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City Council Community Building Subcommittee Meeting - June 11, 2021
A
Yeah,
why
don't
we
go
ahead
and
start
that
I'll
go
ahead
and
share
my
screen
and
counselor
perkins
is
on
the
sounding
board:
she's
our
counselor
liaison
along
with
barb
campbell.
The
sounding
board
is
a
city
manager
appointed
committee.
So
it's
a
little
bit
different
than
our
our
regular
citizen
involvement
committees.
A
So
megan
I'll
go
ahead
and
share
my
screen
and
the
folks
on
the
call
also
who
are
on
the
sounding
board.
Let's
see,
kathy
austin
represents
ahack
and
she's
on
the
call
and
she's
going
to
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
the
process.
We
we're.
We
have
a
few
things.
We
want
to
talk
to
you
about
that.
We're
sort
of
needing
a
little
bit
of
guidance
from
council
on
scott
winters
is
on
the
sounding
board.
A
C
All
right
sounds
good,
so
yeah
the
sounding
board
was
formed
in
march
and
met
first
in
april.
It
was
basically
formed
to
address
sort
of
what
long-term
solutions
that
the
city
of
ben
could
be.
You
know
putting
forward
to
address
our
our
houseless
neighbors.
You
can
see
here
on
the
sort
of
continuum
that
this
group
is
specifically
tasked
with
the
shelter
and
camp
part
of
the
you
know.
Full
city
of
ben's
response
to
people
experiencing
homelessness
in
the
next
slide.
C
So
this
is
who
is
on
the
sounding
board?
You
can
really
see.
I
want
to
kind
of
go
over
each
each
person,
because
you
can
really
see
the
diversity
of
this
group.
One
of
the
things
that
this
this
doesn't
show,
though,
is
how
many
city
staff
aren't
mentioned
here,
who
have
been
doing
some
amazing
work
for
this
group.
I,
as
a
city
councilor,
I'm
on
this
group,
barb
campbell,
is
also
on
this
group
as
a
city
councilor,
we
have
scott
winters.
Here
is
the
planning
commission
representative.
C
C
You
know,
because
of
because
of
this
group
we
really
have
robust
discussions
and
a
really
really
really
large
knowledge
base
and
really
work
hard
to
come
to
consensus
with
sort
of
this
very
dense
work
of
amending
code
language,
and
we
also
have
public
comment
at
each
meeting-
and
I
just
wanted
to
take
a
moment
to
thank
susanna
for
being
such
a
wonderful
leader
of
this
group
and
putting
it
together.
So
quickly
and
working
with
other
staff
to
produce
so
much
work
product
for
us
to
review
every
couple
of
weeks.
D
C
City
manager
to
amend
the
bend
development
code
to
allow
varying
types
of
shelter
city-wide,
in
other
words,
sort
of
how
can
we
take
away
any
barriers
to
moving
forward
quickly
with
a
variety
of
shelter
types
in
order
to
meet
our
council
goal
of
providing
shelter
for
500
of
our
neighbors
in
the
next
two
years?
We
have
had
five
meetings
since
april,
a
very
aggressive
schedule
and
we
hope
to
have
sorry.
My
screen
just
went
do
something
funny.
We
hope
to
have
a
package
of
amendments
to
the
planning
commission
later
this
summer.
C
Can
we
go
to
the
next
slide
here?
You
can
kind
of
see
what
the
meeting
topics
have
generally
consisted
of.
Basically,
all
meetings
after
the
first
meeting
have
been
very
involved
and
really
like
into
the
nitty
gritty
everything
from
sort
of
what
is
the
definition
of
shelter
types
to
zoning,
to
specific
needs
for
our
city
to
sort
of
what
each
type
of
shelter
must
provide.
C
C
So
this
is
why
we're
doing
this?
Basically,
the
bend
development
codes,
a
lot
of
shelters
only
in
temporary
use
and
all
in
certain
zoning
districts,
campgrounds
are
only
allowed
in
two
commercial
zoning
districts,
and
you
know
the
sounding
boards
work
will
really
recommend
amendments
to
allow
you
know
types
of
shelter,
citywide.
I'd
also
like
to
add
that
you
know
recent
legislation
making
it
easier
to
cite
shelters
has
an
expiration
date,
and
so
this
group
is
really
planning
for
the
future.
C
A
A
But
and
a
lot
of
other
folks
as
well,
so
one
of
the
things
the
sounding
board
has
come
up
with
is
basically
looking
at
three
different
types
of
shelter
types
or
buckets,
that
sort
of
a
whole
bunch
of
different
concepts
for
housing
or
shelter
can
fit
under.
So
we've
come
up
with
three
definitions:
basically
with
a
overall
umbrella
definition
for
a
shelter,
so
a
shelter
means
a
location
for
overnight
accommodation,
black
permanent
housing.
A
shelter
may
be
permanent
or
temporary
and
is
either
sorry
my
box.
A
Is
it
in
front
of
people
or
is
in
front
of
the
text
and
is
either
an
outdoor
shelter,
a
group,
shelter
or
a
multi-room
shelter.
So
a
group
shelter
means
a
building
that
contains
one
or
more
sleeping
areas
or
is
divided
by
non-permanent
partitions,
furnished
with
cots
floor
mats
bunks
for
use
of
the
shelter.
So
that's
what
you'd
think
of
as
shepherd's
house
or
the
new
low
barrier,
shelter
that
we
just
opened,
or
formerly
our
our
winter
warming,
shelter,
which
will
hopefully
be
you
know,
on
run
on
a
permanent
basis.
A
It
can
house
a
variety
of
families,
single
people,
different
types
of
folks,
and
but
the
main
thing
is
that
it's
separate
rooms
and
so
also
project
turnkey,
which
the
state
has
funding
for,
would
fall
under
under
this
bucket,
the
multi-room,
shelter
and
then
outdoor
shelter
means
a
site
on
which
multiple
mobile
or
permanent
units
are
placed
for
use
as
a
shelter.
So
that
would
be
the
veterans,
village
and
we've
got
some
examples,
we'll
hi
john
yay
glad
you're
on.
A
So
we've
got
some
examples
locally
that
we'll
go
through
as
well,
so
those
are
the
three
primary
buckets
and
the
sounding
board
has
agreed
to
these
definitions,
just
at
our
last
meeting,
which
was
on
wednesday.
So
it
takes
a
long
time
to
make
make
sausage
in
this
virtual
environment.
So
we,
I
think
we
have
the
definitions,
pretty
well
solidified.
So
again
examples
shepard's
house
has
30
beds,
our
low
barrier,
shelter
has
70.
multi-room
shelters.
A
Just
to
give
you
a
sense
of
size,
bethlehem
in
has
148
with
varying
room
sizes
and
then
the
redmond
project.
Turnkey
project
is
25
rooms.
Other
project,
turnkey,
examples
and
examples.
We're
looking
at
throughout
the
city
are
between
like
30
and
60.,
and
then
the
outdoor
shelter
examples.
We've
got
veterans,
village,
which
is
15
sites,
st
vincent
de
paul's
micro
village
center,
which
is
10
sites
with
a
community
building
and
a
single
family
residence
and
then
just
in
southern
oregon.
A
There's
a
non-profit
called
rogue
retreat
and
they
have
been
developing
with
the
city
of
medford,
an
urban
campground
with
120
sites
and
I'll
show
you
a
picture
of
that
in
a
sec.
But
you
can
see
that
there's
sort
of
like
these
varying
needs
of
different
people
that
are
experiencing
houselessness,
and
we
feel
like
these
three
categories.
Kind
of
captures,
the
needs
of
most
people,
and
we
looked
at
what
other
cities
have
done
too
and
feel
like.
This
is
reflective.
E
A
One
thing
we
haven't
talked
about
yet,
with
the
sounding
board:
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
it,
but
the
idea
of
of
private
residences,
so
in
single
family
zones
being
able
to
house
somebody
like
in
their
driveway
and
or
behind
their
house
or
whatever
in
an
rv.
So
we've
got
that
provision
right
now
in
our
wildfire,
rv
ordinance
and
that
I
think
that
will
actually
go
away
when
the
covet
emergency
order
goes
away
at
the
end
of
the
month.
So
we
should
maybe
think
about
that
john.
A
I
hadn't
really
thought
about
that
until
now,
but
but
we're
looking
at
allowing
those
in
residential
zones,
it's
kind
of
an
another
option
for
folks,
because
a
lot
of
homeless
people
who
are
experiencing
houselessness
might
just
need
a
safe
place
to
stay
they're,
not
comfortable,
going
to
a
shelter.
They
maybe
have
a
relative
who
can
provide
them
with
a
rv
or
a
place
to
stay
for
a
few
months,
and
it
could
be
something
that
is
really
valuable.
A
So,
just
in
terms
of
the
outdoor
shelter
concept
locally,
we've
got
the
veterans
village,
so
this
is
developed
by
the
bend,
heroes,
foundation
and
central
oregon
veterans
outreach.
This
was
their
initial
site
plan,
so
it
actually
was
scaled
back
a
little
bit,
but
they've
got
15
units
parking
spaces.
A
Here,
they've
got
a
about
a
2500
square
foot
community
facility
will,
where
they'll
have
laundry
each
individual
unit
here
actually
has
bathrooms,
but
a
lot
of
the
models
we
we
are
evaluating
have
the
bathroom
in
the
community
building,
and
this
is
about
an
acre
acre
site
a
little
over
an
acre.
