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City of Bend Sounding Board to House our Neighbors Meeting for April 28, 2021.
A
Okay,
hi
everyone
thanks
for
coming
this
morning,
taking
time
out
of
your
day,
we
might
have
a
few
more
folks,
trickling
in
so
I
might
be
staring
at
the
attendees
to
let
them
in.
Let's
see
so
before
I
go
over
the
agenda
and
everything
I'm
gonna
hand
it
over
to
megan
just
to
welcome
everyone,
and
we
can
get
started.
B
C
Thank
you
for
being
here
for
meeting
number
two,
it's
good
to
see.
I
see
one
new
face,
so
that's
great,
did
you
and
am
really
glad
and
hopeful
for
us
to
go
forward
in
this
work,
particularly
with
some
sort
of
exciting
news
from
the
legislature.
So
thank
you.
C
Thank
you
for
all
that
you
do
and
let's,
let's
get
to
work
and
let's,
let's
find,
let's
figure
out
the
best
way
that
we
can
house
as
many
people
as
we
can
as
we
deal
with
with
this
crisis
for
our
city.
A
Okay,
great,
thank
you.
Do
we
want
to
do
introductions
real,
quick,
just.
C
Sure
I
know
we
did
more
lengthier
version
last
time.
Do
we
want
to
just
go
around,
do
name
affiliation
and
maybe
just
say
one
of
the
things
that
you're
hoping
to
achieve
today
and
I
can
start
with
rihanna.
D
Hello,
brianna
manfress,
I'm
with
pinnacle
architecture,
and
I
guess
today
I'm
just
really
excited
about
talking
about
sort
of
the
the
components
of
the
zoning
and
some
of
the
additional
information
and
research
I've
been
finding
in
various
locations.
So
yeah,
that's
great.
C
E
C
F
G
G
B
H
I
J
K
Yeah
hi,
I'm
michaela
oliver
community
relations
manager
with
the
city
just
really
looking
forward
to
talking
about
some
of
the
cool
ideas
that
are
happening
around
the
nation.
So
we
will
have
good
discussion.
L
Good
morning
pauline
hardy
city
planning
department,
I'm
just
gonna
help.
You
all
write
the
code
thanks.
C
That's
important
lynn.
N
Good
morning,
eric
tobiason
president
of
the
bend
heroes,
foundation
and
program
manager
for
the.
O
Veterans,
village
under
construction
hope
to
share
our
experiences
at
the
front
end
of
our
project
when
we
were
going
through
the
code
and
identifying
some
of
the
text,
amendments
that
would
need
to
be
made
and
other
zoning
issues
so
happy
to
share
the
experience
and
learn
and
help.
C
Thank
you
eric,
let's
see
who
have
I
not
done
yet.
P
C
Thank
you
see
juan.
Did
you
want
to
give
us
a
quick
intro
again.
Q
C
A
Hi
everyone
I'm
looking
forward
today
to
getting
your
feedback
on
the
types
of
kind
of
housing,
shelter
buckets
that
we're
looking
at.
A
Neat
wow,
okay,
anyhow,
okay,
let
me
we
could
talk
a
whole
meeting
about
star
wars
and
all
that
stuff.
So
anyhow,
we'll
do
that
another
time.
So
let
me
go
ahead
and
share
the
screen
with
the
presentation
up
here.
Okay,
so
can
everyone
see
that
I'm
gonna
turn
it
into
this
mode
too?
A
All
right!
So
here
we
are
our
second
meeting.
So
thanks
everyone
again
for
coming
just
an
overview
of
the
agenda
before
we
get
started.
We've
got
some
housekeeping
we'll
go
through
the
minutes
and
then
we'll
have
public
comment.
There's
a
few
people
in
the
lobby.
So
I
think
there's
about
five
people
and
so
I'll.
Ask
you
in
a
second,
if
you're
here
for
public
comment
or
just
to
kind
of
hang
out
and
listen,
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
public
involvement
and
community
surveying.
A
That's
already
occurred
with
the
city
with
regard
to
houselessness
and
providing
different
housing
types
for
folks
and
then
talk
about
the
pending
state
legislation.
That'll
take
all
of
a
minute
because
it's
moving
pretty
quick
and
then
we'll
go
into
the
discussion
and
overview
of
peer
city,
shelter,
types
and
zoning
districts.
Kind
of
talk
about
some
examples.
From
the
memo
I
sent
out
and
other
things
and
make
sure
we're
we're
thinking
about
the
right
buckets
of
types
of
shelter
as
we
move
forward.
A
So
does
that
sound
good
with
everyone,
okay
and
feel
free
to
unmute?
And
you
know
jump
in
because
I
can't
see
everybody's
facebook
boxes
or
whatever
so.
D
D
A
I
think
probably
down-
I
didn't
number
this,
but
if
you
can
see
my
arrow
this
discussion
overview
of
pure
city,
shelter,
types
and
zoning
districts,
perfect,
then
yeah.
B
A
Sound
good
okay.
Before
we
go
to
public
comment,
we
sent
out
the
draft
minutes
and
I
know
they're
brief.
We
typically
are
making
minutes
now
for
committing
meetings,
just
sort
of
like
the
the
basics,
because
we
get
into
this
gray
area
of
actually
doing
a
full
transcript
to
capture
everything.
Everybody
said,
but
legally
we're
required
to
just
sort
of
like
do
the
overview
of
the
agenda.
Who
was
there
and
then
any
major
decisions?
A
P
A
So
does
anyone
want
to
move
or
does
anyone
have
any
questions
and
we
can
move
to
approve
the
amen?
The.
A
Okay,
I
think
I'm
seeing
everybody's
hands-
yes,
okay,
okay,
so
approval
of
the
minutes.
So
why
don't
we
go
now
to
public
comment,
folks
that
are
in
the
lobby?
Can
you
raise
your
hand
if
you'd
like
to
provide
public
comment
right
now.
H
E
A
Shoot
sorry.
T
T
My
own,
my
only
comment
is-
and
this
is
just
one
person's
opinion-
would
it
be
possible
in
the
future
to
have
the
public
com
comment
section
at
the
end
rather
than
the
beginning,
so
that
those
of
us
in
the
public
who
are
you
know
coming
in
and
observing
the
work
you're
doing-
will
have
something
to
comment
on.
I
just
feel
like
it
might
be
more
useful
at
the
at
the
end
of
the
meeting,
then
at
the
beginning.
So
and
again,
that's
just
one
person's
opinion.
A
Okay,
great
and
we
can
we
can
do
it
both
ways.
We
initially
had
it
at
the
end,
and
then
I
moved
it
to
the
beginning,
so
yeah
either
way,
and
actually,
if
we
have
time
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
you
can,
we
can
provide
another
public
comment
period.
A
Okay,
charles
I'm,
gonna.
Allow
you
to
talk.
A
A
Charles
okay,
I'm
gonna
we'll
come
back
to
you!
How
about
tom,
oh
charles.
A
Okay,
why
don't
we
come
back
back
to
you,
charles?
How
about
tom
good,
I'm
gonna.
Allow
you
to
talk.
U
Hi
yeah
tom,
I'm
a
homeowner
in
the
larkspur
neighborhood,
and
I
am
I
have
a
question
regarding
the
overlap
between
the
temporary
housing
code,
changes
that
have
already
been
passed
by
city
council
on
april
7th,
which
were
fairly
substantial
in
terms
of
where
temporary
housing
is
allowed
within
the
city
among
and
other
aspects
around
temporary
housing.
U
So
I'm
curious
about
the
overlap
between
the
code
changes
on
april
7th
that
already
passed
versus
this
whole
process,
so
it
it
almost
would
seem
like
this
is
after
the
code,
changes
have
already
been
implemented,
passed
and
are
in
effect
in
the
city
of
bend
code.
So
if
anyone
can
address
that
question,
I
would
appreciate
that.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
great
before
we
get
to
tom's
question,
does
anyone
else?
I
don't
see
any
other
hands
raised?
A
Okay,
let
me
go
back
to.
A
One
can
you
okay
there
we
go
great,
okay,
so
tom,
to
answer
your
question
I
might
have
pauline
hardy
or
elizabeth
o'shell
weigh
in.
I
think
the
code
changes
you
were
talking
about
speak
specifically
to
the
type
of
housing
that
we're
calling
short-term
shelter
and
elizabeth.
I
see
you
nodding
your
head,
so
I'm
going
to
let
you
talk
actually,
okay,.
P
Thanks
susan,
I'm
sure
you
would
have
gotten
it
as
well,
so
the
code
changes
that
were
just
passed
by
council
were
what
we
were
referring
to
as
sort
of
short-term
quick
strike
changes.
We
have
an
existing
definition
of
temporary
housing
in
the
code
and
it
was
regulated,
is
regulated
in
a
certain
way,
and
so
the
changes
that
were
passed
by
council
and
are
in
effect
now
simply
expanded.
Where
that
existing
definition
of
temporary
housing
could
be
located
in
the
city
without
a
conditional
use
permit.
P
So
it
was
a
sort
of
a
short-term,
very
specific
change
to
only
you
know
the
location
that
that
type
of
housing
would
be
allowed.
This
process
is
meant
to
look
more
broadly.
Are
there
different
types
of
short-term
housing
or
shelters
that
should
be
allowed
more
specifically,
and
are
there
specific
regulations
for
different
types
of
shelter,
housing
that
should
be
in
place
in
different
areas
around
the
town?
P
So
if
this
process
moves
forward,
the
concept
would
be
whatever
this
committee
comes
up
with,
would
sort
of
replace
the
changes
that
were
made
by
council
in
april
as
a
larger
look
at
more
broadly,
how
do
we
regulate
short-term
shelters
and
short-term
housing
throughout
the
city
on
a
more
broad
and
specific
level?
So
I
hope
that
answers
the.
A
U
Yeah,
I
mean
it's
an
answer,
I
guess,
but
it
requires
some
understanding
of
the
intricacies.
I
mean,
for
instance,
you're
saying
that
the
it
was
you're
sort
of
indicating
that
it
was
temporary,
but
my
understanding
is
that
it's
not
temporary.
It's
permanent
part
of
the
city
code
like
the
conditional
use
so
and
I
don't
want
to
side
track
and
get
involved
in
that.
But
so
did
you
did.
Is
my
question
answered
sort
of,
but
I
think
there's
more
to
it
than
that.
But
again
I
don't
want
to
sidetrack.
So
let's
let
me
answer
yes,.
A
Okay,
we
can
talk
to
you
offline,
it's,
I
think
the
term
temporary
it's
I've
had
to
have
this
explained
to
me
too.
It's
a
permanent
permanent
building
with
the
use
is
temporaries
meant
for
temporary
transitional
use.
I
don't
know
if
that
makes
sense,
but
the
building
the
people
using
it
are
intended
to
be
transitional,
not
not
there
for
permanent.
A
U
Right
changes,
for
instance,
the
conditional
use
permit,
was
removed.
There
is
no
more
conditional
use
in
commercial
districts
within
the
city
of
bend
throughout
the
city
of
bend
that
was
removed,
so
I
mean
it
pretty
much
allows
temporary
housing
to
go
anywhere
in
commercial
districts
or
the.
I
think
it's
mu,
the
multi-urban
or
zones-
that's
already
been
done
so,
but
if,
if
this
process
is
now
going
to
walk
those
back,
which
is
one
part
of
the
answer,
then
that's
you
know
different.
