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Licensing and Standards Committee, meeting 23, November 16, 2017 - Part 2 of 2
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D
It's
now
good
afternoon,
please
go
ahead
councillors
and
committee
members.
My
name
is
Robert
field.
I
am
here
today
as
president
of
the
Graydon
Hall,
tenants,
association
and
I'm,
representing
tenants
and
almost
1,000
rental
units
in
the
don
mills
in
york,
mills
area-
that's
word,
34,
I'm
also
on
the
board
of
the
federation
of
metro,
tenants
associations.
I
want
to
speak
briefly
to
you
about
our
position
on
air
B&B.
We
use
that
term,
but
of
course
it's
the
wider
group
of
people
that
provide
these
services
and
the
licensing
required.
D
What
I
have
to
say,
there's
likely
not
going
to
be
new
to
you
and
I
may
be
reiterating
what
summer
for
the
staff
or
other
presenters
have
recommended.
Our
main
concern
with
air
B&B
is
not
with
the
people
who
rent
out
a
spare
room
in
their
house
or
apartment.
This
accounts
for
about
50%,
as
we
understand
of
their
B&B,
is
business
and
when
we're
leaving
those
fine
folks
to
do
that
in
the
future.
Our
concern
is
what
the
other
half
of
the
business
is.
D
D
The
loss
of
units
is
serious,
as
we've
said
earlier,
there's
a
low
low
rental
availability,
its
ravaged
by
rental
markets
in
a
number
of
cities.
Currently,
our
models
assume
that
about
2,000
to
4,000
units
may
have
already
been
lost
in
Toronto.
This
represents
a
massive
amount
of
lost
housing.
This
has
always
been
our
American
main
concern
with
air
B&B
operations
over
the
lake.
D
Finally,
there's
a
major
impact
on
rent
due
to
Airbnb
is
reduction
of
the
rental
supply,
and
this
is
something
I'm
personally
concerned
about
as
well.
A
study
released
in
The,
Wall,
Street
Journal
I
was
told
about
states
that,
for
every
ten
thousand
percent
increase
in
air
B&B
units,
there's
a
four
percent
increase
in
rent
as
bear
Airbnb
is
doubled
in
Toronto
between
2014
and
2016.
This
leads
to
something
like
a
one
thousand
dollar
annual
rent
increase
in
downtown
Toronto
for
a
two-bedroom
apartment,
so
in
effect
taking
the
regular
units
out
of
the
mix.
D
Other
operators
are
now
jumping
into
the
fray
and
upping
the
rents,
and
at
a
time
where
our
associations
are
concerned
about
above
guideline
increases,
this
is
just
adds
to
the
pain.
Overall,
we
support
the
regulation
of
short-term
rentals
to
ensure
that
operators
registered
both
themselves
and
their
approved
principal
residents
as
the
property
they
are
renting.
A
plan
for
effective
and
proactive
enforcement
would
protect
both
the
city's
supply
of
long
term
rental,
housing
and
the
affordability
of
rental
housing.
Thank.
E
Concealers,
my
name
is
real
Quintero
I
am
super
host
of
Airbnb
I
own
duplex,
sorry
semi,
the
Dutch
in
a
forgotten
corner
of
Mister
be
George's.
Our
work
and
I've
been
doing
Airbnb
for
almost
a
year,
I've
been
doing
homestay
for
almost
10
years
before
Airbnb
without
Airbnb
I
cannot
have
my
house.
I
will
be
in
the
army
of
people
looking
for
renting,
but
Airbnb
allows
me
to
keep
the
house
of
through
my
divorce
and
honestly
I
feel
being
attacked
by
by
by
by
all
your
measurements.
E
E
So
if
I
have
the
whole
year
doing
that,
it's
gonna
be
barely
like
$30,000,
just
just
about
to
get
the
HST
or
whatever,
oh,
by
the
way
I
have
to
project
because
I'm
a
very
lame
and
I
have
no
fancy
words
or
whatever
right,
and
nobody
in
my
in
my
community
complains
about
me.
I.
Don't
think
I
have
to
ask
my
neighbor
if
he
wants
me
to
see
one
guy
walking,
because
what
is
the
next
step
gain
a
check
point
to
ask
for
ID
and
what
is
your
business
here?
I,
don't
think
so.
E
As
long
as
I
complied
with
all
the
bylaws
I
don't
have
to
ask
for
permission
for
anybody
to
do
things
in
my
house
now.
None
of
my
neighbors
are
complaints
about
me,
but
I
complain
about
my
neighbors
all
the
time.
Noise,
garbage
and
actually
I
have
been
treating
with
mr.
DeGeorge
office
for
quite
some
time
with
many
of
these
issues.
So
that's
the
one
thing
I
want
to
also
add
who
know
other
European.