So
you
can
see
just
how
the
footprint
and
the
number
of
units
and
everything
can
kind
of
fit
on
the
property,
and
then
oh,
this
is
veterans
village
as
well
from
their
website,
and
these
were
this.
A
This
is
actually
saint
vincent's,
depaul's
micro
unit
development,
so
you
can
see,
there's
10
kind
of
tiny
cabins.
They've
actually
got
a
single
family
residence
here,
that'll
house,
a
family
and
then
also
a
community
facility.
Here
that
will
they
have
showers
and
restrooms,
and
things
like
that
in
there,
so
they're
they're
got
sort
of
like
three
different
models
on
or
two
different
models,
basically
on
this
site-
and
this
is
a
fairly
small
site.
A
The
legislature
offered,
I
think,
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
which
is
called
4212.
house
bill.
4212
lynn
mcconnell
managed
these
approvals
and
it
was
a
super
sighting
bill,
and
so
these
came
in
kind
of
under
a
fast
track
allowance,
but
what
our
outdoor
shelter
sort
of
bucket
of
housing
types
would
allow
these
would
be
allowed
in
the
city
and
in
different
zoning
districts,
and
so
that's
what
the
sounding
board
is
really
working
on
this
shelter.
This
is
just
an
example
from
a
place
in
california.
A
These
are
called
pallet,
shelters,
they're
kind
of
popping
up
everywhere.
It's
totally
run
by
solar.
It's
a
really
amazing
project.
It's
for
women
and
children,
and
then
this
is
this
photo
is
of
the
rogue
retreat
in
medford
the
urban
campground,
so
they've
got
120
sites
like
this
and
I
think
they're
looking
at
funding
to
get
some
of
the
pallet
shelters.
For
some
of
these.
A
And
then
locally
bethlehem
inn
the
project
turnkey.
This
is
the
motel
in
redmond
that
will
be
converted
and
we
can
also
have
you
know
smaller,
less
kind
of
institutional
or
you
know
more
more
oops
home
type
type
developments
that
would
match
this
individual
room
shelter.
We
have
residential
care
facilities,
kind
of
tucked
away
throughout
town.
You
wouldn't
know
that
they
are
a
residential
care
facility,
but
they
are
in
there.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
we
are
looking
at
these
smaller
options
that
might
fit
into
different
residential
districts
as
well.
A
If
you're
going
to
have
a
waiting
intake
area
that
it
be
large
enough
to
accommodate
the
anticipated
number
of
clients
and
then
co-locations,
so
you
could
have
kind
of
like
the
saint
vincent
de
paul
model.
They've
got
the
single-family
residents
that
would
probably
qualify
under
that
multi-room
shelter,
but
they've
also
got
the
tiny,
tiny
homes
that
would
qualify
under
a
outdoor
shelter.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
co-location
of
different
shelter
types
is
allowed
if
the
site
is
large
enough
to
accommodate
that,
and
then
any
shelter
needs
to
meet
all
building
codes.
A
Fire
codes,
things
like
that
so
shelters
may
provide
meals
and
dining
clothing
and
laundry
facilities,
showers,
daycare
facilities,
case
management
services
and
referral
services
overnight
and
daytime
accommodations,
the
low
barrier
shelter.
You
know
it's
only
for
overnight,
so
some
shelters
may
want
to
provide
a
shelter
during
the
day
for
folks.
So
we
don't
want
to
limit
what
they
can
do,
but
we
wanted
to
list
out
some
things
that
may
be
included
so
so
adjoining
neighbors
are
aware
that
these
things
are
allowable.
A
A
So
coming
back
now
that
we've
kind
of
given
you
an
overview
of
what
type
of
shelters
we're
looking
at.
We
wanted
to
come
back
to
this
process
about
notification
and
type
of
processing
type
of
type
of
process
to
use
when
reviewing
these
types
of
shelters.
So
I'm
going
to
go
back
and
cassie.
If
you
want
to
you
want
to
talk
about
this.
F
G
I'm
here
great
good,
okay,
so
the
the
main
differences,
I
think,
between
a
type
1
and
a
type
2,
is
the
notification
process.
So
for
a
type
1,
there
is
no
notification
process
and
a
type
2.
There
is
a
notification
process
to
the
neighbors
of
the
proposed
project.
Another
difference
between
a
type
1
and
type
2
is
that
a
type
1
is
there
is
no
discretion
allowed
in
that
decision.
So,
whatever
standards
that
get
adopted,
they
have
to
be
very
clear
and
objective,
whereas
a
type
2
decision
does
allow
some
discretionary
in
the
decision.
F
Right
and
so
in
our
group,
we've
had
people
who
feel
strongly.
It
should
be
type
one,
and
we
have
people
who
feel
strongly.
It
should
be
type
two,
and
I
think,
I'm
speaking
because
I
can
see
both
sides
and
wanted
to
kind
of
explain
why
we're
not
all
in
agreement
just
yet
and
as
hans
wanted
me
to
make
mention
with
the
type
2.
There
is
a
notification
of
the
neighbors
and
it
goes
through
a
more
typical
process,
but
it
also
can
be
appealed.
F
Type
1
is
favored
by
the
folks
that
have
done
the
veterans,
village,
that's
kind
of
that's
what
they
did
and
it
was
very
quick
and
it's
certain.
This
is
what
you're
going
to
do.
It
gets
approved
and
you
move
forward.
So
I
think
there
would
be
a
shorter
time
frame
for
type
one,
but
it
isn't
very
flexible.
There's
no
ability
for
staff
to
look
at
it,
sort
of
a
creative
approach
that
it
has
to
be
very
clear
and
boom.
F
And
so
I
can
see
that,
on
the
one
hand,
the
type
2
would
be
more
creative
or
have
the
option
to
be
more
creative,
but
it
also
has
the
ability
to
have
been
to
be
to
upset
neighbors
and
to
be
appealed,
whereas
type
one
might
not
allow
the
creativity,
but
it's
shorter
and
more
definite.
The
only
appeal
could
be
from
the
applicant.
So
those
are
the
two
sides
that
we're
looking
at
and
we
were
hoping
that
we
might
get
some
feedback
from
the
counselors
here
if
they
have
specific
thoughts
on
that.
F
B
I
just
didn't
know
if
there
was
anything
else
that
needed
to
be
presented.
Has
this
just
popped
in
my
head
when
you
were
talking,
has
any
thought
been
given
to,
and
I
want
to
preface
this
by
saying-
I'm
not
in
favor
of
complicating
the
code,
because
I
want
it
to
be
easy
to
understand
and
to
use,
but
is
there
any
thought
on?
B
Is
that
something
we
could
think
about,
or
should
we
or
would
it
be
better?
I
think
it
probably
would
be
better
to
just
pick
a
type,
but
I
could
see
maybe
like
this
type
of
shelter
is,
is
less
impactful
and
really
we
want
to
just
get
it
done
in
a
clear
and
objective
way.
This
type
of
shelter
is
bigger,
more
complicated.
Maybe
they
want
like
kathy.
You
said
a
little
flexibility
to
move
around
and
also
maybe
it's
more
important
for
the
neighborhood
to
have
notice
of
that.
F
Mm-Hmm
yeah,
I
don't
know
I'd,
have
to
check
in
with
pauline
on
that
and
how
staff
would
accept
it.
Perhaps
the
applicant
could
choose
one
or
the
other
also
if
they
felt
like
they
really
needed
some
flexibility.
I
I
honestly
pauline
is
going
to
be
the
one
that's
going
to
answer
that,
but
I
like
the
the
discussion
on
that.
We
have
not
really
talked
about
that
specifically.
G
Well,
we're
still
trying
diving
into
the
three
different
types
of
shelters
and
the
different
zones
that
they'll
be
allowed
in
so
right.
At
this
last
meeting,
we're
focused
primarily
on
the
outdoor
shelters
and
whether
or
not
that
should
be
a
type
1
or
type
2,
and
maybe
in
residential
districts.
Maybe
it's
a
type
2,
but
in
the
commercial
and
the
mixed
use
districts.
Maybe
it's
a
type
1..
Those
are
the
questions.
H
Well-
and
I
think
also
too,
while
we
were
discussing
it,
I
think
there
was
a
general
consensus
that
a
type
one
was
maybe
the
ultimate
goal,
but
as
we
were
trying
to
come
up
with
how
what
are
the
maximum
units
or
maximum
beds
in
certain
areas
and
then
how
we
calculate
do
we
do
it
by
like
with
the
outdoor
shelter?
Do
we
do
it
by
square
footage
of
the
property?
H
Does
it
have
amenities
on
it
and
and
the
type
two
the
appeal
of
that
is
because
you
know
we
feel
like
we
haven't
quite
solidified
a
lot
of
these
development
code,
kind
of
the
specific
specifics
of
it
and
so
having
it
as
type
two
definitely
gives
it
a
flexibility
so
that
someone
could
come
in
and
kind
of.
Do
you.
H
Of
what
we're
what
we're
trying
to
allow,
but
I
think
it
seemed
like
type
1.
It
was
kind
of
the
easiest
clearest
cut,
but
we
just
we
don't
want
it
to
be
a
type
one.
