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A
C
Caught
off
guard
there,
I'm
here,
I
suppose
that's
what
we're
doing.
A
A
A
Staff
has
presented
an
overview
of
the
2022
proposed
budget
on
october
25th
2021
in
this
presentation,
along
with
the
proposed
budget,
are
available
at
city
of
evanston.org
budget.
I
hereby
convene
the
hearing
for
the
fy
22
proposed
budget
presentation
open.
We
will
start
with
public
comment
as
usual.
We'll
begin
with
those
who
signed
up
in
person,
starting
with
ray
friedman.
E
We
have
had
many
budget
questions
as
well
as
tiff
questions
that
have
not
been
addressed
or
resolved,
and
yet
these
items
are
on
tonight's
agenda
without
first
completing
these
discussions
and
plans
with
the
residents
who
are
paying
for
them.
The
residents
are
consistently
being
left
out
of
discussions,
planning
and
processes
in
making
these
critical
decisions
for
the
city
of
evanston
and
that
affect
our
own
lives.
E
E
You
could
have
had
one
two
or
three
nights
just
for
tiff
discussions
and
one
two
or
three
nights
for
budget
discussions
only
not
at
the
beginning
of
a
packed
agenda
before
city
council
meeting
where
you
will
cut
short
or
you
did
last
time
for
tiff
hearing,
cut
short
our
public
hearing
and
that's
at
the
heart
of
the
issues
or
I
guess
we
can
keep
talking
and
stay
here
all
night
and
please
stop
telling
us.
You
are
following
the
letter
of
the
law
when
you
are
consistently
violating
the
spirit
of
the
law.
E
E
E
You
can
be
part
of
the
solution
or
part
of
the
problem.
Now.
Having
said
all
that,
I
have
a
few
questions
about
the
budget
sp1
367
000
for
this
study.
Why?
Why
are
we
doing
that?
Ninety
five
thousand
dollars
for
consulting
services
on
a2?
Why
are
we
doing
that?
E
A9
and
a10
is
on
the
tiff
a15
is
on
the
tiff.
A16
is
on
the
tiff.
A17
is
on
the
tiff,
don't
know
how
much
we're
planning
to
borrow
to
start
the
tiff
where's
that
money
coming
from
we've
got.
E
We
spent
eight
million
dollars
on
james
park
on
a
lawsuit,
and
so
what's
the
resolution.
How
is
this
going
to
be
resolved?
Seven
million
dollars
on
fountain
square,
it
does
doesn't
work.
How
is
that
going
to
be
resolved
and
when
how
much
do
we
owe
in
go
bonds
now
and
how
much
will
we
owe
in
total?
E
After
you
add
all
of
the
new
millions
of
dollars
of
spending
how
much
debt
service
do
we
owe
I
believe,
last
year
I
think
it
was
24
million
in
debt
service
equaling
about
2
million
a
month,
and
it
looks
like
next
year,
if
my
guess
is
right,
it'll
be
about
3
million
a
month
or
about
36
million
a
year
just
in
debt
service.
E
I'm
sure
you
answered
the
question,
but
I
don't
know
what
the
answer
is
where
this
55
million
is
going
and
where
it's
coming
from,
how
many
employees
does
the
city
have
and
how
many
more
need
to
be
hired
last
count
there
was
over
800
employees
looks
like
we're
going
to
be
getting
up
to
900
employees.
E
This
is
not
looking
good
as
far
as
expenditures
go,
it
looks
like
it.
I
don't
want
to
say
you
know
that
it
looks
like
bankruptcy,
but
it
would
affect
our
credit
rating
borrowing
this
much
money
and
it's
not
a
good
idea.
It's
just
not
a
good
idea
and
having
a
discussion
with
the
public,
I
think,
is
crucial
to
you
know
to
having
a
meeting
of
the
minds
where
everybody
agrees
on.
Do
we
do
we
need
a
tiff
project
in
the
fifth
ward?
E
If
you
look
at
the
the
the
pictures
from
the
tiff
ward,
it
looks
like
from
I'm
sorry
from
the
fifth
ward.
The
pictures
that
are
shown
are
all
the
boarded
up
houses.
E
E
A
A
C
A
Sorry
so
I'm
I'm
being
corrected.
Mr
basilico,
were
you
signed
up
for
the
for
public
comment
or
the
budget
hearing.
F
Thank
you,
so
I've
been
absent.
I've
been
preoccupied,
yet
it
seems
that
in
the
blink
of
an
eye
the
new
council
has
transformed
in
large
part
into
the
old
tax
and
spend
council
council
members,
reid
and
burns
in
particular,
are
on
a
spending
spree
and
asking
for
tax
increases.
F
F
Why
are
we
proposing
a
budget
that
is
55
million
dollars
larger
than
it
was
last
year?
Where's
all
this
money
coming
from
and
why
is
it
necessary?
In
the
first
place,
the
fifth
ward
tiff
being
proposed
is
only
going
to
help
the
deep
pocket
developers
push
more
and
more
low-income
and
lower-income
middle-class
residents
out
of
evanston.
F
There
are
no
specific
plans.
Some
members
of
the
council
want
you
to
approve
the
tif
first
and
then
they'll
fill
in
the
blanks
later.
That's
not
the
way
to
do
it.
As
ray
mentioned,
there
needs
to
be
specific
plans,
lots
more
discussion
that
tiff
is
not
ready
to
be
approved
tonight
or
any
night
soon.
F
F
You
all
campaigned
on
accountability,
no
new
taxes,
controlling
spending
climate
change
actions,
as
did
major
mayor
bis,
now,
you're,
promoting
a
free
for
all
to
add
more
and
more
debt
and
taxes,
you're,
squandering
the
trust
that
voters
gave
you
ultimate
nuisma
you
want
to
increase.
I
mean
this
is
maybe
one
item
where
we
agree.
F
Both
of
those
are
ridiculously
low
numbers
for
such
a
serious
problem.
Yet
there
isn't
no
real
plan
as
to
what
that
money's
going
to
be
used
for
what?
What
are
the
action
items
to
spend
a
million
and
a
half
that
really
probably
should
be
more
like
10
million
out
of
the
arpa
funds,
the
city
just
spent
as
an
example.
F
F
F
F
A
Thank
you.
I
believe
that
concludes
the
in-person
sign-ups
for
the
budget.
Hearing
now
to
the
online
sign
up
from
miri
rosinski.
G
Thank
you
so
much
and
I
have
to
say
I
am
so
glad
ray
and
mike
said
what
they
said,
because
that
was
a
lot
of
what
I
I
wanted
to
say.
It
was
a
lot
of
what
I've
heard.
Other
people
in
evanston
want
to
say-
and
I
hope
all
of
you
sitting
on
you
know
up
there
really
listen
to
them
and
ask
those
questions.
G
The
other
thing
that
I
had
wanted
to
say
was,
as
I
reviewed
the
budget
and
off
for
robert
crown,
and
I've
watched
the
expenses
rise,
and
I
see
the
construction
problems
with
the
building.
I'm
really
asking
the
council,
in
the
name
of
financial
accountability,
immediately
initial
complete,
initiate
a
complete
financial
audit
on
the
robert
crown
project.
G
We
need
to
figure
out
what
has
happened
and
how
to
turn
this
project
around.
When
this
project
was
presenting,
it
was
going
to
be
losing
about
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year,
which
was
going
to
save
us
about
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
from
the
old
robert
crown
and
yet
given
covet
and
giving
all
that
other
stuff.
That
has
happened
the
expenses
next
year
that
are
projected
to
exceed
revenues
by
almost
two
million
dollars.
This
is
not
all
coveted
related.
G
It's
it's
things
like
calling
operating
revenue
donation
from
northwestern
a
donation
instead
of
calling
the
door
northwestern
wait.
Let
me
start
that
again,
the
nor
it's
an
example
of
calling
the
revenue
from
northwestern
to
use
the
facility
a
donation
instead
of
calling
it
revenue,
and
that
means
that
we
are
spending
money
that
should
have
gone
towards
expenses
and
the
friends
of
crown
and
other.
We
can
raise
more
money
and
that
money
can
go
towards
the
debt
service
and
the
maintenance
fund.
We
need
everything
to
fall
into
the
right
category.
G
It's
not
a
big
bucket
because
it
just
doesn't
work
that
way,
and
then
we
end
up
with
residents
having
to
pay
much
more.
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
quality
of
work.
We've
done,
we
don't
need
more
consultants.
We
need
better
people
in
our
city,
knowing
how
to
run
these
multi-million
dollar
projects
and
understanding
what
it's
going
to
take
before
we
embark
upon
them.
You
know,
as
far
as
robert
crown,
the
building
construction
has
warranties.
G
There
is
not
just
a
one-year
implied
construction
warranty,
there's
also
windows
have
10
and
20
year,
warranties
on
them,
and
I'm
sure
you
know
we
paid
bully
and
andrews
10
million
dollars
more
than
the
next
bidder
to
ensure
that
this
was
going
to
be
a
good
project.
I
am
sure
they
will
go
and
help
us
get
those
warranties
in
place
and
help
us
get
this
building
right.
We,
this
is
not
a
taxpayer
problem.
This
is
a
builder
problem.
Fountain
square
was
another
embarrassment
with
seven
million
dollars
and
two
years
later,
it's
broken
again.
G
It's
not
like
we're
cutting
costs
or
cheaping
out
on
the
on
the
amount
we
spend.
We
spend
top
dollar
and
we
don't
get
a
quality
finished
product,
and
this
happens
time
and
time
again,
and
this
has
to
stop.
We
have
to
have
people
on
staff
who
know
what's
going
on
someone
who's
going
to
follow
it
from
a
to
b,
to
see
who's
inspecting
it
and
making
sure
the
project's
not
wrapped
up
before
and
if
it's
before
it's
it's
time
to
be
wrapped
up.
G
There's
no
shame
in
not
knowing,
but
there
is
a
problem
when
people
don't
ask
the
questions
or
don't
reach
out,
we
have
so
many
great
people
in
the
city.
So
I
guess
and
we
need
to
stop
spending
so
much
money
on
consultants
and
then
there's
got
to
be
a
way.
We
can
run
this
city
with
well-qualified
staff
and
a
minimum
amount
of
consultants
and
projects
that
make
sense
and
to
mike's
point
I
think,
are
ray,
I'm
not
sure
which
one
talked
about
the
tiff.
G
But
this
whole
tiff
project
running
rushing
this
through
at
this
point
we're
creating
an
artificial
low
base
because
we
know
there's
projects,
buildings
that
are
going
to
be
coming
on
the
tax
roll
next
year,
they're
going
to
be
generating
five
six
and
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
more
in
city
tax
and
school
revenue,
and
yet
they
will
not
be
included
in
the
base
that
all
money
will
go
to
the
tiff,
and
these
are
decisions
that
are
not
healthy.
So
please
listen
to
those
guys.
H
So
mary
and
mike
and
ray
stole
my
thunder,
but
I'm
still
gonna
go
the
budget
presentation
last
monday
was
beyond
infuriating.
H
I
know
everyone
is
tired
of
hearing
about
robert
crown,
especially
now,
since
the
last
three
people
mentioned
it,
but
I
could
not
believe
what
I
heard
facilities
manor,
shot
manager,
sean
chulik
said
now
the
crown
is
fully
operating.
We
see
the
amount
of
maintenance
that
is
required
for
this
brand
new
building.
Grabber
crown
is
a
very
complex
and
technical
building
with
extensive
systems
throughout
director
lawrence
hemingway
said,
as
we
have
operated
this
facility
over
the
last
18
months,
we
have
come
to
realize
that
we
don't
have
enough
body.
H
H
The
2022
budget
includes
two
dedicated
full-time
high-level
maintenance
workers
at
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
per
year,
each
plus
a
regular
maintenance
worker
85
000
per
year.
These
are
not
requirements
that
we
should
learn
about.
After
the
fact,
any
competent
engineer
should
be
able
to
project
maintenance
requirements
and
build
the
costs
into
the
budget
protection.
H
H
The
contractors
presumably
want
to
do
business
with
the
city
of
evanston,
again
lean
on
them
to
make
good
on
their
warranty
again,
I
know
we're
tired
of
discussing
our
crown.
It's
beautiful.
It's
built
it's
water
under
the
bridge.
Clearly,
it's
not
water
off
the
bridge.
We
need
to
spend
almost
300
000
more
per
year
than
projected
on
maintenance
staff
alone,
not
to
mention
electricity,
to
use
a
well-worn
phrase.
The
city
needs
to
have
a
budget
that
reflects
its
values.
H
You've
all
said
it
now:
do
it
the
more
we
spend
on
big
shiny
objects
like
rubber
crown,
the
less
we
have
for
other
urgent
needs
like
affordable
housing,
economic
development,
climate
action
and
flight.
There
were
community
members
who
raised
their
voices
about
these
very
issues
related
to
robert
crown
before
it
was
built.
One
of
them
is
sitting
on
the
dice.
Others
speak
often
in
public
comment,
rather
than
dismiss
them
as
ignorant
and
foolish
it's
time
for
you
to
listen.
Thank
you.
A
A
That
sounded
terrifying.
We
are,
I'm
now
happy
to
entertain
questions
for
staff
or
comments
or
discussion
from
members
of
city
council
still
internal
to
the
budget.
Public
hearing.
C
Mayor
just
just
very
quickly,
I
just
want
to
set
the
record
straight.
I
voted
no
on
the
bonds
that
that
issue
just
yet
and
I
I
would
appreciate
having
follow-up
either.
You
know
individually
as
a
council
member
with
some
of
my
colleagues
with
some
of
the
speakers
today,
because
I'd
love
to
actually
hear
you
know,
suggestions
that
folks
have
and
and
productive
comments
that
folks
have
for
how
we
can
move
forward
with
the
2022
budget.
C
Particularly
given
you
know
at
the
last
meeting
I
asked
our
civil
engineer,
lord
biggs,
you
know
what
it
would
cost
to
actually
if
we
were
responsible
stewards
of
our
city's
infrastructure
and
assets
and
liabilities,
what
would
our
capital
funding
be
on
an
annual
basis
and
laura
responded?
Roughly
100
million
dollars
a
year,
we're
only
funding
at
about
65
million
dollars
a
year,
and
so,
if
you
know,
we've
got
a
lot
of
work
to
do
and
we've
got
to
raise
some
revenue
in
order
to
do
that.
C
I
think
you
know
robert
crown
and
other
you
know.
Projects
are
certainly
a
part
of
you
know
getting
our
fiscal
situation
under
control,
but
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
that
it
goes
far
beyond
you
know:
a
tif
robert,
a
single
building
or
even
a
single
issuance
of
bonds.
So
I'd
love
to
have
those
much
tougher
conversations
about
how
we
can
productively
and
responsibly
move
forward
as
a
council
in
a
city
relating.
I
Okay,
so
we
can
just
ask
specific
questions.
Is
this
on
the
budget
proposal?
Is
that
the
idea
sure,
let's
see
so
on
page
seven?
I
just
wanted
to
get
a
better
understanding
of
the
allocations
for
contact
tracers
for
575
thousand
dollars.
If
you
could
just
explain
it,
just
just
one
information,
I'm
not
I
just
don't
know,
do
we
have
a
contract
already
or
how?
Where
does
that
number
come
from.
K
K
Okay,
great
hello,
iko,
director
health
and
human
services
department.
That
request
is
to
keep
the
current
staff
that
we
have
who
are
conducting
contact
tracing
activities.
We
have
a
number
of
specialists
to
our
long-term
care
facilities.
These
are
facilities
where
we've
we
had
at
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic,
the
most
deaths.
So
we
continue
to
provide
constituents
and
administrators
at
these
facilities
with
infectious
disease
protocols
to
keep
them
successful
in
controlling
the
spread
of
government
19..
K
So
far,
these
individuals
have
been
paid
through
grants
that
we've
received
from
the
states
those
grants
actually
expire
november
and
december
of
this
year.
So
there
hasn't
been
any
grant
in
the
horizon
from
the
state
to
continue
this
work.
So
that's
why
I've
made
that
request
to
continue
to
keep
the
folks
who
have
been
responding
to
kobit
19
and
who
have
been
instrumental
in
our
efforts
to
keep
our
community
safe
and
healthy.
I
K
Okay,
currently,
we
have
grants
that
support
the
activities
that
we
have
provided
in
this
accord
and
that
request
is
just
for
staff
to
keep
staff
who
are
currently
responding
to
covert
activity.
K
I'll
have
to
look
into
into
that.
We
have
currently
seven
to
eight
contact
tracers
and
who
are
being
paid
close
about,
I
would
say,
40
to
50
000
a
year
to
do
contact
tracing,
and
this
doesn't
come
with
any
benefits.
K
So
if
you
add
that,
then
we
also
have
two
specialists,
as
I
mentioned,
to
our
long-term
care
facilities.
We
provide
guidance
guidelines
to
our
long-term
care
facilities
to
keep
them
successful
in
our
infectious
disease
protocols
and
strategies,
and
we
have
a
data
coordinator
and
keep
in
mind
also.
We
are
looking
maybe
for
housing,
because
housing
was
also
an
issue
at
the
height
of
the
pandemic,
of
where
people
can
isolate
it
effectively.
K
K
Well,
well,
we
we,
as
you
perhaps
know
we
received
a
grant
in
the
total
of
800
and
something
thousand
dollars
to
do
contact
tracing
and-
and
that
was
at
the
head
of
covet-
that
contract
pretty
much
that
grant
pretty
much
expires
at
this
december.
We've
pretty
much
expanded
that
money
for
all
the
activities
that
we've
been
able
to
provide.
K
We
currently
do
not
have
any
grants
from
the
state
if
we
want
to
continue
working
on
our
covered
activities.
Funding
is
necessary.
We
have
not
heard
from
idph
that
there
is
any
contact
tracing
funds
in
the
future.
Maybe
there
will
be
in
the
future,
but
it's
not
something
that
has
been
indicated
on
convey
to
me
so
far.
I
So
I
guess
I
would
just
like
to
see
if
you
could
somewhere
it'd,
be
nice
to
see
what
this
approximately
you've
sort
of
generalized
some
areas.
What
this
is
to
cover
like
five
contact
tracers,
you
know,
100
000
will
go
towards
housing
just
to
have
an
idea.
You
know
for
our
residents
too
what
this
it's
over-
half
a
million
dollars
where
it's
going
to.
K
Absolutely
I
can
provide
a
breakdown
of
how
many
contact
traces
we
are
looking
to
have
come
next
year,
how
many
communicable
disease
liaison
long-term
care
facilities
that
we
are
looking
to
have
next
year
and
other
activities.
I
can
definitely
provide
that
breakdown.
Thank.
I
You-
and
I
think
it's
also
helpful
just
to
know
like
is
this-
is
this
pretty
much
par,
for
course,
with
other
surrounding
communities
in
terms
of
per
capita
and
contact
tracers
going
forward?
Given
you
know
the
place
we're
at
right
now
with
the
pandemic,
I
think
would
be
helpful
to
know.
Thank
you.
A
Before
we
go
into
the
next
speaker,
let
me
just
follow
up
with
what
I
think
was
sort
of
embedded
in
council
member
kelly's
initial
question,
which
is,
if
you
could
include
in
that
documentation
the
exact
amount
of
the
idph
grant
and
the
duration
that
it
covered.
So
we
can
compare
it
on
an
annualized
basis
to
what's
being
requested
for
2022..
A
Thank
you.
Next
is
council
member
fleming,
followed
by
nusma.
M
N
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
It's
a
couple
of
points
of
information
for
members
of
the
public
in
the
audience
are
watching
at
home.
Yeah
council
members
are
asking
questions
and
receiving
answers
from
staff
tonight.
N
We
are,
in
the
background,
compiling
lists
of
questions
for
staff.
To
answer
a
number
of
those
have
already
been
answered
in
the
form
of
budget
memos.
Some
of
them
will
be
answered
more
directly
and
on
minor
issues,
but
it's
my
understanding
that
the
budget
memos
will
all
be
available
to
the
public
on
the
website.
Are
they
on
the
website
right
now?
N
Okay,
so
if,
if
you're
following
along
at
home,
make
sure
you
check
out
the
the
the
city
council
website
or
the
budget
page
on
the
on
the
city's
website
for
more
information,
then
we'll
be
able
to
cover
in
this
in
this
brief
meeting
this
evening,
in
the
spirit
of
you
know,
engaging
in
some,
you
know
response
to
some
of
the
issues
that
have
been
raised
tonight.
N
N
I
don't
think
that's
the
right
way
to
go.
