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From YouTube: Feb. 15, 2022 Planning Commission Work Session – Upper Magnolia East Presentation and Other Cases.
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Feb. 15, 2022 Planning Commission Work Session – Upper Magnolia East Presentation and Other Cases
Note: This is the second half of the work session that began after the Planning Commission’s break at 3 p.m. This includes the presentation on Upper Magnolia East along with other zoning cases.
A
B
Mr
chair
members
of
commission,
mr
gillies
andy
conlon
here
on
behalf
of
the
eda
jumping
in
the
middle
of
this
case,
to
assist
in
some
of
the
drafting
of
the
proffers.
Certainly
we
did
have
to
clarify
a
number
of
points.
We've
taken
a
lot
of
information
that
you
provided,
obviously
we're
trying
to
make
the
profits
enforceable
and
quantitatively
compliant
with
what
the
county
attorney
would
take
a
look
at,
but
we
also
have
the
political
side,
as
we've
talked
about
having
given
some
assurances,
otherwise
to
make
it
crystal
clear,
maybe
in
layman's
language.
B
So
that's
some
of
the
things
we're
going
to
go
back
and
and
tweak
these
proffers
a
little
bit
to
make
sure
that's
able
to
do
that.
We're
also
trying
to
create
what
I
would
consider
the
the
parameters
in
which
the
users
are
allowed
to
operate.
We've
raised
a
good
point
about
the
construction,
we're
going
to
go
back
there
and
try
to
differentiate
some
of
those
components
that
we've
that
you've
raised
as
well.
So
we
understand
the
conversation,
I
think
we're
real
close
in
trying
to
put
together
some
of
the
responses.
B
We
want
to
be
able
to
talk
about
those
but,
for
example,
the
buffers
and
the
landscaping
within
them
trying
to
come
up
with
the
parameters
and
the
design
standards
for
those
buffers
and
what
those
will
be
and
and
supplementing
those.
I
identified
that
before
the
hearing
after
we
submitted
the
profits
before
the
hearing
today
about
some
of
the
landscaping,
a
b
and
c
that
we
often
do
as
opposed
to
what
we
have
there.
B
So
we
went
through
a
lot
of
changes
and
now
I
think
we're
really
massaging
some
of
these
to
make
these
a
little
bit
more
effective.
As
to
what
you
pointed
out,
we've
been
here
listening
taking
notes
and
we're
prepared
to
do
that
when
we
we
get
back
we'll
get
back
to
you
on
those
so
happy
to
answer
any
questions
at
this
time.
D
B
Plan
itself
would
I
don't
believe,
that's
what
the
code
requires.
Specifically
that's
where
we
took
some
of
the
language
with
respect
to
that.
We've
talked
to
the
staff
about
what
that
would
require,
but
I'd
have
to
talk
to
my
client
about
that.
That's
pretty
unusual.
The
whole
idea
of
being,
I
guess,
for
a
public
hearing
from
a
standpoint
of
a
master
design
plan.
Is
that
what
you're
asking
at
this
point
or
suggesting
that
maybe
is
a
possibility.
B
Yeah
I'd
have
to
go
back
and
check
the
ultimately.
You
know
when
any
user
comes
for
us
to
put
together
a
master
design
plan
that
would
be
before
any
certificate
of
occupancy.
The
question
would
be
which
I'd
have
to
dive
into
is.
Could
we
have
just
one
versus
having
to
come
back
forward
for
every
site
plan,
which
is
not
what
we'd
want
to
do,
but
put
together
a
master
design
plan
overall?
Typically,
that's
done
administratively,
but
again,
I'd
have
to
come
back
and
talk
to
my
client
about
that.
E
D
D
F
You
know
I
I
just
want
to
just
make
sure
citizens
and
staff
and
everybody
kind
of
seeing
my
perspective
about
it.
I
think
this
is
a
great
case.
I
think
that
some
of
the
debate
that
we're
having
is
going
to
create
better
better
conditions
for
the
case
right,
and
so
this
is
just
a
dialogue
that
we're
having
during
the
work
session,
and
I
think
that
staff
has
done
an
amazing
job
putting
this
together.
You
know
you
guys
are
working
with
every
department.
