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See working doc from this meeting - http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/D3D_Meeting_Log#Mon_Mar_27.2C_2017

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Okay, I'm recording here so this is our monday meeting of the working team, welcome everybody and welcome world. So I'm going to start with a brief presentation and here's the presentation about how do we know the the process is on track. So, if you click on this link, I'm sending this into the chat box. You can watch with me otherwise I'm going to just share my screen here so I'm going to share my screen as well.

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Or you can take a look at that doc and follow me a long or you can just watch my screen. I am I am trying to share my screen. Ok, so I'm sharing my screen. Ok! So here it is this document and.

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The idea is like, what's this overall process of how do you know like you know, when we have a lot of different people working on a cat and- and you know, especially when it gets more complicated, laterz, there's more people working on this? What how do we, let me mute, mute to everybody as I speak here.

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Yeah as we work on this, how do we organize all this work to be effective and everyone's working together, so I put together a little document about like how do we improve the swarm development process? I want to get your feedback like how you know, since we've been added for just a little bit, how how we think it's going and what are the gaps and blocks to this process. I know that some of the gaps is definitely understanding the process.

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That's that cultural literacy of understanding how this whole thing works, which is new for many people. But so let me let me go with this, so so I started by looking at this diagram, this Harry diagram and when I looked at it. This is the development template, like all the different steps that we have but functionally it's kind of all know it's kind of hard to follow or kind of useless and some way except it does have all the steps in there. I decided. Okay, let me not go into any of that.

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Let's just go to kind of explaining how we go about development, so it's more more tractable for everybody on the team and including anybody who wants to join the team. So so the problem statement is: how do we know like so we're in the middle of the design process? We've got different modules being in process.

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We've got CAD, we've got some instructionals, we've got primarily cat and instructional some bill of material work happening, but how do we know it's done and or its or it needs more work and by the way, if you can't hear me well, I mean you: can you can view this video? So don't worry about if you that the this is bad, cuz I Murray, recording it. If the sound is that on your sideline chance, but so so it's important to know the definition of down for the CAD, the building materials and instructionals. Well. Why?

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Because the more that the team knows about what the process looks like the more people can take initiative and then the process manager who we don't really have one right now. It's me I mean I'm trying to manage the process. What we really need a dedicated person for that, so the process manager, if people know what's going on the process manager, is not carrying all the burden. So in bottom line is projects are executed more effectively. That's the idea when people know how to assess whether something is finished or not.

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So how do we do that? Well, first of all, we have to back up to water standards of completion are and we're developing products for that lend themselves to extreme manufacturing, meaning the rapid one day builds. So that means the requirement for instructionals is pretty high.

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It means we don't just have like your average Joe instructionals, but really good ones, and where we have streamlined everything so that we know that we can do the build in a single day, because that's what we're doing we're saying we're going to run workshops where we build these things, so you have to be efficient in all counts like like low parts, count easy to source low-cost people scale, simple, procedural, simple procedures, simple tooling, safety in the build process, retaining high-performance why retaining modularity and scalability, so our documentation standards have to be extreme.

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It will be nice if we can like, for example, we've got a design. How do we know it's working and how do we know we can build it well. Some of the things we can check is the consistency between our bills of materials and our CAD and our instructionals, because they're all related they're all based on a CAD and because we have the cad asset fully in the freak add, then we can actually do some cross checks and verifications.

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So the development process starts with our breakdown, so we break the different modules modules up. People were working on a different modules, but then, at the end like right now we're trying to integrate it. We've designed some of the modules and now we're putting them together into complete machines, but then, in the end of the day, we want to make sure that everything is on track, that we haven't like mixed up parts or anything like that. So we got to verify the Bill of Materials.

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We got to verify that the build steps are correct and we can do things like the short videos where the to me the ultimate mark of the completed processes, where we got up to the short videos where I mentioned that in another meeting before.

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But basically we learned just to review that last year, when we did the 3d printer workshop, we learned that a very, very effective tool for how we can get everybody to finish on time and have everybody help one another is what, if we have very short looping videos about 15 seconds and each 15 seconds, video would get us about 15 minutes of build time, but the key part there was that everyone works together and it's something always somebody finishes first and they're kind of waiting around.

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So the idea there was whoever finishes first helps everybody else. Whoever finishes second helps everybody else. Until there's, only one person left who's finishing last and everyone's helping them. So what this does it assures that everyone finishes on time and the scarce resource, which is guidance, is provided so not only the workshop instructors but the people in there they're like okay, here people we've done it I know how to do it. So then everyone else steps in as the instructor and that way you can finish much faster than before.

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So that's the general idea of the rapid fire, the very short video instructionals, being the hallmark of a completed development process. That means we've gotten the cad we've done instructionals and we've even done the videos, but then the block is well. How do we do the videos, if, like only one or perhaps one person, has the final machine like I? Have a final machine?

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That's going to be built here, but I can't do all the videos I can do some and I can do as much as I can we still have a month left right now and by the way, because we're kind of a little behind I'm going to call the event for april twenty nine instead of the 22nd, I haven't posted it. Last friday we were still missing a couple of things like the final, like the cat of the mini version.

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Definitely the infographic. This video- I still haven't done that so I'm planning to do that by wednesday, so we still have a full four weeks. It's from this saturday will be full for weeks. Okay, so that's the timing, but going back to this discussion here, the final step being really good videos they're really really tight. Well edited I mean, if you have a video. That means you really worked out the procedures.

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First, we did like written procedures and I'll talk about how we get I'm going to spend this discussion talking about how we get to the video. So just a couple of things, though, in the overall process, I'd like you all to go back to the issue reporting on a 3d printer on network, the LSC network, the 3d printer group, like a manual mention that hey we gotta, have a place where we can all communicate so I.

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I do want to paste that I am pasting that do use that, let's try to put everything work in progress.