I
think
we
need
to
make
carp
implementation,
climate
action,
climate
resiliency
in
environmental
justice,
a
part
of
everyday
business
at
the
city
of
evanston
on
an
ongoing
basis,
long
past,
the
two
three
four
years
when
the
the
harp
of
money
is
going
to
be
spent,
so
I
don't
want
to
set
ourselves
up
to
you
know
to
be
driving
off
a
cliff
on
climate
action
when
arpa
money
runs
out.
N
Rather,
I
would
like
to
use
that
harper
money
to
give
us
a
jump
start
and
get
us
moving
in
the
right
direction.
One
of
the
first
things
we
have
to
do
is
to
put
together
a
carp
implementation
plan,
so
we
will
have
that
road
map
that
mr
vasilca
was
alluding
to.
So
we
will
know
what
we
want
to
do
and
when
and
what
order
we
want
to
do
it.
N
Do
we
want
to
put
solar
panels
on
robert
crown,
or
do
we
want
to
upgrade
energy
efficiency
at
the
at
the
fire
stations,
or
do
we
want
to
do
both?
You
know
we
need
to
get
into
that
level
of
granular
detail,
and
I
hope
that
the
money
that
we
will
devote
to.
N
To
developing
a
plan
one
way
or
the
other,
whether
it's
ultimately
out
of
our
money
or
it
comes
from
another
fund
that
you
know
the
first
step
is
to
spend
a
few
hundred
thousand
dollars
on
a
consultant
to
tell
us
what
we
need
to
do,
and
I
agree
that
we
need
to
staff
up
internally.
There
are
similar
cities
of
similar
sizes
and
similar.
You
know
constituencies
around
the
country
that
have
sustainability
departments
of
you
know
five
to
ten
times
more
manpower
person
power
than
we
have
here.
N
So,
on
the
other
hand,
many
of
the
speakers
also
said
we
want
to
keep
taxes
down.
So
I
agree
with
that
sentiment
as
well,
and
that's
the
balance
we're
trying
to
strike.
You
know
not
only
with
climate
action,
but
all
the
other
services
that
that
the
community
of
evanston
expects
which
have
been
you
know,
kind
of
cut
back
in
the
last
year
because
of
of
cobit
and
because
of
the
covet
budget
20.
N
M
Thank
you.
So
when
we
had
that
first
arpa
discussion,
we
talked
about
having
the
arpa
web
page
up
and
kind
of
having
some
kind
of
tracker
of
what
we're
spending
and
I'm
looking
at
the
page.
I
don't
see
the
tracker
up
here
yet,
but
it
was
brought
up
last
week
and
I
don't
think
we
ever
really
got
an
answer
regarding
the
arpa
funds
that
are
in
the
budget.
M
If
they're,
you
know,
we
kept
talking
about
having
these
special
meetings
that
discuss
arpa,
you
know
being
very
transparent
with
that
and
for
folks
who
aren't
you
know
reading
through
our.
However
many
you
know
200
page
budget
document
here
I
would
like
for
us
when
we
have
the
full
out
budget
discussion,
which
I
think
is
maybe
the
18th
or
whatever
the
next
one
is.
M
If
we
can
like
separate
the
arpa
conversation,
even
if
it's
just
explaining
how
we
plan
to
use
or
what
the
proposals
are
for
using
the
arp
of
money
to
kind
of
fill
some
gaps
in
the
budget,
I
think
it's
not
really
standing
up
to
our
standards
to
not
have
done,
and
I
realize
it
wasn't
under
our
current
interim
city
manager,
but
to
have
the
arp
of
money
at
least
listed
separately
on
the
arpa
page.
As
we
talked
about,
I
did
have
a
couple
residents.
M
A
Thank
you
seeing
all
right
for
I'll
give
for
a
quick
second
comment:
councilmember
kelly.
I
So
I
agree,
I
also
that
was
brought
up
and
confirmed
that
that
would
happen.
So
I
am
that
what
councilmember
fleming
was
referring
to
we.
I
hope
we
can
have
that
up
soon,
but
I
had
so
shy
just
I
have
a
lot
of
questions
about
a
lot
of
items
on
the
budget.
A
Anyway,
okay,
so
could
we
talk?
Here's
how
I
would
think
about
it.
You
I
mean
you
have
the
floor.
If
you're
in
a
budget
hearing,
I
would
sort
of
understanding
that
there's
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions
in
writing
and
more
opportunities
going
forward
in
the
long
agenda.
I
know
you,
among
others,
have
an
interest
in
having
robust
discussion
about
later
on.
I
would
just
ask
you
to
kind
of
balance
those
considerations
against
one
another.
Okay,.
I
So
I
have
a
question
about
okay,
the
700
000
for
consulting
services
for
the
animal
shelter,
that's
a
big
number
for
consulting
services.
What
is
like,
so
my
question
or
the
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
consulting
fees
for
the
comprehensive
and
strategic
plan.
Where
are
we
getting
out
those
numbers
and
when,
if
we
vote
on
this
budget
for
500
000
for
consulting
fees
for
the
comprehensive
and
strategic
plan,
my
question
is:
does
that
mean
we're?
I
mean
I
don't
know
what
that
means.
I
O
Good
evening,
johanna
nyden
community
development
director,
the
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
the
strategic
and
comprehensive
plan
is
based
on
some
research
as
to
what
other
comparable
plans
have
taken.
So
I
think
reference
in
the
first
round
of
budget
memos
will
met
just
approved
theirs
earlier
that
are
approved
for
a
consultant
earlier
this
year,
and
that
was,
I
think,
271
thousand
dollars
so
we're
bigger.
O
We
have
some
more
complex
issues,
more
business
districts
at
university
here
things
that
might
add
to
a
little
bit
more
of
a
different
dynamic
than
moment.
O
Our
community
generally
in
the
region
stands
out
as
a
community
that
wants
to
have
a
lot
of
community
engagement.
So
we
would
want
to
build
a
lot
of
community
engagement
process.
You
are
with
that
five
hundred
thousand
and
then
also
layered
onto
that
is
the
development
of
the
strategic
plan
in
addition
to
a
comprehensive
plan.
So
that
would
add
a
little
bit
of
cost.
O
So
that
is
a
round
number
that
we
selected,
but
it's
probably
a
number
that
is
comparable
to
what
we
would
likely
anticipate
a
consultant
would
cost
so
you're,
not
approving
a
consultant.
We
would
then
go
and
solicit,
develop
an
rfp
and
solicit
responses
to
that
rfp
and
then
from
there.
We
would
return
to
this
this
council
for
an
approval
to
for
a
contract.
I
Thank
you.
So
it's
just
it's
a
big
number
and
I
have
seen
it
ranging
from
cities
our
side
size
from
130
000.
All
the
way
up.
You
know
to
big
numbers
like
400,
500
000,
but
a
huge
range.
So
I
guess
I
would
just
want
to
know.
I
know
it's
gonna.
The
idea
is
to
develop
a
comprehensive
plan.
But
what
are
we
talking
about
in
terms
of
hours?
I
mean
it's
just
it's.
It's
a
huge
number
half
a
million
dollars
for
a
consulting
fee.
So
just
because
we
saw
one
you.
L
O
Sure
we
can
provide
a
memo
that
might
give
a
sense
of
what,
where
the
different
areas
of
the
plan
development
might
be.
I
can't
until
we
solicit
that
I
wouldn't
know
how
much
time
it
would
take
for
each
of
those
steps,
but
we
can
come
back
with
a
bunch
of
memo
that
might
break
down
the
different
plan
elements.
O
I
You
and
I
had
more
questions
and
I
apologize.
I
did
submit
some
questions
in
writing
and
I'm
sorry
that
I
came
tonight
with
some
questions.
If
that's
okay,
though
I
just
grades
were
okay.
P
So
that
is
what
was
budgeted,
we're
actually
in
the
process
of
finalizing
the
negotiation
of
the
cost
proposal
for
design
and
construction
services,
and
I
believe
it
will
come
in
less
than
a
little
less
than
seven
hundred
thousand.
P
I
But
again,
just
like
my
question
to
johanna
like
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars,
what
is
a
consultant,
I
mean
that
that's
a
huge
number
for
an
animal
shelter
and
and
when
you
say
that's
what
was
budgeted
for.
I'm
not
sure.
I
understand
who
budgeted
that,
because
so
far
city
council
has
only
voted
to
date
for
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
actually
voted.
I
know
that
you
put
it
in
the
bond
seven
hundred
thousand,
but
but
what
do
you
mean?
That's
what
was
budgeted
for.
P
So
this
staff
does
an
estimate
based
on
looking
at
other
projects
and
costs
and
trying
to
determine
what
would
be
required
in
order
to
implement
a
project,
but
we
don't
employ
professional
cost
estimators.
So
we
do
a
budget.
A
quick
budgetary
review
come
up
with
a
number
and
then
we
go
forward
and
we
solicit
proposals
and
see
what
is
involved
so
a
little
bit.
This
is
a
market
study.
P
I
So
the
consulting
fee
at
700
000
is
it's.
It
does
sound
crazy,
okay,.
P
So
the
consultant
will
be
preparing
contract
documents,
so
construction
documents
there's
also
quite
a
bit
of
geotechnical
work
having
to
do
with
the
soils
are
not
ideal
at
james
park.
There's
things
like
drainage
and
storm
art
attention.
There's
studies
on
how
to
make
this
a
carbon
neutral
building.
P
P
There's
more
than
one
person
that
works
on
it,
it's
a
team
of
people,
but
it
works
about
about
80,
of
whatever
the
consulting
fee
will
probably
come
in
for
design
services
and
then
the
remainder,
the
20
will
be
spent
in
2023
as
construction
services.
Where
they're
doing
you
know
meeting
with
the
cons,
the
contractor
checking
the
work.
I
Okay
and
then
I
had
another
question
regarding
the
resurfing
of
the
tennis
courts,
so
half
a
million
dollars
to
resurface,
tennis
courts-
I
mean
again
when
we
talk
about
equity
and
tending
and
caring
for
our
most
vulnerable
population,
I
mean
do
we
need
to
do
half
a
million
dollars
next
year?
Could
we
not
do
you
know
half
of
that
and
consider
I
mean
half
a
million
dollars
in
researching
tennis
courts.
Is
it
possible
to
do
this
in
stages.
P
So
we
basically
haven't
really
kept
up
with
doing
tennis
courts
and
we've
been
getting
a
high
number
of
complaints.
A
couple
years
ago.
We
actually
had
to
stop
offering
tennis
and
close
down
some
of
the
courts,
we're
starting
to
close
down
courts
at
james
park
because
we
have
tree
roots
growing
into
them,
so
we're
taking
tennis
courts
out
of
service,
and
this
is
what
is
necessary
to
avoid
taking
tennis
courts
out
of
service
and
so.
I
But
there
are
a
lot
I
mean
I
do
play
and
I've
played
on
a
lot
of
courts
in
evanston
and
I'm
sure
some
have
been
taken
out,
but
I
just
am
questioning
whether
we
really
need
to
allocate
that
much
in
one
year.
If
we,
you
know
can't
do
this,
and
this
isn't
something
urgent
and
again
I
do
plan.
I
know
there
are
courts
available.
I
So
can
we
not
do
this
in
in
phases?
I
mean.
Couldn't
we
do
you
know
half
of
the
ones
that
need
resurfacing
the
most
and
you
know
another.
I'm
just
saying
it
seems
to
me
that
we
should
be
looking
at
prioritizing
our
spending,
and
I
just
and
I
question
whether
we
should
really
be
spending
half
a
million.
M
M
M
M
You
know,
based
on.
I
think
what
the
residents
think
it
should
be
based
on
and
therefore
my
concern
will
be
if
we
put
them
off
again
we're
putting
off
the
ones
in
james
park
and
for
the
third
year,
people
in
south
evanston
are
having
to
drive
to
north
evanston
to
play
tennis,
and
so
that
is
an
equity
issue.
M
P
I
believe
it's
courts
at
five
locations.
I'd
have
to
review
it
again,
but
I
think
it's
of
course,
at
five
locations
and
there's
multiple
courts
at
each
location.
Okay,
but
I
mean
an
answer-
is
your
question.
Of
course
they
can
prioritize
and
things
can
be
put
off.
They
have
been
for
many
years,
they
still
and
it
could
be
further
and.
I
I
would
concur
with
alderman
fleming
also
that,
of
course,
we
should
prioritize
the
resurfacing
in
you
know
in
neighborhoods,
not
north
evanston,
so
so
so,
five,
okay,
five
locations
throughout
evanston
mm-hmm,
like
from
north
carolina.
P
Believe
it
it's
bent
james
park
and
I
apologize.
I
should
know
it.
A
I
And
again,
I'm
just
looking
to
that's
fine
just
to
make
sure
that
we're.
You
know
that
we
that
we're
spending
judiciously
and
you
know,
trying
to
reflect
in
our
budget
our
priorities.
That's
but
anyway,
and
I
just
one
last
question
that
the
raymond
park
allocation.
I
realized
that
small,
relatively
small,
the
fifty
thousand,
but
I
thought
that
was
all
the
albion
that
was
going
to
be
covering
the
raymond
park
renovations.
I
O
For
those
of
you
who
may
not
remember
in
2010,
sarah
was
oversaw
our
neighborhood
stabilization
program
grants
almost
20
million
dollars
of
grants,
so
she
has
a
really
long
history
of
overseeing
federal
grants.
We
manage
our
cdbg
esg
home
funds
all
through
sarah
flax.
So
the
idea
of
this
position
is
that
just
like
nsp,
where
we
had
a
dedicated
staff
member
who
oversaw
the
disbursement,
the
tracking
to
make
sure
that
we
were
in
compliance
with
our
federal
grants,
federal
any
kind
of
federal
regulations.
O
They
change
constantly,
there's
constantly
re-certifications
and
webinars
that
we
need
to
stay
on
top
of
this
person
would
be
on
top
of
that
work,
and
that's
not.
We
already
have
staff
that
I
won't
speak
for
our
budget
team
or
our
finance
team,
but
housing
and
grants
already
does
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
with
tracking
other
things
to
other
compliance
activities.
We
really
do
need
one
person
who
this
stays
with
and
we
are
not
carving
out
more
pieces
of
this.
So.
I
O
Arpa
compliance
and
I
will
tell
you
the
nsp2
person,
probably
worked
more
than
around
the
clock.
She
was
at
meetings
at
weekend
activities.
It
was
a.
It
was
a
full-time
plus
some
because
there's
lots
of
questions
and
this
person
becomes
these
the
one
of
the
subject
matter.
Experts
and
all
of
you
will
want
to
have
questions
answered,
and
this
person
can
answer
those
questions.
A
R
R
We
hired
jolene
saul,
who
was
an
expert
on
this
jolene.
As
miss
niden
just
said
she
worked
80
hour
weeks.
She
was
instrumental
in
the
success
of
the
nsp2
project.
Many
of
you
may
have
met
her.
Certainly
we
all
heard
regular
reports
from
her.
R
She
was
really
instrumental
in
the
fact
that
we
spent
that
money
really
effectively
and
met
all
the
requirements.
I
I
I'm
sorry,
we
don't
still
have
her
on
staff
somewhere,
but
we
couldn't
hold
on
to
her.
She
moved
on
to
another
very
high
qualified
job,
so
I
can't
imagine
trying
to
take
on
another
large
amount
of
government
money
without
having
someone
in
that
role.
Jolene
was
reading
regulations
constantly
interacting
with
the
federal
government
to
make
sure
that
we
were
administering
the
program
exactly
as
we
were
supposed
to
be.
S
And
just
to
finish
up
just
in
terms
of
the
compliancy,
a
couple
of
examples
that
she
did
for
those
of
you
that
are
new,
there
was
a
huge
local
hire
component
to
the
nsp2
fund.
There
were
a
lot
of
contractors
that
really
launched
their
businesses
through
that,
in
addition
to
that
local
hire,
there
was
a
local
spend.
S
C
Mayor,
I'm
sorry,
I
have
just
two
very
quick
things:
I'm
not
gonna
yep
carry
on
for
very
long.
Okay.
Thank
you.
I
just
have
two
two
questions.
There.
There
were
a
number
of
referrals
that
I
submitted
early
on
that
had
budget
implications
that
have
not
yet
and
I'm
talking
about
early
in
the
term.
They
have
not
yet
been
brought
up,
particularly
looking
at
progressive,
progressive
fee
and
fine
structure.
C
We
were
sent
information
from
a
former
colleague
of
ours,
former
alderman,
jane
grover,
who
now
works
with
the
met
or
jesus
christ.
C
With
the
we
know
it,
I
forget
it,
the
name
metropolitan,
something
and
they've
done
a
lot
of
great
research
on
creating
a
fee
and
fine
structure,
particularly,
I
think
alder
ms
grover
sent
us
a
a
a
packet
about
parking
tickets
and
other
ticket
car
driving
related
tickets.
In
that,
of
course,
those
should
not
be.
C
You
know
necessarily
revenue
sources,
but
obviously
they
are
sources
of
revenue,
but
I
think
if
we
were
to
look
at
it
progressively,
we
can
charge
folks
who
make
more
more
and
folks
who
don't
make
as
much
either
the
same
or
lower
rate
to
one.
Obviously,
an
impact
would
be
to
get
an
additional
revenue,
but
also
the
big
thing
would
be
to
actually
deter
the
behavior
here
from
folks.
C
So
I
would
love
to
see
a
memo
on
that,
along
with
you
know,
getting
some
what
I
saw
in
the
demos
that
there
is,
I
mentioned
a
head
tax
on
corporate
employers
at
the
last
meeting
to
see
some
specific
numbers
on
that,
as
well
as
some
of
the
other
memos
that
have
been
requested.
I
did
not
see
specific
numbers
on
what
the
revenue
impact
could
be
if
we
increase
those
fines
and
then
to
clarify
a
point.
C
At
the
last
meeting
I
misspoke
and
when
I
referred
to
creating
a
tax
rate
for
luxury
units,
I
misstated
the
ami,
and
so
certainly
you
know,
as
there's
evidence
for
the
pressure
behind
me,
I'm
not
looking
to
raise
taxes
on
the
middle
class,
but
certainly
looking
to
gain
additional
revenue.
I
think
you
know,
staff
cuts
to
cutting
services
is
one
route
to
get
financially
stable,
but
I
think
at
some
point
you
know
cuts
begin
to
harm.
C
You
know
both
the
the
quality
of
service
that
we
provide
in
our
lowest
income
residents
and
begin
to
to
be
more
detrimental.
I
will
say
for
the
folks
who
have
been
here
for
a
while.
I
think
our
last
city.
C
I
think
there's
value
in
looking
at
particularly
staffing
in
the
police
department.
I
I
did
ask
about
numbers
regarding
a
crime
race
in
everything.
I
know
that
there
is
a
proposal
to
increase
to
to
fill
they
can
confuse.
I
am
curious
to
just
get
more
information.
I
don't
believe
I
saw
that
in
the
memo
tracker,
more
information
on
crime
rate
statistics
in
the
city
of
evanston
over
the
last
few
years,
comparing
that
to
the
number
of
officers
and
really
see
if
there
is
a
need
to
to
fill
those
seven
vacancies.
A
Thank
you
and
the
final
brief
speaker
will
be
councilmember
kelly.
I
All
right
just
is
there:
would
it
be
reasonable
to
ask
for
a
two
to
three
year,
not
obviously
full
budgets
for
the
segment,
but
given
that
we
got
those
43
million
dollars
in
arpa
money,
it
seems
like
it
would
be,
make
sense
to
project
out.
I
Could
we
get?
Could
we
does
that
sound
reasonable?
I
just
I
think
when
we're
talking
about
this
large
amount
of
money,
we
should
see
where
this
is
going
and
how
it's
going
to
play
out
and
some
projections
for
beyond
just
one
year
and
I
would
say
a
three-year.
I
think
we
should
like
three-year
budget
plan
would
make
sense.
A
Let
me
answer:
I
think
that
makes
a
tremendous
amount
of
sense.
I
think,
having
multi-year
projections
of
both
revenue
and
and
spending
is,
is
important
and
appropriate
for
an
organization
of
our
size.
I
think
at
this
point
to
expect
you
know
a
three-year
blueprint
from
staff
before
folks.
Vote
on
the
2022
budget
might
be
too
much
to
ask,
but
I
think
asking
for
for
us
to
move
in
that
direction
makes
an
awful
lot
of
sense.
R
Yes,
I
I
think
that
this
is
exactly
the
type
of
topic
that
we
should
be
discussing
at
the
finance
and
budget
committee
meeting
committee,
and
we
are
meeting
tomorrow
on
this
issue
so
and
we
should
raise
these
issues
because
I
think
that's
projecting
forward
and
looking
beyond.
The
immediate
budget
is
really
critical
and
I
think
that's
a
perfect
topic
for
finance
and
budget.
