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From YouTube: North York Community Council - November 4, 2020
Description
North York Community Council, meeting 19, November 4, 2020
Agenda and background materials:
http://app.toronto.ca/tmmis/decisionBodyProfile.do?function=doPrepare&meetingId=17129
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This
meeting
is
being
held
on
using
the
city's
webex
technology
with
members
of
council
participating
by
video
conference
city
staff
are
also
connecting
to
the
meeting
by
video
conference.
The
city
hall
remains
closed.
The
public
continues
to
participate
electronically
and
can
watch
the
meeting
streaming
live
at
youtube
at
youtube.com,
backslash
toronto
city
council
live
because
we're
meeting
remotely.
We
ask
for
your
patience
and
any
delays
or
technical
issues
currently
have
registered
people
registered
to
speak.
Who've
been
connected
to
the
meeting
by
audio.
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This
will
make
it
easier
for
me
as
chair
and
for
those
watching
on
youtube
to
observe
members
as
they
participate
in
the
debates
and
vote
on
items
as
part
of
each
agenda
item.
I
will
ask
members
to
raise
their
hand
or
mute
their
mic
if
they
wish
to
question
staff
or
to
speak.
I
will
then
create
a
speaker's
list
and
we
will
call
them
members
when
it
is
their
turn
to
speak.
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When
voting
on
an
item
or
motion,
I
ask
the
members
ensure
that
they
turn
on
their
video,
if
applicable
and
to
raise
their
hand
to
indicate
their
vote.
Ensure
that
I
see
all
members.
I
will
ask
you
to
keep
your
hands
raised
until
I've
reviewed
all
members
members.
I
want
to
remind
you
that
you
must
still
submit
to
approve
all
the
motions
by
email
staff
are
available
at
nycc
at
toronto.ca
to
help
with
motions.
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Although
we
were
meeting
for
locations
only
today,
the
community
council
would
like
to
acknowledge
hang
on
as
the
judicial
territory
of
many
nations,
including
the
mississauga
of
the
credit,
the
ashwanabe,
the
chippewa,
the
haudenosaury,
the
windapp
peoples
and
is
now
home
to
many
diverse
first
nations
in
you
at
metis
people.
We
also
acknowledge
the
toronto
is
covered
by
treaty
13
with
the
mississauga.
With
the
credit.
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Pose
that's
carried
blue
ridge,
road
closure
of
cul-de-sac,
item
number
17,
all
those
in
favor
of
adding
it
to
the
agenda
post
and
it's
carried.
The
third
new
item
ended
crescent
one
hour
parking
board.
Eight,
all
those
in
favor
of
fighting
at
the
agenda
pose
that
is
carried
and
the
fourth
new
item
is
removed.
Parking
area,
improved
site
lines
at
driveway
to
30
18
young
street
also
award
eight,
all
those
in
favor
of
adding
it
to
the
agenda
proposed.
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Oh
hi
miss
abdullah,
thank
you
for
joining
us.
You
wanted
to
speak
on
this
item,
just
a
reminder
that
the
heights
and
density
and
I
believe
the
the
unit
numbers
were
decided
many
years
ago.
So
we're
just,
I
think,
we're
just
dealing
with
the
subdivision
application
according
to
local
counselors.
So
if
you
could
speak
to
that,
that
would
be
great.
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We
can
say
that
approximately
the
population
of
sununu
park
is
going
to
be
raised
to
24
000
and
the
population
density
will
become
close
to
10
000
people
in
comparison.
I'd
just
like
to
say
that
toronto
only
has
a
population
density
of
4
000
people
per
square
kilometers.
We
should
reject
the
subdivision,
because
the
buildings
in
themselves
already
have
severe
impacts
on
the
adults
who
live
in
this
area.
Recently,
the
document
from
ttc
was
published,
revealing
that
the
main
bus
route
that
supports
this
neighborhood
has
purposeful
overcrowding.
G
This
would
target
the
weekdays,
such
as
midday
pm,
peak
and
early
evening,
and
42
of
the
neighborhood
is
of
working
age,
which
completely
excludes
the
teenagers
such
as
myself,
who
also
use
public
transit.
So
this
census
reveals
that
almost
50
percent
of
the
neighborhood
uses
public
transit
to
get
to
work
so
that
rounds
out
to
be
about
11,
000
people,
public
transit,
provides
the
basic
mobility
services.
G
So
to
end
this
point,
I
just
like
to
say
that
the
ontario
human
rights
commission
has
a
section
on
transit
and
humans
rights
where
it
was
the
principle
of
discrimination
that
can
acquire
from
failure
to
take
positive
steps
to
ensure
that
disadvantaged
groups
benefit
equally
from
the
services
offered.
So
the
general
public
is
widely
accepted
in
the
humans
rights
field.
This
subdivision,
this
subdivision
sees
a
burden,
does
not
address
the
burden
and
only
increases
the
burden,
so
in
my
opinion,
can
be
viewed
as
discrimination.
G
So
I'd
like
to
say
how
this
subdivision
would
personally
affect
me
and
other
teenagers,
so
I
can
assure
you
that
school
takes
a
huge
importance
in
my
life,
as
I
literally
had
a
midterm
yesterday
I
have
a
midterm
today
and
I
have
a
midterm
tomorrow.
So
I'd
like
to
say
that
the
proposal
does
mention
that
the
tdsb
won't
accept
students
going
to
grenoble
and
gateway.
G
I
don't
think
you
understand
that
simply
removing
grenoble
and
gateway
from
the
subdivision
does
not
remove
the
problems,
because
the
local
middle
school
valley
park
forces
students
to
take
lunch
periods
as
early
as
10
a.m
in
the
morning
and
as
late
as
2
p.m.
