
what
does
this
mean?
And
you
know
we're
advocating
for
that?
But
do
you
know
if
they're
doing
it
in
other
places
like
nbc
or
or
why
why?
Why
is
there
hesitancy
to
include
this
like?
What
is
the
benefit
to
the
province's
plan
to
exclude
parks.
L
I
just
just
through
the
chair
for
our
existing
eligibility
parks
are
covered
under
the
existing
program
if
they
are
collected
along
a
residential
route
right
now.
Toronto
does
not
submit
its
costs
for
that
service
because
we
don't
collect
it
along
a
residential
route.
However,
we
know
that
they're,
a
popkin
is
a
popcan,
no
matter
where
you
consume
it.
So
if
you
are
a
residential
you
know,
household
within
toronto
or
within
the
province,
you
choose
to
make
your
lands
and
you
decide
to
eat
it
outside
that
day.
L
It
doesn't
make
sense
to
have
a
system
where
we,
if
you
decided
to
dispose
of
that
or
recycle
it
in
a
park,
rather
than
take
it
home.
Why
would
it
be
covered
in
one
system
and
not
the
other?
So
I
think
in
conversations
with
municipalities,
we
want
to
make
this
very
clear
and
not
confusing
for
residents
and
that's
a
point
where
we
think
that
any
public
space,
even
whether
it
be
a
library,
a
community
center,
there's
no
confusion
for
residents,
but
this
is
a
key
point.
L
A
Council
mckelvey.
That
was
your
last
question.
Thank
you
very
much
any
other
questions
for
staff.
Yes,
sorry,
counselor
carol
has
been
patiently
waiting.
She
had
some
technical
difficulties
there,
but
I
think
they're
resolved
so
counselor
carol.
You
have
five
minutes.
K
Thank
you,
hi
annette
I'll,
have
to
take
these
off
so
annette,
I'm
wondering
if
we
could
go
back
to
the
deputy's
concern
about
the
litter
program
in
in
in
staff's
view.
Is
the
issue
here
that
they're
they're
doing
the
the
residential
blue
blue
box
program.
K
First,
in
a
focus-
and
there
is
litter
program,
producer
responsibility,
legislation
coming
and
there's
there's
a
a
worrying
lag
here
or
or
do
we
think
that
perhaps
the
province
has
been
lobbied
in
such
a
way
that
that
we
really
are
looking
at
producers
winning
this
round
and
and
reducing
the
their
commitment
that
they
made
a
few
years
ago
to
take
100
responsibility
for
their
packaging.
L
Through
the
chair,
counselor
carol,
basically
by
removing
the
eligibility
of
the
the
parks
right
now,
it's
actually
a
backslide,
because
that
is
something
that's
allowed
right
now.
So,
if
parks
and
street
side
litter
bins
are
collected
along
residential
routes,
that's
actually
part
of
the
program.
So
we
obviously
want
to
see
that
be
extended
to
where
we
might
have
an
operation.
That
has
a
dedicated
collection
service.
But
that's
why
it's
such
a
concern
that
it
doesn't
even
take
along
the
existing
system.
L
So
even
that
one
major
program
change
is
of
concern
and
there's
other
eligible
sources
as
well,
such
as
schools,
long-term
care
facilities
right
now
in
the
blue
box
program.
Again,
if
those
are
collected
along
residential
routes,
they're
eligible
to
have
partial
funding,
we'd
like
to
see
those
included
in
the
future
system
as
well-
and
those
are
just
a
elements
that
we
just
don't
know
what
will
be
coming
and
forthcoming
in
the
regs.
But
we've
already
seen
a
bit
of
a
hesitation
or
backslide,
at
least
on
the
public
space.
K
So,
and-
and
I
wasn't
focused
on
this
as
much
when
I
was
reading
the
report-
that
the
the
comment
in
your
report
that
made
the
hair
stand
up
on
the
back
of
my
neck
is
at
the
bottom
of
page.
Eight,
limiting
producer
reporting
and
producer
reporting
and
target
setting
to
a
few
broad
material
categories
reduces
the
visibility
of
poor
performing
materials
and
gives
them
a
free
ride
on
those
materials
which
are
achieving
high
diversion
rates.
K
It
also
removes
any
incentive
for
producers
to
improve
the
recyclability
of
these
materials,
and
that's
what's
at
the
heart
of
this,
isn't
it
it
would
appear
that
the
legislation,
unless
you
can
negotiate
something
as
fundamental
as
the
focus
in
this
report.
The
focus
is
now
on
on
specifics
and
and
where
we're
going
to
target,
as
opposed
to
trying
to
achieve
producers
are
100
responsible
for
the
impact
of
their
packaging
on
the
environment.
That's
not
the
focus
anymore.
Is
it?
The
focus
is
on
what
things
can
we
will?
K
L
Through
the
chair,
I
would
say
that
the
the
with
in
our
conversations
with
the
province
and
the
working
groups,
we
found
that
they
are
trying
to
make
this
a
very
much
an
outcomes-based
regulation
that
gives
producers
the
flexibility
to
achieve
those
outcomes
and
part
of
those
high
level
categories.
L
They
believe
that
that
will
give
the
ability
to
do
that
in
our
position
paper
as
a
city
we've
put
forward
that,
in
our
experience
in
managing
the
largest
blue
box
program
in
the
country,
having
the
visibility
on
more
sub-category
reporting
allows
us
to
better
understand
how
we
can
promote
and
educate
on
materials
that
are
not
being
effectively
captured
or
that
might
be
problematic
in
the
system
and
in
what
we're
offering
there
is
that,
having
that
feedback
loop
to
know
that
these
are
materials
that
are
either
more
expensive
to
recycle
because
of
their
product,
design
or
they're
being
poorly
captured,
will
allow
the
producers
to
be
able
to
manage
their
outcomes
more
effectively.
L
So
at
those
high
level
categories,
you
really
can't
see
that
level
of
detail,
and
it
doesn't
really
give
the
province
necessarily
the
feedback
that
they
need.
Should
they
need
to
strengthen
regulations
in
the
future
or
increase
targets,
so
the
province
has
assured
us
that
they
are
looking
at
very
progressive
targets.
They
do
want
it
to
be
a
best-in-class
system.
A
Thank
you,
okay.
Thank
you,
counselor
carol.
That
was
your
last
question.
Any
other
questions
for
for
staff.
As
that
counselor
leighton.
Yes,
councillors.
B
Please,
thank
you
very
much.
Counselor
pastor
knack.
So,
if
I'm
to
understand
correctly
from
what
we
know,
the
what's
not
covered
by
this
extended
producer
responsibility
program
is
commercial
collection,
city
facilities,
charities
parks
and
other
littered
street
litter,
bins,
correct,
sorry
and
multi-unit
residential
that
is
not
currently
collected
by
the
city.
L
Through
the
chair,
it
is
our
understanding
that,
yes
for
multi-residential
locations
that
are
not
city
serviced,
they
would
not
be
part
of
the
additional
transition
or
sorry
the
preliminary
transition,
but
they
would
be
able
to
come
on
to
service,
as
requested
in
2026,
once
producers
assume
the
full
system
for
the
province
for
the
other
eligible
or
of
the
other
sources
that
you
mentioned.
It's
our
understanding
is
that
it's
unlikely
that
they
will
be
included.
B
B
That's
correct
so,
while
our
residential
routes
are
covered
for
the
most
part,
the
the
commercial
would
still
have
to
pay
the
city's
portion
of
collection
and
disposal
for
all
of
those
recycled,
goods,
correct
or
recyclable
goods.
Correct.
L
Through
the
chair,
I
think
we
have
close
to
900
000
residential
customers
now
and
I
believe
commercial
customers
I'll
just
have
to
get
back
to
you
on
that
number.
But
several
thousand.
B
B
Now
also
anything
that's
recyclable
that
ends
up
in
our
residual
waste
stream.
It's
sorry,
it
ends
up
in
our
waste
stream,
won't
be
covered
any
longer
correct.
We
won't
get
funding
from
the
producers
to
help
manage
their
packaging
that
ends
up
in
our
garbage.
L
Through
the
yes,
that's,
that's
correct,
that's
been
a
point
that
we've
also
very
strongly
advocated,
for
so
we
do
do
single-family
audits
in
multi-residential
audits
frequently.
So
we
are
able
to
estimate
the
amount
of
producer
packaging
that
spills
remaining
in
those
streams.
B
L
I
would
I
would
hope
that
would
not
be
the
case.
I
hope
that
the
incentives
would
be
on
the
targets
that
producers
have
to
achieve,
and
the
penalties
are
strong
enough
that
if
they
don't
achieve
that,
that
there's
an
incentive
enough
to
be
able
to
capture
those
materials
rather
than
pay
the
penalty
or
not
meet
a
target
that
actually
has
the
outcome
of
removing
those
products
from
from
landfill
disposal.
L
L
Through
the
chair,
I
once
producers
take
over
the
common
collection
system
that
has
to
be
approved
by
the
resource,
productivity
and
recovery
association.
There
could
be
a
possibility
that
they
provide
the
service
in
a
way
that's
different
than
toronto
does
today.
So,
for
example,
that
could
look
like
it
could
be
a
dual
stream
service,
so
they
could
switch
to
fibers
or
they
could
potentially
remove
certain
items
if
they
could
demonstrate
that
their
recovery
was
sufficient
enough
to
make
targets.
L
And
just
through
the
chair,
I
got
a
update
on
commercial
customers.
It's
about
six
thousand
customers.
A
Speakers
counselor
carol.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
you
know
as
much
as
we
hurry
through
our
our
virtual
council
sessions.
I
I
hope
that
this
is
a
a
change
that
is
picked
up
by
all
of
the
members
of
council
and
becomes
a
topic
of
discussion
in
local
communities
across
the
city.
I'm
not
a
member
of
the
the
the
committee.
K
I
can't
move
a
motion,
but
but
my
hope
is
that
the
undertaking
of
staff
is
to
negotiate
aggressively
on
this
less
politely
and
more
aggressively
that
what's
being
contemplated
here,
whether
or
not
that's
intention
whether
or
not
at
the
end
of
the
the
phase
in
there
there
there
is
to
be
further
legislation
this
this.
K
This
new
direction
has
not
really
worked
out
to
the
extended
producer
responsibility
that
we
envisioned
if
we
go
back
as
far
as
2015
2016,
when
we
were
moving
from
waste
diversion
ontario
to
new
goals
and
the
possibility
that
we
would
really
make
producers
of
packaging
100
responsible
for
that
packaging's
impact
on
the
environment,
so
that
we
would
end
up
with
with
a
new
type
of
producer,
responsibility
that
really
drove
them
to
change
their
packaging
and
that's
an
investment.
That's
cost
money,
heaven
knows,
but
it's
absolutely
essential
that
we
do
that.
A
Thank
you,
council
carol,
council.
B
Layton,
yes,
thank
you.
I
I
think
that
if
there
are
any
other
speakers,
I'm
working
on
a
motion
which
I
can
hold
off
for
council,
if
that's
like
I'm
right
I'll,
be
it's
a
bit
rushed.
So
maybe
that's
what
I'll
do
and
I'll
just
I'll
just
speak.
Instead,
I
think
we've
got
ourselves
in
a
bit
of
a
problem
here,
because
extended
producer
responsibility
was
to
hold
companies
accountable
and
give
them
an
incentive
to
reduce
or
redesign
their
products
or
packages
that
they
create
and
that
end
up
in
the
wait
stream.
B
That
was
the
purpose
of
it.
I
think
all
of
us
can
agree
that
that's
actually
a
pretty
good
thing:
saving
resources
by
giving
a
an
incentive
to
to
produce
less
waste,
also
a
problem
of
of
municipalities
across
the
across
around
the
world,
but
in
in
ontario
with
respect
to
this
debate,
but
I
think
what's
come
forward.
Is
that
there's
been
a
rush
to
say
just
put
it
in
the
hands
of
the
producers,
because
they'll
be
able
to
manage
it,
but
also,
at
the
same
time
advocacy
on
behalf
of
those
producers
to
say?
B
We
can't
manage
it
then,
and-
and
I
think
I
think
the
regulations
at
least
our
worst
fears
of
what's
going
to
be
proposed-
is
that
they've
lost
sight
of
the
initial
goal
here
and
rather
have
tried
to
just
make
it
easier
on
producers
of
packaging,
rather
than
maintain
at
the
the
intent
of
extended
producer
responsibility
and
the
intent
of
our
recycling
a
program,
at
least
as
we've
seen
it
as
a
city
which
is
to
try
to
make
it
as
easy
as
possible
for
residents
of
toronto.
We
have
our
waste
wizard.
B
B
We
haven't
quite
got
there
on
multi-unit
residential,
yet
the
recycling
rates
are
still
low,
but
if
we're
not
in
the
driver's
seat
there,
if
we're
not
the
ones
pushing,
and
instead
it's
the
the
the
private
sector
that
creates
the
waste
and
has
to
pay
for
it.
I
think
we've
left
we've,
let
ourselves
to
a
point
that
we're
not
going
to
achieve
a
very
basic
outcome.
We
wanted
to
as
a
result
of
extended
producer
responsibility,
and
that
is
that
we
have
used
less
resources
and
are
able
to
claim
reclaim
more
more
resources.
B
So
I
I
think
at
its
core,
we've
got
a
problem
there
and
I
think
we
need
to
make
a
big
big,
bold
statement
to
the
province
that
unless
you
get
that
right,
the
whole
thing
is
wrong.
We
need
to
make
that
statement.
That's
that
was
the
motion
I
was
working
on.
We
also
we're.
We
can't
comment
on
this
in
a
couple
of
weeks.
So
if
the
regs
get
posted
and
within
a
couple
of
or
a
month
a
month
and
a
half
two
months,
we've
got
to
have
a
solid
position.
B
That's
going
to
make
it
immensely
hard
for
us
to
determine
whether
or
not
this
actually
benefits
the
residents
of
the
city
of
toronto
financially
or
from
a
service
point
of
view.
That's
a
problem,
the
the
the
other
side,
which
was
mentioned
from
by
our
speaker.
It's
not
it's
not
equitable.
The
way
this
is
working
so
far,
but
we've
got
houses
covered,
but
not
our
merb
sector
entirely.
We've
got
public
spaces,
not
covered.
We're
we're
hanging
the
commercial
side
of
things
out
out
to
dry.
B
You,
you
got
to
tell
me
that
extended
producer
responsibility
shouldn't
cover
food
courts
like
right
now,
food
courts
may
be
maybe
struggling,
but
those
clam
shells
are
going
to
start
those
those
foam.
Clam
shells
are
going
to
start
ending
up
back
in
those
in
those
waste
bins
before
you
know
it,
and
if
we're
not
covering
those
things,
then
the
very
basic
premise
we're
missing
the
very
basic
premise
of
all
of
this.
The
final
one
is
which
I
fear
is
our
world-renowned
deposit
return
system
for
beer
bottles,
and
now
it's
it.
B
It's
it's
taken
on
other
other
alcoholic
beverages,
bottles
as
well.
We
should
be
looking
at
expanding
that
as
pro
of
part
of
extended
producer
responsibility,
not
looking
at
dialing.
It
back
cancellation.
A
Well,
we
look
forward
to
your
exciting
emotion
at
at
council
and
I'm
sure
it
will
trigger
emotions.
Any
other
speakers
on
this
item.
A
B
A
It
needs
yeah,
so
the
clerk
will
quickly
type
up
emotion.
I
mean
I
I'm
a
little
reluctant
only
because
that
means
we
had
no
opinion
on
this
and
and
council
does
look
to
its
committee
system
for
guidance.
