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1. Call to Order
4.
Written Comments Received via Email
5. New Business
Proposal Review
Schedule Next Meeting
6. Chairperson's Choice
7. Committee Member's Choice
8. Adjourn
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C
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B
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A
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C
A
B
A
B
Andrea,
okay,
thank
you
yeah,
so
I
we
did
get
the
two
proposals.
Those
were
sent
out
to
the
committee
members
and
with
the
cost
information
summarized
in
separate
sheets,
so
I
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
each
of
those
just
to
go
over
them.
So
we
did
receive
two
proposals:
one
from
waste
management,
one
from
republic
services.
Those
were
the
two
that
we
received
in
the
last
go-around.
B
A
B
B
B
B
B
B
Kind
of
some
things
that
we
did
not
anticipate
receiving
so
we'll
start
we'll
actually
start
with
the
waste
management's
proposal.
So
I'm
just
going
to
pull
that
up
here
and
basically,
I
think
what
was
present
in
both
of
them
was
either.
They
did
not
bid
on
certain
items
or
they
provided
additional
information
where
maybe
we
hadn't
necessarily
anticipated
that
and
I'll
give
you
some
specifics
as
we
walk
through
that.
B
A
B
B
B
What
I
think
waste
management
did
a
good
job
is
really
addressing
each
of
our
goals
in
here
and
how
they
were
going
to
achieve
that
through
their
their
proposal.
So
they
tie.
Let
me
find
an
example
here.
They
tie
some
of
our
goals
in
boxes
back
to
actually
where
the
those
goals
and
then
how
they
were
going
to
achieve
that.
So
I'll
find
an
example
here,
the
so
here's
the
part.
B
So
this
is
where
they're
going
through
and
talking
about
different
things
that
they've
noticed
and
where
they
want
to
basically
negotiate
different
items
related
to
the
contract
and
or
how
we
would
lay
out
the
program.
So
again,
I'll
just
hit
the
highlights
here.
But
this
is
one
item
that
we
had
talked
about
as
a
group
and
I
believe,
chair
green-
you
had
brought
this
up
specifically.
Is
this
termination
for
convenience,
so
waste
management
is
in
the
contract.
B
It
does
say
that
there
would
be
that
the
city
may
terminate
the
contract
upon
providing
a
day,
written
notice
for
cause,
and
we
I
had
gone
back
to
the
city
attorney
on
that
or
the
city
attorney's
office,
to
talk
about
that
at
the
committee's
direction,
and
I
think
this
is
a
point
that
we
can
certainly
negotiate
with
them.
But
at
the
time
the
city
attorney's
office
did
want
to
leave
that
in
there
is
the
convenience
aspect
or.
D
E
C
B
B
C
B
I'm
sure
they
they're
they've
found
all
kinds
of
circumstances
and
situations
that
we
haven't
even
thought
about.
So
again,
I
think
some
of
these
are
are
certainly
negotiable.
So
here's
a
big
point,
though,
that
I
want
to
point
out
so
after
the
initial
year
of
service,
the
city
will
allow
customers
to
opt
out
of
the
program.
B
So
if
you
recall
where
the
way
we
said
it
was
that
everybody
has
to
participate
at
least
that
first
year,
to
kind
of
set
the
baseline
give
them
give
the
haulers,
something
to
you
know
know
have
a
kind
of
a
constant
that
they
can
assume
and
then
after
year,
one
that
people
would
be
allowed
to
opt
out,
and
then
I
included
at
the
language
that
you
should
assume
about
a
two
percent
opt
out
rate
beginning
in
year.
Two
that's
and
the
two
percent
was
in
line
with
what
golden
was
seeing.
B
D
B
We
have
to
because
I
think
so,
let's
say
we
you're
still
going
to
get
those
notices.
We
can't
we're
the
cost,
for
that
is
really
to
to
manage
the
program,
and
so,
even
if
you
opt
out,
then
you're
we're
managing
that
account
to
some
degree
and
still
doing
the
mailings
and
the
notices
and
all
of
that,
so
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
distinguish
between
homes
that
opt
out
and
don't
opt
out.
We
still
have
to
manage
them
in
some
fashion.
D
B
B
So
we
would
like
to
add
language
that
if
more
than
10
percent
of
original
customers
opt
out
that
they
would
be,
we
would
basically
renegotiate
the
price
increase
to
be
because
they're
losing
efficiency
and
revenue.
So
I
think
again,
you
know
that's
probably
on
the
table.
If
we
had
that
high
of
an
opt-out
rate
and
again,
we
just
have
no
clue
of
how
many
people
might
opt
out
at
this
point.