In
the
afternoon,
to
make
room
for
classes
in
the
school,
the
local
high
school
mark
garneau
is
so
crowded
that
some
students
have
resorted
to
eating
lunch
in
the
washroom.
G
Moving
on
35
percent
of
the
neighborhood
lives
in
poverty
and
almost
44
of
the
neighborhood
housing
is
unaffordable.
This
subdivision
will
only
increase
such
inequality
between
the
poverty
line
and
the
people
who
have
to
rely
on
the
government
for
support.
So
a
new
building
recently
called
the
sonic
building
has
a
starting
price
of
almost
one
million
dollars.
This
will
be
in
within
a
one
kilometer
range
of
where
the
subdivision
is
being
built
so
to
ignore
the
issue
of
overcrowding,
since
this
was
already
decided
before
having
more
socio-economically
privileged
families.
G
Move
into
this
neighborhood
skews
real
census
information
that
would
lower
the
already
little
funding
that
the
community
receives
to
help
subsidize
the
costs
for
the
35
percent
of
the
families
that
live
in
poverty
and
the
remaining
who
barely
hover
over
the
poverty
line.
In
addition,
these
three
buildings,
these
four
buildings,
will
be
built
nearby,
something
called
the
dennis
r
timberla
resource
center.
This
is
our
humble
local
community
center
that
has
a
facility
report
card
graded
by
the
city
with
almost
half
of
the
facilities
getting
a
secret.
G
G
So
I'm
sure
that
we're
going
to
see
another
one
building
the
subdivision
in
a
community
of
color
in
a
community
that
constantly
lacks
long-term
investment
and
third
and
has
a
third
living
under
poverty
line
during
the
cove
pandemic.
This
subdivision
will
only
make
it
harder
for
the
families
that
live
in
the
area
to
be
able
to
enjoy
the
space
around
them
without
having
to
be
cooped
up
at
home,
so
overcrowding,
an
already
overcrowded
neighborhood,
will
only
hurt
this
place
and
since
I'm
older.
G
E
G
Well,
the
rapid
transit
line
was
supposed
to
be
built.
Four
years
ago
it's
been
built,
it's
been
being
built
since
I
was
in
middle
school.
They
started
construction
as
I
was
in
middle
school
in
all
of
high
school.
The
eglinton
and
don
mills
intersection
has
been
lowered
to
two
lanes
and
in
some
cases
one
lane.
So
I
believe
that,
even
though
this
may
fix
it,
the
two
bus
routes
that
help
go
downtown
or
help
go
to
the
other
ttc
subway
stations
already
deal
with
from
the
ttc
report,
almost
60
000
people
per
day.
E
G
G
No,
because
what
you're
doing
is
that
you're
simply
pushing
the
problem
to
a
later
thing
into
a
later
point
right
now
we
have
valley
park
middle
school
and
don
mills
middle
school.
Both
of
them
are
reaching
over
capacity
for
high
schools.
We
have
mark
arno
and
don
mills
high
school,
both
of
them
are
reaching
over
capacity.
Donald's
high
school
literally
has
to
hold
classes
in
the
middle
school
building.
Another
building
to
support
not
just
one,
not
just
two,
not
three,
not
four,
but
five
new
buildings
will
only
increase
the
pressure
that
the
tdsb
deals
with.
E
Right,
mr
chair
I'll,
just
address
the
third
issue,
so
you
said:
there's
a
lack
of
community
center
space.
Is
that
true,
because
you
were
referring
to
yeah?
Are
you
aware
that
the
city
has
in
its
plans
to
build
the
largest
community
center
in
the
city
with
two
swimming
pools?
Two
gyms,
two,
two
ice
rinks
a
gym
next
to
a
very
large
park.
That's
going
to
be
accessible
to
the
flemington
community.
G
Councilman
I've
lived
in
this
neighborhood
for
my
entire
life
and
we've
been
trying
to
get
the
city
to
try
to
fund
our
community
our
community
center
for
over
18
years.
We've
had
the
fppa
having
to
hold
all
of
these
events
and
to
help
get
the
community
to
group
together,
but
the
city
has
never
once
made
any
large
contributions
to
our
community
center.
So
I
don't
believe
anything
until
I
actually
see
it
being
done.
E
H
Okay,
last
time
I
made
the
motion
for
the
meeting
to
be
adjourned
based
on
the
incorrect
information
and
preceding
information
that
was
submitted
by
the
city
clerk.
Now
we
received
another
notice.
Actually
we
received
for
the
first
time
written
notice
by
the
city
court
and
the
notice
still
contains
misleading
and
incorrect
information
under
the
planning
act.
The
city
is
required
to
hold
a
public
meeting
concerning
the
draft
one
of
subdivision
application,
number
19
and
so
on.
H
In
the
notice
dated
october
14
sent
to
the
residence
of
25
centennials
drive
the
city
road,
the
draft
one
of
subdivision
application
proposes
to
subdivide
the
land
to
the
to
create
the
fox,
which
includes
free
development
box,
a
public
park
book,
a
road
widening
block
and
a
new
public
street.
Further
the
notice
provided
provide
purpose
of
public
meeting.
Not
your
communities
cancel.
We
receive
input
and
review
the
proposal
and
any
other
material
placed
before
another.
H
H
H
That
is
the
case.
The
residents
who,
like
their
state
to
be
heard
and
considered
also
there
is
an
underground
parking
garage
used
by
the
residents,
which
might
be
impacted
by
the
proposed
draft
plan
to
divide
the
land.
If
that
is
the
case,
the
residents
would
like
their
say
to
be
heard,
also
heard
and
consider.
H
F
You
I
I
do
and
I'm
wondering
if,
if
the
residents
can
just
make
clear
for
me,
I'm
struggling
with
this
because
we're
dealing
with
a
with
a
a
development
that
is
already
through
the
initial
application
phase
that
that
was
approved
in
a
previous
term
of
office
by
this
council.
