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Scarborough Community Council, meeting 24, September 6, 2017 - Part 2 of 2
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Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIrt1wsiZKA#t=15m42s
A
C
B
Okay,
the
notice,
as
amended
by
councillor
Crawford
after
the
preliminary
report,
came
to
council
for
the
community
meeting
encompass
2500
addresses.
It
went
up
to
all
the
buildings
on
the
north
side
of
Eglinton
down
Markham
all
the
way
down
to
Hill
Crescent,
but
only
on
the
north
side
of
Hill
Crescent
and
out
to
Scarborough
Golf
Club
Road.
A
A
B
I
think
what
would
happen
is
the
OMB
would
look
at
the
applicable
policies
and
guidelines,
and
one
of
the
most
important
ones
is
that
Kingston
Road
is
an
avenue
and
we
have
along
the
avenues.
Planning
has
the
avenue
and
mid-rise
building
guidelines
and
the
maximum
height
there
would
be
the
same
height
as
the
width
of
the
street,
which
could
be
12
stories.
Okay,.
A
A
A
C
Think
I
can
address
that
question.
The
marking,
Tain's
square
development
occurred
roughly
six
to
eight
years
ago.
I
was
here
as
a
planning
manager
at
the
time
dealing
with
the
north
part
of
the
Scarborough
district.
However,
I
do
recall
that
as
part
of
the
application
for
residential
intensification
of
an
existing
commercial
plaza
and
site
that
the
city
also
did
a
revitalized,
revitalization
study
around
the
application,
and
so
it
was
a
very
significant
review,
including
quite
a
bit
of
community
consultation.
C
A
B
E
Thank
you,
man,
I'm
sure,
just
turn
the
questions
I
mean
I'm,
getting
a
little
bit
of
two
stories
in
some
ways.
One
is
is
that
this
space,
this
particular
area,
is
zoned
for
possibly
a
20-plus
floor
development
and
then
on
the
other
side,
there
are
some
that
believe
this
is
done
for
only
four
floors.
So
can
you
clarify?
Why
did
why
did
it
actually,
what
can
be
done
with
that
space?
Thank
you
through.
B
This
little
stretch
here
and
everything
that's
in
the
yellow
is
designated
neighborhoods,
not
zoned.
Under
the
Official
Plan.
We
don't
use
that
term.
We
use
designation.
So
that's
a
designated
neighborhood
they're,
the
ones
that
are
in
the
orange
or
designated
apartment,
neighborhood
and
the
ones
in
the
red
or
designated
mixed-use,
and
they
have
different
meanings.
None
of
them,
except
the
neighborhoods,
has
a
height
limit
in
not
in
the
neighborhoods
designation.
B
B
E
B
Commercial
zoning
is
because
at
one
point,
Kingston
Road
was
way
too,
and
it
was
considered
a
highway
and
the
kinds
of
uses
that
you
allowed
along
there,
where
the
things
you
still
see
today,
which
are
used,
car
lots
and
motels
and
gas
stations
and
a
car
wash
in
this
case
and
a
variety
of
other
kinds
of
things.
Nobody
had
made
an
application
until
this
point
to
change
and
update
that
zoning
and
the
highway
commercial
zoning
did
not
have
a
height
limit
to
it.
Now.
E
B
The
official
plan
was
first
adopted
by
council
in
2002.
It
was
then
immediately
appealed
by
a
number
of
parties.
Those
appeals
were
resolved
and
an
OMB
order
was
issued
in
2006,
which
is
when
the
official
plan
came
into
full
force
in
effect.
So
it's
been
around
for
what
11
years,
but
but
the
designations
of
whatnot
were
proposed
about
15
years
ago.
So.
E
Apartment
so
there,
the
philosophy
behind
it
that
the
apartment,
neighborhoods
and
the
other
neighborhoods
have
to
be
separate,
and
you
know
in
many
parts
of
Scarborough
tically
in
the
northern
part
of
Scarborough
in
Agincourt
and
so
on.
We
have
mixed
their
apartments
and
a
part
of
a
neighbourhood.
From
our
point
of
view,
how?
How
was
this
thought
process
on
separating
our
apartments
that
separate
from
the
neighborhoods
and
so
on?
So.
B
B
It
was
important
to
bring
all
of
those
disparate
approaches
to
development
together
in
a
single
document,
and
it
took
a
few
years,
but
that's
what
we
wound
up
with
in
this
official
plan.
So
a
big
theme
in
the
Official
Plan
was
to
try
to
knit
together
a
number
of
different
approaches
to
do
to
come
to
some
common
common
approach
going
forward.
So
a
lot
of
what
we
see,
particularly
out
in
in
the
suburban
areas.
B
We
see
that
the
old
official
plans
in
some
way
we're
basically
mirrored
in
the
new
official
plan
designations,
although
the
designations
are
actually
somewhat
different.
This
particular
property
and
the
old
official
plan
was
designated
as
medium
density
residential,
but
that
had
a
different
meaning
than
it
does
in
Toronto,
and
so
by.
Whatever
deliberations
happened
15
years
ago,
it
was
decided
to
label
it
as
neighbourhoods.
C
B
Through
the
chair,
yes,
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
about
water
issues
in
in
the
area
and
what's
potential
impact
the
building
might
have
to
be
fared.
There's
been
an
ongoing
review
and
engineering
information,
that's
being
pulled
together
brought
forward,
but
we
didn't
let
this
item
come
to
council
until
those
things
were
finished.
However,
the
last
time
we
met
with
the
community
at
that
time
it
was
proposed
that
the
building
would
be
watertight
and
so
I
believe
the
feeling
by
the
community
is
that
that
would
create
a
displacement
issue.
B
B
So
a
lot
of
people
have
tried
that
route
in
this
particular
place,
because
there
is,
there
is
water
around
there
and
it's
been
determined
that
the
capacity
is
there
to
collect
and
pump
as
a
normal
drainage,
tile
and
sump
up.
