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North York Community Council, meeting 27, January 16, 2018
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0:25:20 - Call to order
A
B
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Apologize
for
being
late,
I
was
visiting
the
school
where
our
six-year-old
girl
died.
Last
yesterday
afternoon,
after
school
was
let
out.
I
am
sure
you
saw
her
in
the
new
st.
Raphael's
school
and
the
parents
have
said
that
they
are
discussing
today
whether
they're
going
to
ask
North
York
Community
Council,
to
move
emotion
before
noon
today
about
parking
at
their
site,
so
I'm,
just
waiting
for
that
and
I've
advised
the
the
lead
in
transportation.
On
my
way
in.
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This
special
events-
yes
with
the
single
amendment
that
item
2
in
the
special
events
for
our
meeting
community
center
Summerfest,
yeah
I'm,
sorry
I,
haven't
got
the
written
amendment
for
you
here,
because
I'm
scrambling
to
keep
up
the
amendment
that
Sunday
July
15th
from
5:00
to
1:00
a.m.
be
changed
to
5:00
to
midnight.
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C
You
want
me
to
read
on
what
they
aren't.
One
is
Ancaster
road
in
Regent
Road
one
is
no
parking
on
Compton
Crescent.
One
is
parking
amendments
on
victory,
drive-in
one
is
always
compulsory.
Stop
control
at
Tavistock
and
Lex
field.
One
is
parking
amendments
on
Tom,
Payne,
Street,
one
is
parking
amendments
in
the
Downs,
your
neighborhood
and
the
other
one
okay.
So
that's
me
all
in
favor
opposed
carry
now
is
councillor
Burnside
on
Malcolm
Road.
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Shiner
we're
waiting
to
hear
from
I
have
a
question.
There's
a
question
of
the
mover
where
the
area
a
double
hockey
sticks
is
old.
Sheppard
Avenue,
Sheppard
Avenue,
as
you
know,
is
a
major
Road
that
we
all
know.
Old
Shepherd
is
about
two
blocks
north
and
it
runs
from
Victoria
Park
to
a
side
street
called
Muirhead.
It
also
has
a
cross
section
called
Bryan
Drive
that
has
already
been
changed
to
40
kilometers.
This
makes
it
a
40
kilometer.
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Okay,
this
is
complicated,
so
I
need
a
formal
motion
to
reopen
and
a
2/3
vote.
It's
the
the
changes
because
of
the
hospital
that
were
put
that
we're
put
into
the
local
community.
As
you
know,
when
a
hospital
is
put
in
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
and
we'll
Park
and
park
on
local
roads
instead
of
paying
for
parking,
so
I'll
move
a
reopening
all
in
favor
opposed
carried
and
we
need
2/3.
Yes,
we
need
a
show
of
hands
to
show
2/3
support.
K
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Me,
you
are
the
mover,
yeah
I,
just
wasn't
the
yes.
In
fact,
I've
had
probably
about
15
consultations
with
the
community.
This
is
a
grassroots
initiative.
There's
a
condominium
going
in
on
the
street,
which
was
fiercely
opposed
by
the
community.
They
lost,
and
there
are
some
major
safety
concerns
about
the
configuration
before
construction.
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Carroll.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Without
a
report
I
don't
know
that
because
the
first
recommendation
is
an
actual
permanent
road
alteration,
so
I
don't
have
a
report
of
the
financial
impact
who
is
gonna
be
footing
the
bill
here.
This
is
this
is
a
something
needed
as
a
result
of
a
condominium
development.
Is
the
condominium
developer
paying
for
this?
No.
D
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It
was
another
staff
member
on
the
ground,
but
these
alterations
were
they
also
related
to
the
alterations
done
at
the
intersection
of
Millwood
and
Laird,
which
was
a
city
part
of
the
road
safety
plan
and
was
a
sort
of
a
byproduct
of
that
or
related
to
that,
and
we
had
not
so
much
to
that
I
thing
to
do
with
the
condominium
and
placating
condo
owners
who
have
not
even
bought
units.
This
was
more
about
they
read.
This
was
the
impetus
for
this
was
actually
the
re-engineering
of
the
intersection
at
Malcolm.
Slash,
mullet,
/,
South
else.
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Stop
that's
already
carried
the
208
compulsory
stops
that
have
already
carried
the
voices
of
objection
when
this
is
done
in
the
past
urban
silent
today
we're
ten
needed
one
at
the
corner
of
Robby
and
Qinghai,
a
vital
away,
stop
control
to
ensure
Community
Safety
and
the
voices
the
cry
from
the
people
on
the
left
here
against
against
it
were
mind-boggling
and
earth-shattering,
and
yet
here
today
we
have
to
all
wait.
Control
stops
approved
with
no
voices
of
objection
without
a
staff
report.
E
I
won't
be
supporting
the
I
know
that,
but
this
I
am
I,
won't
be
supporting
the
item
force.
It's
too
convoluted.
It
doesn't
really
come
with
a
staff
report
other
than
some
kind
of
confusing
map
on
the
back.
The
local
councillor
has
told
me
repeatedly
not
to
do
walk
on
motions
regarding
traffic
control
and
calming
and
I
won't
be
supporting
this
confusion
over
this
pristine
height
school,
which
has
to
be
resolved,
and
we
have
no
source
of
funding
for
the
capital
work
on
item
one.
So
that's
all
I've
say
Thank.
K
D
Speaker
I
I,
appreciate
I,
appreciate,
with
respect
to
I
appreciate
what
cancer
Pasternak's
concerns
are,
but
those
were
the
reasons
for
my
questions.
To
my
to
my
mind,
the
the
confusion
over
pristine
Heights
is
in
fact
resolved
by
the
answers.
I
got
from
staff
and
and
I
asked
the
last
question,
which
is
a
difficult
question
to
ask
of
staff,
but
I
clearly
heard
from
them
that
that
save
and
accept
the
cost,
which
is
which
is
ten
thousand
dollars
roughly
or
less
that
they
say
they
they're
really
in.
In
writing.
D
We
report
on
this
would
would
give
us
very
little
more
illumination.
They
really
say
that
it's
all
contained
in
the
recommendations,
pristine,
Heights
and
and
some
of
the
others-
are
resentments
of
existing
old
East,
York
bylaws
that
they
in
fact
found
themselves
troubling
and
misunderstood,
and
so
this
is
really
the
reason
there
are
so
many
clauses
here
and
that's
our
reason
for
concern.
But
the
reason
there
are
so
many
clauses
is
there's
a
lot
of
clean
up
contained
herein
and
so
I'm
prepared
to
support
the
motion.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
It's
unfortunate
that
councillor,
Pasternak
didn't
listen
or
didn't,
hear
the
questioning
of
staff
by
councillor
Carroll,
but
be
that
as
it
may
does
not
about
stop
signs.
I've,
never
criticized
the
councillor
for
walking
on
stop
sign
issues.
My
criticism
more
has
to
do
with
the
the
actual
facts
of
the
matter
and
the
unsupported.
Well,
the
fact
that
many
of
these
stop
sign
requests
are
unsupported
by
facts,
as
staff
mentioned.
There's
not
a
lot
more.
To
add
to
this.
F
Madam
Speaker
right,
the
issue
in
front
of
us
is
two
amendments
to
the
parking
regulations
and
to
the
roadway.
That's
at
the
corner
of
layered
and
Millwood,
Road
and
I
do
know
that,
as
I
used
to
tell
my
for
the
former
represent,
the
area,
I
would
cut
through
these
streets
all
the
time
on
my
way
home
when
I
lived
up
at
baking,
so
I
knew
them
well,
but
the
issue
is
I
think
a
matter
that
the
counts
are
brought
to
our
attention
of
some
urgency
as
the
road
is
about
to
be
reopened.
F
It's
been
closed
for
a
number
of
years
for
the
construction
of
the
condominium
at
the
corner
of
malcolm
and
mill
wood,
and
this
is
trying
to
clean
up
some
zoning
matters
and
make
it
safe
to
whenever
he
opens,
which
I'm
supportive
of
my
other
colleague
is
correct.
It
would
have
been
better
if
there
would
have
been
a
memorandum
from
city
staff
at
least
attached
to
this
detailing
what
these
and
changes
were,
and
even
that
they
had
no
objection
to
it
and
for
the
time.
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Yes,
the
industries
in
the
area
would
be
concerned
with
losing
their
administrative
environment
certificate,
and
so
this,
what
this
report
ensures
that
there's
on-site
mitigation
to
ensure
that
that
that
does
not
occur.
The
on-site
mitigation
includes
central
air
conditioning
three
meter
high
acoustical
offence.
It
also
includes
limiting
windows
on
the
second
floor,
making
sure
that
the
windows
and
the
walls
meet
ministry
requirements
in
terms
of
noise
mitigation,
on-site.
F
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F
I
don't
want
to
see
that
we're
approving
something
and
find
after
when
people
move
in,
but
then
they
complain
about
the
businesses
next
door
and
the
businesses
are
forced
to
relocate
because
we
allowed
residential
there
and
I
don't
want
the
local
councillor
to
be
the
one
in
the
middle
of
it
later.
If
these
issues
arise,
have
you
sat
down
or
have
you
discussed
these
matters
with
the
neighboring
property
or
that's
raised
these
concerns.
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M
We
met
with
Emily
Rossellini
about
five
years
ago
regarding
this
application,
and
our
concerns
were
similar
to
the
community,
but
in
addition,
the
rear,
the
rear
door,
loading
doors
of
the
property
are
located
right
near
the
proposed
houses.
Four
and
five.
Now
perhaps
the
noise
concern
has
been
has
been
addressed.
We're
not
sure
I
just
spoke
with
Vanessa
briefly
yesterday,
but
our
other
concerns
were
that
we
don't
want
complaints
for
noise
because
it's
a
large
employer
and
secondly,
there's
also
exhaust
fumes
and
vibrations
from
those
loading
doors,
and
we
can't
have
complaints
later
on.
M
We
just
want
assurances
that
we're
not
gonna
have
complaints
with
the
functioning
of
that
business
or
whatever
business
may
be.
There
there's
also
another
three
acres
that
can
be
built
out,
and
so
we
don't
want
any
problems.
This
is
being
in
business.
There
have
been
business
continuously
in
that
property
for
over
forty
years,
so
we
don't
want
problems
later
on.
So
we
want
assurances.
Whoever
buys
that
proper
torch
I
can
see
that
there's
also
she's
already
as
a
city
agreement
we
weren't
consulted.
M
We
were,
we
asked
to
be
consulted
back
in
2012
with
Emily
Rossellini
and
we
were
somehow
cut
off
and
we
gave
our
I
have
the
copies
of
the
emails
plus
Emily
Rosselini
spoke
to
us
as
late
as
2014
about
this
and
we're
just
cut
off.
So
we
want
to
have
assurances
that
our
tenant,
a
huge
employer
in
North
North
York,
is
not
going
to
be
affected
or
whatever
employ
employer
that
goes
into
that
building
in
the
future
or
whatever
expansion.
Secondly,
see
a
tentative
agreement
has
been
made
on
cutting
down
trees
in
that
property.
M
Well,
one
of
the
trees,
at
least
one
of
the
trees
is
on
on
the
lot
line,
and
we
told
the
city
about
that,
and
so
we're
not
only
concerned
and
and
Tycho's
employees
use
that
tree
for
shade
during
lunch
breaks
in
the
summer
in
the
spring,
and
we
strongly
object
to
the
tree
being
cut
down
not
only
because
of
the
prejudice
to
the
employees,
but
also
because
of
our
property
rights.