A
I
mean
honestly,
I
my
perception
is
that
that's
fairly
reasonable?
I
mean
the
whole
point
of
this
should
be
to
provide
a
service.
That's
the
best
deal
that
anyone's
going
to
get
and
how
could
another
provider
provide
a
better
deal
for
just
a
small
subset
of
the
whole
city?
I
don't
think
it'd
necessarily
be
possible,
so
this
is
an
incentive
for
the
program
to
be
attractive
to
citizens,
and
you
know
I
don't
know,
that's
just
my
thought
and
anyone
else.
A
D
D
A
I
mean
I've
got
a
million
thoughts
too,
and
I
think
all
of
us
have
you
know,
there's
a
whole
bunch
that
we're
going
to
need
to
address,
but
let's
try
to
keep
it
to
whatever,
where
we're
at,
because
we'll
have
time
to
talk
about
cost.
We'll
have
time
to
talk
about
everything,
but
if
we
keep
it
specific
to
what
we're
going
through
as
we
go
through,
and
I
get
that
there's
a
relationship
between
what
you
said
in
the
opt-out.
D
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E
E
Yeah,
well,
we
don't
say
no
forget
about
it,
we're
still
going
to
send
it
to
city,
council
and
they'll
debate.
You
know
whether
or
not
they're
still
going
to
probably
look
at
both
of
them
regardless
and
they'll,
discuss
amongst
themselves
and
study
in
their
study
council
sessions
and
they'll
talk
to
their.
You
know
constituents
whether
or
not
they
want
to
move
forward
with
it,
but
I
don't
think
tonight's
outcome
is
going
to
be
just
let's
just
forget
about
it.
E
I
think
we
so
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
good.
You
know
study
in
you
know
what
we
can
get
for
tonight
and-
and
I
just
want
to
make
that
clarification-
I
don't
think
we're
here
to
say
no
forget
about
it
because
remember
cost
isn't
our
only
objective
and
goal
in
this
situation.
It
was
also
getting
trucks
off
the
street.
B
So
the
intent
would
be.
Is
that
we're
presenting
the
information
to
the
citizens
committee?
You
can
certainly
make
a
recommendation
of
how
we
move
forward,
but
the
intent
would
be.
Is
that
we'd
still
solicit
public
input,
so
the
intent
or
the
request
by
city
council
was
that
we
do
another
survey
so
not
once
now
that
we
have
actual
costs
to
go
back
to
the
community
and
say:
okay,
are
you
willing
to
pay
about
this
dollar
amount
and
also
then,
with
these
levels
of
service?
D
B
B
Yeah,
we
could
certainly
provide
a
write-in
option
as
well
and
make
that
available.
You
know,
as
we
send
out.
Usually
what
we'll
do
is:
do
a
social
media
post
of
some
sort,
saying
hey,
go
to
this
link
and
fill
out
the
the
survey,
and
then
in
that
message
we
could
say.
If
you
want
a
written
survey,
we
could
mail
one
to
you
or
you
could
come
into
city
hall.
We
could
offer
those
options.
Do.
B
D
Going
back
to
the
the
line
item
on
page
15.,
I'm
just
going
to
play
devil's
advocate,
I
think
I
agree
with
both
christine
and
carson
on
this
that
in
the
long
term,
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
that.
But
if
someone
was
to
make
a
strategic
lost
decision
to
knowingly
take
a
loss
for
the
first
one
or
two
years
just
to
take
the
program,
it
could
be
a
possibility.
So
I
just
wanted
to
throw
that
out.
It's
kind
of
just
playing
a
devil's
advocate.
A
A
You
know
that
it's
not
clear
if
they're
saying
that
they
will
provide
waste
and
recycling
at
the
alley
universally
or
not,
because
they
have
that
limited
language
in
there
and
they
have
like
six
pages
of
trying
to
push
us
away
from
it,
and-
and
I
know
that
that's
a
very
critical
thing
for
a
large
portion
of
the
citizens.
So
I
want
to
point
that
out
that
that
starts
right
in
the
cover
letter
that
they're
trying
to
reject
ali.
B
Exactly
so
yeah
we'll
and
we'll
get
to
that
in
the
proposal
here,
but
that
is
a
major
and
and
and
the
way
that
the
pricing
was
presented
is
that
it's
either
with
you
know,
with
curb
only
or
outside
in
front
of
the
house
versus
so
no
alley
service
versus
limited
alley
service.
So
it's
really
yeah
waste.
Management's
proposal
is
centered
around
the
idea
that
they
would
like
to
or
prefer
to
have
all
street
side
pick
up.
C
Caught
I
caught
the
same
thing,
and
we
just
heard
from
so
many
people
that
alley
pickup
is
important,
at
least
as
high
as
a
priority,
almost
as
cost
it
seemed
like
they
were.