So
the
system
would
do.
That's
the
that's.
The
approach
that
they're
proposing.
F
G
F
F
Because
the
the
feeling
amongst
a
lot
of
the
residents
that
in
particular
here
today
are
they
feel
that
almost
a
complete
opposite
of
the
the
traffic
study
that
was
done.
The
people
living
in
this
building
are
gonna
mostly
use
Bethune
in
Hillcrest
and
then
Markham
Road
to
do
a
shortcut
in
and
out
of
the
community.
But
that's
not
what
this
study
found.
The.
B
Study
the
study
looked
at
what
would
be
the
quickest
easiest
and
most
logical
way
to
move
and
and
I'll
draw
it
on
the
map,
if
that's,
okay,
so
the
building
the
buildings
proposed
in
this,
this
piece
of
property,
that's
surrounded
on
all
sides
by
roads
and
if
people
are
leaving
there
in
the
morning,
let's
say
that's.
That
would
be
the
typical
movement.
B
B
F
And
then
the
the
service
road
I
think,
is
what
it's
officially
called,
so
the
traffic
that
would
come
out
of
this
building
is
that
detrimental
affecting
the
capacity
of
the
service
road
in
morning
rush
hour
to
the
point
where
you
would
come
out
of
building.
Oh,
you
know
what
I'm
gonna
I'm
gonna
take
the
the
longer
route
through
Hillcrest
Center
bethune,
down
to
two
more
Markham
Road.
B
Well,
I'm,
not
a
traffic
specialist,
so
I
should
probably
defer
this
to
to
the
traffic
specialist.
Who
is
here
in
the
room
and
could
probably
answer
that.
But
what
I
will
say
this
counselor
is
I
spent
two
mornings
parked
here
and
here
monitoring
traffic
and
what
people
are
saying
is
correct.
There's
a
lot
of
traffic
on
hill
Crescent.
It
mostly
actually
comes
up
the
hill
from
down
on
Bethune
and
then
goes
that
way.
B
F
B
Some
pedestrian
traffic
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
certain
as
to
whether
I
was
there
during
peak
school
times
of
the
year.
So
I'll
be
very
honest
about
that.
I'll
say
it
never
took
me
more
than
a
couple
of
seconds
of
waiting
before
I
could
cross
the
street
on
Hill
Crescent
and
there
was
a
school
bus
that
came
up,
Muir
Drive,
to
go
to
the
school
here
at
one
time
and.
F
F
All
right,
okay,
I'm!
Sorry!
Then,
then,
the
last
question
I
have
is
about
stacked
townhouses.
If
you
were
to
take
this
piece
of
property
and
the
developer
instead
did
stacked
townhouses
with
the.
In
your
opinion,
wall
parking
with
the
number
of
Motor
Vehicles
in
the
development.
Would
it
be
more
or
less
than
what's
being
presented
or
submitted
in
this
application?.
G
Through
you,
madam
chair
I'm,
here
covering
for
the
acting
director,
miss
karlie
Hanks,
and
we
have
staff
here.
The
traffic
planning
staff
did
review
the
traffic
impact
study.
So
the
questions
regarding
the
traffic
impact
study
I'll,
defer
to
mr.
Bob
Taylor,
the
manager
of
traffic
planning
and
right-of-way
management.
Okay,.
C
Madam
chair,
this
development,
as
we
look
at
people
areas,
was
only
going
to
be
an
average
of
less
than
one
vehicle
per
minute
during
the
peak
periods
and
as
for
the
question
regarding
stacked
townhomes,
what
we've
seen
recently
coming
into
us?
A
lot
of
them
are
going
with
underground
parking,
so
they
can
put
more
units
in
and
I
would
take
a
guess
that
we
would
have
equivalent
okay.
F
G
Madam
chair,
in
terms
of
traffic
operations,
experience
in
general
about
Hill,
Crescent
and
collisions
were
not
aware
of
Hill
Crescent
having
any
major
collision
history
that
we
need
to
be
concerned
about.
There
was
reference
in
the
public
deputations
to
a
fatality
on
hill
crescent,
and
the
only
fatality
that
I'm
aware
of
in
the
last
10
years
would
be
one
in
early
2009
and
solving
two
vehicles
into
high-speed
collision.
I'm,
not
aware
of
any
pedestrian
fatalities
in
this
area.
Okay,.
H
B
B
Well,
we
look
at
we
look
at
the
applications
in
terms
of
the
provincial
policies
and
the
provincial
policy
stress
very
much
intensification
along
high
priority
transit
corridors.
Our
official
plan
also
identifies
both
Eglinton
and
Kingston
Road
as
high
priority
transit
corridors.
So
yes,
that
did
factor
into
the
analysis.
D
D
B
Was
not
an
Avenue
study
done
here?
There
was
for
the
marking,
Tain's
square
application.
There
was
an
Avenue
segment
study
done,
which
is
a
developer,
led
analysis
that
more
or
less
took
a
look
at
what
they
call
soft
sites
sites
that
would
be
easily
redeveloped
and
what
kind
of
development
form
it
would
take,
but
it
really
took
its
cue
from
the
Official
Plan
designations
at
the
time.
Okay,.
D
B
That's
on
the
street
if
there's
also
an
issue
of
light,
so
as
we
get
into
walls
of
tall
buildings,
that
of
course
reduces
the
amount
of
light
and
particularly
direct
sunlight
onto
the
street,
where
we
want
to
maintain
a
minimum
of
five
hours
of
continuous
sunlight
at
any
one
point
on
these
streets.
The
the
mid
rise
form
of
buildings
allows
us
to
do
that.
B
You
only
see
the
first
three
or
four
storeys
the
rest
of
them
are
their
chairs
back.
So
you
don't
see
them.
You
start
to
see
them
the
further
away.
You
are
and,
of
course,
the
further
away
you
are
you're
further
away,
so
there's
less
impact
of
the
height
of
the
building,
and
that's
one
of
the
main
reasons
that
we
do.