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Everything at the OSC network, which is which is daddy, d3d development group there so, instead of like spam and facebook cuz people would get tired of that on facebook. In our workshops, group or whatever this the network page, is a place where we can all post and just do all this. Like everything the questions in the whole discussion, it should be our discussion forum, like a forum, so definitely use that. So try to shift to that and see. If we can get all the discussions there, because then everybody can help.

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It's not like discussions, an email, but once again we need someplace where there's public discussion and outside of email, so checklist is work. Logging were logging, that's going well. I would like to see some more work.

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Logging from people who like do more of that in the process like if you have any questions you can use your work log to do that, so it becomes a more interactive process as opposed to just having one time before the meaning or like you post it up to just try to see if you can do more interactive on the logs because, like for example, I know, Cedric's, for example, has finished this. This extruder I haven't seen it until like today, so I couldn't really comment before.

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So, if we could like do any interim posting on a network or geez, just even on a log or by email, that would work better. I would like to see more back and forth on a team. So, okay, so let's talk about how we treat the cad and how that works. So so we broke down so here.

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This is here's this we're at this thing, where we got all these cad files and and they're like a module like a frame like the extruder like the axis of some sort, and things like that, so um I think the best workflow would be if from that CAD like whatever, whatever cad you did, you can go to the bo em and the fabrication procedures for that, because before we said, okay Jose was going to do like the whole BLM. Well, he hasn't done the whole design of the entire 3d printer.

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So he should probably do his part that he did and stuff like that. So I think like in the future. We might want to break it down and have the person each person go through the CAD through the build materials and through the fab.

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Fab means the fab procedures instructionals, because we're breaking it up by modules and a person should continue that because they're familiar with it and we have the CAD so I think it makes a lot of sense to to continue not like just give the Bill of Materials to somebody, but everyone does their own and then at the end we combine it. So at the end, the integration step is where we combine that all into one, but we shouldn't have really one person to early.

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Do that, maybe maybe we try to do the BLM too early, because I know there's still someone adaptations happening to it, and then we finalize so I propose that kind of workflow and I want to get your input little later. But okay. So let's go to how the CAD relates to the BLM. But okay, you can take the CAD once you have it once it's you have your overall file you've got to break down into the parts.

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Well, although the BLM is, is basically list those things in a spreadsheet put a part description to it and put a link to the sourcing. So that's all it is and then from the CAD we can get the exploded part diagram, the diagram. So what's our diagram would be a very useful thing.

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We haven't really done that, but the way you can do it is in a cloud editable doc, like the google docs here, just make cut and paste into the doc put numbers by it name, the part and if it's the same part, just use the same number. If it's a different part then go up to number two and three and four and so forth.

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So basically, once you label it, you know the unique part count for that module and if you, if you count up all the numbers, you get the total part count, so that should be transparent within the exploded. Part dagger. That's what I would like to see that happening, because then you can create the bill materials pretty much naturally from the explosion. Part diagram, so hot here just show some instructions.

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So the Explorer part diagram verifies that the cat is complete if all parts can be separated within and like I noticed, some people were saying that they can't separate the files, the parts in a CAD. Typically, we want the cat, some some CAD file to be broken down to all the parts. I know we have module files and we have overall files, but in the module files we should have the breakdown absolutely to the smallest part.

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Nothing should be like a union of more than one part unless we're buying that as a whole thing and even for the extruder, we should break it down because then we also want to open source of an extruder and build ourselves not rely on the fact that we just have this one part of the shelf, so there there it is on the BLM that those materials quantities are obtained from exploded. Diagram description is obtained from the link to find the link of a certain part.

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You got to search the web or link to one of our free CAD files. Okay. Next now you can also do the visual bill of materials, which would be not only the exploded, part diagram, but it would also have links to the parts. So we can like just for people's awareness, like someone say downloads, that they can click on all the parts kind of get a feeling for where everything is so it could be very useful, definitely a useful asset.

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Once again, you number that get you the unique part count okay, but let's keep going here.

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So the point about the exploit part diagram is it verifies the CAD and it gets you. The part count.

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So then I reiterate why the parts must be separable in the original CAD, because we want to one do fabrication, drawings and if you do that, sorry, the fabrication procedures throw seizures and the procedures rely on the fact that you have to separate the whole thing from the build from the very very parts. So you need to have the separable part files and also, if you want to do, do cam files which are computer-aided manufacturing such as STL's or anything else.

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You have to have it everything broken down into the individual parts or otherwise you can't print them or you can only print them as one object which which, if you, for example, print something is one object. You would not be able to put the parts inside that belong inside that objective.

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If that thing is supposed to be made of many parts like the extruder, you can't put the internal pieces if you print the outside casing in one piece: okay, so to show separuh bility of parts you can hide and unhide parts and free cats on freecad. You know that when you select something you can hit spacebar, if you select an object, it will hide and you can hit spacebar again to to unhide it. So it's very useful so for exploded. Part diagrams, an easy workflow. There is to use cloud editable docs to do that.

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So now, let's get into the instructionals, because we're getting to instructional that I do want people to help on instructionals and then actually help out on getting towards the videos. So two ways to generate instructions, one you can hide it on high parts and precast. Oh and the top top thing here, top string of arrows they're basically have like the first part you unhide the next part to it. That's the second part. Third and fourth 1560 on until you, you generate the entire thing, with the parts appearing in the order of build.

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That would get you in essentially a simple instructional or you can move parts and free cat as well and take screenshots there like. If you want to add these two parts here to the freecad procedure that you're taking the screenshots of then you'd, take a screenshot of that far away and then screenshot of it in place. So there's different ways. The hide and unhide is easy.

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Moving parts moving parts in and out of the assembly and screen capturing that can get you some assembly videos, and we do want to experiment with that, so that we have that capacity. In addition to just doing the real video instructional, meaning of video camera or a smartphone and actually tripod and videotaping me here, for example, so so here's the deal now. How do we figure out I want to talk about the order of assembly and instructional structural?