You
know
wishing
we
could
do
all
curbside,
but
given
that
we
probably
won't,
it
also
seemed
like
they
would
want
to
encourage
as
many
households
as
possible
to
go
to
curbside,
even
if
they
do
offer
the
alley
service.
It's
just
apparently
quicker
and
cheaper.
C
The
more
houses
that
are
on
the
curb
compared
to
the
alley
and
it
seemed
like
they
were
willing,
still
willing
to
do
alleys
because
they
noticed
that
I
think
down
where
they
said
what
trucks
they
would
use
to
service
and
and
they
they
indicated
there,
that
the
trucks
that
they
would
use
would
be
alley.
Alliable
trucks.
C
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E
A
E
A
B
Yeah-
and
I
think
that's
a
point
that
we're
gonna
have
to
clarify
so
to
me,
I
didn't,
and
I
took
no
text
out-
there
is
no
text
removed,
just
the
costs.
So
what
you
received
is
is
everything
that
we
got
in
terms
of
text,
but
they
don't
really
define
what
limited
ali
service
means.
So
I
think
that's
a
point
to
go
back
and
clarify,
and
I'm
sure
we'll
have.
What
I
was
going
to
do
is
generate
a
list
of
questions
for
both
proposers
and
then
go
back
and
meet
with
them.
B
B
So
they
just
talk
about
some
additional
language
here,
related
to
how
how
they
define
contamination.
That
should
be
no
problem.
So
here
is
where
waste
management's
proposal
assumes
that
the
city
will
not
publicly
disclose
its
proposal,
including
pricing
until
the
city
has
made
an
award
to
one
entity.
This
is
this
is
why
I
was
working
with
the
city
attorney's
office.
A
B
D
B
So
none
of
these
are
really
so
here's
here's
an
additional
thing,
so
this
is
actually
both
proposers
are
requesting
that
they
we
changed
the
index
from
the
denver,
aurora
lakewood
cpi
to
the
one
there's
a
national
one
for
water
sewer
and
trash
collection.
So
again
we
did
talk
about
this
and
we
landed
on
the
denver,
aurora
lakewood,
but
both
companies
want
to
use
this
kind
of
a
different
metric,
and
so
again
I
don't
know
that
we
see
that
as
an
issue
as
long
as
there's
some
standard
that
we're
weighing
that
against,
because.
A
C
A
B
So
the
there's
some
changes
here
for
the
penalty
amounts
that
we
talked
about
so
they're
saying
that
they
believe
some
of
the
penalty
amounts
are
excessive
and
basically,
don't
have
a
nexus
to
what
the
actual
harm
would
be.
So
there's
just
some
some
language
in
here
that
you
know
we
can
talk
about
that.
If
that's
acceptable
or
not,
you
know
we
were
at
for
this
item.
6
is
was
actually
five
thousand
dollars
per
day,
they're
recommending
that
be
2500,
inadvertent
errors.
How
how
do
we
define
that?
B
A
Yeah,
you
guys,
I
mean
the
city
staff,
put
a
lot
of
effort
into
that
before
we
even
participated,
and
I
mean
my
thought
on
that
is
for
them
to
nickel
and
dime
that
the
whole
point
of
those
penalties
is
to
make
them
draconian
enough
that
they
don't
violate
them.
That
they're
important
enough,
that
they
just
don't
violently
for
a
company,
as
giant
as
waste
management,
to
be
trying
to
knock
these
down.
A
D
B
B
A
B
B
Yeah,
so
this
this
attachment
a
there's.
There
is
so
we
include
the
draft
our
draft
standard
contract,
so
they're
just
saying
that
there's
a
large
number
of
incomplete
sections,
so
yes,
there
would
be.
You
know,
we'd
have
to
go
back
and
through
that
with
whoever
is
selected.
If
we
select
a
firm
to
work
through
those
details,
so
I
don't.
B
Yeah
and
and
both
of
them-
and
it
is
it's
true-
both
of
them
are
our
standard
contract-
speaks
more
to
construction
than
it
does
for,
like
an
ongoing
service
contract
like
this
out
in
the
right
of
way.
So
I
think
again
talking
to
the
city
attorney's
office,
there's
room
to
to
modify
that
language.
There.
C
B
Okay,
so
they
had
just
some
language
about
what
is
acceptable
and,
what's
not
in
terms
of
really
defining
what
is
recyclable,
and
I
guess
I
didn't
really
have
an
issue
with
that.
This
will
be
part
of
how
we
market
the
program
and
and
really
inform
and
educate
people
about
what
is
recyclable
and,
what's
not
so,
I
guess,
having
this
clarified
in
the
contract.