I
think
you
guys
are
doing
the
right
thing.
F
You
know,
so
I
don't
want
to
seem
like
or
have
the
appearance
that
me
personally,
that
I'm
badgering
anybody
or
doing
anything
like
that.
I
think
that
you
guys
are
doing
a
phenomenal
job
and
let's
just
continue
to
work
forward
on
this
case
and
the
conditions,
and
let's
make
it
the
best
case
that
it
can
be
so
we
can
definitely
benefit
the
county
and
grow
the
county
where
it
needs
to
be
grown,
have
jobs
and
other
opportunities
here
for
people.
G
So
we're
actually
we're
actually
going
to
do
the
same
thing
we
just
did
for
upper
magnolia
west
we're
going
to
have
to
go
through
starting
with
transportation,
followed
by
utilities,
environmental
engineering
and
then
I'll
I'll
finish
up
on
the
planning
portion.
We're
just
gonna
do
a
review
of
the
proffers
and
the
conceptual
plan
we
have
for
upper
magnolia,
east
and
and
we'll
wrap
up
after
that.
So
I
guess
I'd
invite
brendapps
up
to
the
podium.
E
And
why
brent
coming
up?
I
would
just
make
the
comment
that
we
have
the
four
o'clock
site
plan
review
session,
but
it's
a
very
short
site
plan
review.
So
we'll
have
time
between
you
know,
4
15-ish,
to
5
to
to
finish
up,
and
the
other
items
on
the
work
program
are
not
necessary
for
this.
So
this
this
has
our
highest
priority
to
get
through
all
the
upper
magnolia
green
stuff
tonight
today,
if
at
all
possible.
H
H
Seven
on
your
map,
improvements
to
otterdale
road
and
westerly
parkway
intersection
that
is
intersection
14
again
to
include
additional
pavement,
a
channelized
right
turn
from
westerly
parkway
to
otterdale
road
and
the
appropriate
southbound
free
flow
acceleration
lane
on
otterdale
road,
as
well
as
traffic
control,
intersection
control,
such
as
a
traffic
signal
or
an
innovative
intersection
again.
Another
off-site
improvement
would
be
construction
of
two
lanes
for
westerly
parkway,
including
pedestrian,
accommodations
and
crosswalk
improvements
from
the
existing
terminus
of
the
north-south
collector
road.
H
And
finally,
widening
and
improving
the
north
side
of
otterdale
road
to
12-foot
lanes.
I'm
sorry
improving
the
north
side
of
duval
road
to
12-foot
lanes,
measured
from
the
center
line
of
existing
pavement,
effectively
improving
the
property
frontage
along
duval
construction.
I'll
go
back
to
the
map
here.
H
There
at
15,
between
15
and
the
and
the
western
property
line
that
that
portion
is
not
highlighted
for
some
reason.
I
apologize
for
that
and
finally,
construction
of
two
lanes
of
magnolia
green
parkway,
including
pedestrian
accommodations
from
its
existing
terminus
to
the
powhite
parkway
and
again,
that's
for
some
reason
is
not
highlighted.
H
Finally,
the
phasing
condition
again
prior
to
any
subdivision
or
site
plan
approval,
a
phasing
plan
for
the
improvements
will
be
submitted
to
and
approved
by
us,
and
then
those
improvements
as
listed
in
the
proffer
would
be
made
in
accordance
with
that
approved
phasing
plan,
and
the
details
of
the
phasing
plan
would
include
initially
with
development
of
the
middle
school.
The
following
improvements
would
be
completed:
reconstruction
of
the
otterdale
road
and
duvall
road
intersection
to
include
realignment
turn
lanes
and
intersection
control,
as
warranted
improvements
to
otterdale
road
and
westerly
parkway
intersection.
A
H
So
a
continuous
green
tea
is
a
an
intersection
treatment
whereby
this
the
side
street
is
signalized
and
when
you
are
turning
from
the
side
street
onto
the
main
street,
you
have
a
receiving
lane
that
allows
you
to
accelerate
into
the
primary
street.
But
one
lane
on
the
primary
street
is
unaffected
by
the
signal.