If
we're
not
sure
we
hit
the
numbers
right
and
so
that
it's
kind
of
a
maybe
it's
maybe
it
starts
out
as
type
two
or
maybe
some
of
the
types
of
shelters
in
certain
zones.
H
We
feel
comfortable
enough
to
make
it
a
type
one.
I
do
like
that
flexibility
a
little
bit
of
maybe
splitting
it
up,
but
as
we
continue
on
and
have
more
meetings
and
then
get
feedback
from
the
public
and
and
especially
the
people
who
have
managed
these
sites,
they're
really
helpful
in
kind
of
understanding
a
little
bit
more
nuance
for
the
nuances
of
it.
I
F
Yeah-
and
I
asked
lynn
if
our
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
could
help
offset
some
additional
costs
and
the
answer
was
yes,
of
course,
it
always
depends
on
how
many
funds
we
have,
but
so
you're
right
hans.
That
did
come
up,
but
I
think
we
could
probably
handle
that
aspect
of
it
and
we
were
going
to
talk
next.
I
think
susanna
on
how
we
figure
out
how
many
go
in
each
zone.
So
maybe
after
we
have
that
conversation
counselors,
you
might
have
additional
input
on
this
discussion
so.
B
Sorry
susannah,
I
just
wanted
to
add
one
just
make
sure
and
see
if
council
shankelberg
wants
to
weigh
in
here
before
we
move
to
the
next
thing
and
two
that
I
very
much
agree
with
the
concern
about
creating
a
notice
and
comment
period,
but
not
explaining
to
people
what
it
is
they
can
and
can't
affect,
because
I
think
it
is
misleading
or
unfortunate
for
people
to
believe.
I
can
block
this
in
my
neighborhood
when
that
is
not
what
they
can
do.
B
So
I
just
throughout
the
process
and
when
we're,
when
you
guys,
are
doing
getting
your
public
input
being
very
clear
about.
You
know
that
I
think
is
super
important
and
and
weighs
on.
The
decision
of
you
know
how
much
notice
to
provide,
because
just
providing
it,
I
think
in
itself,
implies
to
people
and
you
can
block
this,
which
is
not
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
here.
F
So
there
was
some
discussion
from
from
veterans
village
how
they
did
outreach.
It
wasn't
a
public
hearing
notification,
but
there
was
outreach
to
let
neighbors
know
what's
happening
and
it
you
know
it
could
be
that
there's
a
a
requirement
for
notification
in
that
regard.
I
don't
know
if
it
should
be
mandated
or
recommended,
but
you
know
if
we
do
decide
to
do
type
one
where
there
isn't
a
formal
notification.
J
F
Yeah
and
our
group
was
very
insistent
there
needed
to
either
be
on-site
management
24
hours
or
on
call,
and
so
that
information
could
be
either
posted
on
the
site
or
given
in
that
kind
of
an
outreach.
But
the
intent
was,
if
there's
a
problem,
there
needs
to
be
a
number.
You
can
call
immediately
or
someone
you
can,
whose
door
you
can
knock
on
so
yeah
makes
sense.
K
K
I
don't
feel
like.
I
have
a
voice
and
they're
like
oh
well,
you
had
this
opportunity,
but
in
that
opportunity-
and
I
I
think
we've
talked
about
this
in
a
bunch
of
our
meetings
and
a
bunch
of
the
onboarding-
is
like
everyone
feels
like
there's
an
opportunity
until
there's
like
bulldozers
on
the
ground.
But
what
we
actually
know
is
that,
like
the
decisions
made
like
three
months
before
there's
even
like
equipment
there,
and
so
how
do
we
kind
of
create
that
bridge
and
like
what
will
that
bridge
look
like?
F
Yeah
it
sounds
like
the
issue
is
going
to
be
more
in
residential
zones
than
it
would
be
in
commercial
or
light
industrial,
and
so
you
know
that
might
be
you
know
where
it's
going
or
the
type
of
land
it's
on
might
dictate.
You
know
I
it's
great
to
get
this
feedback
and
ideas
and
something
that
our
our
group
can
continue
to
discuss.
L
The
way
the
short-term
rentals
and
actually
our
marijuana
facilities
works
is
how
we
have
access
to
neighbors
and
the
good
neighbor
policy
is
that
they
also
have
an
operating
license.
It
isn't
our
land
use
code,
it's
our
regular
code
and
they
have
to
apply
annually
for
an
operating
license.
So
I
was
deeply
involved
in
the
code.
Drafting
and
two
one
code
did
not
go
to
the
planning.
Commission.
One
code
only
went
to
council
because
it
was
our
ben
municipal
code.
L
So
I
guess
my
question
was:
is
there
any
discussion
of
needing
some
kind
of
operating
license?
Just
your
mechanism
for
requiring
operators
to
do
things
like
have
a
number
or
notify
neighbors
that
isn't
something
that
we
normally
do
in
the
land
use
process,
so
it
I'm
just
putting
it
out
there
as
something
to
think
about
like
and
it's
an
additional
hoop
and
it's
like
you
know
they
have
to
pay
for
a
license,
and
then
you
have
criteria
in
your
the
municipal
code.
L
So
it's
just
something
to
keep
in
your
mind:
that's
how
we've
done
it
every
other
business
or
land
use
that
operates
in
bed
doesn't
have
to
do
that.
It's
only
short-term
rentals
and
marijuana
facilities
that
have
a
separate
operating
license
because
of
the
unique
nature
of
those
uses
that
we
continue
to
regulate
outside
of
once
they
have
their
land
use
permit
and
in
this
case
we're
you
know,
we're
we're
trying
to
lessen
the
requirements
of
the
land
use
area.
So
you
want
to
add
requirements
in
the
operation.
D
M
D
Practices
but
there
isn't
an
ongoing
licensing
requirement,
and
this
is
part
of
what
we
talked
about
at
the
meeting
of
what
are
standards
that
are
about
the
land
use
and
what
are
standards
about
ongoing
operation.
And
so
this
is
a
distinction
we
have
been
talking
about.
As
a
group
is
what
are
the
attributes
of
the
site
to
regulate
through
the
development
code
and
what
are
attributes
of
ongoing
management
that
are
more
operational
in
management
decisions.
B
L
Short-Term
rentals
is
a
definite
exception.
We
are,
we
require
an
annual
license
and
there
are
a
lot
of
regulations
that
go
along
with
being
a
good
neighbor.
As
john
said,
we
we
can
yank
their
license
if
they're
not,
but
I
don't
and
neighbors
can
complain,
and
they
do
so.
That's
something
you
definitely
want
to
think
about.
You
want
to
create
a
system
where
neighbors
can
complain.
N
J
Hello,
this
conversation
started
out
with
trying
to
solicit
feedback
on
how
we
want
to
review
shelters.
So
is
it
a
type
one?
Is
it
a
type
two
there
seem
to
be
some
interest
in
seeing
perhaps
type
one
in
commercial
and
industrial
areas
and
perhaps
having
a
type
2
in
in
residential
areas
is
kind
of
what
what
I
took
away
from
it
there's
also
some
concern
about
setting
the
expectation
when
we
send
a
notice
that
people
can
veto
it.
J
I
think
people
need
to
realize
that
land
use
notification
is
not
your
right
to
a
veto,
and
so
how
do
we?
How
do
we
better
explain
that
to
folks
so
that
there
might
be
some
components
of
the
of
the
application
that
you
can
comment
and
influence
on,
but
for
the
most
part,
if
you,
if
you're,
proposing
something
that
meets
the
standards
there,
there's
not
a
whole
lot
to
debate,
because
it's
as
we
all
know,
land
use,
isn't
a
popularity
contest.
We
have
standards
and
specifications
to
prevent
that.
N
I
do
I
am
one,
I
think
it's
just
personality
types
honestly
and
we
can
just
choose
one
way
or
the
other.
I
am
of
the
type
that
if
I
get
notification
but
there's
nothing,
I
can
do
about
it.
I
would
just
assume
not
even
get
that
notification,
but
I
realized
very
well
that
that's
just
not
all
people
some
people
would
rather
know
about
it.
I
think
that
a
good
neighbor
agreement
is
an
excellent
compromise
between
those
two
things
walking
around
to
the
neighbors
and
speaking
to
them
and
handing
them
a
piece
of
paper.
N
The
problems
that
we
see
are
along
the
lines
of
people
sitting
on
the
curb
in
front
of
my
house
or
in
front
of
somebody's
house
and
smoking
and
in
particular,
leaving
their
cigarette
butts
or
their
7-eleven
cup.
Behind.
On
our
property,
it's
just
it's
not
illegal
to
sit
on
the
curb
and
smoke.
The
curb
is
public
property.
I
understand
that
very
well,
but
just
as
a
point
of
courtesy
on
our
agreements
is
keep
moving.
If
you're
going
for
also
a
smoke
break,
and
you
you
know,
please
just
take
a
walk.
N
Don't
choose
one
house
to
hang
out
there
for
a
half
an
hour.
Somebody
had
one
of
my
neighbors
just
freaked
out
that
person,
I
gather,
was
just
kind
of
standing
in
the
road
staring
what
she
felt
like
was
in
her
window
at
her,
and
so
that
is
what
we
have
in
ours,
our
things
like
that
and
then
the
other
thing
we
have
is
they
should
have
an
ashtray
on
their
front
porch,
and
these
folks
should
bring
their
butts
back
with
them
and
dispose
of
them
properly.