I
The
very
very
last
question
and
then
I'll
send
my
other
ones
in
writing.
So
for
for
the
for
legal
for
the
law
department,
are
we
and
I'm
it's
not
I'm
not
challenging
whether
we
need
more
or
not.
I
just
notice
it's
we're
going
from
363
to
almost
doubling.
So
are
we
doubling
the
the
legal
department.
T
No
nicholas
cummings
corporation
council
good
evening,
mayor
members
of
city,
council,
interim
city
manager,
matt
kandersky
in
prior
years,
a
lot
of
partners
budget
has
been
split
in
two,
where
you
have
half
the
law:
department,
salaries
and
expenses
coming
out
of
the
law
department
of
the
general
fund
and
the
other
half
coming
out
of
the
insurance
fund,
and
that's
a
practice
that
I
wanted
to
stop.
T
So
that's
why
the
change
in
cost.
Additionally,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
there
could
be
some
realignment.
That's
involved
with
that
number
as
well.
So
this
is
the
first
place.
I've
ever
worked
where
work
workers
comp
is
actually
in
the
hr
or
administrative
services
budget
previously
or
confidence.
Now
my
understanding
is,
it
should
be
under
law,
so
that
would
be
another
person
that
would
account
for
that
number.
But
it's
no
additional
people.
It's
all
the
same
number
of
staff.
T
Correct,
and
so
if,
if
I
wanted
to
be
like
a
technical
illustration,
when
I
had
to
approve
people's
timesheets
over
the
weekend,
there
was
like
four
people
from
the
law
department
and
then
another
set
of
people
under
the
insurance
claims
fund
in
order
to
prove
their
time.
So
they
are
paid
out
of
a
totally
different
fund
and
we-
and
I
just
asked
the
budget
team
to
move
everyone,
that's
for
the
law
department
into
the
law
department's
budget,
and
so
that's
why
the
budget
looks
dramatically
increased.
T
T
There
are
four
attorneys
and
there's
an
open
position
that
I
just
sent
hr
six
people
to
interview
for,
because.
T
Thank
you
and
one
fair,
legal
and
one
administrative
lead.
C
Just
want
to
say
thank
you
nick,
I'm
sorry,
your
best
friend,
I'm
not
gonna,
think
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
nick
for
that
change.
I
think
I
think
that's
one
thing.
A
note
for
staff,
wherever
that
is
a
similar
situation,
is
happening
on
any
department.
I
think
for
transparency's
sake.
It
is
important
to
just
have
budgets
aligned.
C
I
think
this
is
aiken
to
or
akin
I
don't
know
which
one
to
to
us
using
bond
money
for
regular
infrastructure,
maintenance,
maintenance
funds.
So
I
think
this
should
be
if
there
are
any
other
places
that
we
have
not
found
yet
where
a
similar
situation
has
happened
happening.
I
one
like
that
to
be
brought
to
our
attention
and
then
two
I'd
love
to
have
clear
accounting,
as
as
council
cummings
says,
so.
Thank
you.
A
Hearing
nothing
further.
I
hereby
adjourn
this
public,
this
budget
public
hearing
bringing
us
to
the
next
item
on
the
agenda,
which
is
the
mayor's
public
announcements.
I
have
just
won
a
proclamation
declaring
october
24
2021
world
polio
day
I'll.
Just
read
a
few
brief
snippets
of
this.
A
This
is
celebrating
a
partnership
with
rotary
international
and
it
says,
whereas
rotary
in
1985,
launched,
polio
plus
and
in
1988
helped
establish
the
global
polio
eradication
initiative,
which
today
includes
the
who
u.s
centers
for
disease
control
and
prevention,
unicef
and
the
bill
and
melinda
gates,
foundation
and
gavi
the
vaccine
alliance
to
immunize
the
children
of
the
world
against
polio
and
whereas
polio
cases
have
dropped
by
99.9
percent
since
1988
and
the
world
stands
on
the
threshold
of
eradicating
the
disease
dot
dot.
A
Now,
therefore,
I
daniel
mayor
of
the
city
of
evanston
do
hereby
proclaim
october
24
2021
as
world
polio
day
in
episode
illinois
and
encourage
all
citizens
to
join
me
and
rotary
international.
The
rotary
club
of
evanston,
the
evanston
lighthouse
rotary
club
and
the
evanston
nouveau
rotary
club
in
the
fight
for
a
polio
free
world.
B
Just
want
to
acknowledge
the
different
emails
we
received
today
for
vote
notes
for
the
five
fifth
tips.
We
have
stephanie
dufford
beth
holder
tina,
foster
karen
long
catherine
mitchell,
christina
bargle,
genevieve
pappas,
asking
to
slow
it
down
judy
in
favor
of
it.
Chris
and
elizabeth.
B
Chardoux
so
against
the
leap,
lower
policy,
paul
klinsker
from
nature's
perspective
and
other
public
comments
from
glenn,
madej
and
katherine
grant.
A
Thank
you.
This
brings
us
to
public
comment
because
of
the
number
of
people
who've
signed
up
to
give
public
comment.
Today,
every
speaker
will
get
a
minute
and
a
half,
and
we
begin
as
usual
with
the
in-person
sign-ups,
starting
with
mike
fasilco.
F
So,
thank
you
again,
mayor
biss,
so
I
want
to
backtrack
to
something
that
was
that
was
mentioned
after
I
spoke
at
the
budget
hearing
and
claire
kelly
brought
it
up.
As
far
as
spending
on
the
animal
shelter,
I
mean,
I
heard
not
only
the
fees,
but
I
heard
that
somebody
wants
to
increase
the
cost
of
that
building
in
a
magnitude
of
between
five
and
ten
million
dollars,
when
we
were
given
a
grant
of
two
million
dollars
which
is
more
than
sufficient.
F
Great
fans
spent
a
lot
of
money
taking
care
of
them,
but
the
building
itself
does
not
need
to
cost
that
kind
of
money
so
that
seven
hundred
thousand
dollar
fee
is
probably
driven
by
the
notion
that
somebody's
being
told
it's
going
to
be
an
eight
to
ten
million
dollar
building.
That
should
not
happen.
That's
wasteful
irresponsible
spending
on
the
part
of
staff
to
even
bring
it
up
to
you
and
that's
part
of
what
I
I
don't
have
time
to
go
through.
All
of
these
spending
items
on
tonight's
agenda.
15.
F
U
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I'm
john
kennedy
from
ward
3.,
hello,
melissa.
This
is
a
little
deja
vu
coming
in
to
listen
once
again
how
the
council
wants
to
move
out
of
this
building
about
15
16
years
ago.
The
same
issue
was
brought
up
and
the
city
spent
then
at
minimum
a
quarter
million
dollars
on
u.s
equities
to
look
through
the
same
kind
of
concepts
that
they're
going
through
now,
where
they're
proposing
now
and
guess
what
u.s
equities
didn't
come
up
with
any
solution
because
there
wasn't
any
downtown.
U
U
The
other
issue
that
I
should
you
know
make
sure
everyone
understands
is:
there
was
a
referendum
back
then
2007.
I
believe
83
percent
of
your
public
voted
to
keep
this
building
and
today
and
guess
what
the
reason
they
wanted
it.
They
wanted
to
preserve
it
they'd
like
the
free
parking
and
the
access
and
so
on.
U
U
Talking
about
the
actual
bid,
if
you
look
closely
acom,
is
an
engineering
firm.
They
like
to
build
things
all
right:
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
less
was
cushman
wakefield
their
real
estate
operation.
They
like
to
move
people
around
the
one
reason
that
cushman
didn't
get.
It
is
because
staff
couldn't
come
to
a
contract
agreement.
E
Good
evening,
once
again,
mayor
bis,
city,
council,
interim
city
manager
and
city
clerk,
thank
you
once
again
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
at
a
city
council
meeting.
I
did
notice
that
none
of
the
questions
that
I
brought
up
about
the
budget
were
addressed
at
all.
E
I
did
forget
to
ask
about
in
the
budget
about
robert
crown,
I'm
I'm
sure,
you're
tired
of
hearing
about
it,
but
why
are
we
spending
400
000
on
a
park
at
robert
crown
shouldn't
that
have
been
included
in
the
50
million
dollars
we've
already
spent?
E
It
looks
like
we
need
to
go
back
to
basics
and
please
explain
to
the
residents
why
we
have
these
public
comment
sessions.
To
begin
with,
we
thought
it
was
to
create
a
dialogue
as
it
states
in
the
in
the
agenda,
but
that
doesn't
seem
to
be
the
case.
On
the
contrary,
it
appears
the
city
has
tried
very
hard
to
keep
the
residents
out
of
the
discussions
and
out
of
the
processes
and
procedures
that
shape
our
lives,
policies
and
cost
of
living.
E
A
E
Really,
I
don't
believe,
wait.
Okay,
let
me
let
me
flip
to
the
last
page
last
paragraph
you've
created
a
pattern
of
disrespect,
distrust
and
an
environment
that
is
not
healthy
for
us
to
continue
with.
You
did
exactly
the
same
thing
on
7
12
at
and
after
we
listened
to
a
two-hour
presentation.
E
We
didn't
finish
the
tiff
hearing,
it's
it
should
be
here.
The
hearing
should
be
the
budget.
Hearing.
Tiff
hearing
should
be
your.
A
E
On
its
own
okay,
we
can
get
much
more
accomplished
if
we
all
work
together
and
remember
when
you
plan
to
fail
when
you
plan,
when
you,
when
you
fail
to
plan
you
plan
to
fail.
That's
the
saying.
Thank
you.
Thank.
V
I'm
going
to
be
speaking
about
the
fifth
word:
tiff
there's
been
a
really
long
process
of
community
meetings,
especially
with
alderman
burns
here
and
continually
from
those
meetings.
There's
been
the
brush
off
of
the
community
of
the
community
reaction
and
comments
to
the
tif.
So
I'm
going
to
be
repeating
what
was
said:
bennett
johnson
for
the
whole
process.
There's
been
a
lack
of
community
involvement
because
there's
no
clear
written
plan,
it
means
it
can
be
manipulated.
V
The
money
can
go
to
some
favored
developer,
there's
a
license
to
steal
that
we
have
to
be
concerned
about
of
the
35
ward
meeting
at
fleetwood,
jourdain
with
bobby
burns.
Not
one
person
supported
the
tiff.
This
is
a
farce.
The
tif
has
to
be
planned
not
for
the
developers,
but
for
the
community
and
the
people.
Carlos
sutton
gave
an
reaction.
There's
been
no
collaboration,
no
communication
with
the
community
on
this
particular
tiff.
A
person
on
a
fixed
income
still
has
to
meet
these
property
tax
increases
every
year.
V
V
V
Well,
here
we
are
from
town
tresser
of
civic
labs
to
community
alliance
for
better
government
to
reclaim
evanston,
giving
you
the
deep,
deep
facts
on
how
this
tiff
looks,
opaque,
anti-community,
untransparent
and
essentially,
you've
evacuated
your
duty
to
lead
and
in
informing
on
the
issue,
and
this
is
a
critical
failure
of
leadership.
V
V
Organizing
progressive
activism
in
the
community
to
continue
the
process.
A
We
now
move
to
the
online
speakers,
beginning
with
linda
del
bosque,
who
will
be
followed
by
elissa,
spain
and
then
john
rush.
X
Good
evening,
mayor
and
council
members,
some
of
you
have
received
an
email
from
me
the
last
couple
of
days
regarding
the
fifth,
the
tiff.
I
am
really
concerned
about
the
sustainability
of
this
program.
X
If
it
really
is
supposed
to
satisfy
the
growth
and
the
need
of
this
particular
award,
I
believe
that
if
we
were
to
focus
on
small
business
and
redevelopment,
if
we
can
dismantle
the
three
business
districts
currently
create
one
business
district
and
everything
in
the
redevelopment
can
go
under
the
ssa.
I'm
not
sure
why
a
tif
is
needed
in
such
a
small
ward,
the
downtown
the
main
dumpster
mile.
Yes,
I
have
to
have
central
house
tips.
We've
seen
peckish
pig
thrive,
we've
seen
lush
wines
thrive.
X
X
A
Y
Y
You
are
proposing
metered
parking
on
these
streets
that
have
never
had
metered
parking,
and
this
is
going
to
be
a
burden
to
all
of
us
who
live
in
this
neighborhood.
It's
going
to
push
parking
now
west
of
sheridan
road
onto
michigan.
It's
make
it
going
to
make
parking
there
very
congested.
Y
If
we
have
tradesmen
come
in
contractors,
anybody
who's
going
to
have
to
park
in
front
of
our
building
to
work
on
the
building,
sometimes
sometimes
having
to
move
material
in
and
out
for
hours
at
a
time
is
going
to
have
to
pay
three
dollars
an
hour.
Now.
Y
A
F
C
On
youtube,
if
you're,
if
you're
connected
to
the
zoom
watch
through
the
zoom
link
after
the
youtube,
you
can
pin
the
console
chamber
screen
on
zoom,
because
you'll
have
a
great
delay
between
when
you're,
seeing
it
on
youtube
and
what's
actually
happening,
live
in
the
meeting.
A
All
right,
so
so,
mr
price,
we're
going
to
keep
you
muted
for
a
little
while,
because
you're
behind
the
audio
when
when
it
gets
to
now
what
you'll
learn
is
you
have
to
switch
off
the
volume
on
your
youtube
feed
to
not
create
this
feedback?
That's
been
created,
we'll
come
back
to
you
in
due
course.
I
promise,
but,
let's
in
the
meantime,
move
ahead
to
mary
rozinski
and
then
we'll
then
we'll
go
back
to
alan
price.
Afterwards,.
G
AA
G
Again
is
something
what's
going
on
here:
okay,
at
the
earlier
meeting,
I
asked
for
an
audit
on
robert
crown,
but
after
listening
to
the
budget
discussion,
I'm
asking
that
you
put
money
in
the
budget
for
a
complete
forensic
audit
on
the
entire
city
budget,
because
the
numbers
that
are
being
spent
talked
about
and
the
back
up
on
it
and
where
these
numbers
are
coming
from.
Don't
quite
make
a
lot
of
sense,
and
I
you
know
I
support
a
new
animal
shelter.
I
want
people
to
look
around.
G
Paws
just
did
a
beautiful
renovation
and
expansion
of
their
shelter
down
in
the
city,
and
now
I
used
to
foster
dogs
from
there
nine
million
dollars
raised
by
fundraising
and
other
things.
So
let's
not
get
crazy.
Let's
use
our
money
wisely
and
get
a
per
square
foot
cost
and
get
the
most.
We
can
and
quit
spending
so
much
goddamn
money
on
consultants.
G
A
G
G
L
G
G
A
Let's
go
back
now
to
to
mr
price.
AA
Yes,
great,
thank
you.
I
want
to
know
how
many
other
residential
streets
in
evanston
have
parking
charged
on
those
streets.
I
don't
think
there
are
any.
I
think,
shared
road
is
the
only
one.
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
1700
blocks,
because
there
are
no
houses
on
either
side
of
the
road,
but
not
on
the
the
800
700
and
600
blocks
for
sheridan.
I
don't
think
you
have
any
data
showing
how
many
no
wheel
tax
parkers
are
going
to
be
parking
on
those
streets
on
the
on
our
street.
That
will
generate
revenue.
AA
I
don't
think
you
have
any
idea
what
the
potential
revenue
is.
I
think
you
should
make
this
an
experimental
program
like
you
did
the
spaces
farther
north
and
I
wanted
to
know
how
you
will
be
allowing
people
who
have
child
care.
Who
might
be
there
eight
hours
a
day
five
days
a
week,
they
can
wind
up
spending
forty
one
hundred
dollars
a
year
just
on
parking
fees.
I
think
that
is
another
addition
to
our
property
taxes
and
that's
all
I
have
to
say.
I
think
this
should
be
on
an
experimental
basis.
AA
I
don't
think
you
have
any
data
that
supports
putting
parking
metering
on
on
these
blocks
insured
road.
Thank
you.
AB
Hey
come
here,
beth
spurs
and
doc
723
emerson
first
quarter.
I
would
like
to
speak
to
a
couple
of
issues
on
the
internet
with
respect
to
sp1
proposed
nearly
400
000
contract
to
investigate
a
civic
center
relocation
10
or
so
years
ago.
The
citizens
of
evanston
by
a
margin
of
83
percent
via
a
referendum,
supported
the
idea
that
the
city
should
remain
in
its
current
location
and
not
pursue
moving
options.
Nothing
of
significance
has
occurred
in
the
interim
to
warrant
yet
another
shot
at
this.
AB
Tiffs
increase
taxes
period
when
I
see
no
real
need
for
this
tif
anywhere
in
the
proposed
area-
and
I
certainly
see
no
need
particularly
to
include
the
civic
center
in
this
set
inclusion-
would
make
it
appear
that
this
tif
is
intended
to
provide
funds
to
make
improvements
to
or
renovate
the
civic
center,
or
far
more
worrisome,
to
make
the
civic
center
property
more
attractive
and
valuable
to
a
purchaser
due
to
the
availability
of
tough
funds.
In
order
to
facilitate
the
city's
move
to
a
newly
constructed
civic
center
here,.
A
A
AC
AC
There
are
many
questions
around
who
will
develop
land,
what
will
be
on
developed
land
and
who
will
be
served?
Why
are
we
not
using
our
budget
to
align
with
values?
We
say
we
have
around
equity
and
repair
for
the
fifth
ward.
AC
AC
Well,
since
we
don't
have
too
much
time
to
speak,
that's
about
all
I
have
to
say.
I
really
am
concerned
that
this
city
and
leadership
continues
to
dismiss
the
public
and
we.
J
L
AC
AD
A
AD
AD
This
is
what
happens
when
we
have
a
city
council
that
that
is
paid
part-time
to
do
a
full-time
job.
We
invite
conflicts
of
interest,
we
invite
self-dealing.
Nobody
with
an
interest
in
this
should
be
allowed
to
vote
on
it.
Anyone
with
a
interest
in
this
should
not
be
allowed
to
vote
on
it.
I'm
talking
about
alderman
bobby
burns,
I'm
talking
about
the
council
becoming
spokes
models
for
the
developers
for
the
elites
that
control
their
city.
AD
We
need
a
full-time
council,
a
full-time
mayor
and
people
who
will
act
on
behalf
of
the
general
public
and
not
in
the
special
interest.
This
is
a
giveaway.
This
is
simply
shifting
the
tax
burden
from
who
should
be
paying
it,
which
are
the
people
with
with
of
means
to
the
general
taxpayer.
AD
It
should
not
be
it
should
not
be
allowed
and
it's
going
to
gentrify
evanston.
It
simply
is
an
ongoing
gentrification,
whether
they
include
a.
AD
Of
diverse
faces,
they're
going
to
end
up
making
evanston,
gentrified
and
driving
poor,
low-income
and
middle-income
people
out
of
the
city
of
evanston.
It's
wrong.
People
should
reject
it.
People
should
vote
against
it
and
I
urge
the
council
to
vote
against
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
AE
Thank
you,
darlene
cannon.
Second
ward.
The
ultimate
reflection
of
the
city's
priorities
is
the
budget
and
how
they
decide
to
use
it.
Are
we
helping
our
most
vulnerable
residents
or
are
we
serving
the
wills
of
the
wealthy?
We
should
be
budgeting
and
assessing
to
see
if
it
reflects
the
city's
stated
priorities
of
helping
our
vulnerable
population.
AE
AE
The
language
used
to
describe
this
text
at
best
is
ambitious.
At
worst
is
insulting,
however,
either
won't
ensure
that
folks
get
to
stay
in
their
communities.
If
this
test
gets
passed,
you
must
establish
an
effective
community
communication
to
all
the
residents
of
evanston,
not
a
select
few,
a
detailed
plan
that
will
protect
black
indigenous
people
and
low-income
folks
from
being
pushed
out
of
the
city.
Also,
please
know
that
same.
We
have.
AE
AF
So,
first
of
all,
I
want
to
mention
that
I
signed
up
for
public
comments
several
hours
before
any
of
the
meetings
started.
I
never
got
an
email
link.
I
know
this
happens.
Every
council
meeting
every
meeting.
There
are
people
that
obviously
have
signed
up
and
they're
nowhere
to
be
seen
and
there's
something
about
this
process
that
is
not
efficient.
AF
So
maybe
that
needs
to
be
addressed,
but
I'd
like
to
be
indulged
because
I
did
sign
up
for
the
budget
hearing
and
I
was
not
called
on-
and
I've
been
here
since
then
so
and
dealt
with
me
with
maybe
a
few
seconds
more
time.
I
see
fat
in
this
budget
in
places
that
I
didn't
expect
to
see
it
under
the
leadership
of
mayor
biss
in
this
council.