Bees
are
the
same.
We
have
a
good
guys.
We
have
bad
guys
and
it's
very
unfortunately,
the
the
well.
E
In
my
case,
I
considered
to
be
a
very
very
honest:
I
have
a
job
I'm
still
with
Airbnb
thing
and
with
my
job
I
just
barely
make
the
ends
meet
any
taxi.
No
things
like
that.
It
has
to
be
fair
because
I
err,
I,
cannot
be
compared
to
the
guys
who
has
three
or
four
hundred
units.
Maybe
colleges
I,
don't
have
that.
My
car
is
a
piece
of
garbage
and
just
keep
keep
in
mind
that
there
are
people
like
me
who
tries
to
make
ends
meet.
E
Airbnb
is
a
tool
if,
before
every
idea,
I
was
using
Kijiji
a
paper
in
the
grocery
store,
so
I'm,
just
the
little
guy
don't
forget
about
me.
I
belong
to
Toronto's.
Well,
I
want
to
keep
my
house
I,
don't
want
to
be
pushed
out
of
my
house
just
because
you
know
what
some
some
very
very
fair
B&B
want
to
have
their
own
hotels
thing,
I'm
done
Thank.
F
You,
sir,
thank
you
for
coming
and
certainly
interest
that
I
heard
your
comments.
Do
you
live
in
a
house?
Yes,
sir
Sumida
touch
when
people
are
coming
from
Airbnb
to
rent
a
house
here
in
the
house,
100
percent
360
days.
Ok,
so
your
neighbors
across
the
street
beside
you.
They
know
you're
running
an
air
B&B
I,
actually.
F
You
wouldn't
be
this
bad
operator
that
blocks
in
the
individual,
so
you
would
like
to
be
at
the
house.
You
would
like
your
neighbors
to
know
that
you're
running
an
air
B&B,
you
want
to
be
a
good
quality
neighbor
and
you
want
to
enjoy
the
people
that
are
coming
to
town
to
to
stay
with
you
with
your
neighbors
and
they.
F
E
F
C
C
E
B
B
B
B
G
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
Denise
lash
I'm,
the
president
of
CAI
Canada,
which
is
an
association
that
represents
about
32,000
members
worldwide.
It's
Association
that
recently
started
in
Canada
and
it's
comprised
of
condominium
managers,
condominium
directors,
residents
and
condominium
professionals,
I'm.
Also
the
founder
of
my
own
law,
firm,
called
lash
condo
law
and
we
represent
about
400
condominium
corporations,
so
I'm
very
familiar
with
this
issue.
I've
dealt
with
both
sides.
G
Recently,
one
of
our
buildings,
which
is
which
permits
short-term
rentals,
wanted
to
prevent
it,
and
so
they
took
steps
to
try
to
amend
their
declaration
and
the
residents
did
not
want
to
go
forward
with
that.
They
wanted
the
short-term
rentals
and
the
reason
this
corporation
wanted
to
abolish
a
short-term
rentals,
because
they're
dealing
with
issues,
parties,
noise,
wear
and
tear
and
and
I
think
those
are
the
major
concerns
that
we
hear
about.
G
Airbnb
had
approached
our
office
and
approached
CAI
Canada
about
working
out
a
solution,
and
so
there's
a
friendly
buildings
program
that
you
may
have
heard
of
today.
That's
was
launched
in
the
US
and
now
going
international.
It's
now
in
Toronto.
For
the
first
time
with
this
building,
it
seems
to
address
the
issues
so
in
buildings
that
permit
short-term
rentals.
This
is
an
agreement
which
allows
the
condominium
corporation
to
participate
and
get
revenue,
so
not
only
is
a
resident
getting
their
revenue.
G
Much
needed
for
somebody
who
can't
afford
to
you
know
to
carry
the
unit,
but
now
the
condominium
corporation
benefits
for
it
from
it
and
Airbnb
was
very
open
to
making
sure
that
it
covers
all
the
concerns
of
the
condominium
corporations
so
address
the
noise
and
nuisance
factor.
If
there's
a
complaint
that
the
condominium
corporation,
notifies,
Airbnb
and
area
Airbnb
will
take
steps
to
prevent
that
particular
owner
from
renting
their
unit.
That
is
more
than
what
we
have
now
so
under
the
condominium
act.
The
condominium
corporation
and
its
board
cannot
levy
penalties.
G
C
H
You
all
have
my
written
copy
of
my
deputation
I
asked
you
to
read
that,
but
I
also
I'm
going
to
speak
a
couple
of
other
things,
because
by
three
minutes,
first
of
all,
accessibility.