A
B
D
B
B
B
Waste
management
proposes
to
move
collection
from
englewood's
alleys,
to
the
curb,
as
automated
collection
is
leading
the
way
and
pushing
the
waste
service
industries
forward.
So
I
get
that
there's
benefits
there.
I
think
the
question
is
so
when
they
talk
about
where
feasible,
you
know
we're
not,
as
we've
talked
about,
we've
got
people
who
physically
can't
use
the
alley
and
physically
can't
use
the
street.
So
you
know
there's
just
some.
B
Even
if
people
wanted,
perhaps
to
you,
you
know,
would
be
okay
with
using
the
street.
They've
got
a
lot
for
whatever
reason
that
they
cannot
bring
them
to
the
front
or
their
guard.
Their
garage
faces
out
towards
the
alley
and
they're
not
going
to
to
negotiate
it
around
through
the
yard
out
to
the
front
or
they
don't
have
a
sidewalk,
even
that
may
take
it
from
the
rear
yard
to
the
front.
B
So
I
think
to
your
point
that
you
know
we're
still
looking
at
some
level
of
alley
service
within
the
city
as
much
as
you
know,
we
could
probably
be
okay
with
encouraging
people
to
use
the
street
side
there.
We
know
that
there's,
probably
gonna,
be
a
fair
number
of
people
that
are
still
gonna,
want
to
use
the
alley
and
or
and
or
need
to
use
the
alley.
A
And
it
shouldn't
be
based
on
need
it
really.
I
mean
we
know
that
from
our
our
community
meetings,
that
that
was
the
most
brought
up
issue,
and
I
mean
it's
funny
how
they
talk
about
it
being
aesthetic
to
put
the
trash
out
on
the
curb
and
in
front
of
everyone's
house.
I
mean,
I
think
more
people
would
argue
that
it's
more
aesthetic
to
have
the
trash
and
recycling
be
on
the
alley
when
it's
available,
so
I
mean
as
long
as
there's
whatever
this
encouragement
is.
A
Doesn't
you
know
in
any
way
prevent
someone
who
has
an
alley
from
using
it
for
both?
Then
you
know
they
can
encourage
it
all
they
want,
but
you
know
what
I
mean
like
it
needs
to
be.
I
mean
that's
one
of
the
most
critical
things
that
we
all
identified
throughout
the
entire
process
is
that
ali's
service
must
be
available
for
both.
C
I
interpreted
the
aesthetics
thing,
even
though
it
looks
written
like
you
said,
chair
green,
I
was
guessing.
They
meant
that
it's
more
aesthetic
to
have
everyone
having
kind
of
matching
carts
out
on
the
street
on
the
same
exact
day
as
opposed
to
a
bunch
of
separate
trash
bags
and
little
trash
cans
and
so
forth.
On
this.
A
B
B
B
B
B
D
B
Yeah,
so
this
was
all
fairly
standard
stuff.
So
here's
where
we
get
into
this
value
share
program,
and
I
think
again,
as
I
read
through
this,
I
think
there's
some
more
discussion
that
can
be
had
because
I'd
like
to
understand
a
little
bit
more
about.
Basically,
I
think
what
it's
doing
is
it's
a
sharing
of
the
risk
between
the
city
and
the
company.
B
So
instead
of
you
know
basically
taking
everything
and
and
to
your
point,
member
brinker
about
the
changing
environment
for
recycling
and
just
whether
these
materials
have
any
value
or
not.
Is
that
they're
kind
of
hedging
their
bets
and
saying
if
it
continues
to
either
go
up
or
go
down?
You
know
that
somehow
we're
going
to
share
in
that
risk
with
them
and
the
price.
B
That
was
my
assumption,
but
maybe
not-
and
I
couldn't
really
follow
this
table.
I
know
they
included
this
example
here,
but
I
really
couldn't
quite
follow
that.
So
I
think
having
them
walk
me
through
this.
Maybe
and
getting
some
of
those
answers
would
help
sorry.
Member
brown,
I
remember
happened.
I
said
you
raised
your
hand.
E
D
E
Sort
yeah
and
the
price
of
recyclables:
this
is
a
tough
one.
I
would
just
ask
for
the
clarification
but
yeah.
I
don't
like
that.
That
cost
is
being
passed
on
to
us.
When
I
don't
know,
I
would
think
that
I
would
need
to
know
again
more
specifics.
If
it's,
it
was
vague,
do
they
mean?
Is
it
the
cost
of
recyclables
or
is
it
the
fact
that
people
don't
sort
you
know
so
yeah?