So
we
can't
can't
make
it
an
agreement
to
cut
down
a
tree.
That's
on
halfway
on
our
property
as
well.
J
M
Corporation,
it's
a
multinational
corporation
and
in
that
particular
building
their
biggest
their
biggest
production.
You
know
those
fire
alarms
that
you
have
in
your
homes
they
make
most
of
them
for
Canada
and
in
parts
of
the
United
States
and
they're
very
technologically
advanced
I've,
been
you
know
you
have
to
put
on
boots
when
you
go
on
to
and
gloves
when
you
go
on
into
their
building
and
they're
constantly
upgrading
and
technologically
I
think
there
are
three
shifts
now
they're
that
busy
and
want.
M
M
M
Got
a
notice
of
this,
but
we
had
put
on
and
noticed
the
city
and
the
clerk
and
Emily
Rosselini
to
keep
us
informed.
What's
what's
going
on
back
in
2012,
we've
got
consulted
in
2014,
but
then
I
just
got
this
notice
through
my
accountant,
I
was
cut
out.
We
both
my
name
and
and
the
accountants
and
the
lawyers
name,
Mary
truss
it
and
I.
Just
read
the
back
agreement.
There's
an
agreement
to
cut
down
trees.
M
There's
a
you
know
nothing
about
the
vibrations
and
exhaust
I
see
there
is
something
about
noise,
and
that
was
one
of
our
main
concerns
five
years
ago
and
I
hope
there
won't
be
complaints.
That's
fine
great,
but
people
should
know,
there's
also
vibrations
and
there's
exhaust
leak.
There's
trucks
coming
so
we
go
to
electric
cars.
I
mean
you
have
to
be
realistic.
Thank.
F
M
Not
aware,
however,
the
loading
doors
are
on
the
east
part
of
the
property
see
so
what's
on
astral
drive
right
now
is
a
big
parking.
Three
acres
of
parking
right,
that's
not
to
say
there
won't
be
built
in
the
future.
I
mean
his
own
for
employment
right
but
Tyco,
because
they
have
so
many
employees.
They
wanted
450
parking
spaces
when
they
moved
in
with
miltenberger
was
the
councillor
of
it,
and
so
that's
the
that's
the
case
right
now.
So
just
the
immediate
thing
is
the
loading
doors
that
are
in
existence.
F
M
M
C
M
M
Very
aware
of
the
circumstance
of
the
juxtaposition
of
residential
to
employment
use,
and
what
I
would
want
to
point
out
to
the
committee
is
that
in
the
staff
report,
there's
a
an
indication
of
the
amount
of
work
that
was
done
relative
to
the
industry.
He
saw
as
to
ensure
that
there
wouldn't
be
a
negative
impact.
M
The
matter
that's
before
you
is
to
rezone
the
land,
with
a
number
of
very
specific
provisions
built
into
it
that
are
specifically
related
to
noise
attenuation
so
as
not
to
cause
an
interference
with
the
industrial
operations
to
the
north,
all
of
which
were
assessed
in
not
one
but
as
many
as
three
environment
noise
reports,
all
of
which
were
peer-reviewed
by
the
city
and
those
reports
and
their
recommendations
are
actually
carried
forward.
In
attachment.
M
So
these
matters
have
been
addressed
from
a
noise
perspective,
not
only
within
the
proposed
draft
plan
conditions,
but
as
well
in
the
zoning
conditions
which,
as
you
can
tell
in
the
attachment,
are
very
particular
to
this
development,
which
initially
was
was
an
11
meter,
proposed
11,
lock
proposal
and
subsequently
reduced.
The
two
units
in
question
that
are
closest
in
the
area
of
concern
are
numbers
four
and
five,
and
they
have
very
particular
requirements
associated
with
them
to
MIT,
to
mitigate
the
effects
and
not
to
create
a
condition
that
would
be
negative
to
the
industrial
operations.
M
So
I
think
you
know
this
particular
proposal
is
includes
a
reference
to
a
class
for
designation,
that's
similar
to
the
matter
that
you
dealt
with
earlier
in
item
number
six,
although
this
is
being
done
at
the
same
time
as
the
application.
So
I
think
that,
in
from
our
perspective,
we're
here
to
support
the
staff
recommendations
for
approval
again
on
the
basis
of
the
you
know,
the
careful
study
that
that
has
been
undertaken
to
ensure
that
this
will
be
a
compatible
relationship
between
the
already
designated
residential
lands
and
zone
residential
lands.
J
H
I
want
to
start
out
by
explaining
that
these
are
existing
residential
lots
that
are
being
reconfigured
for
this
point
of
Planets
oven,
subdivision.
The
surrounding
properties
are
class
1,
we're
asking
for
class
floor
for
the
subject
properties
that
allows
it's
actually
in
favor
for
Tycho.
They
have
concerns
about
their
continuing
operating
on
site,
so
this
ensures
that
there's
on-site
mitigation
done
to
ensure
that
they
can
continue
operating
as
they
have
operated
for
for
many
years.
The
mitigation
that's
being
proposed
by
Jade
ku
sticks
as
peer
reviewed
through.
H
The
noise
study
is
a
combination
of
several
different
things:
limiting
opera,
operable
windows,
the
placement
of
windows,
the
type
of
windows,
the
acoustical
fence
at
3
meters,
to
deal
with
the
the
noise.
The
existing
noise
from
taiko
industries
there
are:
are
there
matters
that
are
secured
in
the
draft
plan
of
conditions
subdivision
conditions?
We
are
also
ensuring
that
there
be
more
detailed
review
there.
Sometimes
grading
grading
changes
that
are
done
through
the
actual
development,
and
so
the
plan
of
subdivision
conditions
address
that
and.
J
J
J
H
J
J
Number
one
is
to
direct
planning
staff
to
conduct
a
lot
study
on
the
residential
streets
bounded
by
highway
401
Dufferin,
Street
Caledonia
wrote
an
oarfish
road
to
identify
and
discourage
lot
services
assembly
in
the
area.
Number
two
is
directly
planned
to
review
noise
and
vibration,
attenuation
measures,
or
it
should
say
further
noise
and
attenuation
measures
and
report
to
City
Council
at
the
January
meeting.
As
you
heard,
this
has
been.
J
Some
and
I
hope
that
the
time
between
now
and
the
council
meeting
we
can
look
to
see
if
we
have
done
it's
thorough
job
as
we
can
on
the
noise
issues
and
that
can
involve
consulting
and
speaking
to
the
property
owner
whose
next
door,
it's
obviously
an
issue
that
the
existing
residents
are
concerned
about
and
so
I
want
to
make
sure
we've
covered
everything
there.
The
lot
study
this
isn't
the
this
proper.
This
development
application
is
the
backyards
of
two
existing
residential
properties.
J
So
this
area
has
some
300
foot
deep,
Lots,
extremely
wide
ones,
and
if
anyone
who
lives
in
this
kind
of
neighborhood,
that's
nestled
in
between
the
highway
and
industrial
properties
gets
a
knock
on
their
door.
Probably
every
single
day
of
someone
looking
to
buy
their
house
to
create
another
one
of
these
and
so
I
think
we
just
need
to
get
an
assessment
of
where
those
soft
sites
might
be
where
they
might
be
in.
What's
coming
and
so
I'd
like
to
pass
those
two
amendments.
Okay,.
J
F
H
C
F
Appreciate
very
much
what
the
councilors
trying
to
do
here
and
I
also
appreciate
what
the
businesses
nearby
have,
because
the
conflict
between
the
two
might
be
very
hard
to
resolve
and
our
ability
to
maintain
employment
areas
when
the
city
is
always
under
pressure.
So
many
of
the
employment
areas
are
trying
to
be
converted
to
mixed
used
areas
which
we're
not
permitting,
and
when
you
have
development
on
the
board
is
of
them.
It
still
continues
to
challenge
them.
C
You
councillor
shiner
I
totally
agree,
so
we
have
what's
up
on
the
board
now
and
it
would
then
go
to
council
without
recommendation,
but
we
would
be
voting
on
these
now,
all
right,
so
all
in
favor
of
what's
up
on
the
board
now
fine
that
carries
and
let
it
go
to
council
without
recommendation
overall
carried.
Thank
you.
So
we've
dealt
with
items
1,
&
2.
We
understand
that
there
are
three
deputies
to
item
three
and
only
three.
C
N
Hello,
my
name
is
Clemens
tegus,
yes
and
I
have
been
a
resident
of
the
neighborhood
for
over
thirty
years.
My
residential
property
is
directly
behind
the
proposed
development
on
the
north
side
work.
More
specifically,
my
backyard
is
adjacent
to
the
narrow
city
lane
way
between
the
north
side
of
the
proposed
development
and
my
home.
Let
me
start
by
saying
that
I
support
the
revitalization
of
our
neighborhood
with
the
Wilson
TTC
subway
station,
so
close
and
great
shops
nearby
I
understand
the
desire
to
increase
the
density
and
mixed-use
a
few
years
ago.
N
I
understand
the
city
on
this
undertook
a
neighborhood
revitalization
consultation
from
Wilson
Avenue
and
that
one
of
the
recommendations
was
to
allow
the
development
but
not
to
exceed
8
storeys.
The
proposed
development
and
the
discussion
far
exceeded
the
recommendation.
I
asked
the
cons.
I
asked
that
the
council
please
adhere
to
the
recommendations
which
was
the
result
of
the
public
input.
N
Finally,
for
residents
like
myself,
whose
properties
directly
neighbor
the
proposed
development
on
the
north
side,
I
ask
that
you
take
this
fact
into
careful
consideration.
The
other
buildings
at
the
southeast
and
southwest
corner
of
Wilson,
Avenue
and
Wilson
Heights
are
not
located
directly
next
to
residential
homes.
They
are
next
to
industrial
properties.
N
For
this
proposed
development,
my
backyard
will
be
facing
13
stories.
At
the
moment,
the
existing
buildings
are
4
storeys,
I
value,
my
privacy
and
the
sunlight,
which
helps
my
lovely
garden
grow
wide
variety
of
vegetables
in
the
summer.
This
will
be
jeopardized
if
the
height
of
the
proposed
development
is
approved.
Once
again,
I
asked
that
counsel.
Please
defer
to
the
neighborhood
study,
which
recommended
development
be
no
more
than
six
storeys
on
Wilson
Avenue.
N
Finally,
I
ask
that,
regardless
of
my
decision
made
by
the
council,
that
the
development
be
asked
to
closely
consult
with
the
landowners
who
directly
labor
that
proposed
development
to
discuss
potential
options
for
fencing
tree
planting
and
users
of
the
laneway.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
time,
sir.
C
C
N
K
C
E
No
thank
you
very
much
to
the
deputies
who
have
come
out.
You've
raised
some
very
important
points,
just
to
reiterate
what
this
is
with
the
speaker.
The
chair
had
said
the
motions
before
us
today
that
we
are
proving
is
to
fight
this
development.
It
is
both
an
unreasonable
application
and
does
not
lend
itself
to
the
neighbourhood.
E
Wilson
Avenue
is
it's
already
very
much
in
gridlock,
and
this
application
here
exceeds
the
Avenue
study.
The
mixed
use
zone
study
that
it
was
done
back
in
2007
I
believe,
so
our
position
would
be
to
to
vigorously
fight
this
application.
Usually,
when
an
applicant
sees
they're
going
to
lose,
they
they
come
back
to
the
table
and
they
start
negotiating
I'm
particularly
concerned
that
incorporated
into
any
application.
E
We
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
on-site
parkland
dedication,
there's
a
robust
section,
37
agreement
for
community
benefits
and
that
this
developer
will
contribute
to
the
building
of
a
right
turn,
lane
eastbound
at
Bathurst
and
Wilson.