How
many
of
these
air
BnB
s,
are
wheelchair,
accessible
and
follow
the
standards
of
wheelchair
accessibility,
basic
AODA,
many
of
our
own
subsidized
units
that
claim
they're
accessible,
are
not
truly
properly
up
just
up
to
code
or
standards.
My
other
issue
is
and
I'm
with
fair,
fair
B&B
for
a
lot
of
reasons.
H
I
live
in
an
area
where
there's
a
lot
of
problems
with
BMB
I
live
in
an
area
where
condo
buildings
condos
have
been
bought
by
outside
developers
and
investors
and
just
are
rented
out
their
B&B
I'm.
Sad
to
see
the
appointed
counselor
is
not
here
since
she
represents
an
area
of
massive
development
down
in
the
PanAm
housing
area,
but
I'm
also
worried
about
fire
safety.
I'm
worried
about
people
that
are
I
have
friends
with
disabilities
and
their
parents
who
own
their
own
home
and
the
only
way
they
can
stay
in
it.
H
Is
they
used
to
do
long
term
rentals?
Well,
my
friend's
mother
was
attacked.
My
friend's
mother
has
had
problems
with
long-term
rental
people
just
destroying
the
apartments.
They
have
two
apartments
as
one
bedroom
and
a
two-bedroom
they've
gone
to
Airbnb
because
they
have
no
other
choice.
The
biggest
problem
is
so
with
the
proper
rules
and
regulations.
I
think
that
we
can
do
this.
H
We
can
think
about
this
in
an
equal
and
demonstrative
way,
but
also
I
want
to
see
that
at
least
there
is
regulations
when
it
comes
to
accessibility
and
fire
safety,
I
believe
in
Airbnb,
but
I
also
believe
in
rules
and
regulations
to
make
it
fair
for
everybody,
not
just
the
able-bodied.
Many
disabled
people
I
know,
including
many
deaf
friends
have
Airbnb,
because
they
have
no
other
way
to
stay
in
their
homes
or
afford
to
be
in
Toronto.
H
A
I'm,
a
lawyer
when
we
moved
here
in
2016
houses
near
U
of
T,
were
renting
for
about
$3,000
a
month
that
was
affordable
for
us.
We
decided,
unfortunately,
for
us
to
get
a
furnished
rental
for
a
year
to
ease
our
transition
to
Toronto,
and
when
that
ended
this
past
year
we
looked
at
the
market
around
U
of
T
again
and
for
rentals
there
was
virtually
nothing
and
what
there
was
was
starting
at
$4,200
a
month.
A
So
that's
in
a
year,
okay,
between
the
two
of
us,
my
husband,
hired
almost
a
quarter
of
a
million
dollars
in
Europe.
That's
a
pretty
significant
amount
of
money,
but
renting
a
house
near
U
of
T
and
paying
for
daycare
for
two
children
would
have
taken
seven
percent
of
our
net
income
every
month.
Okay,
so
who
can
afford
to
live
in
these
places?
A
Now
we
ended
up
having
to
move
out
to
Cogswell
to
find
an
affordable
rental
and
even
their
tiny
three-bedroom
houses
are
going
through
$3,000
a
month
I'm
here
today,
because
I'm
concerned
not
only
about
my
family
and
where
we're
gonna
live.
If
our
current
lease
is
not
renewed
any
year,
but
I'm
concerned
about
the
80%
of
other
people
in
Toronto
who
were
in
less
than
we
do
with
respect
to
the
bylaw
when
I
reviewed,
the
bylaw
I
was
very
concerned
by
what
I
saw.
A
In
my
opinion,
there
are
four
things
this
bylaw
needs
to
do
in
order
to
be
effectively
enforced,
I
provided
a
written
submission
that
sets
those
out
and
I,
encourage
you
to
review
that
I'm
just
going
to
touch
on
one
or
two
of
them
now.
First
of
all,
think
about
the
goal
of
your
bylaw.
The
goal
of
the
entire
process
here
is
to
limit
short-term
rentals
to
a
person's
principal
residence
right.
That's
what
we're
here
to
do.
That's
the
whole
point.
A
So
you're
gonna
handle
registration
numbers
to
people,
though,
without
requiring
them
to
prove
that
the
short-term
rental
is
in
their
principal
residence.
Isn't
isn't
that
the
whole
point
of
the
bylaw
to
limit
it
to
their
principal
residence?
How
can
you
not
require
them
to
prove
that
before
getting
a
registration
numbers?
My
my
current
place,
edit
Coxwell,
the
driveway,
is
actually
too
small
to
fit
a
car.
So,
a
couple
months
ago,
I
came
down
to
City
Hall
in
person
and
got
a
street
parking.
Permit.
I
had
to
get
a
street
parking
permit
in
the
city.