It's
almost
like.
We
couldn't
decide
what
to
do.
B
I
I'm
just
not
comfortable
sending
a
report
to
council
that
our
first
our
first
recommendation
is.
We
want
to
be
first
in
line
for
this,
like
I
have
serious
problems
with
this.
I
think
I've
voiced
it
all
now,
but
our
first
recommendation
is
that
we
want
to
be
first
in
line
july,
1st
2023..
Now
I
get
why
they
want
to
do
it.
I
understand
it
but
or
why
their
recommendation
is
coming
from
staff,
but
I'm
not
comfortable
with
so
many
unknowns
that
we're
simply
sending
that
as
our
first
recommendation.
B
I
suppose,
though
we
could
like.
I
will
move
something
to
change
the
council,
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
that
point
if
you
sent
it
without
recommendations
that
there
are
some
shortcomings
here,
but
given
that,
given
the
time
that
we
had
to
to
see
this
and
and
debate
this,
it
was
limited
but
I'll
take
your
lead
and
I'm
not
gonna
yeah.
I
won't
make
a.
A
All
right,
well
just
a
second
counselor
carol.
I
think,
had
a
point
of
order.
Yeah
can
I
oh
sorry.
Counselor
cole
had
a
point
of
order
and
if
you
want
to
chime
in
well.
K
If
you
were
to
simply
vote
the
report
down,
then
the
chair's
message
should
he
be
asked
to
give
a
message
to
the
media
or
whatever?
Is
that
we're
simply
not
ready
to
grant
authority?
We
have
some
further
motions.
We
will
bring
to
council
and
and
then
then,
that
message
is
clear,
whereas
without
recommendation
is
a
little
murky.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
council
carroll,
should
we
should
we
defer
this
to
the
next
infrastructure
environment
committee.
Give
us.
E
Yeah,
just
as
an
appendage
to
counselor
carol's
comment,
I
think
we
should
just
hold
this
down
to
the
end
of
the
meeting
and
incorporate
what
counselor
carroll
added
to
what
counselor
leighton
has
commented,
and,
let's
craft
an
a
addendum
to
the
motion
going
to
council
with
those
comments
by
councillor
layton
and
councillor
carroll.
So
let's
hold
it
down
to
the
end.
D
See
the
merit
in
that,
but
I
feel
like
I,
I
think
what
counselor
lee
wants
to
do
is
very
important
and
I'd.
Rather,
we
really
took
the
time
to
see
how
we
can
strengthen
our
position
on
this,
and
so
I'm
comfortable
to
let
this
go
through
to
council
and
amend
it
there
if
that
solves
those
technical
issues,
but
I
certainly
don't
want
to
defer
it
and
I'd.
Rather,
we
took
some
time
over
the
next
couple
weeks
to
really
craft
something
we're
all
happy
with
to
send
a
strong
message
to
the
province
about
our
concerns.
A
Okay,
we
have
yeah,
so,
let's,
let's
send
it
up
to
council
without
recommendation
seems
to
be
the
seems
to
be
the
compromise
here.
Am
I
reading
committee
correctly.
E
Let's
hold
this
down
until
we
can
include
the
recommendation
to
council
along
whether
we
want
to
delay
it
or
whatever
it
is,
but
go
to
council
with
those
two
admonitions
by
councilor
layton.
That's
what
I
thought
we
should.
We
could
do
to
get
this
going
to
council
without
just
no
opinion
or
with
rejection.
That's
all
right!
So
that's
what
I
move!
Look.
A
We'll
hold
the
item
down.
If
you
guys
can
come
up
with
something
between
now
and
when
this
item
pops
back
up
again
in
about
an
hour,
we
can,
we
can
work
with
it,
so
counselor
cole.
It
was
your
idea,
so
I
assume
you'll
be
working
on
that
vigorously.
A
Counselor
leighton,
I
understand
you,
you
have
some
direction
to
counsel.
At
least
things
to
think
about.
Is
that
a
correct.
A
I
don't
have
any
speakers
on
fifteen
five
councilor
mckelvey
has
held
this
down
impact
to
covet
19
on
waste
collection
and
litter
in
green
spaces
and
parks,
councilor
mckelvey
questions
of
staff.
D
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
We
put
up
the
signs
for
the
litter,
were
any
fines
issued
for
littering.
N
Hi
can
folks
marry
me
janie
here
through
the
chair
to
council
mckelvey.
I
don't
have
the
data
on
the
number
of
fines
that
were
issued.
I'd
have
to
specifically
enroll
that
information
from
municipal
licensing
and
standards,
who
would
be
the
ones
who
would
have
levied
any
of
the
fines.
N
I
know
that
through
some
of
the
discussions
you
know,
some
of
the
difficulties
in
laying
fines
around
litter
is
that
you
actually
have
to
witness
the
littering
happening
from
the
individual,
whereas
what
what
we
end
up
with
is
is
generally
what
happens
after
the
litter,
which
is
picking
up
the
litter,
but
I
can
follow
up
with
mls
and
see
specifically
how
many
fines
were
issued
around
littering.
D
N
I
mean
I'll
ask
mr
kelleher
to
comment
as
well.
I
think
our
experience
and
donna
can
can
can
add
in
as
well
is
that
the
signs
did
have
an
impact,
certainly
on
the
behavior
of
people
and
did
influence
them
either
taking
litter
with
them
and
not
sort
of
stockpiling
them
around
what
what
could
have
been
sort
of
full
litter
containers,
but
I'll
ask
matt
to
comment
further
on
that.
D
Okay,
yeah.
I
Can
you
hear
me
catholics?
Yes,
okay
great,
so
we
did
actually
notice
a
slight
decrease
in
in
the
amount
of
litter,
with
the
the
signs
that
were
put
up
in
conjunction
with
our
our
team.
As
always,
and
also
with
with
parks.
A
lot
of
the
the
communications
has
been.
You
know
stopped
just
putting
the
materials
wherever
you
think,
is
convenient
and
please
use
the
bin.
I
That's
what
we're
there
for,
and
our
teams
have
been
working
quite
collaboratively
to
make
sure
that
we
pick
up
litter
as
fast
as
we
possibly
can.
D
Okay,
I
have
four
questions
so
I'll,
try
and
get
through
these
quickly.
Do
we
see
during
this
time,
like
there's
the
increased
use
in
the
parks,
but
in
addition,
for
example,
you
can't
refill
your
own
portable
mug
at
tim,
hortons
or
starbucks
or
anywhere
anymore,
so
is
there
increased
litter,
also
associated
with
just
an
increase
in
general
across
single-use
single-use
items
across
the
city
like?
Are
we
seeing
that
trend
writ
large.
I
I
think
there
there's
just
there
is
a
trend
in
increasing
single-use
items
being
used
for
sure
and
it's
due
to
the
convenience
and,
of
course,
the
the
coded
impact,
the
amount
of
that
material
increase.
We're
currently
doing
some
audits
and
we'll
continue
to
do
those
over
the
next
few
months
on
our
litter
and,
what's
actually
in
it,
to
really
identify
the
amount
of
single-use
items
versus
regular
items,
and
we
can
get
back
to
counseling
committee
with
the
report
once
we
have
some
empirical
data
on
that.
D
Okay,
great
now
you
mentioned
in
the
report
that
there's
cross-contamination
of
the
recycling
and
that
ended
up
in
it
all
going
to
garbage.
That
makes
the
discussion
we
just
had
on
the
last
item
a
little
bit
moot
if
all
the
stuff
in
parks
that
should
be
recycled,
isn't
getting
recycled
anyway.
So
is
this
different
than
normal
yours,
and
how
are
we
going
to
fix
this
problem.
I
So
counselors,
to
be,
to
be
honest
and
frank,
the
the
materials
that
are
put
in
the
recycling
bin
in
our
parks
and
along
our
streets
is
highly
contaminated
and
it's
been
highly
contaminated
for
years,
and
and
that's
one
of
the
challenges
with
the
with
the
accessibility
of
the
blue
bin
right
beside
the
black
bin
and
people
coming
into
into
the
communities
from
from
neighboring
municipalities
where
rules
are
different
and
also,
unfortunately,
some
people
just
not
caring,
where
the
materials
go.
I
So
what
we've
been
seeing
is
is
a
trend
to
in
that
in
the
blue
bin,
that
more
of
that
material
is
becoming
non-recyclable
to
the
point
where
most
of
the
material
is
moved
to
the
garbage
stream.
Now
we
we
do
look
at
the
bins
and-
and
we
do
have
processes
in
place
to
recycle
those
materials.
But
at
this
point
in
time
the
the
contamination
rate
is
just
so
high
that
it's
it's
virtually
garbage.
I
What
we
are
looking
to
do
with
in
this
year's
budget
is
actually
look
to
have
a
pilot
project
at
a
number
of
the
major
parks
and
and
and
green
spaces,
where
we
will
actually
look
to
decrease
the
number
of
blue
bins
and
increase
the
number
of
black
bins
and
also
promote
more
of
our
green
bins
and-
and
our
hope
is-
is
that,
with
with
more
black
bins
available,
they
will
be
used
as
garbage
and
and
the
blue
bins
will
have
a
better
quality
of
recyclable
material
that
can
be
recycled.
D
Yeah,
so
we
have
to
sort
that
out
before
you
appear.
Okay
last
two
questions,
I'll
put
them
together
to
let
you
finish:
what's
something.
A
Thank
you,
councillor,
mcconnell
you're,
doing.
I
So
through
you,
mr
chair
to
the
counselor,
yes,
we
are
participating
in
the
october
clean
up
with
the
province
and-
and
we
work
very
closely
with
the
energy
and
environment
group
on
on
community
cleanups
and
and
we're
here
to
help
out
in
any
way
shape
or
form
to
ensure
that
the
litter
is
picked
up
in
a
safe
way.
And
and
we
can
help
manage
that.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
councilor
mckelde,
any
other
questions
for
staff.
Before
I
ask
a
few,
no
no
visiting
counselors
committee
members,
no
just
a
couple
of
quick
questions
to
to
staff.
The
ravine
strategy
was
was
the
ravine.
Cleanup
strategy
was
that
a
hundred
percent
put
on
hold
for
this
year
when
covid
struck,
because
we
had
adopted
a.
N
N
Through
the
chair,
the
program
was
not
put
on
hold.
It
unfortunately
started
later
than
it
should
have
just
because
of
some
of
the
covet
response
that
we
were
doing
in
other
areas.
But
the
program
continues
now
with
the
crews
actively
involved
in
some
of
the
ravine
cleanup
even
now,
up
until
about
november.
A
So
when
it
comes
to
park,
signage
about
littering,
bylaws
and
and
the
fines
related
to
them,
one
of
the
one
of
the
common
concerns
I
have
is
there
isn't
enough
signage?
Now
people
really
don't
like
a
lot
of
signs
in
their
parks,
but
are
we
putting
out?
Are
we
deploying
enough
public
notices
to
let
them
know
that
litter
littering
triggers
a
fine?
It's
against
bylaw.
N
So
through
the
chair,
you
know,
and
that
can
comment
as
well.
We
we
have
increased
the
amount
of
signage
this
summer,
specifically
in
parks
because
of
the
litter
problems
that
we've
been
having
all
of
the
bins
and
the
parks
are
signed
accordingly,
with
the
sort
of
rules
around
what's
supposed
to
go
in
each
bin,
there's
a
lot
of
signage
in
park,
so
we,
you
know,
obviously,
are
very
cautious
about
over
signing.
N
You
know
wherever
we
can,
but
what
we
have
done
this
summer
in
response
is
put
additional
sign
up
signage
up
in
areas
that
we
know
it's
needed,
rather
than
just
right
across
the
board.
So
you'll
see
you
know
in
some
of
the
problem
areas
we
did
increase,
managed
quite
quite
substantially.
A
N
Through
the
chair,
we
don't
initially
you
know
up
our
staff
compliment
on.
You
know
it's
a
pretty
standard
sort
of
staff
complement
across
the
board,
although
a
little
bit
different
on
weekends,
but
we
do
on
early
in
the
morning
ensure
that
our
crews
are
focused
on
the
problem
areas
with
litter,
so
that
they're
going
and
picking
up
that
litter,
along
with
the
solid
waste
program
that
matthew
was
talking
about
collaborative
collaboratively
this
summer.
N
So
we
refocus
crews
early
in
their
shifts
so
that
they
can
get
to
the
problem
areas
around
litter
and
then
redistribute
them
to
some
of
their
regular
duties.
A
Now,
with
the
with
the
bins
we
can,
we
can
put
out
more
bins,
but
unless
they're
cleared
out
on
a
timely
basis,
we
run
into
situations
of
animals
and
bees
and
whatever,
especially
if
they're
placed
it
becomes.
A
big
problem
if
they're
placed
close
to
play
sets
is,
is
a
sort
of
a
massive
bin
deployment.
Really
the
the
way
to
go
on
this
or
more
regular
collection
or
or
or
a
balance
of
both.
I
Yeah,
so
through
you,
mr
chair
to
the
committee,
it's
really
a
balance
of
both
in
terms
of
the
bins
and
bin
placement,
and
one
of
the
pieces
of
work
that
we'll
be
rolling
out
in
next
year
is
is
really
looking
at
the
the
number
of
bins
where
they're
at
in
the
major
parks
and
and
green
spaces,
and
and
looking
at
augmenting
the
number
of
blue
bins
to
to
black
bins
and
and
possibly
adjusting
down
the
number
of
blue
bins
to
get
the
the
black
bins
a
little
bit
more
prevalent
in
maybe
some
of
the
other
areas
where
we've
seen
historically
increases
of
litter.
I
But
our
crews
are
at
the
parks
and
and
the
beaches
and
at
five
o'clock
in
the
morning,
emptying
the
the
receptacles
and
we
work
through
it
today
and
do
spa
checks
to
make
sure
that
the
bins
are
not
overflowing.
The
other
challenge,
too,
with
with
the
bins
themselves,
is
when
residents
and
and
visitors
go
have
their
their
picnics
and
lunches,
and
they
end
up
with
a
big
black
garbage
bag.
I
Sometimes
they
they
don't
put
them
inside
the
bins
and
they
leave
them
beside
the
bins.
And
that's
where
we,
we
tend
to
see
some
challenges
with
a
potential
rodents
or
or
bees
buzzing
around
those,
so
we're
we're
really
actively
promoting
the
use
of
of
the
black
bins
for
garbage,
of
course,
and
and
the
blue
bins
for
recycling
and
looking
at
how
we
can
strategically
deploy
them
throughout
all
of
our
parks,
in
in
partnership
with
our
other
divisions,
to
to
get
less
litter
on
the
ground
and
have
it
into
bins.
A
D
No,
I
just
I
just
want
to
thank
staff.
I
know
that
we
were
overwhelmed
in
may
with
the
volume
in
the
parks
and
they
really
did
step
it
up.
I've
had
many
many
less
complaints
that
have
come
in
from
our
community
members
since
they've
increased
the
number
of
bins
they
put
out.
The
signs
they've
been
very
responsive
to
when
we've
been
calling
in
problem
areas,
but
clearly
we
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do,
and
especially
with
the
public
so
that
they're
separating
out
their
recyclables
and
their
garbage
appropriately.
D
I'm
really
disappointed
to
hear
that
most
of
our
recycling
bins
have
so
much
contamination
in
them
that
we,
we
can't
recycle
those
materials.
So
I
think
we've
made
some
good
strides
on
this
over
the
last
couple
of
months,
but
we
all
the
public,
the
city
everyone
needs
to
to
work
together
so
that
we
can
keep
these
parks
clean.