AF
I
support
an
animal
shelter,
but
7
million
for
an
animal
shelter.
We
don't
have
a
homeless
people,
shelter,
that's
supported
by
the
city
tax
supported
people
are
leaving
because
we
don't
have
enough
affordable
shelter
for
human
families.
I
don't
want
to
be
sad
when
I
go
into
the
animal
shelter
thinking
about
how
we
don't
have
enough
affordable
housing
for
for
my
friends
for
people
who
might
be
forced
out
eventually,
including
me,
someday.
AF
AF
A
AG
I'm
a
longtime
resident
of
the
third
ward,
the
800
block
of
michigan,
just
west
of
the
proposed
sheridan
road
and
kedzie
parking
issue.
I
would
like
to
express
my
op
extreme
opposition
to
a
parking.
AG
The
proposed
parking
require
a
requirement
on
sheridan,
road
and
and
kedzie
my
there
are
many
many
reasons
I
think
for
my
op
opposition
to
this
I'm
suspicious.
As
to
the
reason
for
this,
I'm
wondering
if
it
is
a
prelude
to
the
dog
park
in
in
clark
square
again,
I
I
just
want
to
express
my
opposition
to
the
proposed
parking
issue
on
sheridan
road.
Thank
you.
A
AH
AH
It
needs
to
be
have
an
inclusive
definition
of
low
income
and
from
what
I've
read
and
what
I've
heard
fly
heap
is
supposed
to
be
the
discriminator,
and
I
know
if
you
have
a
home,
my
hoop
won't
help
you,
because
you
can
be
just
a
hundred
dollars
over
a
month.
What
lie
he
requires
and
be,
you
know,
ignored,
so
the
salvation
army
I
found
out
through
trial
and
error
right
does
help
so
include
them
and
also
the
evelson
senior
benefit
card
include
them.
AH
And
then,
if
anyone
has
any
dealings
with
the
city
who
the
city
knows,
their
low
income
make
sure
they're
put
on
the
list,
and
that
includes
any
new
additional
help
that
can
be
available
to
low-income
people
that
they
can't
keep
up
on
hearing
every
things
one
by
one.
Instead
of
like
a
centralized
notification
system,
help
is
needed
for
vulnerable
populations.
That's
described
and
identified
in
the
tip.
AH
Beyond
the
tip
boundaries,
our
profound
priorities
have
yet
to
include
them.
Is
it
prudent
for
a8
to
bond
or
borrow
money
for
equipment
now,
rather
than
use,
fed
money
meant
to
stabilize
and
preserve
our
diversity,
including
the
vulnerable
human
services,
has
been
cumulatively
grossly
underfunded
in
ops
and
grants
by
two?
Let
me
finish:
please,
I'm
going
to
take
on
grants
and
two
city
manager,
austerity
programs
and
exaggerated
by
pandemic
and
insufficiencies.
AH
AJ
Yes,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
here
to
comment
on
the
fifth
word
tiff
as
well,
in
particular
the
assurances
added
to
the
d65
intergovernmental
agreement
that
funds
will
not
be
used
for
luxury
development.
That
is
quote
not
fitting
to
the
neighborhood.
AJ
Speaking
from
experience
with
the
economic
development
department's
projects,
I
can
say
that
the
needs
of
the
developers,
not
this
kind
of
language
in
our
ordinances,
determine
what
projects
we
get
and
are
approved.
In
fact,
we
have.
We
currently
have
compulsory
ordinance
standards
about
compatibility
for
development
that
sound
a
lot
like
this
language
here,
but
don't
take
my
word
for
it
case
in
point
on
the
agenda
tonight,
1900
sherman
avenue
as
they
asked
for
an
extension.
Their
development
is
16
stories
which
is
not,
which
is
double
the
height
and
bulk.
AJ
It's
zoned
for
in
this
residential
area
neighborhood,
rather
not
only
that
it
passed
despite
official
standards
that
compel
it
to
be
compatible
with
the
surroundings,
which
include
two-story
structures
to
the
north
and
three
to
four
structures
to
the
east
and
all
brick.
Yet
this
glass
and
steel
building
was
still
pushed
through,
so
it's
a
cautionary
tale
for
the
fifth
ward.
It's
almost
insulting
for
our
intelligence
to
have
the
department
ask
residents
for
trust.
When
we
have
seen
these
projects,
perhaps
the
tiff
money
will
not
be.
AJ
AJ
Even
in
the
face
of
data
before
our
eyes
that
show
that
these
developments
have
forced
up
rents
and
are
called
gentrification
on
steroids
by
a
recent
news,
article
and
residents
out
of
town
anyway,
these
a
strategy,
a
tip
strategy
that
still
supports
gentrification,
is
not
the
solution.
A
I'm
sorry,
I'm
my
mistake:
mrisation
is
no
longer
available,
so
the
next
speaker
will
be
leslie
williams,
followed
by
cecile
mchugh.
AK
Thank
you
mayor
of
this.
This
is
the
official
statement
from
the
community
alliance
for
better
government.
We
commend
fifth
ward
alderman
bobby
burns
for
taking
the
initiative
to
prioritize
investment
and
development
for
fifth
ward
residents.
Who've
historically
been
underserved
by
the
city
and
we're
also
happy
that
the
council
has
reached
an
iga
with
district
65..
AK
However,
the
question
is
not
whether
prioritized
investment
in
the
fifth
ward
is
justified.
The
obvious
answer
is
yes,
absolutely
we
see
the
issue
as
twofold.
What
is
the
plan
for
investment
within
the
fifth
ward,
with
specific
anticipated
projects
and
costs,
and
what
are
the
funding
mechanisms
to
protect
the
people
of
the
fifth
ward
from
gentrification?
AK
AK
Justice
demands
that
funds
to
support
the
fifth
ward
should
come
directly
out
of
the
city
budget
on
an
annual
basis
with
policies
for
equitable
development
to
match.
Cebg
recommends
the
city
review
the
woefully
outdated
west
evanston
master
plan.
In
conjunction
with
ward
residents
in
a
transparent,
fully
participatory
process,
what
specific
mix
of
preservation
and
new
development
are
fifth
ward
resident
seeking
to
what
extent
will
land
be
protected
from
the
market.
AK
Like
deed
restrictions
or
community
land
trust,
what
is
the
housing
plan?
Specifically
the
affordable
housing
plan
for
the
fifth
ward,
as
well
as
the
rest
of
evanston?
The
city
should
then
take
ideas
and
data
collected
from
residents,
prioritize
them
based
on
equity
and
inclusion,
put
a
price
tag
on
them
and
then
appropriate.
The
funds.
Thank
you.
D
By
voting
for
this,
my
objections,
shared
by
many
regarding
the
specifics,
include
the
inclusion
of
the
civic
center,
the
inclusion
of
the
mega
development
at
1815
ridge
already
open
for
business.
How
will
tif
funds
become
from
landlords
who
are
already
buying
buildings
in
the
area
and
renting
them
to
large
groups
of
students
at
a
large
profit?
A
significant
permittive
is
at
risk
for
becoming
student
housing.
D
A
Thank
you,
sorry
about
that
mix
up
there.
That
brings
us
to
the
end
of
our
list.
Let
me
loop
back
to
those
who
were
called
on
and
were
not
at
the
time
in
the
zoom.
There
are
four
such
people.
I
believe
elisa
spain,
heather
bublic,
emily
hogan
and
bob
hercules
are
any
of
the
four
of
those
individuals
heather
public,
emily
hogan.
AL
Is
bob
hercules?
I'm
here
great
go
ahead.
Yes,
I
want
to
echo
what
a
lot
of
people
have
said.
I
just
think
that
I,
I
don't
think,
there's
a
need
for
a
tiff
in
the
fifth
ward.
I'm
not
sure
why
we
can't
just
have
a
responsible,
viable
and
intentional
economic
plan
instead
of
a
tiff.
It
just
seems
like
it
would
make
a
lot
more
sense.
I
think
we
need
to
budget
for
home
assistance,
economic
opportunities
for
residents
of
the
fifth
ward
and
other
places
and
not
have
a
tiff.
AL
A
B
One
is
from
break
cardis,
eths
teacher
council
president
asking
for
the
tif
to
be
slowed
down
and
then
on
elliot
station
who
had
to
do
he
submitted
his
public
comment
to
the
council
instead,
and
I
also
wanted
to
address
the
submission
from
megan
welsh
when
that
submission
was
made,
there
was
no
email
or
phone
number
included,
so
I
had
nowhere
to
send
a
zoom
link
for
that,
so
just
reminding
people
if
you
want
to
participate
in
public
comment,
please
remember
to
submit
your
email
or
your
phone
number
in
order
for
me
to
be
able
to
send
you
your
zoom
link.
C
Plenty
of
information,
if
I
can
just
make
a
quick
suggestion
if
you
make
that
a
required
field
folks,
won't
be
able
to
get
past
signing
up
without
it.
B
Is
it
is
a
required
field
instead
of
a
phone
number
or
email
they
simply
put
in
the
word
zoom?
So
if
you
submit
anything,
it
will
let
you
move
on.
A
N
A
A
Apologize,
it's
been
a
long
night,
so
laura
biggs,
I
believe,
has
a
brief
presentation
today.
P
Mayor
biss
clerk
mendoza
other
members
of
the
council,
my
name's,
laura
biggs,
I'm
the
city
engineer.
I
do
have
a
presentation
tonight
and
there's
a
lot
of
info
on
the
slides,
and
so
I'm
going
to
skip
through
them
pretty
quickly,
and
just
summarize,
if
you
want
me
to
slow
down
I'm
happy
to,
but
most
this
info
is
right
out
of
the
memo
so
background
history
on
the
civic
center,
the
first
part
of
the
building
was
built
in
1901
is
120
years
old.
P
The
second
part
of
the
building
is
roughly
100
years
old
and
if
you
look
at
the
history
when
we
acquired
it
in
the
late
70s,
we
did
do
some
work,
but
we
have
not
done
substantial
work
since
then
on
almost
any
of
the
building
systems.
P
P
A
substantial
portion
of
the
systems
are
failing,
so
there's
a
heating
system
that
is
a
a
boiler,
a
steam
operated
boiler
that
provides
radiant
heat
and
there's
a
heat
pump
system
that
circulates
water.
That
provides
the
ac
and
pretty
much.
The
entire
ac
system
needs
to
be
replaced,
including
all
the
distribution
piping
for
the
boiler
system,
portions
need
to
be
upgraded
and
the
one
thing
that
this
study
did
not
include
was
carp
and
carbon
neutral
goals.
So
if
we
move
forward
with
hvac
improvements
instead,
we
would
want
to
update
this
study
before
we
go
on.
P
But
what
that
study
found
was
it
looked
at
different
options
in
a
25-year
life
cycle
cost
and
the
most
cost-effective
option
was
over
seven
million
dollars
just
for
the
hvac.
It
did
not
take
into
account,
in
fact,
pretty
much.
A
lot
of
the
electrical
system
would
have
to
be
upgraded,
as
well
as
just
we'd
be
poking
holes
in
walls.
We
would
find
asbestos
that
we
know
is
there.
We
would
have
a
lot
of
other
costs
associated
with
things.
P
But
I
also
want
to
talk
about
the
experience
when
you
come
to
the
civic
center.
It's
a
building
that
has
a
lot
of
presence,
but
it's
a
converted.
School
building
and
people
get
a
very
poor
customer
service
experience
when
they
come
here.
There
isn't
a
single
point
of
entry.
If
you
are
in
in
a
wheelchair
or
motorized
scooter,
and
you
want
to
enter
the
building,
you
can't
do
it
off
of
ridge
avenue.
We
don't
have
an
ada
access,
we
don't
have
sidewalks
that
will
get
you
to
the
part
of
the
building.
P
That
is
off
of
the
parking
lot
where
we
have
the
ada
access.
There's
the
council
chambers
pre-pandemic.
These
are
all
pre-pandemic
things
assuming
we'll
go
back
someday
they're
too
small
for
most
of
our
meetings
that
we
have
at
city
council
people
are
crowded
into
the
ante
chambers
into
the
hallway.
The
restrooms
are
poorly
distributed.
P
We
don't
have
male
and
female
restrooms
on
each
floor
and
this
building
itself
isn't
necessarily
centrally
located
to
the
evans
entire
evanston
community,
but
it
also
as
an
additional
problem,
has
a
poor
employee
experience
because
of
the
difficulty
directing
people
to
the
right
location.
We
also
can't
control
where
they
go,
there's
no
central
point
of
entry
and
consequently
we
have
had
a
lot
of
security
issues
here,
including
pretty
serious
theft
problems
over
the
years
for
employees,
there's
a
lack
of
forced
air
ventilation,
so,
in
particular,
in
a
pandemic
time
period.
P
That
is
not
give
you
good
feelings
about
the
air
quality
in
the
building
and
staff
are
frequently
disrupted
by
people
asking
for
directions.
My
own
office
is
next
to
the
permit
desk.
I
get
at
least
three
or
four
questions
a
day
about
the
permit
desk,
including.
Why
is
the
permit
desk
closed
for
lunch?
Where
is
the
permit
desk?
I
had
a
meeting
with
somebody
who's,
not
at
the
permit
desk,
but
I
don't
know
who
to
ask
to
actually
find
out
who
they
are
in
community
development.
I
direct
them
to
the
permit
desk.
P
So
when
we
look
at
the
overall
cost-
and
we
start
seeing
things
that
we
have
issues
with
security,
restroom
improvements,
window
issues,
asbestos
etc,
it
really
starts
to
add
up,
and
this
bill
is
concerning
to
staff.
We
did
not
want
to
leap
into
this
project
without
really
considering
all
of
our
options.
P
P
It's
not
meant
to
be
wired
for
modern
technology,
which
the
police
continues
to
invest
in
more
and
more,
and
so
we
have
a
lot
of
issues
with
fiber
connections,
data
closets,
running
more
I.t
stuff,
but
also
basic
security
there
as
well,
and
when
we
look
at
trying
to
upgrade
it
for
a
different
type
of
police
operation.
This
building
really
doesn't
have
a
lot
of
flexibility
for
additional
rooms
for
different
types
of
building
services.
P
The
victim
services-
it's
not
co-located
with
the
social
workers
that
are
health
and
human
services
group,
so
there's
problems
with
being
geographically
separate,
but
also
just
with
trying
to
reimagine
how
we
would
do
anything
differently
with
the
building,
and
so
we
haven't
actually
done
a
lot
of
detailed
study.
These
are
preliminary
estimates
of
the
needs
we
know,
but
we
expect
that
over
time
that
we
would
find
more
stuff,
and
so
we
brought
we
have.
P
We
have
considered
that
it
is
time
to
look
at
our
options,
not
that
it's
necessarily
impossible
to
stay
in
these
buildings,
but
that
it
would
be
thoughtful
to
get
better
information
about
what
would
be
the
financial
implications
of
choices,
and
for
that
reason
we
are
solicit.
We
have
solicited
proposals
and
recommending
award
of
the
relocation
feasibility
study
to
relocate
both
the
civic
center
and
the
police
fire
headquarters
to
a
one
location,
combined
location,
potentially
with
a
third
party
partner,
and
for
that
we
have,
in
this
study
a
scope
of
services.
P
That
includes
everything
from
trying
to
calculate
what
our
actual
space
needs
are
to
evaluating
different
sites,
estimating
the
cost
which
is
really
critical
and
determining
what
the
if
there
would
be
economic
benefits
to
the
downtown
if
we
were
to
move
into
a
down
location,
downtown
location.
This.
This
study
asked
for
the
consultant
to
evaluate
five
locations,
three
of
which
have
been
predetermined
by
staff
and
are
in
various
locations
near
the
downtown.
N
Thanks
laura,
I
had
a
question
that
one
of
the
public
commenters
picked
up
on
as
well
with
regards
to
what
the
low
price
bid
and
which
was
maybe
half
the
price
of
the
proposed
contractor.
If
you
could
just
speak
to
why
that
bit,
I
believe
it
was
from
no
I'm
missing.
P
Cushman
and
wakefield's
price
is
substantially
lower
than
any
of
the
other
four
proposals
that
we
had
received,
and
that
can't
I
mean
that
can
be
great,
but
it
can
also
be
a
red
flag
like
what
did
they
leave
out
of
the
project,
so
we
actually
moved
them
forward
to
an
interview
process
with
two
other
consultants
to
ask
various
questions,
and
they
really
did
not
give
a
very
good
interview
when
we
asked
them
questions
like.
Are
you
sure
you've
included
everything
they
more
or
less
indicated?
P
So
we
it
did
not
engender
confidence,
and
actually
this
is
a
group
of
people-
that's
supposed
to
lead
a
really
emotionally
fraught
and
complicated
public
engagement
process
to
get
public
feedback
on
what
we're
doing,
and
so.
For
that
reason
the
selection
committee
did
not
select
them
as
the
recommended
consultant.
S
Thank
you
laura.
I'm
actually
really
excited
about
this.
We've
been
talking
about
it
for
a
while
to
be
able
to
get
numbers
that
we
can
budget
to
make
a
decision
is
something
I'm
looking
forward
to
so
you
said
just
going
back,
I
wrote
down
7.1
and
that
was
just
for
hcac
in
our
building.
Yes,
so
that
doesn't
include
there,
it
is
so
it
was
actually
24
million
was
the
number
I
was
looking
for.
P
And-
and
I
will
tell
you,
many
of
these
estimates
are
really
rough
and
we
are
trying
to
get
an
order
of
magnitude
costs,
because
we
don't
have
the
ability
to
open
the
walls
and
determine
how
much
asbestos
is.
There
is,
but
we
know
there's
asbestos,
I
mean
we
have
acm
tiles
that
are
fraying
in
places
that
we
address.
We
know
there's
pipe
insulation,
so
I
mean
we're
we're
doing
our
our
estimates
for
budgetary
consideration.
Sure.
P
Yes,
if
you
look
in
the
five-year
cip
that
was
included
in
the
2022
budget
book,
you'll
see
these
both
for
the
civic
center
and
for
the
police
fire
headquarters,
but
especially
for
the
headquarters.
These
are
broken
down
into
a
lot
more
detail.
So
there's
a
foundation,
for
instance,
there's
a
foundation
issue
where
water
has
leaked
into
the
building
on
and
off
for
20
30
years
and,
unfortunately
because
they're,
using
every
square
inch
of
that
space.
It's
locker
rooms
and
storage
for
old
drawings
and
court
records
and
things
where
the
water
is
leaking.
S
And
so
my
final
question,
so
we're
already
up
to
north
of
30
million
dollars
and
out
of
the
study
is,
is
whoever
the
firm
is
exploring
different
locations?
S
P
Know
that
there's
been
some
interest
with
oakton
that
they
were
discussing
there
may
be
other
opportunities
which
the
consultant
will
help
us
identify.
S
Sense
makes
sense
good,
I'm
I'm
looking
forward
to
getting
this
information
back.
Thank
you.
A
He
canceled
his
request.
R
Well,
director
biggs,
like
councilmember
braithwaite.
I
am
looking
forward
to
this.
We
do
need
to
get
this
information
and
as
quickly
as
possible.
R
I
was
one
of
the
members
of
the
city
council
who
voted
three
times
to
leave
this
building
back
in
the
oughts,
and
it
was
for
all
of
the
types
of
reasons
that
you
are
presenting
right
now.
Unfortunately,
the
great
recession
came
in
and
dashed
those
plans.
A
lot
has
changed
in
those
14
15
years
in
terms
of
how
people
office,
we
know
a
lot
more
about.
What's
in
this
building
costs
have
only
grown,
and
we
know
that
we
do
we.
R
We
need
greater
synergies
between
our
police
fire
and
our
city
staff
and
that
even
back
when
u.s
equities
did
their
analysis.
I
remember
how
much
the
building
they
said
was
wasted
space,
and
that
was
quite
a
long
time
ago.
So
as
much
as
I
think
this
is
a
beautiful
building,
it
really
doesn't
work
well
as
an
office
building,
and
we've
known
that
for
a
very
long
time.
R
I
Here
it
will
be
if
it's
not
yet.
Thank
you.
So
I'm
also
a
little
bit
concerned
about
the
400
000.
I
mean
it's
an
enormous
amount
of
money
and
it
kind
of
suggests
that
what
we're
actually
purchasing
here
is
not
so
much
an
objective
study,
but
rather
a
conclusion
at
four
hundred
thousand
and
I
do
get
concerned
about
when
we're
assessing
this
based
on
the
interview
and
feelings
rather
than
on
quantifiable
measurements.
We
did
that
with
between
walsh
and
bully
and
andrew,
and
it
was
a
10
million
dollar
difference.