So
it's
fine.
U
L
Okay,
thank
you
susannah,
sorry,
just
for
clarity,
the
use
the
code
amendment
that
tom's
talking
about
remove
the
conditional
use
permit
in
the
commercial
limited
and
general
commercial
zoning
districts.
It
still
is
not
allowed
in
the
convenience
commercial
and
it's
a
conditional
use
permit
in
the
central
business
district.
A
Okay,
all
right,
so,
let's
go
on.
If
there's
no
other
questions,
let's
go
on
to
the
next
agenda
item.
I
don't
have
a
bunch
of
powerpoint
slides
for
this,
but
just
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
our
plan
for
community
involvement.
Actually,
I'm
going
to
share
this
real
quick
just
because
I
think
cons
brought
it
up
last
meeting
sort
of
the
desire
to
have
a
little
more
community
feedback
as
we're
writing
the
code.
A
Amendments
which
you
know
makes
sense
we're
on
a
little
bit
of
a
fast
track,
but
so
I
thought
it
would
be
useful
just
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
overall
plan
for
for
the
sounding
board's
work
again.
So
we're
actually
meeting
two
but
we're
sort
of
blending
these
two
into
one
we'd,
intended
on
having
some
community
outreach
on
either
drafts
at
that
point
or
or
kind
of
concepts,
and
I
think
we'll
be
ready
to
do
that-
probably
and
then
going
into
the
summer.
A
I
don't
think
it
this
is
set
in
stone
so
much.
I
think
that
there'll
be
an
opportunity
back
and
forth
for
public
input
on
the
language
through
a
number
of
things
and
michaela
is
going
to
talk
about
some
work
that
the
neighborhood
leadership
alliance
did
earlier
this
year
regarding
the
shelter,
the
managed
camp
concept,
that
was,
we
were
talking
about
up
at
juniper
ridge.
A
There
was
a
lot
of
outreach
done
at
that
point
and
we
have
some
good
stuff
on
that
that
we'll
send
out
to
you
all
after
the
meeting
we
are
starting
council
subcommittees
up
again,
so
I
don't
know
if
folks
are
aware,
but
in
the
past
sometimes
council
meetings
are
there's
so
much
on
them
on
the
agenda
that
we
started
a
couple
years
ago
doing
these
smaller
subcommittees.
So
the
council
is
split
up
into
these
two
subcommittees:
one
is
community
building
and
one
is
stewardship.
A
Stewardship
is
more
like
environment
sustainability,
although
they
do
talk
about
homelessness,
houselessness
and
services,
and
then
community
building
is
more
land
use,
and
so
those
are
a
smaller
group
and
I
think,
on
the
community
building
subcommittee
is
where
this
would
go
to
and
I
I
think
we're
going
to
start
the
first
meeting
in
at
the
end
of
may
or
early
june,
and
it's
intended
to
kind
of
have
an
opportunity
for
counselors
to
ask
questions
about
things.
Moving
forward
and
there's
always
public
comment
at
those.
A
A
So
I
was
thinking
I
could
work
with
you
all
to
get
input
on
the
questions
to
ask
and
the
types
of
information
that
we're
displaying.
So
anyway,
that's
just
a
concept
I've
been
thinking
about,
and
then
we
can
get
good
information
from
there
and
then
otherwise.
I
think
we
could
probably
push
something
out
more
of
a
paper
type
survey
through
the
nla
or
other
mechanisms,
so
those
are
just
a
few
a
few
concepts.
Let
me
stop
sharing.
A
I
wanted
michaela
to
talk
about
the
nla
survey
and
what
was
done
for
that,
but
I
think
we'll
be
able
to
sort
of
get
community
involvement
along
the
way
from
a
number
of
different
different
methods,
so
michaela
may
hand
it
up
after
you,
okay,.
K
Thanks
susannah,
so
I
am
also
the
staff
liaison
to
the
neighborhood
leadership
alliance,
and
we
have
I
mean
we're
a
relatively
new
committee.
So
we
started
out
in
2018
drafting
the
our
guidelines
and
policies
and
then
this
last
couple
of
years
have
just
been
getting
up
on
our
feet
and
going,
and
so
what
we
have
done
to
gather
feedback.
H
K
So
we
have
kind
of
created
this
process
where
we
keep
an
eye
out
on
what
is
coming
down.
K
The
line
for
policy
changes
for
you
know
hot
topics,
and
then
we
invite
staff
and
community
folks
from
to
the
nla,
to
talk
to
the
committee
about
those
issues
and
kind
of
give
them
a
broad
background
on
what
we're
looking
at-
and
in
this
case,
the
nla
heard
from
carolyn
egan
and
other
city
staff
back
in
october,
about
the
juniper
ridge
feasibility
study
for
doing
a
transitional
shelter
site
in
that
area,
and
so
after
we
had
susannah
come
and
do
a
present
or
sorry.
I
said
suzanna
because
I
was
looking
at
you.
K
Carolyn
come
and
do
a
presentation
with
me
in
l.a
and
we
did
a
short
it's.
I
would
call
it
an
abbreviated
memo
of
what
was
shared
during
those
presentations
and
then
we
crafted
about
five
questions,
and
this
was
an
effort
between
the
nla
chairs
and
city
staff
to
say
what
do
we
want
to
know
from
from
the
community
as
we
approach
this
issue
and
so
together
and
I'm
gonna
share
my
screen.
K
K
The
neighborhood
leadership
alliance
is
that
they
are
one
representative
from
each
of
the
13
neighborhood
associations,
and
so
the
way
that
this
works
is
that
they
would
get
these
discussion
prompts
and
they
would
take
it
back
to
their
board
and
if
there's
enough
time,
they
could
survey
their
members
in
any
way
that
they
want
to
to
to
see
what
the
responses
are
from
the
community
or
they
could
talk
amongst
their
board
members
if
they
have
a
good
feeling
of
where
people
are
at
and
submit
these
back
to
the
nla.
K
So,
with
this
discussion
prompts,
we
start
out
with
the
introduction
brief
synopsis
of
the
presentation
and
we
provided
them
with
the
recording
for
the
presentation
in
case
they
wanted
to
get
into
the
details,
and
then
we
provided
some
action
options
for
the
nla,
so
the
nla,
being
an
advisory
committee
at
that
time,
had
heard
from
the
boyd
acres
neighborhood
association
about
the
jupiter
ridge
proposal
about
how
they
felt
that
they
were
caught
off
guard
and-
and
so
we
wanted
to
see
if
there
was
a
consensus
among
the
neighborhood
associations
that
the
process
was
maybe
out
of
order
or
if
we
could
have
done
better
and
so
so
you'll
see
a
variety
of
options
option
one
then
la
takes
no
action,
as
the
transitional
shelter
site
of
juniper
ridge
is
not
feasible
at
this
time,
so
they
wouldn't
even
continue
the
conversation
just
because
that
site
was
not
selected.
K
The
third
was
that
the
nla
supports
the
concerns
of
boyd
acres
on
the
process
and
request
city
council
to
inform
the
nla
and
neighborhood
associations
of
efforts
prior
to
public
engagement
and
the
nla
requests
that
the
city
engaged
the
nla
in
the
upcoming
process
for
amending
the
development
code.
Here
we
are,
and
so
I
I
think
we
gave
them
a
lot
of
options-
option
five
was
that
the
city
or
the
nla
request,
the
city
abandoned
the
idea
of
managed
camps,
and
so
we
also
put
with
this
these
options.
K
Five
questions
that
we
wanted
them
to
look
at,
and
this
was
something
like
I
said,
the
nla
chairs
and
then
staff
worked
on
to
say
what
do
we
really
want
to
know
from
the
community
without
wanting
to
increase
expectations
or
give
unreasonable
expectations
of
what
can
and
cannot
be
commented
on,
and
so
the
way
that
we
did
this
was
we
asked,
as
the
city
pursues
the
managed
camp
concept.
K
What
would
make
you
feel
comfortable
having
a
managed
camp
in
your
neighborhood?
What
would
make
you
concerned?
What
I
thought
was
interesting
is
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we
had
already
been
talking
about.
As
a
city
were
addressed
in
this,
so
they
had
a
big
large
consensus
that
they
wanted
security
and
they
wanted
to
be
safe
around
schools
that
they
wanted
it
to
be
managed
and
maintained
so
that
it
wasn't
just
a
camp
without
any
sort
of
oversight
for
question
three.
K
We
asked:
what
should
the
city's
role
be
in
working
on
the
complex
societal
issues
of
affordable
housing
and
homelessness?
We
heard
from
the
neighborhoods
that
they
think
the
city
should
be.
You
know
the
collaborator,
the
person,
that's
bringing
these
groups
together,
providing
funding
where
possible
and
trying
to
explore
solutions
without
having
to
take
on
the.
I
guess,
the
actual
overseeing
of
something
like
this.
So
partnering
with
neighbor
impact
and
other
community
groups
and
then
for
question
four,
we
said
which
of
the
nla
action
options
provided
are
most
appealing
to
you.
K
I
can
tell
you
that
of
the
13
neighborhood
associations
all
chose
well,
only
one
shows
that
they
did
not
want
managed
camps
anywhere
in
the
city.
K
There
were
plenty
of
people
who
really
aired
on
the
side
of
we
want
to
be
compassionate,
but
we
also
want
to
be
smart
about
the
policies
that
we're
putting
in
place
and
so
the
the
options
two
three
and
four,
which
is
really
saying.
Can
you
please
involve
us
in
this
process,
was
kind
of
the
general
ask
of
the
nla,
and
then
I,
let's
see
so
we
provided
a
tentative
timeline
for
them
to
to
respond
to
that
and
so
yeah.
I
have
the
really
in-depth
responses.
K
Suzanna
just
kind
of
wanted
me
to
give
an
overview
of
what
we
had
you
know
put
together
and
and
how
it
worked.
So
we're
happy
to
send
out
those
in-depth
responses
later
for
you,
and
I
can
also
send
out
the
snapshot
which
just
kind
of
highlights
what
the
the
themes
in
it
were
in
the
responses
that
we
received.
A
Anyone
have
any
questions
for
michaela
the
survey,
the
information,
it's
a
lot
and
it's
really
interesting
stuff,
as
we
think
about
you
know
beyond
the
super
sighting
bills
that
are
likely
to
be
passed,
you
know
how.
How
do
we
provide
opportunities
for
folks
who
are
who
are
houseless
right
now
and
be
able
to
kind
of
make
the
neighborhoods
okay
with
with
with
them
with
the
different
types
of
development?
A
E
Yeah
hi,
I
have
a
question.
I
think
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
is
really
important
about
your
position.
Michaela
and
our
work
with
the
nla
is
identifying
what
concerns
might
be
dissolved
based
on
additional
information,
having
sort
of
a
two-way
communication
street
of
I
think
that,
in
my
informal
conversations
with
people
that
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
misunderstanding
about
who
the
homeless
population
is
where
they're
coming
from,
whether
they're
employed
or
not
not
realizing,
there's
a
lot
of
children.
K
We
actually,
after
we
received
these
responses,
we
did
invite
the
homeless
leadership
coalition
and
to
come
and
do
a
presentation
at
an
nla
meeting
following
receiving
these
and
then
provided
some
information
to
the
neighborhoods.