The
angular
planes
is
because
we
found
that
that
has
a
real
noticeable
feel
effect
on
the
ground,
for
particularly
the
properties
that
are
next
door
to
where
something's
being
proposed.
B
D
B
Correct
it
wouldn't
know:
well,
we
would
still
apply
angular
planes
if
there's
something
big
proposed
right
next
door
to
somebody's
house
in
this
case.
There's
a
street
that's
in
between.
So
we
take
the
angular
planes
from
the
nearest
property
line
across
the
street.
On
the
other
side,
yes,
in
neighborhoods,
mid
rise,
mid
rise
is
defined
in
our
planning
languages,
between
five
and
twelve
stories,
so
in
the
neighborhoods
for
and
below
they,
they
wouldn't
necessarily
apply.
Okay,.
B
If
the
designation
amendment
is
approved,
there's
two
parts
to
the
amendment.
The
first
one
is
to
change
the
designation
from
yellow
neighborhoods
to
orange
apartment,
neighborhoods,
there's
no
height
limit
to
apartment
neighborhoods.
So
in
order
to
ensure
that
it
stays
as
the
nine
story,
it's
not
eight,
not
ten,
its
nine,
the
nine
story
building
then
the
second
part
of
the
proposed
amendment
comes
into
play,
which
is
the
proposed
state,
an
area,
specific
policy
that
specifies
nine
stories
and
28
meters.
Okay,.
D
So
it's
so
that's
what
the
because
I
know
that
that
other
numbers
were
thrown
around,
such
as
twenty
and
twenty-five
stories,
but
if
this
were
to
pass
today
that
the
report
from
planning
as
and
your
your
report,
which
is
before
us
today,
that
one
would
have
a
height
restriction
of
nine
stories.
That's.
I
You,
madam
Speaker,
listen
it's
the
question
a
little.
A
little
more
general
we've
been
talking
about
the
the
designation
of
this
particular
site
is
neighborhood.
So
when
you
go
down
Kingston,
Road,
four
or
five
kilometres
down
into
birch
Cliff
in
this
area,
Kingston
Road
is
six
lanes
wide
and
in
Birch
Cliff
it's
only
four
lanes
wide
and
we
have
a
number
of
applications
condos
that
are
coming
in
anywhere
from
four
up
to
eight
and
I.
Think
nine
stories
is
birch
cliff
in
that
area.
B
The
chair
most
of
Kingston
Road,
through
birch
cliff,
is
designated
mixed
use
areas,
it's
still
an
Avenue,
so
the
Avenue
and
mid-rise
building
guidelines
would
apply.
However,
there
was
a
there
was
a
study
done
for
birch
cliff
that
came
out
with
some
different
parameters,
and
so
those
are
the
one
that
were
being
applied
now
to
look
at
those
proposals.
Okay,.
I
It
was
mentioned
in
some
of
the
deputations
that
our
staff
were
disrespectful
and
and
I,
take
personal
affront
to
that.
I
was
at
all
the
meetings
and
as
much
as
a
meeting
and
we've
all
been
through
public
meetings
and
they
are
contentious
and
they
have
a
lot
of
people
with
a
lot
of
different
views
and
they're.
I
Not
the
easiest
meetings
and
I
understand
that,
and
these
two
meetings
that
we
had
with
the
community
was
challenging
meetings
on
for
our
staff
and
also
for
the
applicant,
but
our
staff
were
incredibly
professional
at
all
times
in
their
capacity
in
their
roles
to
be
able
to
work
through.
As
I
said,
these
meetings.
The
second
meeting
we
had
was
not
a
statutory
meeting.
We
did
not,
as
according
to
the
the
planning
or
the
the
Planning
Act
have
to
have
a
second
meeting.
I
We
had
the
first
statutory
meeting,
but
I
felt
it
was
really
important
to
go
to
the
applicant
and
to
go
to
our
staff
and
say
there
are
still
questions
by
this
community
and
I
was
hearing
them.
So
we
had
this
second
meeting
and
I
want
to
thank
the
applicant
I
want
to
thank
the
plan,
the
applicant
for
number
when
agreeing
to
this
because
they
technically
didn't
have
to
and
if
they
wanted
to
put
up
a
wall.
I
If
they
wanted
to
fight
this,
they
could
have
easily
done
that,
but
they
came
out
knowing
it
was
going
to
be
a
tough
meeting,
know
it
was
going
to
be
a
challenging
meeting
and
they
and
and
through
my
insistence,
I
guess
they
did.
This
second
meeting
was
very
challenging
and
a
lot
of
the
people
here
today
expressed
that
and
a
lot
of
the
people
here
today
were
actually
there,
but
I
just
wanted
to
very
upfront.
I
Thank
you
know
the
staff
for
that
and
also
the
applicant
for
the
work
this
has
been
in
the
works
for
easily
three
or
four
years.
This
has
not
been
an
easy
process
and
I
also
want
to
thank
the
the
community.
They
are
passionate
absolutely
and
they
are
passionate
for
a
reason,
because
they
care
about
the
community
and
I.
Do
not
when
I
look
at
again
the
passion
that
they
bring
today
and
the
passion
they
brought
to
those
communities.
I
They
have
every
operate
to
be
able
to
do
that
and
they
did
bring
that
there
and,
as
I
said,
they
were
contentious
meetings
and
they
were
challenged
in
meetings.
But
I
want
to
thank
them
number
one
for
their
their
commitment
to
the
community
and
the
organization.
I
have
been
and,
as
I
said,
we've
all
been
to
meetings
where
communities
come
out
and-
and
they
may
complain
they
may
support.
I
But
this
community
came
out
and
they
were
very
organized
I
had
the
opportunity
to
sit
down
with
a
number
of
them
to
kind
of
guide
them
through
the
process
of
what
it
looks
like
and
how
you
get
through
this
kind
of
a
process
and
I
just
wanted
and
they've
listened
and
I
think
they
as
passionate
as
they
were.