I
Walsh
was
number
one
and
quantifiable,
and
then
they
went
in
an
interview
decided
that
bullying
andrew
would
better
meet
our
minority
women
in
local
hiring,
and
then
they
didn't
for
10
million
dollars
more
because
we
knew
them
better.
So
I
like
that
in
itself,
I'd
rather
see
I'd
rather
see
evidence
of
experience
and
other
measurements
rather
than
you
know
the
feeling
from
an
interview.
I
I
just
that's
a
large
amount
of
money,
four
hundred
thousand
dollars,
so
I
would
you
know,
given
how
highly
charged
this
topic
is
and
how
passionate
I
feel
it's
a
very
beautiful
building
and
we
have
a
lot
of
parking
available
and
how
so
much
of
this
community
has
rallied
around
this
building
to
save
it
in
the
past.
I
would
really
like
to
have
this.
I
would
like
to
refer
this
to
committee
and
have
this
come
up
the
normal
way,
rather
than
being
a
special?
What
do
you
call
this?
A
special?
I
Yeah,
so
I'd
like
to
refer
this
to
committee,
I
don't
know
if
that
would
go
to
rules
for
jurisdiction
or
to
the
referrals
committee,
but
I
really
feel
this
needs
to
and
and
I
think
it
would
be
even
better
if
we
had
an
elected
official
given
how
highly
charged
this
this
topic
is
sponsor
it.
I
think
you
know
alderman,
bravoit
or
wynn.
I
think
somebody
should
get
behind
this
an
elected
official
to
to
actually,
I
think
that
would
be.
That
would
be
to
me.
T
So
nicholas
county
corporation
council,
I'm
not
really
sure
which
committee
will
go
to
so
the
city
council
rules
dictate
the
rules
committee
determines
jurisdiction.
I
know
we
also
have
the
referrals
committee
that
also
helps
to
refer
out
which
items
go
to
which
committees,
so
it
would
be
one
of
it
could
go
to
planning
and
development.
So
I'm
really
unsure.
T
I
Okay
and
not
to
referral
because
it's.
S
A
A
A
AM
Well,
I
was
just
going
to
have
one
question,
but
I
think
I'll
respond
to
councilmember
kelly's
concerns.
It
seems
to
me
to
be
able
to
have
much
of
a
meaningful
conversation.
We
need
the
information
that
the
consultant
is
going
to
be
giving
us
about.
AM
You
know
how
much
it
would
cost
to
make
this
building
work.
The
way
we
want
it
to
work
versus
what
it
would
cost
to
move
and
relocate
someplace
else.
So
I
I
think
the
next
step
really
is
to
engage
this
consultant
to
give
us
more
information
that
we
really
need.
So
now
to
my
question,
which
is
for
the
other
chart,
because
you
had
mentioned
yeah
the
customer
service
aspects
or
difficulties
with
this
building,
so
does
that
24
million
include
any
kind
of
remodeling
to
improve
the
customer
service.
P
It
does
it's.
The
one
thing
I
will
say
that
really
doesn't
entirely
include
is
all
the
ada
improvements
that
we
are
doing
a
separate
study
right
now.
In
fact,
they
were
in
this
building
today
doing
the
evaluation
for
the
ada
transition
study.
But
it
when
you
do
security
improvements,
you're
you're
putting
doors
in
different
locations.
P
You
may
have
glass
partitions.
We
may
address
some
of
the
exterior
doors,
so
they
work
a
little
bit
better
and
doing
all
that
you're
moving
stuff
around,
and
so
typically
you
have
to
make
a
lot
of
modifications
to
your
hvac
and
electrical
systems.
While
you
do
those
types
of
improvements,
so,
although
it's
not
required,
we
do
everything
at
once.
P
It
makes
sense
to
do
everything
sort
of
in
phase
with
each
other,
so
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
the
whole
building
gets
addressed
in
one
six
month
period,
but
it
does
mean
that
we
somehow
phase
the
improvement
so
that
we
take
all
the
things
into
account.
So
we're
not
continually
doing
construction
over
and
over
again.
M
I
guess
my
overall
con
concern,
I
mean
I
understand
you
have
to
do
a
study
to
figure
out
what
you
have
to
do,
but
just
as
you
mentioned,
we're
doing
the
ada
study.
Now
we've
done
hvac,
you
know
we.
I
guess
my
overall
concern-
and
this
is
not
necessarily
you
laura,
but
as
a
city
itself
is
we
do
lots
of
studies
and
then
we
do
nothing
with
them
or
we
do
some
stuff
with
them.
M
And
then
we
come
back
a
few
years
later
and
say
it
wasn't
enough
stuff,
so
it
would
be
great
and
outside
of
the
comprehensive
plan.
That's
for
something
else
to
just
like
make
a
decision
right
I
mean
I
don't
know
how
much
we
spent
on
studies
and
I
didn't
follow
your
slide
fast
enough
to
see.
But
I
imagine
there's
been
some
studies
at
the
police
department
which
I
will
say
is
falling
apart.
M
M
You
know
I
I
get
that
we
need
to
study
to
see
what
we're
going
to
do,
but
I
also
wish
that
we
can
have
at
some
point
some
other
kind
of
conversation
about.
Do
we
even
have
you
know
interests
up
here
and
having
this
conversation
about
selling
the
building
right,
because
we
spend
300
thousand
dollars
and
don't
sell
it
because
the
citizens
don't
want
us
to
sell
it,
and
you
know
I
know
when
I
was
doing
knocking
years
ago.
M
There
was
a
lady
who
showed
me
her
yard
sign
for
the
sale
campaign
last
time
and
told
me
how
she
would
do
it
again,
which
is
her
prerogative
to
do,
but
I
guess
it
kind
of
spins
wills
to
spend
the
money
to
have
the
staff.
Do
it
to
hire
the
consultant
and
then
not
do
it,
because
the
citizens
come
out
and
yell
and
don't
want
to
do
it
and
we
decide
not
to
do
it.
M
So
I
guess
I
say
all
that
just
to
say
I'm
hesitant
to
spend
the
money,
knowing
how
much
we've
spent
on
studies
in
the
past
and
you've
shelved
them,
because
we
haven't
wanted
to
spend
the
money
or
whatever
other
reason.
So
I
guess
my
question
or
my
not
even
question
statement
to
my
peers
would
be
that
we
need
to
really
decide
if
this
is
something
we're
willing
to
move
on.
Regardless
of
what
the
numbers
say,
the
number
is
going
to
be
high.
M
You
know
be
serious
that
we
want
to
do
with
this,
because
I
don't
really
want
to
spend
the
money,
although
I
know
the
need,
because
I
haven't
really
seen
us
move
forward
when
we
spent
this
kind
of
money
on
things.
The
other
part
of
this
that's
just
unfortunate
in
terms
of
timing
is
you
know
there
is
the
tif.
There
is
concern
that
the
civic
center
is
in
the
tift,
and
so
that's
only
gonna.
You
know
that
people
feel
like
we're
doing
the
tip
just
to
sell
the
civic
center
now
you're.
M
Talking
about
this,
which
again
is
you
know,
I
understand
the
engineering
necessity
of
it
but
the
timing
of
it.
Your
comment
earlier
about
the
conversation
around
partnering
with
oakton,
which
I
have
said
many
times.
We
should
not
be
having
conversations
kind
of
skirting
around
selling
the
building
unless
we're
talking
about
selling
the
building.
So
all
those
things
just
kind
of
add
to
citizen
frustration
right.
M
It
looks
like
we're
doing
everything,
but
talking
about
the
elephant
in
the
room,
so
you
know
study
aside,
those
are
my
concerns
just
about
the
topic
and
I,
like
melissa,
have
no
loyalties
to
the
building.
I
just
would
rather
us
have
a
conversation
about
if
we
really
want
to
sell
a
building,
knowing
that
it's
going
to
be
a
hefty
price
tag
that
we're
going
to
have
to
bond
for
then,
let's
just
have
that
conversation
and
peter
don't
screen
your
eyes.
I
know
you're
going
to
say
the
study
is
going
to.
M
A
So
that's
the
end
of
everyone,
who's
requested
to
speak
for
a
first
time.
A
few
folks
want
to
speak
for
a
second
time,
beginning
with
council
member
kelly,
who
has
three
minutes
remaining.
I
So
again,
and
just
to
respond
to
eleanor,
I
it
was
about
spending
the
400
000.
That's
what
I
wanted
to
refer
to
committee,
whether
this
is
really
you
know
what
we
have
the
appetite
for
in
terms
of
since
we
had
another
other
options
at
200
000..
So
it
wasn't
so
much
as
you
know
whether
or
not
we
need
to
do
a
full
analysis.
But
whether
or
not
I
mean
that's
a
lot
of
money,
so
200
versus
400,
and
that's
that's
why
I
wanted
it
referred
to
committee.
AM
I
I
W
I
Okay,
I'd
like
to
amend
it
mend
this
to
to
hire
a
consultant
at
200
rather
than
400
000.
N
A
Want
this
motion
in
writing
before
I
will
entertain
it,
please
perhaps,
while
you're
working
on
that
kind
of
subsequent
speakers
and
you'll,
let
me
know
when
it's
when
it's
ready
next
is
council
member
braithwaite,
who
has
three
minutes
and
50
seconds
left.
Thank.
S
You
so
to
alderman
fleming.
I
want
to
make
sure
my
there
are
no
wrinkles
so
reviewing
we're
looking
at
a
30
million
dollar
debt
that
we
can
assume,
because
that
number
is
up
there.
The
cost
is
four
hundred
thousand
to
explore
the
alternative.
We
know
what
the
thirty
million
dollars
look
like
lara.
I
guess
there
are
a
couple
of
things
that
I
wanted
to
see
if
we
could
add
that,
hopefully
all
the
employment
will
agree
to
so.
S
If
we're
looking
at
the
total
cost
of
everything,
when
we
make
our
decision
can
we
include
a
so
what
I'm
looking
for
potential
sale
costs
for
the
civic
center
parcel
along
with
what
the
potential
tax
opportunities
would
be
depending
if
you
want
to
do
housing
or
large
development
based
on
current
zoning
in
the
areas.
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
assumptions,
so,
let's
just
ballpark
and
then
in
addition,
let's
also
look
at
the
sale
for
the
parcel
of
the
fire
police
and
fire
operations.
S
What
that
area
is
zoned
for,
along
with
potential
taxes
as
well,
so
there
it
is
every
all
the
decision,
all
the
key
information
that
anyone
would
want
to
make
a
decision
right.
The
debt
of
this
building
plus
the
others.
We
we
have
that
number
and
then
we'll
know
the
full
potential.
If
you
were
to
sell
the
two
other
parcels,
not
to
mention
the
fact
that
they're,
both
coming
back
on
the
tax
roll.
P
P
It
as
a
change
order
to
the
next
council
meeting.
I
can
get
the.
S
S
Could
tell
you
what
they
would
sell
it
for
correct.
I
don't
want
to
get
too
busy
with
it.
I'm
just
saying
that
if
you
want
all
the
information,
those
are
the
pieces
of
information
at
the
appropriate
time
not
to
slow
it
down.
Hopefully,
I'm
not
being
confusing.
Just
that's
the
information
that
we're
looking
for.
W
P
To
the
consultant
first,
okay,
so
I
will,
but
I
will
talk
to
them
and
I
will
see
if
we
can
get
some
cursory
information
and
if
we
want
more
detailed
information,
how
would
that
cost
right?
S
R
I
will
try
to
fit
my
comments
in
number
one.
Just
in
terms
of
I
do
not
support
going
with
a
different
bidder.
Anyone
who's
contracted
for
anything
even
on
their
own
home
knows
that
when
you
have
two
or
three
bids
that
all
come
in
very
closely
together
and
then
you
have
a
low
bidder.
Something
is
wrong
with
the
low
bidder
and
I
am
not
going
to
second
guess
our
staff
on
these
things.
They're
professionals.
R
They
know
what
they're
doing
and
I'm
not
going
to
say,
I'm
not
going
to
question
on
the
question
them
on
that
we
have
two
bidders
who
are
almost
identical
and
then
one
that's
significantly
lower.
That's
a
red
flag.
Okay
number!
Two!
There
are
only
two
people.
I
think
in
this
room,
john
kennedy
and
me
who
remember
exactly
what
happened
and
we
were
on
opposite
sides
of
the
issue.
R
It
wasn't
just
that
we
studied
this
issue
and
voted
unanimously
because
lorraine
morton
bless
her
heart
did
not
have
a
vote
unanimously.
The
council
voted
unanimously
three
times
to
leave
this
building
because
of
the
cost
to
continue
to
stay
here.
But
the
plan
that
we
had
then
was
based
on
a
very
hot
real
estate
market,
and
we
were,
we
were
looking
for
places
in
downtown
evanston
to
switch,
and
we
wanted
to
do
it
all
in
one
complicated
procedure
that
was
too
complicated.
R
R
I'm
not
surprised
that
this
is
more
expensive.
U.S
equities
did
not
study
consolidating
the
police
and
fire
department
along
with
the
civic
center.
It's
a
very
good
idea.
When
we
talk
about
these
things
as
studies,
I
don't
think
many
members
of
the
council
recognize
how
detailed
this
is
and
how
much
work
goes
into
this,
and
I
wish
we
had
another
word
for
study,
because
the
analysis
is
a
cost
analysis,
a
location
analysis.
R
What
is
the
programming
that
happens
from
the
police
department,
the
fire
department,
as
as
council
member
fleming
said,
our
police
department
is
it's
bursting
at
the
seams.
The
building
is,
is
ancient
look
at
our
surrounding
communities.
All
of
them
have
built
new
police
and
fire
departments
in
the
last
40
years.
R
We
I
think
we
should
get
these
numbers.
I
think,
just
to
show
the
public
exactly
how
much
it
would
cost
to
stay
here
versus
consolidating
and
being
in
a
location
in
our
downtown
which
creates
foot
traffic
that
will
help
our
downtown
businesses
that
does
provide
parking.
All
of
these
issues
can
be
analyzed.
Yes,
this
has
free
parking.
We
can
arrange
to
have
free
parking
in
our
downtown
as
well.
This
is
what
this
analysis
and
study-
and
you
know
I
I
wish
I
had
more
words
for
it.
R
R
We
are
not
centrally
located.
We
it's
shameful,
nothing
to
say
about
the
staff
that
anyone
who
approaches
this
building,
who
has
mobility
issues
from
ridge,
has
to
get
all
the
way
around
to
the
back
of
the
building,
and
I
don't
know
that
there's
even
a
sidewalk
for
them
to
do
that.
R
Think
we
need
to
move
forward.
We
should
not
put
this
send
this
on
to
any
other
committee,
and
I
and
I
think
it's
disrespectful
of
our
staff
to
start
questioning
them
on
their
professionalism
on
on
analyzing
bids.
That's
what
they
do.
That's
what
they're
trained
to
do.
That's
what
they've
been
doing
very
successfully
with
us
for
years.
Thank
you.
A
C
Well,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
also
seeking
just
now.
No
one
would
know
seeking
recognition.
I
So
again,
I
would
actually
like
to
refer
this
to
ap
w
it's
about
the
bid
and
just
to
ensure-
and
you
know,
we're
all
elected
to
not
just
be
spoon,
fed
everything
we're
here
as
to
exercise
our
fiduciary
responsibility
to
oversee
our
budget
and
to
be
stewards
of
our
tax
dollars.
So
this
is
not
we
we.
You
know,
of
course,
value
and
appreciate
staff's
input,
but
that
is
you
know.
One
of
our
roles
is
to
ensure
that
we're
spending
our
tax
dollars
wisely.
I
A
Oh
sorry,
so,
council
member
kelly
moves
to
refer
item
sp1
to
mpw
councilmember
suffered
in
seconds.
Is
there
any
discussion
on
the
motion
seeing
none
with
the.
AB
C
Should
be
gone
so
I
I,
I
think,
a
study
or
analysis
all
the
words
that
thompson
number
one
was
looking
for
makes
sense.
Here
I
worked
in
the
building
as
the
city
clerk
for
four
years
and
I
certainly
understand
some
of
the
struggles
so
whether
we're
going
to
ultimately
decide
to
sell
the
building
or
put
in
the
as
council
member
birth
weight
is
highlighted,
the
you
know
roughly
30
million
dollars
between
the
two
buildings.
C
C
Don't
know
they
would
say
that
we
shouldn't
question
staff,
but
I
think
in
this
case
this
you
know
the
staff's
analysis
here
makes
sense
and
I'm
not
supportive
of
referring
it
to
another
committee
and
just
for
laura
our
police
department.
If
my
memory
serves
correct
was
was
built
in
the
1920s
or
30s.
C
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
T
Make
sure
that
what's
happening
right
now
is
actually
in
in
line
with
1-17-1
of
the
city
code,
which
is
our
purchasing
ordinance.
So
you
can
just
give
me
a
moment.
A
Well,
let's
so
I
think
that's,
I
agree
with
that.
Let's
so
I'd
like
the
clerk
to
call
the
role
on
council
member
kelly's
motion
to
refer
sp1
to
a
pw.
C
M
M
AN
A
With
three
voting
in
favor
and
six
voting
against
the
notion
fails.
C
M
I
A
With
five
voting
in
favor
and
for
voting
against
item
sp1
passes,
this
brings
us
to
the
consent
agenda.
I
have
come
bearing
several
requests,
so
I'm
removing
item
a5
from
the
consent
agenda
because
it
did
not
make
it
out
of
apw
removing
item
a21
from
the
consent
agenda,
because
I
hope
you
won't
override
my
veto
and
I've
been
asked
to
remove
items
ed1
and
r2
as
well.
So.
AI
R
And
would
you
remove
a19
mr
mayor
a19.
A
Sorry,
I'm
just
great
p2,
okay
customer
kelly.
I
So
all
of
the
tiff
items
is
that
a9,
let's
see
a9
a16
and
a17
and
a15.
A
A
L
A
Sixteen,
a
seventeen,
a
nineteen,
a
twenty
one,
p
two
e
d,
one
and
r
two
so
move.
Second
council
member
braithwaite
moves
that
we
passed
the
consensus
atom
except
for
items;
82859
10,
a
11,
a
15
16
17,
19
19,
a
21,
p,
2
e
d,
1
r,
2
council
member
fleming
seconds.
Is
there
any
discussion
sitting
down
with
the
clerk?
Please
call
the
roll.
B
Council,
member
reid,
aye
council
member
fleming,
aye
council
member
kelly,
aye
council
member
bracelet,
all
right
council
member
gwen,
councilmember
nussma,
aye
councilmember
burns
aye
councilmember
suffered
in.
A
On
a
vote
of
nine
to
zero,
the
consent
agenda
agenda,
passes
council
member
braithwaite.
Would
you
no
sorry,
we
have
new
chairs,
don't
we.
AG
A
Councilmember
burns
is
that
right,
yep
councilmember
burns?
Would
you
like
to
make
a
motion
on
item
a2.
AO
AO
A
A
second
second
councilman
burns
moves
item:
a2
council
member
braithwaite
seconds
any
discussion
council.
Member
fleming.
M
Yeah,
I
had
a
question
about
this,
so
I
know
from
the
memo
that
they
were.
Tesco
was
going
to
be
not
outsourcing
but
working
with
the
skatepark
people.
I'm
sorry,
I'm
trying
to
find
my
memo
here.
Miss
laura
laura
still
here
so
is.
Was
there
a
reason,
or
did
we
reach
directly
out
to
the
skatepark
contractors
themselves
to
let
them
know
this
bit
was
out
versus
going
through
tesco
and
having
them
being
a
subcontractor.
P
So
all
we
did
is
our
standard
procedure
where
we
publicly
advertised
it
and
the
normal
publications
demand
star
and
pioneer
press,
and
we
have
a
pre-proposal
meeting,
and
so
the
skatepark
manufacturer
company
came
to
the
pre-proposal
meeting,
as
did
tesca
and
a
number
of
other
organizations,
and
they
all
signed
an
attendance
form.
And
then
we
release
that
attendance
form
to
everybody
who
showed
up
to
the
pre-proposal
meeting,
so
it
they
start
making
connections
there
and
they
build
their
teams
there.
I
don't
really
know
what
communications
they
had.
Otherwise,
okay.
M
M
Yes,
it
has-
and
I
know
from
several
residents
in
my
community-
they
have
not
been
necessarily
that
excited
by
some
of
our
processes,
so
I
wanted
to
make
sure
particularly
the
ones
who
were
involved
in
deerfield
or
wherever
spawn
ranch
or
whatever
they
were
came
from
that
we
at
least
had
reached
out
to
them
understanding.
They
are
a
key
manufacturer
in
this
space
in
the
u.s.