So
what
are
our
objectives
to
reduce
the
density,
to
get
them
to
contribute
to
local
parkland,
to
make
a
robust
contribution
to
local
recreational
and
community
assets,
such
as
playgrounds
and,
of
course,
to
contribute
to
roadway
infrastructure
improvements?
Something
we've
wanted
for
many
years,
a
right-hand
turn
lane
eastbound
on
Wilson.
E
E
K
E
F
E
E
E
F
Coming
forward,
and
if
not
then
I
would
ask
you
than
simply
to
go
back
to
transportation
and
do
that
study
without
having
to
wait
for
this,
because
if
it's
supported
and
needed,
it's
something
that
we
can
see
if
we
can
support
anyways
without
having
to
get
it
from
this
application.
I've
been
stuck
in
the
traffic
on
Wilson.
E
C
C
C
A
I'm
representative
of
event,
mark
and
Joe
are
not
in
attendance.
It
would
just
be
myself
speaking.
Thank
you
good
morning,
Council.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
My
name
is
Danielle
Goldstein
and
I
am
a
representative
of
Lengel
developments,
limited
the
owner
of
286
Finch,
Avenue
West.
We
were
here
before
council
in
November
2017,
when
planning
staff
recommended
the
approval
of
the
application
for
a
zoning
bylaw.
Amendment
staff
in
their
report
stated
that
and
I
quote,
the
proposal
represents
an
appropriate
intensification
of
the
site.
A
The
proposed
act
townhouses
conformed
to
the
Official
Plan
mixed-use
area
policies.
The
built
form
creates
an
urban
condition
and
improves
streetscape
along
brenth
all
which
provides
for
an
appropriate
built
form
transition
from
mixed-use
area
designations
to
the
neighborhoods
located
to
the
north
of
brenth
all
Street.
The
proposed
density
is
appropriate
on
this
site
because
the
development
is
well
served
by
transit
and
we'll
be
providing
appropriate
servicing,
as
well
as
private
outdoor
amenity
in
the
form
of
rooftop,
terraces
and
patio
space
located
at
the
rear
of
the
building
and
on
the
rooftop.
A
The
stacked
townhouses
have
been
designed
to
mitigate
impacts
of
overlooked
privacy
and
noise
and
will
be
compatible
with
the
surrounding
area.
City
Planning
staff
recommends
that
City
Council
approve
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
application
in
November
councillor
Fillion
moved
without
any
further
explanation
other
than
our
project
needs
more
work
to
defer
the
decision
to
today's
meeting
My
partner
and
I
had
met
with
sir
Fillion
in
October
2015
prior
to
any
application
being
made
in
order
to
consult
with
him
at
his
suggestion,
an
application
for
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment
was
made
in
2016.
A
A
A
Furthermore,
as
evidenced
by
our
submission
to
staff
and
staffs
recommendation,
support
urban
design
approves
of
the
proposed
elevation,
a
site
plan,
application
has
not
yet
been
made,
and
I
am
personally
here
to
present
an
open
invitation
to
councillor
Fillion
to
meet
with
the
owners
during
that
process
for
his
input
and
recommendations,
it
is
clear
from
staff
recommendation
report
and
the
recommendation
by
staff
before
you
today
to
support
our
appeal
that
staff
is
in
support
of
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment.
The
owners
have
been
actively
managing
the
building.
A
Ensuring
tenants
are
happy
and
taken
care
of
some
of
the
neighbors
know
the
owners,
the
owners
care
about
the
neighborhood
and
want
this
project
to
fit
in
and
be
the
best
fit
for
the
community.
The
owners
did
not
apply
for
a
massive
redevelopment
of
the
entire
site,
with
extreme
density
requirements,
elimination
of
rental
units
and
leaving
any
tenants
homeless.
Rather,
the
proposals
in
line
with
the
city's
guidelines,
which
preserves
and
improves
the
existing
rental
housing.
A
All
that
is
being
decided
at
this
time
is
the
zoning
and
the
zoning
is
clearly
appropriate
for
the
site
before
you
today
is
to
ask
recommendation
to
support
and
recommend
the
city
solicitor,
together
with
city
staff,
to
attend
the
OMB
hearings
in
support
of
a
settlement
to
the
appeal
of
our
application.
We
respectfully
request
the
council
not
act
against
your
staffs,
rec
datian
and
support
the
appeal
of
the
OMB.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
D
Yes,
I'm
just
wondering
if,
yes,
you
want
to
support
staffs
recommendations,
but
staff
seem
to
be
asking
that
a
whole
lot
of
section
37
matters
be
agreed
to
if
the
OMB
grants
the
appeal
that
we
should
also
be
allowed
to
secure
all
these
things
from
you.
Why
are
these
not
in
the
the
agreements
of
settlement
now
so.
A
I
know
that,
once
the
zoning
bylaw
is
in
place,
you're
not
allowed
to
amend
it
for
two
years,
so
once
the
cyclin
application
is
brought
forward,
it'll
have
the
ability
to
deal
with
those
little
issues,
but
at
this
time
all
that's
before
the
OMB
is
for
the
zoning
to
be
approved
in
principle
with
its
enactment
withheld
and
those
section.
37
conditions
will
be
entered
into
at
the
time
that
a
site
plan
application.
A
D
F
F
A
F
F
A
F
L
Thank
you.
Well,
it
just
took
a
couple
of
pertinent
facts
here,
so
this
is
a
site
that
that
was
initially
fronting
on
to
Finch,
but
it's
a
full
block
development.
So
it's
it's
an
old
apartment.
Building
that
fronts
on
to
Finch.
That
was
given
the
entire
block.
The
far
side
event
fronts
on
to
a
local
street,
with
small
neighborhood
houses
across
the
street.
L
L
L
So
when
the
report
had
counsel
I
asked
for
a
deferral
which
thank
you,
you
granted
and
had
the
applicant
been
willing
to
work
with
city
staff
and
myself
to
starting
two
months
ago
with
that
deferral,
I
would
guess
we
would
have
a
resolution
of
it
here
now.
Instead,
they
appealed
to
the
Ontario
Municipal
Board.
So
once
they've
appealed
to
the
interion
municipal
board,
any
negotiations
will
take
place
through
staff,
not
with
me
directly
and
so
I
have
here,
because
staff
have
put
a
request
for
directions
before
us.
L
I'm
told
by
I'm
advised
that
it's
probably
best
not
to
defer
it
again.
So
so
I
have
a
set
of
recommendations
here,
which
I
won't
put
up
in
the
screen.
Do
I
need
to
read
all
this
out?
It's
four
pages
long
that
are
that
was
written
for
me
by
legal
staff,
so
that
it's
done
correctly
I
would
have
frankly
made
it
simpler
wording,
but
was
advised
that
this
was
the
way
to
do
it,
which
basically
says
we're
refusing
this
in
its
present
form
and
but
we're
open
to
discussions
to
make
this
look
and
feel
right.
L
A
key
component
of
that
is
the
site
plan
why
they
didn't
submit
a
site
plan
in
the
first
place
and
why
planning
staff
didn't
ask
them
to
submit
a
site
plan
earlier
if
they
didn't
I,
don't
know,
because
the
key
issue
here
is:
how
does
this
look
and
feel
related
to
the
neighborhood
that
it's
situated
on?
This
is
situated.
This
fronts
on
to
Brandt
Hall,
which
is
a
local
street,
with
houses
directly
across
the
street.
L
F
K
F
K
K
Somewhere
I
mean
he
may
also
have
those
concerns,
but
his
principal
area
I
mean
I,
don't
wanna
speak
for
councillor
Fillion,
but
certainly
what
he's
indicated
to
me
is
this
principal
area
of
concern
being
that
there
is
no
site
plan,
so
there's
no
ability
to
secure
the
elevations
and
he's
not
satisfied
with
the
aesthetic
of
the
elevations
of
how
they
relate
I.
Think
it's
the
compatibility
issue.
Quite
frankly,
the.
F
K
F
Have
a
short
period
between
now
and
council-
maybe
city
legal
through
you,
madam
chair,
can
help
me.
Counselor
Fillion
appears
to
have
concerns
with
the
elevations
of
it
and
the
look,
an
impact
on
the
neighbors
to
the
north
there's
no
site
plan.
This
has
been
around
for
a
while.
It's
all
the
question,
I
guess
to
legal
is:
if
there's
a
will
to
try
and
work
on
both
sides
or
all
three
side,
city
staff,
the
counselor's
office
and
the
applicant
to
resolve
those
issues
between
now
and
council.
K
Thank
you
for
the
question
counselor
the
provisions
before
you
intend
to
secure
any
changes
to
the
design
that
are
negotiated
with
the
applicant
by
way
of
a
condition
of
approval
of
the
zoning
that
the
that
the
zoning
can
be
approved.
The
decision
of
the
zoning
can
be
approved
in
principle,
subject
to
the
final
order
being
withheld
until
a
site
plan
agreement
is
entered
into
by
the
act
between
the
applicant
and
the
city
securing
the
design
as
negotiated.
So
the
mechanism
for
securing
the
design,
sir,
would
be
a
condition
of
approval
of
the
zoning
I.
F
Understand
but
there's
a
disagreement
here:
staff
recommendations
are
to
go
to
the
board
and
say
we're
satisfied
with
the
development,
but
we'll
look
at
the
design
issues
after
and
the
local
council
would
like
to
look
at
the
design
issues.
For
so
that's
why
I
was
asking
the
question.
If
there
is
a
meeting
in
advance
of
the
council
meeting
and
there's
some
agreement
as
to
how
you
deal
with
the
design
issues,
can
that
be
tied
down
in
the
first
case,
most
of
them
instead
of
having
to
wait
and
go
back
after.
K
Again,
councilor,
thank
you
for
the
question,
the
mechanism
for
tying
it
down
at
this
stage.
The
zoning
stage
would
be
the
same.
That's
in
the
recommendation,
which
B
would
mean
that
if
a
design
could
be
satisfactorily
agreed
to
between
now
and
council,
the
recommendations
that
could
go
towards
council
could
have
maintained
the
same
recommendation
number
four,
which
you
see
before
you,
which
would
require
that
as
a
condition
and
agreed-upon
condition
of
the
zoning
approval
that
the
final
order
of
the
entire
amoenus
board
be
withheld
until
a
site
plan
agreement
is
entered
into
securing
that
design.
F
C
C
K
O
O
Thanks
for
everyone's
timing
today,
my
name
is
John
Corben
made
with
my
wife,
Kayla
boy
gone
now:
Corben
I
guess
we
moved
into
Ward
15
last
year
at
52,
Belvedere
Avenue,
actually
just
right
before
our
wedding.
So
we
are
now
happily
Wed
I.
Think
at
the
time
of
our
purchase,
we
had
purchased
our
home
from
a
renovator
moved
into
the
neighborhood
and
there
was
a
parking
pad.
We
later
discovered
it
was
unlicensed
when
it
was
brought
to
our
attention
and
a
formal
in
a
formal
manner,
which
is
what
brings
us
here
today.
O
Please
communicate
them
to
us
because
we
are
new
to
the
neighborhood
and
you
know
we
want
to
make
friends
of
course,
and
I
I
did
attach,
and
perhaps
it
was
dispersed
prior
just
a
note,
as
well
as
as
well
as
signatures
of
support
from
our
neighborhood.
We
did
speak
to
everybody.
We
approached
every
house,
some
people
were
not
able
to
come
to
the
door
and
those
blanks
are
representative
of
those
people,
be
they
elderly
or
just
not
home,
and
the
times
that
we
visited,
we
received
two
pieces
of
feedback
from
our
neighbors.