N
Don't
just
leave
them
in
the
street
or
in
our
yards.
So
all
of
those
things
there's
no
law
in
the
world
that
we
could.
You
know
use
to
enforce
any
of
those
things,
and
that
is
exactly
why
they're
in
good
neighbor
agreements-
and
I
really
do
believe
that
there
is
just
so
much
honestly
nimby
backlash
to
projects
like
this.
N
I
feel
like
if
we
can
take
away
these
relatively
minor
problems-
disagreements
with
the
neighbors,
then
that
just
puts
us
that
much
further
ahead.
If
we
can
get
a
good
neighbor
agreement
that
says
you
know
again
things
like
that,
how
are
they
acting
in
the
neighborhood,
so
there
you
go
and
yes,
I
think
we
can
look
at
our
short-term
rental
code
to
figure
out.
What
does
that
look
like?
How
does
it
read
short-term
rentals
also
require
a
24-hour
phone
number.
That's
one
of
the
things
we
have.
N
A
I
think
in
general.
Well
I
just
wanted
to
say
too
that
in
the
safe
parking
program-
oh
councillor
shinkelberg,
we
we
do
have
in
the
I
see
your
hand,
raise
in
the
safe
parking
program.
We
require
a
neighborhood
meeting
or
outreach,
so
we
could
take
that
code
language
and
then
there
was
one
more
thing.
I
wanted
a
little
bit
of
guidance
on
but
go
ahead.
Counselor.
K
And
that
is
why
we're
making
this
decision-
and
there
are
a
lot
of
other
people
on
this
call
and
a
lot
of
other
in
the
sounding
boards-
the
service
providers
and
that's.
Why
we're
having
these
conversations
and
they're
so
important.
And
that
is
like
hoping
that
somehow
we
can
also
convey
that
as
we're
having
the
land
use,
development
conversations
and
as
we're
going
into
residential
zones,
and
maybe
them
going
together.
So
that,
like
the
information,
is
all
there
like
informational
and
the
land
use
information,
so
that
it's
not
just
like
multiple
flyers.
N
N
J
B
Yeah
I
just
I
just
want
to
give
just
just
to
make
sure
it's
really
clear.
If
I
had
to
pick
one
I
would
pick
type
one,
but
maybe
we
can
look
at
where
we
might
need
to
either
give
the
option
or
ask
for
type
two
as
long
as
we're
clear
about
what
that
means
for
people
when
they
get
that
notice,
and
then
I
had
one
other
thing,
but
I
forgot
it.
So
that's
it
for
me,
but
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
Oh
I
I'm
not
in
favor
of
an
operational
license.
A
Okay,
thank
you
and
I'll,
be
pretty
quick.
So
one
thing
we're
sort
of
grappling
with
is
the
number
of
site
campsites
or
units
we
could
get
on
a
parcel
and
if
we
should
have
in
the
lower
density
residential
zoning
districts,
some
kind
of
maximum
amount
specifically
for
the
outdoor
shelters,
really
because
they're
outside
they're
not
covered
in
a
shell,
they're,
probably
going
to
be
a
little
bit
tougher
to
manage
and
a
little
more
impactful
potentially
on
the
neighbors.
A
You
know
I
don't
know
anyhow,
but
one
thing
we
started
out
when
we
looked
at
other
cities,
eugene
medford
they've
got
salem,
they've
got
limits
in
their
residential
zone
for
like
15
sites,
but
then
we
started
looking
at
if
you
have
a
larger
site
like
the
veterans
village
site
like
an
acre
and
we
honestly,
our
land
is
so
expensive
in
the
rl
zoning
districts
and
the
rs
zoning
districts.
We're
likely
not
going
to
have
that
much
demand
for
these
or
or
that
many
opportunities
there.
A
But
if
somebody
has
a
large
parcel
of
land
should
we
be
looking
at
more
like
a
proportion
per
square
footage
of
square
foot
of
the
land,
and
so
you
know,
veterans,
village,
saint
vincent
de
paul
and
actually
don's
house.
One
of
our
safe
parking
projects
is
all
about
400
square
feet
per
like
pad
so
per
site.
But
if
you
had
an
acre
that
would
be
potentially
40
43
plots
in
a
you
know.
A
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
acre
sites
in
the
city,
but
even
even
if
you
had
a
third
of
an
acre,
which
is
a
lot
of
our
our
older
rl
lots,
that's
still
a
substantial
amount
of
of
potential
sites.
So
we
don't
need
to
figure
out
a
number,
but
it
would
be
great
to
get
your
input
sort
of
just
like
your
feeling
about.
A
Should
we
put
a
maximum
on
those
lower
density
zoning
districts
like
15
20.,
you
know
we
can
always
work
with
somebody
that
comes
in
with
21
sites
as
opposed
to
20..
Maybe
they
would
go
through
a
type
2
process
instead
of
a
type
1
or
something
like
that,
but
just
wanted
to
get
your
feedback
on
that
and
really
quick,
because
I
know
you
have
to
get
to
parking.
F
And
I
just
said
something
really
quick
suzanne.
It
was
part
of
the
conversation
and
it
came
up
from
veterans,
village
versus
st
vincent
de
paul.
Is
that
maybe
taking
the
community
building
square
footage
out
and
because
some
somewhats
may
have
adjacent
a
property
like
st
vincent
de
paul
has
an
adjacent
space
to
so
the
numbers
wound
up
being
denser
in
their
lot.
Then,
if
you
look
at
veterans
village,
it
has
that
whole
community
building
in
it.
F
So
there
was
not
one
simple
formula
that
fit,
and
we
just
you
know,
had
this
conversation
and
I'm
sure
we'll
continue
to
have
the
conversation,
but
I
was
one
that
was
pushing.
It
should
be
proportional
to
the
size
of
the
land
as
opposed
to
a
specific
number,
so
that
it's
more
realistic
for
whatever.
If
it's
a
small
parcel,
a
large
parcel,
a
little
it'll
grow
or
shrink
depending
on
the
size
of
the
parcel.
So
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
a
little
bit
in
sorry,
it's
good.
B
Yeah
my
my
input
would
be.
That
sounds
like
a
better
way
to
go
to
me.
I
I
just
don't
know
how
to
figure
that
out,
and
so
you
can
talk
to
service
providers,
because
the
other
thing
too,
is
that
you
know
just
people,
people
like
to
think
of
the
worst
case
scenario
and
they
think
oh
there's
an
empty
lot.
Next
to
me,
it's
going
to
be
filled
with
campers,
you
know,
and
and
service
providers
are
going
to
be
managing
these
camps.
B
They
are
going
to
have
limits
on
how
many
people
they
can
manage
what
their
resources
are
and
what
is
actually
going
to
be
effective
and
good
for
the
people
living
there.
So
there
are
other
bounds
that
are
going
to
be
around
how
many
camps
are
on
a
site,
but
to
me
it
makes
sense
to
look
at
the
size
of
the
site
and
then
kind
of
determine
from
there
how
many
people
fit
realistically
and
fit
in
with
the
zoning
of
the
neighborhood.
That's
already
there.
K
B
A
K
Melanie
just
like
we're,
I
think,
really
talking
to
the
service
providers
about
like
what
how
they
kind
of
see
the
acreage
and
kind
of
what
it
will
look
like
when
they
have
like
whether
they're
buildings
or
tents
or
whatever
kind
of
structures
will
be
on
that
land
and
what's
realistic
for
them
and
how
they
want
to
structure
it
like.
Is
there
going
to
be
a
community
space?
Also
within
that
acre?
K
What
will
yeah
like
how
many
service
providers
will
need
to
be
there?
So,
like
kind
of
how,
depending
on
how
many
campers
are
there,
which
means
how
much
street
parking
is
there
allowed
like?
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
pieces
to
really
talk
to
those
service
providers
on
like
what
could
break
down
the
barriers
for
them
to
provide
the
best
service
for
them
for
the
houseless
humans.
N
I
think
I'm
afraid
that
gets
us
back
to
a
type
2
permit
is
when
somebody
can
come
in
and
say
this
is
what
the
lot
looks
like
and
we're
going
to
put
a
little
community
building
and
what
affordable
housing
had
talked
about
was
yeah
just
averaging
how
much
space
is
needed
for
parking
in
a
community
building
into
the
total
so
that
we
ended
up
with
what
was
it
kathy?
It
was
like
400
square
foot
per
unit,
even
though
the
units
might
be
as
small
as
150
square
feet,
so
right
so.
D
N
N
Work
well
so
I'll
tell
you
what
I
think
it
is
and
then
that'll
be
how
I'll
find
out
if
I'm
right
or
not,
is
yeah.
My
understanding
was
type.
One
is
much
more
rigid
as
far
as
the
requirements
go,
but
then,
because
of
that
there
are
not
opportunities
for
it
to
be
challenged
versus
the
type
2
is
more
open
to
working
with
folks
on
just
what
it
is
that
their
own
project
is
just
gonna
look
like
and
was
I
even
close
to
correct
susanna.
O
Yeah,
so
the
real
test
for
what
can
be
processed
as
a
type
1
application
versus
a
type
2
application
is
the
application
of
discretion
by
the
decision
maker.
