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Toronto and East York Community Council, meeting 8, September 16, 2019 - Part 2 of 2
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A
A
A
A
A
A
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
of
staff,
so
first
I'm,
looking
at
the
recommendation
in
front
of
us,
the
City
Council
authorizing
direct
city
clerk
to
conduct
a
permit
parking
poll
of
the
residents
on
the
street
listed
in
attachment
1
in
accordance
with
the
City
of
Toronto,
Municipal,
Code,
Chapter,
190,
polling
and
notification
in
relation
to
maintaining
or
removing
permit
parking
on
their
street.
What
I'm
curious
about
and
I
don't
know
who
wants
to
answer
this?
Is
there
a
provision
in
Chapter
190
to
pull
for
maintaining
or
removing
permit
parking?
Does
such
a.
B
A
B
A
B
A
Concern
would
be
that
if
council
acts
on
this,
where
there
is
no
provision,
nothing
would
prevent
a
member
of
council
from
pulling
on
whether
or
not
we
wanted
to
put
in
a
traffic
light
or
to
put
in
new
new
parking
dimensions
on
a
street
or
any
of
the
various
things
that
we
bring
from
this
Community
Council.
Well,.
B
A
B
You
know
there
are
other,
maybe
there
are
other
examples.
You
know
where
council
asked
for
a
notice
area
to
be
widened
and
so
forth.
We
follow
counsels,
instructions
and
counsel
ends
up
footing
the
bill
for
those
things.
So
it's
it's
not
it's
not
like
something
where
we,
you
know
have
a
budget.
Once
we
run
out,
we
stop
issuing
notices
or
we
stick
stopped
issuing
poles.
We,
we
follow,
counsels,
wishes
and
deal
with
it
through
the
budget
variance
process.
If
we
have
to
right.
A
But
the
the
practice
has
been
to
develop
the
estimate
based
on
the
existing
opportunities
for
polling.
You
don't
just
say:
well,
maybe
councils
going
to
start
pulling
on
things
that
aren't
in
the
code
you,
your
practice
has
been
to
develop
an
estimate
based
on
polling
within
the
code
provisions
and
prior
history.
Well,.
B
C
B
Well,
mr.
chair,
the
way,
the
way
by
the
council
adopts
a
bylaws,
but
council
is
free
also
by
resolution
to
adopt
things
which
are
at
odds
with
bylaws.
So
we
have
many
many
things
even
on
your
agenda
today,
I
presume
there
may
be
some
things
there,
where
you're
making
exemptions
to
certain
provisions.
So
unless
there's
some
provision
in
a
by
law
that
says,
council
may
not
vary
from
the
bylaw
without
a
supermajority
or
some
other
extraordinary
procedural
roadblock
council
is
free
to
to
do
things
at
odds
with
its
own
bylaws.
Is
that
the
case
here.
C
C
B
C
D
So
the
current
process,
under
the
city's
parking
bylaw
chapter
nine
to
five
of
the
Municipal
Code,
is
where
permit
parking
is
currently
not
available.
A
petition
is
to
be
received
signed
by
a
minimum
of
twenty
five
percent
of
the
households
on
the
street.
Once
that's
obtained,
then
an
official
City
poll
was
conducted
in
accordance
with
chapter
190,
the
Harmonized
polling,
bylaw.
C
C
C
C
D
F
D
In
order
to
have
put
the
power
parking
and
to
begin
with,
an
exemption
from
the
viola
was
required
and
obtained
through
Community
Council
and
City
Council.
So
if
para
park
needs
to
be
removed,
there
is
a
provision
in
the
para
parking
bylaw
chapter,
nine
to
five
that
that
speaks
to
removing
permit
parking
and
for
that
to
occur.
We
need
to
provide
notice
through
the
public
notice
process
and
that
usually
occurs
through
direction
from
the
area
councilor.
D
F
In
terms
of
the
way
that
was
done,
would
that
I
I
don't
think
councillor
perks
had
asked
you
I
think
two
clerks
about
just
kind
of
the
precedent
of
now
we're
polling
on
all
the
decisions
that
were
made
previously?
Is
this
a
cleaner
way
to
do
that
to
simply
go
back,
remove
that
and
give
people
notice.
B
Well,
mister
chair.
That's
a
hard
question
to
answer:
I
really,
I!
Don't
know
what
County
Council's
mind
is
on
it.