A
And
they
do
have
a
whole
separate
section
later
on
about
the
sorting
I
didn't
take
this
to
be
related
to
sorting.
I
took
this
to
be
related
to
what,
assuming
that
it's
already
sorted,
whatever
the
materials
they
end
up
with,
if
they
have,
if
it
costs
them
more
to
recycle
them
that
they're
trying
to
pass
that
difference,
or
I
guess,
share
that
difference
with
the
city
which
could
affect
the
citizen
cost
as
well.
At
least
that
was
my
interpretation.
B
D
A
B
A
C
B
So
then
we
move
into
this
section
about
the
vehicles
so
they're,
using
the
smart
truck
technology,
which
was
interesting
and
basically
using
a
camera
to
collect
data
and
kind
of
video
video
taping
what's
happening
as
they
collect
the
materials.
So
they
can
look
for
contamination.
That
sort
of
thing.
A
I
thought
it
was
interesting.
I
don't
remember
which
proposal
it
was,
but
one
of
them
talked
about,
like
the
lid
being
more
than
10
inches
up
from
the
surface
of
the
can
multiple
times
that
would
ding
somebody
and
then
after
multiple,
no
two
notifications,
then
they'd
be
fined.
I
mean
I
think
that
that
all
seemed
reasonable.
It's
interesting
that
they
have
it
automated.
A
E
D
B
That's
what
I
don't
understand,
so
you
know,
I
think
part
of
this
was
having
consistency
in
your
bill
every
month,
so
that
we
wouldn't
have
this
kind
of
fluctuating
rate.
And,
of
course
we
don't.
The
intent
for
the
city
was
that
we
operate
this
with
no
profit
so
or
do
we
have
to
build
up
like
a
reserve
so
that,
if
we're
in
a
month
where
we
pay
more
for
recycling
that
we
can
take
from
that
balance,.
C
C
A
Yeah,
if
they
can
track
it
per
resident,
it
makes
sense
that
that
that
that
would
be
per
plus.
We
know
that
there's
per
resident
capability
for
the
you
know
the
bulk,
pickup
and
overages
and
like
special,
so
we
know
that
there
is
going
to
be
a
pass
through
two
individual
citizens
that
that
capability
will
be
there.
So
I
that's
why
I
assumed
it
was
a
direct
to
the
citizen
penalty.
If
you
got
flagged
what
three
times,
that's
what.
B
A
B
B
A
B
Yeah,
that's
another,
it's
another
trip,
then
that
would
be
the
only
downside.
I
know
you
can
buy
those
or
somehow
get
those
at
like
home
depot
and
then
you
pay
basically
to
have
them
pick
it
up,
but
at
least
giving
that
space
dimension.
Somehow
you
know
we
can
make
that
part
of
our
education
campaign
about
okay.
You
know
if
you,
if
the
like,
they
say
the
back
of
a
pickup
truck.
You
know
if
you
can
rough
that
out
in
your
yard,
and
maybe
we
can
do
something
around
helping
people
educate
them
on
that.
A
B
No,
so
this
would
be
the
two
times
per
year.
You
can
call
them
up.
It
can
be
any
day
that
you
want,
or
you
know
it,
doesn't
it's
not
going
to
be
like
june
and
november.
It
could
be
whatever
works
for
you,
you
would
call
them
up
and
they
would
say.
Oh,
we
can
pick
it
up
next
week
and
then
you
would
be
able
to
put
out
as
much
as
you
wanted
within
this
four
by
four
foot
area.
B
D
A
A
Our
votes
and
we
requested
the
bulk
thing
and
the
the
the
10
bags
a
year
was
kind
of
a
separate
thing
in
rfp.
My
impression
of
what
waste
management
responded
with.
Is
they
basically
ignored
the
the
10
bag
thing
per
year
that
that
you
could
pass
around
and
share
with
your
neighbors
that?
But
they
did
respond
to
the
bulk
on
requests
twice
a
year
with
larger
amount
that
they'll
take
than
what
we
even
asked
for,
and
then
they
did
include
the
optional
yard
waste.
A
Yeah,
so
we
don't
know
what
that
subscription
would
be,
but
that
would
be
an
add-on
for
regular
access
to
do
yard
waste
that
gets,
and
you
know
it
doesn't
go
to
the
landfill
it.
It
gets.
I
guess
composted,
but
it
it
so
they've
left
out
the
10
bag
thing.
At
least
that
was
my
impression
of
waste
management.
D
D
D
D
B
B
D
A
A
B
B
D
B
So
if
we
let's
say
we
staffed
it,
city
staff
had
this
at
a
park
and
people
could
drive
through
and
dump
dump
their
yard
waste
in
it.