It
also
helped
us
my
role
is
in
the
communications
department
at
the
city
and
so
understanding
where
some
of
the
concerns
were
and
knowing
that
we
already
were
thinking
about.
Some
of
these
things
really
helped
us
frame
our
communications
back
out
to
the
community
to
help
make
sure
that
some
of
those
concerns
they
realize
are
already
being
addressed.
K
So
thank
you
for
that,
and
I
definitely
agree.
Two-Way
communication
is
very
important.
F
If
I
can
just
step
in
this
is
stacy,
one
of
the
messages
that
I
think
would
be
really
helpful
to
give
to
community
members
is
that
the
once
the
managed
camp
is
up
and
going
if
that's
the
route
that's
taken
is
to
really
discuss
the
case
management
piece
and
the
ongoing
support
out
at
this
program,
because
I
think
there's
this
feeling
that
we're
just
going
to
deliver
and
drop
off
items
to
people.
F
But
I
think
it's
important
to
to
help
people
understand
in
our
house
community
that
we're
working
on
other
goals,
such
as
housing,
employment,
getting
a
driver's
license
or
birth
certificate.
Those
types
of
things,
and
I
think
that
ongoing
engagement
is
really
important,
that
we
message
that
thank.
R
J
And
I
have
to
apologize,
I
was,
I
lost
contact
for
a
few
minutes.
So
if
my
comments
seem
out
of
touch,
that's
why
to
kathy's
point
we
talked
about
humanizing.
J
I
think
that's
important,
and
I
I
wonder
if
part
of
that
isn't
I
don't
know
exactly
the
best
way
to
present
the
demographics,
but
I
think
there
certainly
is
a
perception
by
many
of
the
public,
and
the
perception
is
that
you
know
99
of
the
houseless.
Are
this
or
75
of
the
houseless?
Are
that
and
we
kind
of
need
to
dispel
that
we
need
to
put
maybe
not
real
faces
or
maybe
real
faces,
and
I'm
not
trying
to
launch
a
whole
separate
campaign,
but
I
think
that
educational
piece
is
missing.
J
J
We
can
do
here
to
really
get
people
to,
for
lack
of
a
better
term,
calm
down
a
little
bit
and
see
more
of
the
pieces
that
are
still
still
dynamic,
but
to
understand
that
you
know
there
is
a
lot
of
knowledge,
a
lot
of
resources
and
we're
just
trying
to
coordinate
a
good
deal
of
this.
So
I
think
that
education,
humanizing
pieces
is
still
really
important
to
help
the
public
better
understand
the
one
that
helped
the
99
understand.
The
situation
of
the
one
percent.
P
D
So
one
of
the
things
that
keeps
coming
up
in
a
lot
of
the
conversations
and
my
mom
actually
works
for
the
city
of
eugene,
so
it
was
really
relevant
a
lot
of
the
examples
that
were
shared.
But
so
I
keep
picking
her
brain
about
what
they've
been
doing
and
how
they
approach
it.
But
the
term
that
keeps
coming
up
is
it's
the
layers
of
an
onion,
and
I
think
you
know
each
of
these
groups
and
how
this
is
approached
we're
only
talking.
D
I
mean
you
have
to
break
it
down
because
it's
so
complex
and
each
of
these
pieces
integrated
together,
can
help
provide
the
overall
solution,
and
I
think
we
have
to
keep
in
mind
that
we
can't
get
hung
up
on
one
objective
or
solution
because
they
all
have
to
work
together
in
order
to
solve
the
whole
problem.
So
I
think
each
of
these
pieces
are
really
important
and
as
we
break
them
down,
it's
just
good
to
keep
in
mind
that
there's
other
things
that
are
surrounding
it
that
are
going
to
help
it
make
it
successful.
A
I
I
just
want
to
add
to
what
stacy
said
something
that's
helpful
in
reminding
people
of
the
humanism
aspect
and
that
these
are
our
neighbors.
I
When
I
was
managing
kenton
women's
village,
I
was
very
active
in
the
neighborhood
association
and
so
would
meet
with
the
monthly
and
talk
about
successes
that
were
getting
those
ids
and
getting
jobs
and
getting
people
housed,
and
we
were
also
very
involved
in
our
neighborhood.
You
know
obviously,
folks
are
autonomous
and
this
isn't
a
requirement,
but
it's
just
really
great
to
remember
that
folks
are
our
neighbors
and
it's
not
just
putting
something
in
your
neighborhood.
C
Yeah,
I
was
just
going
to
add
to
what
everyone
is
saying
here,
what
I'm
seeing
as
a
counselor.
You
know
with
emails
and
communications
that
I'm
getting
it
really
is
becoming
in
us
versus
them,
and
we
have
to
figure
out.
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
trying
to
think
about
how,
as
a
council
and
as
a
city,
you
know
we
really
do
need
to
do.
I
mean
for
lack
of
a
better
word,
a
marketing
campaign.
You
know
we
need.
C
We
need
a
marketing
campaign
to
to
humanize
our
neighbors
and
to
get
to
get
people
to
understand
that
it's
not
us
versus
them.
You
know
that
we're
all
we're
all
here
as
bendites
and
so
any
ideas
that
you
all
have
for
that.
It's
things
that
we
can
do
as
a
city
or
as
a
council.
E
Could
I
make
a
suggestion
in
my
in
our
last
meeting,
I
had
communicated
a
bit
with
a
gentleman
who
had
been
on
the
online
and
he
forwarded
to
me
a
video
called
people
of
new
york,
which
some
of
you
may
be
familiar
with,
and
it's
it's
a
it's
showing
the
true
faces
of
the
people
who
are
homeless
in
the
community,
and
I
think
if
the
city
has
the
funds,
through
their
communication
department
to
put
together
either
a
slideshow
or
video,
if
you
can
get
people
to
be
comfortable
enough
to
share
their
stories.
B
E
Large
percentage
are
working
in
the
community,
have
family
in
the
community
they're
from
central
oregon
they're,
not
coming
from
someplace
else.
Unfortunately,
what
a
lot
of
people
see
are
the
travelers
on
the
corners
with
their
signs
and
they
think
that's
100,
representative
of
the
homeless
community,
and
so,
if
there's
an
opportunity
to
create
something
like
that,
I
think
that
would
go
a
long
way,
because
the
picture
is
worth
a
thousand
words
and
seeing
the
kind
faces
of
the
people
who
are
you
know,
our
neighbors
would
really
go
far.
K
Yeah
yeah,
no
definitely
I
mean
we.
We
love
that
idea
and
I
think
that
you
know
everything
that
you
guys
are
sharing
is
really
great.
So
all
I
can
say
is
I'll,
take
some
notes
and
as
this
group
progresses
and
as
the
our
actions
form
all
we'll
consider
doing
some
sort
of
communications
campaign
or
and
see
how
we
can
help
in
that
area.
A
G
To
say,
I
think,
not
only
is
it
important
to
educate
the
public,
but
I
also
think.
G
The
kind
of
city
services
I
saw
some,
I
saw
some
internal
memos
recently
from
the
bend
police
force
regarding
homelessness,
and
there
was
some
pretty
disturbing
comments
in
there,
and
I
feel
like
this.
These.
These
are
the
people
who
are,
you
know,
protecting
and
serving
they're
interacting
with
a
lot
of
these
houseless
people,
and
you
know
seeing
comments
comparing
services
to
feeding
bears
in
a
national
park.
G
G
This
is
not
representative
of
everyone
on
the
police
force,
but
I
think
that
there
needs
to
be
education
with
in
that
with
that
entity
as
well,
because
that's
to
protect
and
serve,
they
need
to
be
hold
held
to
a
little
bit
of
a
higher
standard
and
and
again
these
are
these
are
these
are.
S
G
That
are
interacting
with
with
the
house's
population,
and
I
think
that
it's
not
just
the
public.
It's
also
our
civil
servants.
C
B
A
Okay,
thank
you
anything
else
on
public
involvement,
ideas
before
we
move
off
of
this
again,
we'll
send
out
the
survey
I
also
wanted
to
just
we
have
a
community
survey
that
we
do
every
at
least
every
two
years.
Let
me,
let's
see,
I'm
not
sure
if
you
can
see
that
where
the
zoom
bar
is,
but
if
you
can
see
the
graphics
here
to
the
right.
These
are
just
snapshots
from
the
community
survey.
Yeah
michaela
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
but
we
I
think
we
do
it
every
two
years.
A
It's
done
by
pretty
much
the
same
firm
and
they
ask
kind
of
the
same
baseline
questions
and
usually
housing
and
and
traffic
is
usually
the
highest
in
the
past
few
years.
But
in
january
the
results
were
housing
is,
is
on
top
now
on
top
of
traffic,
and
then
this
was
the
first
time
that
people
had
mentioned
homelessness
and
hunger
in
in
our
survey
that
had
never
really
shown
up
before
and
then
another
slide
talked
about
there.
A
You
usually
transportation,
is
the
highest,
but
you
can
see
that
now
social
issues
is
being
brought
up
too,
and
that
was
the
first
time
we'd.
Seen
that
in
our
community
survey,
so
definitely
our
community
is
changing
and
it's
noticing
more
that
we
need
to
provide
more
social
type
services
which
we
haven't
traditionally
done.
A
We
were
very
focused
on
basic
services
just
because
of
our
tax
rate
being
low
and
I
think
we're
starting
to
evolve
and
get
more
into
that
arena
of
social
services.
So
I
just
wanted
to
share
that
and
let's
see
so
we'll
just
stay
in
touch
on
the
public
involvement
aspect
of
all
of
this
and
the
community
surveying
on
the
online
survey
I'll
be
doing.
A
I
should
have
something
some
kind
of
snapshot
to
share
next
time
and
I
think
it's
important,
as
everyone
has
kind
of
alluded
to
to
humanize
pictures
of
the
homeless,
so
I
think
on
the
images
I'm
showing
I'll
make
sure
to
provide
some
background
information
on
the
demographics
of
the
homeless,
folks
we're
seeing
in
our
community
and
then
you
know,
it's
just
show
that
different,
varied
family
makeup
and
and
things
like
that,
so
anyone
I
can't
see
anybody
so
feel
free
to
unmute
and
just
speak.
A
B
A
Let's
see
so
just
a
real
quick
update
on
the
legislation
on
house
bill,
2006
and
3261..
Apparently
3261
is
on
the
governor's
desk,
ready
to
sign.
So
that's
that's
the
one
that
will
provide
super
sighting,
really
ability
for
a
hotel
or
a
motel
to
be
changed
into
a
homeless,
shelter
regardless
of
land
use,
and
so
that
is
moving
along.
A
That's
project
turnkey,
that's
the
one
we
were
hoping
to
get
funding
for,
but
we
didn't
make
the
final
cut,
but
in
redmond
it's
been
funded
the
bethlehem-
and
you
probably
saw
just
yesterday,
I
think-
was
announced
to
be
awarded
funding
for
that
which
is
really
exciting,
and
then
2006
is
basically
what
we
are
we
are
discussing,
so
the
different
types
of
shelters,
managed
camps,
micro
sites,
the
tiny
home
veterans,
village
type
of
concept
would
be
automatically
would
be
able
to
go
in,
it
would
have
to
meet
building
codes,
but
not
land
use.
A
It
would
still
need
adequate
transportation,
access
to
commercial
and
medical
services
and
would
not
pose
an
unreasonable
risk
to
health
and
safety,
so
that
is
moving
along
too.