A
As
you
know,
you
have
to
go
in
person
to
City
Hall
and
you
have
to
prove
that
you
live
in
the
neighborhood
where
you
want
the
permit.
Are
you
telling
me
that
you're
going
to
do
less
to
protect
long
term
rentals
in
this
city,
then
you
are
to
protect
the
supply
of
parking
spaces,
because
that's
what
it
seems
like
I
see
him
at
a
time
so
leave
it.
Thank.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Okay.
We
have
concluded
all
the
deputations
at
this
point
and
now
questions
are
to
staff
I'm.
Sorry,
as
we're
done
with
the
deputations,
we
did
extend
that
we
did
extend
the
repetitions
with
well.
You
did
you
rest
okay,
so
this
morning,
actually
with
either
add
more
names
to
the
registration
list
and
the
deadline
was
at
10
o'clock.
So
at
this
point
we
have
done
with
the
deputations.
Thank
you
so
now
questions
staff
members
committee,
any
questions,
questions
of
staff,
transcript,
Janice.
I
I
F
I
You
mr.
chair,
just
to
provide
some
clarity.
Currently
the
city
just
has
a
voluntary
destination
marketing
fee
or
that
that
destination
mark
destination
marketing
program,
it's
3%
paid
by
the
hotels
and
that
supports
tourism
Toronto.
There
is
a
report
forthcoming
pending
legislation
from
the
province
legislation
forthcoming.
That
would
speak
to
the
opportunity
for
the
city
to
impose
a
hotel
tax
or
a
tax
that
would
also
be
applicable
to
the
short
term
rental,
the
direction
and
reference
in
an
Economic
Development
Report.
I
F
F
Me
then
break
it
down
for
you,
one
hundred
and
eighty
nights
at
a
hundred
dollars
a
night
that
is
eighteen
thousand
per
house
per
animal.
A
point:
four
is
seven
hundred
twenty
dollars
destination
tax
per
house,
twenty
thousand
air
B&B
units-
that's
fourteen
million
four
hundred
thousand
the
city
will
be
missing
so.
I
I
F
The
operators
not
get
permission
from,
or
at
least
advise
their
neighbors.
We
we
have
heard
one
lady
today
that
she
had
she
was
caged
in
her
house.
She
wasn't
able
to
get
out
because
she
felt
she
was
in
fear
to
get
out.
Should
we
not
ask
the
operators
to
to
advise
their
neighbors
or
get
permission
from
their
neighbors
I
mean
when
I
asked
everybody.
Nobody
seemed
to
have
an
objection
to
that.
So.
I
Through
you,
mister
chair,
I
think
the
the
matter
would
have
to
be
discussed
as
to
what
extent
the
expectation
is
if
it's
simply
a
matter
of
courtesy
to
advise
neighbors
is
one
thing:
if
it's
a
matter
of
a
mandated
requirement
and
a
notification
with
an
objection
process,
then
that's
an
entirely
different
nature
of
the
beast.
It
were.
F
I
F
I
So
three
of
mr.
chair
I've
dedicated
my
working
life
to
public
safety.
So
I
don't
know
that
necessarily
a
clearance
does
all
that
all
it
does
is
identify
things
for
which
someone
has
been
found
guilty.
You
know
people
need
to
practice
their
own
personal
and
personal
safety
efforts
as
well,
but
it
certainly
if
it's
something
you'd
like
is
to
rethink
and
come
back
with
we're
happy
to
consider.
Thank
you.
I
3,
mr.
chair,
what
we've
said
is
where
a
person
is
sharing
a
portion
of
their
home,
so
the
three
bedrooms
up
until
yesterday,
the
secondary
suite,
but
what's
currently
on
it
play
the
three
bedrooms,
is
unlimited
365
days
a
year.
It's
when
the
entire
unit
is
being
offered
for
short-term
rental,
that
we've
said
no
more
than
180
days,
which
is
approximately
six
month
so
again,
founded
in
the
principle
that
this
is
a
person's
principal
residence.
It's
not
unreasonable
to
expect
that
the
person
principally
resides
there
at
least
half
the
year.
Okay,.
I
J
I
Through
you,
mister
chair,
you
know
so
certainly
it's
a
it's
a
balance
of
philosophy.
It's
a
balance
of
you
know
people
having
the
right
to
use
their
home
and
portions
of
their
home
in
an
effort,
as
we've
heard
from
some
deput
ins
to
earn
additional
income
to
help
them
afford
their
homes,
and
the
other
side
of
the
house
is
that
we
do
have
a
shortage
of
available
rental
housing
in
the
city,
so
that
our
proposal
was
that
eight
one
secondary
suite
within
a
premise
would
be
permitted.
I
So
through
you,
mr.
chair,
so
this
worked
out
a
bit
complicated
yesterday.
