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From YouTube: Day 3: Encryption and You How the Internet Society Community Stands Up for Strong Encryption
Description
This session looks at what is at stake in the global encryption debate, what some of the threats to encryption are, and how you can join the effort to promote and defend strong encryption. As part of the discussion, members of the Internet Society and Global Encryption Coalition communities will outline how they advocate for strong encryption around the world, and how you can too.
Speakers: Anna Higgins, Austin Ruckstuhl, Michel Souza, Luiza Brandao, Bryan Short
A
Hello,
everyone
and
sorry
about
the
late
start
welcome
to
encryption
in
you
how
the
internet
society
community
stands
up
for
strong
encryption.
My
name
is
austin
ruckstall
and
I'm
a
policy
and
project
advisor
at
isoc,
and
I'm
happy
to
be
here
today
moderating
this
session
along
with
anna
anna.
Do
you
want
to
introduce
yourself.
B
A
So
anna
and
I
are
going
to
be
tag
team,
moderating
so
that
you
don't
get
too
tired
of
just
listening
to
me.
Talk
the
whole
way
through.
So
thank
you
anna
for
helping,
and
we
just
have
a
few
announcements
at
the
beginning
to
remember
to
use.
We
want
to
remind
you
all
if
you're
sharing
on
social
media
use
the
hashtag
communityweek21
in
anything
that
you
post
and
also
we
want
to
note
that
interpretation
is
available
right
now
in
french
and
spanish.
A
So
you
can
choose
the
corresponding
session
entry
on
the
agenda
page
to
join
your
preferred
language
and
closed
captioning
is
also
available,
and
if
you
have
questions
you
can
ask
them
in
the
chat
and
people
will
give
you
some
technical
support
on
those
and
a
big.
Thank
you
to
our
event,
sponsor
amazon
and
to
flex
optics
who
bring
interpretation
and
captioning
to
you
today
and
a
final
reminder
to
all
participants
participants
to
engage
respectfully
and
responsibly,
and
I
think
there's
some
more
for
you.
B
Yeah
I
have
a
few
more
notes.
First,
is
that
we
encourage
everyone
to
use
the
chat,
to
share
your
comments
and
ask
questions.
We
do
ask
if
you're
going
to
send
in
a
question
that
you
format
it
with
your
first
name
in
your
country
first,
so
we
can
give
you
a
shout
out.
If
we
ask
your
question
to
our
panelists,
please
also
feel
free
to
introduce
yourselves
in
the
chat
by
stating
your
name
in
your
country,
and
you
can
also
name
one
word.
A
Perfect
so
today
we're
exactly
what
is
encryption
and
why
does
it
matter?
Encryption
is
the
process
of
scrambling
and
ciphering
data
so
that
it
can
be
read
only
by
someone
with
the
means
to
return
it
or
decrypt
it
to
its
original
state.
So
it
is
secured
data
and
more
specifically,
end-to-end
encryption
is
any
form
of
encryption
or
data
in
transit,
in
which
only
the
sender
and
the
intended
recipient
can
read
the
message.
A
So
that
means
that
not
even
the
provider
or
any
person
in
the
middle
can
read
the
message
you
know
if
it's
an
app
the
app
creator
can't
read
the
content,
only
the
sender
and
receiver.
So
that's
really
important
about
end-to-end
encryption
and
the
internet
society
advocates
for
protecting
this
secure
technology,
and
we've
got
some
really
great
examples
from
our
community
today
to
talk
about
how
people
are
advocating
for
to
protect
it.
So
if
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
cool.
So
why
is
encryption
important?
A
So
we
have
a
lot
of
governments
and
organizations
that
sometimes
attempt
to
weaken
encryption,
so
they
want
to
change
parts
of
the
technology
or
they
want
to
undermine
policies
that
allow
for
the
use
of
encryption
or
strong
encryption,
especially
so
they
often
demand
ways
for
law
enforcement,
for
example,
to
access
end-to-end
encryption,
as
we
call
these
back
doors.
So
often
they'll
say
you
know:
oh
law
enforcement
wants
to
be
able
to
do
investigations
and
research,
and
they
would
be
able
to
do
more
if
they
had
access
to
all
the
content.
A
Passing
between
two
individuals
and
but
these
are
back
doors.