So
if
the
intention
is
to
is
to
undo
what
was
done,
that
seems
to
me
to
be
a
simple
way
to
do
that,
but
you
know
I'm
not
entirely
clear
what
what
the
mind
of
council
is
with
respect
to
it.
B
A
C
Okay,
well
very
quickly,
don't
want
to
believe
her
this
any
more,
but
we
had
a
community
community
meeting
on
this
a
few
months
ago
with
staff
from
permit
parking
and
attendance
and
based
on
the
feedback
from
that
meeting,
as
well
as
numerous
emails
and
phone
calls.
It's
clear
that
the
residents
on
the
streets
included
in
attachment
one
would
like
a
chance
to
weigh
on
the
weigh
in
on
the
inclusion
of
their
streets
in
the
permit
parking
program.
C
As
you
know,
I
think
all
of
you
were
here
in
2017
my
predecessor
moved
a
motion
to
exempt
the
implementation
of
permit
parking
on
these
streets
from
the
requirement
of
the
bylaw
and
installed
permit
parking.
So
without
the
requirement
for
a
poll
indicating
community
support,
you
know,
I
do
understand
and
broadly
support
the
intention
of
the
motion
and
the
permit
parking
program,
but
I
do
think
that
residents
have
the
right
to
be
consulted.
People
may
not
like
the
process.
People
might
find
fault
with
polling,
but
the
process
is
the
process
and
I.
C
Don't
think
that
Community
Council
should
just
be
throwing
up
the
process
when
it's
convenient
for
them.
I
think
we
need
to
follow
the
process
and
wait
we
ought
to
for
our
residents,
and
you
know
that's
that's
really.
The
intent
of
this
motion.
Some
streets
will
choose
to
keep
permit
parking.
Some
streets
will
choose
to
remove
it.
There
could
be
an
option
to
rip
it
all
out
in
its
entirety
across
these
streets
and
then
proceed
with
the
polling
process
again.
C
But
what
we're
doing
is
we're
streamlining
that
we're
going
to
give
them
the
polling
process
that
they
they
were
denied,
which
is
the
standard
process
in
the
City
of
Toronto
and
prior
to
this,
this
unprecedented
motion
to
introduce
it
across
32
streets,
I've
been
listening
to
the
residents.
I've
worked
with
staff.
I've
worked
with
city
legal
I've
worked
with
parking.
They've
worked
with
clerk's
to
arrive
at
a
solution
that
addresses
that
issue
where
permit
parking
was
introduced
without
the
democratic
process
of
the
polling.
C
F
C
A
Okay,
so
so
I'll
speak
I'm
going
to
be
opposing
councilor
Bradford's
motion
and
I
understand
these
kinds
of
issues
and
in
wards
you
know
there
are
differing
opinions.
Opinions
change
it's
it's
always
hard,
but
I
think
it's
kind
of
incumbent
on
members
of
council
working
in
their
wards
to
hear
the
community
and
come
to
a
decision.
I
have
never
been
a
fan
of
the
use
of
polling
to
try
to
settle
contentious
issues
in
the
community.
I
can
remember
in
my
very
first
term
of
office,
trying
to
eliminate
the
polling
requirements
for
front
yard
parking
permits.
A
We
were
having
a
problem
actually
in
the
same
area
that
councillor
Bradford
represents.
We
were
getting
people
coming
and
making
deputations
saying:
I
didn't
get
my
little
polling
card
or
the
polling
card
that
was
delivered
to
my
address.
Had
someone
else's
name
on
it.
We
all
know
every
one
of
us
knows
because
the
City
of
Toronto
doesn't
maintain
a
permanent
residence
or
voters
list
that
the
lists
that
we
work
off
for
pullings
are
awfully
very
problematic.
We
frequently
have
had
to
turn
things
down
because
the
number
of
cards
weren't.
A
You
know
the
number
of
returned
weren't
high
enough,
even
though
there
was
a
majority
among
the
ones
that
were
returned.
It's
a
sloppy
system
and
its
a
system.
Frankly,
in
my
view,
which
some
members
of
council,
not
anyone
here,
but
some
members
of
council
in
the
past
have
used
to
get
around
taking
the
hard
decisions
in
the
community.
A
Frankly,
if
we
now
do
something
which
the
bylaw
doesn't
permit,
which
is
to
allow
for
polling
to
remove
permit
parking,
we
could
find
ourselves
in
the
situation.