If,
if
it's
the
the
principal
residence
of
the
person
so
Paul
who
deputed
earlier
was
a
secondary
suite
he's
365
days
a
year,
it's
only
when
the
entire
unit
is
rented,
then
that
house
would
be
180
days
as
well
as
the
tenant
in
a
secondary
suite.
So
the
secondary
suite
is
tenant
'add.
That
person
would
be
able
to
participate
by
short-term
renting's
rooms
365.
I
I
So
through
you,
mr.
chair,
that
is
something
that
we
would
have
to
determine.
Certainly
if
we,
as
you
know,
councillor
Burnside
enforcement
is
challenging
in
all
respects.
What
this
would
do
in
the
front
end
would
not
permit,
would
not
permit
someone
to
register
a
secondary
suite
as
an
available
unit
registered
for
short-term
rental.
From
the
enforcement
perspective,
it
would
come
down
to
what,
how
we
investigate
and
determine
the
portion
of
the
property
that
is
being
used,
how
it
is
being
used
if
the
portion
of
the
property
being
used
is
deemed
a
secondary
suite.
J
I
J
I
J
I
So
through
you,
mr.
chair,
that
absolutely
was
a
component
of
the
proposed
regulation.
That
would
put
a
great
deal
of
thought
into
recognizing
that
the
party
house
scenario
is
a
small
small,
small
percentage
there.
We
do
not
get
a
lot
of
complaints,
but
for
the
neighbor
it
is
a
massive
issue
and
for
the
neighborhood,
so
recommendation
number
seven
speaks
about
an
authority
to
refuse
or
cancel
an
operator's
registration.
If
there
are
issues
such
as
the
party
houses
that
are
causing
community
disorder
or
public
nuisance,
so
we
have
embedded
a
tool
to
address
those.
I
Through
you,
mr.
chair,
we
certainly
want
to
ensure
that
any
process
where
we
may
be
withdrawing
someone's
right
to
opportunity
to
do
something
is
subject
to
due
process
and
transparency.
We
have
outlined
that
in
the
report.
What
that
would
look
like
it
does
not.
You
know
the
other
piece
of
this
we
were
trying
to
balance
was
not
creating
an
overly
burdensome
or
bureaucratic,
or
you
know
another
quasi
judicial
body
to
deal
with
these
issues.
I
I
Through
you,
mr.
chair,
that
is
not
something
that
we
had
contemplated
or
made
provision
for.
We
will,
through
the
registry,
the
operator
registry
people
are
required
to
provide
their
name
address,
etc.
Any
disclosure
of
that
information
is
something
that
we
would
have
to
do
pursuant
to
privacy
screening
and
ensuring
that
we're,
according
to
all
privacy
laws
and.
K
The
reason
I
ask
that
is
because,
if,
if
we
have
any
of
these
problem
ones
where
we
get
complaints,
we're
not
aware
that
they
are,
and
then
we
report
it,
we
reported
to
you
report
to
the
police,
and
then
we
and
then
we
don't
know
right
mm-hmm.
So
would
it
probably
would
assist
us
in
knowing?
So
we
know
where
you
can
file
the
complaint
to
you
know,
rather
than
wonder
so.
I
I
So
there's
the
difference
of
being
made
being
advised
that
it
is
up
a
short-term
rental
when
an
issue
occurs
versus
an
upfront
disclosure
of
all
the
short-term
rentals
that
exist,
which
again
we
you
know
before
we
do
any
disclosure
of
information
we
always
ensure
that
privacy
is
is
addressed
accordingly.
Thank
you.
L
Judge,
oh,
you
know
just
a
very
quick
question
with
respect
to
point
number
26
basically
says
that
anyone
that
contravenes
the
by
law
can
be
penalized
up
to
a
fine
of
hundred
thousand
that
also
talks
about
the
directors
of
the
corporation,
who
knowingly
concur
in
the
contravention.
So
how
do
we
go
after
the
directors
of
a
corporation?
B
Those
provisions
are
the
ones
that
are
mirroring
the
City
of
Toronto
Act
Authority.
The
intent
here
is
that,
where
there
is
proof
that
the
directors
or
officers
have
been
informed
of
non-compliance
continue
to
allow
it
to
occur,
that
they
can
in
fact
be
charged
and
convicted
for
failing
to
take
action
or
allowing
the
action
to
continue
that.
I
C
You
any
other
questions,
if
not
Simon
203.
So
in
essence,
we
have
three
reports
dealing
with
this
short-term
rental
regulations.