I
went
through
north
york,
community
council,
but
it
has
already
been
approved,
and
this
is
a
later
phase.
The
draft
plan,
the
subdivision,
simply
deals
with
the
conditions
around
that
construction
and
and
and
survey
issues,
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
F
F
H
Yes,
yes,
okay,
I
think
it
was
clear
what
information
is
missing
and
I
would
like
to
ask
you:
would
you
please
tell
the
participant
on
this
meeting
where
the
information?
Where
is
the
draft
one?
I
already
point
it
out
to
you
and
can
please
point
out:
where
is
this
draft
fund,
how
we
would
have
an
idea?
Actually
we
are
allowed
and
we
are
entitled
to
see
how
you
intend
to
fight
this
land
where
so
you.
F
F
Because
draft
plan
of
subdivision
is
a
terminology
we
use
for
the
the
later
step
that
we're
going
through
now,
but
the
draft
plan
of
this
whole
neighborhood
development
is
is
subject
to
a
very
long
and
thick
report.
I
remember
it
and-
and
you
can
look
at
it
by
looking
at
the
attachments
and
as
as
the
local
council
now,
the
present
local
council
points
out
in
attachment.
Seven
of
this
report
is
the
draft
plan
of
this
neighborhood
that
has
already
been
approved
and
all
the
details
that
you
need
of
what
what
was
approved
are
there.
H
H
This
is
the
only
information
actually
link.
I
would
say
where
the
residents
reasonably
expect
to
see
the
mass
model.
You
have
an
idea,
as
I
said
how
you
plan.
What
is
the
draft
plan?
What
is
that
one
include
in
this
subdivision
and
when
you
visit
I'm
quite
sure
that
you
have
never
attempted
to
take
this
link,
but
it
is
in
the
submission
when
you
try
to
connect
and
to
find
the
information
we
are
talking
about.
That
is
the
subject
matter
this
issue.
H
You
receive
a
message
from
the
server
that
says
we
are
having
trouble
finding
that
site
or
cannot
reach
good
website.
This
information,
this
fake
link,
was
on
the
first
notice
time
and
then
on
the
notice
that
was
made
out
to
all
residents
so
you're.
Yet
again.
The
issue
here
is
the
fury
referring
to
information
that
is
unaccessible
and
that
was
not
included
in
this
written
notices.
So
don't
expect
the
people
to
go
and
delve
into
all
this
documentation.
H
F
No,
it's
not
time
quibbling,
I'm
trying
to
understand
where
the,
where
the
the
gaps
in
in
our
communication
or
gaps
in
understanding
are
in
your
submission.
What
you're
talking
about
is
the
thing
that,
on
the
sign
talks
about
if
you'd
like
to
see
a
3d
version
of
the
massing-
and
I
will
agree
with
you
that
that
the
3d
massing
open
data
portal
is
fallible
at
times
and
that's
probably
what
the
the
local
council
is
going
to
be
asking
questions
about.
F
But
the
the
the
the
bulk
of
the
information
is
in
this
actual
report,
which
I
believe
is
also
mentioned
in
in
our
signs.
When
we,
when
we
give
notice
of
a
draft
plan
a
subdivision
when
people
receive
notice,
they
don't
get
all
those
pages
because
we're
trying
to
reduce
the
amount
of
paper
that's
being
spent
and
going
out.
But
would
you
agree
that
there's
also
a
link
to
the
report
that
we're
considering.
H
D
B
I
would
simply
ask
just
very
quickly
and
I'm
reading
for
your
submission
in
here
your
your
argument
here
there
was
that
there
was
a
lack
of
of
detail
in
public
notifications
and
that
when
you
tried
to
contact
city
staff,
they
wouldn't
answer
or
they
wouldn't
respond.
Is
that
is
that
what
you're
saying.
D
G
F
B
E
Yeah,
so
this
probably
is
either
the
clerk
or
legal.
This
was
on
the
last
agenda
because
there's
a
complaint
by
one
of
the
deputies
that
proper
notice
wasn't
sent
out
so
to
remedy
that
we
deferred.
The
reason
why
it's
come
to
this
meeting
is
because
we
took
the
time
to
correct
that
problem
by
by
by
sending
out
the
notice
that
what
wasn't
properly
sent
out
the
last
time
is,
that
is,
that
a
fair
characterization.
D
E
So
so
that
was
done,
so
we
sent
it
to
the
residence
building
right
right,
so
we've
we've
we're
sure
and
and
in
terms
of
the
materials
you
know
with
regard
to
the
subdivision,
all
that
agreement
and
all
the
requirements
and
the
drawings.
That's
all
within
the
report.
That's
on
the
city.
That's
attached
to
this
agenda
meeting
it's
on
the
city's
website
and
for
consideration
at
this
meeting.
Correct!
E
F
Thank
you.
Yes,
I
have
a
question
about
the
sign
itself
and
I
know
that
this
is
tricky,
because
there
are
actually
legislative
guidelines
around
what
a
sign
has
to
say,
but
I'm
a
little
frustrated
in
that,
while
the
sign
clearly
points
out
that
that
the
the
application
has
already
been
approved
by
the
provincial
authority
called
the
local
planning
appeal.
D
Pretty
much
here,
I
believe
that
the
information
on
the
sign
on
the
bottom
is
the
information
that
we
believe
directs
people
to
the
bulk
of
the
information.
So
there's
the
community
planning,
name
and
number
the
individual
plan,
yes
and
then
there's
the
application
information
center
and
that's
the
link
that
would
lead
you
to
all
the
plans
and
everything
that's
been
submitted.
F
F
So
the
question
is
this:
when
we
sent
a
notice
to
the
residents,
that's
that's
that's
a
little
more
our
design.
I
don't
know
that.