So,
no
matter
what
method
is
used,
there's
no
such
thing
as
a
safe
backdoor
criminals
can
and
will
discover
and
use
the
same
way
to
get
in
and
the
bad
guys
will
just
use
another
encrypted
service
to
communicate.
So,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
all
back
doors
are
bad
ideas.
So
we
really
advocate
for
strong
encryption
and
that's
a
large
part
of
what
we're
doing
on
encryption
at
the
internet,
society
and
next
slide
and
anna.
B
Thank
you
for
that
overview,
austin.
I'm
going
to
briefly
talk
about
what
we're
doing
about
the
threats
to
encryption
here
at
the
internet
society
and
with
our
community
so
isak,
our
community
and
our
allies
all
stand
up
for
strong
encryption
and
we
all
fight
against
threats
to
strong
encryption.
B
B
Last
month,
the
global
encryption
coalition
held
its
inaugural
global
encryption
day,
which
many
of
you
participated
in
and
even
held
events
for,
and
we're
very
grateful
to
you
all
for
that,
and
we
had
over
70
events
worldwide
and
we
reached
millions
of
users
through
global
encryption
day.
It
was
a
huge
success
and
we
have
all
of
you
in
the
community
to
thank
for
your
help
and
your
support.
B
B
A
Exactly
so,
we
have
a
really
really
great
group
of
people
for
you
today.
This
is
why
you're
all
here
is
to
hear
stories
from
the
community
and
hear
their
experience.
So
we
would
like
to
invite
each
of
them
to
introduce
themselves
and
tell
us
about
how
they
stand
up
for
encryption,
and
perhaps
why
and
the
work
they
do
in
their
area,
so
we're
going
to
start
with
brian
short
from
openmedia.
C
Hey
thanks,
austin
and
thanks
to
the
internet
society,
for
inviting
me
here
today
to
talk
about
the
importance
of
encryption,
so
I'm
based
in
canada
and
I
work
for
an
organization
called
open
media,
we're
a
grassroots
non-profit
organization
and
we
work
together
with
our
community
to
keep
the
internet
affordable,
accessible
and
surveillance
free.
C
My
primary
work
is
around
privacy
and
there's
a
lot
of
connections,
of
course,
to
encryption
with
my
work
in
privacy,
but
it
also
connects
to
the
work
we
do
around
freedom
of
expression
as
well
I'll,
provide
a
brief
overview
of
kind
of
the
state
of
encryption
in
canada.
Be
forewarned,
it's
not
too
sunny
and
then
some
examples
of
sort
of
threats
against
encryption
and
some
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
at
open
media
to
fight
back
and
protect
the
values
that
that
we
enjoy
that
encryption
offers
to
us.
C
So
historically
in
canada,
our
position
has
differed
from
our
five
eyes
coalition
partners
in
the
united
states,
the
uk,
australia
and
new
zealand.
C
Unfortunately,
as
recently
as
2019
and
2020,
that
statement
has
began
to
change
through
pressure,
I
think,
through
the
five
eyes
coalition,
canada
has
created
some
attacks
through
proposed
legislation
and
consultations
on
encryption
and,
most
recently
in
2020
canada,
along
with
its
five
eyes
partners,
released
an
international
statement
in
which
they
said
we
challenged
the
assertion
that
public
safety
cannot
be
protected
without
compromising
privacy
or
cyber
security.
C
This
is
really
problematic
and
flawed
logic.
Cyber
security
is
public
safety,
I'll
repeat
that
cyber
security
is
public
safety,
and
we've
got
a
few
recent
examples
in
canada
in
the
last
few
years,
demonstrating
that
most
recently,
just
in
this
year,
a
few
weeks
ago
in
newfoundland,
our
easternmost
province,
there
was
a
ransomware
attack.
We
didn't
know
what
it
was
at
first.
It
was
eventually
announced
that
targeted
a
hospital,
a
piece
of
critical
public
infrastructure
locked
down
the
servers
there.
C
Thousands
of
appointments
procedures
were
delayed,
we're
unsure
if
the
ransom
was
paid,
but
probably
it
was
just
last
year,
one
of
our
public
universities,
simon
fraser
university,
in
vancouver
burnaby,
had
a
a
breach
of
personal
information
affecting
over
250
000
students,
former
students,
faculty
staff
and
then
a
lab
that
does
it's
a
private
company,
but
it
works
with
our
public
health
care
system
had
a
breach
in
2019
that
exposed
the
personal
information,
sensitive
health
information
of
15
million
people.