That's
what
we
did
at
commerce
city.
It
was
very,
very
successful.
We
did
it
in
the
spring
and
again
in
the
fall,
and
so
really
we're
just
paying
waste
management
to
pick
those
dumpsters
up
at
the
end
of
the
event.
It's
very
it's
really
a
positive
thing.
B
I
don't
know
if
any,
if
any
of
you
guys
heard
about
the
we
do
those
leaf
pickups
with
the
city
of
littleton,
and
it
was
we
had
400
and
some
cars
at
the
second
one.
I
guess
this
year,
so
a
lot
of
people
were
looking
to
get
rid
of
their
leaves,
and
it
was
just
a
really
very
popular
event.
So
this
would
be
doing
something
on
probably
even
a
larger
scale
than
that.
C
Brinker,
that's
what
my
question
was
about
if
we're
already
doing
a
couple
of
those
yard,
waste
events
or
leaf
pickup
events,
I
think,
through
the
former
keeping
with
beautiful
right-
that's
not
in
our
monthly
bills.
I
guess
it's
in
our
general
tax
dollars,
and
so
this
would
be
on
top
of
those
couple
of
events
per
year
like
if
we
wanted
to
offer
more
than
those
or
would
you
assume
those
would
go
away?
I
don't
get
the
interaction
between
us.
B
Okay,
that
really
even
regardless
of
these,
because
I
don't
think
we
had
gotten
the
proposals
yet
you
know
we
were
already
talking
about
expanding
it
for
next
year,
the
leaf
collection,
just
because
so
many
people
participated
so
one
way
or
the
other.
I
think
we
would
look
to
be
expanding
on
what
we're
already
providing.
D
B
A
C
C
A
Yeah
because
we
specified
that
I
mean
we
neither
of
them
accepted
like
the
rfp
said
email,
I
think
it.
It
was
kind
of
overly
specific
on
that,
and
but
it's
really
more
about
that
citizens
at
any
point
without
a
time
line,
are
able
to
submit
a
request
and
it
becomes
the
responsibility
of
the
hauler
to
get
back
to
the
citizen
within
a
day
without
them
waiting,
I
mean
we
we
put
effort
into
defining
that
in
the
rfp
and
neither
of
the
proposals
specifically
say
they'll.
Do
that.
E
Yeah,
I'm
just
gonna,
I
I'm
gonna,
I'm
not
trying
to
defend
trash
companies
or
anything,
but
I'm
just
gonna
state
that,
of
course
we
want
impeccable
customer
service,
but
I
don't
think
we
need
to
require
that
they
staff
it
24
7
or
on
weekdays
weekends,
because
we
don't
this,
isn't
like
a
cell
phone
service.
We
don't
have
trash
emergencies.
Do
we
I
mean
it
is
something
that
can
wait
till
monday
and
maybe
you
could
call
before
you
go
to
work
or
after
work.
A
Yeah,
I
think
that
makes
sense
as
far
as
like
they're
responding
within
a
day
I
mean,
I
guess
a
business
day
is
perfectly
reasonable
for
that.
But
the
point
is
that
you
don't
have
to
wait
on
a
live
chat
or
a
a
phone
call
for
someone
to
connect
to
you
to
get
your
request
out
that
you
can
submit
your
request
and
without
waiting
for
anything,
submit
it,
and
then
it's
on
them
to
get
back
to
you
and
one
business
day
seems
reasonable.
B
B
Then
they
talk
about
how
they
would
help
us
with
the
transition
plan,
which
I
think
will
certainly
be
a
challenge,
knowing
that
everybody
is,
has
different
companies
currently
just
that
communication
process.
So
I
thought
they
did
a
nice
job
of
laying
this
out.
Obviously,
they've
probably
been
through
it
before
in
multiple
locations
and
have
good
experience
and
how
to
do
this.
B
D
A
D
B
B
A
B
B
A
D
Okay,
I
noticed
that
they
mentioned
that
they're
essentially
exchanging
out
their
diesel-powered
trucks
for
the
natural
gas
ones.
So
maybe
a
more
aesthetically
pleasing
sounds
like
they're,
replacing
that
part
of
their
their
fleet,
and
they
also
mentioned
later
on
that
they're
at
least
looking
at
electrified
vehicles.
At
least
they
addressed
that
which
was
nice.
C
Yeah
I
was,
I
was
impressed
that
they
they
heard
that
this
is
something
that
we
were
concerned
about,
or
it's
kind
of
a
priority
and
and
took
time
to
address
it,
and-
and
I
could
tell
that
that
they
are
on
the
ball,
with
keeping
track
of
how
electric
trucks
are
coming
along
and
are
interested
in
pilot
programs
and
incentives
and
taking
kind
of
a
measured
approach
to
move
in
that
direction,
and
I
also
like
that.