I
don't
know
if
it
has
legislative
guidelines
about
how
you,
how
you
form
that
that
notice
to
the
residents,
but
did
that
did
that
have
a
clear
explanation
of
how
you
get
to
the
links
and
if
you
can't
get
to
the
links,
here's
the
number
to
call
is
the
planner's
name
there.
The
planner's
name.
D
Is
on
the
notice
that
went
out
to
the
individual
residents,
I
don't
see
the
same
link
to
the
information
center.
As
you
said,
the
this
notice
is
a
bit
more
of
a
creation
of
our
own,
but
the
planner's
name
and
telephone
number
and
email
address
are
all
listed
as
well
as
okay.
So
description
of
the
subdivision
itself.
E
Please
yeah
I'm
happy
to
move
the
report.
I
will
briefly
say
that
I
I
am
aware
that
there
are
many
different
issues
in
the
flaming
community,
but
I
think
actually,
in
terms
of
investment,
this
this
area
is
getting
getting
more
investment
planned
over
the
next
number
of
years
than
anywhere
else
in
the
city.
I
would
imagine
not
not
only
and
what
the
first
deputy
reminded
me
that
I
didn't
even
mention
that
they're
getting
the
eglinton
crosstown
that's
going
to
deal
with
transit
right,
seven
billion
dollar
project.
E
The
ontario
line
is
planned.
There's
going
to
be
a
stop.
Two
stops
one
at
the
end
at
eglinton
and
dawn
mills,
road,
that's
going
to
create
a
transit
hub
and
the
second
one
is
going
to
be
in
the
flemington
community
they're
getting
two
two
two
stops.
If
it's
that's
that
that's
going
to
go
south,
so
that's
fantastic
and
that's
another
part
of
a
multi-billion
dollar
project.
E
I
am
aware
that
schools
are
crowded,
but
but
this
council
entered
into
an
agreement
with
the
toronto
district
school
board
to
build
a
brand
new
school
within
the
podium
of
a
city
property
at
the
southwest
corner
of
of
dawn
mills
and
eglinton,
so
check
that
box
in
terms
of
addressing
educational
issues
and
then
in
terms
of
recreational
services.
You
know
I
we're
all
aware
that
many
of
our
community
centers
need
to
be
fixed,
but
we're
building
the
biggest.
Hopefully,
the
biggest
community
center
in
the
city
check
that
box.
E
So
those
are
all
new
investments
and
is
there
going
to
be
new
new
development
in
the
area
yeah?
There
absolutely
is
why?
Because
all
these
new,
all
these
new
projects
there,
all
that
investment
and
people
want
to
live
in
that
community.
So
just
very
briefly
to
the
you
know
the
draft
plan
of
subdivision.
E
E
B
C
Yeah,
okay,
I
just
want
to
say
yeah.
I
wish
I
was
getting
a
50
billion
billion
dollar
community
center
with
two
pools
in
my
area
of
the
city
and
two
subways
middle
school.
So
could
you
please
share
the
wealth
there,
counselor
and
mom
I'd
love
to
have
that
there
and
in
ward
8.,
but
I
just
want
to
say
I
think
it
sort
of
brings
to
light
two
issues.
First
of
all
is
that
all
these
amazing
investments
are
being
made
in
this
area
of
don
mills
and
eglinton.
C
C
I
think
we
have
to
repeatedly
get
that
information
about
these
new
investments
out
into
the
community
in
better
ways,
especially
now
as
a
result
of
covet
that
we
can't
have
public
meetings
so
and
then
we've
got
the
issue
of
you
know
virtual
meetings,
which
are
very
limiting
because
a
lot
of
people
don't
have
access
to
all
this
digital
media,
and
so,
I
think,
as
an
advisory
to
our
planning
department
and
other
north
york
community
council
clerk's
office.
We've
got
to
find
a
more
robust
way
of
getting
information
through
more
detailed
mailings,
multiple
millions.
C
I
don't
know
what
the
answer
is
out
to
people
given
we're
gonna,
be
in
this
coveted
lockdown
for
the
next
couple
of
years.
So
I
would.
I
would
also
say
that
it
brings
up
the
other
issue
about
the
complexity
of
the
planning
approval
process,
as
you
can
see
by
the
the
deputies,
making
their
honest
pleas
for
more
information.
More
explanation,
I
I
think,
there's
a
real
lack
of
ability
for
the
public
and
all
of
us
to
understand
the
complexity
of
the
planning
process.
B
B
So
I
congratulate
the
local
counselor
on
his
achievement
in
building
such
a
strong
community
there
and-
and
I
hope
I
hope
in
the
future
as
these
things
get
built,
the
local
community
sees
how
lucky
they
are
and
how
precious
these
resources
are,
because
the
rest
of
us
would
like
like
them
as
well.
So
with
that,
I
will,
I
will
leave
it.
Did
the
local
council
want
to
move
the
recommendations.
D
B
B
B
B
J
Good
morning,
mr
chairman
and
members
of
committee,
this
is
an
application
for
a
nine-story
mid-rise
building,
27
meters
in
height,
which
is
the
width
of
the
o'connor
drive,
right-of-way
and
planned
in
accordance
with
the
city's
official
plan
policies,
the
mid-rise
guidelines,
the
applicable
cytenaria
specific
policies
and
the
o'connor
drive
design
guidelines,
all
of
which
have
planned
for
a
mid-rise
development
in
this
location.
Since
2012.
J
report
before
you
today
is
for
direction
on
attendance
at
the
lpat
hearing
and
to
initiate
mediation
in
advance
of
the
hearing,
we've
already
advised
staff
if
we're
willing
to
participate
in
mediation
of
this
matter.
Despite
what
the
report
says,
we're
actually
not
very
far
apart
on
design
matters,
the
reason
for
this
delegation
is
with
respect
to
the
staff
recommendation
that
an
h,
a
holding
provision
be
applied
to
the
land
missile.