O
The
first
was
that
one
would
like
us
to
plant
a
tree
which
we
understand
is
part
of
the
process.
Should
the
application
be
approved.
We
of
course,
have
no
issue
with
yet
that
the
other
individual
indicated
that
he
was
unhappy
with
the
paving
job
and
stone
work
that
was
in
place
and
we
agree.
We
believe
it
can
be
improved.
We
want
the
aesthetic
to
be
beautiful
on
our
street,
and
so
we
intend
to
explore
those
opportunities
to
us
right
away.
O
Should
the
vacation
be
approved,
in
addition
to
the
positive
polling
which
we
received,
notice
of
the
favorable
poll
results.
There's
just
some
observations.
We
made
about
the
street
about
our
neighbors
I'm,
just
put
together
a
couple
pieces
of
data.
The
first
is
that
71%
of
our
neighbors
can
park
in
front
of
their
house
and
of
the
same
sample
size
88%
can
park
on
a
pad
or
their
garage.
O
So
currently
we
don't
have
the
opportunity
to
park
in
front
of
our
house
or
in
our
garage
based
on
the
narrowness
of
the
lane
way
between
our
neighbors
from
from
a
safety
and
accessibility
standpoint
I'm.
Currently
there
are
no
street
permits
available
on
our
street
in
the
winter
less
spots,
as
you
can
imagine,
with
the
snow
that
accumulates
and
often
many
of
these
spots
are
taken
by
visitors
who
park
long
after
we
returned
home
from
work.
O
Another
note,
which
is
of
kind
of
immediate
urgency
to
me,
is
that
my
wife
is
currently
extremely
uncomfortably,
but
but
beautifully
pregnant
and
a
parking
pad
would
not
only
help
with
kind
of
immediate,
more
convenient
access
to
our
home,
but
certainly
improves
safety.
Safety
on
Belvedere
Avenue
is
a
real
concern.
Many
many
cars
approach
on
Glenora
Belvedere
is
a
one-way
street
and
cars
often
speed
down
Belvedere
the
wrong
way
down
a
one-way
street
to
access
Oakwood
Avenue,
and
this
is
a
concern
shared
by
all
of
our
neighbors,
which
really
there's
just
nothing.
O
Just
in
summary,
I
just
want
to
say
that
you
know
we
understand
that,
in
order
for
the
city
to
work
in
an
order
for
neighborhoods
to
work,
everyone
needs
to
get
along,
and
everyone
needs
to.
You
know.
Work
together
in
Kayla
and
I
have
made
a
significant
investment
of
time
and
energy
and
resources
into
our
neighborhood,
be
it
attending
community
gatherings.
O
You
know
carpooling
and
such
just
lots
of
lots
of
friendly
things.
We
can
do
to
make
the
neighborhood
work,
and
certainly
we
just
want
to
experience
the
same
benefits
that
our
neighbors
do,
so
that
we
can
work
together
to
build
a
strong
community.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
and
we're
happy
to
address
any
questions.
If
you
have
are.
C
G
O
So
the
the
space
in
between
our
in
our
neighbors
homes
is
very
tight,
I'm
different.
Perhaps
if
we
had
a
Fiat
or
a
smart
car,
maybe
we
could
fit
but
it
in
the
winter
you
you
definitely
cannot
access
the
back
of
your
home
and
certainly
there's
not
enough
space
to
even
turn
around.
Is
it
but
there's
a
partner
spot
back
there
in
the
yard.
There
is
not
no
oh
there's
currently,
not
okay,
not
in
the
backyard.
O
P
P
O
P
P
O
B
K
J
O
J
Okay
and
your
existing
mutual
Drive
that
you
have
is
too
narrow
really
to
get
through,
with
the
existing
space
between
correct
and
generally,
it's
in
keeping
keeping
with
the
the
character
and
form
of
other
houses
in
the
street
and
most
of
the
neighbors
approve
and
support
it
correct.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
I
C
D
D
First
of
all,
I
understand
that
that
this
already
exists,
so
it
probably
came,
was
either
complete
based
or
staff
simply
came
upon
this
and
and
and
found
a
non-compliant
parking
pad.
Is
there
a
review
of
the
whole
street
going
on
because
the
next
door
neighbor
looks
pretty
paved
as
well
front
yard,
fencing
in
the
whole
nine
yards
right
through.
D
D
D
H
D
O
D
Yes,
yes,
okay,
yes,
councillor
Wong
has
it
has
a
better
picture
because
I
recalled
this
street
once
before:
okay,
so
so
you're,
okay
with
them
using
the
mutual
Drive
pavement
to
get
there.
Even
though
there's
a
great
issue
and
such
okay,
and
if
there
is
a
dispute
over
the
condition
of
the
pavement,
it
wouldn't
be
our
concern.
It
would
be
up
to
the
neighbors
to
sort
it
themselves.
That's.
P
H
P
P
H
P
That
is
fundamentally
the
reason
why
we
have
these
bylaws
because
we
want
to
make
front
yards
in
from
the
front
yards
if
every
front
yard
beautiful,
so
the
neighborhood
street
looks
beautiful
and
it
doesn't
look
like
there's
a
parking
lot
going
all
the
way
to
the
front
door
of
a
house
all
the
way
down
the
street.
Is
that
right,
that's
correct!
Thank
you.
E
E
E
H
K
Robinson
yeah
very
quickly
too
I,
just
just
staff
generally.
Are
you
trying
to
address
I'm?
Sorry
if
I
missed
this
earlier,
but
it
was
hard
to
hear.
Are
you
trying
to
address
this
this
as
councillor
deputy
mayor
described
at
the
pavement
streets,
where
there's
no
ability
for
water
to
you
know
to
be
absorbed
and
therefore
it
flows
into
other
streets
and
neighborhoods,
it's
not
being
addressed
in
a
broader
context,.
K
H
P
However,
I
I,
don't
think
so.
I
think
that
you
know
certain
certain
councillors
have
certain
views
on
this
very
controversial
topic
of
what
should
what
we
should
be
doing
with
front
yard,
parking,
pads
and
and
I.
Just
look
at
this
street
and
it's
like
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
think
people
really
wanted
to
live
on
streets
that
are
pretty
much
all
their
front
yards
are
paved
over.
P
That's
not
something
that
you
you
you
live
in,
neighborhoods
for
and
and
I
don't
want
to
interfere
in
the
in
the
in
the
enjoyment
of
of
people's
homes.
However,
I
would
say
this
when
it
starts
to
affect
other
people's
homes
and
the
look
on
a
neighbor
on
the
look
on
the
street.
That's
when
I
think
that
it's
time
for
us
to
speak
up
and
all
I'll
say
is
that
I
just
look
across
the
street
to
what
could
have
what
could
what
what
that
home
could
look
like
and
that's
what
I'd
like
to
see.
You
have.
P
You
know
a
beautifully
manicured
lawn
lots
of
grass
and
a
couple
of
trees
beautiful
and
that's
what
I'd
like
to
see
on
most
streets.
Sadly,
on
the
other
side
of
the
street,
it's
all
it's
all
asphalt
and
that's
it's
not
something
that
I
can
support.
This
idea
that
it's
permeable
sort
of
pavement
I
don't
buy
that
either
because
of
the
storms
that
we
have
water
can't
be
absorbed
fast
enough.
G
Actually
vote
against
these
parking
pads,
but
this
was
a
new
build
and
I'm
just
wondering
why
we
staff
didn't
catch
this
in
the
first
place,
our
building
department
and
I
think
there
is
some
sort
of
onus
on
us
to
take
that
into
consideration.
So
I
actually
will
be
supporting
the
applicant
on
this
one.
J
Speak.
Thank
you.
Madam
chair
I'm,
a
as
the
deputy
mayor
is
shocked
by
my
libertarian
view,
I'm
a
bit
concerned
with
the
his
strong
arm
and
reach
of
government
getting
into
private
property
rights
by
our
deputy
mayor.
Some
of
his
friend
new
friends
and
colleagues
might
be
upset
with
that
I'm
gonna
move
the
alternate
recommendations,
I
think.
The
facts
here
are
clear:
there's
no
tree
removal!
Actually
they
gonna
add
a
tree.
It's
a
permeable
surface.
It
doesn't
take
away
any
parking
because
there's
an
existing,
curb
cut
and
ramp.
The
street
supports
it.
J
They've
got
a
permeable
surface,
that's
better
than
the
neighbors
that
we've
been
shown
that
aren't
here
before
us
today.
So
it's
improving
the
look
of
the
street
I,
don't
think
we're
here
to
govern
the
aesthetics
of
streets
in
private
property.
I
think
we
have
to
decide
and
I
know
many
people
have
opinions
on
whether
we
should
have
front
part
path
front
here
at
parking
or
not.
The
one
suggestion
is
always
about
permeable
surface
and
basement
flooding.
Well.
J
This
is
this
is
the
old
city
of
York,
where
there's
a
lot
of
front
yard
parking,
and
actually
it's
not
an
area
where
we
experience
basement
flooding
where
I
experience
basement
flooding.
My
ward
is
the
more
suburban
settings
like
many
of
the
councillors
in
this
chamber,
where,
if
you
have
a
two
three
four
five
car
driveway,
then
you
can
have
as
much
paved
as
you
want.
J
J
In
fact,
there
are
city
reports
that
my
colleague
councillor
chemical
Greb,
has
brought
to
my
attention
that
says
that
front
your
parking
pot
is
actually
a
miniscule
contributor
to
basement
flooding
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
and
what
the
bigger
contributor
is
is
the
expansive
amount
of
property?
That's
paved
in
many
suburban
neighborhoods
and
streets
that
doesn't
come
in
front
of
us
for
appeal
or
for
approval,
so
I'm
going
to
move
the
alternate
recommendations,
I
think
it's
a
vast
improvement
to
the
street,
it
helps
add
greenery
and
it
helps
with
basement
flooding.
D
As
a
person
who
has
one
of
those
luxurious
wards
with
lots
of
drivers,
I
just
do
want
it
to
I.
Think
the
counselor
in
his
passion
has
forgotten
that
we
do
have
policy
for
those
lots
as
well.
There
is
a
limit
to
how
much
you
can
pave
a
front
yard
even
in
a
70-foot
frontage
lot
in
my
area
such
that
we
actually
run
up
and
down
our
street.
D
All
of
us
getting
to
know
the
snow
birders,
because
there's
there's
actually
a
limit
to
how
many
cars
you're
supposed
to
park
in
your
driveway,
unless
someone's
and
so
lest,
someone
start
complaining
about
about
numbers
of
kids
home
from
college
with
cars.
We
actually
redistribute
our
cars
onto
snow,
burgers,
driveways
in
the
winters
and
make
sure
everybody's
covered
and
they're
there.
There
is
a
fewer
cars
because
there
there
actually
is
policy
and,
and
while
it
is
probably
less
stringent,
because
the
communities
were
designed
a
different
way,
I'll
be
supporting
councillor
Minh
and
Wong's
motion.
K
C
All
right
we're
ready
to
vote
councillor
Cole's
motion
goes
first,
which
is
an
amendment
to
the
staff
recommendation,
all
in
favor
one
two,
three,
four:
five:
six
against
one:
two,
three
councillor
Fillion,
you
didn't
vote
for
it;
okay,
so
it
carries
which
makes
councillor
men
and
Wong's
motion
redundant.
Okay.
C
J
Q
Q
Q
E
C
H
R
Thank
You
counselors
for
listening
to
my
concerns
today.