I
So
I
do
just
want
to
point
out.
I
know
I
just
want
to
reiterate
just
so:
it's
the
skate
community
has
said
over
and
over
again
that
this
should
be
a
design
build
contract,
and
I
know
we
had
two
members
on
the
rfp
process,
but
I
think
it
should
just
be
stated
that
they
really
felt
very
strongly
about
that,
and
I
know
there's
now.
I
just
want
to
state
it
a
commitment
and
maybe
council
member
burns
can
talk
to
it
about
a
street.
I
I
feel
like
there
should
be
a
subcommittee
of
apnw
of
for
this
skate
park
to
make
sure
that
we
get
it
right,
since
we
are
not
going
with
a
design
build
just
to
be
engaged
every
step
of
the
way,
but
in
lieu
of
a
subcommittee
of
the
a
w
can
either
laura
or
bobby.
Can
you
reiterate
here
what
what
the
plan
is
in
terms
of
keeping
the
skate
community
engaged.
P
So
on
our
our
larger
projects,
we
typically
do
have
a
strategic
advisory
committee
that
consists
of
one
or
two
aldermen,
but
then
also
the
stakeholder
groups,
which
in
this
case
would
be
skate
park
or
skateboard
people,
potentially
neighbors
of
the
location
or
from
the
neighbor
the
adjoining
areas,
and
that
group
will
meet
and
meet
before
any
public
meetings.
So
they
will
sort
of
vet
the
ideas
so
that
the
ideas
that
are
presented
to
the
public,
all
the
skate,
all
the
stakeholders
are
on
board
with.
P
M
There
are
already
quite
a
few
residents
who
participated
in
their
conversation,
so
hopefully
they
will
still
be
reached
out
too,
and
I
would
just
continue
to
make
a
plug
for
the
young
skaters,
because
speaking
to
some
of
them,
they've
come
to
meetings,
but
they
don't
always
feel
like
as
young
people.
Their
voices
are
heard
so
be
great.
To
have.
Some
young
skaters
on
the
committee
of
time
allows
if
their
time
allows.
A
This
brings
us
to
item
a8
council
member
burns.
Would
you
like
to
make
a
motion
there.
C
M
Oh,
I
I
pulled
this
one
off
just
because
I
wasn't
supportive.
I
I
know
sean
has
answered
a
bazillion
questions.
I've
had,
but
it
just.
I
continue
to
be
concerned
about
the
number
of
vehicles
that
we
are
purchasing
again,
particularly
given
that
half
our
staff
are
still
working
at
home.
I
know
these
vehicles
are
used,
but
when
you
look
at
the
mileage
and
things
it
just,
you
know,
I
would
love
to
just,
and
you
know,
there's
not
really
a
question
to
answer
them
get
just
given
my
opinion.
M
Sean
continue
to
just
see
us
think
about
this
a
little
differently,
particularly
because
we're
looking
at
urpa
funding
and,
as
I
said
earlier,
we
talked
about
having
some
more
pointed
discussions
about
arbor
funding,
and
this
one
is
one
that
people
might
not
be
tuned
into
because
it's
not
listed.
You
know
we're
not
listing
this
as
like
an
art
for
discussion.
C
Two
questions,
I
guess
well,
it
looks
like
sean
has
not
at
the
podium
anymore.
I
had
questions,
and
forgive
me
just
please
indulge
me
if
it
was
in
the
packet
with
this.
I
don't
know
if
my
questions
regarding
there
are
a
number
of
vehicles
that
are
from
2017,
particularly
in
the
police
department.
I
just
wanted
questions
about
why
we
are
replacing
2017
vehicles
and
I
don't
remember
an
explicit
response
to
that.
AI
Sure
no
problem,
good
morning,
mayor
and
members
of
the
city
council,
sean
cholek
facilities
and
fleet
management
manager.
To
answer
your
question,
so
we've
got
a
repurposing
program
in
place.
AI
AI
Other
than
the
police
department
who
you
know,
we
don't
want
to
risk
them
having
an
issue
with
the
vehicles
as
they're
as
they're,
responding
to
something
so
it's
listed
on
there
as
a
2017,
but
a
lot
of
times.
What
we'll
be
doing
is
repurposing
it
and
taking
an
older
vehicle,
maybe
a
2008,
2010,
2012
and
and
auctioning
one
of
those
off
so.
AI
Yes,
those
will
all
be
repurposed
and
and
moved
along
to
a
different
different
operation.
AI
Okay,
do
you
happen
to
know
where
not
at
this
moment
it?
You
know
we,
we,
we
kind
of
evaluate
where
we're
at
with
everything
and
and
what
other
you
know,
what
the
needs
are
in
other
other
operations,
and
then
we
we
determine
a
place
for
them.
A
new
home.
C
Okay
and
then
this
next
question
is
likely
for
kate.
If
she
happens
to
be
here
or
or
anyone
from
the
budget
team.
Can
someone
just
remind
us
if,
if
we
vote
to
approve
this
eight
hundred
and
some
thousand
dollars,
what
is
our
total
arpa
spending?
C
For
you
know,
for
this
year
for
2021
we've
received
20
million
in
the
bank
of
american
rescue
plan
act
funds
thus
far,
I'm
sorry
21
or
22
million
to
be
more
accurate,
and
what
have
we
spent
thus
far,
including
the
fund
that
if
we
support
this
tonight,.
AP
Good
evening
the
mayor
members
of
the
city,
council
and
council
member
reid,
so
we
have
received
around
21.5
million
this
year
as
a
part
of
the
airport
grants
and
the
city
council
has
adopted
a
few
projects.
Three
million
dollars
for
waterfront
parking
projects
for
950,
000,
700
000
for
guaranteed
income.
And
if
I
include
these
850
000,
the
total
would
be
five
and
a
half
million
dollars.
C
Well,
I
think
the
number's
a
bit
higher
than
that,
if
maybe
I'm
incorrect
but
yeah
I
mean
five
and
a
half
million
dollars
is
already
a
fourth
of
all
of
the
money
that
we
we
have
for
for
this
year,
I'm
under
the
impression
the
number's
a
little
higher
closer
to
six
or
seven,
but
you
are
the
cfo.
AP
A
On
a
vote
of
7
to
2
item
a8
passes,
this
brings
us
to
item
a9,
which
is,
by
my
count,
one
of
five
items
related
to
the
tiff
councilmember
burns.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
combine
some
or
all
of
them,
as
was
done
two
weeks
ago
or
four
weeks
ago,.
AO
Sure
resolution
88.21
city
of
evanston
commitments
concerning
the
proposed
five
fifths,
tif
district-
I
don't
know,
should
we
combine
them.
Do
I
try
to
read
all
of
them?
I.
AO
C
A
I
We
will
be
taking
a
lot
of
money
away
from
our
school
districts
and
our
public
services
with
this,
and
I
do
think
you
know
we
speak
of
putting
equity
at
the
forefront
of
our
priorities.
I
feel
absolutely
that
we
should
be
budgeting
for
the
fifth
ward
for
the
concerns
that
this
tiff
is
professing
to
address.
I
think
that
this
I
think
that
we
should
this.
I
This
should
be
our
responsibility
to
really
scrutinize
and
prioritize
and
reallocate
funds
appropriately,
so
that
we
meet
those
needs
that
we
claim
that
we
are
so
so
centrally
focused,
and
you
know
again
we're
diverting
we're.
Gonna
be
diverting
a
lot
of
money
from
away
from
our
schools
and
from
our
public
services.
I
We
need
to
figure
out
how
to
budget
for
our
priorities
and
not
use
a
tool
that
has
such
you
know,
and
a
long
history
and
a
pervasive
history
of
of
negatively
impacting
communities,
particularly
low
income
and
middle
income
communities,
and
so
with
that,
and
with
that
I
would
like
to
refer
this
everything
related
to
tiff.
I
think
this
should
be
referred
to
our
finance
and
budget
committee.
I
C
C
C
A
Council
member,
I'm
going
to
rule
the
motion
in
order.
Okay,
I
understand
a
couple
of
reads
point,
but
I
think
one
could
argue
both
sides
and
I'd
rather
not
argue
either
side.
So
councilmember
kelly
moves
to
refer
item
a9
to
the
finance
and
budget
committee.
Is
there
a
second.
M
Yeah
go
ahead,
so
these
all
need
to
travel
together,
I'm
assuming
right
because
they
are
dealing
with
the
same
thing.
So
then
we
would
have
to
vote
on
every
ordinance
so.
A
I
think
there
was
a
so
a9
is
the
resolution
regarding
our
commitments.
A10
authorizes
the
city
manager
to
execute
the
iga,
and
then
a
15
through
17
are
the
three
ordinances
that
sort
of
execute
the
tif
itself,
and
so
there
was
a
request
to
break
it
into
three
votes:
a9
a10
and
then
the
other
three
smosh
together
got.
M
A
W
I
Kelly
aye,
and
by
the
way
it
is
written,
I
sent
it
to
you
a
long,
whereas
statement.
K
N
A
Three
voting
in
favor
and
six
voting
against
the
motion
to
reference.
AM
A
Thank
you
for
your
indulgence
of
that
error.
Now,
with
three
members
voting
I
and
six
voting.
No,
the
motion
to
refer
item
a9
to
the
finance
and
budget
committee
fails.
Is
there
further
discussion
on
item
a9
itself,
seeing
none?
Oh
council
member
news,
no.
N
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
so
just
to
reiterate
a9
is
the
resolution
which
is
embodying
our
commitments
as
a
council.
The
guide
rails,
we're
putting
on
on
ourselves
and
on
future
councils,
and
I
understand
that
we'll
be
very
shortly
talking
about
the
iga
I'll
reserve.
Some
comments
on
that
for
that
particular
item.
At
this
point
I
just
like
to
express
my
desire
that
the
language
of
our
resolution
and
the
iga
ideally
should
match
each
other
and
be
mirror
images
at
the
moment.
They're
very
close,
but
not
quite
so.
N
N
I
am
proposing
the
first
course
of
action
because
our
resolution
goes
beyond
what's
included
in
the
iga.
Our
resolution
includes
our
commitment
to
the
the
citizens
advisory
committee,
which
I
think
is
a
very
important
part
of
the
guide
rails,
we're
putting
on
ourselves.
N
I
think
in
the
best
interest
of
transparency
for
15
16
years
down
the
line
to
have
two
documents
you
know
very
to
to
be
to
have
two
documents
that
aren't
quite
identical
would
be
confusing
and
it's
in
everyone's
best
interest
if
they,
if
they
match
each
other,
exactly.
S
Yeah
I'll
I'll,
be
brief.
I'm
also
going
to
be
supporting
this,
but
I've
said
consistently
that
having
voted
on
a
number
of
these,
this
is
the
first
time
that
I've
seen
where
our
city
and
in
the
district
65
have
come
up
with
a
document,
keeping
in
mind
that
district
65
nor
202
votes
on
any
of
these
budget
items,
as
this
is
an
economic
development
tool.
S
So
I
will,
on
the
news,
look
forward
to
see
whatever
you
come
up
with,
but
just
something
to
keep
in
mind
as
a
matter
of
precedence
that
we
do
not
do
these
ever
intergovernmental
agreements,
particularly
when
it
comes
to
budget
items
and
forecasting
long-term
budget
is
just
my
comment.
Thank
you
seeking.
AL
C
Yeah,
this
isn't
what
I
want
to
say,
but
this
is
not
the
idea
that
we're
voting
on
now.
This
is
the
resolution,
and
so,
given
that
it's
the
resolution,
I
actually
want
to
commend
my
colleague
from
the
5th
ward,
who
led
on
this
resolution,
which
puts
constraints
in
place
that
are,
unlike
any
other
tif,
that
we
have
in
this
city,
particularly
with
the
tiff
advisory
panel.
That
will
have
a
stay
in
how
these
two
dollars
are
spent.
C
I
I
would
actually
like
someone
from
either
the
law
department
or
council
member
burns
himself
to
discuss
that
portion
of
it,
because
I
think
that's.
What
really
is
you
know?
A
key
piece
of
transparency
will
give
folks
my
understanding
of
give
folks
another
opportunity
or
it'll
give
folks
several
opportunities
whenever
there's
an
expenditure
from
this
tip
an
opportunity
to
weigh
in
both
at
that
advisory
board
level,
and
then,
when
it
ultimately
comes
to
council.
AO
Yeah,
so
a
seven-member
advisory
committee,
which
is
similar
somewhat
to
chicago
and
maine.
I
believe
chicago
and
maine
have
had
an
advisory
committee
for
a
time.
This
one
is,
is
structured
a
bit
different
in
that
it,
and
maybe
the
chicago
mainstream
was
structured.
AO
Similarly,
but
three
of
the
members
will
will
be
required
to
live
within
the
tif
boundary
one
out
of
the
tif
boundary,
a
member
from
the
hill
arts
association,
which
is
a
business
organization
in
the
ward
one
from
seba,
which
is
another
business
organization,
and
then
whoever
the
fifth
ward
council
member
is
at
that
at
that,
at
the
time
of
the
meeting
and
and
then
some
ex-officio
non-voting
members,
housing
coordinator
and
economic
development
manager
for
the
city,
whomever
that
is
at
the
time
and
as
council
members
said,
you
know
reviewing
tif
expenditures
as
well
as
coming
up
with
the
home
repair
guidelines
and
and
and
also
the
the
business
improvement
guidelines.
C
T
Me
one
second,
I
was
reviewing
the
statute
regarding
creating
this
actual
commission
in
the
the
staggered
requirements
of
the
the
members,
because
I
thought
that
I
was
going
to
get
a
question
on
that
from
councilman
reid,
but
I'm
going
to
pull
up
the
resolution
now
to
see
the
language
give
me
one.
Second,.
C
And
then
you
know
as
you're
looking
that
up,
I
think
you
know
for
folks
who
have
you
know,
concerns
about
the
tiff.
I
I
know
alderman
nisma
is
going
to
bring
this
back
up
for
to
create
some
continuity
between
the
iga,
which
is
also
a
good
thing
on
this.
C
I
think,
if,
if
you're,
if
you
want
to
get
some
commitments
and
your
goal
is
to
actually
make
sure
that
this
is
a
good
tool,
this
this
iga
is
I'm
sorry,
it's
mixed
up
words
now
this
resolution
that
binds
the
you
know
the
council
is
the
place
to
do
that,
and
so
I
hope
we
can
get
together
between
the
next
time
before
the
next
time.
This
comes
up
and
work
in
you
know
any
further
improvements
that
you
know
we
come
up
with
later.
T
Connor,
so
the
language
and
the
resolution,
neither
neither
the
language
in
the
resolution
nor
the
language
in
the
state
law
puts
any
sort
of
constraints
on
the
term
of
the
advisory
committee
or
the
commission,
so
it
could
be
in
existence
for
the
entirety
of
the
tif,
which
is
23
years.
C
Well,
so
then,
if
it's
not
clear
that
it
has
to
be
in
existence
for
the
entirety
of
the
tif,
that
is
a
motion
that
I
would
like
to
an
amendment
that
I
would
like
to
make,
and
I
I
have
to
put
that
in
writing.
I'll
send
an
email
now,
but
certainly
I'd
like
the
language
to
be
clear,
that
this
advisory
board
will
exist
for
the
life
of
the
tif.
T
There's
no
there's
no
term
limit
spelled
out
in
the
resolution,
so
it
could
be
there
for
the
entirety
of
the
23
years.
It
does
not
say
that
explicitly
that
it
shall
be
in
existence
for
the
entirety
of
the
tif
and
perpetuity,
but
it
also
doesn't
say
that
it's
only
gonna
be
for
the
first
five
years
or
anything
like
that.
T
So
you
know
based
upon
the
way
that
this
it's
drafted
once
the
mayor
appoints
the
seven
member
advisory
committee.
That
committee
would
exist
as
long
as
the
tiffit
would
exist.
C
Well,
so
then,
in
that
case,
well,
if
it's
not
clear
that
it
is
mandated
to
exist
for
the
life
of
the
term,
I
I
would
like
to
make
that
amendment
to
the
resolution
to
ensure
that
this
this
board
exists
and
for
the
life
of
the
tif,
so
council
coming
in
is
their
language
that
you
would
recommend
that
I
send
to
you
and
mayor
biss.
In
this
moment
it
sounds
like
it's
a
simple
sentence
that
you
know
whatever
this
board
is
called
shall
exist
for
the
life
of
the
tif.
T
T
C
Or
are
you
right,
correct,
correct,
correct
shell
exists,
I'm
sorry
what,
as
long
as
the
tip
existed,
what
was
the
language
that
you
used.
T
It's
just
section
nine
of
the
of
88
r21.
C
Okay,
so
I.
C
I'm
sorry
nine
point:
what.
T
It's
it's
on
page
243
of
the
packet.
C
Well,
I
I
mean
I
I'm
saying
this
to
you
all,
so
it's
for
my
motion,
you
know
so
all
right.
C
Very
clear
what
the
motion
is,
so
I
I
make
that
motion
as
I
guess.
I'm
asking
for
a
second.
A
All
right
so,
while
you're
putting
that
into
writing,
because
I
think
the
clerk
is
also
a
bit
confused
about
what
exactly
I
mean.
So
we
would
like
to
see
it
in
writing.
While
you
do
that,
councilman
usma
has,
I
think,
two
minutes
left
if
you
to.
N
N
Yeah,
the
idea
is
to
revise
the
resolution
to
match
the
iga,
since
the
iga
is
fresher,
newer
and
negotiated
with
a
third
party.
A
A
C
Yes,
I'm
sorry,
I
blanked
out
there
and
did
not
realize
that
that
was
an
active
question
yeah.
No,
I
I
I
think
this
is
important
to
to
be
in
the
language
up
front,
and
it
would.
This
is
important
for
my
support
of
this.
I
think
that's
a
key
part
of
it,
so
I
think
it's
a
minor
change
and
I've
just
sent
it
off
it's
it's
inserting
a
sentence
that
just
ensures
that
this
will
this
advisory
board
will
exist
as
long
as
the
the
gift
exists.
A
Second,
mr
cummings.
L
T
Council
as
to
the
interplay
between
a9.
H
T
10.
a9
was
the
city's
original
plan
to
try
and
again
make
commitments
to
how
tif
dollars
were
spent.
We
were
informed
that
district
65
would
not
support
the
tif,
absent
intergovernmental
agreement,
and
so
a10
has
now
been
negotiated
is
on
the
agenda.
We
have
an
agreement.
T
The
in
original
intent,
at
least
in
going
to
the
table
to
negotiate
was
that
we
would
not
need
a9,
and
so
it's
fine
that
it's
being
amended
and
it's
going
to
be
get
a
vote,
but
a9
was
there
in
lieu
of
a
10
and
vice
versa.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
city
council
was
was
clear
as
to
the
interplay
between
the
two
agenda
items.
A
Thank
you,
councilmember
reed
moves
to
amend
a
nine
to
add
the
words
that
shall
exist
as
long
as
the
tiff
exists
in
the
appropriate
section
regarding
the
appointment
of
the
advisory
board
council
member
burns
seconds,
is
there
any
discussion
seeing
none
with
the
clear?
Please
call
the
roll.
A
AB
A
AO
N
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
So
what
we're
talking
about
here
is
the
iga
which
was
negotiated
between
the
city
and
district
65,
and
this
is
I'm
happy.
We
have
arrived.
N
The
fact
that
I
have
some
serious
reservations
about
what's
included
and
and
the
appropriateness,
I
think.
Ideally,
we
wouldn't
need
this-
these
suspenders,
because
we
already
built
ourselves
the
belt
in
the
in
the
in
the
resolution,
but
we
did
agree
to
negotiate
a
good
faith
with
the
school
district
and
for
that
reason
I
will
be
voting
to
support
the
iga,
knowing
that
the
iga
is
a
fresher
document
and
came
through
this
negotiated
process.
N
Referring
back
to
the
previous
item,
I
do
think
we
should
go
back
and
revise
the
resolution,
so
it
matches
to
avoid
any
confusion
moving
forward.
But
I
I
thank
the
members
of
the
district
65
board,
many
of
whom
I
spoke
to
myself
for
participating
in
this
discussion
and
lending
their
support
to
the
tiff.
C
C
I
I
do
think
what's
great
about
this.
Is
you
know?
I
think
this
is
you
know
you
know
the
metaphor
of
the
penalty
suspenders
was
used.
I
I
think
this
is
suspenders
with
like
a
lock
on
them,
rather
than
just
a
belt
that
can
be
removed
at
any
time,
because,
what's
what
I
think
is
great
about
the
iga
is
that
it
gives
another
unit
of
government
the
ability
to
ensure
that
with
funds
that
would
be
going
traditionally
to
them
right,
seven,
you
know
or
30.