They
came
out
today
and
one
good
example
would
be.
I
Don't
come
out,
don't
have
3040
people
coming
out,
have
four
or
five
six
people
come
out
and
be
very
specific
on
the
points
you
want
to
make
and
make
sure
those
points
are
planning
related
and
I.
Think
they
did
that
so
I
want
to
thank
them
on
that.
We
have
and
with
respect
to
hope.
I
could
have
a
couple
of
extra
minutes
on
this.
I
Madam
chair,
because
I
had
to
say
that
we
have
incredible
amounts
of
transformation
happening
on
Kingston,
not
only
in
my
ward
but
in
councilor,
Ainsley's,
councillor,
hearts
and
even
going
to
council
Mary
McMann
all
along
Kingston
Road.
We
have
30,000
people,
50,000
people
moving
into
this
city
every
year
and
the
other
going
up
downtown,
but
they're
also
starting
to
spread
out
into
our
communities
and
the
official
plan
you
know,
has
rules
and
guidelines
about
density.
We
have
midline
mid-rise
guidelines
that
are
there
and
I
have
many
applications
for
six.
I
I
J
J
What
I
sense
is
we're
really
arguing
over
about
four
storeys
of
height
I?
Don't
think
I
heard
anyone
today
say
we
are
against
a
building
or
we
are
against
people
coming
into
our
community
they're,
not
against
any
of
those
things.
They
don't
like
the
you
know,
and
and
I
my
memories
capture
people
to
four
storeys
would
be
okay,
but
not
8
storeys.
J
So
really,
this
fight
is
over
8,
storeys
and
I
have
to
put
that
into
the
context
as
an
elected
councillor,
with
the
knowledge
that
there
are
1
million
people
moving
into
the
GTA
by
2031
all
of
our
provincial
policy
statements.
All
of
our
growth
targets,
all
of
our
legally
mandated
requirements
say
there
are
a
million
more
people
moving
into
the
GTA,
many
of
them
coming
in
south
of
steals
they're
coming
in
from
around
the
world
they're
coming
in
from
across
Canada
they're,
coming
in
from
across
Ontario.
J
This
city
is
wealthy,
its
vibrant,
its
alive
people
want
to
live
here,
and
people
want
to
live
in
Scarborough
too.
So,
when
I
look
at
that
volume
of
people
coming
into
our
city
coming
into
Scarborough,
they've
got
to
live
somewhere
and
if
we
don't
go
up,
we
have
to
go
out,
but
many
of
us
in
this
chamber
support,
supported
and
continue
to
support
the
creation
of
the
Rouge
Valley
National
Park.
We
don't
want
housing
out
there,
north
of
the
zoo.
We
don't
want
housing
on
the
Oak
Ridges
Moraine.
J
We
don't
want
to
pave
over
our
farm
fields,
so
either
we
go
up
or
we
go
out
and
I
look
at
this
site
and
this
fight
over
four
stories
and
some
of
the
concerns
people
have
and
I
and
I
think,
but
the
the
Japanese
community
center,
which
is
taller
than
this
building,
was
built
a
couple
of
decades
ago.
It
hasn't
hurt
these
people's
quality
of
life,
they
actually
many
of
them
at
or
some
of
them
have
purchased
her
houses
after
the
Japanese
cultural
center
and
health
center
was
created.
There's
a
there's,
a
nine-story
building
there.
J
Today,
it
was
there
ten
years
ago
when
they
bought
their
houses,
they're
very
nice
people
who
live
in
in
that
cultural
center.
They
go
for
walks.
They
walk
along
Hill
Crescent
that
still
doesn't
have
sidewalks
to
this
day.
So
I
look
at
that
quote
precedent
that
was
set
decades
ago
of
allowing
a
senior's
building
there
that's
nine
stories,
it
hasn't
destroyed
the
community.
It
still
has
sought-after
neighborhood
house
prices
are
still
going
up.
It's
a
beautiful
place
to
live
so
when
I
look
at
the
staff
report.
J
If
certainly
if
this
was
in
my
ward,
I
would
be
saying
grab
this
because
this
application
protects
the
community.
It
gives
you
if
some
people
might
call
it
a
devil.
It
gives
you
a
devil
that
you
know
it's
a
project,
that's
nine
stories,
tall
I,
don't
consider
it
a
devil.
I,
actually
think
it's
a
very
good
development
application.
A
lot
of
people
who
came
here
again
today
didn't
complain
about
this.
That
or
the
other
thing
about
the
building
about
the
unit
size,
about
the
profile
of
people
who
might
be
moving
into
their
community.
J
They
didn't,
they
didn't
argue
against
the
building.
It
was
against
the
height
and
I.
Look
at
this
and
I
go
again.
Some
of
us
who
have
been
around
a
while
the
official
plan
can
say
anything
it
wants
once
you
have
zoning
on
a
site.
Zoning
is
your
legal
right
and
if
you
are
zoned
whatever
it
may
be,
that's
what
you're
allowed
to
build.
There
can
be
an
office
tower
here.
There
can
be
a
hotel
here.
There
can
be
a
banquet
hall
in
that
hotel.
J
There
can
be
all
sorts
of
things
here
that
would
be
uses
that
would
be
I
would
say,
have
an
impact
greater
much
greater
than
this
current
application
they're
going
to
have
a
sleepy,
charming,
mid-rise,
condo
development
close
to
their
community
and
those
people
will
walk,
downhill,
doesn't
just
like
the
rest
of
them.
Their
kids
will
go
to
the
same
school
they'll,
lock
their
dogs,
it'll,
exchange
stories
about
who's,
a
good
vet
or
where
you,
where
you
get
good,
Somozas
or
whatever
you
want
to
do
so.
I.
J
J
A
Guilt
over
the
child's
death
November
25,
our
family,
moved
to
Gill
wood
from
the
beaches
18
years
ago,
where
our
son
John,
our
son
Jonathan,
met
tea
period,
comma,
who
was
driving
the
car,
the
crashed
and
Hill
Crescent
eight
and
a
half
months
ago,
killing
our
son.