C
Again
this
was
a
cyber
security
incident
in
attack,
so
encryption
is
public
safety,
but
it's
also
a
means
towards
secure
communication,
which
in
turn
facilitates
many
protected
activities
in
canada,
activities
protected
by
our
charter
of
rights
and
freedom,
freedom
of
expression,
thought,
association,
opinion
belief
and
privacy.
Of
course,.
C
Some
examples
of
threats
through
government
surveillance
to
this
kind
of
thing,
our
canadian
department
of
national
defense,
was
recently
found
to
be
monitoring
the
social
media
activity
of
black
lives
matter
organizers.
In
the
wake
of
the
george
floyd
murder,
the
department
claimed
they
are
doing
this
because
they
were
responsible
for
transporting
covid
vaccines,
but
nonetheless
this
is
sort
of
troubling
back
behavior
and
one
would
wonder
if
a
back
door
into
encrypted
messaging
platforms
existed
and
was
accessible
to
our
government,
how
they
might
have
used
this
to
access
more
information
on
these
organizers
devices.
C
In
2016,
we
learned
that
our
federal
police
force
here
in
canada
had
access
to
a
global
master
key
through
at
least
2010
to
2012
for
blackberry
devices
and
that
they
deciphered
more
than
one
million
messages
as
part
of
a
mafia
related
investigation.
We
only
found
that
out
through
court
documents
that
were
revealed,
and
we
don't
know
how
long
that
global
master
key
was
in
the
possession
of
the
rcmp,
how
long
they
used
it.
C
What
other
investigations
it
it
could
have
been
used
for
and
then
I'll
get
to
the
biggest
most
looming
threat
to
encryption
in
canada.
Right
now
is
online
harms
legislation,
and
we
see
this
in
countries
all
around
the
world.
C
The
government's
recently
done
a
very
rushed
consultation
on
this
and
they've
promised
to
introduce
legislation
within
the
first
100
days
and
they're
already
20ish
days
into
their
government
experts.
Who've
been
critical
of
the
process
have
observed
that
online
harms
is
not
really
a
legal
concept.
It's
just
something
that
the
government
has
made
up.
C
We
know
that
machine
learning
filtering
the
kind
being
discussed
by
the
government
has
been
chose
to
have
outside
negative
impacts
on
these
marginalized
groups,
and
this
is
just
one
of
a
few
ways
that
the
government
in
canada
is
promoting
a
false
narrative
that
they're
sort
of
taking
on
big
tech,
by
weakening
encryption
or
by
creating
reforms
to
the
broadcasting
act
or
by
creating
a
link.
Tax,
they're
saying
that
they're
going
to
force
big
tech
to
play
its
big
share
or
pay
its
fair
share.
C
But
you
know
the
best
thing
the
government
could
be
doing
to
take
on
big
tech
in
canada
would
be
to
give
canadians
real
privacy
rights
through
law
reform,
and
it's
really
unclear
how
companies
that
offer
end-to-end
encryption
can
meet.
The
online
harms
obligations
that
the
government's
been
talking
about.
C
So
our
work
at
open
media
and
my
work
to
protect
encryption
we've
had
a
few
different
campaigns.
Most
recently,
we
fought
back
against
apple's
proposed
changes.
We
had
a
campaign
called
I
surveil
that
that
sought
to
stop
apple
from
making
the
changes
that
they
proposed.
So,
along
with
fight
to
the
future
and
the
eff,
we
delivered
almost
60
000
signatures
to
apple.
Eventually
they
scrapped
the
parental
controls
portion
of
that
and
they've
delayed
seemingly
permanently,
hopefully
the
back
door
that
they
proposed
to
create
to
do
client-side
screening.
C
C
So
that's
it
for
for
my
introductory
remarks,
I'll
turn
it
back
thanks.
So
much.
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you
all
for
having
me
thanks
isaac
to
promote
this
community
week.
I'm
very
excited
to
be
here
both
as
a
member
of
the
internet
society
and
the
head
of
edis,
which
is
an
institute
that
works
very
close
to
the
internet
society.