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Here's the deal about instructions, we have to do it and we have to figure out the order and, if you think about it's like a jigsaw puzzle, it's trial and error like if you get a bunch of parts on the table like I bet, you could figure out how to build a 3d printer like the axis. If you look at a picture of it but it'll, take you a bunch of trial and error. You'll see like oh this fits here. Oh this doesn't sit here and it'll.

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Take you a long time and that's the whole point we want to get away from you want to do it, build it once if you have proper instructions, you build it once, but that's what you do and you can do that in a freak out. You can figure out how things work together. We work that out all before the workshop, so that we have the one day build. It just has to be done, there's no magic about it. You just look at the parts.

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You kind of examine which you know which goes first and there's tricks of how you can do that so I'm going to discuss that. So the point is that the order of assembly does matter. It's actually actually critical, but it also becomes self-evident once you actually go through the work and freecad to explore what goes first and we'll go second. So that's the difference like you know like in a workshop here.

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The way you get one day build is simply when you build once not a multiple number of times. What everybody else does you know like people building stuff that is not extreme manufacturing they'll build it once they made a mistake, they'll take it apart, they'll build it again and they end up actually building the whole thing about three or five times instead of building at once, because they have to take things apart and then put them back together.

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I mean I, know that, because we've done a lot of that, that's you know a lot of the prototyping here. That's why we're going to this build once theory by doing the full instruction full examination of that beforehand. So when you get get up to the build, everything is verified so just to give you an example of how the you can do freak out instructions he's an example of the the brick press.

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Where you have the cylinder coming in then the plates closing up the cylinder, so you can highlight and take screenshots you can make instructionals that way. So that's that now there's ways you can verify the procedure or the build order by using three Jan, so I'm going to discuss that here. This is this is about produced. This slide here is important about producing build videos, but it starts with written instructionals that can end up in free cat videos. Ok, so what do you do so?

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Take the free cat assembly make a copy delete any unnecessary parts from the file that you're not documenting, so write a build instruction using free have snapshots would I just mention with the with the frame like here. You can take snapshots.

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Hiding and unhiding parts is a very simple way, so that was the example. Now you can verify your build instructional order by confirming that if you hide and unhide parts in the order of assembly that your action is visible, do you understand that, in other words, if something is a part is hidden because, like it lies under a certain part, when you try to select it and hide it in the tree view, you won't see what you did in the interview of the object and freecad, because it's behind some other part.

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Well, that also tells you that that's not the proper order that you would build it, because if you can't access or see it, that means you can build it. It's the wrong order, so you can verify the instructional order. The first first way to do that is simply observing. If what you have done to hide and unhide apart is visible or not. So if you and that's when you're working within the graphics view of freecad, that's pretty easy, because, typically, you cannot click on things that are inside of other things.

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You first have to click on things that are outside, so you kind of peel away layer by layer until you get to the inner parts, so that should be pretty self-explanatory. That's that's the biggest part of how you figure out the order. Now, there's another step. I'll tell you about a little more so so here I once again, I'm reemphasize.

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So, if you're doing an instructional post to the LSC net, where at so I'm trying to encourage the culture of people posting on the network, so everybody sees kind of the progress in real life.

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So if you, if you do your instructional submitted just put it in, and an Aussie Network the 3d 3d network discussion, basically a technical discussion group there, so that we can review it, whether it's myself or somebody else that reviews it so so after the instruction was complete and approved. So we have to approve first that this the order sequences is okay.

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Then we can write a video script on that and then basically take your your steps that you wrote and and write them out as if you are going to narrate a video because you're going to capture this video off precap from pre-cut, so I'll break down the scripts that into 15-second chunks. That means you can only do so much like you have to be very tight. Like 15 seconds.

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It means that you got to be like no loose, no like unnecessary words, just very tight, because that 15 seconds should convert to about 15 minutes of build time in real life. So, in order for us to do the workshop successfully, we want to have about a couple of dozen videos like this very short videos. They are looping on the overhead projector and everyone looks at them and, as I mentioned before, how everybody works together.

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The first person that finishes helps another and that's that's how we found we can really do effective, builds and have everybody help out. So it's really like a 60-fold compression ratio. One minute equals one hour so like a six-minute, video should get you like a six hour, build all together in 15. Second chunks. That's that's realistic. Little we're aiming for about six minutes of video, which corresponds to six hours of actual bill, because it takes you of course, much longer to build it.

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Then you can show that in the video, so the video scripts must be specific and completing themselves so to create a video here's, the procedure now and it may I, don't know how well. This is going to work and I tried a simple prototype just before it's kind of marginal, but could be useful. But what you do is in draft workbench.

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You simply take your assembly and move parts according to your written instruction and, of course, you're going to strip things from the outside, because those parts on the outside are the only ones accessible, in other words, you're doing you're you're doing the action in the reverse order of your instructional that you wrote as the text instructional, thereby creating a video in reverse order of assembly so to create the video you just capture your screen using program like volcko screen, screen capture and here's where you cannot have another verification of the build or like when you're actually moving parts by each other gives you a second hint to whether you're built procedure is actually correct.

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So, hopefully, we've caught everything by just examining everything in detail in the first step here. In step 3, but this step right now, step 8 can get us additional information when we're moving things around and we see that actually some things hit because the thing has a volume and it hits once you start moving in.

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You can see that your procedures may not be right or something is not fitting, so you might have to go back to the drawing board and reevaluate your procedure, but this is just another piece of information that you're getting from this process. So then the correct freak at assembly video is obtained by vide by the bike by playing the screen capture that you did in Reverse.

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In other words, you captured a disassembly procedure. So in order for that to be an assembly procedure, you have to just play the video in Reverse. So then you narrate the script of your video using your 15 seconds chunk then edit that 15 second chunk and caden life. So that's the the in principle, the procedure of how we want to do this and it may be hard because pre CAD, like if you you know, if you look at freecad, it's not so easy to move things in.