J
J
J
J
J
J
The
realignment
of
o'connor
drive
goes
through
o'connor
drive
and
there
is
no
land
for
a
mid-rise
development.
If
the
realignment
of
a
conor
drive
proceed,
the
recommendation
that
any
approved
zoning
bylaw
contain
a
holding
symbol
until
substantial
completion
of
the
municipal
class
environmental
assessment
study
for
the
gold
mile
area
is
an
inappropriate
and
incorrect
use
of
the
holding
provisions.
J
J
J
J
E
I
E
I
Yes,
the
preferred
option
is
through
the
site.
I
mean.
Another
option
would
be
a
do
nothing
option
where
they
don't
put
it
through
the
site,
so
the
recommendation
of
the
hold
is
is
to
figure
out
exactly
the
road
realignment
and
how
it
may
or
may
not
impact
this
property
staff
have
advised
me
that
at
the
pre-application
meeting,
the
the
road
realignment
issue
was
discussed
with
the
applicant
as
well.
E
E
Okay,
good,
so
the
arrangement
would
be
now
be.
You
know
if,
if
I
had,
if
someone
had
owned
that
property
and
they
knew
that
that
was
one
of
the
options
to
come
in
with
a
redevelopment,
application
would
significantly
increase,
if
approved
the
value
of
that
property
and
if
the
environment,
if
one
of,
if
that
option
was
chosen,
then
then
that
land
would
be
as
expropriated
and
the
city
would
have
to
pay
that
increased
value
from
from
that
applicant,
because
there
there
would
be
additional
density
on
the
site.
Is
that
correct.
I
E
In
the
report,
mr
chair,
I
don't
love
this
application.
I
don't
love
it
at
all.
Just
because
of
what
I
see
is
a
potential,
what
you
know,
what
they're
potentially
doing,
which
mean
which
is
they're,
taking
a
property
that
was
previously
undervalued.
They
found
out
that
the
city
was
potentially
going
to
put
a
road
through
a
property,
and
so
they
filed
an
application
that
they
may
never
build
and
will
actually
end
up
paying
for
it,
which
I
first
I
I
personally
as
a
local
counselor
as
a
taxpayer.
B
D
B
B
B
B
B
K
Thank
you.
My
name
is
donna
wilson
and
I
live
on
randolph
road.
This
is
the
street
that
is
just
west
of
lair
today,
we're
here
speaking
to
you
about
two
proposed
developments
at
126
through
to
132,
laird,
laird
road,
and
I'm
here
today
representing
the
views
and
opinions
of
the
residents
on
randolph
road
and
as
a
community
as
community.
We
have
gathered
together
some
issues
and
concerns
that
we
have
regarding
this
development,
specifically
how
this
will
impact
their
from
millwood
to
south
bale.
K
B
B
K
And
we
recognize
that,
but
as
a
community,
we
wanted
to
have
a
few
of
the
issues
that
we
currently
see
with
the
application
put
forward
just
for
to
be
recognized
and
on
record.
So
I
will
be
very
brief
in
my
speaking.
I
won't.
I
won't
go
through
these
seven
slides,
but
basically
the
issues
that
we
have
in
hand
are
the
proposed
building
heights
and
setbacks.
K
This
is
a
very
small
footprint
and
really
these
these
angular
planes
and
these
setbacks
really
need
to
be
considered
throughout
this
process
as
well,
the
in
the
front.
If
we
reduce
the
setback
in
the
front,
we
will
no
longer
have
any
treescape
because
of
the
minimized
one
meter
down
or
three
meters
down
to
one
meter,
our
biggest
concern,
or
one
of
our
biggest
concerns
is
the
mid-rise
wall
on
laird
there.
This
these
two
properties
on
the
mazda
dealership
location,
will
be
property
number
three
and
four
along
the
layered
drive.
K
We
are
now
creating
a
wall,
a
long
laird.
This
will
set
precedence
for
further
development
south
along
laird.
This
is
not
in
keeping
with
the
lee
side
community
and
what
we
are
looking
for.
Currently,
that's
the
the
properties
that
have
already
been
proposed
and
agreed
to
and
are
already
starting
in
construction
are
seven
and
eight
nine
stories
high.
K
If
we
continue
this
path,
which
this
start,
these
two
buildings
with
eight
eight
to
nine
floors
high
and
then
subsequently
more
buildings
of
the
same
structure
along
their
drive,
we're
just
creating
one
large
wall,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
the
community
is
not
happy
about
that.
We
need
to
think
about
how
this
looks
on
the
west
side.
We
have
all
these
nine
stories
and
on
the
east
side,
we
have
two
story
buildings.
This
is
not
proper
land.
This
is
not
proper
urban
design.
These
need
to
be
considered
as
well
within
the
unit.
K
We
need
to
look
at
fewer
units
and
we
need
to
consider
the
bylaws
which
speak
to
whether
we
have
commercial
on
the
lower
level
plus
the
residential
on
the
upper
level.
These
things
need
to
be
taken
into
consideration,
as
well
as
the
servicing
there's
water
tables
underneath
these
buildings,
and
how
does
this
impact
the
the
servicing
for
the
rest
for
the
community?
B
D
L
L
L
L
The
new
developments
are
4.21
and
4.13
which
exceed
the
the
earlier
development,
which
is
3.48
despite
being
further
away
over
700
meters
from
the
lrt
station.
So
we're
concerned
that
the
the
so-called
mid-rise
march
of
sets
of
so-called
complementary
buildings
and
developers
building
to
the
guidelines
may
be
at
risk
of
producing
a
street
wall
comprised
of
non-descript
and
repetitious
developments.