So,
if
we're
going
to
process
these
as
planning
applications,
if
there's
any
discretion,
that's
applied
with
any
of
the
standard
criteria
that
we
use,
then
we
really
need
to
do
it
as
a
type
to
application,
and
that
doesn't
necessarily
you
know,
tell
people
that
they
can
veto
it.
O
That
was
listening
to
that
part
of
the
conversation,
but
it
does
if
what
it
does
do
is
even
if
you're
applying
just
a
small
amount
of
discretion
and
there's
lots
of
luba
cases
on
what's
discretion.
What's
not
so
it's
not
a
very
clear
term,
which
is
somewhat
ironic,
but
but
but
if
the
discretion
is
applied,
the
the
it's
it's
it
puts
the
the
application
into
jeopardy.
Because
what
could
happen?
O
Is
that
any
neighbor
who
who
feels
as
though
they
should
have
gotten
noticed
and
should
have
gotten
an
opportunity
to
comment
and
didn't
will
have
an
opportunity
to
in
the
future?
It
could
be
down
the
road
you
know
a
year
or
two
down
the
road.
They
find
out
about
it.
They
say
I
should
have
been
noticed.
They
appeal
to
luba
and
luba
basically
invalidates
the
application
and
tells
the
city
we
have
to
go
back
so
as
we're
crafting
these
code
standards
I'll
be
working
with
the
city
attorney's
office.
I
Mute
apologies.
I'm
thinking
that
if
it's
type
2
that
requires
a
public
meeting,
my
assumption
is
it
would
that
notwithstanding,
if
it
meets
code,
there's
really
nothing
to
challenge.
Sometimes
those
public
meetings
create
a
dialogue
buying
between
developers
and
occasionally
a
developer
will
acknowledge
or
make
a
small
concession
to
get
community
support.
I
So
I
just
wonder
if
that's
an
opportunity
to
get
more
community
support
understanding
that
we
would
need
to
be
clear
to
people
that
if
this
meets
code,
there's
nothing
that
the
developer
of
the
site
needs
to
change,
that
it
might
promote
some
dialogue,
and
maybe
some
community
support
would
be
my
thought
in
terms
of
maybe
there's
a
reason
to
want
to
type
two,
particularly
in
residential.
That's
where
I
see
the
likelihood
for
the
biggest
pushback
frankly.
G
O
Yes,
so
for
land
divisions,
new
buildings,
10
000
square
feet
or
larger
conditional
use,
permits,
zone
changes
and
there's
a
few
other
ones.
So
as
it's
written,
if
they
were
moving
into
an
existing
building,
then
it
would
not
trigger,
even
if
it
was
a
type
2,
it
wouldn't
trigger
a
neighborhood
public
meeting.
But
if
the
council
and
the
committee
want
it
to
you
know
all
of
these
to
have
a
neighborhood
public
meeting,
we
could
just
add
that
to
the
list
of
application
types
that
have
to
have
the
neighborhood
public
name.
H
H
To
try
and
give
an
opportunity
for
the
for
the
neighbors
to
push
back
on
it
or
anything.
But
I
think
just
for
education
of
the
neighbors
and
to
introduce
the
you
know
the
the
service
providers
to
the
neighbors
so
that
you
know
in
in
in
barb's
case
having
that
communication.
Opening
that
line
of
communication
and
starting
that
out
and
really
just.
H
The
community
that's
going
to
be
living
next
to
this
like
hey.
This
is
the
process.
This
is
what
we
do
and,
and
maybe
you
know,
maybe
kind
of
alleviating
a
little
bit
of
fears
or
questions
that
they
might
have,
because
if
they
just
hear
about
it,
oh
did
you
hear.
There's
this
homeless
camp
going
in
down
the
street
having
the
service
provider
introduce
themselves
and
creating
a
forum
for
that
neighborhood
feedback.
I
think
I
think
it's
a
good
thing
and
it's
part
of
the
education
process.
I
And,
if
not
required
scott,
certainly
it's
part
of
what
anyone
would
do
as
best
practices.
I
think
the
outreach
I
had
at
veterans
village
was
very
well
received
by
the
boyd
acres
na,
because
it
was
wasn't
a
surprise.
They
were
part
of
the
dialogue.
It
was
just
really
a
positive
way
to
approach
it.
So
if
not,
if
not
mandated
or
regulated
at
least
part
of
a
best
practice
is
a
approach.
B
B
Just
to
contrast,
like
a
large
developer,
a
polish
or
somebody,
they
pay
people
to
do
that
ex
exclusively
right.
So
so,
just
to
keep
that
in
mind
that,
when
we're
asking
them
to
kind
of
enter
into
this
developer
world
and
and
become
sort
of
pr
people
for
themselves,
plus
providing
all
the
service
that
we
just
need
to
be
mindful
of
that
of
what
we're
asking
people
to
do
and
think
of
is
there
any
way
for
us
to
support
that
is
there?
B
Is
there
city,
resources
or
other
ways,
and
that
we
could
support
those
neighborhood
meetings
if
we're
going
to
ask
for
them?
Could
city
staff,
or
somebody
be
there-
that
works
on
works
on
this
issue
to
help
everybody
understand
the
bigger
picture
of?
What's
going
on
plus,
what's
happening
here
with
this
shelter,
just
something
to
think
about
as
we're
talking
about
those
meetings.
F
Could
I
ask,
though,
one
question
on
notification?
I
know
it
used
to
be
that
only
home
owners
were
mailed
notification
and
then
there
was
some
discussion,
particularly
in
the
southeast
elbow
of
notifying
renters,
and
I
was
wondering
if
we're
talking
about
notifying
the
people
that
live
around
this
is
chances
are
there'll,
be
a
significant
number
of
renters.
G
A
J
J
I'm
joined
by
a
number
of
folks
who
can
help
provide
a
little
bit
of
background
or
color
commentary
as
necessary.
We
have
allison
platt,
russ,
grayson,
colin
stevens
pauline,
I'm
not
so
sure.
If
you're
going
to
stick
around
for
this,
are
you
going
to
stick
around
paulie
and
hardy
toby
marks
and
brian
rankin?
So
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen
and
have
a
just
brief
presentation,
just
to
kind
of
summarize
what
we
discussed
in
the
past
and
what
we're
looking
for
is
really
feedback
from
the
from
the
subcommittee.
J
In
terms
of
do
we
want
to
continue
to
consider
making
adjustments
to
parking
regulations,
primarily
in
light
of
the
variety
of
other
projects
that
we
have
with
our
our
goals,
and
I've
got
a
list
of
other
items,
but
it's
essentially
it's
a
resource
conversation
and
if
we
want
to
pursue
it,
what
are
we
going
to
do
to
make
adjustments
so
that
we
can?
We
can
accomplish
all
the
ambitious
goals
that
we
have
that
council
has
put
together.
So
with
that,
let
me
see
if
I
can
figure
out
how
to
share
my
screen.
J
N
J
J
J
So
it
is,
as
I
gather
it
from
from
the
conversations
that
we've
had
today.
There
seems
to
kind
of
be
two
objectives
for
for
reduction
in
parking,
and
so
is
it
if
one
was
to
create
additional
space
for
housing,
and
I
think,
with
our
core
area
adjustments
you
can
see
where
we
have
made
additional
changes
to
parking
standards
where
additional
space
can
be
constructed
on
a
site.
J
There's
also
conversations
about
encouraging
more
bike
and
pedestrian
facilities,
and
so
this
is
a
picture
from
eugene
with
their
separated
bike
lanes
there,
and
so
there's
definitely
opportunities
to
do
both
with
with
in
terms
of
how
we
manage
our
parking
and
our
parking
standards.
But
before
we
jump
into
specifically
how
what
staff
would
be
recommending.
I
wanted
to
just
have
a
little
brief
background
in
terms
of
what
we've
already
been
doing
today.
J
So
with
that
alison.
If
you're
on
here,
we've
made
some
specific
changes
for
the
ben
central
district
and
allison,
if
you're
here,
if
you
could
briefly
just
run
through
how
this
this
diagram
shows
that
there's
additional
space
where
you
can
build
for
housing
based
on
the
reduced
parking
that
we
have
in
the
bcd.
B
E
So
one
parking
space
per
500
square
feet
reduced
the
residential
parking
minimums,
and
then
we,
the
the
biggest
change,
was
we
gave
every
every
property,
a
10,
000
square
foot
of
building
footprint
exemption
so
that
bought
that
image
on
the
bottom
right
shows
for
every
10
000
square
feet
of
building
on
every
story
can
be
exempt
from
parking.
So
if
you're
doing
a
10
000
building
footprint,
that's
five
stories
tall.
You
still
don't
provide
you're
not
required
to
provide
any
parking.
So
it's
a
really
significant
parking
session
for
this
area.
E
In
particular,
we've
still
haven't
seen
development,
especially
residential
development,
come
in
really
under
this
code,
and
so
you
know
there's.
I
think
we
still
kind
of
need
to
see
the
you
see
what
this
code
does
unlock.
I
know
a
lot
of
people
are
are
running
pro
forma
is
kind
of
coming
up
with
with
projects
in
this
area,
but
we
haven't
seen
a
lot
really
come
into
the
into
the
planning
application.
