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Sky Minert, the contributor of DXdao-the first super scalable collective, will picture the future of DAO and explain how will it impact the coordination model in Web3.
A
A
A
As
the
podcast
you
get
about
to
listen,
I'm
pretty
sure
people
are
facing
all
sort
of
time
coordination
issue
when
they're
trying
to
build
up
a
project
during
web3.
We
would
like
to
hear
more
about
your
story
as
well
feel
free
to
reach
us
out
and
comment
on
our
twitter
or
discord
about
your
story.
We
start
this
conversation
at
a
really
crucial
time
when
the
public
need
to
know
the
potential
of
now
and
how
it
will
empower
the
future
economic
coordination
model
in
upcoming
web
3.
A
B
Hi
ashin
it's
sky
here,
it's
great
to
be
here
on
your
podcast
in
a
decentralized
manner.
I
contribute
to
a
bunch
of
dows
in
the
ethereum
ecosystem
and
I'm
happy
to
be
here
representing
dx
dao.
To
give
some
background,
dx
dow
is
a
pretty
decentralization
forward.
Dow
that's
been
around
for
over
a
couple
years:
building
products,
mainly
in
the
d5
space
and
also
in
the
governance
space.
B
A
Dolls
in
the
space
starting
from
last
year,
probably
could
brief
us
from
the
basic
concept
and
ideas.
First,.
B
That's
a
great
question:
the
term
dao
is
being
used
quite
a
bit
and
there's
lots
of
kind
of
interpretations
of
what
a
dao
can
be
or
is,
and
so
I'd
say
that
that
dows
come
on
a
wide
spectrum
from
a
very,
very
small
dow,
which
could
be
a
few
different
people
making
decisions
amongst
themselves,
with
maybe
a
multi-sig
to
a
giant
community,
that's
governed
by
a
token
or
by
reputational
governance
and
giving
given
giving
everyone.
B
That's
part
of
that
community,
an
actual
say
in
the
governance
of
the
decision
making
and
that
typically
takes
place
on
well,
it
doesn't
always
take
chase,
take
place
on
blockchain,
but
if
it's
taking
place
on
blockchain,
it
is
kind
of
immutable
and
very
transparent.
B
There
are
other
groups
and
communities
that
you
know
are
using
the
term
dao
and
they
may
use
other.
You
know
off-chain
tools
to
coordinate
and
make
decisions
and
then
count
on
a
smaller
group
to
execute
those
decisions.
B
But
yes,
like
dows,
are
a
hot
topic,
and
sometimes
you
know
projects
are
just
throwing
in
the
term
dow
when
they
may
not
actually
be
much
of
a
dow.
But
that's
yeah
comes
along
the
spectrum.
A
B
As
you
mentioned,
dowse
and
recently
dows
raising
large
amounts
of
money
for
certain
initiatives,
whether
it's
buying
nfts
or
buying
the
cons,
a
copy
of
the
constitution,
or
things
like
that.
Yet
those
have
gotten
quite
a
bit
of
attention.
Those
are,
you
know,
very
quickly,
form
communities
that
you
know,
people
kind
of
you
know
throw
or
commit
capital
into.
It's
not
clear
whether
or
not
you
as
a
contributor
have
an
actual
say.
B
If
you're,
you
know
putting
your
money
in
thinking
almost
as
if
it's
a
donation
and
there's
a
small
team
of
people
that
are
trying
to
execute
the
the
mission
of
that
community,
and
so
you
know,
as
I
said
before,
dao's
come
on
on
a
spectrum
of
thousands,
some
dows
all
contributors
actually
have
like
a
stake
and
a
say
in
decision
making
and
in
other
scenarios
you
may
count
on
a
smaller
set
of
people
in
dxdow's
case.
It's
you
know
it's
its
governance
is
all
on
chain
has
been
unchanged
since
the
start.
B
There
is
a
very
wide
distribution
of
of
governance
holders.
B
Dx
dow
uses
a
reputational
base
governance
system
and
the
only
way
that
you
can
earn
governance
power
in
dxdaw
is
to
contribute
value
to
dxdao,
and
so
by
contributing
value
you
can
earn
rep,
which
is
reputation,
which
is
a
unit
of
governance
that
is
actually
controlled
and
maintained
by
the
dao.