If
only
we
hadn't
moved
here,
our
son
would
still
be
alive,
but
this
is
a
wonderful
neighborhood
and
as
Judy
Herzl
suggesting
radical,
it's
not
the
neighborhood,
but
faith
that
took
our
son.
All
of
the
what-ifs
won't
bring.
H
A
Madam
chair,
that
the
accident
that
happened
was
a
cause
of
concern
and
I'm
just
reading
this.
This
is
from
Heather
table
which
she's
from
Scarborough.
This
is
the
mother
and
I
think
this
was
truly
an
accident.
This
was
not
because
there
was
increased
traffic.
This
is
not
going
to
cause.
You
know
the
hundred
cars
that
gonna
park
underground
in
the
Henry
25
space
that
they
have
units
99
units
that
got
130
spark
in
space
25
for
visitors.
There's
no
gonna
be
accessed
vehicles
on
the
street.
A
Even
if
people
come
to
visit,
there's
not
gonna,
be
people
out
there
that
will
creating
more
havoc
about
parking.
We
have
no
place
to
go
as
councillor
de
barranca
said
in
Toronto,
but
up
and
if
you
visit
some
some
metropolitan
cities
around
the
world,
you
see
buildings
that
are
70
80.
I
when
people
are
getting
along
with
each
other,
we
heard
about
sidewalks
I
bet
you
counselor
Ange.
They
were
supposed
to
go
talk
to
his
constituents
say.
I
would
like
to
put
a
sidewalk
here:
there'll
be
a
riot
on
the
street
they'll
be
totally
alright.
A
You
were
taken
away.
My
space
on
I
got
the
same
thing
at
Kennedy
and
Sheppard
I've
got
development
happening
in
my
area,
probably
more
development
than
most
of
the
counselors
here.
I've
got
well
except
my
colleague
in
Agincourt.
No,
you
got
11
towers,
I
got
13
coming
up
a
bride.
Would
so
I
mean
instead
of
saying?
No,
we
don't
want
it
and
we
should
say
this
is
reasonable.
It
is
not
something
which
is
20
stories
high,
it's
not
something
which
is
25
stories
high
of
any
of
a
tower
for
business.
A
It
is
a
low-rise,
eight
story.
Building
that
accommodates
ninety
nine
units
that
has
130
spaces
of
parking
and
25
of
that
is
for
visitors.
I
have
a
similar
situation
at
echo
point
and
same
land
and
they've
got
61
or
62
units
for
stock
townhomes
same
footprint.
So
the
only
thing
you're
getting
is
another
37
38
units,
but
instead
of
arguing
and
cause
this
to
go
to
the
OMB,
and
you
could
end
up
getting
something
higher,
you
can
it's
a
crapshoot
when
you
go
there
or
you
might
win.
A
A
That
I
heard
from
the
lady
that
bought
the
house,
him
that
bought
the
property
I'm
sure
if
she's
still
hearing
or
she
left
she's
looking
forward
to
coming
to
live
with
you,
so
instead
of
fighting,
they
proposed
new
neighbors
I
would
say
to
you
that
you
might
want
to
reach
out
to
them.
They
also
heard
about
the
Japanese
cultural
center,
the
person
that
mentioned
that
wasn't
even
sure
if
it
was
a
cultural
center,
we're
seeing
her
soul
or
what
they
did
there.
You
know
these
are
your
neighbors.
A
This
is
people
that
live
with
you
instead
of
saying.
Yes,
we
would
welcome
you,
you
know
in
a
role
right,
you,
you
know,
there's
a
fight,
that's
going
on!
I
think
the
fight
is
coming
because
of
the
folks
across
the
street
that
they're
in
the
20s
story
building
and
they
don't
like
to
have
their
views,
blocks
and
they're.
Saying
I'm,
gonna
fight
this
and
I'm
gonna
move
everybody
that
there's
thurzo
ver
they're,
usually
apartment
buildings,
I
find
that
people
that
live
in
those
pebbles
are
not
mobile.
A
I
mean
they're
they're,
not
mobile,
in
getting
organized
they're,
not
you
know
they
just
go
to
work.
They
come
back
home
and
that's
it.
You
don't
have
residents,
associations
that
are
in
my
ward,
anyways,
that
are
the
president
of
the
resident
association
lives
in
an
apartment.
I
would
say
to
you.
The
whole
motivation
here
tend
to
be
corrected,
but
it
stands
from
the
fact
that
we're
gonna
block
the
view
and
we're
gonna
fight
it
because
we
don't
want
to
if
you
blocked
and
we're
gonna.
Take
this
to
the
limits.
Well.
A
K
K
K
Fulfilled
his
interpretation
of
the
dynamics
of
the
decision-making
process
at
Scarborough
Council,
the
building
is
attractive.
That's
a
good
looking
if
they're
gonna
build
what
they're
showing
here,
that's
a
good
looking
building.
Secondly,
the
issue
of
water.
We've
been
told
that
there
will
be
actually
fewer
problems
with
water.
Then
there
are
right
now.
Traffic,
almost
every
issue
that
is
contentious
has
traffic
at
its
core
and
I've
learned
over
time
that
the
traffic
engineers
are
accurate.
This
is
an
engineering
discipline.
K
These
people
bring
an
amazing
amount
of
talent
and
insight
into
their
evaluations
of
the
traffic
impact
of
a
development
in
a
community
and
as
well
as
their
in
their
input.
We
have
the
city
that
reviews
all
the
reports
that
go
in
and
I
think
we've
got
a
first-rate
professional
civil
service
here
in
Toronto
and
in
particular
in
Scarborough,
and
so
very
chair.
H
H
H
But
I
turn
and
end
up
supporting
it.