I
think
it's
it
made
it
out
of
the
senate
committee
and
I
think
it's
it's
moving
along,
so
it
could
be
approved
or
yeah
signed
just
this
week
or
next
week.
Barb
did
you
have
a
question.
H
Thank
you
susanna.
I
thought
that
hb
2006
didn't
change
industrial
zones.
I
thought
industrial
zones
still
were
not
allowing
any
kind
of
housing.
M
For
example,
sort
of
in
it
on
this
parallel
track
is
senate
bill
8,
which
is
an
affordable
housing.
Super
sighting
bill
which
would
at
in
the
current
version,
allow
for
use,
siting
in
industrial
locations.
So
all
of
the
same
sort
of
parameters
are
in
place.
There
has
to
be
transportation,
it
has
to
be
safe.
It
can't
be
in
a
gold
protected
area
like
a
flood
zone.
M
P
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
also
while
bethlehem
was
funded
for
a
turnkey
purchase
in
redmond's
that
those
funds
are
not
completely
extended
and
as
directed
by
council.
I
think
staff
continues
to
try
and
look
for
other
properties
that
may
work
and
be
eligible
for
turnkey
funding,
so
just
wanted
to
clarify
that.
A
Okay,
great
so
moving
on
this
is
where
I
tried
to
provide
a
background
memo.
There's
a
lot.
You
can
write
about
this
that
other
peer
cities
are
doing
so
what
I
put
together
was
based
on
just
a
few
oregon
communities.
I
find
sometimes
it's
it's
helpful
to
look
at
other
places
and
what
they've
done,
but
oregon
has
a
pretty
specific
land
use
system,
as
most
of
you
know,
so
sometimes
it
makes
more
sense
just
to
look
in
our
own
state,
but
there's
certainly
a
lot
of
different
options
out
there
and
really.
A
What
I
wanted
to
do
in
this
next
part
is
drill
down
a
little
bit
into
this
shelter
type,
this
first
column
and
just
get
everybody's
feedback.
We
talked
a
little
bit
about
this
last
time,
but
we
didn't
really
go
super
deep
into
it,
but
just
making
sure
that
when
you
look
at
another
community-
and
you
see
some
cool
project,
do
we
have
the
right
categories
to
allow
that
that
good
project
to
proceed
so
just
starting
to
solidify?
A
Are
these
the
right
categories
that
we've
thought
of
we've
done
some
work
behind
the
scenes
to
kind
of
identify
these
and
try
and
think
about?
Well,
would
this
project
fit
into
this
bucket
or
with
that
project?
So
I'm
just
going
to
go
through
these
in
detail
and
really
our
our
goal.
Kind
of
the
sounding
boards
role
is
to
fill
in
that
table
from
the
memo.
So
it's
the
blue
table
so
do
these
uses
go
in
and
then
there's
all
the
zoning
districts
across
the
top.
A
It's
kind
of
hard
to
show
both
on
the
screen,
but
that's
basically
what
we're
going
to
be
doing
and
then,
as
they
go
into
the
zoning
districts,
are
there
standards
that
we
should
be
looking
at,
like
buffering
fencing,
you
know,
is
there
a
maximum
number
of
beds
that
should
be
allowed
in
a
facility
in
commercial
versus
residential
things
like
that?
Salem
has
done
some
some
work
on
that
which
was
shown
in
the
memo
so
but
the
goal
for
today
is
really
to
identify.
A
Are
these
the
main
buckets
and
then
we'll
work
to
bring
you
back
the
next?
The
next
meeting
the
zoning
districts
and
talk
about
like
what
would
what
would
make
this
okay
in
a
residential
district
as
opposed
to
a
commercial
district
things
like
that,
so
cathy,
your
hand
is
raised.
E
I've
seen
an
excellent
presentation
on
on
this
in
a
parcel
in
portland,
where
it's
permanent
housing
for
the
homeless
in
so
rather
than
short-term
shelter
permanent
facility,
it's
a
permanent
facility,
but
individuals
are
allowed
to
stay
and
in
some
cases
they
pass
away
due
to
health
concerns.
So
they're
there
for
the
rest
of
their
lives,
which
often
isn't
very
long,
but
it
they're
not
forced
to
find
another
spot
to
move
to.
A
E
It
it
would
be
more
like
a
micro
unit
type
of
development,
and
it
would
be
a
permanent
shelter
as
opposed
to
what
you're,
seeing
here.
Okay.
J
Kathy,
if
I
can
tie
into
that
a
little
bit,
and
I'm
probably
the
least
knowledgeable
of
everyone
here,
but
watching
the
presentation
that
fhco
made
to
ahac
last
october,
that
suzanna
included-
I
I
think
one
of
the
things
this
reminds
me
of
is
the
fact
that
this
permanent
type
of
housing
in
some
cases
for
people
with
disabilities
or
other
limitations.
J
It
speaks
to
that
protected
class
aspect.
And
as
I
watched
that
presentation
I
was
curious.
I
think
that
somewhere
in
here,
I
suppose,
fair
housing
and
protected
classes
has
a
place
in
this
conversation,
not
just
in
terms
of
the
types
of
shelters
but
in
terms
of
legal
compliance
and
something
that
we
may
need
to
share
with
the
public
that
we
have.
J
You
know
there
are
guard
rails
to
this
work
that
we
are
doing,
and
there
are
things
that
we
must
do,
and
then
we
have
a
little
bit
of
latitude
on
codes,
but
there
are
many
compliance
issues
we
need
to
consider
as
a
group
and
as
a
community-
and
I
I
just
don't-
have
the
knowledge
to
know
how
they
all
apply.
But
I
think
this
is
one
segway
into
some
of
those
considerations
of
protected
classes:
fair
housing,
goaltend,
disparate
impact,
those
sorts
of
things
that
we
haven't
yet
discussed.
F
Okay,
stacy
in
washington
state
in
king
county.
They
have
permanent
housing
with
time
limited
subsidies,
so
someone
who
would
go
into
housing
would
pay
30
of
their
income,
whether
that's
from
disability,
ssi,
ssdi
and
then
the
subsidy
can
last
two
to
five
years
and
then
but
the
person
could
stay
permanently
in
that
apartment
or
unit.
F
So
the
the
unit,
the
housing
is
permanent,
but
the
subsidy
is
time
limited,
and
I
haven't
seen
many
models
like
that
here,
but
I
know
that's
a
model
that
they
do
use
in
washington
state
and
the
one
caveat
to
that
is
that
case
management
continues
through
that
person's
apartment
or
housing.
So
we
just
are
it's
a
little
different
than
rapid
rehousing.
It
gives
a
person
a
longer
time
to
get
that
stability
in
that
foundation.
A
Okay,
yeah
pauline:
do
you
have
any
ideas
or
elizabeth
or
lynn
on
a
category
that
would
capture
those?
I
guess
it
would
be.
Maybe
a
long
long-term,
long-term
shelter,
type
of
thing,
microsite.
L
Just
from
a
development
code
perspective,
I
guess
I'd
have
to
figure
out
the
difference
between
deciding
an
apartment
complex
somewhere.
We
don't
control
how
that
apartment,
complex
is
run.
So
if
whether
it's
permanent
or
temporary,
within
the
apartment
complex,
as
long
as
it
meets
standards
for
apartment
complex,
I
don't
see
why
they
couldn't
do
it
today,
or
even
a
micro
unit.
L
For
that
matter
there
might
be
some
different
requirements
if
it's
for
the
houseless,
possibly
like
parking
requirements,
but
other
than
that,
I
would
think
they
could
still
do
it
today
under
an
apartment
complex.
P
No,
I
think
that's
right
probably,
and
I
think
where
the
subsidy
comes
in
is
maybe
through
some
other
programs.
The
city
runs
that
lynn
is
connected
to
so
the
affordable
housing
fee
or
cdbg
funds
or
other
types
of
subsidies
that
serve
to
lower
the
operating
cost
for
the
building
owner
or
the
operator
that
allow
them
lower
rents
to
be
charged,
and
those
are
typically
recorded
as
permanent
or
long-term
deed
restrictions
against
the
property
that
require
lower
rents
in
different
configurations,
depending
on
what
the
operator
of
the
building
wanted
to
do.
P
But
for
purposes
of
the
development
code,
which
is
looking
at
the
physical
characteristics
of
the
building.
We
have
the
micro
unit
code,
we
have
multi-family
apartment
building
codes
and
then
how
those
rents
are
operated
is
a
somewhat
separate
question,
I
think,
from
the
development
code.
But
but
there
may
be
opportunity
for
different
types
of
buildings
that
haven't
been
considered
yet.
A
Yeah,
so
we
can,
we
can
kind
of
work
with
that
between
now
and
the
next
meeting
and
come
back
with
another
category.
I
think
I
think
we
could
do
it
and
just
it
would
be
like
in
the
definitions
and
the
standard
would
be.
You
know
the
the
requirement
that
these
types
of
facilities
would
have
a
a
management
piece
to
it
and
a
subsidized
funding
piece.
We
I'm
sure
we
can
work
something
out.
I
think
that's
a
good
idea.
P
One
example
on
susannah
is:
we
do
have
certain
standards
in
the
development
code
for
when
a
particular
project,
whatever
the
type
of
building
is
deed,
restricted
for
affordable
housing.
We
have
a
whole
section
in
the
development
code
about
different
parking
standards.
You
know
just
all
different
standards
that
apply
when
you're
building
is
indeed
restricted
to
a
certain
income
population.
I
Okay,
susannah
speaking
to
that
management
piece,
a
little
more
context
with
what
kathy
was
talking
about
dignity,
village
actually
does
have
on-site
management
too.
The
village
that
she
was
talking
about
that
has
the
ability
to
stay
there
with
no
time
limit
they
partner
with
join,
to
provide
that
case
management
piece.
I
A
Let's
see,
I
don't
see
anyone
else
with
some
questions,
so
why
don't
we
go
through
each
of
these
and
make
sure
that
we're
these
are
definitions
in
draft
that
we
have
come
up
with
and
we
can
go
over
each
each
of
the
type
and
the
definition
to
make
sure
we're
capturing
everything
and
we're
not
being
too
restrictive
in
our
definitions
and
I'll,
take
notes
and
everything
so
the
first,
the
first
type
of
shelter
kind
of
concept
we
were
thinking
of-
is
a
mass
shelter.
A
So
it's
a
large
gathering
space
with
the
sleeping
area
not
separated.
I
guess
this
would
fall
into
the
low
barrier,
shelter
model.
So
you
know
it's
what
we
think
of
when
we
think
of
the
warming,
shelter,
shepherd's
house,
other
mass
shelters
that
have
been
you
know
put
up.
So
it's
a
building
that
contains
one
or
more
sleeping
areas
or
is
divided
by
non-permanent
partitions.
A
A
A
This
looks
good
and
then
we
can
start
working
on
the
next
step
kind
of
sound,
okay,
okay,
so
one
one
thing
about
the
mass
shelter
to
think
of
for
the
next
few
meetings
when
we
talk
about
zoning
districts
and
different
different
things
that
fit
in
zoning
districts
salem-
and
I
put
it
in
the
memo-
did
kind
of
some
limitations
on
the
number
of
beds
by
zoning
district,
and
so
that's
something
we
could
put
in
the
back
of
our
head
for
a
future
meeting
to
start
thinking
about.