C
Some
odd
percent
would
be
going
to
65
70
between
the
two
school
districts.
It
gives
another
unit
of
government.
The
ability
to
hold
us
hold
any
future
council
accountable
to
living
up
to
the
expectations
of
this
tiff,
and
you
know
so.
The
resolution
could
just
be
changed
at
a
single.
You
know
with
without
two
readings,
with
the
single
reading
by
any
future
council.
C
This
iga
cannot
be
changed
in
the
same
regard,
and
so
I
think
this
iga
is
is
a
wonderful
thing
that
helps
ensure
that
the
tiff
is,
you
know,
lives
up
to
the
the
ideals
and
the
goals
that
we
set,
and
it
gives
a
again
like,
I
said,
another
unit
of
government
that
has
the
resources
right
to
to
hold
us
accountable
that
ability
to
create
safeguards.
You
know
creating
two
units
of
government
that
voters
can
hold
accountable
to
ensuring
that
this
tif
is
successful.
C
So
thank
you.
Everyone
involved
in
putting
this
ig
together
and
that's
why
I
was
supportive
last
meeting
of
holding
off
on
the
final
vote
until
this
iga
was
hammered
out,
because
I
think
it's
extremely
important.
So
thank
you.
I
L
W
A
AO
8
15
ordinance,
65
0-21,
approving
a
tax
increment
redevelopment
plan
and
project
for
the
five-fifths
project
area,
tip
number
nine,
a
16
ordinance,
66
021,
designating
the
five-fifths
redevelopment
project
area
pursuant
to
the
tax
increment
allocation
redevelopment
act,
a17,
ordinance,
67021,
adopting
tax
increment
allocation
financing
for
the
five-fifths
redevelopment
project
area.
AO
C
A
I
Let's
see,
can
you
can
you
talk
about
the
source
of
like
over
the
first,
the
first
five
years?
Can
you
give
us
an
idea
as
to
what
will
be
the
source
of
revenue.
AQ
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
members
of
the
city
council,
paul
zellmazak.
I
serve
as
evanston's
economic
development
manager.
I
also
have
our
consultants
available
for
additional
support.
I
believe
council
member
kelly
asked
what
would
the
source
of
funding
be
for
the
first
five
years.
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
you
know
it.
It
really
is
going
to
be
driven
by
the
frankly,
the
property
at
1815
ridge.
AQ
AQ
So
those
are
the
you
know:
there's
inflation,
there's
a
triennial
and
then
there's
that
that
first
assessment
of
the
1815
ridge
project.
I
AQ
AQ
I
I
guess
it's
important
to
know
what
your
projections
are
and
to
be
able
to
compare
that
to,
because,
as
I
wanted
to
refer
to
the
finance
and
budget
to
see,
if
we
could
actually
meet
you
know
fine,
it
would
be
about
4
million
a
year
if
we
were
to
look
at
your
estimated
90
million
over
23
years
or
89
to
be
able
to
compare
what
your
projections
are
to,
what
maybe
we
could
do
as
a
council
if
we
budget,
if
we
were
able
to
tighten
our
belt
and
budget
accordingly
for
the
fifth
ward,
so
I
hope
we
can
get
those
numbers.
AQ
Right
as
miss
miss
coppola's,
looking
that
up
the
the
first,
you
know
the
first
five
to
eight
years,
typically
are
slower
growth
and
then
over
time,
as
development
occurs
and
as
values,
whether
it's
through
triennial
or
property
value
increases.
That's
when
you
start
to
see
a
greater
increment
but
I'll.
Let
miss
coppola
respond
when
she's
writing.
Q
So
before
any
school
tuition,
payments
that
would
have
to
be
made
pursuant
to
the
act
in
the
year
2025,
assuming
that
this
is
this-
is
based
on
a
set
of
very
academic
assumptions
in
order
to
get
to
some
kind
of
projections.
Nobody
has
a
crystal
ball
so,
but
we're
we're
estimating
in
the
area
of
about
850
000
before
well,
cumulatively,
it
would
be
eight
nine
ten
about
a
million
and
a
half
by
2025
before
any
school
contributions.
Q
If
we
assume
that
we,
the
city,
would
have
to
pay
out
the
maximum
school
and
library
district
contributions
of
40
percent
of
proceeds,
after
that,
there
would
be
about
900
000
cumulative
in
the
year
2025.
I
And
how
much
if
it
were
without
the
property
on
ridge?
How
much
is
how
much
of
that
is
represents?
Does
that
property
on
ridge,
the
large
mass
of
building
on
ridge
represents
bear
with
me.
It's
already
been
developed.
I
Okay,
so
400
000,
that
by
2025,
is
coming
from
the
building
on
ridge
and
how
about
the
civic
center.
AQ
You
yeah,
let's,
let's
so
nina,
let's
just
estimate
that
that
has
potential
of
being
something
like
eight
eight
percent.
You
know
again
we
it's
hard
to
crystal
ball.
It
depends
on
what
you
do
at
the
civic
center
right,
if
you,
obviously,
if
we
leave
it,
as
is
nothing
changes,
it's
zero.
AQ
If
we
convert
the
building
to,
let's
say
60
units
of
some
kind
of
housing,
because
we
want
to
save
the
building
just
based
on
its
square
footage,
it
roughly
becomes
eight
percent
of
of
the
of
the
total
tiff
increments,
so
that.
I
Q
The
the
total
for
the
total
for
the
life
of
the
tif
projections
is
about
77
million
before
school
contributions.
Okay,
that's
over
the
entire
23-year
term
and
again,
that's
based
on
you
know
fairly
well
very
academic
assumptions
about
what
what
projects
might
be
undertaken
over
those
23
years.
I
AQ
You
know
I'll
I'll,
take
it
from
here.
Thank
you,
council,
member
kelly,
that
that's
there's
no
prediction
of
how
we'll
bond
for
using
the
tif
at
this
time
because
we
haven't
defined.
AQ
You
know
a
set
of
infrastructure
projects
that
would
drive
that
I
think
that's
kind
of
the
next.
You
know
as
we
implement
if
the
tip
is
approved
this
evening
and
we
implement
the
advisory
committee.
That
particular
group
will
go
through.
You
know
a
set
of
plans
and
figure
out
along
with
lara
biggs
and
how
the
cip
ties
into
this,
and
then
you
plant
it
that
way.
But
there
isn't
a
you
know
we're
not
planning.
H
L
A
I
Yeah,
no,
I
mean
that's
very
so
900
000.
I
think
that's
really
significant
that
that's
we're
talking
about
by
the
year
2020
20
25.,
I
think
by
then
we
could
certainly
budget
that
in
and
we
could
certainly
then
by
then
budget
in
a
larger
amount
to
to
create
a
fifth
ward
fund
in
our
budget
and
if
we're
genuinely
committed
to
the
fifth
ward
into
the
causes
that
we
say
we
are
then
that's
what
we
should
do,
not
a
tif,
not
what
the
the
bad
history
it
has.
I
The
the
controversy
around
it,
the
historically
negative
impact
on
communities
that
nobody
can
deny
so
so.
Thank
you
very
much.
That's
helpful.
C
I
also
place
my
questions.
Please.
A
M
A
AC
AB
A
C
A
A
F
W
AB
A
On
a
vote
of
five
voting
in
favor
and
four
voting
against
items,
a
15,
a
16
and
a
17
pass.
AO
C
W
A
On
a
vote
of
eight
voting
in
favor
and
one
voting
against
item
a11
passes,
and
that
brings
us
to
item
a19
council
member
burns.
Would
you
like
to
make
a
motion
there?
M
A
Councilman
burns
moves
a19,
council
member
fleming
seconds
council,
member
wynn.
R
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
would
like
to
make
an
amendment
to
this.
As
we
heard
in
some
of
the
public
comment,
the
500
through
800
blocks
of
sheridan
road
are
included
in
this,
and
director
rivera
is
here
to
to
confirm
this.
R
R
R
It's
not
on
the
leg
front,
like
every
other
section
of
the
that's
described
in
this
ordinance
and
because
of
the
density
in
the
500
block
of
sheridan
road,
many
people
actually
can't
park
on
their
own
block,
but
they
already
do
park
in
the
neighborhoods
nearby
and
as
a
number
of
the
folks
who
got
onto
this,
call
described
anyone
who
comes
to
visit
for
them
any
guests.
They
have
any
tradesperson,
they
have.
R
Anyone
who
works
in
the
home
either
as
a
caregiver
or
child
caregiver
will
then
be
having
to
pay
for
parking,
and
this
is
not
really
going
to
achieve
us
much
in
terms
of
revenue
along
our
lakefront
already
sheridan
square,
which
is
one
block
east
along
south
boulevard,
beach
and
garden
park
has
75
paid
parking
spaces
on
it
right
now,
so
we
do
have
turnover
there
and
we
have
more
than
100
places
to
park
actually
on
sheridan
square
right
now.
R
A
AR
Good
evening,
members
of
the
city
council,
mike
rivera
parking
manager,
city
benson,
the
areas
that
she
described
are
a
hundred
percent
residential,
okay,.
W
AR
Block
does
have
an
array
of
multi-family
apartment
buildings
and
six
through
eight
hundred
sheridan
road
are
predominantly
single
family
homes.
It's
it's
approximately
50,
it's
approximately
58
to
65
parking
spaces
in
that
area
and
the
nearest
beach
would
be
south
boulevard
beach
and
if
you
park
on
the
800
block,
we're
talking
almost
a
three
block
walk,
so
it
wouldn't
adversely
affect
the
revenues
that
much
right
and
since
it
is
in
a
primarily
residential
area,
I
think
we
would
still
be
fine
dominating
those
areas.
If
that's,
if
that's
what
she
wishes,.
A
A
It
has
been
moved
by
council
member
when
and
seconded
by
council
member
revell.
I
think
we're
going
to
hear
from
council
member
burns
in
a
moment
at
first.
I
think
mr
cummings
wanted
to.
T
AO
Yeah,
I
think
in
an
initial,
an
initial
discussion
about
this.
This
was
brought
up
and
I
had
concerns.
I
had
folks
reach
out
and
and
had
concerns
about
this
area
because
it's
you
know
their
homes
and
apartments
during
certain
stretches
of
we
may
have
even
talked
about
it.
I
think
we,
you
know,
did
a
little
google
map
thing
and
we're
trying
to
figure
out
exactly
who
would
be
impacted
and
what
the
consequences
could
be.
AO
I
I
am
going
to
support
the
amendment
and
would
love
to
see
how
we
could
you
know
address
the
concerns.
One
one
idea
could
be
residential
permit
parking
in
the
area.
Maybe
that's
a
good
idea.
Maybe
it's
a
bad
idea,
but
because
we.
AO
To
address
the
issue
right
now,
I'm
gonna
support
the
amendment.
Thank
you.
AR
It
was
included
because
we
felt
that
it
was
in
proximity
to
the
to
the
lake
front
and
the
beaches.
That's
why
we
included
it,
but
the
nearest
beach
like,
as
I
just
stated
it's
if
you're
parking
on
the
800
block,
the
nearest
beach,
would
be
south
boulevard
beach
and
it's
almost
a
three
block.
Walk
from
that
point.
AN
M
That
was
pretty
funny.
I
do
have
a
question,
mr
rivera,
so
around
the
city-
and
this
may
be
also
applies.
I'm
not
sure
how
you
use
it
for
the
cta
stops.
How
far
around
those
you
know
high
usage
spaces,
do
we
usually
either
make
it
residential
only
or
restricted
to
time
so
that
we
don't
have
people
parking
there
in
those
free
spaces
in
residential
areas
and
then
walking
either
to
the
beach
or
you
know
to
the
train
stops
if
we
usually
go
out
three
blocks,
or
do
we
usually
do
closer.
AR
No
well,
there's
there's
not
a
rule
that
we
currently
utilize,
so
it
generally,
it
depends
on
the
data
that
we're
seeing
out
there.
So
as
we
bring
on
blocks
for
paid
parking
or
as
new
attractions
arrive
in
an
area,
then
we
monitor
the
data
and
then
we
appropriately
manage
the
blocks
either
by
adding
two-hour
free
parking
residents
may
opt.
If
it's
residential
blocks,
the
residents
may
opt
for
residential
parking
districts
to
be
established,
and
then
we
can
work
with
the
residents
to
do
that
or
another
area.
M
AR
Well,
for
example,
just
west
of
clark
street
beach,
the
the
first
block
west,
which
is
like
the
forest
and
judson
and
hidman.
They
immediately
start
to
have
residential
parking
districts
already
established.
AR
R
AR
A
Thank
you
saying
no
for
the
discussion
with
the
clerk.
Please
call
the
roll
on
the
amendment
to
remove
those
blocks
of
sheridan
road
from
item
a19.
C
Their
original
thing-
I
just
want
to
thank
thank
you
mike
for
bringing
this
forward.
I
I
also
I,
while
I
didn't
vote
for
the
amendment,
I
I
do
believe
finding
a
solution.
I
was
earlier
thinking
about
something
that's
very
similar
to
what
councilmember
burns
mentioned,
which
was
creating
residential
parking
in
the
area
that
was
just
removed,
and
so
I'd
love
to
to
look
at
that
in
the
future
and
have
that
come
before
the
council,
then
just.
A
Thank
you
seeing
no
further
discussion
with
the
clerk.
Please
call
the
role
on
item
a19,
which
has
now
been
amended
by
removing
the
500
through
800
blocks
of
sheridan
road.
B
W
K
A
A
A
I
want
to
again
thank
councilmember
reed,
who
brought
some
questions
about
that
ordinance
forth,
and
thank
you
to
mr
cummings
for
digging
into
that
further
after
our
discussion
and
deducing
that
that
proposed
change
was
in
fact
not
consistent
with
state
law.
Because
of
that
I
declined
to
sign
it
that
me
declining
to
sign
it
triggers
the
being
on
the
agenda.
Anyone
here
can
make
a
motion
to
override
that
veto.
A
Thank
you
seeing
none.
We
move
forward
to
item
p2
and
customer
bracelet.
A
C
C
Yeah,
I
think
it's
extremely
important
that
we
support
this
iga
and
and
keep
this
in
place
to
put
strong
protections
in
place
for
for
the
voters
in
the
future.
I
would
hope
that
someone
who
voted
know
previously
would
vote
yes,
since
it
seems
like
the
vote's
gonna
change
now.
A
A
C
N
AO
AD
W
A
S
AB
W
AG
A
That
brings
us
to
item
p2.
I
believe
council
member
revell
is
the
new
chair
of
p
d.
Is
that
correct.
AM
Sure
I
move
introduction
of
ordinance,
116-0-21
amending
the
city
of
evanston's
leaf-blower
policy,
removing
it
from
the
noise
ordinance
in
title
ix
of
the
city
code
and
placing
it
under
title.
8,
health
and
sanitation.
AM
And
that
this
was
amended
in
the
committee
to
amend
one
of
the
three
listed
exceptions.
So
instead
of
golf
greens,
it
would
say
in
play
area
on
the
golf
course.
A
M
AM
The
the
the
the
original
document
said
one
of
the
three
exceptions
to
can
you
go
closer
to
your
mic?
I'm
sorry.
The
the
proposed
ordinance
included
three
exceptions
from
the
the
intended.
The
new
regulations,
and
one
of
one
of
them
was
for
golf
greens
and
we
amended
that
to
say
in
play
area
on
golf
courses,
because
the
area
that
needed
to
be
exempt
was
a
bigger
area
than
just
the.
AM
M
Because
I
didn't
mind
the
committee
at
one
point,
this
was
written
so
that
the
city
of
evanston
would
not
have
to
comply.
No.
AM
AM
Right,
yes,
for
the
most
part,
so
all
of
our
park
lands
would
be
subject
to
the
ordinance,
but
the
only
exception
would
be
our
baseball
fields
and
artificial
turf
fields
they
need.
They
need
special.
M
All
right,
so
I
based
on
my
comment
last
week
about
the
trees
you
can
fight
for.
Imagine
how
I
feel
about
leafs.
However,
what
I
will
say
being
married
to
a
golfer
is,
I
think,
it's
a
bit
absurd
that
we're
going
to
allow
golf
courses,
even
though
we
only
have
the
one
to
not
comply,
but
we're
going
to
make
citizens
and
for-profits
and
everyone
else
comply.
M
I
mean
golf
traditionally
is
a
very
affluent
sport,
and
so
it's
not
that
they
do
not
have
money
for
the
electric
mower
blowers
and
I
know
there's
been
all
kind
of
comments
that
I
haven't
been
involved
in
in
terms
of
electric,
and
I
know
I
think,
greenwise
or
whoever
came
and
said
they
need
the
gas
power
because
it
allows
them
to
go
faster
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
M
But
the
fact
that
you
know
we
would
make
an
exception
for
a
golf
course:
a
leisurely
sport
right
that
is
not
necessary
versus
people
who
are
again.
I
don't
really
have
a
dog
in
this
race
or
whatever
you
call
it,
but
you
know
the
the
lawn
companies
who
are
trying
to
make
a
living
who
have
told
us
that
either
for
cost
or
for
time's
sake
or
whatever
it's
a
little
bit
difficult
for
them
to
transition
to
electric
blowers.
I
think
has
sealed
my
vote
on
this.
AM
M
Okay,
again,
I'm
going
to
tell
you
that
I
I'm
married
to
a
golfer
someone
who
works
in
the
golf
industry.
I
am
not
a
golf
architect,
but
golf
is
a
leisure
sport
for
rich
people.
For
the
most
part,
I
am
stereotyping
here,
but
for
the
most
part,
and
so
the
fact
that
we
are
allowing
people
who
have
the
means
to
upgrade
equipment
and
such
to
be
exempt
for
this,
so
that
the
course
is
free
of
leaves,
I
think,
is
a
little
absurd
right.
Well,
that's
just.
AM
N
Council-
member
fleming,
I
I
tend
to
agree
with
you.
I
will
point
out,
however,
that
it's
my
understanding
that
canal
shores
is
already
using
electric
leaf
blowers,
wherever
they
can,
and
it's
just
for
the
vast
expanses,
where
it's
not
practically
possible.
N
Given
the
technology,
which
is
the
same
reason,
we
are
exempting
the
baseball
fields,
artificial
turf
fields
and,
and
the
other
exemption
there
and
someone
from
canal
shores
spoke
at
a
pw,
or
I
guess
p
d
rather,
and
you
know
assured
us
that
when
the
technology
is
is
available,
they
will
switch
to
electric
as
soon
as
they
can.
M
And
would
that
not
be
the
same
case
for
our
city
staff,
who
are
doing?
What's
the
like?
Not
the
canal
short
story,
the
place
along
the
canal
right,
we
pay
a
staff,
we
play
clean
slate,
which
is
allowing
people
employment
opportunities
to
do
that.
Parkland
right,
there's
other
vast
spaces
of
greens
in
the
city,
not
just
the
golf
course.
AM
I
think
the
city
as
I
I
shouldn't,
be
speaking
for
greenways
but
as
I
understand
it,
they
use
a
lawnmower
and
mulch
the
leaves
as
they're
going
over
the
grass.
But
that's
apparently
not
an
option
for
the
golf
course
because
it
needs
to
be
cleaner
for
golfers.
A
All
right,
councilman,
are
you,
council,
member
kelly.
I
So
could
this
be
amended?
I
just
want
to
to
say
that
one
would
have
to
apply
for
a
special
use
if
to
the
environmental
board,
or
something
like
that
like
so
so.
This
would
apply
to
everybody
across
the
board,
including
golfers,
and
if
there
was
an
exception
to
be
made
just
like
anything
else,
we
have
with
regard
to
our
ordinances,
there
would
have
to
be
an
application
before
say
the
environmental
board.
I
I
Things
might
come
up,
not
only
the
golfers
and
that
might
get
voted
down
by
the
environmental
board
and
not
referred.
You
know
not
recommended,
but
I'm
just
thinking,
there's
the
golf
courses.
There
might
be
something
else
that
might
come
up.
That's
not
included
as
the
exceptions
that
we
could
have
a
clause.
Rather
than
listing
those
who
are
exempt
of
this.
I
AM
Exemption
process,
I
I
think
we
you
know
we
may
we
may
very
well
hear
from
another
entity
that
says:
oh,
you
know,
woe
is
us
and
we
need
to
be
exempt
as
well,
but
I'd
I'd
rather
rem.
I'd
rather
amend
the
leaf
blower
policy.
If
there
are
in
indeed
additional
entities,
I
mean
northwestern,
is
going
all
electric,
so
I
mean
I
think
most
of
our
properties
are
going
to
be
able
to
comply
and
they
and
they
have
a
2023
to
get
ready
for
it.