Much
like
the
Parliament
in
the
United
Kingdom
right
now
is
facing.
Where
you
have
your
poll
two
years
pass
opinion
changes,
you
have
another
poll,
take
it
out
and
then
two
more
years
pass
and
you're
pulled
to
put
it
back
in
it's
a
debt.
A
Frankly,
it's
a
dereliction
of
the
duty
that
we
have
as
councillors
to
listen
to
public
opinion,
to
think
of
the
larger
citywide
implications,
of
what
we're
doing
and
to
make
decisions.
I,
just
I
I
shudder
at
the
possibilities.
If
we
start
to
pull
on
things
that
aren't
laid
out
in
the
bylaw,
are
we
gonna
start
pulling
four
stop
signs
to
go
in
and
then
as
soon
as
there's
a
complaint
pole
for
them
to
come
back
out
parking
areas
around
around
schools?
A
Are
we
gonna
be
pulling
on
traffic
lights,
so
we're
going
to
be
pulling
or
when
you
start
pulling
on
development
applications?
For
goodness
sake
it
just.
It
opens
up
a
can
of
worms
that,
frankly,
will
make
our
ability
to
run
the
business
of
this
community
council
smoothly
and
predictably
and
with
councillors
taking
responsibility
for
the
positions
they
have.
A
F
I,
having
heard
about
the
remove
option,
my
preference
just
taking
into
account
councilor,
would
like
councillor
perks
is
advising
me.
We
may
end
up
with
these
mazels,
where
people
want
to
pull
for
something
that
we've
done
would
prefer
to
cleanly
remove
those
32
streets
because
they
were
done
rather
quickly
and
then
allow
for
that
process
to
install
or
however
we'd
like
to
do
that.
Then
we
don't
have
the
issue
of
we're
polling
to
undo
a
bylaw.
We
are
simply
removing
them
back
to
their
original
condition.
F
I
just
think
no,
it's
cleaner,
it's
more
respectful
of
the
process
and
any
of
the
dangers
that
may
come
up
in
in
the
future
and
I
think
this
is
a
nitty-gritty
one.
Personally,
I
just
prefer
to
put
it
off
and
come
up
with
some
kind
of
consensus
in
October,
but
if
we
have
to
vote
on
it,
I'd
like
to
remove
them
the
32
streets,
we
all
heard
people
say
no
one
even
told
me
this
was
going
to
happen
and
I
think
the
test
of
fairness
was
not
met.
F
C
F
Don't
think
it
counts
heard
that
it's
so
much
that
it's
kind
of
the
mic
did
you
know
I.
Wasn't
there
it's
not
in
my
word,
but
the
implications
of
polling
to
remove
compared
to
let's
remove
it,
based
on
how
it
was
implemented.
I
think
it's
different,
because
it's
been
up
to
community
council
to
say
without
going
through
all
of
the
effort
of
polling
and
giving
people.
It
just
seems
like
a
lot.
It's
a
lot
of
polling
a
lot
of
time,
a
lot
of
staff
time.
This
other
simply
would
be
remove
it
and
there.
F
A
Just
have
a
question
so
councillor
Fletcher,
if
I
understand
correctly
from
the
answers
mr.
Lefroy
I
gave
effectively
what
you
would
be.
Your
motion
would
do
or
what
your
intention
would
be
is
that
a
notice
would
be
sent
out
to
members
of
the
community
and
that
we
would
have
a
future
statutory
meeting
to
hear
the
item
that
that's
the
removal
process.
That's.
F
F
C
F
Since
you're,
addressing
that
to
me,
I
will
tell
you
that,
having
heard
the
advice
from
staff
and
their
suggestion
that
that
might
be
an
option,
I
have
to
look
at
what
I
think
will
be
kind
of
the
cleanest
auction
overall,
and
if
you
want
to
defer
this
one
round
and
work
on
it,
nope
I'm
happy
to
do
that
too,
because
I
find
we
can
usually
get
to
a
good
place.
But
this
the
remove
the
precedent
is
of
concern.
This
means
we're
going
back
to
the
normal
common
or
garden
way
of
doing
things.
E
C
A
A
Maybe,
while
we're
here
do
we
have
counselor
Matt
Lowe's
motion
to
introduce
okay?