So
thank
you
to
both
the
residents
for
advocating
for
the
community
cleanups
they're,
doing
and
to
staff
hello.
A
Great,
thank
you
councilor
mckelvey,
any
other
speakers
before
I
share
a
few
words
counselor
leighton.
No,
so
yes,
I
just
wanted
to
echo
the
thanks
to
staff
for
for
this
important
update.
We
all
know
that
parks
are
very
precious
to
our
various
neighborhoods
across
the
city.
I
think
we
have
a
little
over
1500
of
them,
and
people
like
to
see
their
parks
in
in
good
shape.
A
They
like
to
see
them
clean
and
our
operations
staff
are
are
under
under
difficult
pressures
during
this
time
to
to
make
sure
now
that
happens,
I
mean
word
word
getting
out
is
people
are,
are
are
safer
in
parks
and
we
want
people
to
use
their
parks,
and
but
we
also
want
to
keep
make
sure
they're
they're
clean,
because
if
we
pick
the
garbage
up
on
a
timely
basis,
the
litter
load
actually
decreases,
because
I'm
I'm
I'm
a
believer
in
the
broken
window.
A
Theory,
if
people
see
garbage
kind
of
piled
up
in
a
spot,
they'll
continue
to
throw
their
garbage
on
there.
Thinking
that
that
is
the
the
policy
and
the
process
for
getting
getting
garbage
picked
up.
I'd
like
to
just
personally
thank
a
few
people
in
in
york,
center
ward,
six
joe
way
dennis
d'amato,
has
done
a
done,
a
great
job
in
in
parks
operations
under
difficult
circumstances
and
on
the
capital
side,
mario
pacquiao
and
joe
ferrara,
who
also
work
with
other
north
york
councillors.
A
A
Counselor
mckelvey
is
moving
receipt
to
all
those
in
favor
post.
That
is.
A
A
E
E
O
Yeah
through
the
chair
to
the
counselor,
so
actually
this
is
one
of
the
recommendations
of
our
report.
As
you're
aware,
this
is
the
first
year
that
we
basically
adopted
the
program
from
toronto
police
service
and
we
essentially
took
on
the
program
verbatim
in
terms
of
the
existing
locations
they
had
provided
staff.
O
In
this
report,
though,
we
are
recommending
to
go
back
and
revisit
those
existing
704
locations
that
we
inherited
to
see
number
one,
first
and
foremost,
whether
or
not
there's
an
opportunity
to
eliminate
the
lunch
schedule.
If
there's
a
very
low
volume
of
children
crossing
at
lunchtime
or
again,
hopefully
trying
to
find
locations
like
the
one
you
mentioned
there,
whereby
maybe
a
school's
closed,
there
may
be
changes
in
the
neighborhood
that
may
trigger
the
kind
of
reverse
warrant.
To
basically
have
that
guard
removed.
O
Through
the
chair
so
yeah,
that
is
part
of
the
warrant
process.
We
basically
have
this.
This
gap.
Analysis
warrant
process
is
a
new
word
process
that
we
just
started
that
came
down
from
the
ontario
traffic,
so
that
looks
at
the
number
of
pedestrians
crossing
the
location.
O
It
also
looks
at
the
volume
of
traffic
and
and
basically
it
tries
to
determine
the
degree
to
which
conflicts
occur
between
pedestrians
and
and
vehicles
at
the
various
intersections
and
then
looks
again
set
thresholds
to
basically
make
the
establishments
to
whether
or
not
the
crossing
guard
is
warranted.
E
G
Just
just
to
add
to
that,
the
guards
themselves
do
not
keep
a
tallied
count
every
day
at
who's
crossing
at
that
intersection.
So
in
order
for
us
to
have
some
information
and
data
related
to
that,
that's
why
we
go
in
and
do
this
warrant
analysis.
E
Well,
I
I
just
don't
you
think
this
would
be
essential
part
of
the
analysis
of
how
necessary
certain
locations
are,
and
others
are
not
I
mean
they
could
do
it
electronically,
put
a
counter
in
their
hand
in
some
locations.
It's
rare
that
you
see
anybody
cross.
E
So
it's
not
as
if
we're
putting
undue
onus
on
the
guards
to
do
this
challenging
bookkeeping.
Why
wouldn't
we
ask
them
to
take
account
of
how
many
individual
residents
that
they
cross
every
day?
Why
not
do
it.
G
So
so,
there's
I'll
let
roger
get
into
the
details
on
this,
but
you
know
there's
differences
on
a
daily
basis
and
over
different
times
of
the
year
with
regard
to
the
usage.
G
So
when
we
do
our
warrant
analysis,
we
actually
do
it
at
a
specific
time
of
the
year
so
that
we
can
capture
the
sort
of
most
conservative
estimate
and
it
is
more
effective
for
us
to
be
able
to
consistently
track
the
number.
So
while
we
could
potentially
give
the
guards
a
quicker
to
be
able
to
identify
the
number
of
people
depending
on
the
situation,
they
may
or
may
not
be
able
to
be
as
diligent
about
that
as
we
could.
O
Yeah
through
the
chair,
just
just
to
add
to
barbara's
comment,
I
mean
there's
really
a
couple
things
here,
one
in
terms
of
consistency
and
when
we
do
the
counts.
But
more
importantly,
there
are
locations
where
you
know,
as
you
say,
maybe
there's
less
children
there.
O
So
there's
more
of
an
opportunity
to
be
counting
but
there's
also
a
lot
of
locations
where
there's
very
heavy
pedestrian
traffic,
and
we
really
do
want
the
crossing
guards
themselves
to
focus
on
the
location
and
and
helping
the
kids
across
the
street
safely,
rather
than
the
count
itself
not
to
mention
to
you
know
again
to
have
the
crossing
guards.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
council
cool,
any
other
questions
for
staff.
K
Yes,
thank
you.
So
I
understand
the
report
directs
us
to
begin
to
to
evaluate
the
the
inherited
sites,
the
those
that
that
moved
over
from
the
police
services
so,
and
that
may
be
one
of
the
sites
that
councilor
cole,
witnessed
and
so
doing
those
counts
is,
is
really
essential,
but
I'm
wondering
you're
also
recommending
adding
sites,
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
have
developed
a
rigorous
set
of
criteria
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
adding
sites.
K
We
know
that
the
the
police
service
had
a
set
of
criteria,
but
it
was
also
budge
very
much
budget
driven
because
they
they
said
you
can.
You
can
have
as
many
crossing
guards
as
you're
willing
to
fund
us
for
and-
and
so
there
was
always
that
that
tension
are.
We
are
we
confident
that
we've
developed
our
own
now
that
it's
under
the
the
city's
hospice
have
we
have
we
developed
our
own
set
of
rigorous
criteria
to
make
sure
that
that
everyone
we
add
is,
is
absolutely
warranted.
G
So
through
the
chair,
we,
we
actually
have
done
that
and
in
fact
it
was
a
critical
piece
of
us
taking
on
the
program
and
it
was
timely
because
the
province,
I
believe
the
ontario
traffic
council
had
just
released
provincial
wide
standards
for
crossing
guard
assessments,
and
so
we
adopted
that
warrant,
which
is,
I
would
argue,
more
thorough
and
comprehensive
than
the
warrant
that
was
being
used
previously.
G
K
No
I'd
like
to
move
on
to
the
topic
of
what,
if
you
find
summer,
no
longer
warranted,
even
if
they
are
no
longer
warranted.
The
removal
of
a
crossing
guard
is
always
very
controversial
in
the
the
community,
so
pardon
the
pun.
But
it
seems
to
me
that
if
that
is
the
case,
there's
an
intersection
between
vision,
zero
and
and
this
evaluation.
K
If
you
find
that
that
that
there's
an
area
where
you
have
to
you,
you
have
to
propose
removal
of
a
crossing
guard
because
it's
no
longer
warranted.
Is
it
possible
to
give
the
community
some
assurance
by
by
saying,
but
we
will
prioritize
this
particular
street
network,
whatever
the
streets
are
that
come
to
that
intersection
for
the
vision,
zero
reduction
to
30k,
so
that
we
can
say
to
people
that
that
crossing
guards
are
but
one
of
many
measures
to
keep
children
safe
and
if
we're
removing
one
we
can
prioritize
another.
K
Is
that
possible?
You
know,
I'm
I'm
imagining
that
that
removal
is
only
going
to
be
recommended
in
a
in
a
handful
of
cases,
so
it
wouldn't
up
in
vision,
zero
to
to
prioritize
a
few
here.
G
Through
the
chair,
counselor
carol,
you're
exactly
right,
I
we,
we
believe
very
strongly
that
crossing
guards
are
a
very
important
tool
but
they're
only
one
tool
in
the
vision,
zero
safety
toolkit
and
in
in
certain
scenarios,
people
have
identified
issues
at
an
intersection
that
we
believe
could
be
reviewed
and
satisfied
with
other
tools,
whether
it
be
additional
signalization,
whether
it's
changing
the
duration
of
time
on
the
crossing
additional
lighting.
Maybe
changes
your
modifications
to
the
sidewalk
network,
there's
a
number
of
different
things
that
we
can
do,
and
we
would
want
to
prioritize
that.
G
I
also
think
we
have
the
opportunity-
and
we
would
want
to
talk
about
this-
a
little
bit
to
to
shift
those
guards
that
no
longer
meet
the
warrant
within
the
same
ward,
so
that
clearly,
unless
the
school
has
closed
down,
if
it's
moved
or
there's
some
other
situation,
perhaps
we
can
can
we
can
manage
it
that
way
by
shifting
the
resource
within
the
same
ward,.
A
Thank
you,
counselor
carol.
Are
there
any
of
the
questions
for
staff?
Yes,
deputy
mayor
men
and
wong.
C
O
Yep
through
the
chair,
so
the
warrant
process,
as
barbara
mentioned,
is
a
new
process
that
was
established
by
the
ontario
council
back
in
2017.
It's
referred
to
as
the
index
exposure
method.
So
essentially
what
it
does
is.
It
looks
at
the
number
of
pedestrians
crossing
at
the
intersection.
It
looks
at
the
number
of
vehicles
that
are
crossing
and
basically
looks
for
conflicts,
but
then
what
it
does
is
it
actually
checks
against
a
hysteresis
for
that
particular
type
of
intersection
as
well.
So
it's
kind
of
like
a.
O
What
would
you
expect
to
see
in
terms
of
potential
pedestrian
and
cyclist
conflicts
at
an
intersection?
And
then
essentially,
what
you
do?
Is
you
you,
you
plot
on
a
graph
in
terms
of
a
threshold
to
sort
of
say
for
this
particular
type
of
intersection
in
terms
of
the
size
and
cross-section
of
it,
what
you
would
expect
in
terms
of
pedestrian
volumes,
vehicle
volumes,
the
sort
of
conflicts
that
would
be
deemed
acceptable
versus
exceeding
the
threshold
that
would
actually
trigger
the
warrant
for
pedestrian
for
a
school
crossing
guard.
O
C
C
O
Yeah
through
the
chair,
I
absolutely
agree
with
that.
I
think
I
think
we
may
have
sort
of
a
vague
description
on
the
website,
but
I
think
it's
worthwhile
for
us
to
revisit
that
and
maybe
put
some
additional
information
just
so
people
have
a
better
understanding
of
how
rigorous
the
new
process
is.
O
O
Through
the
chair,
they
do
not
chip
in
they.
Don't
they
don't
contribute
to
that
cost
at
all.
C
Oh
okay,
so
30
and
they've
all
been
examined
to
qualify
for
this
warrant
system.
O
Through
the
chair,
that's
correct:
we
we
first
we
adopted
that
new
warrant
system
that
was
implemented.
We
established
the
thresholds
that
are
unique
to
the
city
and
so
yeah.
These
three
locations
were
actually
vetted
using
that
new
approach.
C
And
have
you
measured
how
many
accidents
you've
avoided
by
using
these
these
crossing
guards.
O
I
think
the
bigger
focus
was
just
in
adopting
the
program
from
toronto
police
and
taking
on
the
full
burden
of
the
program
last
year,
but
that's
certainly
something
we
could
look
at
in
the
future.
O
Through
the
chair
gone
back
a
couple
years
ago,
2017
there
was
actually
two
fatalities
and
I
think
the
year
before
that
there
was
a
single
fatality
there's
in
terms
of
serious
injuries.
The
numbers
are
fairly
low
from
my
recollection,
but
I
think
we'd
have
to
look
back
at
the
data
to
kind
of
see.
O
Through
the
chair
I
mean
the
reality
is
as
as
one
of
the
many
tools
in
the
vision,
zero
road
safety
plan,
the
idea
of
having
the
crossing
guard
there,
making
the
crossings
a
lot
more,
conspicuous
and,
quite
frankly,
even
having
the
guards
there
and
motorists
driving
around
and
seeing
the
presence
of
the
guard
sort
of
just
serves
as
a
bit
of
a
reminder
to
everybody
that
it's
that
time
of
year
again
and
there's
a
lot
of
children
and
parents
walking
around
the
neighborhood
anything
for
school
right.
So.
O
So
there's
no
there's
no
numerical
evidence.
No
statistical
correlation
evidence
like
that
that
we've
that
we've
actually
undertaken.
C
A
Thank
you,
deputy
mayor
wong,
any
other
questions
for
staff.
I
just
have
a
couple
of
quick
ones.
A
No,
just
bringing
your
attention
number
three
item
that
we're
voting
on
committee
members
we're
providing
320
000
per
year
to
both
school
boards.
I
don't
know.
I
thought
there
were
four
school
boards
in
toronto
to
fund
existing
school
travel
planning
programs
now
do
we
do
we
send
criteria
for
that
to
to
the
school
boards
on
how
that
can
be
spent,
or
it's
discretionary
upon
the.
O
Recipient,
so
through
the
chair,
so
the
school
boards
have
their
existing
school
travel
planning
program.
Actually,
maybe,
if
I
can
go
back,
this
goes
back
to
the
the
motion
that
was
raised
when
we
presented
the
report
back
in
june
of
last
year
about
the
need
for
us
to
work
closely
with
the
school
boards
in
terms
of
the
drop-off
and
pick-up
zones.
O
So
when
we
consulted
with
the
school
boards,
we
felt
that
the
the
best
way
to
expedite
that
effort
of
looking
about
the
issues
around
the
the
drop-off
and
pick-up
zones
was
to
basically
leverage
their
existing
school
travel
planning
work.
That's
been
going
on
where
they
prioritize
schools,
where
they
feel
there's
a
need
and
they've
got
a
regimented
program
where
they
go
about
investigating,
not
just
the
drop-off
and
pick-up
zones,
but
the
actual
walk-in
to
school
for
most
of
the
pedestrians
and
then
from
there.
We
can
build
on
that
to
make
whatever
improvements.
O
We
need,
whether
it's
at
the
front
of
the
school
in
terms
of
drop-off
or
pickup
or
with
respect
to
the
actual
route
to
school
itself.
So,
yes,
it
is
a
very
rigorous
program.
A
So
is
this:
is
this
capital
or
operating,
or
it's
at
the
discretion
of
the
of
the
school
boards.
G
It's
operating
dollars,
counselor
and
it
is
actually
aligned
with
the
vision,
zero
road
safety
plan,
education
program.
A
So
if
it's
operating
are
they
are
they
hiring
staff
members
or
giving
an
honorarium
to
parents
or
what
would
be
a
common
way
that
these
monies
are
being
spent.