My
name
is
Jonathan
Mandel
I
applied
to
the
city's
urban
forestry
department
to
remove
a
city-owned
a
tree
on
the
front
of
my
property
as
I
believe
the
tree
is
in
poor
health.
The
tree
in
question
is
situated
on
the
city-owned
right-of-way
and
therefore
it
is
the
city's
legal
right
to
decide
the
fate
of
this
tree.
Urban
forestry
has
denied
my
application
to
remove
the
tree
and
I
do
not
challenge
urban
forestry
decision.
I.
R
Do,
however,
challenge
the
process
that
I
had
to
go
through
in
order
to
reach
this
decision.
The
existing
process
is
unnecessarily
costly
for
homeowners
and
lacks
in
both
fairness
and
transparency.
Let's
start
by
looking
at
the
costs,
the
existing
process
requires
homeowners
to
pay
an
application
fee
of
three
hundred
and
thirteen
dollars.
An
arborist
report
at
a
cost
of
three
hundred
and
ninety
five
dollars
in
my
case
must
also
be
submitted
by
the
homeowner
in
order
to
proceed
with
the
application.
R
R
According
to
urban
forestry,
an
arborist
report
is
quote
a
technical
report
that
identifies
the
location,
species,
size
and
condition
of
trees
and
describes
maintenance
strategies
and
protection
measures
to
be
to
be
implemented.
This
basic
information
contained
in
the
arborist
report
helps
facilitate
our
review
in
general.
The
observations
made
by
the
private
arborist
should
align
with
the
observations
of
city
staff.
In
some
cases,
the
weight
of
severity
placed
on
observed
tree
characteristics
differs
between
the
city
and
the
property
owner,
or
their
arborist,
and
quote.
R
Urban
forestry
already
has
on
file
the
location,
species,
size
and
condition
of
every
city
tree.
That
is
urban
forests,
trees
job
to
maintain
this
database.
There
is
their
story.
There
are
no
maintenance
strategies
or
protection
measures
to
be
implemented
for
this
type
of
application,
as
I
was
asking
to
remove
the
tree.
Urban
forestry
acknowledges
that
there
can
be
discrepancies
that
occur
between
the
homeowners,
arborist
report
and
urban
forestry
zones
faction
of
the
tree.
But
what
happens
in
this
case?
In
my
experience,
urban
forestry
accepts
its
own
findings.
R
As
fact,
without
regard
for
the
homeowners
our
burst
report.
According
to
urban
forestry
zone
words,
they
do
not
trust
the
findings
of
private
arborist
reports
and
I
quote
the
our
bora
cultural
industry
is
the
most
common
provider
of
evidence
in
the
form
of
applications.
Our
burst
reports,
entry
application
use
me
our
burst
reports
and
tree
protection
plans.
The
our
Berk,
our
bora
culture
industry,
is
not
regulated.
This
lack
of
Industry
regulation
highlights
the
need
for
staff
oversight,
as
is
the
current
process
when
tree
bylaw
applications
are
made.
R
Such
oversight
ensures
that
applicants
are
dealt
with
in
an
objective
and
consistent
manner
in
alignment
with
city
policies
and
quote
in
my
case.
My
arborist
found
three
items
contributing
negatively
to
the
overall
health
of
the
tree,
which
you
can
find
in
my
arborist
report:
the
missing
top
leader
and
overall
lien
of
the
tree,
the
presence
of
bark
beetles
in
the
presence
of
spruce,
tip,
Gul
urban
forestry
inspected
the
tree
by
a
certified
arborist
and
disagreed
with
not
one
or
two,
but
all
three
of
my
arborist
findings.
R
My
arborist
report
was
performed
by
someone
with
the
same
qualifications
as
the
inspector
from
urban
forestry.
Yet
none
of
my
arborist
findings
were
given
any
validity
in
urban
forestry
decision.
Making
I
agree
that
arborist
reporting
can
be
subjective,
and
it
is
true
that
there
is
no
real
governing
body
for
arborists.
If
urban
forestry
does
not
trust
the
findings
of
private
arborist.
Due
to
the
lack
of
regulation
and
consistency,
then
why
do
they
require
a
report
that
they
inherently
distrust?
R
I
would
have
been
happy
to
pay
the
application
fee
and
have
the
city
inspect
the
tree
and
make
a
determination
on
its
own.
After
all,
it
is
solely
the
city's
right
to
assess
and
make
decisions
about
the
tree.
It
doesn't
matter
what
my
arborist
report
says.
It
only
matters
what
the
city
thinks
of
the
tree,
because
the
city
has
the
right
to
overrule
anything
that
my
arborist,
that
my
arborist
report
says
without
question.
R
R
Today,
you
are
the
judge
and
jury.
In
light
of
my
experience,
I
asked
you
to
consider
whether
this
process
is
fair.
Is
the
homeowners
arborist
report
really
necessary?
What
specifically
does
the
city
require
from
this
expensive
report
that
it
does
not
produce
on
its
own,
with
the
information
existing
in
urban
forestry
database
and
through
its
own
inspection
of
the
tree
in
question?
I'm
asking
all
of
you
today
to
make
this
right
by
reimbursing
my
arborist
report
fees
and
by
reviewing
this
process
to
better
serve
taxpayers
in
the
future.
Thank
you.
R
G
G
Meaning
that,
if,
if
you
don't
have
your
your
in
this
case,
your
arborist
saying
hey,
these
are
the
three
areas
you
can
be
coming
to
a
community
council
and
there
could
be
twenty
things
and
then
it's
a
bit
of
a
back-and-forth.
Do
you
not
think
that
maybe
you
coming
with
your
concerns,
the
city
then
responding
to
those
concerns
and
then
having
community
council
decide,
do
not
think
that
that
might
actually
streamline
the
process,
whether
you
like
it
or
the
answer
or
not,
does
that
not
kind
of
streamline
it.
R
It's
at
a
great
expense
to
tack,
pay,
taxpayers
and
the
city
is
already
sitting
with
information
about
the
health
of
that
trees.
The
city
is
starting
with
a
baseline
of
that
tree,
so
for
the
city
to
go
and
to
drive
by
with
an
arborist
a
City
arborist.
In
order
to
inspect
that
tree,
they
would
already
have
an
idea
of
the
issues
going
on
with
that
tree,
more
of
even
than
my
private
arborist
who's.
Looking
at
that
tree
for
the
first
time.
G
Right,
but
do
you
not
think
if
the
if
we
just
said
we're
looking
at
our
own
city
staff
report,
that
people
might
be
upset
that
they
didn't
have
and
have
a
chance
to
bring
their
own
are
burst
in?
And
then,
if
you
bring
your
own
arborist
in
as
a
back
and
forth
and
it's
a
deferral
and
it
and
then
it's
a
hole.
R
Personally,
I:
look:
it's
it's
city
property,
whatever,
whether
you
get
to
make
the
criteria
you
get
to
make
the
decisions,
so
whatever
the
city
says,
is
what
goes
so?
Why
bother
with
my
report?
Why
don't
you?
Why
don't
I
pay
my
application
fee,
which
is
over
$300?
That
should
pay
for
what
1012
worked
hours
from
urban
forestry
at
$30
an
hour
whatever
they
make
I
don't
know,
but
it
should
pay
for
a
full
day's
work
for
somebody
from
city
forestry
to
look
at
that
tree
produce
a
report
and
I
mentioned
transparency.
Also.
D
So
if
we
had
a
policy
that
said,
if
you
want
to
have
a
city-owned
tree
removed,
we
just
have
the
City
arborist
come
and
evaluate
it,
but
we
needed
to
have
an
appeal
mechanism.
A
City
arborist
would
come
and
evaluate
the
tree,
and
if
you
didn't
like
the
decision-
and
you
wanted
to
to
take
action
against
us,
what
would
you
do.
D
D
R
Understand
what
you're
saying,
but
it's
completely
without
input
from
me
or
my
arborist,
or
anybody
else,
it's
the
city's
decision
about
that
tree,
even
if
there
is
an
appeal,
even
if
I
bring
an
arborist
who
says
X,
Y
and
Zed,
it
doesn't
matter.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
the
city
gets
to
make
the
final
decision.
The
the
appeal
itself
is
irrelevant.
D
R
D
R
The
two
trees
to
the
to
the
east
that
you're
referring
to
are
actually
a
different
species
and
I'm,
not
if
they
were
planted.
At
the
same
time,
I
mean
there
are
a
number
of
characteristics
that
I
could
point
out
from
my
arborist
report
to
support
the
the
unhealthy
claim
yeah,
but
but
I
don't
feel
that
that
it's
going
to
make
a
difference.
You
know
I
think
the
city's
looked
at
the
tree
with
their
arborist
made
a
you
know.
R
Favorite
forestry
has
made
a
decision
and-
and
that's
my
point,
I'm
not
challenging
that
part
of
it
I'm
challenging
the
fact
that
I
had
to
produce
an
arborist
report.
But
when
I
produced
that
report
it
wasn't
taken
into
account
and
there
it
wasn't
given
any
validity,
and
it
was
four
hundred
dollars
out
of
my
pocket
for
no
reason
at
all
it
opened
for
us.
We
would
have
made
exactly
the
same
decision
without
my
report.
C
F
R
F
R
F
R
K
K
F
F
J
R
The
tree
sprouts
from
various
different
points
at
the
top
of
the
tree,
creating
a
top-heavy
situation
whereby
there
is
potential
in
combination
with
the
lien
that
the
tree
could
fall
and
cause
damage
or
harm.
The
second
issue
was
the
arborist
took
close-up
pictures,
actually,
my
arborist
to
close-up
pictures
of
bark
beetle
infestation,
which
urban
forestry
said
doesn't
exist,
but
there's
a
clear
discrepancy
between
the
two
arborist
arborists
and
thirdly,
my
arborist
found
evidence
of
spruce
tip
gall,
which
is
another
disease
for
this
type
of
tree.
R
J
Okay,
a
lot
of
stuff
about
that.
My
other
question
is
I.
Obviously,
the
frustration
of
it.
What
seems
to
be
a
pointless
process
of
an
arborist
report
if
it
then
gets
overruled,
would
it
surprise
you
to
know
that
99.9%
of
these
appeals
or
applications
once
they
arrive
at
City
Council,
regardless
of
what
happens
here,
are
all
almost
all
denied
that.
J
B
That
would
include
a
review
of
your
application.
It's
an
application
processing
fee,
so
staff
would
review
the
information.
That's
provided,
including
the
arborist
report,
any
other
correspondence
from
the
applicant
plans,
site
plans,
but
they're
included
and
staff
will
go
and
inspect
the
site
to
verify
the
information
in
the
report
and
to
you
know,
get
a
better
idea
of
what
the
application
is
about.
It
also
includes
correspondence
between
ourselves
and
the
applicant
and
preparation
of
any
reports
on
appeal
memos
to
community
counselors
right.
B
Generally
non-construction
applications
and
even
small
development
applications
are
reviewed
by
our
assistant
planners,
so
they're,
arborist
or
foresters.
In
that
job
classification,
typically
I
would
get
involved
when
it
gets
to
appeal
to
community
council
or
any
files
that
may
become
contentious
or
there's
issues
that
arise
so.
B
P
P
B
P
B
It
depends
on
the
level
of
infestation,
so,
if
you
have
a
large
infestation,
it
can
cause
die
back
and
decline
like
with
bark
beetles
that
are
in
having
an
impact
on
the
cambium
of
the
tree
and
affecting
the
way
that
the
tree
up
takes
water
and
nutrients.
It
can
have
an
impact
if
it's
a
small
infestation
it
and
the
tree
is
healthy.