L
L
Thirdly,
in
terms
of
the
animation
of
the
street,
while
the
layered
mid-rise
development
like
bayview,
are
in
the
mix
mixed-use
designation,
unlike
bayview,
they
have
no
retailer
grade
currently
being
totally
residential
or
institutional
in
the
case
of
146
150
lead,
which
is,
has
the
seniors
rental
building
their
buildings
on.
On
the
one
hand,
this
is
understandable,
given
that
the
other
side
of
layout
is
now
lively,
converted
to
large-scale
retail
commercial
uses,
including
the
smart
center
and
the
layered
village
with
its
longos.
L
However,
the
accepted
wisdom
regarding
the
purpose
of
retailer
grade
is
to
create
an
animated,
vibrant
community
friendly
streetscape.
So,
if
not
retail,
how
can
the
desirable
condition
be
realized?
The
126,
the
two
buildings
complicated
are
both
proposing
live
work
units
fronting
on
led,
it's
unclear
whether
and
how
these
would
produce
the
desired
result.
L
Perhaps
there
should
be
a
consideration
of
alternative
uses
such
as
community
or
medical
services.
Fourthly,
the
neighbors
at
the
rear
and
you've
heard
from
them.
What
is
the
impact
on
the
residential
properties
to
the
rear,
we'll
be
working
closely
with
randolph
road
neighbors,
both
east
and
west
sides,
to
ensure
that
the
setbacks
are
appropriate
and
overlook
over
the
neighboring
residential
properties
is
limited.
L
L
Frankly,
this
is
disappointing
as
the
applicant
committed
to
us
in
a
pre-application
meeting
over
a
year
ago
that
they
would
be
compliant
with
the
policies
and
guidelines
in
place.
We
did
not
expect
them
to
appeal
the
policies
that
were
being
put
in
place
point
seven,
toronto,
green
standards,
the
applicant
commits
only
to
to
to
green
standard
tier
one.
L
L
Yeah
and
I'll
only
be
another
couple
of
minutes
anyway.
Okay,
so
the
the
number
seven
was
the
green
sanders,
they're
they're
only
committing
to
tier
one,
which
is
the
mandatory
minimum.
We
would
support
the
development
being
built
to
a
much
higher
tier
to
appreciably,
reduce
or
eliminate
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
L
L
L
L
B
F
Yeah
just
a
quick
question,
because
I
I
I
I
share
the
the
resident's
concern
while
we're
at
the
preliminary
phase,
I
want
to
highlight
things
that
so
they
actually
get
talked
about
during
this
phase
and
and-
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I
I
know
the
local
counselor
is
probably
listening
to
the
meeting
as
well
jeff.
I
wonder
if
you
could
tell
us
when
I
saw
liv
work
here.
I
thought
fine.
F
If
you
really
mean
live
work
and
your
your
your
vast
knowledge
is
probably
such
that
that
that
you
would
know
about
this
and
share
my
concern.
We
we
talk
about
live
work
units,
but
we
don't
lay
down
conditions
as
firmly
as
as
has
been
done
in
the
uk,
where
live
work.
Units
really
guarantee
give
us
a
way
of
guaranteeing
that
we
have
some
management
of
making
sure
that
retail
is
is
local.
Business
incentivizing
has
some
sort
of
design
element
to
it.
F
Live
work
units,
for
instance
there
in
the
planning
approval,
it's
it's
laid
down
in
law.
If
you're
not
going
to
use
the
work
part
of
the
unit,
you
have
to
rent
it
out
as
a
work.
Part
of
the
unit
so
that,
if
you're
trying
to
create
like
a
fashion
village
or
something
like
that,
something
that
that
is
sort
of
missing
from
lee's
side
now
and
and
might
work
that
we
lay
that
down
during
this
development
process.
L
To
be
honest,
counselor
carol,
we
we're
really
not.
You
know
we
really
haven't
had
time
or
or
been
able
to
talk
to
anybody
about
what
this
concept
means.
We
are
familiar
with
the
retailer
grade.
You
know
on
bayview
and
mount
pleasant,
and
so
on.
That's
been
the
predominant
issue.
It's
how
do
you
you
know?
How
do
you
make
sure
that
the
retail
happens?
L
I
don't
know
if
the
city
has
any
any
vision
or
any
guidelines
on,
as
you
say,
on
live
work
across
the
road
is
the
least
side
business
park,
and
we
probably
would
what
we
should
be
doing
here
is
entering
into
some
discussion
with
the
least
side
business
park
association
to
make
sure
that
you
know
that
there
is
some
communication
there.
There
are
people
very
interested
in
in
in
reviewing
the
effect
of
you
know
the
of
the
lrt
and
so
on
revitalizing
the
lisa
business
park.
B
F
F
Thanks
just
a
quick
question
because
we're
at
the
preliminary
phase,
but
but
as
you
go
into
consultation
with
this
community,
I
I
wonder:
if
staff
heard
my
my
my
question
of
mr
kettle,
what
I
was
getting
at
is
there's
a
growing.
You
know
suspicion
with
with
the
with
residents
in
the
downtown
core
I've
had
people
talk
to
me
about
this
yeah
you
say
live
work,
but
what
does
that
mean?
There's
a
live
work
unit.
F
Then
they
call
it
a
studio
and
then
they
cover
it
over
with
with
thick
blinds,
and
it's
not
really
animating
anything.
So
do
we
have
in
our
retail
guidance
or
do
we
have
the
potential
here
as
we
go
forward?
You
have
lots
of
issues
here
that
the
residents
have
raised
height
and
massing,
but
is
there
is
there
the
ability,
within
the
consideration
of
an
application,
to
set
some
guidelines
so
that
live
work
really
means
live
work?
F
And
then,
referring
to
that
that
that
you
know
growing
thing,
that's
happened
in
london
uk
in
the
spitalfields
area
out
in
the
suburbs,
where
live
work
means
if
you're
not
using
the
work
unit
to
animate
the
street.