O
Yeah,
so
through
the
chair,
what
the
school
boards
have
done
is
they've
basically
retained
the
support
of
green
communities,
canada,
where
they
have
a
lot
of
expertise
when
it
comes
to
the
sort
of
public
consultation
process
and
yeah,
they
involve
the
principal
some
of
the
teachers
they
involve
parents
within
the
schools.
Certainly
my
staff
and
traffic
operations
are
involved
in
that
exercise
as
well,
too
and
and
again
on
the
go
forward,
especially
now
that
we're
proposing
to
to
put
city
toronto
money
towards
us
as
well.
A
So
if
they
wanted
to
spend
these
funds
on
pylons
or
reflective,
vests
or
honorarium
to
volunteers,
to
help
direct
traffic
and
make
sure
kids
are
dropped
off
and
pick
up
safely,
those
would
be
acceptable
expenses
or
we
don't.
We
don't
audit
and
we
just
we.
O
A
Okay,
all
right!
Thank
you
very
much.
Those
are
my
questions.
Any
other
questions
from
committee
speakers.
A
K
Just
following
on
the
question
that
I
that
I
asked
of
miss
gray
and-
and
I
think
she
helped
me-
make
it
clear
in
terms
of
the
evaluation
of
the
704
locations
that
came
from
the
police,
we
know
that
they
they
too
had
rigorous
standards
in
setting
them,
but
but
it
it
was
generally
budget
driven
and
not
community
driven.
And
so
we
there
was
pent
up
demand
to
add
at
locations.
K
There's
no
question
when,
when
the
city
took
it
over,
so
if,
in
that
evaluation
we
find
that
there
are
some
that
no
longer
meet
the
updated
warrants
and
I'm
happy
to
hear
that
there's
a
probability
component
to
to
what
an
intersection
represents
in
safety,
because
sometimes
communities
know
they
have
an
intersection,
that's
getting
less
and
less
safe.
K
Is
this
a
road
that
the
speed
cameras
50
have
already
been
installed
near
schools,
and-
and
we
know
that
they're
useful,
because
before
the
kids
even
got
back
to
school,
they
have
produced
20,
2000,
speed,
warning
letters
and
1200
in
in
in
the
case
of
one
driver
in
one
month,
and
so
we
know
those
cameras
are
effective
tickets,
the
school
zone
markings
in
my
own
experience
in
my
ward.
There
are
a
couple
of
locations
where
they
have
been
very
effective.
The
watcher
speed
signs
and
the
30k
has
been
very
effective.
K
So
I'm
happy
to
hear
this
from
from
the
director,
but
I
hope
this
continues
to
be
the
case
in
every
location.
K
Zero
will
be
employed
on
a
prioritized
basis
at
this
intersection,
because
we
know
they're
effective
tools
now
from
the
data
gathered
over
the
last
year,
so
we're
going
to
have
to
be
able
to
offer
that
as
as
comfort
and
caveat
to
to
any
changes
to
the
school
guard,
the
school
crossing
guard
program.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Those
are
my
comments.
A
A
No
counselor,
peruso
or
you've
been
very
quiet
over
there.
Do
you
have
something
he's
saying.
A
A
I
I
think,
I'm
just
going
to
share
a
couple
of
observations
and
it's
sort
of
dovetailing
on
to
what
councilor
carroll
said
about
removing
crossing
guards.
You
know
when
we
put
in
a
civilized
intersection
based
on
warrants.
If,
if
that
intersection
no
longer
meets
the
warrants,
we
don't
we
don't
take
it
down.
If
we
put
up
a
stop
sign
based
on
warrants
approved
by
community
council
and
city
council
and
something
changes
in
the
neighborhood
and
that
stop
sign
no
longer
meets
the
warrants.
A
A
I
would
say
that
we
have
to
be
very
careful
if
we're
going
to
start
removing
these
any
kind
of
crossing
guards.
I
remember
the
program
is
called
vision:
zero.
It's
not
vision,
five
percent,
it's
not
vision,
ten
percent,
it's
vision,
zero
and
it's
true.
It
comes
with
a
cost.
It
comes
with
a
very
heavy
cost,
but
we
have
to
proceed
very
cautiously
before
we
start
yanking
yanking
those
schools,
school
or
neighborhood,
crossing
guards.
A
Okay,
counselor
cole.
I
think
your
motion
is
ready
on
this
item.
A
E
A
I
have
a
major
golf
usage
report
coming
to
this
committee.
What
are
you
looking
at
here.
E
Yeah:
okay,
that's
up!
Okay!
Thank
you
very
much
staff
for
writing
this
up,
because
this
came
up
as
a
result
of
our
discussions
here.
I'm
moving
that
the
infrastructure
environment
committee
amend
the
list
of
the
new
schools
in
appendix
5
by
adding
the
following
new
location.
I
know
there's
30
in
the
list,
I'm
asking
at
50
amir
avenue
at
st
margaret's
beatrice
catholic
school
on
amir
avenue.
E
If
you
know
the
area,
it's
where
amir
meets
neptune
and
there's
a
huge
blind
curve
there,
it's
right
beside
the
baycrest
seniors
campus,
the
entrance
to
baycrest
arena
and
baycrest
park
and
there's
a
lot
of
density
there
with
a
lot
of
apartments
there
and
plus
this
school
is
new.
So
what
happened?
This
was
the
old
flemington
school.
E
It
was
there,
I
assume,
for
the
briar
hill
public
school
which
closed
five
years
ago,
so
I
don't
know
whether
the
crossing
guard
is
there
sure
and
it
would
meet
the
warrants,
maybe
because
there's
a
lot
of
traffic
on
castle
field
on
dufferin.
You
know
right
near
california,
sandwiches
there
at
the
corner,
it's
a
very
busy
corner,
but
yet
there's
no
school
there
there's
no
school
all
up
and
down
duffer
until
south
of
eglinton
at
db
hood.
E
E
They
could
do
a
weekly
report.
I
mean
with
all
the
technology
we
have
with
give
them
a
counter
of
some
sort.
We
should
get
a
good
idea,
because
how
can
you
do
a
warrant
for
a
location?
If
you
don't
have
a
count
of
how
many
children
or
how
many
people
adults
residents
are
crossing?
We
don't
know
because
we
don't
do
that
count,
and
so
I
think
it's
critical
that
we
start
asking
that
there
be
some
accurate,
counting
done
and
use
that
as
part
of
the
warrant
system.
E
It's
not
going
to
be
the
end
all
and
be
all
for
determining
whether
they
get
a
crossing
guard.
But
I
think
this
is
a
glaring
omission
that
we
don't
have
this
count
and
because
this
program,
I
think,
if
I
recollect
there's
up
to
now
about
30
million
dollars
a
year,
and
I
think
when
the
police
had
it,
they
were
budgeting
11
million.
E
So
this
is
a
big
investment
in
safety.
It's
needed,
but
we've
got
to
just
make
sure
that
it's
effective
and
that
these
decisions,
where
they
go,
is
made
with
the
best
information
possible.
E
And
that
is
why
I'm
moving
this
motion
to
include
this
site
at
this
very
dangerous
curve
where
this
new
school
is
located
and
that
the
people
also
want
to
access
both
sides
of
mirror,
because
we
have
all
these
public
facilities
on
the
other
side
of
the
mirror
on
a
dangerous
curve
where
the
school
is
located.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
council
call
any
questions
for
the
mover
deputy
mayor,
mitt
wong.
A
Okay,
the
request
of
a
committee
member
we're
gonna,
vary
procedures
and
go
back
to
staff,
and
I
I
would
hope
the
questions
are
related
to
the
motion
before
us.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
thank
that
no.
I
really
appreciate
your
your
advice,
counselor
perusa,
but
I'm
good
deputy
mayor
minnewong.
Do
you
want
to
proceed.
O
G
O
G
Just
wanted
to,
I
just
wanted
to
add
deputy
mayor
men
and
wong
that
we
also
have
a
hundred
additional
warrant
count
requests
that
are
in
the
queue
that
need
to
be
done
starting
in
october.
This
is
beyond
the
30
that
we're
proposing
for
this
location.
There's
a
hundred
additional
locations
where
warrant
requests
have
already
been
made.
C
Okay,
I
understand
that,
thank
you
very
much,
but
if
we
asked
you
to
have
a
look
at
that,
you
could
go
and
have
a
look
at
that.
G
G
We
would
go
and
ask
for
them
to
be
put
through
the
process
to
do
a
warrant
assessment.
G
C
G
It
would
certainly
go
on
the
list
to
be
reviewed.
As
I
mentioned,
there
are
already
100
sites
in
the
queue,
so
I
don't
know
roger
what
the
what
what
the
burn
rate
is
in
terms
of
doing
that
warrant
assessment.
I
think
those
100
sites
will
be
reviewed
starting
in
october,
and
then
we
would
do
another
batch
in
the
springtime.
So
there
are
two
time
frames
by
which
we
know
we're
going
to
get
the
most
robust
counts
in
the
fall
and
in
the
spring,
to
assess
crossing
guards.
G
We
would
work
with
the
counselor
on
the
process
to
add
this
to
the
list
of
100.
right,
so
we
would,
we
would
go
back
and
ensure
that
he
and
the
school
principal
had
the
information
to
fill
out
the
the
application,
and
then
we
would
put
it
in
the
list
to
be
assessed.
So,
yes,
we
would
we
would
do
it.
It
would
just
go
in
the
the
next
batch
that
we
have
available
to
us.
A
Are
you
counselor
deputy
remember,
why
are
you
done.
A
Okay,
okay,
you're
on
questions
of
staff;
okay,
okay,
so,
okay,
we'll
go
to
we'll
go
back
to
questions
for
the
mover.
C
C
You,
mr
chair,
I'm
just
wondering
if
councilor
cole
would
add
to
his
motion
that
if
we
were
to
approve
it
today
that
that
be
added
to
the
hundred
that
are
being
reviewed
for
warren,
so
that
we
can
understand
whether
we
we
essentially
give
him
the
benefit
of
the
doubt
that
the
crossing
guard
is
required,
but
that
it
gets
reviewed
as
part
of
the
one.
It
gets
reviewed
to
evaluate
whether
a
crossing
guard
is
required.
E
Over
a
year
ago
I
can,
I
can
show
the
emails
and
the
communication
I
had
where
this
I
asked
for
an
investigation
to
see
why
we
couldn't
listen
to
the
request
by
the
local
school
to
get
the
crossing
guard
there.
So
this
isn't
shouldn't
be
new
to
staff,
but
I
definitely
did
communicate
with
them
and
discuss
this
location
of
50
amir
because
it
was
a
serious
safety
concern.
E
E
C
And
the
commit
and
there's
a
warrant
system
where
we're
doing
a
review,
and
you
know
because
this
is
not
being
recommended
by
staff.
The
committee
doesn't
really
know
whether
it's
necessary
or
not.
So
this
would
be.
You
know
if
I
voted
for
it,
I'm
happy
to
give
you
the
benefit
of
the
doubt
that
it's
needed,
but
at
the
back
end
I'd
like
to
review
my
staff
to
look
at
the
warrants
to
see
whether
based
on
their
warrant
system.
Where
is
it
whether
it's
actually
needed.
E
No,
I
don't
consider
that
friendly,
because
I
have
brought
this
up
to
staff.
This
is.
I
can
not
understand
why
it's
not
part
of
the
thirty,
when
I
I
emphasize
the
dangers
here
again
months
ago
to
our
staff
and
why
this
was
not
considered
is
beyond
me,
especially
in
light
of
the
fact.
As
I
said,
there
are
some
other
locations
that
should
have
been
changed,
perhaps
because
the
schools
have
closed
down,
for
instance.
E
A
Definitely
wong,
I
think
you've
got
your
answer,
he's
not
going
to
accept
it
as
a
friendly
amendment.
If
you
want
to
move
the
motion,
then
we
can
vote
on
it
and
refer
it
off
to
staff
for
study.
I
mean
it's
a
reasonable
motion.
I
don't
know
if
I'll
support
it,
but
I
mean
it's
a
reasonable
request.
A
Let's
go
to
speakers
any
speakers
on
the
item
deputy
mayor
menorah:
are
you
going
to
move
a
motion
to
amend.
C
I
yeah,
actually
you
know
I
am
going
to
move
a
motion
to
refer
to
staff
for
study.
I
look
at.
I
want
to
support
the
counselor
and
I
want
to
support
the
system.
C
The
system,
if,
if
we're
going
to
give
credibility
and
legitimacy
to
the
system,
we
have
to
follow
the
rules
and
we
can't
be
putting
crop
it
costs
money
because
you
can't
be
putting
them
anywhere,
and
you
know
I
don't
know
the
counselor's
history
with
regards
to
talking
to
staff
I'd
like
to
support
it
and
if
it
meets
the
warrant
system.
C
It
has
implications
for
every
member
of
council
when
someone
from
the
community
says
that
they
want
a
crossing
guard,
and
you
know
we're
going
to
have
to
say
where
there's
a
warrant
system
and
they'll
say
well,
you
gave
one
to
councillor
cole,
so
I
I
I
just
want
to
see
and
support
the
system
that
we've
adopted
and
and
if
cancer
calls
location,
is
warranted.
100.
Let's
go
let's
go
forward
and
do
that.
A
Okay,
so
accounts
a
deputy
mayor.
Minowak
has
has
moved
a
motion
to
to
refer.
Are
there
any
speakers
on
the
item?
A
A
That
being
said,
this
is
this
is
a
rarity
and
we
have
to
sometimes
rely
on
our
local
counselors
or
their
for
their
advice
and
and
knowing
what
goes
on
on
the
ground.
They've
been
working
on
it
for
a
year,
I'm
prepared
to
support
the
the
local
council
and
not
support
referral,
despite
the
the
risk
of
the
precedence
it
sets,
and
that's
all
I
have
to
say.
A
A
So
we'll
vote
on
referral.
First:
okay,
all
those
in
favor
of
referral.
A
I
can't
I
can't
see
it.
I
can't
see
anyone's
vote.
Okay,
I
see
councilor
layton
in
favor
of
referral
deputy
mayor
minna
wong
in
favor
of
referral.
All
those
opposed.
A
Do
you
want
to
snuggle
in
with
someone
else
and
try
and
photobomb
their
video,
or
what
do
you?
What
would
you
like
to
do?
No?
A
A
Is
harold
smith?
Yes?
Okay!
Thank
you
very
much.
You're
you're
deputing.
On
the
the
item
called
a
request
to
study
the
environment
impact
of
two-stroke
engine
garden
equipment.
You
have
five
minutes.
F
F
A
recent
harvard
study
found
that
long-term
exposure
to
gas-powered
leaf
blower
pollution
may
significantly
raised
the
risk
of
death
from
covet
19.
researchers
found
a
one.
Microgram
increase
in
concentration
of
fine
particles
was
associated
with
a
15
percent
increase
in
the
risk
of
covet
19
related
death,
landscape
workers
face
disproportionate
profit,
19
risks,
gas
leaf,
blower
exhaust
near
workers,
airways,
and
I
think
the
same
applies
to
all
gas
equipment
exposes
them
to
concentrated
pollution,
increasing
their
risk
of
coveting
complications
and
death
and
boosting
chances
of
spreading
coping
to
others.
F
Few
workers
wear
breathing
protection,
most
travel,
advanced
trucks,
making
safe
physical
distancing,
impossible
noise,
gas
leak,
blower
noise
and
other
gas
powered
equipment,
degrades
hearing
and
causes
stress,
mediated
disorders
like
heart,
disease,
psychological
disturbances
and
metabolic
abnormalities,
some
of
which
increase
covet
19
risk.