A
C
If
I
may,
mr
chairman,
I'd
like
to
follow
up
with
mr
sloan's
question,
he
had
several
questions
on
the
last
case
and
I
didn't
have
all
the
details
because
they
were
dated
back
to
like
2010
when
we
abandoned
those
tributary
monitoring
stations,
sir,
and
we
have
eight
in-lake
monitoring
stations
now
near
where
those
tributaries
dump
into
this
swift
creek
reservoir.
So
I
wanted
to
follow
up
with
you
on
that.
So
thank
you
for
that
opportunity
for
the
east
utilities
added
one
proffer
into
the
existing
case.
C
C
We
have
for
human
consumption
and
economic
development,
and
he
did
exactly
that
when
I
said
that
statement,
he
shook
his
head
in
agreement.
So
anyhow,
we
have
asked
that
the
irrigation
systems,
if
they
are
going
to
be
required,
have
water
conservation
features
and
that
the
plantings
in
irrigated
beds
be
native
species
or
drought
resistant
to
help
conserve
the
need
for
water.
C
D
D
C
If
I
may
add
a
suggestion,
mr
chairman,
to
mr
sloane's
comment
that
would
be
in
one
of
the
cases
I
worked
with
mrs
fry.
They
had
a
pond
on
the
on
the
property
and
we
suggested-
and
mr
collin
was
actually
involved
in
that
that
they
used
that
as
an
alternative
source
for
irrigation.
So
not
only
is
well
water
available.
There
may
be
a
pond
available,
as
well
kind
of
like
golf
courses.
Do
that'd
be
great.
Yes,
sir,.
A
C
E
J
G
Thank
you
again.
What
this
project
is?
It's
upper
magnolia
east
700
acres,
going
from
r9
and
agricultural
to
r15,
so
there's
a
residential
zoning
district.
We
are
allowing
for
multiple
public
facilities
to
be
developed
on
the
property
schools,
a
middle
school,
in
particular,
a
potential
for
an
elementary
school
and
a
library
to
be
incorporated
into
the
overall
upper
magnolia
green
project
area,
and
we
have
a
maximum
of
600
residential
single-family
detached
residential
units
that
we
have
in
the
proffers.
G
The
school
complex
property
is
it's
a
little
bit
smaller
than
what
we
had
before.
We
have
150
acres
that
we've
shown
that
we've
actually
put
into
the
proffers
so
that
we
could
accommodate
for
the
schools
and
public
uses
I
just
described
that
leaves
550
acres
for
residential
development.
That's
that
puts
us
at
a
density
of
roughly
1.09
dwelling
units
per
acre
so
that
that's
comparable
to
what
you
have
it's
actually
a
little
less
dense
than
what
you
have
in
nearby
westerly
and
summer
lakes.
G
We
have
a
minimum
lot
size
of
15
000
square
feet,
that's
what
the
15
represents
in
the
r15
zoning
district,
so
pretty
good
size
lots.
We
did
have
this
initial
conceptual
plan
that
we
shared
with
the
with
the
planning
commission
at
the
last
community
meeting.
Excuse
me
at
the
last
work
session,
we've
shared
community
meetings
as
well.
We
have
we
tried
to
introduce
this,
this
concept
of
having
trails,
a
network
of
trails,
in
particular
throughout
the
this
portion
of
the
of
the
development
we've
we've.
G
We
identified
some
we're
calling
basically
neighborhoods
within
the
overall
development,
which
would
be
that
those
r-15
areas
that
are
separated
by
some
environmental
areas.
We
don't
have
any
roads
shown
in
this
and
and
although
we
did
include
buffers
but
the
plan
that
we
have
now
incorporates
these
elements,
but
we've
improved
upon
it
to
show
everybody
what
that
looks
like.
G
The
planning
commission
commented
on
upper
magnolia
east
regarding
the
detail
of
the
conceptual
plan,
so
we've
of
course
took
that
to
heart,
as
we
did
with
upper
magnolia
west
and
we've
now
delineated
rpas,
we've
shown
trails,
a
better
network
of
trails
and
how
we're
going
to
actually
connect
to
points
northward.
So
we
can
ultimately
have
that
connection
that
we
want
to
have
to
horner
park,
although
it
is
an
off-site
connection,
roads
as
well
as
I
mentioned
they
have
been
included
in
in
the
in
the
conceptual
plan.