P
E
And
we
had
a
kind
of
a
joint
work
session
with
the
nla,
a
hack,
our
urban
rental
advisory
board
committee
members,
I
want
to
say
there
was
even
one
more
advisory
committee.
Maybe
vdab
was
represented
at
that
that
all
kind
of
weighed
in
on
a
discussion
that
ultimately
led
to
the
adoption
of
this
of
this
code.
J
Thank
you
ali.
Thank
you
brian.
I
apologize.
This
is
why
you
don't
have
meetings
at
three
o'clock
on
fire
three
o'clock
on
a
friday
about
all
the
technical
difficulties,
so
we
will
move
on
to
house
bill
2001
and
summarize
some
of
the
changes
that
we
are
seeing
as
part
of
house
bill
2001..
So
colin,
I
think
you
were
going
to
summarize
it
quickly
or
pauline
if
you
want
to
walk
through
it,
but
we've
definitely
made
some
adjustments
that
accompany
that
build
it.
I
think
planning
question
has
a
work
session
on
it.
L
O
G
G
G
Today,
on
the
code
you
can
see
in
the
middle
column
the
current
standards
for
duplexes
and
triplexes,
and
the
proposed
standards
for
duplexes
and
triplexes
would
eliminate
parking
requirements,
not
to
say
that
they
can't
put
in
parking.
They
can
it's
just
saying
that
there's
no
minimum
parking
requirements
proposed
for
duplexes
and
triplexes
for
a
quad
plex
on
the
parking
requirements.
Again,
you
can
see
the
current
standards
in
the
middle
column
and
what
is
being
proposed
is
in
compliance
with,
I
believe,
the
model
code
and
it
is
requiring
one
off
street
parking
space
per
development.
G
So
it's
not
per
unit
is
just
for
the
entire
development
and
that's
in
the
standard,
medium
and
high
density
residential
zones
and
then
in
our
low
density
residential
zones
for
quad
plexus,
which
is
four
units.
It
would
be
two
a
minimum
of
two
off
street
parking
spaces
per
development
townhomes.
Today
we
require
two
parking
spaces
per
unit
and
in
compliance
with,
I
want
to
say
it
is
the
oars
oregon
administrative
rules
and
the
model
code.
G
It
is
proposing
one
parking
space
per
unit
and
we
don't
have
cottage
clusters
in
our
code
today
we
have
something
similar
called
cottage
housing
developments
and
what
is
being
proposed
is
one
space
per
unit.
We
also
met
with
some
representatives
of
affordable
housing
developments,
and
the
code
today
requires
one
space
per
unit,
and
I
understand
this
doesn't
have
to
do
with
house
bill
2001,
but
we
thought
it
was
timely
since
we're
amending
parking
requirements,
and
so
the
current
standard
today
for
affordable
housing
is
one
space
per
unit.
J
Q
Sure
gladly
and
then
so,
as
as
everybody
know
we
have,
we
have
followed
the
downtown
parking
strategic
management
plan
for
the
last
two
years.
It
was,
it
was
a
result
of
a
2017
or
2016
study
was
adopted
by
council
in
2017
and
since
the
downtown
parking
advisory
committee,
that's
composed
of
business
owners,
residents
and
other
like
ex-officio
members
like
the
dbba
diamond
parking
and
others
have
implemented
these
strategies.
We
are
now
the
plan
calls
for
28
strategies
that
go
from
everything
from
creating
a
parking
services
division
to
build
more
parking
all
the
way.
Q
At
the
end,
we
are
now
at
about
16
strategies
that
have
been
implemented
this
summer.
We
go
to
about
19,
so
we're
making
our
way
through
that
that
plan
is
a
data
driven
plan,
which
means
we
all
these
strategies
when
we
implement
them,
should
build
on
each
other
when
they're
really
needed
and
they're
they're
really
intended
to
mitigate
and
to
manage
mitigate
challenges,
parking
challenges
and
manage
parking
demand.
Q
Q
J
Thank
you
toby
and
really
appreciate
all
your
work
on
that
as
well.
So
with
that
kind
of
wrapping
up
the
staff
presentation,
I
guess
I'll
get
to
the
punch
line.
The
staff's
recommendation
is
really.
We
we've
implemented
a
lot
of
changes
to
our
parking
to
our
parking
codes
in
various
parts
of
town
and
just
based
on
the
the
ambitious
set
of
goals
that
we
have
currently
there's
a
capacity
issue
that
we're
bumping
into,
and
so
I
think
what
I've
seen
from
even
just
a
conversation
where
these
are
just
hypothetical
conversations.
J
The
amount
of
of
comment
and
emotion
that
comes
along
with
with
parking
it's
a
pretty
intense
process
for
us
to
dive
into,
and
so
in.
Consideration
of
things
like
you
know,
we're
taking
on
housing
and
unhoused
issues,
which
is
a
lot
of
code,
work.
A
lot
of
property
management,
a
lot
of
fine
amendment,
a
lot
of
higher
level
staff
working
on
it,
equity
mapping,
facilities,
planning,
strategic
energy
management
plan,
a
tree
code
which
is
going
to
be
a
really
deep
dive
as
well
resiliency
planning,
core
area,
seat,
universe
and
economic
opportunities.
J
J
But
again
with
just
the.
I
think,
some
pretty
progressive
moves
we've
made
in
terms
of
parking
adjustments.
It
might
be
worth
our
while
to
wait
and
see
what
happens
with
with
the
core
area
parking
see
what
happens
with
2001
and
perhaps
take
on
a
larger
dive
into
parking
in
another
biennium,
but
that
that
is
staff's
recommendation.
J
J
B
I'll
start
so
yeah
this.
This
is
a
good
recap
of
the
conversation
or
the
presentation
we
got
at
the
work
session.
I
continue
to
feel
this
is
an
urgent
policy
need.
I
continue
to
feel
that
we
need
to
move
forward
on
it.
I'm
really
interested
to
hear
when
you
say,
like
let's
scope
it
correctly,
what
are
some
options?
Where
could
we
start,
and
I
think
I
think
it's
good
to
highlight
in
hb
2001
work
which
is
going
to
be
coming
through
us?
B
You
know
this
year
in
the
summer,
we've
made
a
start
there,
but
you
know
I
especially
for
residential.
I
guess
that's
where
my
my
biggest
urgency
is
is
housing,
but
I
will
say
also.
I
think,
that
this
parking
policy
reform
can
have
an
impact
on
climate
and
how
we
shape
our
city
and
the
longer
we
wait.
The
more
of
our
city
gets
shaped
with
some
remaining
policies
that,
in
my
opinion,
continue
to
prioritize
space
for
cars
that
we
we
shouldn't
do
anymore.
B
So
I
guess
that's
where
I'm
at
john
is
is
I
I
hear
you
on
the
resources
issue.
We've
set
ambitious
goals.
We've
asked
you
to
do
a
lot,
so
I
would
love
to
hear
what
are
the
options
to
start
moving
forward,
understanding
that
there
are
a
lot
of
things
you're
working
on
and
not
everything
can
be
dropped
to
work
on
this.
But
where
could
we
start
to
move
forward
on
this,
and
even
if
it's
in
small
steps,
what
are
the
first
few
small
steps
that
we
can
start
to
take.
J
Well,
I
think
we've
made
some
pretty
big
steps
today,
and
so
that's
I
guess
that's
where,
where
I'm
coming
from
is
in
terms
of
what
what
we've,
what
we
planned
in
in
the
in
the
then
central
district
as
well
as
what
should
hit
the
books
with
2001,
I
think,
are
steps
that
have
already
been
taken
and
steps
that
will
be
taken.
That
will
address
that
very
residential
area.
Need
that
you
and
and
concern
that
you
have.
J
I'd
like
to
sequence
things
so
that
we're
successful
with
both
taking
them
all
on
right
now
to
me,
just
does
not
seem
as
though
we're
going
to
be
able
to
accomplish
what
we
want
to
do,
or
do
it
as
well
as
we
want
to,
and
it's
just
funny
when,
when
you
bring
up
parking,
there's
just
everybody's
an
expert
on
parking,
and
so
I
think
the
second
we
open
it
up.
We
are
going
to
be
having
a
lot
more
feedback
and
a
lot
more
conversations
than
than
we
think
we
are
walking.
J
So
if,
if
we,
if,
if
the
rest
of
the
the
subcommittee
wants
to
move
forward
with
it,
I
think
we
could
come
back
to
you
with
some
smaller
scoped
areas,
but
we
still
need
to
think
about
the
resources
that
go
into
it.
And
a
sounding
board
approach,
in
my
mind,
is
something
that's
probably
not
going
to
be
a
real,
effective
approach
here,
because
it
really
is
so
emotional
and
and
just
the
amount
of
folks
that
are
going
to
want
to
be
involved.
K
So
john,
like
how
do
we
resource
the
staff
to
take
these
like
really
small
steps,
and
these
more
like
focused
approaches?
Well
though,
it
may
not
be
this
like
huge,
like
this
has
all
changed,
but
while
we
continue
to
make
movement
forward
on
parking,
how
do
we
resource
staff
in
a
realistic
way,
knowing
that
they're
working
on
like
many
really
really
really
cool
projects?
Right
now,.