This
intense
noise
interrupts
concentration,
impairs
illness
recovery
and
disrupts
children's
learning
and
people's
ability
to
work
at
home.
F
Other
issues,
major
health
and
environmental
organizations,
including
the
u.s
centers
for
disease
control
and
prevention.
The
american
lung
association,
the
national
institutes
of
health,
physicians
groups
and
various
medical
societies
warn
against
the
use
of
gas
powered,
lawn
and
garden
equipment.
Several
medical
societies
passed
resolution
resolutions,
discouraging
gas
leaf.
Blower
use
non-compliant
excessive
gas
leaf.
Blower
use
workers
run
blowers
at
the
highest
setting
generating
excessive
noise
in
large
clouds
of
fine
particulate
matter
and
dust
landscapers
using
blowers
unnecessarily
blow
grass
clippings,
weekly
and
environment,
environmentally
unsound
practice,
degrading
lawn
soil
and
plant
health.
F
F
Some
inappropriately
use
these
machines
for
dirt
sand
and
snow
removal.
Enforcement
enforcement
must
incorporate
effective
and
faster
measures
used
elsewhere.
Instead
of
toronto's
inefficient
procedures
suggested
strategies
are
ticketing
workers
with
gas-powered
equipment,
accepting
time
stamped
email
photos
as
evidence
and
stationing
inspectors
in
neighborhoods
cruise
frequent,
and
I
can
think
of
forest
hill
north
toronto
bridal
path.
There
are
plenty
of
areas
you
know
it
must
be
strategic
education.
F
Toronto
must
warn
residents
and
industry
about
the
serious
health
and
environmental
and
climate
risks
from
gas-powered
equipment
to
increase
awareness
and
acceptance
about
200
u.s
and
several
gta
companies
already
use,
get
electric
battery
operated
machines,
entire
municipalities
and
school
districts
certified
as
american
green
zone
alliance.
Green
zones
are
operating
with
electric
and
manual
tools
for
all
routine
maintenance.
These
cities
and
schools
have
substantially
reduced
toxic
and
carcinogenic
emissions.
Noise,
waste
and
carbon
dioxide.
A
F
A
F
Ice
caps
are
shrinking,
wildfires
are
burning,
the
u.s
and
2019
was
among
the
warmest
on
record
200
u.s
cities
and
towns,
and
four
canadian
cities
restrict
or
ban
this
type
of
equipment,
particularly
gas
leaf
blowers.
Toronto
must
ban
gas
power
equipment
to
protect
our
health,
the
environment
and
our
climate.
Please
pass
this
motion.
Thank
you.
A
H
H
H
H
H
H
Benzene
is
a
gasoline
component.
The
ontario
occupational
health
and
safety
act
classifies
benzene
as
the
designated
substance,
with
a
short-term
exposure
limit
of
two
and
a
half
parts
per
million
in
air
in
the
workplace,
taking
into
account
the
excess
air
going
into
a
leaf
blower.
I've
done
a
calculation
of
how
much
of
this
30
of
the
fuel
appears
in
the
exhaust
and
it
comes
out
to
7.3
percent.
H
This
is
2900
times
the
osha
short-term
exposure
limit
of
two
and
a
half
parts
per
million,
which
is
the
worse
an
operator
in
his
or
her
workplace.
Using
benzene
will
experience,
so
you
can
say
all
lawn
mowing.
Maintenance
contractors
are
in
violation
of
the
occupational
health
and
safety
act
unless
they
have
their
employees
wearing
carbon
filter,
masks
the
ontario
ministry
of
labor
visits
workplaces
and
with
that
use,
designated
substances
and
measures.
The
level
in
the
air
to
ensure
companies
are
complying
with
exposure
limits.
It's
very
doubtful.
H
H
The
high
velocity
air,
which
travels
at
200
miles
an
hour
and
generates
very
fine
particulate
matter.
This
dust
can
stay
airborne
for
days
and
is
a
danger
to
people
with
lung
disease.
Electrically
driven
leaf
floors
also
produce
dust,
but
at
much
lower
rate.
However,
because
these
blowers
are
not
needed
in
the
summer,
I
advocate
the
city.
Go
all
the
way
and
ban
all
types
of
blowers
in
the
summer
season
for
lawn
maintenance
and
year
round
by
city
workers.
H
In
1967,
ronald
reagan
signed
the
the
governor
of
california
signed
the
air
resources
act,
which
gave
them
authority
to
set
their
own
quality
rules
that
same
year,
carb
california,
air
resources
board
issued
the
first
tail
fight
emission
standards
to
the
auto
industry,
which
had
to
be
met
before
they
could
sell
cars
in
the
states
over
the
ensuing
years.
Carbons
continue
to
raise
the
bar
with
tighter
and
tighter
tail
bite
emissions.
They
have
collaborated
with
caltech
who
has
provided
research
to
the
automotive
industry,
which
has
produced
technologies
like
the
catalytic
converter
and
positive
crankcase
ventilation.
H
H
A
A
You
that
we're
done,
but
if
you've
missed
anything
out,
maybe
you
can
add
it
in
your
answers.
If
questions
are
coming
from
committee
members,
any
questions
to
the
deputy
councilor
carol.
H
A
H
K
Just
ask
a
follow-up
question
monty
so
that
was
19
years
ago,
and
it
was
just
shortly
before
I
became
elected.
So
in
the
interim
between
then
and
now
is
there?
Is
there
a
refresh
in
the
re
in
the
research?
Is
there
a
refresh
in
the
types
of
approaches
to
dealing
with
two-stroke
engine
garden
equipment?
Is
there
a
reason
we
should
actually
ask
staff
to
go
back
and
look
again
and
write
a
report
19
years
later,.
K
H
And
there
was
a
very
interesting
statistic:
they
talked
about
that
one
microgram,
that's
a
millionth
of
a
gram
of
this
particulate
matter.
H
19,
it
increases
their
chance
of
death
by
10
a
leaf
blower.
The
average
leaf
blower
produces
30
million
micrograms
per
hour.
That's
that's
just
30
grams
and
you
can
hold
it
in
your
hand,
but
this
dust
is
very,
very
fine.
It
sucks
that
one
microgram
of
that
getting
into
the
lungs
of
somebody
with
covered
19
and
people
with
all
lung
diseases.
H
You
start
breathing
in
all
this
crap.
That's
in
that
dust.
You
know,
for
instance,
street
dust
that
the
lawn
mowing
contractors
they're
not
following
practices
that
their
own
association
recommends
and
they
blow
the
grass
clippings
off
the
lawn
and
all
the
dust
down.
The
street
dust
contains
asbestos
from
brake
lining,
wear
and
carbon
black
from
tire
wear
and
then
a
pulverized
very
fine
form
in
your
lungs,
so
they're
both
carcinogens.
A
Okay,
fair
enough,
thank
you,
council
carol,
any
other
questions
for
this
deputy,
no
okay,
final,
deputy,
no
sorry,
third,
deputy
chris
keating.
A
Yes,
we
can
thank
you,
mr
keating.
We
you're
five
minutes.
M
Great
I'm
with
the
environment
committee
of
the
deer
part,
residence
group
and
the
points
that
I
wanted
to
make
that,
if
you
think
of
this,
the
fact
that
asbestos
insulation
lead
water
pipes
lead
in
gasoline
a
catalytic
converter
on
vehicle
exhaust
to
reduce
toxic
gases,
smoking
in
public
spaces,
seat
belts
and
cars
and
the
current
reduction
of
pesticides
in
gardens.
These
are
all
things
that
we
are
now
have
done,
and
we
look
back
on
it
and
said
how
the
hell
did
we
ever
get
here
in
the
first
place.
M
Now
this
summer,
I
to
change
our
priorities
and
how
we
maintain
our
homes
and
our
gardens
by
not
using
two-stroke
engine
garden
equipment.
There
is
the
alternative,
a
battery
equipment
which
is
now
available,
which
20
years
ago,
this
wasn't
available.
So
there
is
an
alternative
for
these
other
organizations.
M
Once
we
learned
once
people
learn
of
the
dangers
and
the
two-stroke
engine
garden
equipment,
they
can
influence
their
landscape
contractors
to
a
less
noisy
and
less
toxic
alternative,
such
as
a
battery-powered
equipment.
This
summer
I
the
dprg,
passed
two-stroke
engine
garden
equipment
and
specifically
leaf
blowers.
They
passed
a
motion
to
ban
it.
I
also
personally
dropped
a
letter
in
the
mailboxes
of
my
neighbors
on
my
street
and
surrounding
streets.
The
letter
said
that
covet
19
has
changed
the
world
now
more
than
ever.
M
We
think
about
our
health
and,
as
as
many
neighbors
will
be
away
on
vacation
this
summer,
I
have
a
request
from
those
who
remain
in
toronto
that
perhaps
you
would
consider
asking
your
landscape
company
not
to
use
gas
powered,
leaf,
blowers
and
lawn
mowers,
while
you're
away
on
vacation.
This
would
be
appreciated.
That
would
mean
less
disturbance
for
your
neighbors.
I
got
a
hell
of
a
good
response
from
this
of
about
the
15
people
around
me,
there's
only
two
who
are
now
currently
doing
leaf
blowing
on
their
lawns.
M
I
appreciate-
and
this
is
the
time
when
the
leafs
will
start
to
fall
off,
so
I
think
common
sense
pop
public
policy
decisions
that
can
stay
ahead
of
this.
Can
we
can
make
take
precautions
ahead
of
the
and
it
is
the
community?
A
No,
I
I
thought
it
was
very
moving.
Thank
you,
mr
keating,
for
your
comments.
Any
questions
to
the
deputy.
A
No
okay.
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
keating
kathy
mcdonald,.
N
Yes,
I'm
speaking
now
is
that
is.
N
Okay,
thank
you.
So
I'm
speaking
today
on
behalf
of
the
toronto
noise
coalition
that
was
established
in
2016
to
help
provide
a
voice
for
residents
across
the
city
in
the
development
of
a
new
noise
bylaw.
N
During
our
our
work
with
the
development
of
the
new
noise
by
law,
the
coalition
tried
to
get
restrictions
on
the
use
of
the
stroke
garden
equipment,
but
failed
to
do
so.
N
A
Thank
you
very
much,
miss
mcdonald,
any
questions
for
the
deputies,
no
questions,
yeah,
no
questions!
Okay!
Great!
Thank
you
very
much,
ms
mcdonald.
Questions
for
staff.
A
I
do
not
see
you,
but
if
you
yes
there,
you
are
okay,
questions
for
staff.
J
It's
carlton
here,
I'm
not
sure
who
that's
directed
to.
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
that
either,
but
our
our
team
did,
as
you
know,
the
work
on
the
noise
by
a
lot,
but
I'm
not
an
expert
in.
J
No,
I
don't
I
have
mine
is
no.
I
have
a
mine's
battery
operated.
J
Sorry
there's,
mr
mr
baxter,
I
think
he's
trying
to
jump
in
and
answer
the
questions
with
yeah,
just
with
respect
to
two
versus
forward
stroke.
I
think
the
the
vast
majority,
if
not
all,
of
the
new
lawn
mowers,
the
new
gas
powered
lawnmowers
that
are
sold,
are
two
stroke
or
sorry,
a
four
stroke,
two
stroke
or
basically
eliminated
a
number
of
years
ago.
So
two-stroke
is
a
predominant
technology
in
in
galatores.
J
They
burn
gasoline
yep,
they
do.
Two-Stroke
engines
are
much
dirtier
you,
you
know,
you're
mixing
oil
with
the
gasoline
and
that
ends
up
in
the
exhaust.
So
so
gasoline
engines
are
better
from
an
environmental
perspective,
but
they're
still
burning
gasoline.
C
Right
and
what's
the
so
for
everyone
who
has
it,
who
has
lawn
equipment
that
uses
two
two-stroke
engine,
what
the
prac,
if
we
were
to
say
that
you
can't
use
them
anymore,
what's
their
solution.
J
J
C
Excluding
lawn
mowers
so
leaf
blowers
and
other
small,
you
know
lawn
maintenance,
equipment
and
other
equipment,
so
for
other,
like
leaf
blowers
and
such
things
like
that
and
other
sort
of
popular
equipment.
What
would
what
are
their
alternatives?.
C
J
J
Well,
I
think
what
would
happen
normally
is
if
you're
looking
to
buy
a
new
piece
of
equipment
or
replace
when
it
burns
out.
You
know,
I
think
we
would
hope
that
at
that
time
you
would
consider
going
the
lower
carbon
option.
J
Have
to
be,
you
have
to
be
aware
of
that,
but
I
think
that,
from
an
environmental
perspective,
the
city
council
approved
this
direction
to
go
carbon
by
2050.
So
I
think
all
right
at
some
point,
whether
it
you
know
each
individual
making
these
decisions
has
to
recognize
cities.
The
city's
objective
here.
A
That
was
your
last
question
you're
over
five
minutes,
any
other
questions
for
staff,
counselor
carol.
K
Is
it
crystal
clear
to
you
in
the
motion
that
that
what
is
being
asked
of
staff
is
not
only
to
look
at
the
the
the
harm
to
the
environment
of
the
two-stroke
engine,
but
to
look
at
the
existing
bands
across
a
hundred
cities
so
that
we
would
get
information
back
if
we
received
this
report
on
what
is
the
impact
of
full
ban,
but
also
looking
at
what
has
been
the
impact
of
those
areas
that
have
done
seasonal
bands
such
that
you
greatly
reduce
the
the
use
of
leaf
blowers
to
blow
everything.
K
K
And-
and
it's
it's
it's
also-
it
should
also
be
clear
that
that,
if
it
was
the,
if
it
was
the
the
the
outcome
for
staff
that
they
chose
to
to
suggest
a
ban
of
of
either
seasonal
or
year
round,
what
would
also
be
clear
is
there
would
be.
There
would
be
some
suggestion
as
to
how
we
do
that
someone
may
just
have
bought
one.
K
The
the
deputy
mayor
is
correct,
and
so,
generally
speaking,
when
we
ban
something
when
we
ban
pesticides,
for
instance,
we
had
a
a
phased
approach
which
would
allow
people
the
time
to
adapt
to
the
new
rules
to
to
deal
with
the
situation
such
that,
such
that
the
report
we're
requesting
might
include
alternatives.
K
Four-Stroke
engines,
which
are
much
cleaner,
the
many
cordless
electric
alternatives
that
are
the
same
price
and
much
cleaner,
not
quieter,
but
cleaner.
All
of
those
types
of
things
might
be
included
in
this
report
is.
Is
it
clear
that
that's
what
we're
looking
for
from
the
way
the
motion
is
crafted.
H
K
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
master.
Those
are
my
questions.
I'll
be
I
I
would
like
to
be
on
the
speakers
list.
A
J
A
And
could
we
grandfather
ownership?
In
other
words,
if
you
bought,
if
you
you
owned
it,
you
could
continue
to
use
it
up
to
a
certain
date
or
what
have
you
so
we
don't
penalize
people
who
just
ran
out
to
canadian
tire
to
buy
new
equipment
for.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
mr
chair.
What
is
is
really
shocking
to
me
is
the
number
of
people
that
have
community
communicated
back
to
us
and
the
number
of
actual
full
ratepayers
associations
and
and
in
fact,
the
very
the
particular
ratepayers
associations
that
have
communicated
a
lot
of
them
in
midtown
fontra
members.