It
may
have
no
impact
at
all
the
same
for
diseases
that
affect
the
foliage
of
the
tree.
Typically,
those
are
seasonal
and
don't
have
a
long-term
effect
on
the
tree.
So.
B
When
our
inspector
went
out
to
the
site,
she
didn't
observe
evidence
of
the
bark
beetles
I
know
in
the
arborist
report,
there's
some
evidence
of
holes,
but
it's
not
conclusive
that
it
was
the
bark
beetle
that
was
mentioned
in
the
arborist
report.
We
didn't
see
evidence
of
the
damage
to
the
foliage
and
in
the
arborist
report
that
was
provided
by
the
applicant.
It
was
just
mentioned
that
it
may
be
causing
that
die
back
so.
B
C
B
F
B
F
F
Look
I
have
a
tree
in
front
of
my
house
and
I
have
concerned
that
maybe
it'll
come
out.
The
application
tells
you
what
to
do
to
apply,
but
it
also
gives
you
contact
information
from
forestry.
So
if
I'm
a
homeowner
and
I'm
there
and
I
contacted
you,
what
kind
of
advice
can
you
give
me
and
with
someone
actually
know
the
condition
of
the
tree
or
give
me
some
advice
where
to
be
worthwhile
with
the
application
yeah.
B
Definitely
so
number
one:
the
city
has
a
basic
inventory:
that's
available
for
all
city
assets,
that's
updated
at
the
last
point
at
which
the
city
goes
to
undertake
maintenance.
So,
generally,
the
preliminary
information
available
to
us
is
a
time
of
last
inspection
and
a
very
general
condition
rating
good,
fair,
poor
or
hazardous.
So
it
does
require
an
inspection
by
staff
to
go
out,
and
you
know
get
a
better
idea
of
what
potential
you
know
to
expand
on
that
condition
of
the
tree
like.
What's
you
know,
it's.
F
So,
but
if
I'm
there
and
I
don't
want
to
go
ahead
and
hire
an
arborist
to
make
the
application
I
simply
want
to
phone
up
and
say,
look
I've
got
this
problem.
Happy
trees
seems
to
be
leaning,
I've
got
some
problems,
the
branches
are
falling
off
of
it.
Can
I
call
you
and
you'll,
give
me
advice
and
even
possibly
come
out
and
look
at
the
tree.
Yes,.
B
Staff
will
respond
to
those
we
do
it
enquiries.
You
know
everyday
people
about
trees.
You
know
what's
wrong
with
my
tree,
you
know:
what's
the
application
process,
can
somebody
go
and
look
at
the
tree?
If
it's
a
city
tree,
we
would
definitely
recommend.
If
somebody
is
saying
I
want
to
remove
this
tree
I'm
concerned
about
the
health
and
condition
we
would
recommend.
They
call
3-1-1
for
forestry
operations
to
go
and
inspect
their
tree
for
routine
removal
or
routine
maintenance
and.
B
Well,
primarily,
the
first
reason
is
that
the
city
tree
bylaw,
Article
2,
requires
that
as
part
of
a
complete
application,
so
we
are
required
to
you
know,
have
an
arborist
report
submitted.
Secondly,
it
does
help
facilitate
our
review
by
giving
us
information
that's
up-to-date
about
the
tree
in
terms
of
condition.
You
know
it
allows
us
to
have
a
conversation
with
the
applicant
who's,
typically
an
arborist
to
be
able
to
discuss
issues
with
the
tree
professional
to
professional.
I
B
The
arborist
that's
providing
the
arbor
that
the
artist
is
providing
the
arborist
report
for
the
property
owner
is
providing
an
up-to-date
assessment
and
trying
to
take
that
in
combination
with
the
property
owners,
concerns
about
the
trees
and
provide
a
report
so
that
it
helps
facilitate
our
review
when
we're
talking
about
tree
condition,
issues
with
the
tree,
it
is
easier
for
us
to
speak
to
a
another
professional
in
the
tree
industry
when
we're
talking
about
tree
diseases
or
observed
defects
in
a
tree.
You
know
we
may
have
disagreements
in
terms
of
severity,
but
city
staff.
B
P
So,
firstly
well
I
want
to
thank
the
deputy
for
coming
for
actually
making
us
have
this
level
of
discussion.
I've
got
me
thinking
about,
especially
the
services
and
fees
that
they
provide.
My
fundamental
view
is,
we
should
be
charging
you
cost
recovery
and
that's
it
government.
We
shouldn't
be
taking
for
money.
Governments
far
too
often
charge
a
fee
and
they
use
it
to
backfill
other
programs
and
that's
not
right.
P
It's
an
extra
service
outside
your
property
taxes.
Therefore,
you
should
pay
for
it,
but
only
as
much
as
you
know
the
services
you
should
only
buy
the
amount
of
services
that
you
need
and
you
shouldn't
be
charging
$80
an
hour
seems
to
be
excessive
and
I'm.
Sympathetic
to
you
know
your
arguments,
the
bad
news
is
I.
P
Think
you're
done
I
mean
I,
don't
think
this
you're
not
you're
right,
you're
not
going
to
not
as
counselor
counselor
Cole
said
99%
of
these
applications
that
the
council
down
there,
they
don't
look
there,
they
don't
care
they
just
simpler.
There
are
some
sanctimonious
counsellors
that
don't
care
about
your
personal
circumstances,
and
so
it
doesn't
matter
how
we
vote
today.
You
know
if,
if
I
put
money
down
that,
doesn't
matter
what
we
say
or
what
we
do,
you're
you're,
not
you're
gonna
be
a
tree.
Is
gonna
continue,
they're,
not
gonna.
P
P
Unthoughtful
answer
that
doesn't
sometimes
reflect
the
needs
of
residents.
I'll
just
say
that
you
know
we
had
another
matter.
That
was
here
just
a
couple
of
council's
ago,
where
there
was
someone
who
had
who
was
allergic
and
was
getting.
You
know,
infections
and
swellings,
living
in
a
townhouse
and
and
one
particular
councillor,
which
I
was
quite
surprised
with
the
answer.
One
of
the
answers
comments
was,
they
said:
move
move
from
your
town
house
go
find
another
town
house.
P
D
D
This
is
an
apartment,
we're
doing
this
work
is
now
total
cost
recovery,
and
that's
why
yeah
yeah
it's
about
$80,
an
hour
to
to
pay
to
have
professional
arborists
of
our
own,
to
pay
for
them
to
have
offices
to
pay
to
run
that
department
and
it's
a
total
cost
recovery
department.
We
could
instead
universally
bill
everyone
and
tax
them
and
and
remove
some
of
the
burden
of
cost
here.
D
But
if
you've
decided
that
you're
gonna
stagnate
taxes
and
and
make
more
and
more
and
more
departments
total
cost
recovery,
then
the
isolated
person
who
makes
use
of
that
service
can
no
longer
avail
themselves
of
the
universal
sharing
of
cost
of
all
the
residents.
That's
a
funding
model
that
we
have
moved
to
in
the
last
eight
years,
and-
and
this
is
the
reality
and
the
outcome
of
it-
I'm.
G
You,
madam
Speaker
I,
just
want
set
a
few
issues
straight
here
in
terms
of
actually
a
groove
canceller.
What
councillor
Cole
said
the
biggest
issue
here
is
that
whatever
we
decide
ultimately
goes
down
to
City
Hall
in
99.9
percent
of
the
time
it's
to
protect
to
preserve
the
tree,
no
matter
what
the
evidence
is
one
way
or
the
other
to
me.
That's
the
issue,
but
just
a
bit
a
little
bit
of
context.
I
really
don't
think
we're
dinging
anyone
here,
three
hundred
and
thirteen
dollars
I
think
councillor.
G
Minam
Wong
has
figured
out
to
be
seventy
eight
dollars
an
hour.
That's
about
sixty
bucks,
an
hour
plus
benefits.
You
have
to
pay
for
someone
to
drive
out
there,
there's
a
cost
of
the
vehicle.
If
you
could
get
a
plumber
to
come
out
for
$60
an
hour,
please
let
me
know
where
I
could
find
the
plumber,
the
electrician
or
someone
that
will
just
nail
my
eaves
and
fix
my
eaves.
So
you
know
it's
great
to
to
to
say
these
things
to
people
and
be
all
outraged
about
three
hundred
and
thirteen
dollars.
G
E
E
That
being
said,
I'm
going
to
I'm
gonna
go
with
the
local
councillor
decides
if
he
moves
a
motion
to
approve
the
removal
of
the
tree.
I
will
certainly
support
it.
We
must
respect
private
property,
we
must
respect
the
quiet
enjoyment
of
one's
home
and
the
staff
report
here,
and
this
is
no
disrespect
to
the
homeowner
saying
stating
with
proper
care
and
maintenance.
This
tree
has
the
potential
to
provide
the
property
owner
and
surround
the
community
with
benefits
for
many
years
to
come.
E
This
tree,
based
on
the
picture
in
front
of
us,
is
highly
unlikely
that
this
tree
will
be
properly
cared
for
to
maintain
snow
insult
to
the
homeowner,
but
certainly
I
respect
his
wish
to
remove
to
remove
this
tree
and
I
think.
It
is
unfortunate
that
our
colleagues
at
City
Council,
who
do
not
read
these
staff
reports,
who
do
not
attend
these
meetings
and
listen
to
deputies
unilaterally
and
arbitrarily
reverse
our
decisions
to
which
is,
which
is
an
unfortunate
occurrence
anyway.
Q
Q
There
is
a
tree
everywhere
that
is
a
nuisance
to
summer.
That's
a
fact:
this
one's
got
a
bug
in
it.
It's
leaning
its
top-heavy,
there's
a
worried,
it's
going
to
fall
down,
and-
and
that
may
happen,
I
don't
know
you
know
what
the
overall
health
of
the
tree
is
and
we
sort
of
we
look
at
the
merits
of
each
and
every
one,
and
then
we
make
a
decision
based
on
that.
Q
The
reality
is
that
if
we
follow
the
councilmen
and
Wong's
suggestion,
we
would
just
simply
be
issuing
permits
to
cut
down
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
mature
trees
each
and
every
month.
That's
what
we
would
be
doing.
If
we
just
simply
said
we
care
more
about
people
less
about
the
environment,
we
care
more
about
people
less
about
trees.
We
care
more
about
people
less
about
our
canopy.
We
care
more
about.
You
know
a
tree
request
that
came
in
a
little
earlier.
Q
Q
Q
It
was
their
tree,
they
planted
it
cultivated,
it
watched
it
grow
for
40
years
now.
Yes,
it's
a
nuisance.
If
the
tree
survives
this
particular
person's
nuisance,
it
may
be
enjoyed
for
hundreds
more
years
by
many
many
folks
who
will
occupy
that
property
who
will
live
there.
That
may
very
well
happen
that
tree
that
provides
shade
that
tree
that
that
you
know
oxygen
that
tree
that
swallows.
You
know
carbon
right
if
someone's
nuisance
today,
but
it's
it's
such
a
big
benefit
to
so
many
other
people.
Q
So
the
question
is:
if
we
cared
because
some
people
just
simply
care
I,
don't
what
that
means,
but
it
means
something
to
someone
about
people
a
little
less
about
trees,
then
we'd
willy-nilly,
cut
down
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
trees
each
and
every
month
issuing
permits
to
cut
down
a
tree.
That
is,
that
is
a
nuisance.
To
someone
inside
they're
gonna
fall
down.
It's
it's
sprinkling
leaves
into
their
eavestroughs
it's
growing
roots
into
their
sewers.