B
It
can
be
issued
and
slashed
only
by
the
dao
via
proposal,
and
so
it's
quite
a
bit
different
of
a
take
than
most
of
the
kind
of
liquid
token
governance,
dows
that
are
out
there,
no
matter
what
amount
of
capital
you
have,
you
cannot
buy
your
buy
a
voice
or
buy
or
say
in
in
the
votes
that
are
happening
in
india,
extil
and
as
for
what
types
of
contributors
we're
looking
for.
Basically
we
have.
You
know
we
have
a
dx
down
manifesto.
B
We
have
core
beliefs
and
principles
that
the
dao
was
founded
on
really
decentralization.
You
know
on-chain
governance,
reputational
governance.
B
You
know
the
belief
that
we
should
push
this
space
towards
what
we
all
want
to
see
and
not
necessarily
sacrifice
on
some
of
the
you
know:
important
values
in
the
space
just
to
get
things
done
faster
and
so
as
a
contributor,
if
you're
interested
in
the
products
or
the
mission
of
dx
dao,
feel
free
to
reach
out
in
discord
in
the
key
base
or
attend
some
of
the
weekly
calls.
A
B
A
A
There
are
governors,
enabled
ema,
swapper
and
omen
for
market
prediction,
dx
garf,
which
is
a
governance
tool
and
also
mesa
for
batch
auction
decks.
I
wish
to
know
why
did
the
xl
come
to
play
in
the
form
of
dao
to
empower
d5
at
the
first
place
and
what
did
the
excel
achieve
so
far
with
the
implementation
of
all
those
governance
tools.
B
Yeah,
this
is
a
great
question,
so
the
cool
thing
about
dxdow
was
that
it
was
a
dow
before
it
was
a
project
or
a
team
or
a
platform
building
a
specific,
a
specific
thing,
and
so
once
the
dao
existed,
it
took
some
time
to
figure
out
what
it
wanted
to
do
through
governance
and
as
it
started,
building
and
owning
products
in
the
d5
space,
it
became
very
apparent
that
it
was
important
to
basically
you
know,
we
say,
put
the
decentralization
in
d5.
B
The
only
way
that
dxdow's
products
can
be
upgraded
or
controlled
is
by
like
full
dial
proposal.
The
products
are
hosted
on
ipfs
and
pointed
to
by
ens
ens
names
that
are
owned
by
the
actual
dow.
So
all
upgrades
all
changes
have
to
go
through
on
chain
proposal,
which
is
true
decentralized,
ownership
of
a
by
a
community
of
the
actual
products
that
the
the
dao
is
building.
A
So
let's
talk
about
the
governors,
as
it
is
one
of
the
down
important
elements
for
dx
style
reputation,
rep
as
the
voting
power
and
dxd
is
the
financial
token,
with
a
claim
on
profit
from
all
its
products.
A
The
governance
token
is
also
a
proof
of
loyalty
and
proof
of
contribution
here
and
could
serve
many
other
functions
in
the
future
as
the
development
of
the
ex-star.
So
what
did
the
ark
start
do
differently?
To
maintain
such
a
great
on-chain
governor's
record
to
keep
all
its
participants
active?
How
did
they
rule
out
of
governance?
2.0
go
so
far.
B
Here
you
raise
another
very
yeah
again,
a
very
important
part
or
piece
of
what
dick,
what
makes
up
dx
dao,
and
that
is
reputational
based
governance
and
reputational
based
governance-
is
kind
of
a
different
take
than
what
liquid
token
governance
is.
The
only
way
you
can
earn
governance
power
in
dx
style
currently
is
via
contribution
to
dx
dow,
and
you
can
earn
reputation.
B
Reputation.
Rep
token
is
a
non-transferable
governance
token
that
gives
you
voice
in
the
dow
and
it
can
be
issued
and
slashed
only
by
the
dow
fire
proposal.
B
There
so
at
the
same
time,
there
is
a
dxd
token,
which
is
kind
of
the
financial
token
of
dx
dao,
and
you
know,
buyers
and
owners
of
that
token
contributed
capital
to
dx
dow.