D
Brazil
chapter
so
it
is,
is
an
institute
for
research
on
internet
and
society,
a
non-profit
research
association,
and
we
work
with
several
issues
between
them.
We
have
encryption
and
as
and
I'm
based
in
brazil,
what
takes
to
my
point
that
the
country
has
been
a
hot
spot
for
encryption
since
2015
2016,
when
whatsapp
was
blocked
because
it
couldn't
deliver
evidence
to
the
law
enforcement
because
of
encryption.
D
So
in
brazil
we
we
have
this
discussion
very,
very,
very
hard,
and
now
the
cases
from
the
blockades
are
in
our
supreme
court
and
the
question
is:
should
the
providers
or
better
said
most
providers
have
back
doors?
So
how?
How
could
the
state
authorities
have
access
to
our
private
communication
if
they
should
have
this
kind
of
access
and
how?
D
From
now,
we
have
just
two
votes
from
our
court,
but
they
are
something
that
gave
us
hope
because
they
recognize
the
importance
of
encryption
for
human
rights,
for
freedom
of
expression,
privacy
and
personal
data
protection.
So
we
don't
have
the
conclusion
of
this
issue
in
brazil,
but
we
are
very
hopeful
that
it
will
be
recognized
if
encryption
not
not
as
a
right
itself,
but
maybe
at
least
as
as
as
something
essential
to
other
fundamental
rights.
D
D
They
are
like
exceptional
features
or
alternative
methods
to
get
the
private
communication
content
and
it's
been
discussed
both
at
the
federal
government
level
and
in
congress,
and
we
raise
campaigns
to
promote
awareness,
mainly
from
for
police
makers
and
decision
takers
in
these
levels
of
discussions
to
show
them
that
it's
not
a
good
idea
to
make
exceptions
in
encryption,
because
the
idea
is
to
keep
a
strong
encryption.
D
That's
why
we
also
joined
the
global
encryption
coalition
and
we
participated
a
lot
in
the
global
encryption
day.
It
was
a
huge
success
here
in
brazil
too,
and
we
tried
to
produce
a
lot
of
resources
to
engage
people
with
the
idea
that
encryption
and
security
and
privacy
are
good
things
for
all
of
us,
not
just
for
a
specific
group
or
to
meet
a
specific
need.
Although
for
some
groups
and
and
regarding
some
needs
it
it's
even
more
important.
D
So
we
recently
produced
a
study
about
the
perceptions
of
stakeholders
involved
in
encryption
debate.
It's
available
in
english,
spanish
and
portuguese
for
free
in
our
website,
and
it's
very
interesting
because
we
map
the.
What
is
the
narrative,
what
is
going
on
in
the
debate,
and
we
could
find,
for
example,
why
people
defend
backdoors
or
they
the
deeper
reasons
why
these
discourses
come
around,
and
we
also.
D
I
had
a
online
course
with
the
funding
of
isaac
foundation
through
the
beyond
the
net
program,
and
it
was
a
huge
success.
We
we
had
more
than
100
applications,
which
was
unexpected
because
we
we
we
thought
not
a
lot
of
people
would
be
interested
in
encryption.
But
it
happens
that
we
have
a
lot
of
people
interested
and
we
decided
to
put
all
the
content
online
as
well
for
free
for
more
people
to
get
the
the
capacity
building
program
and
it's
available
on
on
youtube
with
english
subtitles.
D
So
all
of
you
are
welcome
to
know
what
we
have
produced
and
we
also
play
part
at
national
coalition
for
digital
rights,
where
we
discuss
encryption.
We
are
part
of
the
latin
american
and
caribbean
alliance
for
encryption.
The
global
encryption
coalition,
as
I
mentioned,
and
also
we
are
hosting
a
workshop
at
the
internet,
global
forum
about
encryption
and
network
it
and
annette
on
a
trustful
network,
and
here
I
will
leave
this
invitation
for
you
to
check
out
the
discussions
on
encryption
around
the
world
that
we
will
promote
at
itf
as
well.
A
E
E
I
don't
know
if
it's
working
those
lights,
but
it
should
be.
Oh,
yes
and
I'd
like
to
talk
what
we
are
doing
in
and
talk
about
encryption,
human
rights
and
what's
happening
here
in
latin
america,
and
I'm
going
to
talk
just
this
context
about
human
rights
and
cases,
and
I
would
like
to
have
some
thoughts
about
advocacy
to
protect
encryption.