A
If
we
wanted
to,
you
know,
allow
larger
ones
in
industrial
things
like
that,
you
know
smaller
beds,
maybe
only
15
or
something
like
that
in
a
residential
area,
to
provide
some
opportunity
for
some
smaller,
just
more
dispersed
accommodations
around
around
the
city.
J
Susannah
does
does
time.
Does
the
element
of
time
have
a
place
here
to
help
better
understand
some
cases?
I
I'm
just
I'm
imagining
that
there
is
a
matrix
here
that
goes
from
short
term
as
little
as
overnight
to
permanent
and
it
goes
from
temporary
or
you
know
from
time
it's
short
term
to
long
term
temporary
to
permanent.
A
Stacy
or
dana
do
you
have
do
you
have
any
input
on
that
on
the
management
of
these?
As
far
as
time.
J
J
If
the
element
of
time
has
a
place
as
we
as
we
look
at
these
many
different
types
of
shelter,
spaces
does
time
have
a
place,
whether
it's
overnight
or
30
days
or
and
I'm
thinking
in
terms
of
some
of
the
pushback
or
the
the
concerns
that
we
heard
in
the
nla
survey,
where
the
idea-
and
this
came
up
those
of
us
that
were
involved
in
the
micro
unit
discussion.
J
There
was
some
concern
that
oh
well,
you
need
to
have
no
subletting
or
no
no
short
term
rentals
or
it
needs
to
be
30
days
or
greater.
So
I
know
that
there's
some
concern
about
the
time
element,
but
also
in
terms
of
as
we
describe
shelters,
I'm
wondering
if
it's
appropriate
to
attach
a
time
element
to
these
different
types
of
shelters
and
if
that
doesn't
have
a
place
in
the
conversation,
then
then
not.
F
So
I'll
give
you
my
opinion:
if
we're
talking
about
a
mass
shelter
type
situation
like
the
warming
shelter,
I
I
don't
see
like
someone
coming
in
and
giving
them
a
week
or
30
days.
I
think
that
we
keep
that
unlimited
time,
but
one
of
the
things
I
think
we've
run
into
personally
with
the
isolation
motel,
is
that
people
that
were
moved
into
the
isolation.
F
Motel
have
now
been
there
eight
to
ten
months,
and
it
is
just
human
nature
that
when
we
know
we
have
eight
or
ten
months
or
an
indefinite
period
of
time,
we
maybe
do
not
address
things,
as
you
know,
kind
of
importantly,
as
we
need
to,
and
that's
both
on
the
side
of
the
guest
and
case
management.
F
F
If
they're,
you
know
three
weeks
away
from
getting
permanent
housing
and
then
there's
triggers
and
all
these
other
things
that
come
in,
so
I
think
it
depends
on
which
shelter
type
that
we're
doing
safe
car
parking
does
not
have
a
limit
right
now
on
timing,
but
we
are
working
daily
with
those
folks.
So
I
I
do
think
mass
shelter,
untimed
personal
opinion.
I
do
think
our
other
settings
do
need
some
time
limits
attached
and
attached
to
goal
plans
which
should
be
co-created
with
our
guests
or
unhoused
community
members.
I
I
echo
everything
that
stacy
has
said.
You
can't
really
put
a
time
restriction
on
wildfire
heat
or
cold.
You
know
you're
just
it's
a
safety
thing,
so
you
know
winter
shelters
no
limit
and
yeah
I
would
have.
I
was
going
to
give
examples
of,
for
instance,
in
kent
and
women's
village.
You
know
we
would
do
case
plans
with
the
residents
and
kind
of
have
benchmarks.
I
You
know
that
we
hope
to
have
this
success
by
this
date
and
this
success
by
this
date
and
then
kind
of
look
at
it
and
where
we
are
and
if
we
extend
or
or
you
know
if
there
needs
to
be
some
some
sort
of
exception
or
yeah.
So
basically,
I
just
want
to
echo
and
agree
that
everything
that
stacy
said.
A
Okay,
great
lynn,
I
was
just
going.
M
To
jump
in
and
say
what
I
just
heard
both
of
these
amazing
folks
say
is
that
that
is
very
much
a
management
decision
and
probably
not
best
for
the
development
code.
So
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
cut
through
and
make
sure.
The
reason
is
that,
as
time
evolves
the
needs
evolve.
You
know
our
housing
market
continues
to
change,
and
so
the
management
of
each
of
these
facilities
is
best
poised
to
make
those
decisions.
What
has
happened
is
even
hud
regulates
the
heck
out
of
all
this
I'll.
M
Tell
you
I'll
tell
you
that,
and
what
has
happened
is
even
hud
has
sort
of
begun
to
retool
some
of
their
parameters
based
on
the
challenges
of
hovid,
of
the
housing
markets
that
we
are
operating
in,
etc,
and
so
keeping
it
in
the
development
code
is
a
pretty.
Although
ben
does
a
lot
of
work
on
our
code,
pretty
stagnant
approach,
I'll,
say
and
doesn't
really
allow
for
the
flexibilities
that
are
sometimes
needed
to
meet
best
practices.
M
So
I
I
would
strongly
encourage
this
group
to
leave
those
decisions
up
to
the
management
of
and
the
operators
of
these
buildings,
not
in
the
development
code
and
I'm
sure
that
each
one
of
them
can
provide
whoever
needs
it
with
the
parameters
for
operating.
And
what
that
looks
like.
A
L
F
Our
high
risk
and
and
those
folks
that
are
covet
positive,
that
the
neighbor
impacted
managing
I'm
doing
case
management
and
I
know
deschutes
county
behavioral
health
is
doing
case
management
out
there
right
now.
B
A
G
I
I
just
had
one
question:
are
we
gonna
there's
food
preparation
in
shower
facilities?
Is
there
any?
Would
we
want
to
include
laundry
facilities
in
that
as
well?.
A
F
B
F
F
I
think
we're
having
so
many
challenges,
finding
land
and
property
to
do
these
shelters.
I
hate
to
restrict
them
too
much
one
of
the
other
models.
I
wish
I
had
more
time
to
do
this.
I
have
seen
shower
trucks,
have
converted
to
do
laundry
where
you
can
do
those
mobile,
so
I
think
keeping
that
maybe
a
little
looser
is
going
to.
A
D
I
was
just
gonna
say:
could
it
say
instead
of
saying
may
or
may
not
just
say,
is
recommended
to
have
access
to
food
shower
laundry
where
I
mean
make
it
a
little
bit.
I
think
those
are
great
components
to
have,
but
I
think
stacy's
right
that
there's
plenty
of
facilities
that
won't
necessarily
have
all
of
those
things
because
they're
an
existing
building
or
whatever
that
might
be.
A
We
could
we
could
put
something
like
that
yeah.
I
agree.
We
want
to
make
it
as
easy
as
possible.
I
mean
I'm
thinking
about
high
school
gyms
and
things
like
that
in
the
summer.
So,
who
knows
maybe
someday
we'd
want
to
do
that
or
a
parks
district
facility,
or
something
like
that.
So
what
do
folks
think
we
could?
We
could
put
something
in
here.
It
is
recommended,
but.
P
Susannah,
if
I
could,
I
think
it
sounds
like
there's
two
elements
that
are
being
talked
about.
One
is
sort
of
what
are
the
standards?
What
would
we
want
required
to
be
include
or
possible
to
be
included
and
what
are
the
basic
elements
of
just
to
define
what
a
math
shelter
is?
And
so
I
think
we
want
to
set
the
standards
in
in
the
code
itself
and
not
the
definition,
but
I
think
all
of
these
you
know
could
be
part
of
the
definition
could
be
standards
depending
on
how
the
discussion
goes.
P
And
then
I
think,
there's
also
the
question,
and
I
think
this
is
a
standards
question
of
what
would
be
required
for
a
temporary
math
shelter.
Maybe
one
that's
cited
at
a
high
school
gym
only
for
a
summer
and
what
would
be
required
at
a
mass
shelter
that's
permanently
located
in
a
particular
location.
So
those
are
two
things
to
keep
in
mind
as
you
think
about
what
is
the
definition
of
a
mass
shelter
and
what
are
the
standards
for
citing
a
math
shelter.
D
J
In
terms
of
standards,
I
would
just
ask
the
experts:
is
there
a
place
in
the
standards
to
talk
about
access
to
transportation?
I
know
that
that's
been
an
issue.
That's
come
up
before
I
is
there
was
that,
would
that
be
dialogue
that
would
be
recommended
if
you
would
be
accessible
to
transportation,
and
I'm
asking
the
the
houseless
experts
here.
F
You
know
one
thing
I
found
when
we
did
when
first
presbyterian
church
did
the
smoke
shelter.
There
wasn't
really
great
access
to
transportation,
so
we
were
easily
able
to
work
with
cet
to
change
that
it's
almost
easier
to
work
with
cet
to
get
to
locations
on
the
bus
route
than
to
find
a
location
on
the
bus
route.
Sometimes
so
you
know,
I
think
that
could
be
a
working
component
and
cet
was
wonderful
in
navigating
that
with
first
press.
F
F
So
I
don't
know
if
that's
more
confusing,
but
I
I
guess
my
point
is
that
working
with
transportation
might
be
the
easiest
way
rather
than
location.
I
would.
D
Say
from-
and
this
is
longer
term
from
a
funding
standpoint-
usually
if
you're
getting
some
type
of
state
or
federal
funding,
there
are
for
this
type
of
housing,
there's
usually
rules
or
points
that
are
scored
better
and
they
include
transportation.
So
I
would
think
the
development
code
wouldn't
have
to
encompass
that
piece.
If
there's
other
modes
of
getting
it.
G
It
seems
like
with
transportation
and
with
shower
facilities
and
food
prep
we're
talking
about
two
different
mass
shelters.
I
mean
there's
mass
shelters
that
arise
because
of
events
that
are
temporary
in
a
gym
or
something
like
that,
and
then
there's
ones
that
are
going
to
be
more
permanent
and
I
feel
like
some
of
the
more
permanent
ones
would
be
nice
to
have.
B
G
I
feel
like
having
the
requirements
of
access
to
transportation
shower
laundry
food.
That
kind
of
thing
seems
like
it
makes
more
sense
there,
but
not
necessarily
not
not
for
the
ones
that
are
because
of
a
natural
disaster,
or
something
like
that.
That
just
needs
to
be
put
up
temporarily.
D
Scott,
I
think
that's
a
great
point.
I
think
me
reading
all
of
the
different
things
I
kept
reading
in
event
of
an
emergency
and
homeless,
so
they
were
like
merged
together.
So
I
was
considering
them
two
different
buckets,
but
I
I
don't
think
it's
spelled
out
that
way,
but
I
think
that
would
be
important.
A
Yeah,
okay,
so
I
think
I
think
the
group
has
kind
of
agreed
that
we
should
probably
take
the
shower
stuff
out
and
put
it
in
a
standards
type
of
thing
instead
and
just
leave
the
definition
definition
basic
and
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
have
like
medford-
has
the
severe
shelter.
A
You
know
concept
that
you
know
they
have
wildfires
and
all
kinds
of
stuff,
but
we
you
know
we
could
have
that
too,
and
usually
that
type
of
stuff
is
allowed
under
an
emergency
declaration
that
the
city
manager
can
make,
which
is
what
he's
used
to
allow
the
winter
warming
shelter,
because
it's
not
allowed
in
our
zoning
code
over
the
past
like
10
years.