So
there
are
two
items
where
I
need
that
I
need
a
motion
to
introduce
T
eight
point:
eight,
seven
and
eight
point:
eight
eight
I
have
a
motion
producing
counselor
Matt
low.
All
those
in
favor
opposed
carried
okay
and
we'll
come
to
these
up.
When
we've
finished
the
item
we're
currently
on.
F
A
A
A
F
A
You'd
like
to
like
to
withdraw
that
motion.
Okay
permission,
withdraw
all
those
in
favor
opposed,
that's
carries
so
the
only
piece
we
have
in
front
of
us-
and
we
noticed
it's
appreciated-
is
the
recommendation
in
councillor
Bradford's
letter,
all
those
in
favor
all
those
opposed
councillor.
Bylaw
did
you
vote.
A
A
G
One
is
that,
if
you're
driving
inner-city,
whether
it
be
a
concrete
truck
or
anywhere
else
in
any
type
of
vehicle,
when
people
are
walking
in
front
of
you
or
alongside
you
on
the
street,
they
are
not
just
obstructions
or
obstacles
for
you
to
get
to
where
you're
trying
to
get
to.
They
are
most
importantly,
people
who
are
loved
by
other
people.
These
are
people's
moms
and
sisters
and
brothers
and
children
and
family
members,
and
if
anything
ever
happened
to
them,
somebody
like
Evangeline's
family
are
gonna,
miss
them
terribly
and
I,
just
wonder
as
drivers.
G
If
we
would
change
our
behavior.
If
we
saw
that
individual
like
somebody
who
we
loved
and
who
was
a
member
of
our
family,
we've
had
this
conversation
over
and
over
and
over
again,
and
it
just
it
when
you
go
to
a
vigil
and
you
meet
the
sister
of
somebody
who
has
just
killed
so
horrific
aliy
and
I'm
gonna
spare
you
the
details
there.
There
are
no
words,
there
are
no
words,
except
that
we
have
to
do
better
as
a
city
to
make
improvements.
You're
gonna
see
a
number
of
recommendations
in
this
letter.
G
All
at
the
same
time,
in
one
place
and
I
also
would
add
that
we
need
to
do
more
with
our
vision,
zero
initiative,
both
on
the
enforcement
side,
because
there's
a
dearth
of
police
enforcement
within
our
police
divisions
and
then
on
the
investment
side
of
actually
moving
forward
with
redesign
reconfiguration
of
our
roads
to
make
them
safer,
and
we
I
think
there
is
more.
We
can
do
and
have
to
do,
based
on
the
principles
of
initiatives
around
the
world
that
we
we
just
need
to
catch
up
to
I
wanted
to
add.
G
Along
with
these
initiatives,
this
happened
in
councillor,
Robinson
ward,
at
the
corner
of
University
near
John,
Fisher
and
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
councillor
Robinson
has
been
incredibly
responsive
to
her
community.
Incredibly,
caring
has
done
a
lot
of
work
on
this
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
for
the
record,
because,
while
we're
gonna
do
what
we
can
do
here
at
Toronto,
East
York
supporting
the
work
of
North,
York
I.
G
Think
it's
really
important
to
recognize
the
local
councillor
in
her
community,
who
have
just
been
through
a
tragedy
and
be
there
as
a
team
there
in
Midtown.
But
all
of
us,
together
as
a
council,
to
support
each
other
in
our
communities
when
we
go
through
something
like
this
and
may
we
never
have
to
go
through
this
again
and
may
we
do
the
work
that
needs
to
be
done
to
avoid
this
from
ever
occurring
again.
Thank
you.
G
When
I
was
me
to
see
this
candidly,
but
but
as
I
move
forward,
when
I
was
made
aware
that
something
might
be
coming
at
North
York
Community
Council
from
councillor
Cole,
it
seemed
appropriate
that
both
community
councils
would
be
working
together
in
concert
where
we
go
into
Council
to
perhaps
bring
them
together.
So.
E
A
E
That
I
do
that
the
Toronto,
East
Shore
community
council
passing
declare
as
bylaw
bills
12:30
to
twelve
forty
six,
twelve
forty
eight
to
twelve
point
nine,
twelve.
Fifty
four
to
twelve
fifty
eight
and
twelve
sixty
two
1269
prepared
for
the
September
16
2019
meeting
eight
of
the
community
council.
All.