K
At
that
time
there
weren't
a
lot
of
cities
that
had
done
a
ban
or
even
a
seasonal
ban
between
that
time
and
this
time
what
is
frustrating
is
that
the
use
of
two-stroke
engines
by
summer
companies
for
grass
clippings
not
leaves
when
that
grass
could
easily
be
left
on
the
lawn
and
is
in
fact
good
for
the
lawn
has
increased
hugely,
and
there
are
studies
that
indicate
that.
So
what's
the
problem
with
the
two-stroke
engine,
you
think
two-stroke
four-stroke
wouldn't
force
trophy
worse.
K
K
So
it
is,
it
is
way
dirtier
than
that
four-stroke
engine
and,
of
course,
sturdier
than
moving
to
to
cordless
battery-powered
and
electric
equipment.
K
K
K
But
what
I'm
asking
them
to
do
is
look
at
the
air
quality,
because
the
alternatives
do
make
noise
a
lot
of
the
electric
equipment.
Well,
while
lighter
in
weight,
still
makes
a
noise,
the
four-stroke
products
are
actually
quieter
and
cleaner.
There
are
a
lot
of
alternatives
in
the
same
price
range
and
often
cheaper
that
that
people
can
be
looking
at
many
have
already
converted
to
them.
K
K
There
is
out
there,
and
that
is
the
two-stroke
engine,
and
so
I
need
staff
to
look
at
the
updated
research
and
how
the
bands
that
have
been
introduced
in
a
hundred
cities
play
out
whether
seasonal
or
all
year
round
and
how
they
were
implemented.
Such
facts
as
that,
and
so
I
ask
that
this
committee
take
the
first
step
and
simply
get
that
report
back.
The
big
decision
is
not
before
us
today.
Thank
you.
A
A
Okay,
counselor
peruse
counselor
personnel.
Thank
you
very
much
for
all
this
advice.
Are
there
any
other
speakers
on
this
item.
A
B
Being
very
brief,
I
think
it's
about
time
we
looked
at
some
of
these
data
technologies
and
started
taking
them
out
of
service.
These
are
technologies
that
pollute
our
environment,
cause
public
health
issues
and,
as
we
heard,
are
a
menace
in
in
the
noise
they
create.
B
A
Thank
you
councillor
lane
for
that
very
brief
speech.
Council
call.
E
Yeah
again,
I
I
think
this
is
long
overdue
and
we're
just
asking
for
a
report
to
see
whether
we
can
get
some
definitive
information
about
that
two-stroke
engine
and
how
it
can
be
replaced
with
a
battery-operated,
blower
or
four-stroke,
and
and
it's
almost
it's
not
so
much
a
band.
It's
almost
a
alternative
way
of
dealing
with
your
leaves
and
grass
clippings
whatever
it
is,
and
you
know
the
thing
that
concerns
me
about
this.
E
These
leaf
blowers
is
that
you
know:
we've
had
the
summer
of
covid
where,
as
you
know,
construction
has
been
accelerated
to
where
they
can
start
constructing
at
six
in
the
morning
and
they
go
to.
I
don't
know
until
the
sunset,
so
this
has
been
a
very
noisy
summer.
Certainly
in
my
ward,
where
there
has
been
non-stop
dump
trucks,
deliveries,
banging
drilling
and
then
on
top
of
it,
you
throw
in
these
leaf
blowers.
E
You
know
you
can't
drive
down
briar
hill
without
seeing
about
50
white
vans.
All
parked
all
day,
long
on
our
side
streets,
because
every
second
house
is
being
torn
down,
topped
up
shored
up,
and
so
you
add
on
all
this
construction
plus
these
extremely
disruptive
machines.
So
it
really
does
impact
one's
quality
of
life.
I
think,
and
so
we've
got
to
find
a
better
way
of
dealing
with
leaves
and
grass
clippings
and
we
don't
need
to.
E
You
know,
use
these
extremely
disruptive
machines
and
I
think,
there's
value
in
finding
alternatives
and
weaning
people
off
these
noise
makers
into
something
more
reasonable.
I
know
when
we
banned
pesticide
use
in
our
front
lawns.
Many
people
in
the
industry
were
really
upset
about
this.
They
said.
Well,
you
know
we
won't
be
able
to
the
landscaping.
Business
will
be
destroyed.
E
Well,
I
think
the
landscaping
business
is
one
of
the
most
viable
business
still
thriving
in
toronto,
and
you
know
the
bottom
line
is
the
operators
of
the
these
landscaping
companies
who
were
using
the
pesticides
on
a
daily
basis?
I
think,
are
much
healthier
now
because
they're
not
using
pesticides,
just
as
if
they
weren't
using
these
two-stroke
engines.
E
A
Great,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Councilor
cole,
any
other
speakers
to
this
item.
Yes,
deputy
mayor
wong,.
C
Yeah
I'll
just
speak
briefly,
mr
chair,
I
I
can't
but
recognize
the
fact
that
the
nanny
state
is
alive
and
well
in
the
city
of
toronto.
C
First,
it
was
the
banning
of
cosmetic
pesticides
when
we,
when
the
science
showed
that
the
real
culprit
was
agricultural
pesticides,
but
we
never
recognized
that,
then
you
can't
even
wash
your
car
in
your
driveway
now
yeah
in
the
city
of
toronto
and
I'll,
you
know
even
with
the
car,
even
with
the
cosmetic
pesticides.
C
What
we
see
is
the
total
destruction
of
of
our
parks
where
weeds
have
taken
over,
and
you
see
that
all
across
the
lawns
in
the
city
of
toronto,
and
here
we
are
again
trying
to
over,
regulate
and
and
tell
people
what
to
do,
and
I
just
think
that
you
know
we
should.
C
We
should
leave
this
alone.
We
shouldn't
be
trying
to
over
regulate
in
the
city
of
toronto.
I
you
know-
and
you
know
that
and
if
we
decide
to
move
forward
with
this,
you
know
just
some
real
practical
matters,
which
you
know.
People
don't
seem
to
even
want
to
think
about.
How
much
is
this
going
to
cost
a
family
who
you
know
who
wants
to
take?
C
You
know,
as
opposed
to
you,
know
preaching
and
hectoring
to
people
what
they
should
and
shouldn't
be
doing.
That's
that's
the
approach
that
the
city
should
be
taking
not
just
spending
all
our
time,
telling
them
what
they
can
and
can't
do.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
A
Thank
you,
mr
deputy
mayor.
Are
there
any
other
speakers
on
the
item?
Okay,
okay.
Is
that
it
for
speakers.
A
A
The
item
is
before
us:
it
originated
as
a
member's
motion.
It
did
not
approve,
it
did
not
waive
referral
at
a
council.
It's
a
report
request
all
those
all
this
in
favor.
A
So
I'm
just
giving
a
little
history.
It
came
as
originally
as
a
member's
motion
to
counsel
did
not
get
the
votes
to
waive
referral.
It's
now
committee
we've
debated
it
and
now
we're
sending
it
off
to
staff
for
a
report
yeah
all
those
in
favor
posed
hose
that
is
carried
we're
on
to
oh
well,
we
did
hold
item
four
down
yeah
we
can
do.
We
can
go
back
to
item
four
and
also
is
it
the
will
of
committee
to
extend
and
work
work
to
finish?
A
Yes,
yeah,
all
those
all
those
in
favor
of
extending
to
finish
the
agenda.
What
was
the
favorite
pose?
That
is
carried,
so
if
you
want
to
go
back
to
number
item
number
four,
I
believe
we
were
waiting
for
a
motion
from
councillor
layton,
which
has
been
circulated.
B
We
may
want
to
mr
chair.
We
may
want
to
give
committing
them
for
some
time
as
if
it's
somewhat
lengthy
and
I,
if,
if
there
are
other
items,
maybe.
B
K
B
By
staff
and
our
legal
department,
I
would
want
to
walk
us
through
it
mike,
I'm
sure,
that's
no
problem.
If
it's
the
will
of
the
of
the
chair.
A
Yeah,
so
if
we're
going
to
do
the
item,
then
if
you
want
to
walk
it
through,
if
counselors
would
like
a
little
more
time
to
digest
that,
we
can
hold
it
down
a
second
time
and
finish
up
a
bike
share,
which
is
the
last
item
on
the
agenda?
A
Okay,
let's
constantly,
let's
just
hold
the
item
down
again
the
the
motion's
been
circulated.
Counselors
can
can
take
a
look
at
it.
Then,
when
you
speak
to
it
you
can
you
can
certainly
explain
it
and
go
through
it.
A
Okay,
so
just
to
make
it
clear,
kevin
ruspingo
from
cycle
toronto,
you
are
oh
he's
coming
on,
okay,
kevin.
Can
you
hear
us.
A
Okay,
great
thanks
for
joining
us.
You
have
five
minutes.
J
Thanks
for
thanks
for
having
me
today
and
thanks
to
the
chair
for
bringing
this
motion
forward,
I
think
it's
a
very
exciting
opportunity
here
to
expand
and
improve
the
bike
share
toronto
network
in
toronto.
I
think
we're
at
cycle
toronto.
Very
supportive
of
the
request
for
these
improvements
to
be
reported
back
on
the
opportunity
to
extend
the
rental
duration
is,
I
think,
very
timely.
The
expansions
that
bike
share
has
experienced
recently
have
been
phenomenal.
I
think
the
200
square
kilometers
that
now
are
covered.
J
It's
very
clear.
I
think
the
30
minutes
that's
currently
available
for
riding
is
inadequate.
I
think,
to
cover
even
a
fair
size
of
the
network.
Further,
as
we've
now
moved
into
the
suburbs
and
north
of
scarborough,
where
destinations
might
be
spread
out,
more
or
stations
may
also
be
further
apart.
It's
forgive
me.
J
I
think
someone
might
have
been
using
a
leaf
blower
outside
my
house,
as
we're
now
in
suburbs,
in
north
york
and
scarborough
destinations
might
be
spread
out
more
and
therefore
it
means
people
take
longer
to
ride
to
where
they
need
to.
So
I
think,
having
an
opportunity
to
look
at
45
minutes
or
even
longer,
so
that
folks
can
get
to
where
they're
going
and
spend
more
time
enjoying
the
bikes
is
a
good
it's
a
good
opportunity
and
something
we
should
look
at
exploring
brother.
J
J
You
maintain
physical
distance
and
introducing
a
low-income,
barrier-free
pass
as
a
lot
of
other
bike
share
networks
in
other
parts
of
the
continent
have
done
is
a
great
way
to
make
this
public
resource
this
public
transportation
network
more
accessible
for
folks
that
may
not
be
able
to
afford
monthly
passes
for
ttc
on
top
of
getting
an
annual
bike
share
pass,
or
maybe
the
cost
of
purchasing
their
own
bicycle
is
also
too
great.
J
And
lastly,
I
think
we'd,
like
to
ski
the
bike,
share
stations
aligned
with
new
cycling
infrastructure,
particularly
our
on-road
bike
lanes
this
year,
we've
seen
a
historic
rollout
of
new
cycling
infrastructure
in
all
parts
of
the
city,
and
it
would
be
great
if,
in
addition
to
these
on-road
bike
lanes,
which
are
the
key
to
getting
people
to
ride
because
they
need
to
feel
safe,
it's
also
important
that
we
give
people
access
to
bicycles
to
to
get
around
so
cycle.
Toronto
is
very
supportive
of
this.
J
I
think
this
lines
up
with
many
of
the
console
goals
that
you
have
around
climate
action
with
transformatio
with
road
safety
around
vision,
zero
with
you
know
our
rollout
of
the
cycling
network
plan.
Our
goal
is
to
manage
congestion
and-
and
it
makes
the
system
this
public
system
more
accessible
to
residents
of
toronto.
It's
more
equitable
and
ultimately
it'll
be
more
successful.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
A
No
any
questions
for
staff.
A
Yes,
councillor
ainsley,
I
see
and
did
I
hear
deputy
mayor
meno.
A
J
Thank
you
through
your
jar
of
stuff
I
did.
I
did
want
to
ask
about
the
current
30
minute
limit
that
people
followed
when
they're
using
the
bike
share.
Can
you
explain
how
that
was
established
or
determined?
It
am
I
understanding
it's
a
city-wide
30-minute
limit,
regardless
of
where
the
bike
stations
are
that
you're.
J
J
Yes,
this
is
shawn
waldrake,
I'm
the
manager
of
bikeshare
counselor.
This
30
minutes
was
established
worldwide
as
a
threshold
to
encourage
sharing
and
returning
of
the
bikes.
This
is
something
that
we
adopted
over
10
years
ago
and
so
far
the
numbers,
the
average
length
of
trip,
has
consistently
been
quite
short
for
our
annual
members,
usually
around
15
minutes
and
we've
been
monitoring.
The
pilot
areas
see
if
travel
times
are
approaching
over
30
minutes
or
close
to
30
minutes,
and
if
they
are
then
we're.
J
That's
why
it's
a
pilot
we're
considering
changing
the
time
in
the
future
to
accommodate
people's
longer
trips,
okay
and
sean.
If
I
was
that,
so,
if
I
got
a
bike
bike
share
at
city
hall,
where
would
the
next
closest
bike
share
station
be
from
city
hall,
for
example,
there's
two
stations,
one
on
bay
street
and
one
on
queen
street
right
beside
city
hall,
there's
another
one,
just
behind
so
they're
in
the
downtown
core.
J
There's,
usually
a
bike
share
station
less
than
200
meters
from
you,
okay
and
then
in
my
ward,
in
we're
24
in
southeast
corner
of
scarborough.
How
long
is
the
distance
between
stations.
J
J
Okay,
all
right,
thank
you
and
then,
when
it
comes
to
the
the
second
part
of
the
chair,
pastor
max
request
around
the
fee,
I
have
five
priority.
Neighborhoods
in
my
ward,
where
the
part
of
the
pilots
project
is
running
in
scarborough,
it's,
my
understanding
is
as
well
as
the
standard
fee
across
the
city,
regardless
of
where
your
bike
station
is.
J
Yes,
that's
true,
and
we
have
been
looking
at
the
this
option
for
low
income
or
people
who
an
equity
program
for
a
number
of
years.
We've
been
working
with
councillor
thompson
committee
as
well
as
other
groups,
and
we
have
not
set
a
discount,
but
when
we
report
back,
we
will
we'll
look
at
that.
The
part
of
the
issue
around
this
is
determining
who
should
actually
get
the
discount
and
how
it
should
be
determined.
A
Thank
you,
counselor
ainsley,
any
other
questions
for
staff.
J
J
I
don't
have
this
year's
shortfall,
but
it
is
going
to
be
similar
to
last
year's.
J
It
was
close
to
it
was
over
a
million
dollars.
J
The
system
is
very
much
like
public
transit
and,
if
you
as
a
cost
recovery
system,
you
would
be
eliminating
a
lot
of
people
in
the
system.
If
you
raise
the
rates
too
high
or
currently,
we
are
looking
to
engage,
of
course,
a
sponsor
or
advertiser
to
cover
that
shortfall,
as
as
councils
direct,
it.
J
C
I
see,
do
you
think
bike
share
should
break
even.
J
I
think
it's
a
service,
that's
supporting
active
transportation
in
the
city.
C
J
H
J
It
could
that's
what
we're
looking
at.
There
may
be
room
to
limit
it
like,
for
example,
currently
we're
offering
a
subsidy
to
frontline
healthcare
workers
are
offering
a
discount
membership
to
people.
They
look
at
sick,
kids
or
toronto
general,
and
it
hasn't
negatively
impact
our
revenue
overall,
and
so
the
program
should
be
designed
in
which
the
people
who
really
need
that
subsidy
actually
are
getting
it
versus
someone
who
maybe
just
wants
a
discount.