G
This
is
a
zoom
in
on
that
just
to
point
out
the
trails
here
we,
the
bikeways
and
trails
plan,
that
we
I
think
we
actually
showed
that
at
the
first
first
work
session
work
session,
the
goal
of
making
a
connection
from
points
southward
at
lower
magnolia
to
to
horner
park.
This
is
a
key
segment
to
make
sure
that
we
do
have
a
trail
connection,
that
courses
through
this
property
and
allows
for
that
network
network
that
we
envision.
G
We
have
a
couple
spots
here
and
I'll
just
point
these
out
using
this,
hopefully
it'll
work
for
me
this
time
we
have
the
trail
that
connects
the
different
neighborhoods.
We
have
this
point
here
that
goes
into
upper
magnolia
west
along
horse
pen,
creek,
and
then
we
have
along
along
the
north-south
road.
We
have
a
trail
connection.
We
have
a
connection
going
into
the
the.
G
Let
me
choose
a
different
color.
This
isn't
working
out
for
me,
okay,
this!
This
is
the
connection
here
that
would
go
along
horse
pen,
creek
and
then
get
to
points
northward.
I
would
connect
with
into
the
trail
network
that
we
showed
in
the
previous
conceptual
plan
for
upper
magnolia
west
and
then
the
likely
connection
to
would.
G
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
that
connection
and
we've
we
have
made
sure
that
connection
is
something
we
will
have
in
the
project
as
we
go
forward.
There
is
a
northern
connection
that
we
do
have
in
the
trails
map
here,
but
not
knowing
exactly
how
what
the
grade
of
poet
parking
will
be
par.
White
parkway
will
be
at
that
particular
location.
The
more
likely
connection
would
be
that
westerly
parkway
pedestrian
facility,
okay,
moving
on,
thank
you
yeah.
So
these
are
the
proffers
that
basically
just
spell
out
what
I
was
just
describing.
G
There
are
a
fair
amount
of
areas
that
will
be
undevelopable
based
on
the
rpa
that
courses
through
the
property,
so
we
do
envision
a
fair
amount
of
undeveloped
portions
of
that
550
acres
that
we
have,
but
we
also
wanted
to
make
sure
that
there's
a
you
know,
common
area
amenity
that
would
be
included
in
the
project,
and
we
spelled
that
out.
We
have
taken
a
look
at
some
of
the
finer
examples
we
have
had
of
late
for
residential
development
projects
and
incorporate
a
lot
of
the
proffers
related
to
architecture
and
site
design.
G
That
type
of
thing-
and
I'm
not
that's
a
very
lengthy
proffer.
So
I'm
not,
I
didn't
include
it
in
the
slide,
but
it
does
address
all
those
things
that
I've
listed
there
next
again,
the
master
design
plan.
Similarly
to
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
with
the
upper
magnolia
west
side,
we
want
to
do
something
comparable,
but
for
a
residential
community
on
the
east
side
and
that
we
want
to
make
sure
we
are
developing
a
cohesive,
well-coordinated
community
that
has
so
we've
added
the
requirement
for
this
master
design
plan
to
be
developed
again.
G
G
We
thought
this
was
also
a
good
opportunity
to
address
a
comment
that
we
got
earlier
on
in
the
process
to
involve
the
westerly
and
summerlike
communities
in
the
development
of
the
master
design
plan.
So
we've
put
forward
some
some
language.
The
eda
came
back
to
us
with
this
as
a
as
a
possibility,
and
it
is
a
an
opportunity
to
bring
in
those
folks
and
into
the
development
of
the
project.
G
So
I
had
previously
shown
a
slide
that
looked
like
this,
but
it
had
a
lot
more
going
on
on
it.
This
just
shows,
of
course,
now
we
don't
have
the
high
school
site
on
the
upper
magnolia
east
development,
but
this
is
again
a
preliminary
plan.
Just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
how
the
middle
school
could
be
laid
out.
Shifting
into
the
area
where
the
high
school
was
located.
It's
a,
I
would
say,
a
much
more
environmentally
sensitive
plan.