J
So
I
think
it
it's
dependent
upon
the
scope
of
what
we're
what
we're
looking
at
and
I'd
love
to
get
counselor
campbell's
feedback
as
well.
It
looks
like
she
and
wan
are
hanging
out
together
having
some
technical
issues
as
well,
so
juan's
been
good
company
today,
but
the
I
think
it
really
is
dependent
upon
you
know.
One
idea
we
talked
about
was
expanding
the
bent
central
district
parking
regulations
to
the
whole
tiff
area.
So
it's
a
little
bit
bigger
than
bc
that
that's
kind
of
a
bite-sized
approach.
J
I'd
still
want
some
time
to
digest
it
and
come
back
and
and
let
you
know
what
we're
looking
at
resource-wise,
but
I
don't
think
it's
a
quick
to
the
planning
commission
and
on
to
this
on
to
the
city
council.
In
any
of
these
items,
it's
going
to
require
reaching
out
to
the
neighborhood
associations
reaching
out
to
the
various
committees
and
having
those
those
conversations
and
sequencing
it
appropriately
yeah.
So
that
would
be
my
response.
I
think
it
depends
on
how
big
of
an
area
are
we
talking.
K
Well-
and
I
think
it's
just
as
we
like
are
having
this
conversation-
it
sounds
like
there
are
many.
I
know
that
with
council's
pretty
aggressive,
I
don't
want
to
use
the
word
aggressive
with
our
ambitious
and
like
fruitful
goals
to
provide
for
this
entire
community,
and
we
know
that
city
staff
are
working
really
really
hard
on
many
different
things,
and
so
how
do
we
continue
movement
forward
and
maybe
have
maybe
have
an
impact
that
we're
looking
towards?
K
Maybe
it's
not
something
that
we're
going
to
see
tomorrow,
but
we're
like
oh
and
then
we're
gonna
have
this
conversation
and
then
this
conversation
and
then
we're
going
to
see
the
impact
so
have
it
on
a
timeline
that
we're
kind
of
as
this
current
council
can
track
in
some
way.
I
guess
I
don't
think
that's
a
detailed
answer
in
any
way,
shape
or
form,
but
something
that
we're
able
to
kind
of
maybe
see
in
the
purview
yeah
go
ahead.
Melanie.
M
Yeah
well
good
afternoon,
everybody
because
council
club,
because
I'd
like
to
dive
into
kind
of
your
your
questions
a
little
bit
more
because
for
us
just
so
you
know
there
are
there's
not
that
many
projects
that
have
come
through
that
have
not
moved
through
because
of
parking
and
we're
having
some
aggressive.
You
know,
as
john
pointed
out,
we've
got
some
pretty
aggressive
parking
standards
in
a
lot
of
areas.
M
There
are
certain
projects,
though,
that
where
we
do
see,
issues
in
the
and
kind
of
that
core
area
and
colin
can
elaborate
more
than
I
can,
but
especially
on
the
small
lot.
So
there's
you
know
trying
to,
as
we
talked
about
at
the
work
session.
There's
some
those
are
those
like
those
specific
targeted
areas.
M
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
they're
we're
trying
to
tackle
the
right
question,
or
you
know
trying
to
answer
the
right
question,
because
we
are
having
success
of
getting
a
lot
of
projects
out
of
the
ground
where
you
know,
developers
are
kind
of
right-sizing
their
developments
already
within
our
parking
standards.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
not
missing
something
big
from
from
your
vision
around
this
topic
of.
Are
you
hearing
of
certain
projects
that
are
that
are
not
moving
forward?
B
Right,
I
think
that
is
is
part
of
what
I'm
thinking
about
and
that
we
need
more
housing
types,
not
just
more
housing
but
more
housing
types.
We
need
smaller
units,
smaller
prices,
and
I
don't
want
any.
I
want
to
eliminate
barriers
to
that
and
I,
I
think
parking
minimums
are
a
barrier
so,
but
but
that's
I
mean
this
is
the
type
of
information
I
was
hoping
to
have
in
this
meeting
is
what
have
you
seen?
That
would
be
a
good
place
to
start
the
targeting?
Is
it
a
geographic
area?
B
Is
it
a
certain
kind
of
zone?
Is
it
starting
in
the
court
like
expanding
out
from
where
the
core
is?
You
know,
that's
that's
kind
of
what
I
was
hoping
to
hear,
and
I
agree
with
rita
about
keeping
this
sequenced
in
a
way
that
it's
not
going
to
happen
overnight,
but
we
are
thinking
about
it
and
continuing
to
work
forward
on
it
as
we're
tackling
all
of
our
our
other
big
projects.
So
I
mean
that's,
that's
that's
the
feedback.
B
M
Yeah,
so
I'm
gonna
I'll
turn
this
over
to
colin
and
to
brian
for
sure,
around
kind
of
where
we're
seeing
kind
of
the,
because
there
are
certain
areas
where
yes,
we
could
probably
turn.
You
know,
tune
the
dials
here
and
there,
especially
around
the
core
area
and
trying
to
get
things
moving
but
colin.
Maybe
you
can
give
some
updates
on
kind
of
what
you're
seeing
coming
through
the
planning
office.
Sure.
O
O
They
have
difficulty
parking
those
because
not
only
do
you
have
to
put
a
parking
space
in
or
minimum
number
of
parking
spaces
in
one
of
those
has
to
be
an
accessible
parking
space
which
has
an
aisle
and
a
place
for
the
vehicle
to
park.
So
I
think
those
are
some
really
good
areas,
so
the
downtown
ben
central
district,
the
sort
of
arizona,
colorado
couplet,
because
that's
got
some
new
newer
or
that's
got
some
commercial
zoning.
But
then
there's
the
mixed
use.
O
M
P
Yeah,
thank
you
counselor
keebler.
I
I
appreciate
you,
I'm
narrowing
the
scope
by
using
the
you
know
by
talking
about
climate.
So
you
know
if
I
think,
when
we
first
entered
this
discussion,
I
apologize.
I
I
wasn't
there.
Karen
was
there
karen
sworsky
she's.
She
did
the
city-wide
parking
study
and
is
she's
our
planning
parking
guru.
She
just
loves
parking.
P
I
apologize
she's,
not
here
today
and-
and
so
I
think
these
discussions
are
really
helpful
because
understanding
that
it's
a
big
policy
issue
for
you
and
that
it's
also
related
to
climate
as
well.
If
that's
true
for
the
council,
then
I
think
what
that
does.
Is
it
narrows
the
geography
because
from
just
my
perspective,
it's
an
opinion,
and
maybe
it's
not
the
only
opinion
on
this,
but
you
know
house,
bill
2001
and
the
parking
reductions
there
will
apply
broadly
throughout
the
ugb.
P
And
so,
if
you
look
at
the
urban
form
of
the
city,
you
see
a
lot
of
peripheral
residential
and
then,
of
course,
as
you
move
to
the
core,
you
have
more
services,
you
have
a
greater
mix
of
uses.
You
have
a
greater
mix
of
density
of
destinations
and
fun
things
to
do
on
foot
or
on
bike.
So
you
know
cutting
parking
will
help
get
housing
units
to
help
through
house
bill
2001.
I
think
it
gets
you,
those
additional
housing
units
in
those
distant,
more
distant
residential
areas,
and-
and
that
is
a
a
significant
policy
change.
P
P
When
you
talk
about
climate,
I
think
what
you're
talking
about,
therefore,
would
be
reducing
vehicle
miles.
Traveled
shorter
trip
distances,
less
use
of
the
automobile,
which
then
has
the
climate
impact
that
you're
looking
for,
which
then
focuses
us.
I
think
on
in
this
conversation
on
that
core
in
those
areas
that
are
more
central
to
the
core
of
the
city,
which
plenty
of
work
that
we've
done
shows
that
yeah,
you
know
the
more
housing
you
put
in
those
areas,
the
the
shorter
the
trips,
the
fewer
trips
and
the
the
better
impacts
on
on
climate.
P
So
I
think
that
does
focus
us
in
on
opportunity
areas
in
the
core
it
focuses
in
on
the
tiff
area.
So
it's
now
we've
narrowed.
You
know
from
the
whole
city
and
say
distant.
You
know
distant
malls
in
the
north
end
down
to
the
core
of
the
city
in
order
for
you
to
achieve
those
climate
goals,
and
I
think
that
can
help
us
tailor
what
steps
would
be
required
to
advance
your
goals
and
those
in
those
specific
areas.
So
I
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you.
J
H
Yeah
yeah,
I
was
just
going
to
say,
you
know,
I
don't
think
we
should.
We
can't
just
judge
the
you
know:
success
or
failures
of
projects
based
on
parking
from
what
gets
to
the
desk
of
the
city,
because
I've
worked
on
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
properties,
a
lot
of
projects
where
a
developer,
just
you
know,
they're
they're,
saying
okay,
land
use.
What
can
I
do
in
this?
What
can
I
do
with
this
property?
H
And
the
first
thing
we
look
at
is
parking.
I
mean
parking
and
building
heights
are
the
two
things
that
that
then
that
defines
the
scope.
I
mean
that's
it's
like
gravity,
I
mean
you
just
it
it
it.
It
defines
more
of
what
can
be
built
than
any
anything
else,
and
and
yeah
we've
seen
a
lot
of
projects
go
away
just
because,
if
they
can't
you
know,
we
know
the
certain
size
of
a
unit
or
an
average
size
of
a
unit,
and
we
know
layout
parking,
it's
pretty.