There
is
a
plan
in
place
to
what
to
eventually
get
to
what
we
call
governance,
2.0
and
governance.
2.0
is
a
future
governance
plan
where
the
system
is
governed
by
reputational
based
governance,
plus
liquid
token
governance,
combined
and
so
by
requiring
both
parts
of
of
this
kind
of
equation.
B
We
think
that
that
is
one
of
the
most
important
ways
to
govern
an
actual
community,
and
so
there
are
plans
for
that.
We
are
moving
ahead.
We
are
starting
with
dx
vote,
which
is
the
first
steps
towards
that,
but
eventually,
governance
2.0,
once
it's
achieved,
will
be
this
kind
of
what
we
think
is
the
the
the
optimal
solution
for
distributed
decentralized,
governance.
B
This
again
is
a
very
great
question.
As
you
know,
there
are
most
projects
in
the
space
start
as
a
very
small
team.
Some
do
raise
money
from
the
community
some
rate
a
lot,
many
raise
money
from
vcs
and
institutions.
B
Some
projects
are,
you
know,
self-funded
and
bootstrapped,
but
many
of
these
projects
in
the
d5
space
are
often
you
know
initially
a
small
team.
Now
they
can
issue
a
token
and
that
the
distribution
of
that
token
can
go
out.
In
some
cases.
That's
you
know
largely
controlled
by
some
of
the
original
team
and
investors.
B
B
Most
projects
have
a
goal,
and
they
what
they
say
is
they
are
moving
towards
progressive,
decentralization
and
so
progressive,
decentralization,
progressive
decentralization
is
great
if
you
can
actually
achieve
it,
and
there
are
very,
very
few
projects
that
have
moved
from
a
small
team
to
a
fully
distributed
and
decentralized
community
that
is
owning
and
controlling
the
actual
product
and
protocol.
There
are
some
examples
and
there
are
some
that
have
done
it
from
the
start.
A
So
for
the
very
early
dao,
such
as
moloko
dao,
which
have
their
own
philosophy
about
a
human
coordination
inspired
by
scott
alexander's,
meditation
moloch,
alford
dxo,
what
is
the
fundamental
value
and
a
philosophy?
B
Yeah,
it's
great.
You
brought
up
malek
dao,
so
there's
the
original
malek
dao
created
by
amin
and
then
there's
the
molok
dao
framework
and
there's
a
few
different
versions
of
it,
which
have
spread
across
the
space
and
dao
house
is
a
a
front-end
platform
that
makes
it
very
easy
for
communities
in
taos
to
use
malik
daos
and
the
interesting
about
interesting
thing
about
malik.
Dao
is
for
me-
and
I
am
also
a
I've-
been
a
member
of
the
metacartel
ecosystem
for
a
while.
B
Now
metacartel
communities
and
products
that
have
come
off
of
metacartel
often
use
molok
daos,
but
molok
dao,
also
use
kind
of
share,
based
governance
and
so
share
based
governance
is
similar
to
what
I
was
describing
with
reputational
based
governance,
where
shares
are
issued
to
voting
members
only
by
dao
proposal
and
can
be
taken
away
by
dao
proposal.
B
But
you
cannot
actually
just
buy
your
way
into
or
buy
voting
say
in
malik
towers.
They,
it
has
to
be
approved
by
the
the
dao
and
the
dao
is
made
up
of
the
existing
members
of
the
dao
and
so
molok.
Daos
are
another
example
of
I
think,
like
dows,
that
are
kind
of
a
different
take
than
liquid
token
governance.
A
A
B
Eventually,
you
could
have
a
token
if
you
want,
if
you
give
your
audience
and
your
participants
and
the
people
you
interview
and
the
people
that
create
your
podcast
all
if
you
align
them
all
with
the
same
token
and
ownership
where
everyone
becomes
a
part
and
a
part
owner
of
this
ecosystem,
I
think
it
sets
it
up
really
well
to
succeed,
and
so
your
idea
of
you
know
asking
members
of
your
community
for
questions
and
that
what
you
want
to
be
asked
or
giving
them
special
access
to
things.