The
report
it
deals
with
the
regulation
in
the
registration
aspects,
then
the
next,
the
other
one,
is
the
one
that
was
deal
with
yesterday
with
planning
growth
in
terms
of
the
zoning
aspect
and
the
next
report,
that's
coming
to
the
executive,
I
believe
on
the
29th
of
this
month,
and
that
is
with
a
potential
taxation
aspect
now
with
regards
to
to
them
secondary
Suites
that
were
deal
with
yesterday.
C
I
C
So
follow-up
to
that
is,
there
are
presently
we
have
checking
balances,
especially
as
it
relates
to
provincial
in
mandated
regulations
and
I
am
preparing
today
to
the
residential
tenancy
act
that
protects
any
units
that
are
rented
out
where
we
have
tenants
that
they
can
complain
if
they
are
being
kicked
out
or
whatever,
so
those
secondary,
Suites,
literally
speaking,
a
protected.
So
my
question
to
you
within
that
frame
of
thought:
if
there
is
any
potential
second
suite
so
there
that.
C
Are
not
invented
by
choice
or
they
are
not
in
compliance
with
the
building
code
or
or
fire
code,
but
the
potential
is
there.
How
do
we
differ
and
differentiate
in
terms
of
regulating
that?
Just
trying
to
have
that
sense
of
clarity,
because
we
have
a
gray
area
there?
That's
not
crystal
clear
and
has
a
potential
for
legal
of
civil
litigation
out.
There
is
any
thoughts
on
that
that
you
can
share
with
us.
I
Yes,
you,
mr.
chair,
it's
very
complicated.
That
is
one
thing
we
certainly
saw
discussing
it
yesterday.
So
yes,
the
RTA
does
govern
those
long
term
tendencies.
So
someone
who
is
a
tenant
in
a
we'll
secondary
suite
is
governed
by
that.
We
do
know
that
there
are
cases
and
the
number
we
have
is
1759
secondary
suites
that
we
are
aware
of
that
have
come
in
for
a
building
permit
at
some
point
in
time.
I
I
So
you
know,
I
think
our
ultimate
goal-
and
you
know
the
goal
in
all
of
this,
including
this
regulation-
is
to
recognize
the
activity
regulated
in
a
reasonable
way
to
ensure
that
we
can
ensure,
to
the
extent
that
we
can,
that
the
appropriate
laws
are
followed
and
the
appropriate
safety
measures
are
in
place
and
I
think
that
is.
That
is
a
foundation
of
everything
that
we
do.
It's
what
we
did
with
the
apartment,
building
bylaw
as
well,
and
we
have
people
living
in
places
that
are
probably
not
suited
for
human
occupation.
So.
C
I
Sophia,
mr.
chair,
you
know
we.
When
we
proposed
this
regulation,
we
struck
a
balance
between
the
people
who
owned
homes
who
need
to
rent
for
secondary
Suites,
for
affordability
for
them
and
people
having
access
to
to
housing.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
this
is
going
to
be
a
matter
that
is
adjudicated
through
counsel.
We,
you
know
I
I,
understand
all
sides
of
the
coin
here
and
I.
Think
we'll
have
a
very
fulsome
and
interesting
debate
about
the
efficiency
or
sufficiency
of
whether
secondary
suites
ought
to
be
permitted
or
not.
I
L
You
mr.
chairman
couple
of
comments.
First
of
all,
this
is
a
very,
very
sort
of
interesting
topic,
because
I'm
sure,
as
we
proceed,
there
will
be
some
consequences
resulting
from
any
decision
that
we
make
that
we
need
to
modify
going
forward,
but
in
general
I'm
supportive
of
the
of
the
recommendations
and
I
will
be
moving
to
adopt
the
recommendations
with
at
this
point.
I
don't
really
want
to
make
any
amendments.
L
I
can
just
say
that
I
I
grew
up
in
a
home,
sharing
environment
way
back
when
and
I
can
tell
you
that
the
conditions
in
the
home
sharing
environment
that
I
grew
up
in
were
quite
different
than
the
home
sharing
environment
today.
So
in
that
respect,
it's
it's
a
good
thing.
Sort
of
modernized,
sharing,
accommodations
with
respect
to
the
secondary
Suites
I,
do
have
some
comm.
Some
concerns
that
I
want
to
just
think
over.
L
You
know
not
to
give
you
a
real
sort
of
clear
indication
of
what
happens
in
my
area,
but
secondary
Suites
that
are
rented
out
in
my
area.
I
can't
imagine
that
tourists
would
want
to
come
in
and
sort
of
live
in
some
of
those
secondary
Suites
that
are
being
rented
out
on
a
long-term
basis.
So
I
don't
see
the
concern
about
secondary
suites,
taking
away
from
the
rental
stock.