E
So,
in
a
perspective
in
latin
america,
we
have
like
the
protection
of
the
underlying
fundamental
rights,
human
rights
that
are
involved
with
with
encryption,
for
example,
privacy,
freedom
of
expression,
freedom
of
thought,
life,
economic
and
social,
cultural
rights,
a
lot
of
human
rights
that
are
involved,
but
we
don't
have
encryption
protection
and
security
requirements
in
this
law
in
this
laws.
E
But
we
have
the
mention
about
integrity
and
secret
of
communications,
and
and
this
secret
of
communications
is
like
interpretation,
that
is
always
in
transit
communication.
Not
the
communication
that,
like
like,
is
still
in
the
in
some
places
in
the
phone
and
in
some
the
communication
that
is
stopping
if
we
can
say
so.
This
is
the
general
the
general
view.
We
have
some
specific
cases
like
in
in
cuba,
laws
that
says
that
we
have
previous
permission
to
have
encryptions
laws
in
colombia.
E
That
says
that
prohibition
of
the
encryption
in
some
specific
cases,
but
this
law
is
not
so
clear
and
we
have
some
cases
like
el
salvador
in
ecuador.
E
E
We
have
the
brazilian
the
brazilian
case
that
louisa
already
told
us
perfectly
what's
happening
in
the
in
our
supreme
court,
with
two
votes
now
a
case
from
2015
that
had
a
public
hearing
that
people
were
there.
Whatsapp
and
civil.
E
Other
people
were
there
explaining
to
the
judges,
what's
what's
encryption
and
why
this
is
important.
We
have
the
in
chile,
we
have
two
cases:
the
operation
with
a
false
narrative
about
encryption
and
things
like
this,
and
we
have
a
bill
that
was
being
discussed
to
to
to
put
the
use
of
encryption
as
an
aggregate
of
a
crime.
E
Besides
that,
we
would
like
to
express
some
places
to
do
the
voxy
and
to
promote
encryption
together
with
places
and
and
actions
that
we
here
in
the
electricity
we
are
doing
and
that
we
did
in
the
several
months
and
years
we
have
different
places
to
to
to
look
at
like
in
the
international
level.
We
have
the
human
rights
council,
for
example,
the
the
resolution
in
48
for
in
the
last
month
that
talks
about
privacy
in
the
digital
area
that
talks
about
encryption
expressly.
E
E
We
have
now
this
cyber
crime
convention-
that's
being
discussed
for
this
adult
county,
that
the
first
meeting
is
going
to
happen
now
in
january
in
in
new
york,
and
we
think
that
these
are
places
that
we
can
also
to
engage
in
like
in
the
voxi
to
to
to
protect
encryption.
E
We
also
have
like
in
international
devoxxy,
but
looking
in
a
regional
perspective.
We
have
this
american
inter-american
system
of
human
rights
and
the
the
repertoires,
for
example,
freedom
of
expression,
pedrovaca
and
other
rappers
that
are
important
to
to
protect
encryption.
E
We
have
these
economic
and
commercial
diplomacy
like
country
meetings,
g20,
g7
and
also
free
trade
agreements
that
we
can
also
have
at
voxy
in
these
agreements
and
and
these
discussions,
and
we
think
that
in
the
national
level,
we
have
regulations
like
digital
agenda,
cyber
security
policies,
personal
data
protection,
cyber
crime
regulations,
criminal
intelligence
investigation
investigation
and
also
these
crude
cases
like
the
one
that
lisa
told
us
that
are
very
important
to
to
have
cd
society
and
and
other
players
explaining.
E
What
is
encryption
and
saying
why
this
is
important,
and
I
would
like
just
to
finish
my
presentation
showing
some
examples
of
what
we
are
doing.
We
produced
this
report
about
non-t
encryption
looking
at
the
chilean
case,
but
also
looking
at
a
regional
perspective,
and
we
have
blog
posts
in
our
website
and
we
do
participate
in
the
global
encryption
coalition
also
and
the
alliance
for
latin
american
caribbean
that
was
just
launched
and
that's
it.
We
are
very
happy
with
this
conversation
and
anna
and
austin.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Excellent,
thank
you,
everybody
for
explaining
your
work
in
encryption
and
why
it
matters.