B
That's
that
becomes
kind
of,
like
you
know,
almost
like
a
social,
social
type,
dow
or
or
you
know,
a
media
type
dow
and
that's
a
very
interesting
concept
that
is
being
explored
and
there
are
other
projects
and
teams
and
communities
that
are
doing
that.
B
Yes,
it's
it's
a
really
interesting
idea.
I
think
it
definitely
becomes
more
inclusive
rather
than
exclusive,
because
everyone
has
ownership
and
feels
like
they
are
a
part
of
it
or
is
a
part
of
it
and
can
actually
have
say.
And
so,
if
you
are
interested
in
taking
that
step,
feel
free
to
reach
out,
we
can.
We
can
talk
about
it
and
happy
to
happy
to
help.
A
So,
with
many
newly
launched
adults
now,
there's
some
numerous
ideal
events
happening
every
day.
So
I've
been
seeing
the
term
of
a
doll
pretty
much
everywhere
and
a
while
ago
the
sql
capital
chant
their
trader
profile,
saying
they
would
help
the
daring
to
build
legendary
dolls
from
idea
to
token
airdrop.
A
B
There's,
there's
what's
cool
is
there's
more.
You
know
at
all
the
ethereum
events
that
are
happening
around
the
world.
There's
often
like
separate
dow
focus
events
that
are
also
happening.
There's
the
taoist,
there's
m-con,
which
happened
in
denver
so
like
daos,
are
becoming
a
conversational
topic
of
conversation
that
that
people
want
to
learn
about.
People
are
starting
them.
Anyone
can
start
them
just
like
anyone
can
launch
a
token.
B
Anyone
can
start
a
dao,
and
so,
if
you
understand
the
power
of
taos
and
and
how
ownership
of
a
community
and
giving
everyone
say
and
rights
to
controlling
capital
in,
like
that's,
collectively
managed
it's
very,
very
powerful
and
if
executed
it's
still
very
early
days.
But
if
it
executed
correctly,
it
can
become
very
scalable
and
become
probably
more
powerful
than
some
of
the
old
institutional
types
of
organization
that
that
exists.
Today.
A
A
So
if
there
are
no
economic
incentives
and
the
rhapsody
or
even
from
the
very
beginning
of
blockchain,
how
could
people
be
so
dedicated
to
a
shared
goal
and
then
they
can
even
form
a
community
to
achieve
the
collective
goals.
B
Yash-
and
this
last
question
is
very
interesting
and
very
high
level,
but
yeah,
it's
very
interesting
that
you
know
with
with
people.
Anyone
in
the
world
can
be
a
creator
these
days,
and
so
the
powerful
thing
is.
These
creators
can
can
create
their
own
communities
using
tokens
using
econo
token
economic
incentives
and
and
these
communities
can
become
dows
and
so
creators.
B
Big
doubt,
you
know,
a
lot
of
big
dials
have
have
sub-dials,
which
are
and
guilds
that
do
different,
different
things
and
contribute
to
the
larger
dow,
and
so
I
think,
there's
still
room
for
individual
creativity
and
individuality,
while
all
contributing
to
the
the
greater
cause
and,
at
the
same
time,
these
these
individuals.
B
Now,
rather
than
just
work
for
like
one
company
or
one
company,
their
whole
life.
They
can
actually
contribute
to
lots
of
different
communities
and
earn
value
in
those
communities
and
contribute
value
and
get
paid
and
earn
a
living
contributing
to
many
different
communities,
rather
than
just
one
company
who
doesn't
allow
you
to
then
contribute
to
other
communities.
A
Thank
you
skye
for
your
amazing
input
about
decentralization
and
doubt
movement.
We
would
like
to
see
more
innovation
happening
in
the
space,
so
feel
free
to
share
our
your
thoughts
about
our
podcast
and
also
you
can
let
us
know
what
kind
of
topic
you
would
like
to
hear.
Thank
you.
Everyone
for
listening
I'll,
see
you
next
time.
B
Yashen
thanks
for
having
me
this
was
a
fun
way
to
do
a
decentralized
podcast.
If
you,
if
anyone
out
there,
wants
to
learn
about
dick
style
check
out
dxdow.eath
or
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on
twitter
or
come
check
out,
the
dxd
dxdow
discord.