H
H
It's
it's
not
a
maximum,
so
people
will
I
mean
I
think
it
was
like
the
malls
on
the
north
side
of
town.
They
didn't
have
to
put
all
that
parking
in,
but
they
did
so
just
because
they
get
rid
of
parking,
doesn't
mean
it's
going
to
go
away
and
another
thing
I
always
I've
always
wanted
to
do
this
because
being
involved
in
hb
2001
and
some
other
things.
H
M
M
H
F
Yeah,
I'm
also
on
the
hb
2001
committee,
and
we
really
are
being
very
aggressive
about
reducing
parking
and
trying
to
to
eliminate
parking
minimums
wherever
we
can,
but
it's
a
collaborative
process,
and
so
you
know
ultimately
it
will
come
to
the
city
council
to
to
look
at,
but
I
think
that
brian
brings
up
a
really
good
point
in
terms
of
looking
at
climate
impact
and
the
idea
of
maybe
expanding.
What
we
did
at
the
central
core
to
the
whole
tiff
area
seems
like
a
doable
chunk.
F
That
would
get
you
closer
to
where
you
want,
and
then
you
know,
as
we
continue
to
move
through
the
hb
2001
work.
You
know
we.
We
can
keep
this
discussion
about
parking
in
mind
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
from
the
affordable
housing
committee
aspect.
We've
talked
to
a
couple
of
affordable
housing
providers
and
offered
to
them.
F
You
know
you
probably
don't
need
to
do
this
much
parking,
especially
when
they
have
a
senior
component
and
and
we've
heard
feedback
back
that
they
never
want
to
under
park,
because
they
want
to
be
good
neighbors,
and
so
just
because
we
eliminate
minimums
doesn't
mean
it's
going
to
materially
change
some
of
the
projects
that,
whether
it's
a
single
family,
home
and
and
they
want
to
keep
doing
two-car
garages
or
whether
it's
a
multi-family,
a
large
multi-family
project-
that's
affordable.
They
still
want
to
provide
the
parking.
F
M
You
know
around
osu
and
so
for
us
too.
There's
those
kind
of
you
know,
colin,
I
know
colin
has
brought
this
up
too.
It's
we
can.
We
can
cut
parking
requirements
for
commercial
businesses
and
tie
a
lot
of
that
to
you
know
just
outdoor
eating
areas
and
outdoor.
You
know,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
outdoor
areas
and
we
have
requirements.
You
have
to
park
those
outdoor
areas,
but
I
also
want
to
make
sure
we're
targeting
the
right
thing
when
we
do
this.
M
J
With
your,
you
know,
10
barrel
issue
to
me
that
would
probably
be
something
where
toby
steps
in
and
helps
us
manage
those
areas
better
and
and
we
we
have
that
that
incremental
plan
that
we're
putting
together
toby-
I
don't
know
if
you
have
any
comments
on
that,
but
looking
at
parking
standards
in
an
area
that's
already
very
busy
and
and
and
and
quite
popular,
I
don't
think
your
parking
standards
are
going
to
do
much
to
address
the
issue.
It's
going
to
be
more
how
you
might
manage
it.
Q
Yeah-
and
so
I
think,
that's
a
good
good
point
right
so
galveston,
for
example,
is
an
interesting
one
because
of
one
thing
that
everybody
in
the
meetings
that
we
had
last
year
before
we
did
old
bend
the
neighbors
and
even
some
business
owners
were
complaining.
Well,
you
allowed
this
without
them,
providing
enough
parking,
and
so
my
comment
back
to
everybody
in
the
community
meeting
was
so.
What
do
you
want
us
to
do?
You
want
us
to
you're
not
going
to
go
back
and
close
somebody
down
right,
because
I
already
want
some.
Q
So
I
think
that's
that's
a
challenge
and
I'm
with
russ
there,
but
the
one
thing
is
like
what
john
just
said:
downtown.
For
example,
if
we
hit
the
threshold
of
utilization
over
a
certain
percentage
frequent,
which
we
that's
where
we
were
before
covet
19
they're,
the
next
steps
that
are
built
in
in
the
plan
now,
I'm
going
to
say
the
very
unpopular
thing
right
paid
parking
being
one
of
them.
How
do
we
do
that
right?
Q
N
N
N
How
where
and
how
are
we
going
to
make
sure
that
we
have
enough
accessible
parking
as
we're
using
more
street
parking
street
parking
does
not
bother
me
at
all.
My
own
neighborhood
is
one
where
there
are
no
ccnrs,
and
I
just
think
my
own
neighborhood
is
ripe
for
adus
coming
in
or
somebody
deciding
to
put
a
duplex
where
there
used
to
be
a
home,
and
I
just
don't
think
it
would
disturb
us
much
at
all.
N
N
N
M
N
Right
now
we
have
that
property
has
been
ripe
for
redevelopment
for
a
lot
of
years
and
we
keep
kind
of
poking
at
the
edges
trying
to
get
the
right
equation.
That's
going
to
mean
somebody
finally
puts
some
apartments
there,
so
in
closing
accessible
spaces,
how
are
we
going
to
make
sure
we
have
our
accessible
spaces
staff
recommendation
plus
moving
forward
stepping
forward
to
changes
in
the
whole
tif
area?
B
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
be
mindful.
I
think
we
set
a
public
comment
period
for
this
meeting,
so
I
think
we're
bumping
up
on
that,
and
I
just
want
to
kind
of
give
my
final
recommendation
and
and
thank
you
to
all
the
staff
for
your
comments
and
and
the
members
of
our
committees
here,
I'm
going
to
sum
up
kind
of
my
policy
goal
here
is
that
I
don't
want
someone
who's
looking
at
developing
mixed
use,
housing,
commercial
and
bend
to
start
their
process.
By
saying,
where
is
the
parking
going
to
be?
B
I
want
us
to
develop
in
a
different
way
from
that
and
that's
the
ultimate
long-term
goal.
I
think
that
we're
pushing
towards
here,
but
in
the
short
term,
I
think
what
I
would
love
to
hear
from
staff
are
some
options
for
some
of
these
geographic
areas,
and
I
I'm
leaning
towards
let's
look
at
geographic,
both
commercial
and
residential,
around
the
urban
core
around,
like,
as
brian
said,
what's
going
to
make
a
climate
impact,
but
what's
also
going
to
help
with
housing
in
most
areas.
B
That
sounds
like
a
good
place
to
start
looking
at
where
we
can
make
changes
or
expand
out
the
changes
that
we
did
do
in
the
bcd
and
start
to
get
that
core
ripen
ready
and
for
the
better
kind
of
development.
That's
not
car
centric.
So
I
think
that's
where
I'm
leaning
at
the
point
at
this
point.
But
again,
thank
you.
Everybody
for
your
input.
K
J
And
and
russ
correct
me
if
we're
wrong,
but
basically
the
accessible
parking
and
there's
a
couple
architecture
too,
there's
really
more
function
of
the
building
code.
So
I
think
if
we
were
to
remove
parking
minimums,
we're
still
required
to
provide
accessible
parking
based
on
the
the
formula
in
the
building
codes.
M
If
we
don't
have
a
parking
requirement,
if
there's
no
parking
required,
accessibility
in
theory
doesn't
apply
it's.
When
we
start
requiring
spaces,
then
the
building
code
says:
if
you
have
one
space
or
200
spaces,
you
need
x
amount
of
accessible
spaces.
However,
that's
the
direction
the
council
wants
to
go
and
if
there
is
an
interest
in
getting
accessible
parking
in,
I'm
pretty
sure
there's
a
way
that
we
can
work
with
planning
and
building
to
say
the
theoretical
account
would
be
put
then
put
in
x.
M
J
M
F
J
So
we
will
come
back
to
council
with
a
with
a
scope
project
for
for
keeping
this
probably
focusing
on
the
tiff
area,
focusing
on
accessible
spaces,
private
in
alignment
with
with
climate
policies,
but
also
we're
gonna
scope
it.
Accordingly,
we
might
need
to
pull
one
thing
off
the
goals
to
put
this
thing
on
it,
just
based
on
the
the
resources
that
are
that
are
needed.
J
J
J
Okay,
so
with
that
the
one
other
item
that
would
be
a
housekeeping
item
again,
I
apologize
for
the
technical
difficulties
up
front.
Kayla
I'll
probably
want
to
work
with
you
and
members
of
the
subcommittee
to
try
to
get
a
standing
meeting
every
other
month,
not
at
friday
at
three
o'clock
would
probably
be
best.
So
so,
council
members
of
the
subcommittee
look
for
probably
a
doodle
poll
and
we'll
just
try
to
establish
it,
so
the
next
meeting
will
be
in
august,
etc,
etc.
J
If
we
need
to
hold
a
special
meeting
in
between,
we
might
need
to
scramble,
but
the
the
best
thing
to
do
is
to
get
this
on
everybody's
calendars
far
in
advance.
I
think
two
hours
is
probably
a
good
amount
of
time
just
based
on
the
meaty
subjects
that
we're
talking
about
so
keep
an
eye
out
for
that
and
unless
any
members
of
the
subcommittee
have
any
last
burning
items
to
raise.