In
fact,
I
support
a
staff
recommendation
that
work
with
them
to
ensure
that
is
a
good
development
and
the
same
issues
came
on
traffic,
water
density,
walkability,
destroying
neighborhood
orders
came
up,
you
know,
and
you
know,
when
I
look
at
this
particular
project
and
wit
of
report.
H
H
One
and
I
worked
with
the
community
and
we
made
it
compatible
with
neighborhood
76
single-family
dwellings
went
in
because
it's
an
insight
in
fill
development,
not
on
the
majority,
were
Road
and
the
people
was
very
upset
at
me
for
supporting
it.
This
case
is
couldn't
destroy
my
neighborhood
he's
gonna,
bring
values
down
and
when
developers
saw
those
homes
he's
told
him
$550,000
we
did
before
he
was
finished.
H
F
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker
I
want
to
thank
the
the
residents
were
coming
in
today.
A
number
of
them
I,
I,
understand,
sign
the
petition
that
were
given
accounts
for
Crawford
and
I
appreciate
that
I
always
appreciate
having
the
feedback
from
my
residents
and
I.
Look
at
this
and
I'm
gonna
be
supporting
the
staff
recommendations
in
the
report
and
I
mean
gonna,
be
doing
that
based
on
I.
Look
at
a
development
such
as
this
through
kind
of
two
different
perspectives.
F
There's
I've
seen
estimates
where
you
know
the
population,
the
City
of
Toronto
is
going
to
increase
by
a
third
and
we
have
to
find
suitable
places
for
all
of
those
people
coming
to
this
city
to
live
and
the
other
lens
that
I
look
at
an
application
such
as
this
is
we're
trying
to
make
strong,
vibrant
communities,
and
you
know
one
of
the
discussions.
I
know
that
we've
had
and
I
think
we're
gonna
be
having.
F
It
again
is
about
rooming
houses
and
and
multi-unit
homes
where
students
are
in
or
people
are,
living
people
are
looking
at
the
zoning
bylaws
and
the
official
plans
they
want
the
characters
of
their
neighborhoods
maintained
and
I
agree
with
that,
and
if
we're
gonna
maintain
the
characters
of
our
sings
character
of
our
single-family
residential
neighborhoods.
One
of
the
key
places
that
we
have
to
put
people
is
on
our
avenues,
and
this
is
one
of
those
examples.
F
Iii
know
that
when
this
application
first
came
up
something
at
the
corner
of
Markham
and
Eglinton
being
four
stories
to
me,
four
stories
was
too
small,
too
short
to
not
tall
enough
I.
Think
eight
stories
at
this
location
is
very
suitable
and
it's
a
key
component
in
making
a
strong
neighborhood.
You
know
we
look
at
all
the
different
variables
in
that
neighborhood
about
you
know:
suitability
for
walking,
access
to
services,
and
you
know
one
of
the
concerns
and/or.
F
The
goals
were
trying
to
achieve
comes
with
public
transit
and
I've,
had
a
discussion
where
the
former
councillor
Moser
and
work
44
I've
talked
with
councilor
Crawford.
How
about
a
continuous
bus
route
along
Kingston
Road
and
one
of
the
things
that
the
TTC
always
comes
back
about?
Is
you
need
to
have
the
volume
of
usage,
and
it's
the
same
with
looking
at
the
LRT
that
we
want
to
extend
from
Kennedy
subway
station
along
Eglinton
right
at
the
front
door
of
this
building?
F
Add
to
the
University
of
Toronto,
Scarborough
and
I
know
the
planners
all
consider
four
storeys
in
this
area,
too.
Small
I
think
the
application
that's
before
us
meets
all
of
the
parameters
that
we
want
to
look
at
when
it
comes
to
a
strong,
neighborhood
planning
and
transportation
and
and
the
strong
neighborhood
that
we're
all
looking
at
and
for
that
reason,
I'll
be
supporting
this
application.
Thank
you.
D
J
D
So
counselor
makers
movie
staff
recommendations,
which
is
to
approve
the
staff
recommendation
to
approve
the
report.
Okay
recorded
vote,
so
all
of
those
in
favor
and
in
favor
is
counselor
Thomson,
counselor,
Kelly,
counselor,
Hart,
counselor,
Shannon,
counselor
care,
Janice
cancer,
Lee
counselor,
Holland,
counselor,
Ainsley
and
counselor
to
burn
maker
and
those
opposed
our
accounts
are
Crawford
and
so
that
passes
and
so
that
passes
and
thanks
to
everybody
for
coming
out
today
and
I'm
sure
that
councillor
Crawford
will
be
working
very
closely
with
the
developer
and
with
the
community,
as
this
continues
to
move
forward.
D
So
we're
just
we
have
two
more
councillor
thompson
held
one
item
and
we
also
have
one
more
on
the
agenda,
which
does
have
deputations,
which
is
SC,
24
13
application
to
remove
a
private
tree.
You
know.
So
what
we'll
do
is,
if
I,
if
everybody
could
leave
the
chamber
that
who
are
leaving
just
so
that
it's
quite
loud
in
the
chamber.
D
L
L
L
L
L
Our
radar
was
I
was
away
this
past
winter
and
my
wife
was
home
and
we
had
a
small
ice
storm,
not
quite
as
bad
as
the
one
before,
but
when
we
had
the
ice
storm,
the
my
wife
was
afraid
she
slept
in
the
basement
because
our
bedroom
is
that
back
corner
window
there
and
the
tree
was
laying
over
and
actually
touching
the
ground.
So
her
and
the
dog
slept
in
the
basement,
which
is
what
brought
it
to
my
attention.
L
So,
when
I
got
home,
my
the
tree,
the
ice
had
broken
off
and
the
tree
had
gone
back,
but
there
was
still
some
branches
rubbing,
the
siding
of
our
house
and
on
the
roof
and
in
in
the
two
years
we
have
lived
there.
There
are
three
different
occasions:
I
have
climbed
the
tree
to
cut
the
tree,
and
my
wife
isn't
too
fond
of
me:
keep
climbing
the
tree
to
have
a
cut.