G
Preliminary
plan
still
more
work
to
be
done,
but
it
also
leaves
areas
for
what
I
mentioned
before,
with
a
future
elementary
school
and
perhaps
a
library
to
be
developed
on
the
property,
and
that
actually
concludes
the
upper
magnolia
east
comments
that
I
have.
I
did
want
to
just
kind
of
close
on
this
last
slide
here,
which
is
really
in
reference
to
both
projects,
upper
magnolia,
east
and
west,
and
what
the
next.
I
G
G
Yep,
so
in
closing,
the
last
slide
is
just
kind
of
what
to
do
from
here.
So
we've
we're
here
seeking
further
guidance
from
the
planning
commission
we've
held.
This
is
now
the
third
work
session
and
we've
had
various
community
meetings
so
and
not
to
mention
we
have
one
planned
for
march
10th,
we've
been
tracking
for
some
time
now,
a
march
planning
commission
public
hearing,
but,
as
I
mentioned
I'll-
defer,
of
course
to
the
planning
commission's
guidance
and
what
you'd
like
to
do
with
scheduling
public
hearing.
A
All
right
so
call
to
order
the
four
o'clock
agenda.
This
is
a
time
where
we
look
at
subdivision
cases,
cases
with
site
planning
and
whatnot
in
them.
Mr
gillies,
I
think
you
have
something
you
would
do.
We
have
any
changes
in
need
made
to
this
agenda.
First
of
all
by
any
commissioners,
no
changes
all
right,
mr
gillies.
E
Yeah,
the
the
meeting
procedures
are
pretty
common
and
similar
to
what
we
go
through
at
the
six
o'clock,
but
I'll
go
ahead
and
read
them.
The
planning
commission
makes
the
final
decision
on
approvals
for
certain
site
plans,
schematic
plans,
tentative
subdivision
plans,
development,
standard
modifications
and
appeals
of
the
director's
decision.
E
If
the
commission
approves
or
denies
the
request,
there
is
no
further
public
hearing.
Following
to
this
afternoon's
meeting,
you
may
obtain
information
on
any
case
that
was
deferred
by
calling
751
4610
and
entering
the
last
three
digits
of
the
case
number.
You
may
obtain
information
on
any
case
for
which
there
was
a
final
action
by
calling
the
planning
department
at
748-1050.
A
K
K
K
Oh
you're,
on
the
you're
on
the
presentation
for
the
beginning.
I'll
just
finish
this
to
say:
you've
deferred
this
now
three
times.
This
is
a
fourth
request
for
a
deferral
simply
to
continue
trying
to
address
the
concerns
of
the
neighborhood.
Mr
jack,
wilson
is
here
for
the
applicant
dave
cloak.
If
he,
if
you
would
like
for
him
to
speak
to
any
matter,.
A
L
Mr
chair
and
members
of
commissions,
just
we're
still
wanting
to
work
with
the
neighbors,
we're
also
working
with
vdot,
to
see
what
we
can
do
to
address
some
of
the
concerns
that
are
not
really
within
the
county's
purview
and
also
with
the
school
board
to
see
about
relocating
a
bus.
Stop
that's,
perhaps
causing
some
of
the
problems
so
and
then
you
throw
the
upper
magnolia
overlay
into
this
area,
we're
working
through
a
number
of
issues,
and
we
just
need
some
more
time
to
do
it
great.
Thank
you
all
right.
A
All
right
with
that
being
said,
this
is
a
public
hearing,
so
I'm
opening
the
public
hearing
for
case
number
zero.
Eight,
two
s
zero
one,
two
two
in
the
metoic
district,
rref2tfc
wynwood
llc-
is
there
anyone
president
who
would
like
to
speak
either
in
support
or
opposition
of
the
re
of
this
request
for
deferral?
A
Seeing
no
one
do
we
have
any
public
comments
have
been
received
for
this
deferral?
I
will
close
the
public
hearing.
This
case
is
in
the
matoka
district.
I
will
make
a
motion
to
defer
case
number:
zero,
eight
ts0122
rref
to
tfc
wynwood
llc
until
until
our
may
17th
2022
planning
commission
meeting.
Actually
I'm
going
to
rephrase
my
referral,
I
will
defer
this
case
to
our
regularly
scheduled.