A
A
And
would
it
be
correct
to
assume
that
some
of
the
distances
in
the
inner
suburbs,
as
we
expand,
are
between
docking
stations
or
between
high-level
transit?
The
distances
are
much
longer
and
people
may
need
more
time
to
to
keep
within
their
sort
of
allotted
overcharge
threshold
below
the
overhead.
Yes,.
J
Yes,
counselor,
that's
true,
we
I
have
been
monitoring
the,
for
example,
what's
been
going
on
in
york
university
station,
that
said
sentinel
road
and
there
hasn't
been
a
behavior
pattern
that
is
very
different
from
say
someone
using
it
in
the
waterfront
trail
in
the
central
area,
people
seem
to
be
making
around
a
30-minute
trip.
A
So
when
it
comes
to
city
services-
and
I'm
not
sure
who
wants
to
answer
this,
but
I've
never
really
seen
any
divisions
make
make
money
our
libraries,
our
swimming
pools,
splash
pads
our
recreation,
centers
they're,
not
they're,
not
profit
centers.
Do
you
think
it's
somewhat
unfair
that
we
would
expect
bike
share,
which
is
a
a
city
service
as
part
of
the
shared
economy,
to
turn
a
profit
where
we
don't
expect
any
other
city
services
really
with
the
exception,
maybe
a
planning
to
to
turn
a
profit.
J
A
Okay,
all
right,
those
are
my
questions,
any
other
questions.
If
not,
we
can
go
to
speakers.
Anyone
like
to
speak
on
the
issue.
Counselor
ainsley.
J
Thank
you
through
you
to
the
chair,
I'm
I'm
here
as
an
outside
committee,
member
of
my
ward's
in
the
southeast
corner
of
scarborough
ward
24.
As
you
heard
in
my
questioning
I
I
do
have
a
pilot
project
in
in
my
word,
along
with
councillor
mckelvey's
word
who's
beside
me.
It's
something
that
my
residents
have
been
asking
for
for
a
long
time
and
we
have
it
there
it's
being
well
used.
One
of
the
chief
concerns,
though,
has
been
the
distance
between
stations,
as
you
heard,
from
my
questioning
of
staff.
J
For
example,
if
you
use
a
bike
share
station
at
toronto
city
hall,
there's
two
within
less
than
a
one
minute
walking
distance
of
each
other.
If
you
want
to
get
a
bike
and
use
the
bike
share
program
in
downtown
toronto,
I
have
five
stations
currently
in
my
own
ward:
they're,
almost
a
10
to
15
minute
ride
between
stations.
J
So
when
you're
looking
at
a
bike
share,
when
you
need
a
half
hour
to
get
it
to
your
destination
shop,
you
know
run
errands
and
then
get
it
back
to
a
station.
That's
very
difficult!
Within
that
30-minute
timeline
in
eastern
scarboro.
J
I
also
have
five
of
our
neighborhood
improvement
areas
in
my
ward,
so
I'm
very
supportive
of
the
second
recommendation
and
they're
asking
for
report
back
on
variable
fees.
That
can
be
that
people
can
make
use
of
whether
they're
in
downtown
toronto
anywhere
throughout
the
city
of
toronto.
But
I
think
when
I
you
have
five
neighborhood
improvement
areas
as
I
do.
Those
people
would
like
to
make
use
of
the
program.
J
You
can
look
at
stats
in
the
in
the
scarborough
area,
where
public
people
using
public
transit,
60
of
ridership
stays
within
the
city
within
the
scarborough
area,
and
I
think
that
you'll
see
very
similar
stats
when
you
look
at
the
bike
share
program,
even
when
it's
out
of
the
pilot
program
in
a
full
stage
or
fully
utilized
program
in
scarborough,
so
I'm
very
supportive.
I
think
the
timelines
need
to
be
extended.
J
Even
if
staff
come
back
at
a
report
and
say
you
know,
the
30
minutes
works
in
the
downtown
core,
but
in
the
suburbs
of
scarborough
north
york
etobicoke
a
45-minute
timeline
would
work
much
better.
So
I'm
fully
supportive
and
I
want
to
thank
councilor
pasternak
for
bringing
this
forward.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Councilor
ainsley
councilor
cole.
You
you
mentioned
earlier
that
you
wanted
to
speak
on
the
site.
E
A
E
Okay,
councilman
briefly
yeah.
No,
I'm
totally
supportive
of
this
positive
initiative
in
terms
of
bike
share,
and
I
think
you
know
just
noticing
you
know
everywhere
I
go.
I
I
see
more
and
more
people
availing
themselves
a
bike
share,
it's
very
encouraging
to
see
that
it's
become
so
widespread
and
I
think
it's
a
growing
initiative
and
it's
very
needed
given.
The
fact
is
that
people
now
want
exercise
they
want
to
get
around
the
city,
they
don't
want
to
maybe
go
on
transit,
but
the
crowds
etc.
E
E
Your
motion,
mr
chairman,
is
that,
as
a
result
of
kovid,
there
have
been
many
subcommittees
at
city
council
we've
been
working
on
different
initiatives
and
one
of
the
initiatives
that
myself
and
the
deputy
mayor
thompson
working
on
is
a
program
called
bikes
for
all
whereby
it
was
a
motion
passed
by
council,
where
we
would
try
and
get
cycling
bicycles
into
communities
where
perhaps
they
couldn't
afford
to
get
a
bicycle.
E
They
may
had
four
or
five
kids
and
they
could
only
afford
a
bicycle
for
one
child
and
not
the
others,
so
to
make
bikes
available
through
donations
to
the
toronto
partnership
and
also
by
using
bike
share
where
we
could
also
get
the
affinity
pass
used
for
people
who
might
be
able
to
avail
themselves
of
the
bike
share
program
through
support
from
the
city.
E
So
we're
in
the
final
stages
of
releasing
this
with
councillor
thompson,
myself
and
manjeet
from
toronto
partnership,
and
one
of
the
ideas
that
dovetails
with
what
this
motion
is
about
is
a
very
exciting
proposal.
We're
going
to
be
coming
forward
with
called
biketo,
which
is
going
to
create
bike
libraries
in
toronto.
E
So
that
is
our
goal,
as
we
hope
to
announce
in
the
next
month
or
so.
We'll
have
bike
libraries
where
just
like,
when
you
go
take
out
a
book
you'll,
be
able
to
take
out
a
bicycle
with
your
library
card,
so
that
these
bike
libraries,
hopefully
will
be
available
throughout
the
city.
We're
also
lining
up
some
corporate
donations
whereby
they
will
perhaps
contribute
to
the
city
as
part
of
this
covet
relief
to
make
bikes
available
for
the
citizens
of
toronto.
E
Who
may
not
be
able
to
afford
a
bicycle
and,
as
you
know,
the
big
challenge
we
have
right
now
is
you
can't
buy
a
bicycle
in
toronto?
I
mean
the
they're
almost
impossible
to
find
they're
getting
very
expensive,
and
I
would
hope
that
we
can
do
something
about
that.
Maybe
we
can
get
ccm
back
here
and
raleigh
back
making
canadian
bikes,
and
so
that
would
be
very
interesting,
but
right
now
the
biggest
challenge
we
have
is
trying
to
find
bicycles.
We
also
part
of
bike
to.
We
are
going
to
be
refurbishing
bikes.
E
As
you
know,
in
many
of
the
apartment
buildings,
condo
buildings,
all
the
city,
there's
thousands
of
bikes
sitting
in
parking
garages
that
need
to
be
rehabilitated,
and
I
know
we
have
a
pilot
project
going
right
now
to
rehabilitate
repair
bikes,
but
we're
also
going
to
be
reaching
out
to
apartment
owners
and
condo
boards
to
give
us
their
bikes
and
we'll
repair
them
and
make
them
available
to
children
and
others
who
cannot
afford
so
anyways.
I
just
wanted
to
update
the
committee
on
this
exciting
initiative.
It's
now
going
to
be
called
bike,
t.o
moving
together.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
counselor
cool,
any
other
speakers.
C
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
used
to
sit
in
your
chair
about
eight
years
ago.
I
was
chair
of
the
public
works
and
infrastructure
committee,
and
you
know
back
then.
Mr
chair,
the
bike
share
program
was
called
the
bixi
bike
share
program
and
we
contracted
with
a
with
a
kind
of
rather
dodgy
company
from
montreal.
C
The
city
did
and
dixie
was
going
to
go
bankrupt
because
we
couldn't
afford
the
program
and
back
then
it
looked
pretty
desperate
and
dire,
and
I'm
not
saying
it
was
easy,
but
we
were
able
to
find
a
way
to
pay
for
the
capital
and
operating
costs
through
some
creative
creative
financing
mechanisms
and
by
finding
a
proper
sponsor.
C
C
So
I
think,
mr,
mr
chairman,
we
should
kind
of
rein
ourselves
in
on
expansion
programs
and
we
should
go
back
to
our
staff
and
say
figure
out
a
way
how
this
can
balance
out
that
you
can
work
in
a
business-like
way,
so
that
you
know
who
I
I
don't
want
to
make
money
on
it.
But
I
don't
want
to
lose
money
on
it
and
there's
fundamentally
examples
on
how
you
can
do
that
and
instead
of
just
surrendering
and
say
we're
going
to
hemorrhage
money
like
the
ttc
hemorrhages
money,
I
don't
buy
it.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
thank
you
deputy
mayor.
You
know
wong
any
other
speakers
on
the
item,
since
it
was
my
motion.
I
just
should
share
share
a
couple
of
words
that
I
wanted
to
thank
the
leadership
of
bikeshare
and,
of
course,
cycle
toronto
for
their
support
on
this.
It
has
come
up
to
york,
center
ward,
six
and
it's
been
extremely
successful.
A
A
Is
I
I'm
under
the
understanding
it's
one
of
the
busiest
docking
stations
in
the
city,
but
you
know
to
to
keep
a
program
successful
and
to
make
sure
we
we
minimize
losses.
We
have
to
reinvent
it
and
re-energize
it
and
refresh
it
and
and
create
new
opportunities
and
incentives
for
people
to
use
it
and
giving
them
more
time
to
avoid
the
overcharge
threshold
is
an
incentive
to
use
it
looking
very
closely
at
how
we
can
expand
discounted
bikes
throughout
the
city
to
marginalize
communities.
A
I
think
that's
worth
getting
some
feedback
from
staff
and,
of
course,
because
we
want
to
align
the
usage
of
bikes
bike
share
and
our
regularly
cycling
infrastructure.
I
think
it's
important
when
we
think
of
locations
of
bike
share.
We
should
also
be
thinking
and
aligning
them
with
our
active
to
bike
lanes.
This
is
simply
a
report
from
city
staff
to
take
a
look
at
this
infrastructure
to
take
a
look
at
this
program
and
come
back
with
any
improvements.
A
If
you
let
a
city
program,
just
wilt
on
the
vine
and
you
never
take
another
look
at
it
and
and
try
and
refresh
it
and
and
reinvest
in
it,
it
withers
and-
and
what
we
don't
want
here
is-
is
something
that
just
gets
stale
and
and
board
and
we
alienate
our
users.
A
So
I
think
this
is
an
opportunity
to
do
that.
I
know
that
councilor
bradford
was
also
very
plugged
into
this,
and
I
want
to
thank
him
for
his
advocacy
over
over
the
past
year
as
well
for
revitalizing
the
the
bike
share
program.
So
with
that
I
would.
I
would
simply
ask
for
your
support
for
city
staff
to
take
a
look
at
this.
A
I
know
some
work
was
done
on
it
a
little
over
a
year
ago
and
it's
it's
time
for
for
another
look
and
a
refresh,
because
unless
we
look
at
our
city
programs
on
a
regular
basis,
they
won't
function
the
way
that
we
want
them
to.
A
So
those
are
my
remarks.
Any
other
comments.
A
No
okay,
the
item
before
us
all,
those
in
favor.
A
Now
has
everyone
had
a
look
at
counselor
layton's
motion
regarding
our
item
number
four
transition
of
toronto's
blue
box
program.
B
I'm
happy
to
talk
people
through
it,
just
very
briefly,
if
that,
if
it's
the
pleasure
of
her
committee.
B
I'll
I'll,
first
I'll,
first
just
thank
councillor
mckelvey
and
our
solid
waste
management
team,
as
well
as
the
clerk
and
and
scott
pasternak,
our
legal
counsel
on
the
committee
and
just
for
their
help
with
this
to
in
doing
this
really
quickly.
So
if
it's
not
perfect,
I'm
not
going
to
take
offense.
B
If
you
disagree
with
the
very
premise,
I
may
challenge
you
on
it,
but
that's
fine,
so
recommendation
one
speaks
to
the
need
for
the
city
to
have
some
advanced
knowledge
of
the
draft
regulations.
I
don't
think
it's
much
to
ask
for
at
least
five
business
days
in
advance
of
the
wider
public
consultation
for
this
five
business
days
is,
is
what
staff
had
suggested
to
me?
We're
only
gonna
have
30
days
to
comment
on
this.
B
If
it's
posted
for
the
minimum
amount
of
time,
I
sure
hope
it
isn't,
but
it
could
be
very
limited
the
amount
of
time
we
have
reviewed
this
and
bring
something
to
counsel.
If
we
only
have
30
days,
which
is
a
huge
problem,
so
that's
number
one.
It
just
also
speaks
to
why
we
need
a
little
bit
more
time.
B
B
I
don't
think
that
that
comes
as
a
surprise
that
we
would
like
it
to
have
some
goals
and
targets
that
the
policy
tools
and
incentives
be
there
to
promote
the
use
of
more
recycled
content
and
products
and
packaging,
including
incentives
to
redesign
products
and
packaging,
see
that
the
epr
regulations
not
allow
for
recycled
content
to
offset
the
recovery
targets,
and
the
producers
are
required
to
report
on
sub-categories
of
material
d,
that
the
eligible
sources
include
all
multi-net
residential
dwellings
in
ontario
during
transition,
commercial
and
municipal
buildings,
including
parks
parks
and
public
spaces.
B
Schools,
municipal
operated
facilities
such
as
community
centers
and
arenas,
and
include
packaging
and
packaging
like
products
recovered
from
the
waste
stream.
So
this
is
ensuring
that
the
people
that
are
producing
it,
the
whole
intent
of
bpr,
is
extended
to
all
pieces
of
all
parts
of
municipal
collection
and
that
we're
not
really
holding
the
bag
on
it.
In
the
end
d,
that
eligible
sources
include
all
multi-unit
residential
dwellings
in
ontario
during
transition.
B
Finally,
number
three
or
not
finally,
but
number
three
city
council
requests
the
city
manager,
mayor
and
general
manager
of
solid
waste
management
to
communicate
to
the
minister
of
the
environment,
to
protect
the
deposit
return
system
and
explore
ex
expanding
deposit
return
as
much
as
a
means
of
increasing
recycling
rates,
and
this
is
to
acknowledge
that
we
know
deposit
return
is
in
fact
the
most
effective
way
of
reducing
the
amount
of
resources
needed
and
four
that
city
council
request
that
the
general
manager
of
solid
wage
management
provide
all
members
of
council
communications
material
to
share
on
potential
and
proposed
changes
to
the
blue
box
program
as
a
result
of
proposed
extended
producer
responsibility
regulations.
B
This
is
just
acknowledging
that
a
lot
of
our
offices
may
want
to
communicate
what
these
proposed
changes
are
to
our
constituents,
and
it
would
be
really
helpful
if
we
had
some
of
those
snazzy
infographics
from
our
folks
at
solid,
solid
waste
management
who,
I
believe,
actually
do
quite
an
effective
job
at
communicating
messages
out
to
the
public.