L
Similarly,
in
a
more
lucrative
sort
of
area
of
the
city,
again,
I
can't
imagine
that
someone
having
the
flexibility
of
renting
they're,
a
very
good
unit
that
might
command
somewhere,
like
2,500
to
3,000
a
month,
is
going
to
take
away
from
the
rental
stock
if
they
choose
to
do
it
on
a
short-term
basis
and
and
tourists
would
very,
very
well
probably
want
to
be
living
in
situations
like
that.
So
to
sort
of
make
a
rule
that
says
you
know
what's
just
forgettable
secondary
Suites
and
not
I,
don't
think
that's
gonna.
Take
us
very
far.
L
F
Basically,
what
I'm
looking
for
is
a
person
and
operators
say
the
recommendation
is
that
it's
a
an
owner
or
tenant.
What
I'm
stating
is
if
the
operator
is
a
tenant,
they
should
provide
written
authorization
from
the
homeowner
in
compliance
with
all
provincial
regulations.
The
other
recommendation
is
again
when
we're
looking
at
tenants.
They
do
provide
proof
of
the
tenants
and
proof
that
they
live
in
the
house.
F
I
would
like
to
have
the
neighbors
know
that
the
houses
are
being
rented
as
Airbnb,
so
I'm
asking
for
a
consent
within
100
meter,
radius
from
the
house
police
clearance
again
for
the
operator,
the
operator
to
be
present
at
the
property
during
the
rental.
So
we
don't
have
the
problems.
As
we
have
I'd
like
to
see
the
fees
go
up
from
$50
to
$100,
from
5,000
to
10,000
and
to
dollars
per
night.
F
If
we
take
180
nights
for
home
at
a
hundred
dollars
per
home,
thus
18,000
houses
per
annum
point
zero
four
percent
destination
tact
at
seven
hundred
twenty
dollars
per
house,
twenty
thousand
air
being
Union
Airbnb
units-
that's
fourteen
million
four
hundred
dollars
we'll
be
losing
I'm
sure
that
the
operators
can
pay
ten
thousand
and
people
can
pay
hundred
bucks
to
register
and
two
dollars
per
night.
Thank
you
that.
C
K
F
F
Any
notices
we
send
right
now
for
anything
else,
it's
at
the
expense
of
the
person,
that's
making
the
application.
So,
if
you're,
making
an
application
to
do
a
development,
the
expenses
of
sending
the
mail
out
to
come
come
out
of
the
the
developers
pocket
now,
you're
gonna
be
making
money,
you
don't
want
to
inconvenience
your
neighbors
either
going
knock
at
the
doors
and
get
their
signatures
or
the
staff
sends
out
a
notices
and
says
hey.
So
we
don't
have
the
same
woman
I'm.
Sorry,
you
were
not
here
before
lunch.
F
K
J
F
F
J
J
F
J
F
Know
I
mean
we
heard
from
the
lady
that
was
a
party
going
on
in
her
house.
I
also
heard
in
my
street
last
July
that
I
had
to
call
the
cops
at
3
o'clock
in
the
morning
because
of
an
individual
that
had
rented
it's
outside
an
air
B&B
and
at
night
at
3
o'clock
in
the
morning.
There's
a
lot
of
noise,
so
I
mean
it's
unfair
to
the
longtime
residents
that
are
there
not
being
able
to
make
sure
that
the
person
that's
renting
out
the
Airbnb
residence
is
not
staying
there
right.
J
F
F
I
don't
give
a
damn
about
the
neighborhood
and
I'm
gonna
do
whatever
I
need
and
I'm
out
of
here
today,
okay,
the
teen
is
gonna,
be
there
he's
gonna,
be
answerable
when
these
parents
come
back
and
the
parents
will
certainly
come
and
speak
as
a
neighbor
and
say
hey,
you
know
your
son
did
a
party
and
then
we
appreciate
it.
You
know
not
after
but.
J
F
This
could
be
done
with
the
platform
of
air
B&B.
Air
B&B
can
be
responsible
for
making
sure
that
they
they
get
the
consent
from
the
neighbors
and
at
any,
given
into
a
point
in
time
that
the
the
executive
director
can
take
a
look
at
it
as
we're
doing
with
uber
I
mean
we'll.
Let
yourself
self-regulate.
If
Airbnb
wants
to
be
regulated
well,
then
we
can
pass
it
on
to
them
and
say:
hey
make
sure
that
you
got
the
compliance
from
the
neighbors
and
if
we
need
to,
then
we
can
check
it
out.
It.
J
J
F
J
Hold
up
now,
you're,
not
giving
me
the
answers.
Mr.
chair
finish,
I
don't
need
I,
don't
need
a
math
lesson
here.
What
I'm
trying
to
understand
my
question
very
direct
was:
did
you
have
conversation
with
any
Federal
Minister?
Probably
the
Revenue
Minister
about
the
implications
of
lost
revenue
to
what
the
city
may
or
may
not
get
it
as
a
proportion
of
HST?