May
2022
planning,
commission
meeting.
I
M
A
K
You,
sir,
this
case
in
the
military
magisterial
district
is
for
a
sign
for
infinity,
auto
sales.
It
actually
is
an
existing
sign
that
is
being
moved
from
one
site
to
this
site,
but
this
particular
site,
if
you'll,
show
the
the
location
which
is
the
former
highmountain
brothers
automotives
on
a
bill
sales
site,
they
want
to
move
the
infiniti
sign
here,
and
the
zoning
case
on
this
site
requires
planning
commission
approval
if
it's
larger
than
was
required
by
the
ordinance
back
in
the
1980s.
K
K
K
A
N
My
name
is
joe
howell,
I'm
with
capital
science,
my
wife,
jerry
howell,
has
been
taking
care
of
this
and
she's
not
able
to
be
here
today,
so
I'm
taking
over.
So
I
apologize.
If
I
don't
have
all
your
answers.
As
mr
allen
said,
we
haven't
got
any
opposition
from
anyone
with
this.
We
have
gone
to
all
the
other
dealerships.
N
N
They
were
under
the
impression
that
they
could
just
pick
it
up
and
move
it
and
be
done
with
it,
and
then,
when
we
started
the
permitting
process,
we
found
out
that
I
believe
it
was
15
feet.
He
was
mentioning
13
feet,
but
it
was
an
overall
height
that
this
one
exceeds
by
several
feet
in
the
subsequent
research
we
did
with
them.
We
found
out
that
there
was
a
possibility
upon
zoning
approval
to
get
this
permitted.
So
that's
where
we
are
right
now.
Okay,
thank.
A
A
O
I
A
M
A
E
B
A
I
B
Well,
I've
been
given
instructions,
since
I
have
two
hours
before
the
next
public
hearing
that
I've
got
plenty
of
time
to
get
all
the
changes
done
and
then
get
them
to
get
into
the
economic
development.
Take
a
look
we're
expecting
to
have
it
in
the
next
couple
days,
get
them
back
to
the
plane
and
let
them
take
a
look,
so
I'm
hoping
by
the
end
of
the
week
we'll
have
something
for
you
all.
So
that's
probably
garrett
calling
now
tell
me
what
I
haven't
gotten.
I'm
done.
A
A
F
D
D
D
Though
I
mean
it's
not
one
case,
it's
two
distinct
cases
and
I
think
you
know
to
to
be
able
to
you
know
for
citizens
to
be
able
to
come
in
and
hear
the
you
know,
concise
presentation
on
the
one
case
offer
public
comments
on
it
and
so
forth.
We
know
we
need
some
enhanced
proffers.
You
know
some
new
profit
rewrites
we've
asked
transportation
to
a
little
bit
of
workforce
on
on
the
western
case.
D
D
D
A
So,
let's
tell
you,
let's
go
ahead
and
does
anybody
else
have
any
comments
on
this?
Why
don't
we
set
the
public
hearing
on
the
east
case
for
the
march
15th
planning
commission
meeting
and
we
will
decide
how
things
are
going
on
the
west
case
about
setting
it
for
april?
I
don't
want
to
set
it
for
april
right
now
and
something
happened
to
significantly
change
it
that
they
have
to
do
some
rework
on
it.
A
A
A
Okay,
so
everybody's
comfortable
with
march
15th.
I
know
it's
my
choice,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
there
was
no
objection
for
the
east.
Okay,
all
right.
Do
we
have
any
other
business
to
bring
well.
Actually,
I
guess
we
need
to
go
back
because,
oh
sorry,
so
do
I
have
a.
I
have
a
motion
to
set
a
public
hearing
for
case
number
21sn0675
known
as
upper
magnolia
green
east
to
be
for
march
15
2022..
B
E
I
just
as
in
reference
to
the
west,
are
we
going
to
take
any
action
tonight
on
the
west?
Is
that
the
consensus
of
you
all
to
wait
and
see
on
that?
If
so,
do
you
want
another
community?
I
mean
another
work
session
on
the
west
on
march
15th.
We
we
need
a
little
bit
of.
I
guess
idea
as
to
what
you'd
like
to
see
between
now
and
potential
setting
of
a
I.