You
got
to
let
it
out
to
someone
who
does
if
you
like
your
shop
but
you're,
not
living
behind.
Then
you
have
to
rent
that
out
to
someone
as
housing.
Do
we
have
the
ability
to
negotiate
that
in
these
applications,
as
we
go.
I
Through
you,
mr
mr
chair
and
the
the
the
application
I
mean
we
have
raised
land
use
as
an
issue
in
the
prelim
report.
On
page
six,
the
layered
in
focus,
citing
area
specific
policy,
speaks
to
grade,
speaks
to
active
uses
for
buildings
along
their
drive,
including
commercial
office,
institutional
and
it's
a
way
to
animate
the
street.
So
that
was
part
of
the
the
the
division
four
layered
drive.
I
This
live
work
concept
that
the
application
that
the
applicant
has
just
introduced
is
something
we
haven't
really
explored
with
them
and
it's
something
we'll
explore
moving
forward
and
that's
why
the
land
use
section
was
flagged
under
the
prelim
report
to
have
a
closer
look
at
that
to
make
sure
that
the
space
is
animated.
So
exactly
as
you
said,
it
doesn't
get
closed
off
and
it's
not
animated
and
active
to
the
street.
D
Through
you,
mr
chair,
I
would
just
add
to
that
by
saying
that
I
don't
think
the
planning
act
gives
us.
You
know
the
kind
of
authority
you're
looking
for
to
compel
someone
to
lease
out
a
bottom
portion
if
they
don't
use
it.
For
example,
we
can
look
into
that,
but
I
you
know
just
sort
of
my
gut
understanding
of
it
is
probably
that's
not
the
case.
You
know
that
said
there
are
a
lot
of
design.
D
Considerations
need
to
put
into
live
work
before
you
could
rightly
consider
it
live
work,
but
you
actually
do
need
that
larger
floor
to
ceiling
heights
on
the
ground
floor.
You
know
if
it
was
a
three
meter
ground
floor.
That's
not
going
to
be
a
live
work
unit
like
we
kind
of
know
that,
and
also
you
would
want
for
for
accessibility
reasons,
the
entrance
to
come
flush.
You
know
typically
counselor,
you
would
know
on
a
residential
building.
You
have
a
couple
steps
up
to
to
a
front
door.
Can't
have
that
for
excuse.
D
Me
can't
really
have
that
for
a
live
work
unit.
You
actually
need
it
to
be
accessible
right.
So
those
are
the
third
and
we
could
probably
use
the
zoning
bylaw
to
zone
that
area.
You
know
on
the
ground
floor
for
retail
commercial,
whatever
you
want
to
do
it,
so
there
are
tools
in
the
toolbox,
but
you
know
the
kind
of
thing
you
specifically
asked
for.
I
don't
believe
so.
F
But
you're
you're
not
going
to
let
them
use
the
term
live
work
lightly.
They
they
can't
just
sort
of
finesse
their
way
through
you're
you're
you're.
You
have
you
have
the
ability
to
say
you
still
have
to
meet
the
guidelines
if
you're,
if
you're
turning
this
into
a
high
street
or
shopping
high
street,
that's
got
to
be
that
you're
not
going
to
let
them
just
sort
of
fudge
their
way
through
saying
live.
Work!
F
B
B
F
B
B
Okay,
I
guess
we've
given
that
enough
time,
all
right,
counselor
carol,
you
wanted
to
move
the
recommendations
on
number
six
sure.
Okay,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
that
is
carried
now
counter
cole.
You
had
asked,
and
it
is
a
time
guidance
for
10
a.m.
It's
a
demolition
at
a
number
of
addresses,
wenderly
and
marley.
F
C
B
B
B
B
D
B
M
M
M
I
B
M
M
B
F
Yes,
thank
you
so
the
looking
at
the
the
chart,
I
always
struggle
with
this
a
little
bit
looking
at
the
chart
of
the
the
implications
here,
the
the
the
challenge
to
the
policy
here.
Am
I
reading
it
right
when
I,
when
I
see
the
deficiency
here,
is
the
solid
cement
material,
that's
one,
but
but
also
also
that
it's
pretty
close
to
the
sidewalk
it's
supposed
to
be
set
back
further.
Are
those
two
main
considerations.
A
Good
morning
through
you,
mr
chair
hi,
good
morning,
so
there's
a
couple
of
things
that
need
to
be
considered
here.
So
there's
a
portion
of
that
fence
that
is
actually
residing
on
city
property,
but
the
issues
at
hand
with
municipal
licensing
and
standards
are
strictly
on
the
private
side.
So
there's
two
issues
the
height
and
also
the
construction.
So
because
it's
within
2.4
meters
of
a
lot
line,
the
construction
has
to
be
open,
open
construction.
A
Now
right,
the
third
component,
which
I
we
couldn't
address
in
in
the
staff
report
other
than
to
mention
it-
was
the
fact
that
there's
a
portion
of
it
that
resides
on
city
party,
for
which
was
addressed
with
our
colleagues
and
transportation
services,
and
if
it
was
to
be
approved,
then
they
wouldn't
require
an
encroachment
agreement.
I
did
do
a
follow-up
this
morning
to
see
if
there
was
an
encroachment
agreement
and
to
my
understanding
no,
there
has
not
been
one
applied
for
and
further
to
that.
F
It
does
it's
it's
very
helpful
now
mr
pozo
also
speaks
to
having
stole
these
before
or
not
had
a
problem,
and
we
have
allowed
variances
in
the
bridal
path
area
in
the
the
area
off
of
bayview
is
part
of
the
issue
here
that
we're
talking
about
on
bayview,
it's
a
front
yard
on
bayview,
because
I
go
up
and
down
on
google
maps
using
the
3d
attachment.