Its
roots
are
coming
into
their
foundations,
it's
too
close
to
the
driveway
and
and
on
and
on
and
on
it.
Q
Q
F
Well,
sometimes
counselors
can
be
nuisances
to
others
to
some
offense,
but
I'll.
Try
not
to
be
madam
speaker.
The
issue
that
perhaps
brought
forward
by
the
deputy
today
was
the
process
that
we
go
through
for
a
tree
removal
and
he
felt
it
was
unfair.
He
felt
spending
$300
with
the
city
to
look
at
it
and
400
himself
wasn't
right.
I
asked
after
the
question:
what
happens
when
you
go
through
a
review
and
they
said
quite
clearly
call
us
we'll
take
a
look
at
the
tree.
F
Will
give
you
an
idea
of
what
we
think
of
the
tree
to
begin
with,
there's
no
fee
for
that.
No
one
made
the
outreach
onto
the
internet
looked
for.
Someone
was
credentials
to
look
at
a
tree
and
give
him
an
assessment
of
who
came
out
and
said
highly
unlikely
you're
going
to
get
this
out.
You
know
cuz
I've
been
there.
I've
worked
with
people
and
had
to
have
trees
removed.
First
thing
the
arbors
have
come
out
is
if
the
city
doesn't
I,
say
it's
gonna,
be
a
tough
one,
and
what
did
he
find?
J
F
Concern
is
where
this
is
gone.
This
is
not
an
unusual
circumstance.
You
have
a
tree,
you
don't
like
it.
You
can
phone
the
city
because
it
says
it
right
online.
There's
contact
numbers,
we
just
look,
there's
email,
you
can
say
I've
got
this
tree.
What
do
you
think
that
tell
you
the
process?
They'll
come,
have
a
look,
that's
what
it
is
and
if
the
city
doesn't
think
it
should
come
out
is
up
to
us
to
see
if
there's
a
reason
to
allow
it
out
or
not.
That's
also
the
process,
but
to
do
that.
F
There's
an
assessment
on
both
sides,
so
300
bucks
for
the
city's
work
$400
for
the
arborist
alone
to
come
out
for
an
hour.
So
I
don't
want
to
start
hearing
about
how
we're
overcharging
I
really
think
that
our
staff
and
urban
forestry
do
a
good
job
I
think
they
care
about
the
trees
that
are
out
there.
They
go
and
take
a
fair
look
at
them.
They
give
people
good
advice
in
it,
but
if
you
think
that
you
want
that
tree
out,
you
still
have
a
process
to
do
so,
which
is
what
happened
here.
F
You
take
the
process
you
bring
out.
A
professional
he'll.
Also
tell
you
not
likely
and
I,
don't
like
the
fact
that
it's
kind
of
it
has
gone
down
the
line
to
disparage
our
staff
as
to
the
work
that
they
do
no
disrespect.
Madam
chair,
they
did
the
job
that
was
right.
Nobody
asked
him.
Nobody
contacted
them.
400
bucks
for
an
independent
person,
we're
talking
about
how
much
our
staff
get
three
heroes
for
the
fee.
F
That's
not
an
excessive
fee
to
review
an
application
to
have
something
done
and
for
the
services
that
we
provide,
and
even
in
the
report,
that's
here
our
staff
said
what
they
saw
was
Viner
wasn't
much
in
the
bottom
line.
Is
the
tree
isn't
failing?
The
tree
is
not
unlike
many
other
house
trees
in
the
city,
fair
condition.
If
you
want
to
remove
every
tree,
that's
in
quote
fair
condition
in
the
city.
You're
gonna
lose
half
your
canopy.
You
have
trees
down
the
street.
Take
a
look.
F
The
side
of
the
bark
is
split,
it's
fouling
branches
are
falling
off.
We
have
a
lot
of
trees
that
are
going
to
have
to
replace
over
the
years
and
they
fail
and
we
take
them
out
so
staff
did
the
job
right.
The
fee
is
fair,
the
applicant
did
what
he
thought
was
appropriate,
no
disrespect
to
him.
He
went
through
a
process.
He
took
a
shot,
he
put
his
money
down
and
tried
to
gamble
this.
F
He
will
come
out
against
all
the
advice
had
a
probably
wouldn't
and
it
didn't
win
not
on
this
one
and
no
reason
for
it.
It's
a
sticky
treat
it's
got
some
problems,
but
we
didn't
do
anything
wrong
in
the
city.
We
did
everything
right
and
I,
don't
really
like
saying.
Staff
are
too
expensive,
we're
we're
charging
too
much
or
it's
not
caused
recovery,
or
we
haven't
done
our
job
right
from
everything.
I
heard
on
this
one
city,
forestry.
Did
the
proper
job
on
this.
F
F
J
J
Have
we
created
a
bit
of
a
cottage
industry
out
there
in
private
arborists
that
really
isn't
advancing
any
of
the
process
at
all,
because
the
end
result
is
always
the
same,
both
in
the
city
staff
review
and
in
the
council
decision,
and
so
that's
something
that
may
need
further
assessment.
The
other
thing
that's
interesting
is
earlier
today
we
all
voted
to
cut
down
many
mature
trees
that
an
employer
said
their
employees
enjoy
throughout
the
day
and
use
for
shade
and
outside
of
I
know.
J
Councillor
shiner
asked
some
questions
that
had
some
concerns
about
it,
but
really
we
had
no
issue
with
those
dozen
mature
trees
being
cut
down
and
the
one
main
one
that
he
discussed
is
in
much
better
health
than
the
one.
That's
in
front
of
us
here
so
I
think
for
residents
when
they
see
with
the
development
application
that
there's
no
discussion
or
question
about
a
tree
being
removed.
It's
just
cut
down
like
that
yeah
at
the
same
time,
with
a
tree
on
their
property,
that's
and
many
times
owned
by
the
city.
J
C
F
C
C
D
C
C
F
Three
you,
madam
chair,
I,
held
the
motion
from
Council
Fillion
27.4
I've
had
an
opportunity
to
hear
from
planning
staff,
and
our
legal
I
am
prepared
to
support
the
motion.
The
council
Fillion
has
what
it
does
is.
It
is
requiring
more
definition
as
to
what's
actually
going
to
be
built
on
the
site.
Besides
just
the
zoning.
F
The
issue
that
we
have
in
front
of
us
is
not
the
appropriateness
of
townhouse
there,
but
the
actual
design
of
them
and
the
impact
it
has
on
the
neighboring
streets
and
from
what
I
understand
that
still
has
to
be
worked
out.
I
would
strongly
suggest
that
the
applicant
sit
with
the
planning
staff
over
the
next
of
the
while
and
try
and
resolve
that
issue,
because
an
appeal
to
the
Ontario
Municipal
Board
right
now
is
no
longer
a
heavy
hand
on
council.
F
It's
now
a
heavy
hand
on
the
applicant.
Yesterday
at
committee
we
had
a
number
come
forward.
There's
a
hundred
and
thirty
thousand
housing
units
currently
being
held
up
at
Appeals
nevermind,
a
number
of
Appeals
a
number
of
housing
units
because
of
the
search
of
Appeals.
Due
to
the
changing
of
the
governance
of
the
Indian
Cheerilee
missile
board,
which
is
now
causing
a
backup
of
five
to
seven
years
before
a
hearing
might
happen
on
applications,
no
one
is
objecting
on
this
site
to
the
zoning,
but
well
the
councillor
doesn't
want
and
I
understand
staff.
F
So
we
know
and
have
a
better
idea
of
what's
being
constructed
on
the
site
and
I
think
that's
not
so
difficult
to
resolve.
I
understand
the
concern
was
being
to
meet
with
a
local
councillor,
but
you
don't
have
to
meet
with
a
local
councillor
after
me
with
planning
staff,
which
is
what
we
look
for.
You
have
to
have
something.
That's
reasonable,
they'll,
make
the
recommendations,
they'll
consult
with
the
local
councillor
as
well,
and
hopefully
there'll
be
an
ability
for
the
applicant
staff
to
resolve
this
before
our
summer
break
and
have
the
settlement
go
through.
C
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
have
a
motion
to
extend
the
notice
area
go
ahead.
If
you
just
put
it
on
the
screen,
it's
just
extending
it
2x
make
sure
the
entire
neighborhoods
included
if
the
clerk
could
put
it
on
the
screen.
Okay,
it's
coming
to
to
extend
the
notice
area
to
the
broader
community,
so
they
can
be
involved
in
this
application
and
so
I'll
just
I'll
read
it
do
I
need
to
read
it!
Madam
chair,
no!
It's
okay!
Okay,
so
I'd
like
to
move
that.
C
S
Hi
sorry
have
no
voice.
My
name
is
Christine
Garbowsky
I
live
at
367,
joycie
Boulevard,
my
husband
and
I
have
lived
there
since
about
2011.
When
we
purchased
this
home,
we
loved
the
thought
of
having
a
backyard.
We
dreamt
and
we
dreamt
of
ways
that
we
could
make
it
more
enjoyable.
We
have
several
medium-sized
trees
in
our
yard
that
continue
to
pollinate
year-round.
It
seems,
and
the
droppings
have
caused
a
lot
of
damage
to
our
deck
and
surrounding
lawn.
S
My
husband
has
had
to
re-sand
and
powerwash
the
deck
two
or
three
times
a
year,
but
to
no
avail.
It
continues
to
look
tattered
and
soiled
it's
literally
falling
apart
and
is
visually
unappealing.
The
lawn
does
not
grow
because
it
gets
no
Sun
and
it
fairly
get
barely
gets
respite
from
tree
droppings.
The
ground
is
uneven
due
to
roots
and
tree
growth
as
a
family.
We
cannot
enjoy
our
yard.
We
continue
to
discuss
ways
that
we
could
improve
the
look
of
our
backyard
and
dreamt
of
a
complete
backyard
overhaul.
S
This
past
spring
we
decided
we
would
like
to
install
an
in-ground
pool
and,
as
part
of
a
complete
backyard
renovation,
we
contacted
half
a
dozen
companies
to
obtain,
quotes
and
invested
a
lot
of
time
and
energy
into
planning
a
landscape.
We
hired
an
arborist
as
we
assumed
we
would
need
to
get
a
permit
to
remove
one
large
and
very
crooked
tree
from
the
center
of
our
yard.
S
I
don't
mean
to
sound
trite,
but
feel
that
I
must
mention
that
when
we
were
discussing
our
plans
with
our
neighbors,
so
many
of
them
suggested
that
we
simply
cut
the
trees
down
without
going
through
the
process
of
involving
the
city.
They
felt
that
it
was
easier
to
beg
for
forgiveness
and
ask
for
permission.
We
decided
to
respect
the
process
and
the
city
and
applied
via
the
proper
avenues.
I
took
the
day
off
from
work
and
applied
in
person
paid
the
required
fees
submitted
and
resubmitted
requested,
diagrams
and
information.
S
S
My
understanding
is
that
a
City
arborist
from
urban
forestry
came
out
to
ascertain
the
validity
of
our
arborist
report.
Our
arborist
indicated
that
the
trees
in
fair
condition
and
exhibit
signs
of
honey,
locust
plant
bug
infestation.
Urban
forestry
agreed
that
there
is
an
infestation
but
didn't
think
it
was
severe.
S
Urban
forestry
goes
on
to
say
that
in
the
report
that
the
significant
damage
to
our
deck
is
likely
caused
by
this
not
severe
infestation
of
sap-sucking
insects,
he
suggested
that
we
power
wash
the
deck
and
the
actual
tree
itself
a
few
times
a
year
to
dislodge
the
bugs
from
the
tree.