AM
C
Thank
you.
I
want
to
echo
concerns
from
the
last
two
council
members
that
spoke
particular
council.
Member
fleming,
I
I
believe
I
voted
no
in
committee
for
this
amendment
and
you
know
I.
I
do
not
think
that
we
should
be
exempting
the
golf
course.
I
think
we
should.
You
know
include
the
golf
course
I'm
glad
and
I
commend
and
everyone
who
worked
on
this,
particularly
the
council
member
who
led
owner
councilmember
rival
for
getting
the
city
in
there,
because
that
was
not
in
the
original
version.
C
So
I'm
highly
appreciative
of
that,
but
I
do
think
again
for
similar
reasons
raised
by
councilmember
fleming,
that
the
golf
course
should
be
included
in
this
ordinance
and
not
exempted.
AO
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
this
so
we're
the
difference
seems
to
be
again
larger
expansive
areas
where
there's
no
structure
with
electric
electricity
that
you
can
plug
into,
which
is
a
very
narrow,
only
impacts
a
few
people,
few
organizations-
I
would
imagine
in
evanston-
so
I
just
want
to
say
out
loud,
like
my
read
of
it
again,
we're
talking
about
long
fairways,
where
there
is
no
structure
at
all
in
the
area
that
they
can
plug
into,
and
my
understanding
is
that,
there's
that
the
the
battery
a
battery
pack
strong
enough
or
more
powerful
enough
to
disperse
the
leads
and
branches
has
not
been
created.
AO
H
AO
A
good
point,
a
golf
course
with
a
lot
of
public
benefits.
I
know
that's
how
it's
been
described
to
me:
I've
never
golfed
it.
I've
got
to
other
areas,
but
let's,
let's
take
it
easy
here
on
the
this,
is
for
rich
folks,
there's
a
lot
of
folks
in
evanston
that
are
able
to
access
this
golf
court
and
not
other
more
exclusive
and
more
expensive
golf
clubs,
so
just
want
to
be
real
there.
Thank
you.
This.
A
You
are
correct,
council
member,
when
followed
by
sufferden.
R
I
I
just
wanted.
As
a
member
of
this
working
group,
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
a
couple
things
we
did
at
par.
This
working
group
includes
members
of
the
environment
board
on
this
who
were
part
of
the
entire
discussion
on
this
and
councilmember
burns.
R
I
agree
with
you
I
I
am
not
a
golfer
have
never
golfed
what
we
heard
from
canal
shores
is.
This
is
not
the
whole
golf
course.
This
is
just
what
they
call
the
playing
area.
They
are
an
audubon
certified
golf
course.
So
the
areas
where
I
guess
they're
not
supposed
to
hit
the
ball.
They
just
use
regular
mowers.
R
They
are
committed
to
converting
entirely
to
electric.
They
already
did
it
without
any
ordinance
from
the
city,
and
there
are
only
three
real
esta.
There
are
only
three
exceptions
in
here
that
portion
of
the
playing
area
of
a
golf
courses,
city,
baseball
fields
and
artificial
turf,
and
we
really
don't
have
a
lot
of
that
and
then
what
is
the
those
are.
The
three
correct.
AM
R
Oh
and
construction
projects
involving
paving
repair
and
patching
of
public
streets,
which
we
do
want
to
be
clear
of
of
things
like
that,
so
really
in
terms
of
lawn
equipment,
we're
only
making
two
exceptions:
one
for
canal
shores,
the
playing
area
and
two
for
turf
and
baseball
fields.
The
city
is
requiring
itself
to
be
included
in
this
so
and
we
have
a
commitment
from
canal
shores.
R
So
we
don't
really
have
nearly
the
exemptions,
for
instance,
of
wilmette,
and
we
recognize
that
we
are
going
to
continue
to
work
on
this,
because
we
need
to
educate
people
so
that
we
don't
even
have
to
write
tickets.
That
everybody
comes
into
compliance
on
this,
and
I
do
recognize
that
we've.
Given
time
I
mean
this-
is
both.
R
This
this
is,
as
we've
all
heard,
this
is
a
worker
safety
issue.
I
think,
among
all
of
the
issues,
I
think
the
worker
safety
issue
is
is
really
key,
and
we
shouldn't
forget
that
anyone
who
uses
this
type
of
motor
on
their
back
for
any
period
of
time
is
is
deafening
themselves
and
they're
all
breathing
all
of
the
fumes,
so
the
extent
that
we
can
eliminate
that
type
of
work
in
evanston
I
want
to
so
this
is
a.
I
think
this
is
a
good
working
start
on
this,
and
clearly
we
have
more
to
do.
AN
Yeah
just
a
question:
I
appreciate
the
points
that
were
made
by
my
colleagues.
I'd
just
like
to
remind
everybody.
We
have
a
strong
financial
municipal
interest
in
the
viability
of
canal
shores.
If
that
golf
course
doesn't
survive,
we
are
responsible
for
the
maintenance
of
that
land.
So
I
think
this
is
a
reasonable
accommodation
that
will
extend
to
the
season
there
and
it's
something
that
we
should
support.
W
A
I'm
really
banning
a
thousand
tonight.
No
one
else
who
hasn't
yet
spoken
is
requesting
to
speak,
so
we'll
turn
now
to
those
requested
to
speak
a
second
time,
beginning
with
council
member
fleming,
who
has
two
minutes
and
15
seconds
left.
I.
M
I
will
support
this
because
my
residents
care
about
it.
This
is
especially
doing
your
elected
official.
I
still
stick
by
my
comments
as
about
the
golfers,
because
I'm
married
to
one
but
also
my
other
comment
and
concern,
and
maybe
I'll
just
ask
eleanor
if
you
can
reach
out
to
clean
slate
whose
contract
we
just
renewed
like
a
few
days
ago-
and
I
don't
know
what
the
communication
plan
is,
but
for
anybody
who
pays
attention
they
do
the
cutting,
if
I'm
remembering
correctly
along
the
canal.
M
So
that's
a
lot
of,
and
I
know
they
don't
have
to
below
that,
but
I
don't
know
what
they
use,
because
I'm
not
out
there,
but
their
whole
mission
is
to
employ
formerly
incarcerated,
which
we
don't
do
very
well
as
a
city.
So
it's
one
place
in
which
we
do
put
our
money
into
that
population,
and
so
I
would
just
hope
that
we
make
sure
they
know
these
new
rules.
That
is
an
expansive
area.
M
So
maybe
they
will
say
they
need
a
wave
or
two
I'm
not
saying
that
they
do,
but
I
would
hope
that
we
reach
out
to
them
and
we
don't
lose
their
contract
because
we
put
them
in
a
place
where
they
cannot.
You
know
continue
their
service
based
on
an
ordinance
we
put
in.
I
A
couple
questions
on
the
penalties:
it
says
any
person
who
uses
a
leaf
blower
or
permits
the
private
or
commercial
use
of
a
leaf
blower
on
their
property.
So
because
it
looks
like
in
that,
both
the
land,
the
land
care
provider
could
be
ticketed
as
well
as
the
owner,
so
both
would
get
fine.
AM
So
that
language
is
in
is
in
our
current
policy.
The
reason
it's
underlined
is
because
we're
moving
the
whole
thing
from
one
section
of
the
code
to
another
section
of
the
code,
so
we've
already
long
been
able
to
either
ticket
the
homeowner
or
the
landscape
contractor,
and
so
what?
What
we're
going
to
be
doing
in
the
in
the
coming
months
is
working
on
our
of
our
our
approach
to
enforcement,
because
we
need
to
be
have
a
fair
and
effective
enforcement
method
and
clarify
we
need.
AM
We
need
to
do
a
lot
of
community
education,
for
example
to
homeowners
to
say
you
know,
talk
to
your
landscape,
contractor,
encourage
them
to
or
ask
them
to
take
care
of
your
property
with
electric
equipment,
because
I
don't
I,
the
homeowner,
don't
want
to
get
a
ticket.
So
what
we
need.
We
need
to
do
some
education
before
we
start
writing
a
bunch
of
tickets,
either
way.
I
Great
and
then
so
just
the
same
way
that
this
is
the
penalties
are
are
listed
here.
Would
we
also
then
have
so,
for
example,
I
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
about
how
this
would
be
best
if
moved
to
the
traffic
traffic
department
for
ticketing.
Would
there
be?
Would
this
be
included
in
the
code
which
department
is
ticketing.
AM
I
W
C
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
we're
able
to
have
a
lot.
I
certainly
think
this
discussion
is
important.
We
had
a
robust
debate
on
golf
courses
and
leaf
blowers,
not
not
so
much
on
a
test
last
night,
but
my
question
is
so
we're
looking
for
to
have
c
implementation
of
using
these
electric
well
first
before
I
get
to
that
propane
blowers
are
not
prohibited
by
this
ordnance.
Correct.
AM
You
know
they
are
they're.
We've
clarified
that
gas
powered
leaf
blowers
includes
propane
powered.
C
Okay,
okay,
thank
you
and
then
the
city
will
have
to
meet
this
mandate
by
2023.
So
I
suppose
to
get
clear
clarification
in
in
the
2022
budget.
There's
money
to
purchase
this
new
equipment.
AM
But
we've
been
talking
with
greenway
staff
about
making
sure
they
make
the
budget
requests
for
the
equipment
that
they're
going
to
be
needing.
C
Okay,
well
yeah,
I'm
sorry!
I
didn't
mean
to
have
make
you
answer
that
question
a
council
member
involved,
I'm
really,
if
maybe,
if
really
staff
or
manager
gandursky,
can
answer
that
and
maybe
give
an
update
on
where
they
are
and
getting
a
cost
estimate
for
these.
This
equipment
in
2022.
Yes,.
J
Good
evening,
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
it's
not
been
accounted
for
in
the
2022
budget.
It
says,
though
it'll
start
april,
1st
2023.
I
would
imagine
we
could
either
look
at
that
now.
If
staff
can
get
a
quote
on
what
that
will
cost
to
purchase
equipment,
if
we
can
get
that
done
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks
before
we
pass
this
budget
or
we'll
have
to
prepare
for
it
in
the
2023
budget,.
C
Yeah
I
mean
the
best
is
I
suppose
this
is
gonna
be
fairly
expensive,
so
if
we
can
figure
out
a
way
to
split
the
cost
over,
you
know
I
don't
know
if
I
wouldn't
necessarily
want
to
bond
out
for
this
kind
of
equipment.
C
I
don't
know
exactly
what
the
lifespan
on
lawn
mowers
is,
but
I
imagine
it's
not
something
we
want
to
bond
out
for
so
I
just
if
we,
if
we're
going
to
pay
for
it
up
front,
I'd,
just
love
to
see
how
we
can
either
you
know,
start
paying
for
it
in
2022
and
split
the
cost
over
a
few
years
yeah
and
make
sure
it's
accounted
for.
So
we
actually
meet
the
mandate
and
we
don't
get
to
2023
and
we're
scrambling
to
say
no,
we
don't
have
the
money
for
it
now.
C
Let's
just
change
the
ordinance
and
exempt
the
city,
because
I
I
fear
that
that
could
be
what
comes
down
the
pike
is
that
there'll
be
a
an
emergency
where
we
can't
afford
it
and
then
we'll
exempt
ourselves
down
the
road
which
I
hope
does
not
happen.
A
The
next
speaker,
with
four
minutes
and
20
seconds,
is
council
member
newsman.
A
In
that
case,
would
the
clerk
please
call
the
role
on
item
p2,
which
comes
before
us
with
an
amendment
that
passed
in
planning
and
development.
B
A
With
nine
voting
in
favor
and
non-voting
against
item
p2
passes,
that
brings
us
to
item
ed1,
which
I
pulled
off
the
agenda,
because
my
understanding
is
it
has.
It
requires
an
amendment,
and
so
I
would
say
if
anybody
is
prepared
to
make
the
amendment
go
ahead
and
make
the
motion
and
then
make
the
amendment.
If
not,
I
was
told
that
it's
not
the
end
of
the
world
if
we
delay
it
for
the
meeting
two
weeks
from
now.
AQ
Pam,
thank
you,
mr
mayor
councilmember
braithwaite
the
award
manufacturing.
I
learned
today
from
their
attorneys
that
they're
actually
submitting
and
they
had
received
two
six
b's
10
or
12
years
ago.
AQ
The
resolution-
that's
before
you
references
only
one
of
the
6b,
so
the
language
would
need
to
change
in
that
resolution,
just
to
eliminate
verbiage,
referencing
new
construction
and
then
we
would
add
a
pin
number
to
the
resolution,
so
it
incorporates
all
all
the
parcels
that
are
part
of
the
6b.
It's
a
technicality,
it's
an
easy
fix.
AQ
That
is
that's
the
end
of
my
report.
Okay,.
S
N
AQ
S
T
Yeah,
I
I
have
a
redline
version
that
I
afforded
to
the
mayor
that
I
can
forward
to
the
entirety
of
the
council.
It
was
just
too
late
to
put
it
in,
like
the
packet
got,
it.
S
A
No
we'll
I
mean
well,
that's
we
can
do
that
right
now,
so
nick,
if
you
could
forward
that
to
the
council,
if
someone
could
make
a
motion
and
is
customer,
when
are
you
still
the
chair
of
economic
development?
W
R
S
A
Council
number
when
moves
item
81
council
member
braithwaite
seconds
now
I
believe
we've
received
a
text
of
a
resolute
of
an
amendment.
Would
anyone
like
to
make
a
motion
regarding
that
amendment.
S
H
T
So,
for
the
sake
of
time,
the
first
thing
116
r21,
will
need
to
be
amended
to
strike
the
the
words
in
the
title
of
the
resolution.
New
construction
at
I'd
like
to
move,
as
stated.
T
S
So,
mr
mayor
members,
city
council,
I'd
like
to
move
the
following,
as
stated
by
our
corporation
council.
Second.
A
W
W
A
A
A
N
Us
to
can
someone
else
make
a
motion
sure
then.
I
would
like
to
move
r2
ordinance,
97-0-21
amending
section
1-8-1
of
the
city
code
concerning
removal
of
the
city
manager.
A
So
the
item
just
one
second
council
member-
there's
a
question
off
mike.
Why
is
this
on
the
agenda?
This
is
on
the
agenda
because
our
rules
dictated
if
an
item
is
voted
on
50
50
in
committee.
It
comes
to
the
full
council
with
no
recommendation
and
then
there
can
be
a
motion
or
not.
Council.
Member
reed
chose
not
to
make
a
motion,
but
the
motion
is
in
order,
as
made
by
council
member.
I
think
newsman.
A
A
W
N
I
will
withdraw
my
my
motion.
A
R
A
A
C
Oh
great,
I
want
to
announce
again
our
eighth
ward
meeting
on
october
28th,
that
is
this
thursday
at
six
p.m.
It'll
be
virtual
and
the
link
is
provided
on
the
city's
website
looking
forward
to
talking
to
residents
about
a
multitude
of
issues.
C
I
don't
know
if
this
needs
to
go
to
the
referrals
committee,
because
it
is
not
a
matter
of
policy
change,
but
I'm
interested
in
having
a
number
of
residents
at
ward
meetings
and
through
personal
communication
have
raised
issues
regarding
speeding
along
custer
avenue
and
concerns
about
children.
Safety
of
children
in
the
neighborhood,
particularly
one
mother,
has
reached
out
a
number
of
times
as
well
as
other
residents.
C
You
know
my
ward
ends
at
oakton,
but
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
go
all
the
way
down
to
maine,
where
custer
gets
cut
off
to
to
decrease
the
width
of
the
lanes
and
provide
for
additional
parking.
C
So
I
guess
I'm
seeking
whether
that
needs
to
be
a
referral
or
if
that
can
still
just
be
a
you
know,
a
referral
made
here
call
of
awards
a
request
made
here
called
awards
for
staff
and.
M
So
I
do
not
support
restriping
custard,
you
know
having
policy
discussions,
but
I
don't
have
an
announcement
except
for
to
the
excuse.
Me,
ninth
ward
residents,
look
for
an
email.
We
were
going
to
have
another
discussion.
We
did
not
have
a
chance
to
discuss
the
budget
at
our
last
war
meeting.
So
just
look
out
for
an
email
coming
out
this
week
about
a
meeting
to
discuss
the
budget.
A
S
Thank
you,
smirk,
looking
forward
to
hosting
our
second
budget
meeting
the
second
thursday
still
working
to
find
a
a
place,
so
we
can
meet
in
person
and
then
I
just
wanted
to
go
back
to
item
a2
and
I
don't
think
we
have
staff
here
this
late
at
night.
I'm
just
going
to
remove
this,
so
I
can
be
heard.
I
I
think
we
had
a
really
robust
conversation
regarding
parking,
particularly
paying
attention
to
the
third
ward.
S
So
my
recommendation
to
our
our
staff
as
well
as
you
know,
council
member
burns,
is,
is
we're
looking
at
that
skate
park
and
I
don't
know
where
the
majority
of
the
users
are
going
to
come
from,
but
I
have
been
in
that
area
often
and
I
think,
is
we're
being
considerate
to
other
areas
of
town.
You
want
to
also
make
sure
that
we
are
being
considered
to
the
to
the
residents
that
are
in
that
area.
So
I
know
that
there's
a
parking
lot
that
I've
used
there.
That's
that's
city
parking!
S
I
have
no
way
of
anticipating
how
many
people
this
will
draw
from
around
town,
but
there's
a
lot
of
park.
There
there's
already
parking.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
neighbors
in
that
area
are
not
impacted
in
any
negative
way
and
I'm
sure
you'll
have
enough
support
on
council
to
incorporate
that
into
this
study.
Thank
you.
R
R
Second,
I
want
to
announce
that
this
thursday
october
28th,
we
are
having
the
third
ward
town
hall
meeting
it
will
be
in
person
and
because
lincoln
school
is
still
not
having
in-person
meetings,
we're
meeting
outside
the
ward,
we're
meeting
in
the
library
and
the
large
conference
room,
starting
at
six,
that's
a
little
earlier
than
usual,
but
starting
at
six
third
ward
meeting
october
28th
in
person.
I
look
forward
to
seeing
you
there.
Thank
you.
N
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
just
a
quick
reminder
to
the
residents
of
the
fourth
ward
and
anyone
else
who
would
like
to
join
us.
Fourth,
ward
meeting
tuesday
november
2nd
7
p.m,
room
d
at
robert
crown,
and
we
will
be
talking
about
the
budget
joined
by
kate,
lewis
larkin,
who
will
run
us
through
the
presentation.
Thank
you.
AO
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
first
thank
you
know
my
colleagues
on
the
council,
city
staff,
city
office
and
staff,
district
65
board
and
leadership
in
the
community
at
large,
some
for
supporting
the
chief
others
for
adding
to
what
was
a
robust
conversation
about
tiff
and-
and
I
think,
the
the
final
ordinances
that
we
passed
today
reflected
that
that
robust
community
engaging
in
around
this
issue.
So
thank
you
to
everyone
involved.
AO
We
have
a
fifth
ward
meeting
this
thursday,
the
28th
7
pm
at
gibbs,
morrison
and
then
councilmember
braithwaite,
is
what
you
said
was
a
good
segue
to
we.
We
also
have
a
a
parking
meeting
november
17th
at
double
clutch,
which
is
the
new
brewery
that
opens
up
october
29th
and
we're
going
to
be
discussing
that
very
issue
so
parking
around
the
simpson
and
ashland
dewey
and
payne
area.
AO
One
idea
that
director
rivera
our
parking
services
director
have
for
that
parking
lot
that
you
refer
to
council
member
is
during
the
day
to
add
either
meter
parking
or
something
that
allows
a
nice
flow
of
vehicles
moving
in
and
out
of
it,
and
then
maybe
renegotiating
the
agreement
with
mwrd
to
allow
for
overnight
parking
for
residents
in
the
area.
AO
AO
AM
I
just
like
to
say
that
on
november
november,
11th
thursday
at
7
p.m.
Council
member
sufferden
and
I
will
be
having
a
joint,
sixth
and
seventh
ward
budget
meeting
and
encourage
all
of
our
6th
and
7th
ward
residents
to
join
us.
For
that
conversation.
A
Thank
you-
and
I
will
confess
I
probably
should
have
said
this
during
the
mayor's
announcements,
but
I
didn't,
as
everyone
knows,
we're
embarking
on
a
process
of
doing
a
search,
a
nationwide
search
for
city
manager.
A
So
as
many
people
as
possible
in
the
community
have
the
opportunity
to
weigh
in
as
we
get
to
work
on
this
important
important
project
with
that
said,
seeing
no
further
business
to
come
before
us.
The
october.
Let's
see
25th
meeting
of
the
evans
city
council
stands
adjourned.