So
I
did
see
one
question
chat.
I
believe
I
don't
remember
who
it
was
from,
but
it
was
asking
sort
of
how
do
you
capture
people's
hearts
when
talking
about
encryption?
So
I
know
that
we
are.
You
know
you
are
a
community,
a
lot
of
you
work
for
ngos
and
and
you're
reaching
out
to
other
communities,
but
also
policymakers.
So
how
do
you
really
get
your?
A
C
Absolutely
yeah
thanks
for
the
question:
it's
it's
it's
difficult!
I'll
say
that
too
there
is.
There
was
a
survey
done
in
canada
and
I
think
this
transcends
canada.
This
is
a
global
issue.
People
don't
understand
what
encryption
is
and
I'm
not
just
talking
about
ordinary
people.
I
think
judges
and
lawmakers
fail
often
to
understand
what
encryption
is
and
why
it
is
so
important.
C
So
in
my
work,
when
we're
talking
about
encryption
and
we're
communicating
it
the
idea
of
it
to
people,
we
have
to
relate
it
to
stuff
that
they're
doing
in
their
ordinary
everyday
lives.
We
are
in
a
global
pandemic
right
now.
A
lot
of
our
lives
turned
online
early
on
and
we
accessed
services
digitally
that
we
would
have
gone
to
see
somebody
in
the
real
world
world
war.
C
It
could
be
financial
services,
it
could
be
health
related
services
and
the
only
thing
that's
protecting
our
information
as
we
engage
through
these
you
know
formally
in
real
world
relationships.
Now
digitally
is
encryption.
So
if
that's
your
health
data,
your
financial
data,
stressing
that
and
impressing
upon
people
that
this
is
sort
of
the
the
last
line
of
defense
between
these
essential
pieces
of
information
and
potential
harms
and
dangers
coming
to
you
so
yeah
short
answer
is
yeah
relating
making
it
relatable
making
it
accessible.
As
best
we
can.
D
Yeah,
I
totally
agree
we,
we
must
create
awareness
on
how
important
encryption
is
in
a
daily
basis,
but
there
are
some
practical
cases
that
brings
attention
to
the
discussion
and
the
importance
of
encryption.
We
heard
some
cases
on
security
incidents
in
canada.
It
happens
in
brazil,
for
example,
last
year
that
it
was
an
incident
in
the
superior
court
of
justice
and
the
whole
country
stood
five
days
without
the
ju,
the
judicial
system.
D
I
mean
everything
was
done,
and
so
this
shows
how
important
it
is
to
keep
the
highest
standards
possible
for
securing
our
information
and
in
encryption
meet
this
highest
standards.
So
there
is
this,
this
practical
dimension.
D
Also
we
faced
last
year,
the
the
largest
data
bridge
in
brazil,
220
millions
of
people
have
their
data
leaked.
So
basically,
if
you
were
alive
in
2020
in
brazil,
probably
your
data
was
leaked
as
well,
and
it
was
the
the
the
most
rational
assumption
that
we
all
had
our
data
leaked
and
it
would
not
have
happened
if
we
were
a
country
that
invest
in
things
like
encryption
and
not
invest,
timing
and
efforts
to
weakening
encryption,
but
at
a
more
subject
level.
D
I
think
if,
from
the
information
security
perspective,
encryption
is
almost
a
baseline,
I
mean
we
need
it
for
essential
life
services
and
institutional
services
for
some
of
us
in
our
society,
it's
not
just
the
baseline,
but
it's
also
the
lifeline,
and
we
we
must
say-
and
we
must
recognize
that
there
are
people
out
there
that
just
survive
because
they
have
their
communications
encrypted
and
people
who
suffer
from
any
kind
of
threats
or
violence,
especially
in
a
country
super
violent
as
brazil
against
women
against
minorities
against
including
the
law
enforcement
agents.
D
E
Austin
well,
I
think
that
luisa
and
brian
just
got
very
good
points
about
how
difficult
is
to
talk
about
encryption
and
how
difficult
to
talk
with
different
audiences.