So
so
what
we're
doing
and
what
we've
done
actually
is-
is
make
it
allowable
now,
which
is
really
great
without
an
emergency
declaration.
A
So
I
think
maybe
maybe
we
should
have
two
definitions,
one
for
a
severe
or
you
know,
a
severe
event,
shelter
and
one
for
a
permanent
one,
and
talk
about
that.
So
we
can
kind
of
work
with
that
for
next
time.
If
that
sounds
good,
yeah,
okay,
I
can
only
see
like
three
of
you,
so
I'm
like.
Okay,
let's
see
okay,
so
moving
along
the
next
type
of
shelter
type
we
were
envisioning
is
the
outdoor
shelter
site.
So
this
would
be.
A
This
is
from
eric
tobiason's,
the
veterans
village
and,
by
the
way,
they've
got
a
great
website
with
a
flyover
concept
plan
type
thing:
if
you
go
to
the
website,
it's
really
it's
really
cool
so
anyway.
So
it's
the
tiny
home
type
of
thing
that
we've
seen
in
different
places,
but
it
also
includes
the
manage
camp
concept,
so
this
is
from
medford's
manage
camp
when
they
had
the
fires
and
stuff
they
set
up
at
a
managed
urban
campground.
And
now
it's
been
so
successful.
A
It's
actually
moving
towards
these
pallet
shelters
has
everyone's
seen:
pallet,
shelters,
they've,
got
kind
of
a
slick,
marketing
thing
and
they've
got
a
good
product.
That's
being
used
a
lot.
So
so
this
picture
is,
is
you
know
going
in
in
bend
soon,
which
is
really
exciting?
This
is
hope,
village
in
medford,
and
this
is
the
manage
camp
in
medford.
A
This
is
in
santa
clara,
california,
and
what's
interesting
is
that
they've
got
like
the
community
building
is
powered
by
solar,
so
it's
saving
them
like
three
hundred
thousand
a
year
in
utility
bills,
which
is
pretty
cool,
and
I
think
this
is
for
single
single
women
and
families.
Only
so,
but
pallet
shelters
are
are
popping
up
all
over
the
place
and
actually
in
medford
they're
expanding
their
campground
and
replacing
them
with
pallet
shelters,
so
they'll
have
sites
for
120.
A
A
This
would
also
cover
eugene's
microsites
concept,
which
is
there
was
a
picture
of
that
in
the
memo
of
city
of
eugene,
is
a
little
different
than
us
and
they
own
they
they're
under
jurisdiction
for
their
parks
district.
A
So
they
have
a
lot
of
different
land
opportunities
that
we
we
don't
have,
and
so
they've
turned
a
whole
bunch
of
kind
of
mini
parks
and
different
slivers
of
land
into
microsites
that
has
between,
I
think,
12
to
25
folks
sort
of
with
the
the
conestoga
hut
type
things
so
anyway,
this
is
the
outdoor
shelter
site.
Anyone
have
thoughts
on
that
again.
We
we
said
transitional
shelter.
I
don't
know
if
we
need
to
look
at
a
permanent
type.
A
A
G
A
D
D
I've
seen
a
couple
that
then
tie
a
requirement
to
the
having
restroom
facilities.
It
can
be
a
separate
building,
not
within
these
mobile
units.
I
think
that
can
be.
That
could
be
really
important
as
part
of
a
feature
as
these
are
developed.
I
don't
know
that
you
would
want
to
stick
these
out
on
a
lot
somewhere
where
they
didn't
have
those
type
of
resources.
D
Just
from
a
development
standpoint,
you
would
you,
then
they
could
become
more
of
a
you
know:
you're
going
to
put
your
garbage
somewhere
you're
going
to
need
to
go
to
the
restroom
somewhere
and,
if
you're,
providing
the
housing,
and
then
you
don't
provide
any
of
that.
What
is
that
going
to
look
like,
and
I
think
it
would
open
up
the
opportunity
to
place
it
in
more
zones
if
that
was
a
tied
requirement
to
having
this
develop
type
of
development.
A
Yeah,
that
would
be
in
the
standards,
and
we
definitely
would
require
some
sort
of
restroom
yeah
like
either
either
you
know
communal
type
of
thing
or
or
in
each
unit,
but
I
think
providing
it
in
each
unit,
although
it
would
be
nice
we'd,
probably
add
to
the
expense
for
the
developer.
But
oh
100
agree.
A
Even
our
safe
parking
program
requires.
You
know
sanitation
and
hand
washing
stations
because
of
covet
and
stuff
like
that,
so
eric
I
see,
you
raised
your
hand,
go
ahead.
O
I
had
I
got
disconnected
and
reconnected
and
analysts,
so
thank
you
for
re.
Admitting
me
yeah,
so
we
discovered
with
the
building
code
that
you
know
restrooms
are
definitely
a
requirement
for
public
public
health
and
general
sanitation,
and
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
and
we
decided
to
put
individual
restrooms
in
each
of
our
shelters
because
you
know
at
night
time
in
the
winter.
If
you
have
to
use
the
restroom
it's
you
know
it
could
be
hazardous
to
health
to
go
outside
to
a
common
building
or
a
community
area.
O
You
know
generally
with
bad.
You
know
winter
conditions
that
that
was
our
our
concern.
It
did
add
a
ton
of
cost
to
the
project,
but
you
know
we
think
it's
something
for
safety
and
dignity,
and
you
know
basic
health,
so
just
a
vote
to
to
require
restrooms
at
least
on
site,
if
not
in
within
the
units.
A
Yeah
so
elizabeth
or
pauline
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
that
would
that
would
be
not
in
the
definitions
but
the
standards
so
we'll
make
sure
that's
in
the
standards.
C
C
Has
more
knowledge
than
me
what
how
are
managed
camps
in
terms
of
usually
run
in
terms
of
you
know
trash
you
know,
sanitation.
Obviously,
you
know
restrooms.
That
kind
of
thing
doesn't
even
have
any
sort
of
examples
of,
is
it
usually
just
porta,
potties
and
dumpsters,
or
is
it
beyond
that?
Does
anyone
know.
F
I've
seen
several
different
models:
I've
seen
those
that
have
porta
potties
I've
also
seen
it
kind
of
what
I
would
call
like
a
campground
style
where
you
would
have
a
couple
you
know
per
can
per
site,
you'd
have
a
facility
with
bathrooms
and
there's
usually
kind
of
dumpsters
on
site
for
trash
removal,
and
some
really
engage
and
empower
the
guests
to
be
part
of
security
and
clean
up.
I
Sorry
stacy,
I
can
also
add
at
the
kenton
women's
village,
the
first
rendition,
because
it's
now
sec,
it's
been
its
second
stage
since
I've
left,
but
there
were
truck
like
trailers.
What
are
those
things
called
that
were
converted
to
a
kitchen,
and
then
we
had
one
converted
so
that
it
was
plumbed
flushable,
toilets
and
showers
and
also
that
first
location,
we
didn't
have
running
water.
So
we
installed
a
water
tank
that
we
filled.
A
Okay,
great,
so
I
think,
as
far
as
the
type
of
housing
and
the
definition
we're
probably
okay
on
this
on
this
concept,
and
then
we
can
come
back
with
some
standards
and
things
like
that.
D
A
B
You,
the.
D
D
So
I
I
don't
know
necessarily
what
the
better
word
would
be,
but
I
do
think
there's
a
difference
between
the
type
of
construction
that
this
building
is
versus.
The
people
that
are
maybe
using
it.
A
P
So
I
think
I
would
ask
pauline
if
there
are
building
code
standards
for
super
tiny
homes
on
sort
of
micro
units
on
individual
foundations.
I
think
we've
had
this
conversation
internally
with
our
buildings
department
that
there
runs
into
an
issue
with.
Are
there
any
standards
codes
to
apply?
If
you
put
something
on
a
foundation,
whereas
I
think
there
are
codes
that
are
applied
by
other
entities
for
mobile
facilities,
so
I
think
that's
a
question
to
look
into.
P
V
Is
colin,
okay
jump
in
real
quick?
That
really
is
a
question
for
the
building
division
staff
either
joe
or
billy.
I
know
that
they
do
have
some
flexibility
as
the
building
official
to
make
exceptions
to
the
building
code
or
or
adapting
the
building
code
to
meet
certain
things,
but
really
it's
it's.
They
really
need
to
be
in
the
room
for
that
discussion.
A
Okay,
we
can
talk
to
them
and
get
some.
V
Information
for
next
time
during
the
veterans,
village,
initial
discussions
and
so
yeah
go
to
them.
E
Okay,
could
I
add,
I
think
there
are
building
code
issues
and
I
think
eric
found
that
with
the
veterans
village
regarding
foundation
and
the
you
know
it's
and
having
to
have
bathrooms
that
what
they
are
required
to
meet
the
building
code.
So
there
would
need
to
be
some
revisions
or
work
around
for
that.
I
would
just
be
aware
that
there
are
building
code
issues
and
it
I
agree
with
colin.
It
needs
to
be
a
discussion
with
them.
O
Yeah
I
mean
just
to
chime
in
30
seconds.
We,
you
know
we
needed
structural
engineer
to
design.
You
know
a
a
sound,
you
know
home
and
you
can't
do
it.
It
wouldn't
work
with
like
a
conestoga,
hud
or
a
tent.
You
know
that
wouldn't
be
building
building
code,
so
I
think
the
fact
that
you
know
all
these
state
bills
require
the
projects
to
the
shelters
to
meet
building
code.
O
A
Q
M
Paulie,
if
you
want
to
just
call
my
cell,
I
can
hold
it
up.
Also,
that's
a
little
clunky,
but
we'll
get
you
there.
Pauline.
Q
A
That's
weird
because
you
were
on
before,
and
I
don't
know
what
happened:
okay,
okay,
so
anyway,
so
so
it
sounds
like
we've
got
the
basic
nuts
and
bolts
for
this
type
of
this
type
of
housing
or
shelter
type
and
okay,
she's
emailing
me
keep
going
okay
and
we
we
will
come
back
with
some
information
on
the
building
codes
and
things
like
that,
and
we
need
to
make
sure
restrooms
garbage
all
that
sort
of
stuff
yeah.
A
Of
course
it's
in
the
is
in
the
standards
for
sure
so,
okay
going
on
to
the
next
one.
This
is
the
the
hotel
into
a
individual
rooms
for
folks.
So
I
think
we've
already
kind
of
talked
about
this-
that
maybe
we
should
look
at
adding
the
micro
micro
unit
idea
that
isn't
transitional,
but
for
long
term.
E
A
Great
yeah,
okay,
is
are
folks.
Okay,
with
with
with
this
permanent
facility
with
individual
rooms,
pretty
basic.
D
Yes-
and
I
don't
know
that
this
is
the
place,
but
I
do
think
that
they're
within
city
of
bend,
it's
warranted
to
talk
about
density.
D
And
so
I
think
this
one
is
an
opportunity
to
have
a
higher
density
than
maybe
some
of
the
other
ones
and
so
tying
that,
together,
as
far
as
having
you
know,
multi-story
buildings
or
something
like
that
for
individual
rooms
and
short-term
shelters.
A
Okay,
great
and
maybe
varying
density
by
zoning
district
is
that,
where
you're.