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You know like the way you drag drag things within freecad is not super easy, it's kind of jerky, but it can get you possibly can get you reasonably decent videos that might be usable of actual procedures. So, for example, and yeah I mean you might end up doing a lot of video editing because you move parts you capture some video I'm, hoping that you can actually video the actual process. How you, for example, take your cursor and you actually say, dragging the cursor moving apart.

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Well, that's a fake way to do an animation right and in fact that's what the animation workbench and free cat is supposed to do. So that's something we haven't learned. We would probably want to look into that, but short of having the assembly animations within freecad functionality. We can do the screen captures of us moving things or stopping moving and could get to be a lot of editing, but the free cut model has everything in it.

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So in principle, you can make a relatively decent video within freecad by a combination of high to unhide, as well as the dragging of things into place.

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So definitely people can work on on instructionals within free cut itself, capturing things that become videos and become our video instructions, because I'm going to capture as much of the video here as possible, but there might be some steps that we might may not capture and it would help if others have that in freecad as videos in free cat, so both free cat videos and real assembly videos should both should be used once once again, it's time consuming to produce real videos. Like last time we did the 3d printer workshop.

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We had like five or six videos but reason we needed like ten. We had. We were a few short week. Eynde of we did it nonetheless, but it was less efficient. So the freak ads free cat videos allow a larger team to participate in video creation and sometimes the free cat videos can be more clear than the real videos, because we've got ability to zoom to do. Transparency, selection, hiding and highlighting so you can actually emphasize- is better in the free cat.

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Video screen capture so using both provides the most compelling form of documentation so and then. Finally, like it's the last step of finalizing our instructionals, what we want to do- and Jose mentioned this- is creating a build order, Cadfael meaning creating a file with a cab tree that when you it's actually ordered in the order of assembly, as opposed to like kind of like randomly. However, you you first design the thing.

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So a typical Cadfael part tree does not show parts in the order of assembly is the point, because, whoever designed it probably didn't think about the assembly order at that time, so, based on the finalized, instructionals and new cad file should be created where the tree view order does correspond to the build order to do this. Save every part of the build part of the non build order file as a separate file, so you basically save every single pieces of separate file and then import into freecad in the order of assembly.

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So everything every single screw every single part has to be upload imported in the order of assembly, and the good point about it is the resulting file would now allow a user to manipulate the 3d image and also by using the free cad, which is just very simple, hide and unhide like you, don't have to know how to use free cat to open up a file in it.

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Somebody can take that file open it up and just go through the tree view, one by one hiding and unhiding parts, and they could actually see how the whole thing goes together. An order in the proper build order.

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So we can, for example, give those files to workshop participants and they can walk through the virtual build within free cat by using the project tree view, and then also you get another point of validation from that, because if you simply count the number of items you got in your tree view, that will actually correspond to your overall part count and you'll be able to do that in a few minutes, because it's organized and you can count so that's another validation point.

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So a couple of things on CAD checklist for people to be aware of explode, part, diagrams instructions and freakout video all verify that parts are separate. So we know that the overall CAD file has everything broken down to the smallest part. Then we do the final step that the build order corrected CAD file is produced at the very very end, so we're not ready for that yet, but we we would want to do that so that people have that prior to the workshop, which will really help them so checklist for how you do those materials.

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First of all, the final BLM count is the number of items in the treaty of the assembly corrected Cadfael, that's something we can get at the end very end. You have to make sure that links to sources are shown, so don't just put a name of a part, put an actual link to an actual source cost of materials. Usage costs. The distinction for usage costs is you might by like a hundred bearings but you're using 58.

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So you have to show the usage costs, not that the fact that you bought a hundred in a pack but that you used 58. So you only take fifty eight percent of that cost. For example, now delivery time should be indicated because, if someone's organizing a workshop, they should know know that, like how much time, shipping time they need, we should have two shipping options.

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One is the cheap option, which takes a lot of a long time and a fast shipping option, which takes a very short time, but it costs more because of faster shipping number of required items has shown. The quantity of each required item must be shown.

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The tone crossing clarks count and total part count are also shown, so you sum up the entire cost sum up the unique parts and sum up the total parts. So that's beyond then instructionals check check list. The instructional order is verified by the freak at hiding and unhiding. So that's something you can work with virtually and definitely get very close. If not exactly to the proper build order, then the instructional is converted the instructional, the written instructional is converted to a script and then a script is narrated over video that you capture.

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So those are the three major points. So that's kind of that kind of shows the the overall process of using the cab to validate some things. How do you relate? How do you make sure that the CAD is proper?

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How do you know that the bill of materials is proper and by going back and forth between the CAD and the bill of materials and the instructional, you should be pretty sure that you have accounted for every part and I will go back to this part.

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I think the exploded parts diagram is perhaps the link between just having CAD and just having the bill of materials, because if you blow up the CAD into all its parts and number it like an explode, the poor diagram, basically all the parts with bubbles corresponding to the numbers and the first item of that kind is labeled. You can very easily count module by module. How many total parts you have so I think we should do some exploded part diagrams. When are we ready to finalize the design? So that's just that.

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So at this point, yeah I'll quit the discussion here and maybe any questions or comments on this. This whole process.

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And then we can check in as far as where we are and.

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What we're doing.

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Okay, so not not too much main comments, so, let's check in where we are right now, because, as I mentioned, the the current goal is to publish the actual event by by wednesday, I would say I can work on it tomorrow and wednesday morning, and that way we have 4 complete weeks to go to the end of the to the first workshop on this 3d printer and the status here is yeah, I mean I was working on a cable chains.

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If you want to go to the OSE network posting, you can see the cable chains in progress there, but the height sensor works really well, I'm just basically cleaning up all the wiring from a big hairy mess to this nice. Nice bundle and came the cable change. So the thing looks really good and we're working on the so.

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The other thing we're working on is under 22 other different versions of the machine, which is the d3d mini, which is the 8 inch version and the 12 inch version, which are both the cuts that we have an existing metal files day. The metal cuts I already have here. So we want to test those and it looks like what we can do- and this is the manual pointed this out. The frame doesn't really need the 2 inch width on the metal as little as 1 inch can be enough to attach the axis to the frames.