That's
my
only
question.
Well,.
J
F
F
J
I'm,
okay,
don't
worry,
there's
no
need
to
get
heated!
My
last
question:
you
talked
about
this,
these
four
percent-
and
that
comes
straight
from
right
here
right
this,
the
nation
tax,
it's
a
destination
from
where
from
the
deputy
city
manager,
okay,
right.
So,
okay,
now
my
understanding
is
that
that
aspect
of
this
whole
home-sharing
debate
that
destination
tax
has
yet
to
be
decided
and
is
going
before
executive.
Is
that
your
understanding
or
do
I
not
know
if.
F
C
C
C
Other
questions,
if
not
any
other
speakers
before
we
wrap
up
I
know
we
are
going
to
miss
a
quorum
very
soon
and
your
speakers,
otherwise
I'll
I,
will
speak
and
and
I'll
be
very,
very,
very
brief.
First
and
foremost
is
I'm,
going
to
I
want
to
thank
all
the
deputies
for
making
your
presentations
and
with
that
level
of
passion
and
understanding
at
the
same
time,
and
I
was
listening
very
carefully
to
what
you
have
said
and
thank
you
all
put
in
here.
C
I
also
want
to
thank
city
staff
for
an
excellent
report
for
going
through
all
the
public
consultations,
and
all
of
that
you
have
done
an
amazing
job
to
bring
these
recommendations
forward.
Thank
you.
So
much
with
regards
to
the
recommendation.
That's
before
from
cancer,
Kalyani's
I
will
ask
members
of
committee
not
to
support
these
recommendations.
For
many
many
reasons:
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
it.
The
castle
has
the
prerogative
to
bring
them
at
City
Council.
That's
that's
another
venue
to
do
it
not
at
this
community,
so
I
will
be
worrying
against
that.
C
The
purpose
of
what's
before
us
within
the
municipalities
and
standards
is
simply
to
on
the
short-term.
Rentals
is
the
regulating
aspect
as
well
as
the
registration,
as
it
relates
to
the
course
and
also
the
EM
platforms.
There
was
a
report:
oh
yes
and
I'm.
Moving.
Another
motion
in
Fulani
is
motion
a
that.
C
Oh
is
going
to
be
done
with
the
order
to
stand
communities
of
cancer.
We
hear
from
the
leptons
this
morning,
I
hear
from
one
of
them:
Jennifer
Graham,
who
mentioned
that,
together
with
her
husband
and
children,
that
how
important
it
is
for
them
to
rent
the
rooms
on
the
ground
floor
I
was
paying
close
attention
to
what
she
kept
saying.
C
If
you
don't
have
a
six,
if
you
don't
have
a
six-figure
salary,
if
you
are
working
part
time
scale
in
there,
it's
very
difficult.
We
we
help
from
secretary
who
clearly
indicated
what
he
has
to
go
through.
We
hear
from
a
gentleman
that
he
said
that
50
years
old
or
older,
in
how
difficult
is
for
him
to
find
a
job
and
he's
been
struggling,
his
traveling
and
their
only
venue
in
revenue
for
him
and
his
Savior
has
been
renting
out
a
room
or
two
rooms
or
his
secondary
floor.
C
We
have
a
platform,
a
disruptive
platform,
the
same
thing
that
we
have
with
over,
but
Airbnb
in
any
other
technologies.
They're
here
to
stay
like
is
happening
in
other
jurisdictions
around
the
world,
so
I've.
What
has
been
done
from
our
city
staff,
literally
speaking,
is
bring
that
sense
of
understanding
how
to
move
forward
we
had
to.
At
the
same
time
we
have
to
be
sensitive
with
what
we
are
dealing
with.
We
are
dealing
also
with
the
crisis
in
Syria
Toronto
when
it
comes
to
affordable
housing.
C
We
have
to
be
very
mindful
that
we
protect
affordable
housing,
because
a
lot
of
people
are
struggling
to
survive
out
there
as
well,
so
to
create
that
sense
of
balance
is
a
real
challenge
and
we
threw
the
challenge.
We
can
also
find
opportunities,
and
on
that
note,
I
want
to
thank
you
all
once
again
and
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
round.
C
C
C
The
second
motion
is
that
to
repair
all
the
submissions
to
city
staff
evening
to
bring
supplemental
reports
if
cancel
all
those
in
favor
against
Kerry.
Thank
you
on
the
item.
As
amended,
all
those
in
favor
recorded
what
cancers
in
Sierra
the
Georgia
Palace
Palace
of
Versailles
against
Kerry
Janice.
Thank
you
very
one
motion
to
adjourn
Kazuko
Janice,
all
those
available.
Thank
you.