D
E
G
Don't
think
you
could
do
this
in
an
rs
zone
even
with
the
stuff
that
we
were
talking
about
with
the
hb
2001.,
and
I
can't
remember
what
the
density
cap
for
micro
units
is.
I
know
it's
not
a
one
for
one,
and
I
was
kind
of
wondering
about
because
you
micro
units
is
mentioned
here
and
and
with
micro
units.
G
They
actually
might
be
a
little
bit
more
restrictive
for
converting
some
of
these,
because
we
have
requirements
for
public
spaces
and
kitchens,
and
things
like
that
that
there
might
need
to
be
some
some
remodeling.
That
would
happen
with
some
of
these.
These
places
to
provide
for
that
that
public
space
and
maybe
having
the
short-term
shelter
it's
a
you-
could
use
micro
units
as
a
starting
off
point
and
and
maybe
have
a
slightly
different
definition
for
for
these
conversion
projects,
especially.
P
If
I
could
one
of
the
one
of
the
ways
of
differentiating
types
of
shelter
across
different
zoning
areas,
we
saw
in
other
cities-
and
I
think
this
was
salem
excuse
me-
is
not
using
the
density
concept
necessarily,
but
using
the
number
of
units
or
number
of
people
served.
So,
for
example,
we
do
have
shelters
in
town
that
are
essentially
just
located
in
what
looks
like
from
the
outside
a
single
family
home
that
currently
exists
in
standard
density,
residential
areas
or
maybe
rm,
I'm
not
sure,
but
so
in
the
standards.
P
For
these
we
could
think
of
larger
scale,
short
term
shelters
like
a
hotel
conversion
and
then
smaller
scale,
short-term
shelters
like
a
residential
home.
It
essentially
functions
as
a
group
home
for
a
particular
group
of
people
who
are
houseless
otherwise.
So
I
think
that
may
be
a
concept
to
consider
as
a
kind
of
not
a
density
necessarily
but
a
size
of
service.
A
Sorry,
I
was
just
going
to
say
and
that's
something
too-
that
will
bring
back
to
the
other
types
of
housing,
because
we
were,
we
were
wondering
too,
like
you
know,
if
you
have
a
city
lot,
what
is
the
reasonable
size
for
the
number
of
units
on
that
lot?
So
we'll
do
some
checking
and
see
about
that.
We
have
don's
house
right
now,
which
is
allowed
under
our
safe
parking
program,
but
it's
it's
five
rvs
and
I
think
they
want
to
add
on,
and
the
site
is
just
too
too
small.
A
So
it
started
us
thinking
about
well,
if
we're
talking
about
the
the
temporary
outside
shelter,
outdoor
shelter
and
the
tiny
home
concept,
what
what
is
the
right
size
and
do
we
need
to
have
standards
for
those
by
zoning
district?
So
sorry,
somebody
else
wanted
to
talk.
A
F
I
just
had
a
quick
question:
is
there
currently
a
code
that
says
how
many
unrelated
adults
or
unrelated
people
you
can
have
in
a
single
family
home?
M
M
I
think
that
that's
the
point
where
we're
starting
to
look
at
that
as
more
of
a
commercial
situation
instead
of
sort
of
a
personal.
If
there's
rentals
going
on
I'll,
have
to
do
a
little
digging
around.
That's
that
I
could
get.
I
could
be
getting
that
100
wrong.
I
think
our
goal
is
to
not
regulate
what
makes
up
a
household
that
gets
really
dangerous,
really
quickly
with
fair
housing
issues,
and
so
I
think
that
that's
what
we
are
trying
to
avoid.
M
So
we
may
have
sort
of
a
business
threshold,
at
which
point
a
certain
number
of
rentals
happening
in
one
place
kind
of
takes
on
a
different
character,
but
that
that
has
a
lot
less
to
do
with
the
development
code,
so
I'll
have
to
I'll
have
to
kind
of
dig
in
a
little
and
see
where
I
can
find
any
info
on
that.
I've
heard
that,
but
I
haven't
seen
it
in
print
for
a
long
time,
so.
D
I
think
we've
found
that
if
it
depends
on
who's
or
who's
running
it
so
like
if
a
shepherd's
house
or
bethlehem
in
was
operating
a
home
as
a
group
home,
then
those
regulations
kick
in
versus
somebody
just
having
access
to
a
home
and
whoever's
within
that
home
can
live
there.
So
I
think
we
see
it
probably
more
when
we're
trying
to
do
bigger
developments
that
we
run
into
that.
A
Yeah,
I
thought
we
had
something
for
a
group
home
for,
like
a
foster
home
is
colin.
I
don't
know
if
he
can
unmute,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
we
have
something
for
that.
What
we
can
find
information
and
bring
it
back
and
barb.
I
saw
you
had
your
hand
raised.
H
I
I
live
next
door
to
a
facility
that
is
run
by
owned
and
operated
by
telecare,
so
I
think
brianna
might
actually
have
figured
it
out.
I
think
that
if
it's
an
external,
some
sort
of
external
running
the
home,
then
it's
five
unrelated
individuals,
but
I
think
you
guys
might
also
be
correct
that
if
it's
just
six
unrelated
individuals
who
all
want
to
live
in
a
house
together,
I
don't
think
the
city
regulates
it.
That
way,
I
understood,
if
that's
what
brianna
was
saying,
I
think
yeah.
I
think
she
figured
it
out
for
us.
D
Yeah-
that
was
what
I
was
saying
and
just
not
to
if
there's
other
comments
on
this,
I
think
it
can
continue,
but
I
did
want
to
say
for
the
short-term
shelter
piece.
I
do
think
that
we
should
differentiate
between
them.
It
doesn't
seem
like
they're
micro
units
this
I
envision
that.
Maybe
these
are
more
for
families
than
individuals
where
micro
units
might
be
could
be
more
for
individual
use
or
just
the
setup
of
them
is
not.
It
might
be
appealing
to
different
types
of
people
that
they
are
serving.
G
Yeah
micro
units
also
have
a
square
footage
that
it
has
to
be
kept
under,
and
some
of
these
units
might
already
be
over
that.
So
so
I
again,
I
think
my
green
is
a
great
starting
out
point
for
looking
at
this
type
of
facility.
I
just
don't
think
it
should
be.
I
don't
think
you
should
put
refer
to
micro
unit
standards
or
whatever,
for
it.
A
Yeah
that
makes
sense:
okay,
okay,
so
we'll
work
on
the
idea
of
this
being
not
only
a
a
temporary
type
type
shelter
but
a
longer-term
facility,
but
maybe
not
so
much
like
the
micro
unit
concept,
because
it
would
be
too
restrictive.
A
J
J
What
short
term
means
I
don't
know
if
that's
less
than
30
days,
I
don't
know
the
time
frame,
I'm
all
for
for
understanding
the
metric,
but
thinking
about
a
code
that
we're
going
to
recommend
or
code
changes,
we're
going
to
recommend
I'm
wondering
where
does
time
frame
work
into
these
codes,
and
maybe
they
don't
but
I'd
hate
to
see
us
start
going
down
the
path
of
breaking
things
down
into
short
term
long
term
and
defining
it
only
to
find
out
that
we
make.
J
We
recommend
a
change
that
actually
runs
into
something
that
can't
be
implemented
legally
or
conceptually.
I'm
not
expressing
myself
very
well,
I'm
afraid.
But
I
I
guess
the
first
question
is
what
is
short
term,
and
can
we
define
that
and
can
it
be
a
standard
in
a
in
a
bin
code
for
this
type
of
shelter,
yeah.
E
B
E
D
Know
or
maybe
there's
no
time
associated
with
it.
Maybe
it
is
just
a
like
a
I
don't
know
individual
unit
shelter.
I
don't.
I
don't
know
what
the
right
word
is,
but
it's
not
dictating
time.
It's
dictating
the
type
of
shelter
that
it
is.
P
D
G
We
just
call
it
a
shelter,
I
mean,
I
guess,
maybe
I'm
confused.
I
don't
know
about
the
management
piece
of
this,
but
is
there
something
that
restricts
how
long
people
can
stay
in
these
beyond
development
code?
G
A
Probably
the
management,
the
management
parameters
of
the
organization-
that's
managing
it.
G
Because
it
seems
like
if
we
call
it
even
if
we
say
permanent,
shelter
or
permanent
facility
or
permanent
building
for
short-term
shelter,
then
we're
kind
of
implying
that
it's
that
we're
kind
of
implying
that
it's
for
a
certain
period
of
time.
When
maybe
that
we
don't
even
need
to
have
that
conversation
or
we
could
just
take
it
out.
D
Maybe
you
could
look
at
it
like
like
how
the
residential
component
is
so
there's
like
multi-family
housing,
there's
short-term
housing
and
it
defines
like
less
than
I
don't
remember
what
exactly
what
it
is,
but
less
than
three
months
more
than
three
months,
and
it
dictates
the
code
standards
from
there.
So
maybe
there's
just
an
overarching,
shelter
or
you
know,
housing
that
then
gets
sub
categorized
into
short-term
long-term
micro-units
from
there.
G
G
Is
there
some
sort
of
legal
definition
outside
development
code
that
would
restrict
or
or
control
time.
I
I
don't
know
if
I
have
the
answer
about
time,
but
I
was
just
listening
and
I
was
gonna
mention
that
I
have
managed
emergency
shelters
and
typically
the
place
I
was
employed
was
transition
projects.
It
was
emergency
shelter
if
it
was
in
the
unfortunate
position
of
not
having
like
a
case
management,
and
it
was
literally
a
place
where
we
were
giving
people
protection
from
the
elements
in
a
place
to
keep
their
things.
B
A
Well,
these
are
all
good
points,
so
why
don't
we
do
some
thinking
about
I'll
get
with
pauline
and
elizabeth
and
think
about
some
ideas
for
what
what
this
type
of
thing
is
called
and
whether
we
need
to
identify
the
temporary
the
permanent.
I
agree.
It
gets
confusing
when
you're
talking
about
the
permanent
structure
for
temporary
housing
or
something
yeah,
okay,
okay,
so
good
input
on
that
one
and
just
a
time
check.
A
We've
got
15
more
minutes
or
12
more
minutes
or
something
so,
and
we've
got
one
more
just
type
of
transitional
housing
and
that's
a
pretty
basic
one.
It's
rvs
as
an
ancillary
used
to
a
single-family
dwelling,
and
we
have
an
allowance
right
now
with
our
wildfire
emergency
code
for
a
person
to
be
able
to
provide
an
a
place
for
a
relative
to
stay
in
their
driveway
in
an
rv,
and
then
we
also
have
the
medical
hardship
emergency.
Where,
with
a
doctor's
notice,
you
can
have
the
same
allowance.
A
But
this
comes
up
a
lot.
It's
causes
quite
a
bit
of
angst
in
some
neighborhoods,
but
it
is
a
type
of
potential
use.
Eugene
is
implementing
it.
Portland
is
implementing
it
too,
although
they're
taking
some
grief
about
it
that
they're
relying
on
it
too
much
to
solve
their
their
houselessness
issues,
but
it's
just
another
another
tool
in
the
toolbox
for
property
owners
to
use
to
house
either
a
relative.
It
doesn't
even
need
to
be
a
relative.
A
P
What
we
have
right
now
is
called
medical
hardship,
housing,
and
I
think
the
question
is
how,
if
at
all,
do
you
want
to
expand
or
change
or
add
another
type
of
use
and
right
now,
medical
hardship?