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So we can go essentially 16 inch. Then the next cutout has got 14 inches of width, then 12 10 8, so there's actually, five 16 14 12 10 8, so we're getting five sets of parts so very, very efficient on the materials used because we're hardly wasting anything and the smallest being eight inches, which is currently working out reasonably well. We have to adjust the frame a little bit to make sure we have with the 8 inch version. We have a five by five min inch print area, which is good.

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There's five by five inch print areas are available. I already got that in the mail, so I can build that the d3d mini, which will still have all the features, the automatic leveling and everything else, but it'll just be a much smaller printer, still allowing you to print all the parts. If you wanted to make yourself a 16 inch version of that printer, so, let's check in where we are with everybody I know, there's the two versions in progress and then jean-baptiste. You got the info graphic work and then Cedric's working on the extruder.

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So let's check in on all of that and Sheila. If you have any more questions, so maybe manual Jose tell us where you are on those other versions, because it would be nice to include within the posting of the event actual a CAD of the smaller versions, which are all options that people can build either the 16, 12 or 8 inch version, and probably actually anything from like the 16 14 12 10 8, which will be slight modifications. But these are the like the main styles of 3d printers that we can make.

A

Okay, would you mind filling us in the manual single day.

A

All right hope they go ahead. Yeah.

B

I, oh you know, I was saying that we're trying to complete a beautiful view. I was stopped in wheeler new interface for the brokerage bridge.

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A

So, what's the coordination there Emmanuel, can you speak up on ya cozy? You.

B

A

I'm, sorry, yeah, okay, okay uh right the manual: can you pipe in any or are you available there because uh I think both of you guys have to do an extruder interface?

A

So one of you have to do because I think the mounting system is gonna, be the same for that. So.

C

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A

Know I'm asking it from I think Jose is asking about the extruder mount because we have to make a different one. Did you end up doing one or because I think it's something both of you can coordinate on yeah.

C

Yeah, it will be clever to do the same one like having touch it. Yeah I want to talk to your boss up first Carlton. What are we going to excluded yeah yeah.

A

I mean we have two in the eighth inch version and you can take a look at that. You can go to the manuals log for the d3d mini yeah.

C

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Yeah I saw that so let me actually share my screen. Cuz I've got that I've got that up. I can.

C

I make them pumped up straight up. I can increase.

C

Respond even all right.

A

So here's the d3 d mini, so that's how it looks the frame I.

A

Basically all the axes are outside in order to get the larger print area, but the goal is simply to get a five by five min print area, and what we're doing here is we're using these these parts here those are new pieces and they're just simply extend their mouths, so that that you would have you would have the magnets medic attachment on the side using four magnets and then the the axis just mounts onto them, because we just don't have enough room otherwise to make for a 5 by 5 inch working area.

A

Now we only need five by five inch in this case, so I, don't think you even do you even need them on both sides? If you have one side already extended.

C

Probably 45 90 after.

A

You account for the end, stop order. Okay, yeah.

C

If you measure the length one mother from a high click and then remove yeah.

A

Okay, something like two point: seven inches ya,.

C

Have to measure up to the end of May Iseman, where the ISIS.

A

All right right right right, so that's even more yeah, but it looks like that's more than 2.7. So it's more like three point, seven and then there's another about three. It looks like more like six point. Seven, some more like five point. Seven looks like you got it more than five inch travel there. Just.

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Removing a great of them of x axis so because you can't drink onyx on the one side expects to reveal the other blood type you won't now. Maybe I can tell this their last name. Yeah.

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You have to remove that with, but right now, I'm.

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Well, look at where the z-axis is going to be so the z-axis. What I would do is I would move the z axis to the inside, possibly so you have the full Z height. What I would do is put the extruder mount it on top and make it hang off the side of your ear platform. Your extruder platform mounted on the top, and then the nozzle is right below the platform.

A

With yeah that way, whichever way allows the nozzle to hit you have to put in the 5-inch bed and see where the nozzle would it would not be to the side, it would be to the to the z axis or away from the z axis it wouldn't be to the sides. Awesome.

C

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No I, don't think so. I mean if it's between the rods, then you're limiting your travel distance. Okay between the rod.

C

English, but if even if you move the z axis to the inside, you see love these carrots stocks yeah. If we know you will not gain any more gosh.

A

Right but you would have up to between that and up and the top you have six inches. So you have a max of six inches of travel, yeah.

C

Anywhere, you can also go see ya.

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A

Ok, every motor is up I'm sensing that there's going to be interference. If the motor is down the plate is above the motor at all times, so you never have interference.

A

Ok, I would say that I would probably move it to the inside, because that way, according to the first inspection is like, you almost have 46 inches of vertical travel, but you want it to be inside, because the the top of the platform wants to be like right below the x-axis platform for the extrude extruder platform, you want to have the nozzle reach just below the.

A

Platform, so okay yeah, but you're, pretty close, that's pretty good well, but you gotta, you gotta I, mean so I would say think about how you get this so that the nozzle is just a little below the surface of the platform and and the extruder is probably sitting on top of that carriage I don't see beyond the bottom. If it's on the bottom here you lost so much vertical space.

A

Already you won't have an easy travel, so I would sit it on the top because you've got space on top, but the nozzle just have to make sure you go down with it downing up. So it's you're going to have to seriously geometry considerations there, for which reason you might have to make the z-axis go even higher, because because you have to make somehow that the platform reaches the nozzle, that's a very specific geometry. That's very constrained yeah!

A

So, however, you do that you got to make it work.

A

Yeah, so you got to divide it up between you, two guys. As far as the mount the new mount, we see that the nozzle goes down quite a bit, so it definitely wants to. The extruder definitely wants to be on top of the.

A

Yep definitely the extruder is sitting on top of the platform.