Well,
cng
is
better
than
than
diesel,
so
it
seemed
like
moving
in
the
right
direction.
B
A
C
D
B
E
B
B
B
A
All
right,
so
when
just
a
question
about
the
other
haulers
I
mean
when
we
met
with
waste
connections,
they
said
the
reason
they
didn't
respond
to.
The
original
rfp
was
specifically
about
the
requirement
that
it
went
through
the
inglewood
clearing
center
or
whatever.
It's
called
and
matt
went
away
in
this
rfp
right,
but
they
still
didn't
respond,
and
we
really
don't
know
why.
B
A
E
D
E
A
B
A
B
A
B
A
D
B
D
B
B
D
B
B
B
I
think
there's
really
anything
here
that
came
up
that
kind
of
caught
my
attention
until
we
get
to
the
annual
rate
adjustment.
So
again
you
can
see
here
that
they're
recommending
or
requesting
they're
proposing.
Excuse
me
I'll
use
the
right
verb
that
the
annual
rate
adjustment
be
based
on
the
water
sewer
trash
cpi.
D
D
B
D
B
B
B
B
C
C
E
C
C
B
So
they
do
so
in
lieu
of
the
voucher
program
they're
proposing
that
they
would
do
the
two
drop
off
events
similar
to
the
yard,
waste
events,
but
also
for
large
items.
So
again,
you'd
be
you
would
have
to
put
that
in
a
vehicle
and
bring
it
to
like
a
park
or
the
service
center
or
something
to
dispose
of
that.
B
B
D
C
C
A
C
D
D
One
of
the
things
I
was
thinking
too
is:
it
might
actually
be
ada
the
disabilities
act,
because
you
have
to
make
reasonable
accommodations
for
people
with
disabilities
and
that
would
apply
to
elderly.
It
would
apply
to
people
with
any
other
physical
disability
and
something
like
picking
up
garbage
from
you
know
next
to
the
garage
and
bringing
it
out.
That's
a
reasonable
accommodation.
D
D
D
B
Yeah,
I'm
sorry,
I
screw
that
up
with
everybody
all
the
time,
but
I
think
it's
where
they
at
the
end
there,
where
they
charge.
Basically
it's
375
dollars
for
each
30-yard
trash
roll-off.
That
was
my
the
way
I
interpreted
this
is
that
the
additional
fees
are
for
then
the
the
cost
for
them
to
pick
up
those
deliver
and
pick
up
those
large
containers
and
similarly
to
what
we
were
talking
about
before
that.
B
If
we
stay,
if
city
staff
staffed
it,
you
know,
there'd
be
no
cost
for
that.
But
if,
if
waste
management
or
republic
staffed
it,
then
there
would
be
some
costs
associated
with
their
time
as
well,
but
I
can
certainly
clarify
that
too
so
you're
not
going
to
be
charged
a
fee
to
drop
something
off
at
that
event,.
B
B
B
A
D
B
B
You
know
amount
around
21
to
23
dollars,
regardless
of
whether
they
provided
service
or
not,
and
I
just
think
that's
a
non-starter.
So
you
know
that
was
certainly
not
our
intent.
I
understand
where
they're
coming
from
that
they're
basing
their
prices
on
the
economies
of
scale
basically,
but
why
would
you?
Why
would
we
agree
to
that?
I
guess
right.
I.
B
D
E
E
D
E
A
B
A
B
D
A
D
D
D
B
A
Oh
yeah,
they
did
say
email,
but
just
the
whole.
The
same
thing
I
just
wrote
the
same
thing
for
both,
neither
of
them
specify
citizens
can
submit
requests
without
waiting
for
a
response
and
that
it's
the
haulers
responsibility
to
get
back
to
citizen
within
one
day
is
what
our
rfp
said.
But
I,
I
think
what
member
hubkis
said
about
one
business
day
is
reasonable.
A
C
B
B
B
A
Related
to
recycling,
but
I
think
it's
in
their
exceptions-
and
maybe
this
is
their
way
of
dealing
with
that
what
waste
management
did
with
their
whole
recycling
cost
sharing
thing,
but
republic
had
changes
in
market
conditions
and
they
mentioned
recycling
potentially
going
to
landfill
if
certain
conditions
happened.
I
thought
that
was
something
worth
bringing
up.
A
C
B
I
did
not
really
again-
I
went
over
these
just
briefly
with
the
city
attorney's
office
and
didn't
really
see
anything
here
that
caused
a
huge
red
flag.
So
again,
we
would
have
to
negotiate
some
of
the
terms
of
the
contract.