Housing
is
limited
to
a
family
member
who
has
medical
reason
that
they
need
to
live
on
site
with
other
family
members,
and
it
can
only
be
a
manufactured
dwelling
or
home.
It
cannot
be
an
rv.
So
I
think
the
question
is:
is
there
something
else.
P
Nothing
in
the
bend,
development
or
code
would
supersede
ccnr's.
G
Now
I
I
know
with
hp
2001
there
was
a
conversation
about
any
any
ccnr's
that
were
implemented
before
house
bill.
2001
was
enacted
that
that
that
the
2000
that
the
hoa
can
can
say
no,
you
can't
build
this
way,
but
but
doesn't
with
hp
2001.
Doesn't
that
prevent
future
ccnr's
from
restricting
that
type
of
development?
And
maybe
that's
something
we
can
put
in
here,
because
I
know
I
don't.
G
I
don't
think
they
allow
rvs
in
my
neighborhood,
but
if
we
have
something
in
there
to
make
it
so
that
future
hoas
aren't
able
to
restrict
them,
it
could
be
important.
P
So
that's
right,
scott,
I
think
there's
a
couple
approaches
the
legislature
has
taken
they
actually,
so
racial
covenants
were
overridden
by
the
supreme
court.
Those
are
not
enforceable
to
the
extent
they
exist
in
ccnr's.
The
oregon
legislature
has
passed
legislation
to
override
certain
watering
requirements.
If
there's
a
climate,
emergency
or
a
drought,
I
think
there's
also
consideration
of
overriding
prohibitions
on
family
child
care
homes,
for
example.
So
it
is
an
element
that
I
think
the
legislature
has
looked
at.
P
How
and
when
would
with
the
legislature
in
a
statewide
level
override
certain
ccnrs,
but
it
wouldn't
be,
and
then
that
would
apply
in
some
instances
they've
made
those
restrictions
apply
to
ccnrs
that
are
adopted
or
amended
after
the
adoption
of
the
statewide
legislation.
So
that's
how
the
statewide
legislature
has
approached
ccnr's.
E
E
So
I
thought
we
were
doing
something
a
little
different
with
our
parking,
our
emergency
parking.
That
was
allowing
the
use
of
the
rvs.
I
don't
know
elizabeth.
Could
you
explain
that?
Yes,.
P
So
council
just
adopted
what
we
call
a
safe
parking
program
which
is
not
in
the
development
code
and
it's
not
a
land
use
decision
or
anything
that
would
be
permanently
allowed
on
any
property,
but
it
would
be
a
programmatic
use
allowed
if
a
property
owner
or
lessee
applied,
and
so
what
that
does
is
allow
a
property
owner
to
say.
P
I'm
going
to
allow
overnight
parking
for
up
to
three
vehicles
on
most
non-residential
properties
throughout
the
city
or
apply
for
approval
from
the
city
for
up
to
six
vehicles
or
cars
on
private
property,
and
the
difference
in
between
a
program
allowed
under
the
municipal
code
and
development
allowed
under
the
development
code
is
somewhat
nuanced.
But
the
development
code
would
require
a
land
use
application
and
then
would
be
sort
of
a
permanent
approval
for
a
certain
use,
whereas
under
the
municipal
code,
it's
a
limited
duration.
P
E
P
So
the
code
is
permanent
and
the
application
from
the
property
owner
or
the
lefty
would
be
annual
for
the
fixed
vehicles.
The
transitional
overnight
parking
and
the
allowance
of
up
to
three
vehicles
for
overnight
camping
is
also
a
permanent
part
of
the
code,
and
no
application
to
the
city
is
required.
A
So
the
the
difference
with
what
what
I
the
rv
on
as
an
ancillary
use,
is
that
it
it's
not
it's
like
anybody.
You
could
do
it.
I
guess,
unless
your
ccr's
prevented
it,
you
know
you
could
you
could
provide
a
space
for
somebody,
whereas
a
safe
parking
program
is
related
to
a
non-profit
or
entity
to
provide
case
management.
F
So
reach
is
providing
safe
car
parking
at
nativity,
lutheran
church
we've
been
there
since
november
and
we
can
have
up
to
six
vehicles.
We
have
a
porta
potty,
a
hand
washing
station
and
then
six
days
a
week
we
have
case
management
that
goes
out
and
it's
been
really
successful.
It's
not
very
expensive
to
run,
and
we
have
so
far
out
of
the
seven
vehicles
that
have
been
there.
F
Four
have
transitioned
into
permanent
housing
and
we've
got
a
new,
a
new
group
of
folks
in
there
and
that's
because
of
the
the
daily
case,
management
and
the
collaboration
with
other
social
service
agencies,
we're
not
doing
it
on
our
own.
So
it's
a
great
program,
our
our
biggest
barriers.
We
have
not
been
able
to
find
other
churches
due
to
insurance
and
a
number
of
other
things,
so
we're
working
on
it
and
the
city
has
been
really
helpful
and
instrumental
in
helping
support
this
program.
D
That's
great,
that's
yeah!
That
is
great.
I
have
a
question
on
the
rv
as
an
insi
and
slurry
use.
So
I
think
one
of
the
benefits
would
be
that
obviously
a
lot
of
people
could
participate
and
you
could
provide
a
lot
of
housing.
D
A
Yeah,
that
is
definitely
you,
know
an
issue
and
it
would
take
a
lot
of
resources
from
our
code
enforcement
department.
I
think
to
keep
up
on
this,
which
would
you
know
it
has
an
implication
for
staffing
and
everything
so
sure
it's
something
we
could
come
back
to.
It
definitely
is
probably
one
of
the
most
the
more
one
of
a
more
controversial.
A
You
know
options
for
folks,
so
yeah
we
could.
We
could
do
some
research
specifically
on
this,
and
I
you
know,
I
think,
if
someone
was
to
apply
for
it,
it
would
probably
be
similar
to
the
medical
hardship.
Type
of
application.
They'd
probably
have
to
renew
it
annually,
and
you
know
verify
that
it
was
for
a
relative
that
needed
help
and
not
as
a
short-term
rental.
So
yeah,
I
don't
know
if
colin
or
pauline,
if
she
can
speak,
has
anything
else
to
add
on
that.
A
So
I
think
just
because
we
have
just
four
more
minutes
left.
I
think
we've
made
it
through
most
of
the
types
of
shelters.
So
the
next
meeting
we're
gonna
begin
to
make
recommendations
for
standards
in
each
district
by
type
of
shelter.
A
A
Can't
seem
to
stop
sharing
because
I
have
a
box
on
top
of
my
share
there.
We
go
okay
hi,
so
it
seems
like
we
have
pretty
good
agreement
on
the
first
couple:
types
of
housing,
the
mass
shelter
the
outdoor
sites
and,
let's
see
the
the
short-term
shelter.
Although
we're
gonna
look
at
something
different
to
call
it
to
not
imply
that
it
has
to
be
short-term
with
a
bunch
of
caveats,
so
I'll
I'll
get
notes
back
to
everybody
to
make
sure
we're
on
the
right
track.
Does
that
sound?
Okay?
A
E
Yeah,
would
you
mind
forwarding
to
everybody
the
link
that
I
gave
to
you
for
the.
A
A
A
You
bet
oh
yeah,
and
I
think
I'm
going
to
start
a
team's
page
or
something
like
that
where
you
guys
can
post
stuff
and
have
access
to
it,
so
everybody
can
do
that.
Is
there
anything
else
megan
before
we
adjourn
no.
A
Thank
you.
Do
we
have
a
minute
to
hear
from
folks
again
yeah,
okay,
luke,
I'm
gonna
unmute,
you,
okay,
go
ahead.
S
Thank
you
and
I
definitely
appreciate
what
happened
today.
I
do
think
that
all
of
this
is
gonna
be
great
in
the
long
run,
but
there
are
actively
things
that
could
be
happening
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
That
would
help
change
the
perception
of
the
greater
community
versus
the
house's
population,
including
just
basic
trash
pickup.
S
That's
something
that
grassroots
mutual
aid
orgs
are
doing
at
the
moment
right
now
and
we
are
having
a
struggle
continuing
to
make
that
happen
just
based
on
funding
and
the
funding
is
not
too
much
and
that's
something
that
would
immediately
just
change
at
least
one
aspect
of
what
people
are
complaining
about,
that
these
camps
are
an
eyesore
as
soon
as
the
trash
gets
picked
up,
they
look
100
times
better.
So
the
fact
that
that's
not
being
brought
up
in
the
second
meeting
now
is
pretty
annoying
honestly.
A
Okay,
thanks
see
if
we
can
do
something
about
that:
okay
and
mike
I'm
gonna
unmute,
you,
okay,
go
ahead
mike.
D
T
Okay,
yeah,
so
kind
of
like
luke
did
I'd
like
to
just
briefly
go
back
to
one
of
your
first
top
topics
that
being
public
perception
and
houselessness,
and
about
the
desire
to
do
some
public
relations
work
around
changing
that
narrative
in
particular,
there
seems
to
be
this
mythology
around
the
idea.
Maybe
you've
heard
it
before.
If
you
build
it,
they
will
come
this
idea
that
more
services
will
attract
more
houseless
people,
they'll
commit
more
crimes,
they'll
do
more
drugs,
etcetera,
etcetera.
T
As
scott
winters
mentioned,
this
idea
was
repeated
many
times
by
ben
police
officers
and
the
document
that
peacekeepers
just
received
as
part
of
a
public
records
request.
So
to
that
point
I
want
to,
I
want
to
tell
a
story
about
one
human
being.
My
friend
in
my
own
work
as
a
you
know,
doing
volunteer
outreach
work.
I've
made
a
good
friend
who's,
given
me
permission
to
talk
about
this
he's
been
houseless
for
many
years
and
during
that
time
he
struggled
with
addiction.
T
When
we
first
met
him,
he
was
skeptical
of
even
talking
to
us
at
all,
but
over
time
we
brought
him
food
and
clothing
and
showers,
and
you
know
the
regular
trash
collection
services
that
that
luke
was
just
talking
about
and
after
john
riggs
bought
his
garbage
truck.
My
friend
called
me
and
told
me
about
a
decision
he
had
made
because
of
the
services
that
he
had
been
receiving
from
these
volunteers.
T
He
said
he
felt
loved
and
seen
for
the
first
time
in
as
long
as
he
could
remember,
and
so
that
inspired
him
to
actually
leave
town
he's
not
in
bend
now
he
found
a
safe
place
to
go
to
and
try
to
avoid
the
temptation
of
drugs
and
alcohol
and
right
now
he
calls
me
every
day,
as
of
today,
he's
been
sober
for
either
10
or
11
days.
He
doesn't
know
if
he
can
keep
it
up,
but
he's
trying
really
really
hard.
T
So
quite
the
opposite
of
this
mythology
of,
if
you
build
it,
they
will
come.
This
is
the
story
of
a
human
built
being
who
felt
like
somebody
in
the
world
loves
him
and
sees
him,
so
he
actually
left.
He
actually
left
ben
and
he's
and
he's
working
really
hard
to
make
a
change
in
his
life,
and
so
the
answer
is
just
always
more
love,
it's
always
more
compassion,
it's
always
more
dignity,
and
so,
if
we
can
create,
if
we
can,
let
people
know
stories
like
that.