L
So
that's
why
I
called
Gavin
who
unfortunately
had
to
leave,
who
could
tell
you
more
technical
aspects
of
the
trees
past
some
on
to
me
and
his
suggestion
was
to
have
an
application
to
remove
the
tree
cuz.
He
felt
it
wasn't
healthy
and
our
neighbors
as
well
would
like
it
removed.
You
can't
really
see
it's
not
the
best
picture.
Unfortunately,
it
couldn't
print
color
behind
it
is
a
back
garden
shed
and
the
tree
is
growing
right.
L
L
So
our
concern
is
for
the
foundation
of
our
house
that
the
roots
we
want
to
be
proactive
before
it
starts
doing
damage
to
our
house
and
the
roof
and
I've
been
trying
to
maintain
like
I,
said
trimming
it
back.
I've
been
standing
on
the
roof
with
a
pole,
saw
cutting
some
branches
back
and
I've
actually
climbed
the
tree
myself
and
then
with
a
chainsaw
and
a
rope
and
pulled
up
the
chainsaw,
but
it
just
keeps
growing
back
small
branches
and
sorry,
sir,
could
you
flip
the
picture?
L
L
Sorry,
sir.
Could
you
flip
one
more
picture,
so
you
can
see
how
low
the
branches
are
actually
growing
as
well
that
they're
less
than
6
feet
from
the
ground
and
they
come
from
quite
high,
so
in
order
to
actually
prune
it
after
climb
quite
high
to
trim
them
back,
which
I've
done
but
to
keep
coming
back
down.
L
Sorry,
yeah
and
there's
another
picture
you
can
see
you
can't
even
you
can
barely
see
their
back
shed
because
of
the
the
tree
is
over
it
and
yes,
so
we're
just
in
disagreement
with
the
city
city's
arborist.
That
came
and
said
that
it
was
a
healthy
maintainable
tree.
So
that's
why
I'm
here
today
is
to
hopefully
have
that
overturned
and
I
just
wanted
to
also
say
that
in
the
back
of
our
house
we
have
seven
other
trees.
We
have
five
pine
trees,
I
think
they
are
I'm,
not
sure.
L
J
B
I
J
C
L
Yes,
I'm,
sorry
to
that
point,
I
also
mentioned
it's
very
hard
to
see,
but
it's
in
almost
like
a
planter.
A
large
planter
box
that's
raised
so
he
says
it
doesn't
have
the
best
root
system,
cuz,
not
actually
level
with
our
ground.
It
was
almost
like.
They
had
a
planter
box
there
and
he
feels
like
it
was
a
seedling
that
no
one
cared
for
and
that's
why
it
didn't
grow.
A
nice
trunk
that
was
his
explanation
to
me
is
what
he
assumes.
Obviously
we
don't
know.
L
C
Yet
another
question
in
terms
of
pruning
counselor
to
bear
maker
asked
if
you've
had
it
pruned
by
a
professional
and
you
haven't
the
city
staff
report
talks
about
pruning
as
being
the
solution,
perhaps
to
your
problem
that
it
is
a
healthy
tree
but
could
use
some
pruning
yeah.
What
did
your
arborist
say
in
that
regard?
He.
L
Said
that
it
would
have
to
be
pruned
continuously
that,
and
so
he
said
that
it
wasn't
healthy
because
of
the
situation
of
the
crotch,
but
also
yes,
he
could
prune
it,
but
that
those
little
branches
that
are
growing
and
then
falling
back
down,
they're
gonna
keep
coming
back
continuously
and
that's
what
my
point
wants,
that
we've
lived
there
just
over
two
years
and
now
I've
done
it
on
three
different
occasions
where
branches
have
been
touching,
our
house
and
I've
been
trimming
them
back
and
continuously
doing
this.
Thank
you.
L
J
M
Cannot
damage
funder,
madam
chair
roots,
cannot
damage
foundations
that
are
in
good
shape.
Obviously,
if
the
foundation
is
in
disrepair,
then
then
many
things
will
be
getting
into
the
foundation.
It
won't
just
be
tree
roots,
but
certainly
typically,
when
you
find
tree
roots
inside
of
houses
or
in
foundations
that
the
foundation
was
already
in
poor
repair
to
start
with
and.
J
M
The
true
pruned
properly,
you
would
certainly
get
a
longer
time
period
before
you
get
issues
with
the
rubbing
on
the
roof,
and
that
sort
of
thing
so
I
mean
I.
Think
you
should
usually
we
usually
recommend
pruning
between
five
and
ten
years.
You
should
be
able
to
hit
that
time
frame
if
you
have
a
professional
pruned.
Okay,.
J
C
Want
to
ask
the
same
questions
this
counselor
to
bear
maker
hey.
He
asked
the
ones
I
was
interested
in,
but
just
a
very
quick
one
in
terms
of
the
actual
pruning
of
the
tree
and
hasn't
been
pruned
by
professional.
Recently,
your
report
to
me
says
very
specifically
if
the
tree
is
pruned
on
a
continuous
basis
and
one
good
pruning
now
that
it
will
be
healthy.
Did
you
notice
any
safety
issues
with
respect
to
the
tree
at
all?
No.
M
The
only
safety
issues
are
brought
up
by
the
arborist
and
by
the
property
owner
was
the
tight
structure
of
the
tree,
and
that's
that's
part
of
this
tree.
The
other
thing
being
the
main
split
and
the
main
splits
gonna
collect
water,
because
that's
where
the
water
gets
diverted
as
it
comes
down
the
tree
and
that's
a
sort
of
leaks
out
at
the
bottom
there
it's
I,
don't
we
saw
of
any
bacterial
issues
or
any
slime
flux,
which
was
which
was
noted
in
the
arborist
report.
M
M
I
believe
that's
the
best
picture
counselor,
madam
chair.
It's
about
that
about
20
feet
from
the
house.
It
would
appear.