They
mention
here
again
that
this
seems
more
geared
to
construction,
the
one
that
was
in
the
rfp
so.
B
A
B
Yeah
and
then-
and
it
does
go
on
to
say
that
if
they
find
unacceptable
ways
that
they
can
refuse
it,
which
is
reasonable,
you
know
that
they
would
leave
it
at
the
curb,
but
I
don't
know
how
you
can
have
you
can
acquire
title
without
then
taking
on
the
responsibility,
I
don't
know,
maybe
it's
just
some
way
to
go
back
against
if
they
do
discover
it
and
then
know
somehow
who
put
it
in
there
that
they
can
go
back
for
damages.
Maybe
so
I.
D
D
C
B
Yeah,
I
think
that's
that's
too
broad,
so
we
we,
I
think
we
all
know
that
plastics
is
a
question
mark
and
that
it
may
change
over
time.
You
know
the
the
number
on
the
packaging
they
may
accept
fewer
of
those
in
the
future,
but
just
to
wholesale
say
that
you're
not
going
to
or
you're
going
to
dump
everything
in
the
landfill
is
a
little
excessive.
D
B
B
B
B
B
Waste
hauling
truck,
but
again
like
in
the
back
of
the
rec
center.
We
have
this
situation
actually
right
now,
where
we've
got
a
long,
narrow
driveway
they
back
in
to
to
pick
up
the
dumpster
and
we
have
a
catch
basin
back
there,
storm
water
catch
basin
and
it's
just
deteriorated
around
there
from
the
weight
of
the
trucks
rolling
over
that.
So
now
we
have
to
replace
the
manhole
because
of
that,
because
it's
kind
of
broken
down
the
pavement
and
the
concrete
around
that
edge-
and
it's
like
we
don't
drive
anything
else
back
there.
D
A
B
So
I
know
that
I
believe
waste
management
checked
all
these
boxes
as
not
being
an
issue,
but
you
can
see
they
did
not
check
some
of
the
boxes
here,
especially
for
excess
liability,
which
is
probably
the
biggest
one
so
number
four
there
as
well.
As
you
know,
we're
probably
less
concerned
about
the
technology,
errors
and
omissions,
but
we
are.
A
B
D
A
A
B
A
Thank
you
so
schedule
next
meeting
is
the
next
thing
on
our
agenda
now.
The
timeline
that
you've
got
put
together
for
this
is
that
it's
pretty
aggressive,
especially
for
end
of
year
december
holiday
time.
What
are
you
thinking
about
how
aggressive
we
need
to
meet
to
to
you
know,
take
next
steps
on
this.
B
Well,
we
wouldn't
do
anything
like
the
survey
or
anything
until
next
year,
so
we're
not
going
to
do
any
kind
of
public
outreach
until
after
january
1st,
so
we
I
would
suggest-
maybe
we
have
another
meeting
before
christmas
and
then
we
probably
should
do
the
the
scoring
or
the
rating
and
or
we
can
you
can
have
staff
direct
staff
to
do
that.
Remember
we
had
the
hundred
point
criteria,
so
we
could
fill
that
out
based
on
the
feedback
from
from
you
or
you.
B
If
you
guys
want
to
do
that
individually,
we
could
do
that
either
way
and
then
so,
if
we
could
have
one
more
meeting
before
christmas,
I
think
to
go
through
the
pricing
and
then
I
would
like
to
have
those
set
up.
Those
conversations
with
the
two
proposers
get
that
feedback,
and
then
maybe
we
come
back
after
the
first
the
year.
You
can
get
that
feedback
and
then
set
any
other
recommendations
that
you
might
have
at
that
time
or
actions
before
we
roll
it
out
to
the
public.
A
A
D
B
A
D
D
D
D
A
C
I
can
summarize
it
in
case
anyone
hadn't
read
it
excel
is
interested
in
piloting,
more
electric
heavy
trucks,
and
they
know
that
that
includes
trash
trucks,
so
they're
offering
to
pay
a
couple
of
trash
haulers.
What
one
or
more
trash
haulers
to
essentially
buy
them
a
truck
an
electric
vehicle
in
exchange
for
testing
it
out,
getting
all
the
data
and
so
forth.
C
I
think
cities
can
apply.
I
think
private
companies
could
apply.
I
haven't
read
it
for
a
little
while,
but
it
sounds
promising
it's
promising
in
two
ways.
We
could
either
strongly
encourage
that
the
hauler
that
we
choose
or
all
of
england's
current
haul
is
to
go
after
it
or
we
can
just
feel
good
knowing
that
excel
and
the
companies
are
are
generally
working
on
this.