I
go
up
and
down
both
sides
of
the
street
and
where
we
have,
we
have
allowed
fence.
F
Variances
drake's
fence
is
the
most
famous
example,
but
where
we've
allowed
these
things,
it's
never
been
out
here
on
bayview,
which
is
essentially
a
highway,
is
that
is
the
highway?
The
the
other
issue
that
that
they're
they're,
putting
this
front
yard
fence,
dense
construction
on
a
major
road
like
that.
A
And
that
would
not
be
an
issue
with
municipal
licensing
and
standards.
It
would
be.
There
would
be
no
difference
if
it
was
on
on
side
street
or
on
a
principal
street,
where
I
think
the
answer
would
would
be
more
appropriate
would
be
with
my
colleagues
in
transportation
services
because
it
is
a
principal
street
and
there
is
the
potential
of
a
sight
line,
obstruction
for
pedestrians
and
vehicles.
F
Right,
and
so
my
last
question
mr
chair
is
when
we
do
do
variances.
When
I
go
up
and
down
the
street,
it
would
appear
that
council
has
been
very
consistent
where,
if
they
have
been
applied
for
we've,
been
very
consistent
in
that,
if
you're
off
the
main
road
there
have
been
variances
from
time
to
time
on
higher
wrought
iron,
dense
construction
like
this,
provided
it's
set
back,
we've
made
all
sorts
of
conditions
and
variances,
but
never
on
debut.
F
If
we
were
to
say
yes
to
this
one,
have
we
now
set
a
president
that
that
that
challenges
us
every
time
we
would
receive
another
variance
on
baby
avenue,
given
that
we've
been
so
consistent
and
even
ep
taylor
mansion
doesn't
even
have
a
dense
construction
fence
like
this.
Would
we
be
opening
ourselves
up
if
we
start
down
that
road
on
bayview.
F
Are
we
opening
ourselves
up
to
a
challenge
if
we
allow
this
variance
on
an
avenue
where
we
haven't
thus
far,
I
went
up
and
down
the
street
3d
google
mapping
all
the
way
down
to
ep
taylor
and
back
up
to
the
401..
We
haven't
done
this
on
debut.
If
we
do
this
one,
are
we
going
down
a
road?
That's
going
to
be
a
problem
for
us.
A
B
Yeah
just
very
quickly
for
for
staff,
so
I've
looked
over
these
photographs
here
and
if
we
turn
down
the
application
today,
you
have
to
take
a
jackhammer
to
this
thing.
It's
a
it's
like
a
berlin
wall.
Here
I
mean
it's
quite
attractive,
but
that's
a
that's
a
major
structure
there,
but
they
have
to
tear
the
whole
thing
down.
Is
that
is
that
what
we're
dealing
with
here.
A
A
B
B
B
F
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
will
move
the
the
first
recommendation
that
that
we
have,
which
is
to
refuse
the
the
application
for
the
fence.
You've
heard
the
the
the
number
of
issues,
and
this
is
what
happens
when
we
do
allow
a
variance
that
right
next
door
is
a
wood
fence
that
that
had
to
go
through,
and
I
wasn't
really
in
favor
of
that
one
either
and
because
it
because
of
the
way
we
have
held
such
a
beautiful
tree-lined
landscape
on
bayview
avenue.
F
So
the
the
fact
that
we
have
hung
on
to
that
principle
until
that
wood
fence
next
door
to
this
one
went
in
it
just
goes
to
show
you.
When
you
go
down
this
road,
you
you
lose
it
all,
and
this
is
a
cement
structure
right
up
to
the
sidewalk.
Yes,
they
need
an
encroachment
agreement.
If
you
read
the
report,
they've
already
been
told
that
that
they've
got
to
deal
with
transportation
and
get
an
encroachment
agreement
to
have
that
cement
structure
on
there,
but
they're
likely
not
to
get
it.
F
F
I'm
moving
refuse
the
application
for
an
exemption,
because
I,
I
really
think
we've
got
to
hold
on
to
what
we
have
in
bayview
avenue
it.
It
is
the
jewel
of
north
york,
promenade
avenues,
avenues
and-
and
we
really
ought
to
try
and
keep
it-
that's
an
avenue-
that's
being
intensified
with
with
high-end
town
houses
where,
even
though
we
didn't
even
want
that,
but
at
least
even
those
new
construction
townhouses
are
having
some
respect
for
the
frontage,
and
I
think
we
have
to
hold
on
to
that.
B
B
B
B
So
this
number
19
just
for
clarity's
sake.
This
is
my
item,
any
questions
for
staff,
just
a
signage
change
for
cycling.
I
can
just
speak
very
briefly
on
this.
If
you're
driving,
north
or
south
on
yeomans,
as
you
reach,
shepard,
there's
one
of
those
arrows
with
a
line
through
it.
No
vehicles
can
actually
go
into
the
the
neighborhoods
there.
They
must
left
the
right.
B
B
F
Yes,
just
quickly,
mr
speaker,
this
is
this
is
really
a
request
for
for
study.
It
gives
staff
direction.
We
we
have
a.
We
have
a
dead-end
cul-de-sac,
that's
that's
it's!
It's
a
very
blind
spot
that
goes
around
behind
some
houses
and
then
gives
access
to
the
ravine,
and
it
it
has
over
time,
turned
into
somewhat
of
a
nocturnal
playground.
F
But
all
this
motion
does
is:
give
staff
direction.
It's
going
to
take
some
study
to
figure
out
how
to
trim
that
cul-de-sac
and
take
away
the
blind
spot
that
that
police
are
having
trouble
monitoring,
and
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
staff
have
direction
to
do
that.
Work.
Not
just
have
me
hounding
them
to
do
something
that
isn't
in
our
work
plan.