I,
usually
don't
get
overly
worried
about
rude
issues
with
that
sort
of
distance.
If
I'm
the
issue
where
you
would
have
any
interference
between
the
foundation
and
the
tree
would
be
right
at
the
shoulder
of
the
trunk
of
the
trippity
going
into
the
roots.
So
if
your
trees
physically
against
the
structure,
that's
when
you
do
have
some
challenges
once
you're
more
than
a
couple
metres
away,
there's
no
shoes
I've.
K
C
Trees,
in
particular,
trees
on
property
lines
are
always
challenging
and
certain
trees,
like
the
one
that
you
have,
requires
a
fair
amount
of
work
and
pruning
and
maintenance.
But
you
know
the
City
of
Toronto
has
a
very
strong
position
with
regard
to
the
tree.
Canopy
and
I
will
be
supporting
the
staff
recommendations.
Okay,.
J
You,
madam
chair
I,
you
know
I
want
to
thank
the
owner
for
coming
in
and
I
think
taking
a
very
considerate
approach
to
trying
to
maintain
his
property
and
do
some
very
good
things
again,
as
I
said
before,
I
would
certainly
follow
the
advice
of
his
wife
and
advised
him
not
to
do
it.
I've
got
some
magnificent
trees
in
my
backyard
and
I
wouldn't
climb
up
even
even
the
height
of
a
ladder,
so
it
is
best
to
leave
these
things
to
a
professional,
especially
when
a
chainsaw
is
involved,
but
this
tree
has
been
there.
J
I
think
the
owner
said.
Maybe
two
or
three
years
he's
purchased
the
house
and
said
it's
a
beautiful
part
of
the
city.
It's
beautiful
part
of
Scarborough.
We
taken
care
of
properly.
This
tree
will
probably
be
here
when
he
reached
retirement
age
and
maybe,
when
he's
in
his
80s
and
decides
to
move
out
of
a
house,
maybe
because
it's
too
much
maintenance,
so
I
actually
think
this.
This
tree
and
trees
in
general
add
value
to
the
property.
J
Most
people
pay
more
money
for
a
nice
tree
like
this
in
the
backyard,
so
I'll
support
the
staff
recommendation
to
keep
it
up
the
way
it
is
and
encourage
the
owner
to
have
that
live
tree
care
company.
Give
it
a
good
haircut,
not
destroy
it,
but
a
really
nice
trim
back
and
enjoy
it
for
the
next
10
years.
Thank
you.
D
N
Thank
you
very
much,
I'm
not
going
to
be
long.
I
just
had
a
few
questions
for
staff
on
this
particular
item,
which
is
20,
SC
20
point
one:
five
through
you
to
staff
the
can
you
help
me
to
understand
the
process
that
you
put
in
place
in
order
to
review
the
implementation
of
traffic
signals
at
this
location.
G
Yes,
as
a
result
of
a
request
through
the
counselor's
office,
we
contacted
our
standard
pedestrian
crossing
protection
study
at
this
location,
where
we
looked
at
whether
full
traffic
control
signals
were
justified
technically
and
whether
a
pedestrian
crossover
I
known
as
a
pxo,
if
that
were
justified
or
warranted
at
this
location.
So
we
conducted
our
studies
and
we
determined
that
neither
form
of
crossing
protection
is
warranted
at
this
time.
The
studies
were
done
in
2015
and
those
numbers
are
considered
valid
for
three
years,
and
so
they
will
still
apply
today.
N
G
N
N
N
G
G
N
N
G
Certainly,
the
first
criteria,
minimum
vehicle
volume-
that
is
the
amount
of
traffic
along
Richmond
Road-
did
and
does
not
justify
crossing
protection,
but
the
second
one,
the
later
cross
traffic
doesn't
include
pedestrians
as
part
of
that
calculation.
So
it
means
that
the
road
users
are
not
delayed
enough
to
make
accept
possible
that
they
might
want
to
actually
the
right-of-way
inappropriately
at
this
uncontrolled
location.
So
it
suggests
that
this
location
is
still
not
really
warranted
for
any
kind
of
control.
Positive
control,
okay,.
N
Just
briefly,
madam
Speaker,
madam
Speaker,
it's
certainly
important
for
us,
as
councillors
body
in
those
citizens
in
the
city,
that
we
take
safety
as
a
priority
consideration
at
all
times
and
so
on
and
my
office.
My
office
was
asked
to
take
a
look
at
this
and
we've
directed
that
to
staff
and
all
this
is
it's
not
the
first
time
we've
continued
to
review
it.
N
I'm
happy
that
staff
are
going
to
look
further
in
terms
of
what
additional
measures
and
perhaps
suggestions
that
could
be
brought
forward
to
hopefully
minimize
any
potential
element
where
someone
would
be
seriously
injured
and
so
on.
And
so
reluctantly
I
accept
and
moved
the
recommendations
that
are
here
that
it's
not
warranted
at
this
particular
time,
and
we
will
hopefully
continue
to
work
with
the
businesses
in
the
area
to
help
them
to
help
their
workers
and
so
on,
because
it's
primarily
a
lot.
N
There
are
some
residents
to
do
cross,
not
a
lot,
unfortunately,
but
to
hopefully
work
with
the
businesses
and
perhaps
maybe
that's
something
I'll
work
with
staff
staff
on
offline,
in
terms
of
maybe
going
in
and
having
some
conversations
with
the
people
that
are
crossing
this.
Clearly,
we
don't
want
anyone
to
be
injured,
killed
or
otherwise.
N
Quite
frankly,
it
is
a
huge
issue
because
people
are
going
to
work
and
there
many
are
running
to
catch
a
bus
because
they
think
this
is
the
last
bus
and
what
happened,
although
it
isn't
usually,
but
they
want
to
get
home
on
time
and
so
they've
got
time
deadlines,
so
I
I
accept
the
staff
recommendation,
so
I
will
simply
just
move
that
and
thank
the
staff
for
the
report.
Okay,.