So
that's
the
motion.
I
I'm
happy
to
table
it
now
and
again.
My
thanks
to
councilman,
kelvin
and
others
who
contributed
at
this
late
notice.
A
Thank
you,
oh
not
so
fast,
not
so
fast.
Any
questions
for
the
mover.
A
All
right:
well,
I
guess
we
can
get
this
through
committee
and
if,
if
this
in
the
interim,
I
guess
this
will
be
dissected
a
little
more
closely
on
route
to
council
and.
E
B
B
A
Mover
now
I
appreciate
your
honesty
all
right.
Okay,
any
other
speakers.
If
not,
I
guess
we'll
put
this
to
a
boat
and
let
council
sort
it
out.
A
A
I
I
see
most
hands
going
up,
okay
and
the
item
is
amended
all
those
in
favor.
A
That
is
but
is
approved,
so
we
have
no.
Instead
of
order.
I'm
sorry
we
are
not
finished
yet.
I
I
appreciate
your
enthusiasm
to
leave.
There's
one
other
item.
It
is
counselor
counselor
calls
item.
A
Oh,
I
do
apologize.
Yes,
we
do
have
one
item
in
between
item
10
service
line
warranties
and
we
have
a
deputant
on
the
line.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
You
have
five
minutes.
M
Okay,
good
afternoon,
council
members,
my
name
is
jeff
olson,
I'm
the
general
manager
for
service
minorities
of
canada.
On
behalf
of
our
firm,
I
wanted
to
thank
you
all
for
the
opportunity
to
address
this
committee
today
and
to
thank
the
chairman
for
bringing
forward
this
motion.
I've
provided
supplementary
materials,
which
should
serve
as
a
guided
overview
of
our
company,
our
experience
and
how
our
program
can
be
of
substantial
benefit
to
the
homeowners
in
the
city
of
toronto.
M
Service.
Sign
warranties
of
canada
is
a
subsidiary
of
home
served
plc
homestead
was
founded
in
1993
in
the
united
kingdom
and
has
grown
to
a
market
cap
size
of
over
two
billion
dollars.
We
are
the
largest
international
service
provider
for
service
line,
warranty
programs
and
currently
operate
these
programs
in
canada,
the
united
states,
the
united
kingdom,
france,
spain
and
japan.
M
Many
homeowners
do
not
realize
that
they
are
responsible
for
the
private
side
of
their
service
lines,
extending
from
the
public
infrastructure
to
their
homes,
the
cost
of
repair
and
the
replacement
of
those
service
lines
can
be
extremely
expensive.
Most
homeowner
insurance
policies
do
not
cover
or
do
not
contain
coverage.
I'm
sorry
for
these
service
lines
should
they
fail
service
line
warranty.
Canada
provides
an
optional
warranty
program
for
residents
to
mitigate
this
risk
through
our
north
american
business.
We
currently
operate
service
line,
warranty
partnerships
with
over
900
municipalities
and
utilities.
M
M
There
is
no
cost
to
the
city
of
toronto
to
offer
this
optional
program
to
your
constituents.
There's
also
an
optional
revenue
component
available
to
the
city.
Most
of
our
ontario
municipal
partners
have
opted
to
take
a
royalty
from
us.
However,
it
can
also
be
applied
as
a
discount
to
the
homeowner
premium.
M
As
of
today,
we
have
partnerships
with
over
60
flora
with
64
ontario
municipalities,
including
the
region
appeal
utilities,
kingston
and
the
cities
of
hamilton
ottawa
and
windsor.
Additionally,
we
have
strategic
corporate
partnerships
with
the
association
of
municipalities
of
ontario
and
the
federation
of
canadian
municipalities.
M
M
Again,
this
service
line
warranty
program
is
optional
for
toronto.
Homeowners,
we
offer
coverage
for
the
private
water
service
line,
the
sewer,
lateral
and
the
interior,
plumbing
and
drainage
in
the
home.
Each
product
can
be
purchased
together
or
separately,
with
monthly
costs,
ranging
from
five
to
twenty
dollars,
depending
on
the
coverage
selected
by
the
homeowner,
all
components
of
the
program
are
administered
by
service
line,
warranties
of
canada,
including
the
marketing
enrollment,
the
billing
and
the
claims.
M
M
This
is
a
program
that
can
mitigate
the
significant
financial
risk
of
these
service
line
failures,
vulnerable
homeowners
in
your
communities,
especially
seniors,
fixed
income
and
or
those
who
reside
in
older
homes
with
aged
pipe,
are
especially
at
risk.
A
service
line
warranty
partnership
with
service
line
warranty
of
canada,
will
allow
the
city
of
toronto
to
offer
an
optional
risk
mitigation
program
for
your
constituents
without
capital
investment
or
administrative
cost.
A
A
Opposed
that
is
carried
okay.
Now
we
can
go
back.
No,
we
can
look
at
the
final
item.
Item
11
counselor
call
questions
for
staff.
G
Through
this
chair,
we
did
get
the
motion
very
briefly.
We
took
we
took
a
look
at
it.
Yes,
before
it
came
to
committee.
C
N
Through
the
chair,
the
limits
of
the
the
of
the
potential
change
would
need
to
be
reviewed
as
part
of
a
feasibility
analysis,
but
yes,
the
whatever
the
limits
are.
It
would
involve
removing
one
lane
of
traffic
in
each
direction.
N
There
are
two
lanes
in
each
direction.
Some
intersections
do
have
auxiliary
turn
lanes
as
well.
C
I
see
so-
and
this
is
a
main
artery
to
get
in
and
out
of
the
downtown.
Is
that
correct.
N
Young
street
does
function
as
an
arterial
road.
Some
sections
of
young
street
carry
higher
volumes
of
traffic
than
others.
It's
something
we'd
have
to
review
in
detail
before
proposing
any
change.
C
And
you
know
the
young
line
that
closes
on
a
regular
basis
and
runs
buses.
Is
that
fair
to
say.
N
Yes,
it
does.
The
the
young
line
has
shuttle
buses
overnight
and
when
they're
either
planned
or
emergency
closures,
ttc
runs
surface
transit,
buses
on
young
street.
N
A
Thank
you,
mr
deputies,
deputy
mayor,
yes,
counselor,
peruse
the
questions
for
staff.
C
A
Yeah,
so
if
it's
okay,
I'll
just
put
my
amendments
on
the.
A
Okay,
there
we
go
so
what
I've
done
is
in
respect
for
the
local
counselor,
and
I
realized
when
I
first
saw
his
his
motion.
It
was
problematic
because
I
I
would
not
favor
taking
out
lanes
in
that
in
that
stretch
and-
and
we
already
have
two
two
processes
going
on-
reimagine,
young
and
young
tomorrow.
A
A
My
my
my
amendments
do
not
support
an
immediate
action
by
staff
to
approve
it
which
can't
be
done
anyway,
but
it
it
softens
up
the
the
motion
and
allow
and
ask
staff
to
take
a
look
at
it.
A
C
Yeah
I
I
appreciate
miss
chair.
I
appreciate
your
efforts,
I'm
not
gonna.
I
will
support
the
amendments.
I
won't
support
the
motion.
I
I
think
we've
moved
far
too
fast.
The
people
that
I've
heard
from
are
are,
you
know
dramatically
opposed
to
initiatives
like
this
congestion
and
gridlock
are
getting
worse
in
the
city
of
toronto.
There
has
been
some
come
back
in
terms
of
the
traffic,
and
it's
just
you
know.
C
It
just
makes
matters
worth
worse
in
the
city
and
now
we're
adding
on
a
you
know,
walking
on
the
committee
a
new,
a
new
street
young
street,
which
is
an
important
arterial
road
and
also
which
is
one
of
the
main
roads.
That's
used
for
you
know
for
the
young
line,
which
is
the
critical,
which
is
the
most
critical
line
in
our
city
and
when
it
breaks
down
and
it
breaks
down
a
lot
it'll
be
it'll
it'll,
be
havoc
for
transit
unit
users
and
car
users
alike.
I
don't
think
this
is.
C
I
think
we
should
take
a
breath
to
say
the
least
in
terms
of
what
we've
done
so
far,
and
we
shouldn't
move
forward
with
this.
With
with
this
particular.
A
B
Yes,
thank
you
very
much
I'll,
be
supporting
the
item,
I'll
I'll
support
it
without
the
amendments,
but
part
of
that
is
we.
We
have
left
a
significant
gap
in
our
in
our
cycling
grid
in
the
city
of
toronto,
particularly
going
from
north
to
south,
and
that
gap
has
been
identified
by
by
by
users.
It's
I,
I
suspect
we
will
be
able
to
see
it
by
reflecting
it
in
in
data,
but
we
left
this
gap
and
and
it's
our
duty
to
build
other
safe
infrastructure
out
on
our
streets.
B
We
see
globally
cities
doing
this
and
we
made
some
big
steps
and
kudos
to
staff
for
moving
heaven
and
earth
in
in
the
last
couple
of
months
to
get
these
these.
These
lanes
built
that
weren't
in
the
capital
plan
eight
months
ago,
and
I
I
know
that
this
is
a
tall
order
to
ask
of
of
staff
putting
it
into
the
2021
budget,
but
I
think
it's
time
we
start
looking
at
the
resources
that
we're
assigning
to
making
these
21st
century
improvements
to
our
transportation
system.
B
You
know
we're
never
going
to
meet
our
climate
goals,
never
going
to
meet
our
climate
goals.
If
we
don't
build
out
a
minimum
grid
of
cycling
lanes,
we
have
a
target
to
reduce
the
number
of
trips
being
taken
from
autumn,
the
short
trips
being
taken
from
autumn
automobiles
down
dramatically.
We
are
not
going
to
do
that
unless
we
build
safe
infrastructure
and
the
the
the
adage,
the
the
kevin
costner
adage,
if
you
build
it,
they
will
come
is
true.
B
We
see
that
happening
if
you
look
out
on
to
our
streets
now,
if
we
make
infrastructure
where
people
can
be
and
feel
safe
on
bikes
on
alternative
forms
of
transportation,
they
will
use
them
notwithstanding
that
the
distance
might
be
great
or
not
withstanding
that
there
may
be
some
bad
days
of
of
weather,
but
but
we
actually
are
seeing
more
and
more
people
choosing
other
options
rather
than
getting
in
their
cars,
and
part
of
that
is
a
health
thing.
Part
of
that
is
an
environmental
thing,
and
part
of
that
is
a
cost
is
a
cost
factor.
B
You
know
it's
just
quicker
and
healthier
and
a
happier
way
to
get
around
if
you're
able
to
do
that
in
your
in
your
daily
routine.
I
know
it's
not
available
for
everyone,
but
if
we
don't
even
make
those
options
available,
those
safe
options
available.
We're
never
going
to
start
to
see
this
transition
and
it's
got
to
start
somewhere,
and
I,
like,
I
appreciate
that
it
would
have
if
it
came
forward
a
different
way.
B
A
Thank
you,
council,
layton,
council,
cole,.
E
Yes,
I
just
think
that
the
reality
is
that,
because
of
covid,
there
are
many
torontonians
who
are
very
reluctant
to
go
on
jammed
buses,
despite
the
fact
that
the
tdc
is
trying
to
do
his
best
with
mass,
also
on
subway
stations-
and
I
don't
know
if
my
colleague
who
doesn't
like
the
idea
of
looking
at
this
possibility,
realizes
that
you
are
risking
your
health
before
covid
when
you
try
and
get
the
subway
at
young
and
eglinton
or
young
and
lawrence
or
davis
young.
E
You
risk
your
life
every
day
when
you
get
on
those
crowded
platforms,
so
now
you've
got
the
huge
crowds
and
then,
on
top
of
it,
you're
going
to
have
this
coveted
risk.
So
what
is
the
alternative,
then?
For
residents
who
live
in
the
young
corridor?
What
is
the
alternative?
Are
they
all
going
to
get
in
their
cars?
Well
if
they
all
get
in
their
cars?
E
So
they
need
an
alternative
and
cycling
is
one
of
the
alternatives
that
this
motion
asked
to
look
at.
Can
we
enhance
protective
bike
lanes
on
yonge
street,
with
consultation
with
the
community
groups
with
the
business
associations
and
let
staff
look
at
it
and
come
back
with
a
report,
because
it's
not
a
matter
that
we
can
wait
to
have
the
luxury
of
waiting
to
see
what
people
are
going
to
do
and
how
they're
going
to
get
to
and
from
work
to
and
from
all
the
activities
in
the
downtown
core?
So
that's
what
this
motion
does.
E
It
just
asks
essentially
that
we
look
at
this
as
part
of
the
overall
plan
for
expanding
the
bicycle
network,
and
I
think
midtown
is
an
area
that
deserves
an
a
examination
to
see
if
we
can
make
the
mobility
options
available
to
people,
because
right
now,
they're
the
options
are
very,
very
limited.
Given
the
facts,
I
said
the
subways
when
they
come
back
to
where
they
were
are
going
to
be
very,
very
threatening
to
people
to
get
on,
and
they
can't
all
drive.
E
E
He
has
a
nanny
because
he's
working
around
the
clock
fixing
all
the
washing
machines,
so
he
was
driving
his
nanny
from
councillor
perutz's
ward,
to
his
home
every
day,
back
and
forth
every
day,
because
the
nanny,
the
caregiver
was
afraid
to
go
on,
transit
and
also
peter
was
afraid
that,
with
the
children
that
that's
nanny
being
exposed
to
maybe
covet
on
crowded
buses
coming
all
the
way
from
jane
and
finch
was
a
risk
to
his
family
too,
and
so
wasn't
that
so
you
know
what
he
did.
E
He
said:
okay,
I
can't
drive
you
back
and
forth
all
the
time.
I
don't
have
the
time,
uber
costs
too
much,
so
he
bought
her
an
electric
bike.
So
now
she
is
getting
to
and
from
her
home
to
work
on
the
bicycle.
So
she
didn't
have
the
money
to
buy
a
car.
Peter
can't
drive
her
back
and
forth
uber
castle.
If
you
want
more
cars
on
the
road,
you
want
more
inconvenience
for
people.
E
You
you've
got
to
get
your
head
out
of
the
sand
and
realize
that
we
have
to
have
this
alternative
of
people
using
bicycles
in
a
safe
way
protective
way,
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
on
young
street
at
least
look
at
it
examine
this
possibility.
This
feasibility,
we
can't
keep
ignoring
the
new
realities
of
mobility
challenges
and
of
coven
19
realities,
which
may
not
be
there
for
people
who
drive
everywhere
and
have
a
nice
car
to
get
around
in.
E
But
if
you
don't
have
that
alternative
of
a
car,
and
you
can't
walk
from
jane
and
finch
down
to
eglinton
avenue,
the
cycling
alternative
may
be
worth
looking
at.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
councilor
cole,
any
other
speakers
on
the
item.
No
okay,
voting
on
my
amendments.
A
That
carries,
I
should
ask
for
a
pose.
I
think
there
was
one
opposed
one
opposed,
and
the
item
is
amended
all
those
in
favor
that
posed.
A
That
carries
anyway.
That
concludes
our
business.
For
today.
Thank
you
very
much
committee
members,
counselors
visiting
counselors
and
and
staff,
be
safe
out
there
to
those
in
the
jewish
community.
We
wish
you
a
happy
new
year
and
a
chanatova,
and
we
look
forward
to
seeing
everyone
in
person
again
soon
and
keep
safe
out
there.
Thank
you
very
much
and
of
course,
thanks
very
much
to
our
tech
support
and
our
clerk.