I
think
that
this
is
one
the
one
of
the
most
important
things
that
we
have
to
to
understand
because
different
audiences,
they
they
have
like
different
perspectives,
but
they
have
also
different
objectives
that
they
want
to
pursue,
and-
and
this
is
important
to
to
also
talk
their
language
and
and
show
the
the
risks
that
are
involved
right
and
with
the
thought.
E
The
risks
that
are
involved
are
very,
very
high,
like
we
are
talking
about
human
lives
here,
we're
talking
about
the
infrastructure
of
the
country
like
the
we
are
talking
about
all
of
these
kurds
that
are,
in
the
all
the
cases
that
are
encouraged,
for
example,
we're
talking
about
a
lot
of
things.
So
this
is
very
difficult,
but
we
have
to
like
also
say
the
good
things
about
it.
I
mean
the
the
good
the
the
bright
side
of
the
the
encryption.
E
I
think
we
have
to
focus
also
because
we're
talking
about
security,
we're
talking
about
liberty,
with
our
we're
talking
about
privacy,
we're
talking
about
daily
things.
It's
not
a
super
difficult
question
like
we
are
talking
about
our
lives,
but
we
have
to
express
how
this
is
important
and
we
would
like
to
stress
the
importance
importance
always
to
talk
about
encryption
and
human
rights,
because
we
have
human
rights
that
are
already
set
and,
and
we
have
privacy,
we
have
freedom
of
expression.
E
We
have
all
these
literature
and
and
conventions
and
everything
about
it,
and
we
have
to
place
encryption
together
with
human
rights,
because
encryption
is
essential
for
the
protection
of
human
rights.
Encryption
is
essential
for
vulnerable
communities,
for
journalists
for
a
lot
of
people,
and
I
think
this
is
difficult.
How
we
talk
with
different
people
with
different
audiences,
with
different
objectives,
institutional
objectives
also
and
how
we
do
it
in
a
simple
way
like
this
is
not
very,
very
complicated.
We
have
to
do
like
a
simple
talk
to
people
in
order
they
can
understand.
B
Great,
thank
you
all
for
those
insights.
We
have
only
three
minutes
left,
so
I'm
gonna
ask
our
panelists.
If
you
have
a
single
recommendation
or
piece
of
advice
that
you'd
like
to
pass
on
to
our
community,
we're
gonna
do
a
quick
lightning
round
brian.
Would
you
like
to
go
first.
C
I'm
sure
I
think
it's
just
to
underscore
the
importance
of
encryption
as
being
an
essential
sort
of
yeah.
Last
line
of
defense.
Louise
has
said
it
well
and
she
said
like
this:
is
it's
not
just
you
know
it
is
our
infrastructure
and
stuff,
but
it's
also.
Human
lives
are
at
stake,
and
people
depend
upon
this
to
do
important
work
to
defend
the
essential
rights
and
freedoms
that
we
have
and
without
encryption
that
that
work
becomes
much
more
difficult,
if
not
impossible,
to
do
so.
Yeah
I'll
keep
it
short.
D
E
Yes,
to
be
very
short,
I
think
that
we
have
to
stress
that
encryption
is
the
exercise
of
rights
and
encryption
is
a
guarantee
of
rights
and
we
we
do
have
to
promote
it
in
order
to
protect
the
human
rights
that
we
already
have
and-
and
it's
a
pleasure
to
be
in
this
panel-
it's
a
thank
you
very
much
for
this
invitation
and
we
continue
in
the
advocacy
in
this
very,
very
different
fora
that
we
have
for
the
voxi
and
we
are
available
for
future
engagements.
Thank
you.
B
Amazing,
well,
thank
you
so
much
to
our
panelists.
We
really
appreciate
you
having
you
all
here
today.
I'd
also
like
to
extend
a
thank
you
to
our
sponsors,
amazon
and
flex
optics
for
their
continued
support
of
community
week,
and
I'd
also
like
to
extend
a
thank
you
to
our
exhibitors
in
the
booths
and,
above
all,
thank
you
to
you
all
our
community
for
attending
our
community
week.
B
We
really
appreciate
your
time
and
your
participation
and
your
continued
support,
and
we
also
ask
that,
when
the
host
event
survey
is
sent
out
to
you
that
you
fill
it
out,
we
would
love
to
hear
your
feedback
and
improve
this
event
for
next
year.
So
thank
you
so
much
everyone
and
we're
going
to
end
the
session
now.
Thank
you
so
much.