This
is
quite
an
onerous
process
to
complete
a
few
times
a
year
and
does
not
come
without
risks
of
damaging
our
deck
and
the
tree
itself.
I've
included
a
picture
of
our
tattered
and
worn
deck.
S
Phyllis
tration
urban
forestry
noted
that
at
the
time
of
inspection,
the
infestation
had
no
visible
impact
on
crown
or
vigor,
but
does
comment
on
dead
wood
that
can
be
maintained
through
pruning
at
a
cost
to
us.
He
notes
that
the
tree
leans
towards
her
home,
but
thinks
that
structurally
sound.
He
included
a
picture
in
his
report,
but
I
do
not
feel
the
angle
he
captured
accurately
demonstrates
the
severity
of
the
lien
I've
included.
A
picture
that
I
feel
illustrates
this
more
precisely.
S
I
personally
feel
that
it
will
become
a
hazard
hazard
as
it
grows
larger
and
fear
for
my
family
safety
and
strong
wind
storms
and
worry
about
the
damage
the
following
treatment
could
cause
to
any
person
or
my
home
itself.
Our
new
landscaping
plan
includes
the
replantation
of
at
least
half
a
dozen
or
more
columnar
trees
for
privacy
around
the
perimeter
of
our
property.
In
spite
of
this,
we
were
also
fully
prepared
to
pay
the
fees
associated
with
removing
the
trees.
S
I'm
wondering
why,
when
we
were
going
through
the
proper
channels,
are
we
expected
to
pay
more
than
their
agreed-upon
penalty
that
the
city
deemed
acceptable
for
others
and
join
this
process
and
short?
Why
should
we
have
the
same
cost
and
fate
as
someone
who
broke
the
rules?
Urban
forestry
goes
on
to
list
the
many
benefits
of
mature
trees
in
the
neighborhood.
He
cites
advantages,
such
as
improving
quality
of
urban
life,
aesthetically,
pleasing
and
softening
the
hard
lines
of
bill
forms,
Adair
suggested.
S
And
although
I
can't
speak
to
the
specific
statistics
on
that
piece
of
information,
because
I've
never
seen
or
heard
any
evidence
to
support
that
I,
find
it
illogical
and
can
think
of
many
examples
that
negate
the
a
certain
I
can
think
of
similar
reasons
and
advantages
of
having
a
safe
backyard
environment
for
my
children
and
their
friends
and
neighbors
to
grow
up
with
wrap
up
please
it's
summer.
I
hope
that
the
City
Council
finds
it
reasonable
to
consider
our
appeal.
We
appreciate
the
values
the
trees
can
provide
and
we
plan
on
replanting
as
well.
S
I
G
B
So
when
the
report
mentions
that
the
tree
is
in
fair
condition,
that's
the
assessment
or
the
condition
rating
given
by
the
property
owners
arborist,
so
the
city
city
staff
rate
trees
is
poor,
hazardous
or
healthy.
In
our
assessment,
the
arborist
that
was
the
report
that
was
submitted
to
us
said
the
tree
does
have
a
lien.
He
saw
evidence
of
honey,
locust
plant
bug.
He
said
the
tree
itself
is
structurally
sound
and
the
crown
is
well
balanced.
B
H
G
B
Believe
for
a
contravention
where
there's
evidence
that
a
tree
was
removed,
that
a
permit
for
the
compliance
that
they
would
seek
is
five
replacement
trees
for
the
one
removed
and
that's
acknowledging
that
the
property
owner
removed
the
tree
without
going
through
the
proper
process
and
denied
the
city
and
community
counsel
of
making
the
decision
when
a
tree
goes
on
appeal
to
community
counsel.
Our
default
is
the
five
to
one,
because
urban
forestry
is
recommendation.
Is
that
the
we're
planting
proposed
and
due
to
the
health
of
the
tree
removal
just
can't
be
compensated.
K
G
B
G
G
G
G
B
I
It's
it's
more
often
than
not
they're
turned
down,
and
then
they
go
to
kit
or,
if
they're
approved
here
they
go
to
Council
in
their
turn
down
there.
So
I
do
not
see
how,
in
the
city,
we
are
encouraging
people
to
follow
the
processing
and
keep
trees
when
the
process
is
so
onerous
and
so
against.
Private
property
rights
and
homeowners.
D
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker
I'm
gonna
be
moving
the
staff
recommendations
to
denied
the
removal
of
the
tree
and
and
I
agree
that
we're
not
we're
not
maybe,
as
straight
with
that
with
folks
as
we
should
be.
This
resident
maid
may
well
find
herself
back
here
soon
enough
and
lest
some
counter
site
person
had
the
foresight
to
tell
them
this.
The
the
real.
The
real
reason
for
for
wanting
to
remove
this
tree
is
to
redo
the
back
yard,
but
we
do
actually
have
a
say
in
people's
backyards.
D
We
tell
them
whether
or
not
they
can
have
chickens,
and
some
of
us
had
pretty
strong
opinions
about
whether
or
not
they
should
have
chickens
back
there.
We
tell
them
they
have
to
put
pools
around
their
fence
and
in
this
one
there's
an
attachment
here
of
a
drying
that
that
we're
removing
this
tree
to
put
it
in
a
pool
that
is
going
to
bring
this
person
back
to
this
this
chamber,
because
currently
the
drawing
shows
that
the
pool
will
not
be
fenced
in.
D
So
we
aren't
as
straight
with
people
as
we
had
to
be
and
I
know
that
in
in
the
case
of
forestry,
they
are
being
to
tell
people
that
that
the
the
counsel
reputation
is
pretty
consistent.
Particularly
in
this
term
of
office.
We
have
been
supporting
staff
and
their
evaluations,
and
so
I'm
gonna
be
moving
staff
recommendations
here
and
I
hope
that
the
that
the
resident
will
definitely
talk
to
their
designer
because
they
need
to
be
designing
a
back
yard
so
that
the
pool
can
be
entirely
enclosed.
G
I'm
actually
going
to
support
counselor
grab
on
this
one
I
came
to
the
same
conclusion,
but
for
different
reasons:
I
think
to
councillor
Carol's
point
being
straight
with
people.
It
goes
back
to
councillor
Cole's
point,
which
is
it
really
doesn't
matter
what
we
decide
here.
It's
going
to
get
overturned
at
a
City
Council
to
protect
the
tree
at
all
costs.
I
do
disagree
with
councillor
grab
in
terms
of
property
rights.
G
G
All
that
said,
and
why
I'm
gonna
support
councillor
grab
is
that
it
just
strikes
me
as
wrong
while
odd
to
begin
with,
but
then
ultimately
wrong
that
when
someone
goes
through
the
proper
channels,
the
the
difference
between
going
through
the
proper
channels
and
just
cutting
down
a
tree
and
and
rolling
the
dice
which
so
many
people
do
is
potentially
$100.
There
has
to
be
some
sort
of
reward
for
good,
behavior
and
so
I'll
be
supporting
councillor.
G
J
E
K
T
T
T
The
tree
structure,
integrity
is
fair
and
poor,
and
the
crown
vigor
is
fair.
A
large
wound
at
the
base
of
the
tree
reveals
that
the
main
stem
has
integrity
issues.
This
is
a
poor
tree
by
by
the
looks
of
it,
have
some
pictures
for
the
tree
to
show
this
is
this
is
the
tree.
It
has
a
problem
at
the
base
of
it
and
in
June,
with
a
little
bit
of
rain
and
a
little
bit
of
wind,
the
tree
lost
a
very
big
branch,
as
shown
by
this
picture.
T
It
lost
a
very
big
branch
just
as
a
result
of
some
wind
and
some
rain.
This
is
the
branch
that
was
cut
by
the
tree.
It's
over
about
20
feet,
long
or
maybe
longer
just
buy
some.
If
this
has
fallen
onto
my
sons,
I
have
two
sons
or
on
any
of
our
cars.
It
would
have
been
a
big
problem
for
us.
That's
the
first
reason
why
I'm
requesting
for
this
tree
to
be
removed.
The
second
reason,
which
is
also
a
strong
reason
for
myself.
T
R
O
T
The
reason
is
because
there
is
a
hydro
pole
right
here
at
this
point
at
the
left
side
of
the
driveway,
and
the
tree
in
question
is
on
the
right-hand
side
of
the
of
the
tree
of
the
driveway,
and
now
we
are
asked
by
the
staff
to
have
the
following
driveway,
which
is
gonna.
Look
like
this.
This
is
a
hundred
feet,
property.
The
frontage
is
150
feet
and
the
property
has
three
car
garage,
and
now
we
are
forced
to
have
a
driveway
that
will
only
fit
one
car
the
way
it
shows.
T
T
Again,
as
I
mentioned,
the
tree
is
poor.
The
trees
condition
is
not
healthy.
It's
poor
in
accordance
to
the
property,
The
Arbors
report,
and
we
are
willing
to
pay
the
cost
of
the
tree
and
we're
willing
to
pay
for
the
replacement
of
the
tree,
and
as
I
mentioned,
there
is
a
concern
to
me
and
to
my
family
about
the
the
safety
and
also
that
we
have
submitted
an
application,
a
building
application
to
City
of
Toronto
Building
Department,
based
on
a
four
point.
T
Five,
seven
driveway
and
we
got
approved,
and
now
we
are
forced
without
our
even
permission,
someone
decided
that
the
driveway
has
to
be
three
meter
only
because
they
had
to
reserve
this
tree
and
because
we
cannot
remove
the
pole
on
the
other
side.
So
this
is
a
very
difficult
situation
and
I
would
appreciate
your
consideration
into
this
matter.
Thank.
D
T
T
My
contractor
myself
and
we
submitted
an
application
based
on
an
arborist
report
based
on
an
surveys
by
the
our
surveyors.
We
submitted
all
that
to
the
city
and
we
got
approved
for
a
four
point:
five,
seven
and
now
we
are
forced
without
our
nobody
even
consulted
us
I
got
a
letter
saying
that
the
driveway
is
going
to
be
three
meter
and
I
went
and
I
tried
to
oppose
that
and
and
I
got
denied.
D
D
D
H
C
D
Carol
yeah,
madam
Speaker
I
hope
people
had
had
a
chance
to
look
at
this.
I
can
only
assume
that
that
we
are
following
our
procedures
when,
when
people
apply
I
think
it's
a
flaw
in
the
process
and
I
have
sympathy
for
the
owner.
I
think
we
should
be
stopping
them
right
then,
and
there,
but
what
they
are
generally
told,
is
oh
by
the
way.
There's
a
tree
here
and
and
only
counsel
can
remove
a
tree
that
that
is
basically
what
what
folks
are
told.
I
was
once
told
in
my
own
self
fixing
my
own
house.
D
H
C
Q
So
mr.
Yeo
is
here,
but
he
has
advised
he
doesn't
need
to
speak
and
and
I'm
happy
to
move
the
the
motion
that
has
been
prepared
by
the
staff,
essentially
moving.
The
staff
recommendation
number
two,
with
the
condition
that
the
corrugated
fence
not
be
permitted
between
the
property
line
and
essentially
the
front
of
the
buildings,
so
that
and
no
views
are
obstructed.
So
staff
recommendation
to
with
that
minor
condition.
D
A
Q
D
C
G
G
H
G
C
Understand
now,
as
you
know,
this
came
from
the
parents
this
morning
and
they
informed
us
that
the
school
lets
out
at
3:30,
and
so,
if
we
changed
the
time
from
3:30
to
Florrick
four
o'clock,
when
they
can
park
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
street,
it
would
give
them
more
flexibility.
Okay,
so
that's
fine!
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
raising
it
any
other
questions.