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But it's on top of the platform and off to the either away from the z axis or towards the z axis and the range such that you have to constrain it so that it is above the print bed.

A

Yeah yeah, so that's I mean there's a real work. There I mean you got to just figure that out.

B

Yeah, what if you.

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Spaces and put a piece of 3d printed change with the magnets to leave the exact.

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Cool if the x-axis- yes, you could do that too. It's.

B

Nice to hear Laura for multi, like being with you, may want to think about racism and nice of them to.

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Extend the height vertically yeah.

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That's right, that's right! If we have to do that, we should, if we don't have to we shouldn't right, I mean if we get enough to Z travel like what I saw in that, what the manual showed there's, potentially six inches of vertical travel, so that'll be good enough. I would say that that would be sufficient over making the design have more parts and be more complicated.

A

So if we get like a minimum desirable vertical distance, we should quit at that, unless it's only like, maybe four inches like if we get five or six inches I'd be happy without doing any more vertical raising. Because it's about simplicity, you want to eliminate anything that you don't need. Yeah.

A

Yeah, so so guys who's going to work on that. What are your schedule looking like, because we kind of like, is there any way we can do this by wednesday? I really wanted to post the post the event like wednesday night working at tomorrow and wednesday.

B

Back to Wednesday night.

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About jean-baptiste today, do you have any time.

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Are you on the an infographic.

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All right, let's take a look at that for a second.

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I think a real, not loser and lots of space.

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No expert on top of my stuff, see me without any mouth and even face and she goes yeah so.

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If you put on a plan on the amount, then that should be pretty good should be just just above the correct height I good.

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Yep yep, that's right: okay and you're missing the motor there so yeah that that motor will be yell, be perfect, ready.

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Yeah you're crashing all the time is that how bad it is.

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No, it's it. What happens when you import something.

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You see here six position, yeah.

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Okay um yeah, I would like awesome ya know that should be good, so we're pretty close to that and then it's just a little bit on the wire routing but yeah. What I want to do is let soon that, as soon as that, 3d CAD file is complete and you got the new mount I can build it cuz. I go to frame parts here so that we can also roll that out before the workshop. We can actually build a real one and don't motivate people to sign up for the workshop. So, um let's see.

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Thanks to their mouths and.

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Yeah you gotta put done stops in ok.

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So one guy can view the extruder java track approve xbox.

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Ok, let's check in.

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Stop just was a valid.

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Way you have it now, I think, is a just. The end stops go as is right, I, don't.

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Not sure, ok, um ok, so, let's check in let's just check in on them. Oh I see I.

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See some look Jose I'm I'm, looking at your at your CAD, oh.

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So you put, the extruder below looks like.

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So you guys can see my screen there, haha so this would I'll say what you have here. That does not work, because it I mean for the 12 inches. That would work, wait how using a different mount or you know that that wouldn't ya, that mount is actually wrong because I wouldn't fit like that right.

A

Then you on the mount that you have.

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Know that yeah that's the wrong mount, but it looks, looks good, but it's not the right one I, don't think it would yeah.

A

Right yeah so details there, details have to be down there, but that's pretty good. So in a 12 inch version, we've got the Xeon outside the yes, we got pretty much everything on outside. There too. We could probably put them put the Z on an inside, because we can use a short you're using an eight by eight inch platform. There right.

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But the things I freaked out for me it's very difficult to change part. You know.

C

B

New version or stationary, if you are something, doesn't become a robot.

A

Yeah Oh anything we can do about that right now. Oh.

B

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No, but that is correct. It's the right size, so we have to make sure at the end is that we can get all the eight inches of travel. What you can.

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B

But the water is speaking out this because I was able to change the height. There was no way to money believe the Brahma do.

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The manual they know why that would be.

B

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Yeah yeah, sometimes it's yeah yeah, so we want to have like really clean, clean files yeah the way we organize them. I think one of the things is towards the end. When we, when we finish the whole design or even individual parts, I mean we should have files of each of the individual parts correct like, for example, the rod there should be in a separate file somewhere, like everything, should be a zippered.

B

So we can wrap them up. Yeah.

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Isil, are these very difficult to get them like hot actual, separate part.

A

Right, we need to come up with, like, as we treat this as a construction set where we probably want to end up. Doing is due your exploded, part diagram, and then you have the links within the exploded part diagram to all the parts and all the parts you can modify because Lex, for example, the rod you can, you can take the rod and you can make it whatever length. So it's probably the workflow.

A

We want to develop for the construction set and produce an instructional of how we do that, so that anybody can modify this to their to their liking. Yeah, we have to you think you can clean up clean up all these aspects or.

C

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Yeah as long as we do it, we probably like at the end we might want to you, know clean up the whole thing and kind of like what I mentioned in the presentation about recreating the file. So everything is good and clean.

B

Back in a way that they can be multiplied them all right.

A

Right there needs to be discussion on that, like we need to create standards like I know, Emmanuel's talking about he's all excited about the assembly workbench, but then we got to make sure that, as he's working, an assembly workbench to make things parametric, everyone has to understand it.

A

So that part has to be documented, like that's, why I want to get some documentaries on a team like somebody right now should be like doing nothing but managing the CAD files and like pretty much managing the library and talking to everybody on a team making sure the files, the latest that everyone's using the correct one don't take some effort by think I mean I, think that's doable through that exploded, part diagram, and then we would need some instructions like for every single piece we want to.

A

We want an instructional to say: okay, here's how you modify the plastic pieces and every single piece like that should all be documented for for the novice, because, like it yeah I mean there's, a lot of information goes in here, there's a logic of how the things are built. So if someone doesn't know that logic they're not going to be able to manipulate the file, hardly at all, you know so yeah anyway.

A

So let's listen, why? Let's just go through the soul, Jon batiste, so yeah I'm, looking at your lock here. So this is a tell us a little more so the Tuesday 23rd is that this, the file I'm supposed to be looking at right here, yeah.

E

A

Okay, what more needs to be done I? Is there more labels or.

A

Let's see yeah I mean that looks, looks pretty good.

E

A

Yeah there's cable chains in there.

A

Let's see as far as a couple of the other other labels, where you plan on putting them those in there still.

E

And if labeled Allah, 12 suspense, especially in low card count, rebuild event left.

A

I think we got to put in a lot. That's it.

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What's the second one.

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Yeah, do you guys think that's too much, or is that you think that's interesting for people to hear.

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It'll be good, I think we gotta put in.

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And I think we gotta brag about so I didn't like a quick part count and I believe we're at forty unique parts. That's it like. There's only like three different screw types: yeah, it's really minimal. It's 40! That's what I counted so far, so we can put that in there um super low parts count only 40 and 40 unique parts in this entire thing, probably probably definitely write it down.

A

Definitely include that okay sounds good yeah. You think you can make that just a couple of those items happen for like Wednesday night yeah, awesome, yeah, I'm thinking, like maybe yeah, maybe after that, maybe after you finished with that it I don't know if we can coordinate you on some of the tasks on the actual cat, so you can actually start playing with that little more, but will be, will be the main thing.

E

A

Man, you know what we yeah I think on the universal axis itself, like on the 16 inch version. We could start by doing a hole explosion of the universal access, so basically like label it with parts and links like what I talked about in the presentation so from it.

A

You readily obtained the unique part count and then the total for count, and that then goes like after you're done with that that pretty much translates directly into your bills, materials you just you know you take number by number and you throw that into a spreadsheet that'll, be I. Think they'll be good, because the axis is the number one thing now. Let me see I'm. What do you guys think about the whole discussion about the videos or like capturing the screenshots and free caddies thing? That's possible.

E

I haven't tried it.

A

Because, for example, like I fuchsias I'm sharing my screen right now. Let me show you how like, if I go to the.

A

For example, the draft workbench I can move some parts around like, for example, I want to take apart this. Oh no, it's gonna fade on me.

A

Hopefully not draft I'm going to move move some parts I'm going to put on click on the move part I'm going. I want to do this part okay, so I'm going to double click on this and I'm going to click on, move it and then I'm moving it so say you actually take a video see but see it kind of jumps around. So it's not that great you'd have to really like move it a little bit next time, I moved it apart. Here, see I move here and then.

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Then you don't have to dump the double click.

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Select the object that week, the first week defines the direction towards with where you want to move it. Now. They.

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Movie, where you want, so, if you select object, the first click make it more. No small.

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See what backs is going to move it and then you can you find exactly where.

A

Right but you see it kind of right, but it when you do try to move it. It's not smooth right, so you have to you kind of have to okay, so say: I want to move that.

A

So where did it go and disappeared on me? Let's see if I can do this, one.

A

So I pick it up, see I'm moving it. Let's see, if you move it, it always, you know, be nice to show okay I got it there and I'm bringing it into place. Right, don't be nice, but it's you know, it's not smooth. It's not nice. Look at me know and then, when you disassemble it all you got to do is play the video in reverse and it looks like it's actually coming together.

A

So they'll be nice, but it'll be very rough as the issue, so possibly what we can do as far as the assembly videos, we can say like I, don't know this is where we really need to learn the exploded. Part animations workbench.

A

That could help a lot or take it into blender, but we don't have really those skills on a team right now do we can we make nice animations that gets into into company I'm trying to figure out something that that anybody can do so so right now you can pretty much. I don't know how to do the animations really. Well, you can do it and you might you can say: okay, you move this into.

A

You assemble that into place, but you might have to say: okay I'm moving this one in and then it comes into place into its final place. So you'd have to do that in within editing. The nice thing about this, like in a video mode, would be that you know it's.

A

It looks the cab looks pretty nice, you know, does look pretty nice I mean we can do this rough kind of moving things into place. You know that could work someone, especially if you like close up to it like say you know, I got it here, okay, so I click on it to move it.

A

Yeah, that's pretty jumpy.

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Yeah, but you can definitely.

B

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Know but like if you capture a video and you're talking about it, you can hide and unhide parts and that would work reasonably well, I. Think no good to do like cinematography CLE. It would look pretty good to hear like when you move things around me. It just looks so smooth at all. You know.

B

Yeah elderly powerpoint on they begin to shooters me off yeah.

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Yeah, that means hi.

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Paula mentions actually a fee on the actors just wrong. Yeah.

A

Yeah yeahs will be much more complicated than then we. We would like it, because if you could do like smooth motion here, then the idea of moving and then reversing the motion by playing in Reverse that could get you like this perfect assembly. You know that would be nice, but yeah, it's just too rough yeah. You can do the stop-motion kind of kind of situation, and just even even the video of where you simply screen capture instead of doing a presentation just basically. Thus the video recorded version of your steps.

A

You know where you, where you talk. We also put your voice over that. So that'll be they'll, be good, so arm, yeah, yeah I, think that's. We could definitely do the simplified version. The video we want to have that and yeah. We want to have it playing on the overhead because it's you know, you see the visual and you hear the description and it makes it really easy, but it'll take a little bit of time. But that's, but that's the point like getting really nice. Videos does take a bit of time.

A

That's why I wanted to separate it and divide it up between different people, so we have different different ways to show that yeah.

A

But hopefully this thing is so simple that it's, like the videos, become really simple, because it's yeah it's simeon by design we're pretty simple already so that we have that going for us.

A

Ok, so let's go to real quick, so sue Jean Baptiste finish this up by Wednesday and then, um if you can get around to some of the instructions according to how we discussed how I made the presentation is that make sense? John baptiste yeah.

A

Ok, we'll do that and then let's, let's go to Cedric's so set of tell us about so we were I got subject to work on the extruder, which is the proof extruder, which can do the e3d nozzle, which is a more advanced nozzle, and that's looking pretty good. But let's, let's talk about it, so look at that so tell us about it. So is this actually, how is this different.

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So you're saying that this right now would mount in our existing.

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Okay, yeah, please.

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Do that? Okay, one question, though: where are we going to mount our sensor? What's.

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Height sensor, we need that ok.

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So, just on a call.

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Ok, yeah sensor: we need a sensor on this, so we need to educate you on this. So here and also just one more question you somehow you deleted the. If you look at my screen, you put this file, but it appears that weight is the old file there.

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Yeah I'll show you what I mean network I, think there's a picture of it as network that open source ecology ever well. This is looking good, so we can basically add this just pending this minor minor correction. That's that's really good I mean that's a bunch of work that went into that. Oh, so, let's see if we can find us and yeah guys. So please, like put all your discussion comments on a network that open source, ecology, org.

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Okay, so let's see oh I, don't know, do I show it anywhere. You got to show it somewhere, it's somewhere, but it's hidden it. Oh yeah and jean-baptiste I think the sensor, the height sensor that something we might want to add as well. Okay, let me see if I can freeze this.

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Okay, yeah hold on I'll show you a picture of this.

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Now I can't really see it, but there's a sensor. The the same.

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Kind of one that he has.

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And it's in a bill of materials, so you have to look at that sensor and mounted it's the same thing that he has it senses the height of the bed from the extruder nozzle.

A

Does that make sense to you or no? No I can email you that with the specifics on that, but you need to add it, but that's pretty good! That's pretty good, though what we've got here I mean that's pretty much like after we. You know after I. Do this do some videos of this existing one I'll think of printing out this one, but a thing thing would be: where do we get those fans and everything all those parts? The big fan the smaller fan? Can you can you look into that.

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Yeah yeah: we need to source all the parts like all the little, the burying like the screws and and the every single part in there. Would you mind working on that? Maybe this week.

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What share that to the public yeah.

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Share it with the public, because it has vert, don't worry about anyone, anyone hacking, it share it with the public. Please mmhmm, yeah.

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Excellent excellent, so why don't you continue working on that? That's excellent! Let's see so I'm jean-baptiste sounds like you got plenty to do. Jose in the manual I think you guys are pretty good right or what else do you need? Oh.

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Yeah, that's the heat sensor.

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Yeah well I think we I don't see really where that is because I think he removed it. So, but that's ok! It's ok, we'll add it back in. This is great. This is a good teamwork people, so we can do this and then we can be.

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Yeah parts. Give me some parts so I want to build this. This is really good. Yeah.

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How to do what.

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No, no I would eat them.

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And these are renders from where, from free cat or from blender.

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Dandeli yeah.

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Cow look at this guy I. Never did that pretty good! You should um well I'll have to write an instruction on how to do that. We got it. We're recruiting some documenter people we're trying to build a team. We got another guy heart who's, a recruiting with us, so yeah we got to build, keep building the team right now.

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We really have only a few people, but as soon as we build a team, I will go keep going at it yeah, but this is yeah I'm really glad yeah, yeah yeah, okay, also keep going with with this, and then, if you could get us a complete bill of materials on it, we can build it yeah because I'd like to build it like not this week, but maybe like next week.

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Yeah they'll be awesome because yeah I'm getting pretty serious about the as far as printing out things like the poly carbonate, glazing and a fence post I want to do that. I want to start doing that and we need a big extruder to do the fence posts and things like that. So, okay, what else we got cuz I got to get going here. Do you guys feel like you got enough to go on what other question is outstanding?.

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Okay, you're good Jose you've got stuff to do.

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Jean-Baptiste you've got the infographic, and then you got start on instructional for the axis see I tried it try to do that. According to what we talked about today, looks like Cedric, Cedric, you're, pretty good to go, continue on instructional and get the bill of materials and then she'll a. How are you doing you got all you need or we need to follow up.

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I still I'll just try to focus, peaking everything yeah.

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Do you have everything you need to continue on them on the prototype and in Germany or you can? Why don't you email me with some specific questions, because I got to get going right now, I'm supposed to be taught talk to somebody else right now, but you know maybe email me see if you got specific questions on where you're at and what you need to do. Next it'll be good yeah.

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Okay, at a problem: alright, that sounds good anything else before we close off the meeting or.

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Mm-Hmm go ahead. Cedric, yes,.

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I, you don't belittle me: okay,.

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Yeah Yeah right, so so, if you're looking a lot and uh can you see the the chat? Because that's that's actually what he's talking about that? That's what we can on yeah! That's what we need to include: okay, yeah! It's well! No! No! No! That's not that it's simpler! Sorry, okay! I'll email! You know! That's not the right thing! We all want that! Oh that's too, complicated, yeah I'll! Send you the link to the simple one that just look at the wait is that from the bill materials.

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Okay, yes, okay, look at this! This is what we want. Let me click on this link here. That's that's the kind of thing we want that I got from the bill of materials. We can use one of those we probably won't. We don't want a two millimeter yeah. This is for height sensing.

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It is the Center for the update, correct.

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We want the one, that's four millimeters, not the two-millimeter, because they have different distances and we want the one that says four millimeters on it. If they have one because to two millimeters is going to be a little too short. So we need to go to four millimeter.

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Okay, yeah so include that in a design and- and that's that's about it- okay!

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Well, that's great, because I look forward to building that. That's I'm, glad that looks like you have right. There will mount exactly to our same universal mount, which is awesome. That's really good, total interchangeability mm-hmm. So what I'm going to do is I'm, going to finish, like the cable chains, I'm going to take a video I got to do the video, probably tomorrow tomorrow or wednesday, but basically I'm aiming to be publishing all day.

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Wednesday just give an ounce minh up and get it out the door cuz I'm going to get this thing going, mm-hmm all right, okay, anything else from anyone before we. We take a call it a day.

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Okay, that sounds like everybody's good. Thank you very much everybody and we'll continue. If you haven't filled out your log, please do so right after this meeting as far as the time log, so we can keep track of the hours will continue. Building the team and I'll stop the recording to your drinks. A lot guys.